/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

everything is true except the singing part

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816206
yeah, they have great singers but definitely not "most of them"

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816206
>Idol culture
>Being a negative
Written by a normalfag cuck. Didn't bother reading the rest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816257
based idolchad

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816206
Nijisanji doesn't exactly has many more games to play. They are just willing to stream a lot of games unmonetized while Hololive needs to turn superchat on in every single game(except GTA) because small indie company needs every penny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816298
*have

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816206
its like playstation vs xbox at this point, the fanbases like what is offered and dont care about the limitations because theyre diehard fans.
yet also like ps vs xb, the fanbases are tribalfagging tweens/manchildren.
>>8816298
>Hololive needs to turn on superchat on in every single game
ame turns off supas a lot and sometimes people beg to have them reenabled, cover is too terrified because of the holocaust.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816206
Aiba Uiha is an idol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816379
I'm talking about HoloJP. There are games you can play but without monetization and Holos don't touch them. For example Botan was asked about Tarkov streams a lot but she said she won't play it because the game company won't allow monetization

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji's 3D has long been known to be more advanced than Hololive's, with more points of articulation and tracking. And Hololive's is quite good, no doubt. The two company's studio work is quite refined at this time.

Hololive's 2D is, on average, superior. That said, they are both lagging behind in 2D, badly. Indie's with Vtube Studio are making mockeries of these two agencies right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816206
>hololive 3d is better than nijisanji 3d
LMAO yeah right thats just an ass pull you might not like nijisanji but you have to admit their 3d is on another level

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816257
>>8816283
Angry because your idol cucked you didn't she?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816206
did you realy felt the need to screenshot your shitty take just so someone would read it?

[Anonymous No.]

Based and true. Holobabs just don't want to admit it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816524
Thing with nijisanji live 2d is that most of them are outadet as hell they have a GIANT catalog of models pretty sure some go back all the way to 2018 on one its nice because some talents can chose a different model than the one they additioned for on the bad side the live2d is gonna be choppy till they get a 2.0

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816206
>idol culture bad

wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816410
she's only an idol in the entertainer sense. in terms of "idol culture," no--she's unbelievably close to some of her male colleagues and has no pretenses of being seiso.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816206
>positive: free to slut it up
westoid hands wrote this

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816652
Lmao your new idols have boyfriends

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816206
It's not really that they're not allowed to be around guys, he makes it sound like it's a company rule. Idolfags and unicorns are schizos yeah but I can admit that the choice to distance themselves from males comes from the talent's side. You can probably say that they feel pressured to do so from their fans, but a pillar of the company like Fubuki doesn't care along with some of the older ones not caring either. They're big enough that collabs with men won't kill them, but it's still the girls making the choice.

>Japan is smaller than the whole world
What's the negative point being made here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816206
>my dumb tourist take didn't get enough (You) so I'm reposting it again

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816744
i don't care. i'm just saying it's weird to use her an an argument against nijisanji rejecting idol culture because she's not doesn't embrace or encourage that shit at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816568
I'm sorry if I want normie experience I just go to LINE and holler every chicks there I know to talk about even the most disgusting shit imaginable. Idol culture specifically provides what the everyday interaction cannot. Don't bother replying to me because you know I'm right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816524
>Hololive's 2D is, on average, superior.
I wouldn't say that. More that Hololive's has higher highs and lower lows. Comes with Niji doing things in house, more consistency for better or worse. Also means upgrades take longer, unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816568
reminder that vtubing industry was built on the backs of idolfags. terms such as "oshi" literally have origin among the wota (ヲタ). Hololive knows this, and this is why nearly everyone working as a talent in Cover has to to singing & dancing reps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816841
>Don't bother replying to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816206
Idol culture is a positive trait. But even this can't stop some Holomems from being whores.
Gender separation is a good thing too, except a handful of faggots and some women, nobody cares about Holostars.
Hololive is above Nijisanji largely because of these two facts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817032
If gender segregation is good then why are there a bunch of all girl vtuber groups that do shit numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817094
If gender mixing is good then why are there a bunch of mixed vtuber groups that do shit numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816206
In this list, even the cons for hololive are actually pros (except for shit fans only)
Several of the pros for niji are actually cons.

