/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>Putting down of Japanese vtubers in favor of English ones
>DUDE FLOWER LMAO
>/wvt/ and Vshojo generals
>Assertation that popularity = quality
>Widespread acceptance of idol vtubers having boyfriends and calling those who disagree "incels"
>Nonstop shilling of a boring as fuck owl because she's "wholesome" and "hecking cute"
>"Lolicons" unironically shitting on pedos like being a pedophile is a bad thing
>Shitting on "fake" voices in favor of realistic (roastie) voices
>Constant shitting on anime, the very thing which this site is based around
There's no denying it at this point. This place is LITERALLY R*ddit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
>There's no denying it at this point. This place is LITERALLY R*ddit.
Then you fit here perfectly

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269235
I'm looking at live views since that's where the thing you care about is, the SC revenue, and on comparative games the numbers are the same.
Your word choice shows you're desperate for a win but it's been so long since it was an actual argument that it's not how I perceive it.
I'm trying to get your position to a rational point.

[Anonymous No.]

did you say something, phoneposter?

[Anonymous No.]

you tried

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267710
>>9267713
So you have no argument. That's what I thought.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267773
my argument is that youre retarded, dramanigger

[Anonymous No.]

Based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
>being a pedophile is a bad thing
Yes and I think they should be killed without trial.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
You're right but what took you so long to realize this? This place has been reddified even before /vt/ was created.

[Anonymous No.]

Flower is the funniest thing I've seen in my entire life

[Anonymous No.]

>Not watching cute western vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267857
Go back.

[Anonymous No.]

>like being a pedophile is a bad thing
You thought you could just slip that one in there

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267899
Hang all nonces. Nyanners was right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267900
give me your knowledge, anon, where are the good western non-corpo chuubas hiding?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
If saying that pedophiles should be castrated by getting hung by their nuts until they tear off and then publically executed makes me a redditor, then I guess I'm a redditor

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah yeah very deep.
You don't unironically think anime is good, right?
It's obviously peak visually, Ancient Roman-esque depiction of the idealised human form is sexy for example.
From a story stand point though almost all of it is best suited in its original form.
Literally the only stuff worth watching is the most normie friendly shows like Death Note and Demon Slayer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267980
https://twitter.com/wvt_clips/status/1433618248365326341
Too bad, she's on hiatus.
She's the only western indie I can confidently shill on /vt/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
>"Lolicons" unironically shitting on pedos like being a pedophile is a bad thing
They are a bad thing.
As a lolicon myself, I think that every single pedophile should be castrated with a rusty knife

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268107
>Literally the only stuff worth watching is the most normie friendly shows like Death Note and Demon Slayer
Your opinion is worth less than the shit on my shoes, your taste is more normalfag than a Jojo Ledditor's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268184
That's because I actually have taste.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268226
Babby's first shonen anime are not taste, no. They're what teenage boys watch before taste is developed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
>"Lolicons" unironically shitting on pedos like being a pedophile is a bad thing
Go groom people on twitter or reddit. I heard that MAPs are popular on twitter or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268252
Mate a naruto filler is probably more entertaining than your favourite show.
Anime exists to sell comics and toys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268146
>I think that every single pedophile should be castrated with a rusty knife
Make it into that point where the knife is on its breaking point and starts chipping as it cuts through the skin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268296
And vtubers exist for people to buy superchats and merch, but you enjoy them just fine. All corporate entertainment exists to turn a profit. It does not make it any less entertaining. Demon Slayer is equivalent to a Naruto filler arc. You are a normalfag, and you need to go back.

[Anonymous No.]

This must be where I post

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268365
Not true. They're streamers. The ones I like being of the vaginal persuasion. It's basically just coincidence that the objectively most entertaining are part of Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268374
>posts trash in a trash thread
you are right anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268486
>Streamers don't stream to turn a profit
It's like you think women stream from hot tubs for no reason. Delusional. It's all business. And that doesn't make it any less entertaining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268578
They don't though, they exist outside of vtubing as individuals and can make money elsewhere. A product can only make money being a product.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268648
No, Pekora does not exist outside of vtubing. The character herself is the product. Her face is slapped on wine bottles and keychains. The model, the character name, the character itself - it's all owned by Cover. She cannot leave and exist as Pekora. It's like saying anime characters exist outside of anime because the voice actors themselves do. They don't. The sooner you accept that the entertainment industry is an industry and that there's nothing wrong with that the better.

