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HAHAHAHAHA NICE 3D HOLOENFAGS

>> No.9677717

soul

>> No.9677855

I don't care about HoloEN these days but that's pretty cute

>> No.9677884

>>9677081
Good we don’t need that cancerous idol shit

>> No.9677918

soul

>> No.9677926

>>9677081
thanks man

>> No.9677946

>>9677717
fpbp

>> No.9677957

SOVL

>> No.9677997

>>9677081
They can't get 3D until Japan opens their borders retard.
Holo ID's Gen 1's 3D has been done for month and Japan won't let them in.

>> No.9678002

>>9677081
How long are they going to milk that shit

>> No.9678050

>>9677081
implying the JP branch wouldn't want their own smol 3D.

>> No.9678065

Respect to the girls at least, that did all of this by themselves, holo can get fucked

>> No.9678079

i hate how their lips just double in size instead of splitting when they talk

>> No.9678102

>OP hates fun.

>> No.9678142

>>9677081
Not even joking the funnest shit I've seen in a while
amazing stuff

>> No.9678305

>>9677081
This is honestly better than your standard generic 3D. This is actually pretty funny.

>> No.9678391

>>9678065
What even Cover doing for EN?

>> No.9678429

>>9678065
still a cringe idea

>> No.9678462

>>9677081
soul

>> No.9678468

>>9678391
Taking their cut of the profits

>> No.9678517

>>9677081
They had to make it by themselves in their house, and not comisioning a regular 3D model because Cover copyright, they did the best they could have done

>> No.9678544

>>9677081
God, HoloEN is such a fucking meme.

>> No.9678639

>>9678391
Omega

>> No.9678647

>>9677717
fpbp

>> No.9678651

>>9677081
Hahahahahahaha holobronies and holotrannies neck yourself

>> No.9678671

>>9677717
I kneel

>> No.9678706

>>9678429
Vtubers werealways cringe. Either you enjoy it anyway or you should go hang out on /tv/ instead.

>> No.9678712

I respect the effort but I never liked smol ame stuff

>> No.9678808

calli is based

>> No.9678836

UUUOOOOOHHHHHHH GURA'S LIGHTSABER DICK

>> No.9678876
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9678876

She's dead

>> No.9678891

I'll bet 100$ that all that VR eq was bought by girls themselves. And models are fanmade.

>> No.9678919

>>9677081
this but unironically

>> No.9678988

>>9677717
I fucking KNEEL

>> No.9679086

>>9678808
If by based you mean, "needs to graduate fucking soon because of how utterly unwatchable she is and because of the disdain she has for finding any joy in streaming and always shitting up collabs," then yes. You're right.

>> No.9679092

>>9677081
Thanks!

>> No.9679105

>>9678391
u fucking retarded? they'd be 20k sub indies without covers name

>> No.9679115

>>9678429
You're watching girls stream through avatars play video games, you fucking idiot.

>> No.9679129

Blame Yagoo.

>> No.9679156

>>9678050
I can imagine Miko or Nene wanting the Walfies.

>> No.9679185

>>9678891
And you would be right, I'm 100% sure the girls did all of this by themselves, and that's with Ame completely sick too. Fuck Cover, and fuck Yagoo

>> No.9679193

>Running to a split to cope
Sad!

>> No.9679237

>>9677081
I know, right?
It's better than any JP ever did by herself.

>> No.9679307

>>9679092
Aside of brand.

>> No.9679359

I don't get why people are mad, it looks like a cute idea in the meantime while they wait for the situation to get better so they can do a proper 3D debut. It's not in PLACE of a 3D debut. Then again I don't watch Hololive much so there is probably some random drama going on that has anons assblasted enough to make several threads on this

>> No.9679372

>Have to resort to Walfie bootlegs for a 3D
What the fuck is Cover even doing?
Are they even doing anything?
They should just cut Cover off at this point

>> No.9679654

>>9677081
They really dunked on Cover like this, unfathomably based

>> No.9679697

There's something endearing about this that they wouldn't be able to replicate with action 3D rigging.

>> No.9679716

>>9679372
What do you suggest they do? Smuggle them into Japan on a cargo ship?

>> No.9679746

>>9677717
all of holomyth is SOUL

>> No.9679809

Ain't it fucking great? I'm having a blast

>> No.9679810

HoloEN is reminding me why I used to spend all day watching them last year.

>> No.9679851

>>9677717
SOVL

>> No.9679866

>>9679086
>seethe

>> No.9679900

>>9679746
no they arent, chicken isnt and neither is cali

>> No.9679909

>>9679716
Not him but, maybe rent studio un USA?
They will have more and more EN members

>> No.9679962

It is a great idea since they can't all go to the studio. The smol avatars have a charm to them.

>> No.9679966

>>9679716
Give them 3D models at least?

>> No.9679980
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9679980

>>9677081
>Ina is the only normal one in public

>> No.9680105

>literally doing all the job themselves
I kneel, EN whores

>> No.9680128

>>9679866
No argument? Glad you agree with me!