I guess hololive is the clear choice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817017
Hololive was built on the back of idolfags, not vtubing industry. Don't mix up the two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817094
>>8817116
So the conclusion here is that gender mixing is a neutral factor, and therefore saying Hololive is popular because of it is retarded, no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816206
>idol culture and gender seperation being a negative
now I know this was made by a Homobegger, the only thing wrong about Hololive is the copyright issues, management being dumb sometimes, and the shit fans

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817163
Right so nijifags can just go watch nijis and enjoy them instead of eternally seething that Hololive is 20x more popular because people enjoy idols more than Pokimane wannabes with anime avatars

Seriously if you don't like idolshit don't watch Hololive, go ahead. I don't give a fuck what Nijis do they could have a mass orgy on stream for all I care, just stop whining about how the mean old idolfags won't let you have any fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817163
And the idolfag industry was always built on denial. There hasn't been a single Idol group with at least one member who got publicly outed as a "whore" (Read: Someone who wanted a boyfriend like a normal person)
You may not realize it due to hololive's horrible incompetence, but vtubers are the next step. If the idol isn't stupid then its incredibly easy to get away with having a boyfriend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817163
Without Hololive vtubing industry wouldn't be as big as it is now

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817255
Man I love making idolfags angry

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817255
What is even more stupid that among countless of Niji livers some actually go idol route like Yorumi

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817163
Why do you have "graduations" when someone leaves then Niji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816777
The ones who choose not to do gfe still cannot be open about their relationships. The fanbase is too interconnected that one girl having a bf will cause hardcore antis from another fanbase such as rushias.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817364
Even indies graduate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817214
Nah, it's negative for sure. Female Nijis can't do GFE because there are males around. Having females around might not be a negative for male Nijis but it's not positive either. No one except shippers want to watch mixed gender collab, and as you can see with all the failing hetero ships in Niji, shippers aren't really fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817465
Yes, everyone in vtubing uses idol terminology.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817255
I've literally never seen nijifags complain about Hololive being idols. I've seen them complain about holofags trying to hold Nijis (and indies) to idol standards, and I've seen holofags complain about idol stuff, but I've never seen nijifags go "I hate that Hololive is an idol group".

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817017
>idols invented the concept of supporting a member of a group
>>8817364
>idols invented the concept of graduating from a position or group
ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817533
>Female Nijis can't do GFE because there are males around
You do know they can just not collab with males right? There are Nijis that only collab with other girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817558
it's all a falseflag. In fact Nijisanji and Hololive have great relationship. And fans who overlap

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817255
Nijis seethe over views but they don't seethe over Hololive being idolshit they just laugh despite having their own pseudo idols, because newsflash, faggots here don't watch vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

luv me cute animu girl
hate me man
simple ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817558
I think that anon is mixing up nijifags and homobeggars

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817596
don't pretend to be a retard

[Anonymous No.]

Take a look at this. This is someone whos an idiot who values labels instead of the products.

[Anonymous No.]

When these convos come up I just think about the fact that several Holos have done oneeshota roleplay with Nijmales on stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817602
>You do know they can just not collab with males right?
It's not that simple. They simply can't do GFE if they can't build trust with their viewers. People will think they're fucking some guys when they're not streaming because there are literally male vtubers in the same company as them and everyone knows how it's like in the entertainment industry.
>There are Nijis that only collab with other girls
Are they successful? Exactly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817702
We don't talk about those days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817702
most of those have been deleted, and thank god. Ever gen after 2 decided to go for the idolfag route once they realized they didn't need niji males

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817558
>I've seen them complain about holofags trying to hold Nijis (and indies) to idol standards,
I've never seen this, I've only seen Nijifags claim that Holofags hold them to idol standards when 99.99% of all Holofags simply ignore Nijis existence all together. The fact some random Hololive fan thinks Finana is a whore is not the reason she's getting low numbers so I fail to see how it impinges on your enjoyment of her. Honestly the life of a Nijifag seems like you just seethe over the imaginary idea that the reason Niji isn't popular is because idolfags hold them up to a different standard when the reality is people just enjoy Hololive more because they are held to that standard.

