Peko

[Anonymous No.]

> Recently passed Korone as the highest subbed JP Holo and 2nd highest subbed Holo overall
> The only only Holo who openly proclaims that she wants to be the #1 female streamer in the world.
> Literally been caught with numberfag tabs / search history on her browser.
> Trying to stream more on Twitch to compete with Pokimane / Amouranthe / etc
I don't get how her brain works. Does she acknowledge Gura as someone in her way to the top or not? Normally you would focus on being #1 within your own company first no? But shes more focused on outdoing the top Twitch thots.

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They'd have to be competition to be in her way.

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Yes anon she sent a top ranked indonesian assassin after Gura, she's not worried about that particular obstacle at the moment

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>>7863417
Gura doesn't actively try to get numbers so she isn't really an active threat to Peko. Besides, wouldn't you rather fight outsiders than fight people in your company for views if you were a good team player?

She wants to obliterate the western camwhores that dominate Twitch and I hope she succeeds.

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Gura's her friend so she doesn't see her as a threat.
She just wants to laugh at the sluts as she rises above them

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>gura
who?

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She wants to be the number 1 live streamer. Most live views. Most subs? Doesn't care, and even if she did there's no way to bridge the gap.

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>>7863493
This

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>>7863417
>I don't get how her brain works. Does she acknowledge Gura as someone in her way to the top or not? Normally you would focus on being #1 within your own company first no? But shes more focused on outdoing the top Twitch thots.

Anon.
Not to get too personal.
But.
How good were you in school?
Do people often say that it seems like you miss the point of conversations?
Do people around you often fall uncomfortably silent?

This is... literally not how it works.
This isn't a sports game.
I normally don't curse.
But
Jesus.
Fucking.
CHRIST.

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>>7863417
She is #1 in her company. Dead subs mean jack shit

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>>7863499
She's the one with super annoying forced laughter.

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>>7863618
That's Kiara you're thinking of

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>>7863417
Peko's arena is total watch time.
Gura is a different beast in a different arena.
The audience prefers to have them working together instead of competing against one another.

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>>7863417
Gura is a nobody in the streaming scene. Like Ayame, she just stream enough to earn money. No ambition, no plan, nothing.

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>>7863482
>she sent a top ranked indonesian assassin after Gura
I hope Pekora is paying Moona well for her services, Usada Kensetsu overwork their employees enough as is without adding in the overtime in wet-work.

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>>7863777
Gura isn't a number fag with a shit personality.....
Wow what a terrible insult. I'm sure she's mad she isn't included with the wonderful and talented streamers like Pokimane and Valkyrae....

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>7863838

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>>7863417
She actually never cared about Gura, but chumkeks likes to fantasize that Pekora is for some reason worried about her, when Gura don't even have the highest live viewers on her own branch.

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>>7863777
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/7266035/#7268655

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>>7863884
That leotard must be musky as all hell now.

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>>7863417
>The only only Holo who openly proclaims that she wants to be the #1 female streamer in the world.
Kek, did you even watch Hologra 2 weeks ago?
> Trying to stream more on Twitch to compete with Pokimane / Amouranthe / etc
pretty sure she only did yesterday cuz her throat was sore
>>7863539
Not OP but go back
>>7863838
>shit personality
elaborate, EOP.

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>>7863885
i don't think she cares about anyone from EN, ID too with an exception of Moona

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>7863890
6.8 million hours of people watching in 3 months
>7863936
footfag gura would love to smell

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>>7863970
Still less than half as a total, I'm afraid. Almost 700 uploads lowers her average by a lot.

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>>7863890
How is average of total view relevant? Just mean Gura doesn't get out of her comfort zone

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>>7864009
It means she has the most number of views per amount of content provided, Pekora only has more views altogether due to having more than 3 times as many uploads.

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>7864005
The boys stick around for rabbit cunny

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>>7863777
Can you imagine the seethe coming from all of the Western IRL women below Pekora? They are first losing to an anime character and second, the most important of all, they are losing to an Asian female. Top tier mogging.

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>>7864064
Meant for >>7864005.

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>>7863890
Unfortunately, unless Pekora does more to appeal to EOP literal underageds I don't think she can surpass Gura. Making content that caters to western children is like playing Youtube on easy mode. Gura does it but Pekora not as much

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>>7864064
I like rabbit and shark cunny, I'm just stating the facts that people seem determined to ignore.

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>>7864122
She's limited by language, not content, Minecraft is a her forte and it's prime YT zoomer bait the world over.

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>>7864075
>who doesn't also whore themselves over a myriad of twitch's metas

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>Gura is a better streamer because she has less uploads and more subs

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>>7864122
>>7864142
how do we coax the bunny into learning eigo? i'm sick of seeing twitchtthots dominating

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>>7864219
She's kinda got the problem of learning words but not learning grammar so she can't really build sentences effectively. She's even brought it up on stream

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>>7863539
This, so much this

Edit: wow, didn't expect this to blow up

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>>7864037
Average of total view is a shit metric, I don't know if you are baiting. Using that metric, long-time streamers are in middle/low-tier because they started when the target demographic wasn't there. Asmongold would be shit tier, summit1g would be shit tier...etc

It also doesn't include quantity of content, someone popular could stream once a month and he would be the most popular streamer. However nobody would care about that.

Using Hololive as an example, Ayame would be in the top 3 which doesn't make sense. She doesn't get as much sponsored deals, nobody outside of holofans know her, she doesn't even stream enough to be properly qualified as a popular streamer.

Now tell me how is average of total view a relevant metric to measure the popularity of a streamer again?

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>>7864219
I don't know. Someone needs to plant the idea in her head that speaking more English would greatly benefit her numbers. How to go about it I don't know.

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>>7864219
The irony of this post
Pekora is literally becoming a twitchthot

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>>7864282
she knows that but I doubt she can be bothered learning English just for more viewers

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>>7864219
She's not going to shove english reps into her schedule when she literally just streams all day. Best bet would be some english clipbait like GTA5/O, or an english only stream at an early time like Korone did.