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9680151

smol en's pretty great

>> No.9680161

>>9679909
3 of them are not located in the US and the other 2 are on opposite sides of the country.
Travel restrictions are still in place in some places.

>> No.9680225

>>9679185
Does she have the coof?

>> No.9680319

>>9680161
Still best place.
Mori was flying from JP to USA and back latley.

>> No.9680367

>>9679909
US where?
Maybe 2 of them live close enough for that to even be reasonable.

>> No.9680398

>>9677997
honestly gura and calli could probably make their personal mocap studio with how much money they make

>> No.9680434

>>9680225
We don't know exactly, but sounds like it.

>> No.9680462 [DELETED] 

>>9677081
Thank you

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>>9677717

>> No.9680608

>>9680319
It takes less time to schedule a visit with your parents then setting up an entire studio for 3D for 5 people from all over the world.

Who would have thought?

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>>9680128
>No argument? Glad you agree with me!

>> No.9680728

This the comfy thread?
Ina's room is so different from Mori's.

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9680845

UOHHHHHH SEEEEXXX

>> No.9680941

>>9679086
i think he tried to say she is cool

>> No.9680988
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9680988

>>9677717
FPBP /thread

I KNEEL

>> No.9680995

>>9680845
STOP TAKESHI, YOU WILL DIE

>> No.9681098

>>9677717
fpbp

>> No.9681174

>>9677717
fpbp

>> No.9681273

>>9680128
it's 4chan, who the fuck uses arguments

>> No.9681734

>*MY* single that *I* released on *MY* birthday
Why is kiara like this

>> No.9681962

>>9677717
fpbp

>> No.9681987

>>9681734
Because it's her single that she released on her birthday

>> No.9682074

Unironically good

>> No.9682128
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>>9681734
NO YOU CAN'T USE SUBJECT PRONOUNS

>> No.9682863

>>9681734
She's obsessed with pronouns, it was to be expected

>> No.9682929
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9682929

>>9677717
lol the cope. If NijiEN did this you'd be calling them failures abandoned by their company

>> No.9683120

>>9682929
They are abandoned by the company, but this is still kino

>> No.9683488

https://twitter.com/blade4649/status/1437221846504534019?s=21
UOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

>> No.9683864 [DELETED] 

>>9679105
When Gura joined, her previous life already had a million subs. She was already bigger than any hololiver at the time, and when she joined she dunked on them again just for good measure. In fact, all the girls had some sort of claim to fame before they joined HoloMyth.

Cali was a professional musician
Ame was a twitch streamer
Ina was a well-known artist
Kiara was a victim of rape

So learn your shit before you talk.

>> No.9683925
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9683925

Ame has cemented herself as SSS tier for spearheading all of this.

I don't say this often, but based. Fuckin based, man.

>> No.9684154

>>9683925
she's a professional and the top of EN's skill ranking. Of course she's based.

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9684322

>>9680995
I WILL BECOME SEX UAAAGGGHHHHHHH

>> No.9684516

>>9681734
She's ESL.. pls understand..

>> No.9684535

>>9677717
fpbp

>> No.9684542
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9684542

>>9677717

>> No.9684570

>>9683864
Gura: You're right on Gura
Calli: Literal who musician
Ame: Whoring herself out on twitch, showing her pits and saying that she's going to get kicked out because she can't pay rent
Ina: You're right
Kiara: KEK
If they didn't have cover's name only Gura would be relatively successful, and Ina would be pulling the average 50-100 indie numbers.

>> No.9684706

>>9683925
Absolutely based indeed

>> No.9684899

>>9683864
>He believed the Kiara rape rrat
NGMI KEK

>> No.9685034

>>9680398
If even coco the superchat queen says that the equipment is too expensive for her, then i doubt that most of them can afford it.

>> No.9685052

>>9679359
It's just schizos shitposting

>> No.9685076

>>9677717
First post best post, also what op doesn't have.

>> No.9685265

>>9677081
When will the rest of Hololive get their SMOL 3D?

>> No.9685378 [DELETED] 

>>9682929
Seethe
>(You)r oshi will never be this kino

>> No.9685499

>>9677717
</thread>

>> No.9686301

how are holo tribals coping with the fact walfie made Pomu all her emotes?

>> No.9686526

A whole year and they can still barely make small talk.

>> No.9686547

>>9686301
You are acting as if 90% of NijiEN fans aren't HoloEOP pitty subs

>> No.9686618

Council will never gonna have the SOUL that myth has.
What the fuck was cover thinking

>> No.9686738

>>9686618
Give them a year.

>> No.9686739

>>9677717
based.

>> No.9686754

>>9682929
>Watching something you hate

RENT FREE.

>> No.9686969

>>9677081
>fight me gura
>alright
mori and gura deserve eaCh other. lovable DORKS.

>> No.9687200

>>9677717
This

>> No.9687216

>>9683864
>When Gura joined, her previous life already had a million subs
I love how people are still parroting this

>> No.9687288
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9687288

>>9686301
I enjoy both HoloEN and NijiEN

>> No.9687387

Ame...I FUCKING KNEEL

>> No.9687430

Why are the chibis more sexable than the normal models?