No-one cares about Niji, nobody gives a fuck. Enjoy them, no Holofag even thinks about them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817750
>>8817760
>J-JUST MEMORYHOLE IT!!
No

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817702
there is never 100% idol or gfe, it is all in different degrees by person, in different times, in different occasions

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817558
I've seen some nijifags complain about hololive being an idol group NOW because that means they'll never see their male livers collab with the girls ever again

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817633
I know what he's saying, I just think it's retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817558
There's that faggot who is still asshurt over the fact some Holos used to collab with Niji males then stopped

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817805
homobeggars ≠ nijifags

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817744
>People will think they're fucking some guys when they're not streaming
And this is different from the GFE girls in Hololive because....? Even in a company that splits the genders you still get anons calling the girls whores and claiming they're taking miles of dick off stream. As another anon said in the thread it's built on a degree of delusion anyways, if the fans don't see a guy on stream their minds will tell them that the girl is pure.

[Anonymous No.]

Idolfags walked so normalfags can run.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817805
What fucking Nijimale fan wants a Holo to collab with their males? Maimoto is not the norm, he is the plaything of all females. Hajiki's fans also don't give a fuck, their brain is rotted from his boring streams. All this whining came from salty Holostarsfags

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817844
They're the two groups who seethe over most Holos wanting to go the idol route.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817767
>No-one cares about Niji
The millionth Gura Killer thread and "LOOK AT THESE NIJI NUMBRERS" threads would suggest they very much live rent free in your minds. It is funny to watch Holofags constantly bring up a company they say means nothing to them. Not even the vshojo thots gets such a privilege.

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>>8817767
>The fact some random Hololive fan thinks Finana is a whore is not the reason she's getting low numbers so I fail to see how it impinges on your enjoyment of her.
Jesus, is all you know numbers?
Me saying Holofags are holding Nijis to idol standards isn't "and so they don't watch her and I'm mad about that", it's "and so they act like retards when she isn't an idol and shit up the community, and I'm mad about THAT"
If Holofags just didn't watch them I wouldn't care, but if you think they're content to stop with that we don't use the same board. You've seen the constant bait threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817898
You are the ones making those threads, you disingenous piece of trash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817767
Idol standards just may become the default way people see vtubers one day. Think about how many people get into the hobby through Hololive, and then go to other vtubers and a surprised to see them being more openly vulgar and talking to guys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817782
Yes, it never happened and you don't know what you're talking about. Now watch the streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817898
Those threads are made by some chumfaggot falseflagger and you know it. Not even Holofags like Globalfags so don't pin their retardation on us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817930
Holy delusion
Vshoujo fans are also the ones making pink cat bad threads and Ollie fans are making yubiyubi threads too, right?

[Anonymous No.]

I've heard all about why idol culture is bad, but can someone convince me why idol culture is good? I haven't heard much from that side yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817898
Vshoujo had their turn back in the early days.

>>8817930
>>8817958
>When something that makes my group look bad it's ALWAYS a falseflag
Hololive fans make up the majority of the poster on the board but they're all good boys of course.

[Anonymous No.]

Idol is just the central theme. The same way they all RP as 2-d anime girls they also RP as idols.
The sad part is The top performing holos in superchats/viewers/sponsorships/ short videos/music videos barely even bother with the Idol RP anyway and that’s a good thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816424
How the hell did this happen? There's a huge streamer community around tarkov and they're all monetized. Did BSG just say "no anime"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818004
I love how they won't shut uo about how this is a Hololive board (which is true) but the catalog being 80% bait means it's all the scary Nijifaggots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817997
ever play idolmaster or keep track of an idol back in the day? It's the growth I guess and seeing them want to work hard to perform on stage with the fans, even if some aspects are kayfabe you at least know with these girls that they really wanna perform for their fans and are really grateful for their support. It's just the wholesome feeling I can get behind

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816624
The new Edengumi wave has some god fucking awful rigging and it makes sense considering Oliver was made in 2019.
Even their own fans point it out in the comments.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817985
>>8818004
Oh sorry I forgot nijifags were saints. Truly the backbone of the vtuber community known for their camaraderie!