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>>7864289
For real, that fuckin rabbit whore, putting those hot thumbnails on the beach showing her sexy body... Why is the rabbit like that ?

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>>7863493
>She wants to obliterate the western camwhores that dominate Twitch and I hope she succeeds.
The moment she achieves this all camwhores on twitch will turn into vtubers.

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>>7864188
that just mean Gura's is "quality" and Pekora is "quantity"? But then again, define good. I've watched both and must say Pekora's stream pack more vocabs, grammar which is good for repping, and she seems to express herself a bit more genuinely. Gura is cute, easier to understand and relate to memes she puts out, which is why her content isn't limited to Japs and JSL.

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>>7864344
>>7863493
Why would you want that, why would you want more western normalfags becoming vtubers

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I want to fuck a bunny

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>>7863417
>Normally you would focus on being #1 within your own company first no?
Gura isn't Pekora's competition you retard. They're on the same team. Only streamers outside of Hololive are her competition.

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>>7864253
>learning words but not learning grammar
literally me

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>>7864271
It's a method of evening the differences, like how Pekora has a whole year's worth of extra content, for example.
It makes sense because you still actually have to get the views in the first place. Ayame is notably lower than Pekora, since you mention it (252,800.3). The premise that it skews the values is bullshit since a low total viewcount will still yield a low average. Your argument is nonsense.

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>>7864344
Pekora is just an exception, her rule is preordained

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>>7863417
Her roommate was a twitch thot. Camera focused on books and wearing mask in case she shows her face

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>>7863417
Gura is only in her way when discussing sub numbers. Pekora has a higher output, higher retention of her live audience then Gura. This also correlates well with the metric she has been found to numberfag the most, which is already linked by another anon in this very thread, hours watched.

Gura isn't a threat because she doesn't have the mentality for it. She's been handed a golden opportunity but she does not perform to the level of her subcount. Gura could be a monster, but I honestly think gura would have been happier if she had a sub count of 100k, she hates the spotlight.

It's not so strange why you don't understand Pekora, you haven't done any research at all and I doubt you watch her.

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>Jesus was a carpenter

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>>7864337
I love it

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>>7863539

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I will never understand Pekora's popularity.
The design, voice and personality all don't do it for me. I'm not a fan of Kiara at all (so it's not one of those cases where I defend her), and this sounds like low hanging fruit when I say that, but I genuinely don't understand how she's not seen as the JP Kiara.

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Peko...

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>>7864471
>she wants the gura foot fetish audience
based

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>>7864471
Same

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>>7864578
the full one has a cameltoe doesn't it

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>>7864271
>>7864397
Also, just for shits and giggles, Asmongold is 361,224.2, so still decently above Pekora and Marine, which is despite his whopping 1000+ uploads working against his average. Though I imagine using a Twitch streamer as a case is pretty meaningless when Twitch doesn't even cache VODs properly.

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>7864551
https://files.catbox.moe/1smlz0.mp4

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>>7864282
the image of a fluently spoken English Pekora is otherworldly absurd lul

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>>7864551
>but I genuinely don't understand how she's not seen as the JP Kiara.
You have to be a retard to have this view.
Kiara is the one trying to emulate Pekora. Just because you don't like Pekora doesn't mean it's absurd that a bunch of other people like her.

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>>7863417
she only speaks moonrune. Objectively as a numberfag she lost before she even began. Unless she learns english and panders to international audience she will never be number 1.

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>>7864553
WAOO dynamite body!

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>>7864271
>Average of total view is a shit metric, I don't know if you are baiting.
Found a new numberfaggot. Live views are regarded as a meme and it's own category in number threads, since on YouTube you have to actively watch the stream, tabbing out lowers the live view count but it will register as watched in vod.

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>>7864337
You've never gone to the beach before with your hot female friends anon?

It's the social norm...nothing outrageous.

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>>7864551
You aren't wrong.
The key difference between Pekora and Kiara (besides Pekora having a much, much better design) is their self awareness.
Pekora plays a heel with chat, and intentionally amps up her self-importance and grandiose speeches so chat can mock her when she inevitably fails. But it is understood she does this dumb things on purpose to entertain (like her shitty "new greeting"), and so she is beloved by everyone.

Kiara is just as boastful and rude, but she is not playing a character. She hates losing, she hates being mocked by her chat and heavily berates them when they do. She comes off as truly self centered and bratty and not in a comedic way.

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>>7864722
That's a good point I guess.

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>>7864722
actually they are both boastful, rude, hate being mocked by chat and are self-centered. But one is a westerner and the other is japanese and culturally those manifest a bit differently.

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Kiara's personality is nothing like Pekora's
Masturi is like JP Kiara, although that's a bit of an insult to Kiara

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>>7864722
love the ごめんね〜 whenever she is wrong

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Fags thinking being a numberfag is a bad thing. She is the only holo who is motivated to stream a lot because she have a goal. Others are getting burnouts and taking breaks left and right while she continue streaming even tho she have a sore throat. And even tho she have a sore throat, she still streams enthusiastic and screams as if she doesnt have one.

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>>7864814
>How to say i'm an EOP without saying it
Least you can do is go watch some SEAnig clipfag

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>>7864814
Nah, Pekora loves the char culture she cultivated. No matter the game, the zatsudan, or singing, the main dynamic is her "fighting" her chat, constantly asking them questions about things to set up jokes. But whenever Peko is any sort of percieved distress, Nousagis are supportive as fuck.

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>>7864900
all she streams are shitty JRPGs

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>>7864900
>And even tho she have a sore throat, she still streams enthusiastic and screams as if she doesnt have one.
So much for half-quiet stream

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>all she streams are shitty JRPGs

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>>7864551
Her design is cuter than Kiara's.

Unlike Kiara who's an extrovert, loud and monopolize the attention during collabs, Pekora doesn't try to show off and is usually quiet when there's a lot of people in the call.

When comparing their Yakuza 7 playthrough, Pekora is a lot more invested in the story, get emotional and care for what happens to the characters. This is very important and it shows in the number. Her single player RPG viewership doesn't decrease as fast.

And of course, Pekora does GFE, it's rare enough to make her very cute compared to her usual self.