>> No.9687480

ame, teamates, i kneel.

>> No.9687560

>>9677717
fippybippy

>> No.9687648

>>9687430
CUTE AND SMOL, that's why

>> No.9687680

>>9677081
Hey, thanks!

>> No.9687687

>>9686301
Walfie can do whatever he wants
Hell I hope he makes some art for the NijiIDs too

>> No.9687752
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9687752

COVER HATE

>> No.9687889

>>9686526
You know how hard it is to try not speaking over 4 other people in a voice call?

>> No.9687914

>>9686301
Tribalism is a mental illness. I've liked Walfie's art longer than Kizuna Ai's been VTubing

>> No.9687932

COVER HATE TOO
I kneel to Ame this shit is just too good

>> No.9688051

This is too fucking cute.

>> No.9688088

>>9677717
fpbp

>> No.9688963

>>9687216
Because it's an objective fact.

>> No.9689050

THIS IS SO FUCKING CRINGE

>> No.9689257

>>9688963
Explain how Gura reached 1m before senzawa without contradicting your fact

>> No.9689296

>>9682929
>abandoned by their company
Soul in it's purest configuration

>> No.9689438

>>9682929
Instead, they did a garysmod collab that was so shamefully bad it got ripped down.

>> No.9689452

>>9689257
I think people are saying that senzawa got the 1 million, since that was her roommate's previous role.

>> No.9689454

>>9689050
Wrong it's cute

>> No.9689463

we're seeing levels of scuff that shouldn't even be possible.

>> No.9689472

>>9689050
I want to kill myself.

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9689474

>prerecorded
>still fails at pretending to sing it

>> No.9689483
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9689483

This shit is fucking amazing.

>> No.9689489

>ITS LOOPING
OH NONONO

>> No.9689501

>>9682929
>if
they did worse

>> No.9689512

KIARA IS DYING

>> No.9689517

>>9689050
Cringekino

>> No.9689545

>This whole thread

Welp, its official

We Reddit now

>> No.9689594

>>9677717
fpbp

>> No.9689663
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9689663

>it's over

>> No.9689675

>>9677717
holy fuck

>> No.9689827

>>9679909
>Cali lives in japan
>Kiara in Europe
>Ina in Canada
>Ame in California, USA
>Gura in Texas, USA

making a studio in USA is fucking useless, only game and gura would be able to use it, and one would have to travel to get there
You could argue that Cali could just use the JP studio, but that would still leave Ina and Kiara without 3D models

>> No.9689825

>>9677081
Thanks, its the best thing in the world, im so happy about it that I'll even give you a (You) tribalfagchama!!

>> No.9689900

i hope the council is watching myth nosell all the scuff and just keep being dorks.

>> No.9689923

>>9680105
If you take your pills and put down your rrats for ONE second, you would realize that EN has only had a positive effect on Hololive overall. They increased the growth of every member, they have brought a lot more self sufficiency to ALL the members. How many more originals and other stuff has come out recently? If you don't think Calli, Kiara, and Gura going around cover to commission everything directly ISN'T related to this change you're fooling yourself.

The japanese idol industry constantly keep their talent running in circles "just wait, we'll get you a song, just wait we'll get you voice training". There's a lot less of an indie scene in every form of entertainment. Look at hololive itself, taking something like streaming and corporatizing it. They have injected a "do it yourself" mentality into hololive and it's helping ALL the members better realize their potentials. Watame and Suisei in particular are going FULL STEAM now. It's a benefit for all.

>> No.9689984

>>9689474
Go shit up your own imageboard monkey

>> No.9690191
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>>9689452
"when Gura joined, Senzawa had a million subs"
vs
"Senzawa didn't even reach 1m before Gura"
See how >>9688963
can shove his "objective facts" up his tranny arse?

>> No.9690445

>>9683864
but they're all literally who streamers.
Seriously none of them can even break 5k on any of their stream so yes, they're nothing without Cover

>> No.9690488

>>9677717
fpbp

>> No.9691046

Why I can't hold all this SOUL

>> No.9691061
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>>9690191
"990k ISN'T 1MIL"

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>>9677717
/thread

>> No.9691231

>>9677717
Checked

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>>9691061
"'Before joining' is the same as 'when Gura reached 1m'"

>> No.9691530

>>9691231
You dyslexic motherfucker.

>> No.9691582

>>9691061
Yes. That is an objective fact. 990,000 is in fact less than 1,000,000.

>> No.9691616

>>9683864
Kiara had been "famous" enough on niconico to have an article written about her, and enough clout to have become an idol with three CD releases on a record label. She was like a G tier "ce-web-rtity" but she wasn't a no one. the on camera molestation was pretty fucked tho.

>> No.9691679

>>9691582
Proof?

>> No.9691684

>>9684899
>literally recorded

>> No.9691751

>>9691582
you should look into autism management tips. it's less than a 1% difference.