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>>9268486
It's not a coincidence.
They got hired by being the most entertaining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
>phoneposter
I see no opinion here.
Just a faggot whose bait I took.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268720
She's still the talent that propels it. Look at Gura before Holo and Coco after.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268720
Wasn't talking about any of that nonsense, grasping at low branches.
You said she existed for superchats and merch. She is a real person who streamed before hololive.
You're just a faggot with shit taste.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268820
And your point is? It doesn't make her any less of a product or a corporate cashcow that exists to pull in money for an agency.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268833
>You said she existed for superchats and merch
She does. Cover doesn't make characters they don't think will turn a profit.
>She is a real person who streamed before hololive
No, Pekora is not her roommate. An anime character's voice actor is not the anime character. Kson is not Coco, and it's that reason why so many people have grown a distaste for Kson in her recent ventures.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268896
That's jargon. Is that rationale so it's easier to jack off to gura as a child?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268923
It's fact.
Go back to watching shonenshit, Nyanners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
OP: based!
Others: cringe...

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
Unironically this board is reddit lite at this point. Meidos did a great job at banning all the non-retards and letting the braindead zoomers take over. I miss the /jp/ days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268315
ante it up by making the breaking rusted knife blunt so you cut through the skin with friction leaving bits of broken pieces in the flesh

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
>"Lolicons" unironically shitting on pedos like being pedophile is a bad thing

anon why are you like this, were you failing your elementary?>>9267691

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>>9267691
Hey OP do us all a favor and go back to réddit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268945
I seen it 12 years ago, when I was the right age for it.
At this point the avatar could be gone forever and Pekora's viewership wouldn't change. Can pretend otherwise but we both know what is actually true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
BRRRAAAAAAPPP SPRURT

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
>They hated them because he told the truth

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268993
>I seen it 12 years ago, when I was the right age for it
Even less reason to take your opinion seriously, considering you were sucking off Demon Slayer, an anime you've never watched.
>At this point the avatar could be gone forever and Pekora's viewership wouldn't change
Kson doesn't pull near the same viewership Coco used to. Get real. I heard this same cope back when she graduated. Pekora isn't her roommate and for a lot of 2D otaku watching her, that make a hell of a lot of difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269049
Ah so you're actually autistic. Tens of shows vs one show.
Kson gets more viewers than she used to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
>Widespread acceptance of idol vtubers having boyfriends and calling those who disagree "incels"
Vtubers can’t have boyfriends because they are fictional characters that belong to the viewers. Their “actors” can do, see, and screw whoever the fuck they want for all I care. Stop treating them as anyway compatible with real life idols from Japan, because they’re not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269081
>Ah so you're actually autistic
No, I'm right. There's no reason to take your opinion seriously if you're going to talk bullshit and contradict yourself later.
>Kson gets more viewers than she used to
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
Kek based op redditors malding in this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269135
That includes June, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
>"Lolicons" unironically shitting on pedos like being a pedophile is a bad thing
it is you faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269162
You're free to go back further on their respective channels yourself. Coco blows Kson's viewers out of the water. Accept that you were wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269181
Was just doing so. You're wrong. Stop crying like a weirdo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269193
>You're wrong
Anon, how many times have Kson's VOD views dipped below 100k? And how many times did that happen to Coco? If we're both looking at the same numbers there's no need to lie. Take the L.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269168
>it is because I said so
Okay

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269259
fuck off kike

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
have you considered you just haven't picked the right English ones?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
>"Lolicons" unironically shitting on pedos
Based
>like being a pedophile is a bad thing
Cause it is a bad thing

What are you on OP? Are you saying pedophilia is a good thing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268502
No wonder you immediately reacted, must be a resident

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269384
>I'm looking at live views since that's where the thing you care about is, the SC revenue, and on comparative games the numbers are the same
On "comparative games"? I see how it is. It doesn't count that she gets lower views because they're from zatsudans or what have you, right? It doesn't matter if she dips below 100k VOD views when Coco didn't because the content isn't *comparable*. This kind of cope is just ridiculous. You said:
>Kson gets more viewers than she used to
This includes live viewers, VODs, and it encompasses ALL of her videos/streams on average, not just ones you cherrypick. Coco was, and will always be, more popular than Kson. Give it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269448
>on average
Cut this out. Not what I meant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269448
Nope, she's just as popular. Maybe even more popular because of June.
Cope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269465
She gets less live viewers. Less VOD views, less subscribers and less superchats. You saying something does not magically make it true. Look at the numbers and do not exclude them when they're inconvenient for you. Seethe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269521
It's a shame those things aren't true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269583
Denial is one thing, but you need your eyes checked if you think 855000 is a bigger number than 1420000.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269625
Take your own advice buddy. Been almost a month since the dragon got 10k subs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269677
I lost the plot of this argument. Are you arguing for Coco's popularity for when she was still an active vtuber or are you arguing for the here and now? Because we can both see with our own two eyes that Kson has and never will hit Coco's viewership when she was still active, and it was relevant to the "Pekora would be just as popular if she graduated" meme you were touting, but if you're just arguing that Kson is bigger than a graduated vtuber and that that's an accomplishment somehow I don't think I need to say anything more here. We've reached peak cope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269521
Most of her streams were her playing shitty games like yakuza and still having >1000 viewers. Now she always has >2000 for everything she does. The average live viewers is not comparable since you have to remove new outfits streams, the graduation, June, and collabs with more popular hololivers (since she hasn't done a collab yet).