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>>7864722
>She hates losing, she hates being mocked by her chat and heavily berates them when they do.
You know how I can tell you don't watch Kiara's streams? Because everything you just said is wrong. Congratulations on being a complete faggot Anon.

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>>7864923
you actually know japanese? Pekora is streaming right now, why are you arguing with retards on this basket weaving forum instead of focusing on Peko?

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>>7865026
pffff

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>>7864923
>>How to say i'm an EOP without saying it
stop projecting

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>>7865050
You know that people can shitpost here while watching a stream, right ?

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>>7865050
he doesn't he's just an EOP trying to blend in with the crowd

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>>7865071
Prove me wrong instead of making retarded noises. You can't.

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>>7865156
Ah, not only a kfptard, but a newfag too. Do your reps.

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>>7863417
Gura doesn't even compete when it comes to hours watched, which is the metric these comparisons use.

Pekora is flatly ahead of her in the category that counts (read: Makes money). Subs are irrelevant to this.

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>>7865092
yeah I know but writing all these long paragraphs about how great Pekora is compared to others while Pekora herself is streaming makes you look retarded. If Pekora is so great (I am sure she is) you should be putting all your focus on watching and interacting with her, instead of tribalfagging

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>>7865084
こちらの台詞だ。言語知らなけらばペラペラするな、さらにささっと黙ってくれよ、EOP-さん

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>>7865240
anon, double monitors exists...

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>>7865220
>I invite you to prove me wrong
>you don't even try
It's okay Anon I accept your surrender.

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>>7865325
I already did. You're just too much of a newfag to get it

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>>7865309
yet you seem more focused on this one

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>>7865410
heresy
They are mortal enemies

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I'm glad Peko is doing well, she and Marine are the JPs who earned their subs through hard work and dedication rather than getting lucky with meme clips (Korone and Fubuki)

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>>7865410
multi-tasking exists anon, i'm typing, repping nihongo,repping english, curling, reading a short novel, doing your mom simultaneously rn

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>>7865500
>NO EEKUM BOKUM AND SCATMAN IS BIG FUNNI!!11!

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>>7865084
it's actually believable that he can speak japanese. Once you do, you realize that just because they are japanese doesn't mean they are much better than EN or ID holos, hence why anon seems to enjoy more shitposting here than watching streams. JP purist here are mainly clipwatchers with a distorted perception. The same happens with JOPs on 5ch, they think the EN girls are amazing because they don't know much about them

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>>7865627
I don't know why you guys have to big brain this. She's basically doing a zatsudan so we listen to her like a podcast/radio while playing games or shitposting

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>>7865627
not really, just that the stream today is a arduously grindy one where the main part is she talking and telling story, unlike a mc stream for example

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>>7865734
>zatsudan
this is the word i was looking for, thanks

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>>7864358
that means that gura is only being watched by indoneans and many subbed but never actually watch her streams

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>>7863777
>Like Ayame
Absolutely and constantly rent free lmao

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>>7866004
wtf do westerners even watch then? in terms of vtubers

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>>7866004
>>7866043
It means that (as has been speculated before) her subs are spread across a huge range of timezones and a lot can't catch her live, unlike Pekora's who are mostly on JST. So they watch VODs instead of streams. The fact that Gura's average view lead on Pekora almost directly matches her sub lead on her would indicate this to be the case.

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>>7863417
> Trying to stream more on Twitch to compete with Pokimane / Amouranthe / etc

She'll never beat them unless she learns English.

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>>7865232
Eat some nacho fires, they are limited edition

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>>7866091
i'm watching her rn and it's like 2 am, i'm sure if you really wanna watch someone, you could always make time but sure your theory has a lot of credibility

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>>7865232
hmm, so Youtube monetizes based on hours watched now instead of view counts?

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>>7866091
I got into pekora with her MGS streams, that in my timezone were from 0:00 to 5-7:00am.

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>>7866237
>>7866317
It's safe to say a significant number of 1 to 3+ million people are casuals who won't and/or can't bend their sleep schedules around chuubas. Neets and gachikois are the minority, we probably make up less than 1% of any given chuuba's subcount, realistically speaking.

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>>7863941
1 it was a joke
2 I compared her to two garbage streamers who are total counts which she is sandwiched between implying she is the same as them
3 don't reply to bait you stupid nigger JOP

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>>7866317
>MGS streams
Lucky...

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>>7866237
>>7866317
>>7866379
Also I said sleep schedules, but come to think of it work/school/college/other normalfag IRL time-consuming shit also comes into play. There's a lot of stuff that could interfere with the opportunity to actually catch streams live.

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>>7864452
Amazing how you number facts always get your numbers wrong......

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>>7866383
To the date they're still the best vtuber streams I've ever seen, the fact that they're lost forever is a crime against humanity as a whole, back in the day having almost 60k live viewers on a game stream was unheard of.

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>>7863777
pokimane looks so average

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>>7866569
i've heard praise for the stream alot, was she performance outstanding or just the usual absurd rabbit luck?

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>Amazing how you number facts always get your numbers wrong......

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>>7864344
she still looks ugly

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>>7864480
based

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>>7866608
She played on easy and was pretty bad at it, however she got REALLY involved into the history lore and characters, she got amazed she laughed, fangirled and cried in everysingle game, Seeing her react to the entire world of MGS for the very first time was something really unique.

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>>7864633
>Pekora fluent at English
I really, really want to hear it. I want to watch that stream.

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>>7867038
what would it be like, what would she sound like? will we have a second Gura?

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>>7864722
I'll never forget the early days when Kiara was spending time on her stream complaining and crying about her lack of success compared to her genmates etc rather than actually entertain her audience. This wasn't a bit or part of her character, it was her real selfish and spiteful lolcow self shining through the cracks of her shitty design. I never managed to move past that. It really showed what kind of person she truly is.

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>>7867215
Gura's my favourite, but realistically an eigo jouzu Pekora would mog her. Pekora hits all the right notes for a streamer, if she could speak English she'd go straight to the top no question. The raw 'energy' would blaze through, her formula is one of the most consistent, forceful, and charismatic of any streamer today. The fact she's a numberfag unironically helps; people are naturally drawn to the driven and competent.