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817997
Makes it easier to target lonely dudes that need an internet girlfriend. Of course you won't ONLY target this group, but when you're casting the net framing your girls as idols and keeping boys away can grab some dedicated fans.

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji livers who go Idol & gfe route:
• Aiba Uiha
• Mononobe Alice
• Amamiya Kokoro
• Yorumi Rena
• Aizono Manami
• Machita Chima

[Anonymous No.]

idk why you say Holofags hate NijiEN, the only one people dislike is Finana cause of her humor and sounding like "your basic western vtuber that will randomly say I ate cum" idk most Holofags on this board dislike that cause it reminds them too much of vshojo which has been the source of a lot of cancer in the western vtuber fanbase

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818103
More like both sides have shitheads and trying to call everything a falseflag is dumb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817997
>>8818080
I think this anon has it down, for some of the girls the idol stuff is a genuine dream they've had and this is their best shot at it. Whether it's for one reason or another you can look at vtubing as a way to still appreciate those that fell through the cracks of the traditional route. I think one Niji girl cried in her 3D debut because she was finally getting to perform and sing on a stage in her life.

[Anonymous No.]

There wasn't this much animosity between the two fanbase when Nijisanji used to be at the top of vtubing world. But suddenly, out of nowhere, Hololive exploded in popularity and so did the tribalism. Really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818103
No, Nijifags are salty sore losers, but Holofags can't keep them out of their mouth then wonder why people are mad
There are Nijis who have never been discussed here who suddenly start getting doxxed when NijiEN debuts
Or all the daily numberfag threads
Or the NijiJP out of context clipfag threads
Or all the NijiEN dox (and Tsunderia seethe)
Tell me that's a Nijisanji fan doing it without lying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818216
Because one company suddenly closed itself off and pretended like their frequent history of collabs never happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818214
Vtubing was always the place where idol rejects go, be it because of their not too tier looks, menhera personalities or not good enough singing and dancing ability. playing games is just a background so they can do less boring zatsudans until the next live they want to perform in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818214
and the thing with vtubers and idol culture it means anyone can be an idol, no matter the age cause in the normal idol world once you're 25 it's over. But in Hololive no matter your age or your past experience you can still live the idol dream, that's why seeing girls like Botan and Nene perform on stage giving you a great feeling, especially Nene who tried in the past and had a 2nd chance despite her many trials, that's why I can't wait for Kiara to perform on stage too

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818235
Kinda sad that the only reason people know about Tsunderia is because of two girls that left them. Some groups have it rough on this board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816206
Hololive is just Apple, the fans are cultists who only watch Hololive and consume Hololive. They won't try alternatives. People forget all these people were once indies, including Usada Pekora.

So why shit on indies? Peko was a literal who on NND once.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818252
so that justifies the tribalism? stop collabing with us or there would be war?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818283
The chicken's gonna be so emotional I don't know if I'll be able to watch. I'll start tearing up myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8817291
>without Hatsune Miku and Kizuna Ai
fixed

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816206
the copyrights point is irrelevant because minecraft and apex are still rampant in nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818143
holoEN is already dying, tribalism will be the death blow for the entire industry in the west.
>i'll only do stuff in my bubble
I don't see the point, holoJP does stuff with Nijisanji all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818143
Despite the separation between the holofags and nijifags here, most of the holoFANS are also actually nijiFANS as well (EN specifically), mostly because holofans just wanted something new to watch.