>> No.9691791

>>9687288
Based chuuba connoisseur

>> No.9691876

Holobros… we lost…

>> No.9692107
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9692107

>>9677717
fpbp

>> No.9692119

>>9691751
refer to >>9691466
If you think the difference at the time of joining was insignificant you might as well congratulate Ame on 1.5m right now

>> No.9692186

>>9691466
can you read a graph? it's almost a completely straight line on senzawa, growth on the channel is dead, it's barely creeped up. notice how i said 990 and NOT 993 shown?

>> No.9692278

scuffed yet soul

>> No.9692311

>>9677081
Walfie has done more for holoen than Omega.

>> No.9692321

>>9677081
thanks for the feedback lol

>> No.9692461

>>9681734
To be fair, Sparks got upstaged hardcore by IRyS reveal. She literally couldn't even finish her birthday stream before the HoloEN channel put up a fucking countdown timer with a heavily implied new vchuuba.
She's still a pushy bitch, but for that one specifically it's justified for her to feel the need to push it a bit.

>> No.9692651

>>9692461
I hate Kiara with a burning passion, but I watched sparks nearly 2000 times because I felt so bad for her and to get back at cover.

>> No.9692667

>>9692311
This, Walfie should have been that secret character kek

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>>9692119
are you guys idiots? it's a MARGINAL difference at best, fuck you're insufferable

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>>9692186
>990k is 1m
>an "almost completely straight line" is a straight line
>growth is dead yet the channel did hit 1m, later on

>> No.9692910

>>9677081
Still orange woman bad

>> No.9693288

>>9692843
Are you seriously arguing over a <1% just so you can say it wasn't technically 1 million so it doesn't count?

>> No.9693563

>>9692697
>Marginal
I'm glad you think math is a suggestion. I'm glad you also admit to being a "But she's only fifteen" nigger.

>> No.9693571

>>9692843
"let me put a lot of things that werent said in a post and make pretend they were said, that proves im right"

the point isnt that she had LITERALLY AND EXACTLY 1mil+. She was so INFINITESIMALLY close to is as to not matter for the fact is she had a HUGE audience. You're literally arguing that 900k+ audience is closer to 100k than 1mil.

>> No.9693724

>>9693563
no i think the difference between 990k people is less important than the fact that it wasnt 5k, 10k, or even 100k. you brainlet

>> No.9693903

>>9677081
This is nice. It's too bad they've been pretty successful but haven't been able to get the perks that their asian counterparts can. Cover had to approve it, so they get some credit for it too. Don't watch much anymore but it's nice they were able to do something that people seemed to enjoy. The Niji EN girls are likely to be in the same position with not being able to get into japan, so I hope they can manage some creative alternative as well.

>> No.9693959

>>9685034
What about Projekt Melody though, doesn't she do basically nothing but 3D mocap for her chaturbate streams. Sure the high end mocap system is bonkers but there are also simpler methods that are way cheaper and still decent looking. Or is Melody just super rich?

>> No.9693970

>>9677717
fpbp

>> No.9694026

>>9685034
YFU baby and Project Melody can do this shit on the daily and with higher quality than HoloEN could hope for. It's not that it's too expensive, all it requires is a mocap suit and not even a huge industry one with the dots, just something like a Rokoko, Perception Neuron, or an Xsens suit. The only real issue comes from the space needed, you can't really use this stuff reliably in a small area so they'd need something like a large living room or small dance studio. You can still pull it off in a bedroom you'd just have limited range of movement, Code Miko and many VRchat players do these kinds of things fairly often.

>> No.9694054

>>9677717
this

>> No.9694057

>EN does something shit
>s-soul!
cope

>> No.9694161

>>9677717
fpbp

>> No.9694182

>>9693959
Melody's suit, to my knowledge, probably cost about 10k but you'd also need a technician to manage things like an environment and camera work (which is done by someone else for YFU and originally Melody as well I think Mel does her own stuff now though, but I don't watch her). That's why Code Miko is a bit superior in that technical aspect because she's able to do both.

>> No.9694220

>>9685034
she only reiterated what Cover told her, and PSSST, HERE'S A SECRET:
they lied.

>> No.9694257

>>9693724
It was 50k actually. A number that a good amount of JPs have held celebration streams for in the past
>>9693571
And the entire not 1m audience followed her to Gura, like they watched her twitch streams, right? Do you know her average twitch viewcount?

>> No.9694267

>>9677081
Thanks

>> No.9694356

>>9692697
>marginal
it was lower than 990k when she joined you retard

>> No.9694359

>>9694057
Meds

>> No.9694474

>>9694057
Shit only for you it seems, keep seething schizo

>> No.9694496

>>9693959
Maybe it has something to do with wanting everyone to have the same type and quality of 3D model. Otherwise it would depend on who had the money to shell out for their own, and would end up making the others look really shabby in comparison if they could afford really good ones. I can only imagine the drama that would cause.

>> No.9694502

>>9694257
twitch is not where vtubers find success, it's an incredibly unpopular platform with anime fans and japanese people.

>> No.9694633

>>9694057
The absolute state of Holo fans

>> No.9694762

>>9694057
>EN does anything
>COPE. FAILURE. GUH-RADUATION WHEN?!