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>>7867411
it was only a few months back at best, did she better herself, or rather better concealing it?

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>>7867471
Based Chumbud. Your oshi's Outlast streams weren't half bad

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>>7865290
>知らなけらば
Struggling N4 here, isn't that ら supposed to be れ?

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>>7863417
Pekora might not be my favorite Holo but you have to admit her dedication, she doesn't take breaks, she streams a lot of hours and sometimes she streams 2 times a day, it's like a tryhard indie that tries to stream a lot to get somewhat famous but being already one of the top streamers in the world, her dedication and hunger have no limits, this year she's probably going to surpass Pokimane making it to the top 2.
Good work Pekora, good work, a lot of Hololive/Nijisanji members should learn a thing or 2

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>>7868386
fuck you got me, how's the kanjis going for ya?

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>>7867566
As someone who actually likes Kiara, one of her flaws is that she really wants to play a character like her oshi but can't fully commit to the bit. Every time I feel like she's getting better at playing a character, she shoots her self in the foot like with all the recent bottom left stuff. Pekora never gets mad at her fans over the "comedian, not idol" stuff and plays into it.

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>>7864344
Then they'll be competing on Peko's home turf. Bring it on.

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>>7868501
>>7863777
isn't this one the latest?

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>>7868639
It might be, then I meant Valkyrae not Pokimane, IDK, I don't watch those girls I'm just a tourist koronesuki

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>>7868584
>Pekora never gets mad at her fans over the "comedian, not idol" stuff and plays into it.
Has she ever been explicitly genuinely angry at chat? Most of the time it's just for shits and giggles

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>>7868683
I don't watch her often so I don't know, but she even dealt with this shit like a consummate professional.

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>>7868610
they should just learn from pokimane's trainwreck and not to touch it ever again

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>>7868759
lel i remember this faggot, even had the balls to brag about it later too, and yeah being a long time streamer really helped her dealing with these things professionally

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>>7868578
Doing my reps atm while taking a walk. I have around 400 memorised, but I couldn't recognise like 2/6 of the kanji you used so I still have a long ways to go

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>>7868972
not bad, how long have it been since you started? Also i supposed ur done with kata n hira right?

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>>7868683
I think the closest she's ever been to being genuinely angry at her chat was when they "pranked" her by saying Flare had passed out on stream or something. The details of exactly what chat said escape me at the time, but the said something had happened to her at least.

Pekora got extremely worried and panicked before chat admitted that they weren't serious. IIRC Flare herself popped into the chat to say she was fine.

She never outright yelled at them or anything, but you could tell afterwards that she was, understandably, pissed off and told them not to do that kind of thing again.

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>>7863417
>The only only Holo who openly proclaims that she wants to be the #1 female streamer in the world.
Literally will never happen as long as her English remains kindergarten level.

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>Literally will never happen as long as her English remains kindergarten level.

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>>7869523
Well.... Check picrel.
I had a tutor for 10 months (-30 to -20) during which time I studied consistently and passed N5 and N4 easily. After that, a combination of burnout, covid and the tutor getting pregnant led to me stopping my reps for like a year and a half. Been busting my ass the past month since I got a surge of motivation, and I'm hoping to keep this up. Aiming to try for N3 next summer.
>kata/hira
I'd done those during high school like 5 years ago when I was bored in summer, along with 70ish basic kanji. Still brushing up on them though

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>>7870126
She spoke english few weeks back in her stream and it was amazingly great compared to what it was before

She is actually studying and is making rapid progress

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>>7870653
in terms of jap, i'd say ur better than 90% of this board already lul. Personally i did all hira/kata and N5 kanjis in highschool. Started self-learning around 6 months ago, getting through half N2 kanjis now, but on and off. ESL so got English to polish as well. Also what do you do for speaking? i'm only good at reading plus writing, failed jap in highschool cuz reading :(

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>>7863417
why aim at anyone else in the way if reaching her goal means passing them anyway?

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>>7871704
While compare to her spoken english, the lack of grammar is apparent, she has adequate affinity for sentences comprehension and pronunciation of words, really hope she picks English up and invest the time

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>>7872946
#sigmagrindset

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>>7868639
>the remainder one
lmao stop being bitches and use her name, or the fact that she's an anime bunny whose content is constantly advertised as "made for children", come on i fucking dare you, pussies

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>>7873085
Huh, i just noticed even in the previous ones they never explicitly mentioned her name, copyright issues?

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>>7873203
Youtube and Susan hate anime, and hope it will die

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>>7873239
>susan
most punchable face, is she a fucking jew?

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>>7863539
Why do you type like a retard?

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>>7873471
try to make us scroll more

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>>7873471
>Why do you type like a retard?
Because OP was being more of a faggot than usual and I was passing out hard from heat and alcohol at the time, to make a long story short.
Like the entire post is just so thoroughly retarded and unmedicated in the least enjoyable way.
>>7873011
>>7870126
Alice in Wonderland reading stream would be fun i think.

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>>7873683
kek are people on this board constantly in a state of exhaustion and delirium, always on the brink of passing out either in the thread or their oshi's stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7873047
Hey, I recognize that rule of acquisition.

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>>7873823
>kek are people on this board constantly in a state of exhaustion and delirium, always on the brink of passing out either in the thread or their oshi's stream?
Not like most oshis are much better.
But yeah now that you think about it that seems to be a thing. I guess it's the kind of entertainment you don't get into if you're not prone to a certain level of being out of it.
Outside of clip watchers but we try to not talk about them.

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>>7864551
Pekora is a fun character to watch and interact with when she plays games, she's extremely smug whenever she's winning but she's not good at games. She's an easy target for teasing, she knows that and she's a good sport about it. Watch her play clubhouse to get a quick glimpse of what a lot of her viewers love about her.

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>>7863777
It is time for 3D to subside. Pekora is the light that continues to rise from our horizon. Soon to eclipse everyone, and they will mourn with their defeat for all they'll hear is her laugh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7863417
People have allegiances to Japanese anime girls decades later. They'll move on from gura eventually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7874239
i'd say the only drawback to watching her stream is the amounnt of VODs, timezone (if ur unlucky) and of course the nihongoreps if you happened to be an EOP or ESL

[Anonymous No.]