fags = cancer of this board
fans = general fanbase, not this board specifically

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818305
same, honestly I'm glad the girls at least want to live that dream despite so many people outside of here not caring for idol culture, it's why I'm glad someone like Mori saying she's an idol and wants to perform on stage despite getting the most anti idolfags. Idolfags in the west are a rare breed but it's stuff like 2nd fes and Nene's 3D debut that changes people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818338
no they aren't. hell, even shark viewers won't watch other holos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818303
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816777
Nice trips.
Japan being smaller than the world is just a point to say that Nijisanji’s popularity has less of a worldwide appeal and more localized. This post is from before Niji EN, so it’s mostly a moot point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818355
Based tribalistchad

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818283
Nene isn't over 25.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818332
What would be the point of collabing with nijis anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818376
Nene is like Kiara, tried doing the idol gig in the past but failed so she had a 2nd chance with Hololive. That's what I meant, no matter your age or past experience Hololive still gives you the chance to be an idol on stage

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818395
why talk to people in real life when you could just isolate in a bubble? sounds fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818408
And their coworkers aren't real people? Let's not forget that "bubble" is made of 57 people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818338
>>8818353
i think i worded it wrong. A surprising amount of Nijifans are also holofans who wanted something else to watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818357
I had a feeling it was referring to Nijisanji's focus on the Japanese market. I just found it weird he'd point that out as a negative but at the same time say Hololive's shit international fans is also a negative. The shitty fans they got from having a more global appeal. So which is it to him, should a company go for local or global appeal?

[Anonymous No.]

>Niji
>Good at anything

Nah, post disregarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818443
ok, when EN vtubers die (and they are declining) and the JP market is all that is left, they will probably regret isolating so much from other people.

God forbid you do stuff with people outside your company.

[Anonymous No.]

>normalfag being absolutely delusional about Nijisanji because "waaa why don't these girls have boyfriends waaa" "waaa Japan bad" "idol bad waaa"
This is a completely shallow view on it, based on nothing but EOP ignorance, but it doesn't matter, Nijisanji is deep in otaku culture so these retards just end up fucking off after they learn that the girls and particularly the boys around don't pander to their ilk anyway, and are the absolute opposite of what they want them to be.

Not only it's fucking retarded that people are tribalistic over the companies, but if it's "idols this or that" is the argument, 100% of the time is a dishonest shitposter or a completely ignorant normalfag that thinks he's in good company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818445
are you sure about that? Cause I would expect the NijiEN girls to break 2k more often if that was the case, what the hell is the overlap with Vshojo fans then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818472
I find it ridiculous how some people pretend that only Hololive panders to idolfags while the truth is Nijisanji does it as well, just in different ways

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818332
>HoloEN is dying

By what metric? THe ones in your brain rotted head?

[Anonymous No.]

The tribal shit is way smaller than it seems.
Both sides are playing the victim and accusing the other of foul play.
In reality it was probably some anon farming (yous)

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818543
everyone including meme shark has declined over time. They cant even break 50k for an utawaku now.

They will have some fans, but the incline is over. COVID is ending and school is starting, and that means less people watching.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818561
Okay gotcha. You're just a retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818561
*adding to this, EVEN Pekora has lost viewers. She used to get 40-50k for Minecraft, now she goes under 30k at times. Hololive/Nijisanji are not growing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818462
Declining according to your delusions. If western vtubing is really declining then nijiEN will be the one sinking before holoEN with those terrible numbers you have. You only want them to collab with holoEN to boost your own numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816206
I think the whole idol thing is for brand safety and preventing having bf is just a red herring to restrict free association so doxxing is less likely. It's one thing if internet lore is floating around and dig it up, but imagine if some bf that's pissed off for whatever reason decides to get his vtuber gf fired from her job by doxxing her live without her knowledge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818536
That would require people to watch streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818616
Things Holofags don't want you to see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818642
>Holo posted record numbers and icnrease that dwarfs Niji
>THEYRE DYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Based Retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818616
it's not just nijiEN, it's Hololive and even Vshojo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818617
S/Os aren’t the only people who fight anon.
What’s stopping the talent from getting doxxed by a friend sibling or family member?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818561
>They will have some fans, but the incline is over. COVID is ending and school is starting, and that means less people watching
Oh yeah but only the holofans are leaving, nijisanji will totally not be affected by this, right? You are plain stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818642
>>8734597
>>8734940
>>8735355
>>8735598
2020 - 2021
Cover's assets grew from $7.6M to $35M
AnyColor's assets grew from $22M to $35M

You can check the reports and previews discussions in the archive: >>8074185
Cover's more detailed report: >>8057855

Alongside these growth, Cover made $17.28M in profits while AnyColor made $0.32M in profits.