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269814
>Most of her streams were her playing shitty games like yakuza and still having >1000 viewers
Blatantly untrue. If you think Coco was ever pulling HoloID numbers you never watched her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267807
Ok you're retarded and have no argument got it

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269784
>>9269861
Was definitely not viewernumbers to brag about, especially if you're trying to claim being corpo was a huge buff.
It's not even the same comparison as my Pekora hypothetical. As I said her popularity would remain if the avatar was gone, not if she wasn't Hololive/Pekora.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267807
absolutely based

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269938
You just keep backtracking. This is tiring. I tell you you're wrong or I ask you a question you don't want to answer and you move gears. Do you have anything you'd like to discuss and actually stick to it or are you just looking for a final own here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269973
Nonsense. You just argue like a woman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267710
>muh filename organization
Literally a symptom of autism

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269989
I'll take that as a no. Pekora is a product and you're a normalfag who never watched Coco.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269973
>>9269989
>>9269938
>>9269927
>>9269861
>>9269784
>arguing on the internet
You're all turbofaggots and need to neck yourselves immediately

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270006
See, estrogen filled post.
She got slightly more numbers for regular games than an ID girl. Not equal to, slightly better.
Clarified enough for your nitwit, nitpick brain?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
>"Lolicons" unironically shitting on pedos like being a pedophile is a bad thing
I don't hate pedos, I hate pedophilia
I don't think pedos are inherently shitty people or that they can't have normal lives, but if you believe that feeling sexually attracted to kids should be normalized, you deserve to be castrated
I have interacted with pedos before, almost all of them want a relationship with a minor or struggle to contain their urges. If you feel distressed or encouraged about wanting to fuck a kid, get help
I also have to say, I find very funny the pedo cope where if you say you like lolis but not actual children, they'll call you an 'ironic lolicon'.
I don't particularly care about pedos in an anonymous forum, but I'll judge you if you openly show glowing 3DPD

[Anonymous No.]

>>9269989
Welp. It's clear who lost in this round.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
Actually reddit does not put down the JP talents and doesn't look down on anime. This place managed to become worse than redddit, by now we are more slow-twitter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270051
Gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270047
>I don't hate pedophiles, I hate pedophilia
Are you even thinking while typing this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270036
Look. We both know you never watched Coco. Saying I have sand in my hypothetical vagina doesn't change that. You wouldn't have made the claim she pulled HoloID numbers in the first place if you did. It's hardly nitpicking if we're arguing numbers and I point out your numbers are wrong. Now I'll ask again, do you actually have anything you'd like to discuss or do you just want to salivate over how much of a woman you believe me to be?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
>"Lolicons" unironically shitting on pedos like being a pedophile is a bad thing
Marvelous bait. A work of art.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270102
He is.
Please answer this IQ test. How would you feel today if you didn't get to eat yesterday?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270136
I'll bite. Hungry

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270151
>I'll bite
That better not have been intentional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270110
I just coincidentally quit being a member a week before announcing retirement, because I'm truly clueless about Coco

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270102
I knew it would be taken like this and it was deliberate
I'll put it like this: I hate war and conflict, but I can't blame soldiers forced to go to the battlefield unless they commit war crimes
Do you get what I'm trying to say?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
>Shitting on "fake" voices in favor of realistic (roastie) voices
You almost had me. Almost. There's no excuse for an annoying voice if your job is talking for hours on end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270212
I had an Amelia membership. Couldn't tell you a damn thing about half of her streams. By itself it means nothing. Doubling down won't convince me of whatever it is you're trying to prove, but you're free to keep trying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270276
Ah so it's you who didn't watch Coco.