>>7868639
That's Q2.
The other chart was YTD.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7864265
>Edit: wow, didn't expect this to blow up
go baxk to reddit fag

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>>7872910
Also ESL (Greek) but I learn most stuff in English anyway, its easier.
>speaking
Other than reading out the kanji and vocab as I'm learning it, not much lmao. I'll worry about that later

[Anonymous No.]

>>7878387
Fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7864578
>>7864471
SUBNUT

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>>7863417
Checking numbers somehow means she’s a megalomaniac hell bent on controlling the world. She probably checked to see her performance like anyone would.

Give me ONE (1) piece of real evidence that Pekora is a numbersfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7864551
Pakora is a loony toons character: highly energetic, quick to become boastful and prideful, just as quick to fail and get upset. But she’s self aware and plays the character well. No one else really does that, either they don’t play the character or their skin is too thin and they can’t maintain it and get actually angry. Pekora will cry and scream and shout but never loses her lightheartedness.

[Anonymous No.]

what's next after usaken festival?
i know this shrewd bunny is up to something

[Anonymous No.]

>>7874346
A lot of people still associate their favorite anime girls with their dub voices rather than the original nip ones, so that logic doesn't really apply here. I sure do with Ryoko, over 20 years later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7863499
Based

[Anonymous No.]

In the best way possible, Pekora would make the best villain in a hololive game/anime/manga. She has the sigma male grindset, the laugh, and the numberfag desire to be the best. It could only be her or yagoo

[Anonymous No.]

>>7890317
But pekora plays a character in a way gura does not, the voice is not important. Pekoras persona will live far after she graduates, you cant say the same thing remotely about gura

[Anonymous No.]

>>7890574
Not really, both have very distinct personas, one just happens to be more cartoonish than the other. They both have significant post-graduation longevity potential.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7890854
Anon, it is not potential if you have already achieved it. Guras potential is what has to be shown for longevity. Pekora is already Iconic in the vtuber scene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7891203
Potential as in lasting post-graduation, obviously. Gura's already reached icon status, for that matter, but what lasts post-graduation is largely speculation at this stage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7873352
what do you fucking think, numbnuts.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>7891565
>Gura's already reached icon status, for that matter
Views/subs dont make you an icon. Korone is a bigger icon than gura easily and world wide possibly pekora.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7893212
>Views/subs dont make you an icon
Okay, what makes you an icon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7883447
Don't take it too seriously. People who dislike/hate Pekora will use anything and everything, even if it's something as trivial as one word, as an opportunity to attack her and bait her fans. "Numberfag" is just one of those things.

Anyone who's not mentally ill knows that all the holos check their numbers regularly and there's nothing wrong with that, especially when their job is directly related to numbers. For some of them it's their sole income, so checking their numbers to see how they're doing is normal and is actually a good, and smart, thing to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7893289
Being iconic

[Anonymous No.]

>>7893289
I like gura but Pekora has mainstream media oji's simping for her and Korone has the streets of rage music composer simping for her as examples.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7893351
I like pekora. Her being a numberfag and wanting to be number 1 makes me like her even more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7864219
just have her say nigga again and she'll be fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>7893528
True. She's pretty darn based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7878387
What manner of mental retardation is this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7893439
Well Gura's success can pretty soundly attributed to her being a breakout success with unique appeal and as such iconic.

>>7893509
Sugita and Koshiro are based but I don't think having mainstream personalities as fans is a particlarly viable metric when vtubers are more commonly appreciated in Japan as opposed to being a relatively new niche in the west.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7893737
Anon, She is popular because she is a loli shark. Nothing against her, being sen helped a bit but dont pretend its anything more than that. A single video Sen made is more iconic than Guras career up to this point if we are being real.
https://youtu.be/h6DNdop6pD8

[Anonymous No.]

>>7893943
I wasn't aware people were still pushing this angle. Gura is naturally cute with an endearing youthful voice which helps with her loli persona, but then the same can be said for Pekora's natural charms helping her rascally rabbit persona, or Korone's energetic sweetness aiding her adorable dog persona. All the most iconic chuubas are well-matched to their personas, that's part of what makes them successful, so it's kind of meaningless to say "she's only popular because of it" when it applies to everyone. The sen argument is even more meaningless when she surpassed herself in less than two months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7894380
Im not saying she makes worse content as gura, I think the opposite, sen’s shit is cringe to me. But we were talking about what makes someone iconic, not whether or not they were a good streamer/entertainer. To give you an example if you watch twitch streamers, Xqc is a better streamer than Tyler1 or Drdisrespect, but both of them are more iconic then he will ever be, because their image and character is much more memorable and long-lasting. Gura could be the best streamer in hololive, but pekora and korone are easily more “famous”. Again this is not a negative, but with her personality, I personally dont think she will ever be near as memorable large scale as some other chuubas. Hell i actually dislike her as an entertainer and I would say mori is more iconic than gura.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>7895082
>Gura could be the best streamer in hololive, but pekora and korone are easily more “famous”.
Again, you're not really making a clear criteria, so far all that's been said is having Japanese mainstream personality fans which doesn't really corelate to a western standard. All I'm getting from you is a very subjective take on the issue. Using various excuses to invalidate her genuine massive popularity doesn't help, either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7895480
gura hasn't said nigga, please keep up

[Anonymous No.]

>>7893943
>>7894380
>>7895082
>>7895480
>Naruto vs One Piece in the year of our Lord 2021
One's the biggest in the west, one's the biggest in the east. That's pretty much it. They're both the "most iconic".
Pekora is not at all iconic or that memorable outside this board in English speaking general fandom. She loses out to all of EN, Miko, Haachama, Coco and Korone. Probably on par or slightly below Marine, though above Rushia. And yes, Gura is at the top of that list.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7878387
congrats, you're the dumbest person on 4chan today. that's really something anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7863417
Gura is too lazy to be considered competition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7895711
>Haachama
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>vtubing without Pekora
"fuck that whore Mio"

>vtubing without Gura
One fewer viral moment

[Anonymous No.]