>> No.9694787

>>9693724
That's some painful fucking OCD you got there, buddy. Meds.

>> No.9694832

>>9677717
BASED

>> No.9694863

>>9694502
>he says as vshojo dabs on holden

>> No.9694867

>>9694220
There's no way she didn't look into it herself independently. Coco trusted management about as much as management trusted her: They didn't.
My personal rrat is that management wanted to keep Coco on a really tight leash after she basically single-handedly caused an entire branch to get dissolved even if most of them deserved it for shit-stirring. Coco isn't the type of person that likes being on a leash, even if it doesn't really do anything to her. It wasn't "creative differences" or her having some "big master plan", it was literally "these old fogeys are CONSTANTLY leaning on me to do very specific things and get in line, and while I don't mind being in line I won't be forced there".
She could've handled it better, or given management more pushback, but her just leaving was probably the least messy outcome.

>> No.9694879

>>9694496
this does not explain why they can't have their own equipment. so no. they just like to have an iron grip on their talent. many of them had done VR before with the official MMD models, before takedowns. as hololive grew they wanted more control over what their talents can do and show on stream, how many panty shots do you think a completely unfettered marine would do without staff to stop her? i bet you they pay for using the studio as well, gotta keep milking them bucks. we know for a FACT they pay to make their covers and original songs. cover isn't their friend, it's a corporation.

>> No.9694890

>>9694502
>twitch is not where vtubers find success

For english Indies it absolutely is. The biggest ENindies on Youtube probably have 500 viewers at most, and many of them are migrating to Twitch because they know it's the better platform for indie vtubers. There's times where VShojo girls pull better numbers than some of the mid-sized Hololivers, except without all the constraints. I know there's a huge difference in fan culture between youtube and Twitch but you can't even argue that as far as indies go, Twitch is the better bet.

>> No.9694975

>>9694863
>caring about the opinions of harlots
Rumao

>> No.9694983

>>9677717
fpbp

>> No.9695048

>>9677717
FpBp

>> No.9695050

>>9694975
>claims twitch doesn't work for vtubers
>ignores all the massively successful vtubers on twitch

>> No.9695150

>>9694879
They can have their own equipment, it's just that none of them have the tech knowledge to pull it off. What Amelia did today was great and I don't mean to downplay her effort, but a world and setup like that is child's play that anyone with a free afternoon or two could pull off. To mantain and setup the kind of hardware and software and environments necessary to do this kind of thing would require way more employees.

>> No.9695193

>>9685034
With import taxes I think a full Index setup costs well over 1 million Yen.

>> No.9695230

>>9694867
she's literally setting it all up now on her own, my rrat is that she spoke with ame, who actually spent a lot of time setting up her own shit as an indie, including full body cap stuff. now that she's indie she said shes gonna have full 3d this year

>> No.9695253

>>9677717
eff pee bee pee

>> No.9695355

>>9695050
VShojo is being carried by Melody/Nyanners name recognition. That's not to say that there's not good talent in there (I don't know, I don't watch any of them anymore), but those two are the only easily recognizeable names, and they carry a lot of the "brand". Much like how just being tied to the Hololive label can automatically get you a huge surge of subs, being tangentially associated with one of the more well-known porn girls and a longtime "reformed" shitposter from le epic 4chan is worth something.

>> No.9695365

>>9695150
People massively overestimate how much this takes to get working. And at worst you fly 2 techies over for a week to get everything set up with everyone and fly them back.

>> No.9695500

>>9695355
Vei also started from scratch and was on of the OG envtubers. But the thing is vei like mouse basically earned their entire following from scratch on twitch, clearly its successful

Also girls like Haruka and Snuffy are also doing extremely well as well as that French alien chick. All regularly get 1k+ viewers which is extremely well for a streamer.

>> No.9695508

>>9695150
>>9694879
Also, constantly commissioning 3rd party contractors can run into legal issues like with a certain manga artist for HoloAlt and with the modeler for Melody.
Cover has had trouble finding a way to employ someone full time to model 3d assets. And their iphone app simply cannot do full body 3D. They're not big enough to make their own hardware nor can they collaborate with Valve or HTC to figure out another solution for their propriety methods.

>> No.9695524

>>9695230
She is already 3D(P)

>> No.9695598

>>9695365
No, you're underestimating it. It's not JUST setting it up it's maintaining it. YFU Baby has someone helping her at all times, and in the beginning Melody did and I assume still does. The only reason Code Miko can do it all on her own is because she already was in this field and is both talent AND technician. I'm not trying to defend Cover, I just think people don't realize what it takes to maintain these projects.

>> No.9695615

>>9695508
Nijisanji can do it.

>> No.9695618

>>9677081
Thanks.

>> No.9695711

>>9695598
It doesn't need to be perfect though. Nijisanji has people who use 3D streams all the time at home. Some of them actually do some pretty advanced or unique things (Alice does a lot of weird stuff with hers) and girls like ange are super expressive with it.
These are all done with minimal hardware outside their studio 3D. There's no reason holo can't do the same.