According to local JP poll, Hololive is more popular in Japan than Nijisanji. >>8585355

It is safe to say that Cover is bigger than AnyColor in both domestic and overseas markets. Unless there's concrete data to disprove this.

Top Hololive JP talents are negotiating better cuts. No idea about the EN and ID talents, but Cover's 2021 - 2022 profit should be much less than 2020 - 2021 due to this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818661
just for fun pretend nijiEN isn't in that chart. Is that inclining or declining?

[Anonymous No.]

Hey everyone, hear me out:
Hololive love
Nijisanji love
VShojo hate

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818642
Also this. People think Hololive is good at 3D lives, it's a fucking joke. They're C rate at best on that front. Might be good at 2D live streams but their 3D lives are pretty underwhelming compared to others. .

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818490
I think because now there's a new toy to play with, HoloEN2, the percentage of Niji+Holo watchers have now significantly shrinked for now. They're still very noticeable, hell I still do see them in chat, with their KFPs in their name, the pfp and all, plus the comparison to Finana in the /who/ thread during Mumei's second stream ever.
>overlap with Vshojo fans
I don't really watch them enough to know much, but I think that Vshojo just attracts most of the twitch-specific audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818661
>ignoring the Holo graphs

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818692
Wait this is actually funny, I wanna see him continue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818642
Thanks for proving me right. Even at a decline holoEN mogs the fuck out of nijiEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818665
I've rarely seen a friend or family rage at someone so hard that they want to doxx them on the internet to get them fired and ruiin n;their life whereas I've seen lots of disgruntled bf/gf and offended strangers on twitter go ham at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818674
obviously everyone will be affected, JP will survive cause of otaku culture but EN vtubing is a bubble.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8818691
HoloEN is declining and no amount of numbers hosted on the back of Hololive Japan is ever going to change it KEK
HoloEN only just started getting merch and it's a drop compared to what JP gets, forget about JP sponsors too.
But please pull more numbers

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>>8818691
So Yagoo is a cheap fuck and Anycolor reinvest their money?

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>>8818777
Wasn't En2 suppose to flop bro?

I mean I guess if youre retarded and ignore Susan gutting their subs 5+ times due to them growing TOO fast.

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>>8818741
there is a fucking chart with a downward trend, are you stupid or just unable to read? EVERYONE IS GOING DOWNWARD, retard.
>COVID over
>school starting
and you expect growth?

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I love seeing Niji Shills seethe. HoloEN Succeeded while yet ANOTHER One of their branches died.

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>>8818768
Ok so EN scene dies. Then what's the point of holo-nijiEN collab? If western vtubing is going to die then it will die no matter what.

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>>8818811
Nobody tell him about Sana...

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>>8818661
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>>8818811
Not 1 mention of HoloEN Gen 1 declining despite having the numbers handed to you on a platter with a colorful image. Interesting.

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>>8816206
>lesser games to stream
Has everyone forgot the word 'fewer' exists?

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>>8818832
Yeah she got her subs cut 5+ times. And flare is the same way. Go figure

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>>8818830
Either isolate and die or branch outward and grow, it's not a hard concept. Believe it or not if Vshojo dies, it's bad for EN vtubers.

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>>8818834
Tribalism is good, normal and healthy. Without it you end up like Britain

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>>8818834
>>8818856
These are pro tribal images.

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>>8818840
To quote my own post
>Thanks for proving me right. Even at a decline holoEN mogs the fuck out of nijiEN
Do your reading comprenhension reps, retard. Second, niji numbers are still worse and no sign of them getting better.

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Heh