[Anonymous No.]

why are chumbuds like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270229
Oh no. I thought you have an argument but to make a parallel between pedophilia and war?
war is a necessity if all options have been exhausted. How can you compare that with pedophilia?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270294
I did. Didn't member her, but I did. I see we've reached the deflection tactic, but I'm still not sure what you're trying to prove.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
>watching non JP vtubers
You were warned

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270309
It's just a metaphor anon, don't think too much about it. I still think pedophilia is bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270061
You need to be 18 to post here, kid

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270332
You reflected, I made a logical conclusion.
I responded to both you and another anon about ID numbers, saying that at the least the numbers were nothing to brag about.
That came about from me saying that if it started from today, Pekora without the avatar would get the same viewers.
Isn't really difficult to follow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267908
lmao this dude just needs to rope himself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270402
You mean deflected, not reflected. The only thing I'm reflecting on is my life choices after giving a shonentard this many (you)s. What I'm wondering about is how you randomly accusing me of not watching Coco proves any point you're attempting to make. You just went over a list of previous points in the conversation, I still don't know what it is you're trying to prove.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
>Assertation that popularity = quality
Nijicope. I don't even need to read the rest to know who you are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270458
You really shouldn't go full autist over a letter.
Again, that was you who randomly accused me of not watching Coco.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270482
What letter? And I stand by that, you clearly didn't if you misremembered her viewercount to such a degree.

[Anonymous No.]

why are deadbeats like this?

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck anime and FUCK pedos

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270539
Why are you on an anime focused website

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270509
Right so there was Terraria, the entire Yakuza series, Fallout 4, those indie horror titles. All this year alone that performed at barely above ID levels.
What games do you remember that were good numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

why is it that every time a shit thread is made, Gura is in the OP?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270570
It is inevitable. They only know gura.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270570
They're using her purely for clickbait. A Gura OP will get clicks.

[Anonymous No.]

why are takos like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267857
based as fuck anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270552
vtubers aren't anime, retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270562
>barely above ID levels
I went through the trouble of checking for you. You're full of shit. For reference, the stream Kson just ended was at about 2.5k viewers. Which is all I ever meant to argue - that Coco while active was more popular than Kson while active. So I'm satisfied.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9268966
squeeze a lemon in there for added effects, salt works too

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270643
Don't try to argue with ksoncucks

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270634
I didn't ask why are you on vt, I asked why you are on 4chan. Learn to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270643
That's barely above ID levels? Would Luna-tier trigger you less?
Would be hard to even imagine the viewership of Terraria during the Subaru/Pekora weekend afternoon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270678
>That's barely above ID levels
It's not. IDs frequently get below 1k. Barely above 1k would be 1.5k or 2k. That's 5k above regular ID levels. It's good viewership. It's better than Kson viewership.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270704
You're creating your own definitions there. That's not true either, the ID girls you probably hate are good performers.
Barely is a word that completely depends on context, so yeah she barely got more than HoloID considering the popularity of Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
idolfags are the newfaggots,
go back /r/edditor

eilene was literally jp embodyment and she is the first vtuber,
vtubeing was always different from the idolfag culture, and cover was failing so hard they had to shill out to chinks with their failed idolshit to not go bankrupt in 2018-2019

you newfaggots don't realize hololive was never a idolcompany pre 2019 and only recently after gen 3 branded them as such.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270777
Okay anon, let's pretend you didn't just pull that definition of "barely" out of your ass as well and that 5k IS "barely" above HoloID. Like numberfags don't jerk off over the difference between 5k and 10k live viewers. Where are you going with this? If you can understand that 5k is good performance, and that she got higher viewcounts than Kson, what point are you trying to make?

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267691
this place was always /r/eddit newfag

whenever i call them out the jannies ban me.
they don't even ban me for nudity, they only do it when i post proof this board is reddit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270890
exactly, realistically if you don't even know who eilene is on this board you should just go back....

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270879
It's not complicated. If Kson were to play Terraria at an appropriate hour; the live views would be higher than any Terraria stream as Coco.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270909
I used to follow her stuff years ago but jumped ship when all the drama started

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267980
Watch Kisaka! But be nice and hide your power level!

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270890
So the guy is probably asian, around 16 at 5'2 100 pounds in wet clothes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270928
And your proof of this is... what, your headcanon? If we're to compare similar content, Coco's zatsudans got more views than Kson's zatsudans. So when comparing the same kind of content, Coco got more views than Kson. So I think you're, again, full of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>9267710
holy based

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270939
what drama? the one with entum?
there was barely any though, eilene got fucked over behind closed doors and they went seperate ways,
kinda sad how much ICETEA disbanded,
they were literally the fastest growing and biggest group in 2018.

natsumi moe was literally the first english vtuber and her content was peak kino,
hell she still is even though she left eilenes group 2 weeks ago and now does make somewhat decent content although dated since she still follows the old vtuber style of not live streaming often and doing video essays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvlxkAzY9WE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3klAmaB278&t=2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37tMeQFRfEg&t=1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwyzQk5XEgg

at this rate shes gonna turn into internet historian vtuber

[Anonymous No.]

>>9270960
you mean white.....

asians never LARP as blacks, they rather an arab than a black.

its always a white guy pretending to be black online