>> No.9695875

>>9690191
Lmao you should work as a cnn fact checker

>> No.9695878

>>9695500
>1k live viewers
>need 12k just to break into the top100 on twitch
Not the same as youtube where niji breaks 1-5k on average (with certain exceptions like Kazuha) or hololive which has 3k-15k on average (with exceptions like anya or gura)

>> No.9695975

>>9695615
And it shows really well in the handful of livers that do it. 2/3 of them don't even get that opportunity.

>> No.9696086

>>9695711
Do you have any links? I'd imagine any Japanese person doing home-tracking is probably using what Ame and the girls were. I don't pay much attention to Niji so it wasn't something I was aware of

>> No.9696166

>>9695508
their app cannot do full body 3D. it does face capture. no hands, arms, or feet. literally every single one of them would be using that if it was possible. also there's no "issues" with the models. you're literally making up shit to protect a corporation. they HAVE 3D models already, the question is "can they use full 3D body rigs at home?" the answer is yes, it's not that hard. so why aren't they? they arent allowed to. I mean FUCK their 3D models are given out FOR FREE for anyone to use on their own site through MMD. the FUCK are you even TALKING ABOUT

>> No.9696203

>>9695500
I have had people pay me 400 bucks to travel down and troubleshoot their system only to find out they didn't plug in the power cable properly.
I don't blame companies for not trusting their talent to maintain unfamiliar equipment

>> No.9696208

>>9695878
>b-but big numbers
Kill yourself.
Holo numbers are abnormal for streamers. A consistent 1k is amazing for a random indie that isn't a pro esports gamer or has been in the streaming business for years.

You don't need to be the #1 to be doing amazing. And the vast majority of companies in Japan and the English sphere could only dream of 1k consistent viewers. Even my favorite Japanese indie who still regularly collabs with holo barely gets 3-500 views on her solo streams.

>> No.9696285

>>9696203
meant for
>>9695365

>> No.9696318

>>9696166
>it does face capture. no hands, arms, or feet. literally every single one of them would be using that if it was possible

Don't a few do? I swear I've seen Miko do it quite a bit.

>> No.9696402

>>9696086
Ange Katrina regularly zatsudans using a home 3d tracker with some level of hand tracking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bPSjv83fbM

>> No.9696592

>>9696318
she was given permission to use something that had hand tracking like one time like a month ago. it's been never used again and none of the others have used it, im pretty sure they realized they couldnt charge them as much for studio time and 86'd that shit right away

>> No.9696705

>>9696086
On my phone so too lazy right now.
Half of ange clips are her 3d model though, its mostly just hand tracking and it's basically just VRChat level, but its fun and expressive and you can do a lot more with reactions when you include hand movements.

A lot of them like mito and Alice will just put their 3d models in different angles to add to little skits in context for their stream (such as putting it behind a truck wheel or pachinko)
It's not a big deal, but it adds a little extra creativity and fun to a stream and requires nothing more than basic setups.
They're not doing kpop dances but that would also be easy enough to do with vrchat level trackers for the most part.

>> No.9696827

>>9696402
Doesn't Ange have like $800 tracking gloves, though?

>> No.9696941

>>9696592
I can tell you that the hand-tracking stuff can be a pain in the ass and pretty intensive and not always comfortable to wear or use, and prone to issues. I'm not trying to say Cover is a great company for them, but as an indie I can tell you that a lot of these solutions for using 3D models come with a lot of stress and jank, it's why so many popular Indie vtubers that were 3D are switching to 2D. 2D is the most reliable thing thing there is and requires next to no technical knowledge or stress to use.

I've experimented with multiple forms of 3D tracking as a hobbyist. VR gear, dev kits for the latest Kinect (which is actually really good for some reason), camera based tech (the worst), iphone face tracking, along with a lot of different software solutions. It's just not reliable enough right now to just plug and play.

>> No.9697000

>>9696827
If they can drop $2000 on a shitty cover of king, they can buy a tracking glove.

Also why isn't ange jerking me off with that glove

>> No.9697147

>>9677081
Thank you bro, it was one of the best Hololive streams ever.

>> No.9697247

>>9696705
>>9696827
I just looked, it seems like it's the Leap Motion. VR finger tracking gloves would be way more accurate. I'm guessing her setup uses a webcam and this Leap Motion thing.

I don't really know what to say here besides what I already said. 3D things are a pain in the ass to do and I like doing them, so I can't imagine how troubling it is when you're juggling content creation and all the other responsibilities that come with being a part of a large VTuber company.

>> No.9697374

>>9694257
>And the entire not 1m audience followed her to Gura, like they watched her twitch streams, right? Do you know her average twitch viewcount?

this is where many who have a YT audience fuck up you're not supposed to start on twitch when you have an established account/audience. unless you're doing completely different content/content delivery for some reason and want a different audience or have half a brain(look at nyanners ignoring hypocrisy). If she had done a "vtuber debut" or something on her YT after months of inactivity she would have gotten plenty of views.

then again she's dumber than a sack of rocks and would probably never make it on her own so whatever.

>> No.9697679

>>9697374
>she's dumber than a sack of rocks and would probably never make it on her own so whatever
So like all holos then?