>>7895588
Thank god for that.

>>7895711
I literally never said Pekora isn't iconic or even that she's less iconic than Gura, I was trying to find out what the hell doesn't make "Gura" iconic when they actually both are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7895842
>I literally never said Pekora isn't iconic or even that she's less iconic than Gura, I was trying to find out what the hell doesn't make "Gura" iconic when they actually both are.
I know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7895842
>doesn't make Gura "iconic"
*Fixed, weird brainfart on those inverted commas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7895896
Fair enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>Pekora is not at all iconic or that memorable outside this board in English speaking general fandom. She loses out to all of EN, Miko, Haachama, Coco and Korone. Probably on par or slightly below Marine, though above Rushia. And yes, Gura is at the top of that list.

Suck a dick miko you dumb dyke

[Anonymous No.]

>>7895774
She's even more iconic than Pekora /here/, where people should know better. The only are anons talk about Pekora for regularly are her ogeys and getting raped by Migo.

[Anonymous No.]

>She's even more iconic than Pekora /here/, where people should know better. The only are anons talk about Pekora for regularly are her ogeys and getting raped by Migo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7896219
I guarantee if you asked internet normies which one they knew between Pekora and 3 month hiatus girl, they'd pick Pekora.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7863417
i really like the feet in this image

[Anonymous No.]

>>7896219
things I know about Pekora from /vt/
>ogey
>rrat

things I know about Haachama from /vt/

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>>7896409

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>>7896381
Nah. For better or worse, Haato's schizo arcs and English content were pretty huge in the English fanbase.
>>7896444
Welcome to /vt/. You can start with the search bar, where Pekora has 38k results, Haachama with 38.7k and Haato with 11.6k
Or you can check the archives to find threads of people bitching about or celebrating her content. As in, what she actually does on stream, unlike Pekora. And that's with a 3 month hiatus.

[Anonymous No.]

>redditorchan please suck a dick onegaishimasu

[Anonymous No.]

>>7896725
say this entirely in japanese or i don't respect you

[Anonymous No.]

>say this entirely in japanese or i don't respect you

[Anonymous No.]

>>7863417
hey pekofags.
any of you got more images of sexy pekos in barefeet that aren't the footfag type images where its in your face.
just tasteful like OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>7872910
Go search for some moonlanders on VRChat or something like that. Easy way to do speaking reps.

[Anonymous No.]

>studied nipponese for a year
>can understand anime and most Vtubers
>can't read
spoken japanese is hilariously simplified compared to their written language

[Anonymous No.]

>>7897333
Easier to read for me desu senpai.
And I'm not even Chinese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7897355
How does that work for you? My brain practically hemorrhages Kanji, but can remember vocabulary just fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7895799
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>7896219
Delusional

[Anonymous No.]

>>7896219
>>7895711
>>7895480
You retards dont get the diffrence between popularity and being iconic
>pekora
>laugh iconic
>voice iconic
>personality iconic
>catchphrases iconic
>verbal “tic” iconic
>both introductions iconic
>part of an iconic gen
>interactions with chat iconic
>comedic timing iconic
>numberfag iconic
>friendships iconic
>design iconic
>costume iconic
>memes iconic
>streaming dedication Iconic
>/ourgirl/ and guaranteed 2chans girl iconic

>gura
>loli
>shark vtuber i guess kind of iconic
>friendship with ame, i guess iconic but not really
>music and singing
>feet on table
>x3 nuzzles pounces on you ICONIC

[Anonymous No.]

>>7898169
The vast majority of ones you listed for Pekora also apply to Gura, which you'd know if you'd watched her or even seen the many clips or fancontent referencing them.

[Anonymous No.]

how will Pekora handle it when Mori passes her in subs before the end of August?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7898476
>laugh iconic
its not
>voice iconic
its not
>personality iconic
its not
>catchphrases iconic
dont know any so their not
>verbal “tic” iconic
>introduction iconic
its not
>part of an iconic gen
I will give you this one
>interactions with chat iconic
its not
>comedic timing iconic
its not
>numberfag iconic
shes not
>friendships iconic
I will give you this one but not really
>design iconic
sure
>costume iconic
its not
>memes iconic
no
>streaming dedication Iconic
not really
>/ourgirl/ and guaranteed 2chans girl iconic
she isnt
Again I have nothing against her, just saying the truth

[Anonymous No.]

>>7898686
>I don't watch her so it doesn't count: The Post
Here's your free ogey.

[Anonymous No.]

>7898686
migo pls

[Anonymous No.]

Rabbits are white
And same are blue.
One day we'll meet
In the merged server sku.
It's white versus white
And blue versus blue
It's I against I
And me against you...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7898725
If she was iconic, I wouldn't need to watch her to know these things, that's the point. If you browse VT or watch holoJP you know all of those things I listed, you don't need to watch pekora to know pekora, because she is ICONIC

[Anonymous No.]

ooh lala. This is quite a spicy fight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7898799
>If she was iconic, I wouldn't need to watch her to know these things, that's the point.
You've got to be kidding if you think there are people who recognize any of those things about Pekora without even seeing her do them at least once.
>If you browse VT or watch holoJP you know all of those things I listed
No, you'll see them and then blank them because they don't mean anything to you. Same as you won't notice when people reference Gura's own variants. Gura turned a sodding letter into a meme in her debut alone that's one of the most ridiculously trending Holo-related aspects despite it meaning absolutely nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7898565
I don't get how Mori, the sub 6k viewers streamer, is growing at such speed

[Anonymous No.]

>>7898836
Its not a fight if you have already one, that is what is known as a prolonged victory

[Anonymous No.]

>>7898939
EN advantage.

[Anonymous No.]