>> No.9697730

>>9677081
Thanks, I agree :).

>> No.9697843

>>9697247
It's not leap motion is it? This slideshow shows that they tried both leap motion and WindowsMR, but somehow went with Oculus instead since leap motion would constantly crash the model and WindowsMR was too hard for the members to use.

https://twitter.com/kure_kure_zo/status/1071624971858792448
https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000057.000030865.html

It seems they just either hold the oculus controller or have the arms be weird, and then with the 2019 update they no longer had to do that either.

>> No.9698240

>>9697843
I can't read moonrunes but I do know the Oculus controllers need to be held in their hand and it makes gameplay impossible, but I see a video of Ange playing games just fine. I've used the Oculus and Index controllers, and while they both have good finger tracking, doing anything else while wearing them isn't really possible as far as gaming goes.

Go grab a hairbrush or something and put that on the bottom half of your palm and try to do any actual gaming. It's viable for chatting streams but not really games.

>> No.9698347

>>9677717
Came here to say exactly this

>> No.9698539

>>9677081
It was great! Scuff and all. Go back to /jp/ or your shit nijinigger thread

>> No.9698758

>>9677717
fpbp

>> No.9698879

KEK this thread. 2views and Nijis are actually seething

>> No.9698908

>>9689827
Wrong location for Gura but your point still stands

>> No.9699007

>>9698240
I have no idea how it works either, but the 2019 update in the prtimes link basically says they no longer have to hold the oculus controller.

>・配信中にコントローラを置いた状態を選択可能に。長時間配信においてコントローラを持ち続けるのは労力を要し、キャラクターの手を自然な位置に配置するためにはコントローラを適切な位置に置く必要がありましたが、センサーの認識範囲の関係で困難な場合がありました。今回のアップデートではセンサーから1秒以上外れた場合に自然な位置に手が自動的に来るよう改善を行い、キャラの自然さを保つために長時間コントローラを持ち続ける必要が無くなり、ゲーム配信など手を使用する配信にも対応出来るようになりました。なお、「自然な位置に手が自動的に来る」際の位置は2パターン用意しており、コントローラの向きによって選べるなどの工夫がされております。

Added an option for having set the controller somewhere while streaming. Playing games for long hours while holding the controller is difficult to do and in order to have the hands still feel natural you needed to set the controller down in a specific spot, but the sensor range would sometimes cause things to mess up. With this update, if the hand and the sensor are apart by more than 1 second, it will automatically move the hand naturally into an appropriate location. So now you no longer have to hold the controller to get natural hand movement and it's possible to react during streams with your hands. There's 2 different patterns you can select for "automatically moving the hands into an appropriate location".

>> No.9699070

>>9694057
based

>> No.9699224

>>9677717
fpbp

>> No.9699495

>>9677717
based

>> No.9699564

>>9699007
wow, reading this it's crazy how this is basically what the indie 3D vtubers are using, except theirs are free and made by community members. I guess in the end all it is is a Unity environment with IK, tracking, and lighting.

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>>9694633

>> No.9701048

>>9677717
fpbp

>> No.9701296

>>9701008
At least the map should have China not included.

>> No.9701397

>>9677717
"soul" is just cope for "shit"

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>> No.9704634

Nice stream for Myth

>> No.9704788

>>9677717
keyed

>> No.9704875

>>9701397
Cope

>> No.9704969

>>9689545
>now

>> No.9705069

>>9677717
fpbp

>> No.9705084

>>9677717
Dangerously keyed

>> No.9705337

>>9677717
B A S E D
A
S
E
D

>> No.9707808

>>9677717
Holy fucking basedola

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Is this what ratioing looks like?

>> No.9708211

The way Cover treats HoloEN is straight up indefensible.
Several of their top money makers and bridge to the west simply neglected with next to no merch and not even an official 3D debut after a whole year.
The fact they organized this event all by themselves shows how creative and commited they are.
And yet, all EN management does is intensive power tripping and self-whorship on Twitter while actively sabotaging their talents.
Hopefully 11 talents will be enough to put some pressure on Cover in the future to get rid of these leeches that are EN management.

>> No.9709954

>>9677717
This

>> No.9709957

>>9677081
>>9677717

This better be a joke. i hated these shitty stickmen models the first day i laid eyes on them. If those are their actual models holo en is creatively bankrupt.

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9710029

>>9677081
suck it

>> No.9710095

>>9709957
Retard

>> No.9710146

>>9710029
I just noticed Moris model doing a flip in the background

>> No.9710194

>>9709957
>No support from cover and just use their individual source its still good and at least memorable

>> No.9710207

>>9677081
That's pretty great, actually.

>> No.9710263

>>9677717
super based dope lit.

>> No.9710264

>>9708211
True
>Got triggered when Omega twitted that she helped in the making of it and being supportive LMAO

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>>9677717

>> No.9710917

>>9682929
We'd be ignoring them actually, because we're too busy watching Hololive

>> No.9710923

>>9677081
Walfie did a great fucking job, enjoy your NijiFag EN OP

>> No.9710967

>>9708211
you got 2 alt outfits. What else do you want?
3D is only possible after Covid. ID1 is having the same problem as well.