>Gura turned a sodding letter into a meme in her debut alone that's one of the most ridiculously trending Holo-related aspects despite it meaning absolutely nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7898939
Music. Same reason Gura isn't listed in >>7863777, they're both categorized as music channels rather than gaming channels, but Mori's music gives her a pretty big pull.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899035
Ah yes, the old greentexting without making a counterpoint approach. Worried about getting banned for posting wojaks with it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7898898
>You've got to be kidding if you think there are people who recognize any of those things about Pekora without even seeing her do them at least once.
I dont which is why I said "If you browse VT or watch holoJP". If you don't hear about pekora from watching her, you will hear about it from other members. The same cannot be said for gura.
>No, you'll see them and then blank them because they don't mean anything to you.
This is not an argument, you cannot escape pekoras image.
I am not saying pekora is a better streamer or person, denying she is far more iconic is delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899035
I will give him that one, her saying A is probably the most iconic thing she has done or ever will do.

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>7899058

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899137
Always kek at this
They actually forgot Kuzuha.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899101
Pekora is more iconic in Hololive in general, but Gura is more iconic in the EN community where your average viewer have no idea who Sora is.
The other anon has a fair point if he's talking exclusively about the western community.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899101
>you will hear about it from other members
You'll maybe get some of them, like the laugh.
>The same cannot be said for gura.
Same amount as Pekora, certainly from EN and the JPs who watch her.
>This is not an argument, you cannot escape pekoras image.
Depends on what you mean by escape, Korone has more promoted content than Pekora, for example.
>I am not saying pekora is a better streamer or person, denying she is far more iconic is delusional.
Once again, I never said one is more iconic than the other, you're thinking of the other guy, the original argument is that Gura isn't iconic, which is false.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7863777
How did they calculate the watched hours? That's not publicly available.

Did they calculate it by multiplying the view count by the length of the stream? If so, do all of those people who stop by for 3 minutes count for several hours each?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7897525
Not him, but I learned how to write the jouyoukanji. The sheer trauma that inflicted made it so my kanji knowledge is greater than my actual vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899137
>>7863890
In conclusion Pekora just streams a lot more than Gura.

[Anonymous No.]

>6.8 million hours of people watching in a span of 90 days

>she just streams alot

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899137
I hate to be doomposting, but I can't believe Hololive is declining THIS much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899184
>Gura is more iconic in the EN community where your average viewer have no idea who Sora is.
>The other anon has a fair point if he's talking exclusively about the western community.
I have yet to see EN only viewers that don't even watch holoJP clips, I was not aware that was even a sect of people. If those people exist, physically not knowing of someone's existence is not a sign they are more iconic, other then in their circle. If I only listened to rock and never listened to hip hop, I would think Ozzy Osbourne is way more iconic than someone like Kanye even If it was incorrect, again having no baring on the quality of their content or character. You could say Ozzy Osbourne is more iconic in rock music, but we are talking about music, not a portion of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899286
She also gets a lot more average viewers as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899341
Yes, her total average is less than half of Gura's, so that would be the reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899372
She doesn't, see >>7863890.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899342
This was from 2021 Q1, Korone, Aqua, Gura and even Pekora took some time off.

I was more surprised Pekora was in the + considering this was compared to Q4, when was streaming Minecraft with Moona to average 40K+
Also, Hal was hosting the big Apex tournament that Kanae and Kuzuha were in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899408
ohh, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899231
>You'll maybe get some of them, like the laugh.
You would also get the voice, tic, catchphrases, intros, personality, interactions with chat and character
>Same amount as Pekora, certainly from EN and the JPs who watch her.
I don't know what you mean by this
>Depends on what you mean by escape, Korone has more promoted content
Her traits, aspects about her are mentioned more frequently among HoloJP then any other member easily.
>the original argument is that Gura isn't iconic, which is false
The only 2 things that come to mind are her saying the letter "a" which was a forced meme, and her rapping a furry copypasta which is also a forced meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899351
>I have yet to see EN only viewers that don't even watch holoJP clips
So the 1.5 million+ subs Gura has over her peers aren't real? How far are you fags going to push the dead subs meme? There were faggots in Ame's con meet who literally only knew Gura and Mori, that's just how things are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899392
I think she does Chumbud, i think she does.
Best to pick your battles

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899376
Dude dunno if it really needs to be spelled out because it's really simple. Having more vod viewers and less hours watched is a sign that people leave early.

Is a large difference too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899392
>>7899376
are those vod views?, pekora always seems to have more live viewers

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899480
>dead subs meme
>meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>7879281
>Other than reading out the kanji and vocab as I'm learning it, not much lmao. I'll worry about that later
Never had a shot at JLPT, according to your words, N4 in terms of doesn't seem to require that much of grammar knowledge?

[Anonymous No.]

>11 days a week

She's so good to us

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899474
>You would also get the voice, tic, catchphrases, intros, personality, interactions with chat and character
How? How would you get any of those from other JP streams if she isn't there?
>I don't know what you mean by this
The ENs and JPs reference Gura as well.
>Her traits, aspects about her are mentioned more frequently among HoloJP then any other member easily.
M8 I actually watch the JPs including Pekora and have never seen actual evidence of this.
>which was a forced meme
Not an argument
>The only 2 things that come to mind
Character design, singing voice and songs, retard math, hoocha, SHAR-HAR-HARK, "Are ya winning watson?" (this actually has disputably surpassed the original at this point), and a whole slew of other stuff that she's downplayed. You can't fight the actual numbers when the fancontent gets produced for her, to say nothing of entire JP channels dedicated to subbing 1 minute clips of her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7893439
fucking fair point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899486
Total views != Live views

>>7899492
>Having more vod viewers and less hours watched is a sign that people leave early.
No, it's a sign that lots of people can't catch her live across a massive range of timezones.

>>7899522
See above.