>> No.9710971

>>9701510
Theoretically management could've given Ame a budget, like letting her keep the revenue for a certain number of streams. It's reaching but it's not impossible, iirc there were a couple streams where none of the money earned went to Cover

>> No.9711037

>>9678065
>that did all of this by themselves,
Man. People should Atleast gave props to the managers handling the paperworks and meetings to achieve this.

>> No.9711165

>>9701296
You'd be surprised that the Chinese actually really likes holoEN

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>>9677717

>> No.9711234

>>9677717
/thread

>> No.9711333

>>9677717
noice
>>9707877
I'd say so.

>> No.9711351

>>9677717
fpbp

>> No.9711421

>>9679105
Ame was the only "literal who" before Hololive, the rest were already either making mega-money or getting decent views before Cover picked them up, faggot.

>> No.9711450

>>9679909
Oh yeah just fly in a Cannuck, a US-JP expat, and one of Hitler's own into the US and tard-wrangle them into a temporary studio for one fuckin' livestream.

>> No.9711456

>>9685034
Yea buddy that was a lie. Hate to be the one to break it to you.

>> No.9711598

>>9711421
>Kiara always said she had no money and tells her sob stories about her life
Yeah she did so well she was famous for her success on the internet.

>> No.9711816

fuck off tribalfag, i only watch a few nijis nowadays too, but that stream was really fucking good.
a collab stream with them in the same room and actual 3D models would be a very powerful stream.

>> No.9711845

>>9677717
fippy bippy

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>>9677717

>> No.9711920

>>9677081
>oops! ol smols
Nice.

>> No.9711924

>>9686547
Ouch. Chill out, dude.

>> No.9712072

Thank You.

We Holofags, Holobronies and all the other beautiful descriptors u eloquent people of beauty and fragility use upon us, are deeply grateful for your undying passion and devotion to complement our interests, hobbies and love for the greatest entertainment the world has ever seen.

Sincerely,
Head of the Holobronies Committee

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>>9710029
Why's she standing like this?

>> No.9712142

>>9694879
>they pay to make their covers and original songs. cover isn't their friend, it's a corporation.
Sounds dumb to disincourage potential revenue/brand marketing, is there any real reason for it?

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Why?

>> No.9712213

>>9712142
They're japanese, please Anderson

>> No.9712268

>>9686301
Do you know that Pomu subs and views are from holo?
>Still cant keep up 1k views LMAO
>keep seething

>> No.9712305

>>9710146
Thats not her model its her cardboard version.

>> No.9712307

>>9711421
Gura wasn't making mega money, and she was the most famous of them pre-Hololive

>> No.9712338

>>9695193
That's like $9000, a pittance.

>>9677081
Does holo en even care that much about 3D?

>> No.9712345

>>9689438
Fuck nijien, they dragged pika to that shitty collab I can't forgive them for that

>> No.9712352

>>9677081
>An incredibly successful Collab
>Someone on /vt seething about it
Every single times

>> No.9712469

>>9712305
ah damn

>> No.9712497

>>9677081
i cant feel happy for walfie because he became popular because of hololive, he was an aikatsu artist first i feel like he became a grifter

>> No.9712534

>>9712352
Anon OP must be nijiniggers LMAO
>Seething about scuff 3D with successful numbers
while his oshi struggles to break 1k views

>> No.9712538

>>9712497
>he was an aikatsu artist first
no

>> No.9712548

>>9680845
somebody post this on pornhub

>> No.9712553

>>9712142
Because writing lyrics & music, recording, mixing and preparing youtube videos (even the simple ones where it's just still imagines with effects on them) for songs costs a lot of money.
It's believed that Cover does do that for a small amount of the Holos (eg Azki, Irys) but the rest have to do it themselves.
For a relatively small company like Cover, there is a lot of risk associated with spending company money on song projects that might not catch the imagination or the algorithm, leading to poor sales and losing money.
There would also be issues of which holos get what amount of attention and money. Does Watame get help making a full album while Subaru or Akirose have to do with singles? Which of Sora, Miko, Suisei and Azki get priority, would someone like Botan or Kronii or a HoloID wanting to make a song get kicked to last because they aren't a "serious singer" like the others? Nene, she's clearly one of the most talented singers in the entire company, does the Japanese fetish for seniority mean she has to wait 5 years for a full album worth of songs?

>> No.9712565

>>9711450
They would obviously do more than one live stream, and they can record multiple skits/videos at a time. Coco/Kanata recorded a buncha short ones over months, do you really think they walked down the studio every day to record 15 second skits of them dancing or whatever?

>> No.9712683

>>9679900
Fuck you

They're pure soul

>> No.9712736

>>9711450
I think the intangible importance is worth more than the stream. You can feel the venom in almost every stream about how they feel about this shit, culminating in Cover not getting a thank you once.

>> No.9713655

>>9710029
>>9712206
*notices your bulgey wulgey from across the floor*
UWU

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