>>7899551
More than double Pekora's average views, which corresponds to her sub lead on Pekore. QED she has no more dead subs than Pekora.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899610
>How? How would you get any of those from other JP streams if she isn't there?
retardchama
>The ENs and JPs reference Gura as well.
Infrequently if ever, Ive only ever heard people do the a shit
>M8 I actually watch the JPs including Pekora and have never seen actual evidence of this.
picrel
>>which was a forced meme, Not an argument
True, but it was forced
>Character design
bland and uninspired
>singing voice and songs
generic white woman voice, sings like a college student with a guitar on the campus
>retard math
Fair
>hoocha
Never heard of it
>SHAR-HAR-HARK
try again
>"Are ya winning watson?" (this actually has disputably surpassed the original at this point)
Delusional beyond repair, if you unironically believe this you need to take a break from vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899688
>which corresponds to her sub lead on Pekore
Anon, hers subs did not come from her having more average viewers

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899688
Pekora get's 1/3rd the amount of vod views per day.
Gura has 1/3rd the amount of hours watched as Pekora.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7898771
The ultimate chuuba
>>7898964
i think i got one with higher res

[Anonymous No.]

Pekora is literally the Pelé of vtubing.

Gura can compete against any other girl except her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7863417
Gura isn't even top 5 in hololive when it comes to hours watched or live views. Gura is basically a regular holomem but with 2.5 million dead subs. Marine is more of a threat than Gura.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899719
Wow, I've literally never heard that new phrase, weird. Not a great example considering most people will barely know konpeko from other JPs.
>Infrequently if ever, Ive only ever heard people do the a shit
See above.
>True
Then don't act like it's an argument.
>bland and uninspired
Weird cope.
>generic white woman voice, sings like a college student with a guitar on the campus
Very weird cope, see her live views for her karaoke streams.
>Never heard of it
>try again
See above.
>Delusional beyond repair, if you unironically believe this you need to take a break from vtubers
With respect to its original use being for Roberu, obviously, but you did know that, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899486
>Average 3 days a week
Chumbuds have it hard so be nice to them

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899486
>11 streams a week
wow pekora really is a neet

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899752
Anon, her having twice as many views means that she's getting the same percentage views per sub as Pekora. This isn't complicated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899878
Good, so that the door to her room will always be opened by her mom

[Anonymous No.]

>wow pekora really is a neet

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899841
>>7899878
>Works 1/4 as hard for more than 1/2 the views
How does the dumb shark get away with it?

[Anonymous No.]

>How does the dumb shark get away with it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899951
i don't think she'd pull the same number with the same gimmick in JP

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899838
>Wow, I've literally never heard that new phrase
because you are a newfag
>See above.
I said above is not well known at all
>Then don't act like it's an argument.
If your memes are forced they fade really quick
>Weird cope.
Pekoras design is better, more charming and more iconic you cope
>Very weird cope, see her live views for her karaoke streams.
See the reaction of a white womans friend group when she sings soullessly on the college campus, it will be exactly what you see in her live chat
>See above.
see what, theres nothing but delusion and retardation
>With respect to its original use being for Roberu, obviously, but you did know that, right?
The original meme is more iconic, and roberus meme is more iconic, How does it feel to have your 3m+ oshi's meme snubbed out by a holostar?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899992
She'd have a JST consolidated following if she were JP, so that's a moot point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7899999
>because you are a newfag
Been here since Scattoman, not an argument.
>I said above is not well known at all
Still not an argument.
>If your memes are forced they fade really quick
No, if you let them go like Gura did then they'll die quick. Pekora forcing her tics is the opposite of this.
>Pekoras design is better, more charming and more iconic you cope
There really isn't a metric for this, but if you really think the 3 million sub shark doesn't have a popular design then I don't know how to help you.
>See the reaction of a white womans friend group when she sings soullessly on the college campus, it will be exactly what you see in her live chat
Your projecting doesn't do anything against hard numbers.
>see what, theres nothing but delusion and retardation
The whole "I haven't heard it" argument is moot, since it applies to both parties.
>and roberus meme is more iconic
Now who's delusional? Check the figures and get back to me.

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>>7899917
why do you keep jerking off to my posts

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>>7899999
>because you are a newfag
how the fuck does he not know this, the memes originates from the manga Kingdom and a dozen of JP has mimicked it.
>Pekoras design is better, more charming and more iconic you cope
God i fucking wish shark have either kept and/or did modifications off of that old Sen model, that one was great.
>The original meme is more iconic, and roberus meme is more iconic, How does it feel to have your 3m+ oshi's meme snubbed out by a holostar?
Never heard of the watson thing, expect for one instance of a 10 second-ish animated thing, the Roberu meme was so well-known i knew him as the "winning son" at first.

Also fucking quint.

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>>7900098
Stop replying to yourself.

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>>7900071
>No, if you let them go like Gura
>Drop games
>Drop songs
>Can't even keep up a meme literally made of a letter
see >>7864504

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>>7900147
That wasn't me, just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean their samefagging faggot

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>>7900147
>someone is agreeing with the person i'm arguing with bearing a different opinion!
>He must be samefagging!
Do your logic reps

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>>7900098
>he Roberu meme was so well-known i knew him as the "winning son" at first.
Have you tried going anywhere outside of /vt/? The views for the watson animation and their variants dwarf all of Roberu's including his original stream.

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>>7900206
>>7900242
Sorry, I'd like to think there couldn't be more than one person this fucking retarded, never mind.

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>>7900250
>Popular kid screaming the same joke but louder
ogey
If you really care about your oshi, go and SC her, telling her to invest more in this whole streaming thing

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I wasn't even aware that "winning Watson" was a variation of the "winning son" meme.
At least the winning son meme is still ongoing.

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>>7900198
>Switching from not iconic argument to "she's lazy" as the defacto argument
Concession accepted, I suppose.

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>>7900267
idk anon, if everything everyone is doing is disagreeing with you, there's a low chance that you're enlightened

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>>7900291
Dedicated fans willing to make content from whimsical bullshit is not "screaming louder". Also:
>She's popular but not iconic
Do you even know what the argument was about in the first place?

>>7900323
Two idiots != everyone.

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>>7900071
>Been here since Scattoman, not an argument.
You didn't know a common vt phrase, you are a newfag
>Still not an argument.
I am telling you the things you are saying are iconic are not iconic, I have genuinely never heard of them.
>No, if you let them go like Gura did then they'll die quick. Pekora forcing her tics is the opposite of this.
Pekoras tic part of her character, its not a forced meme you fucking baboon. Gura couldn't keep using "a" because it would be cringe as hell. In defense of her, the people forced it into a meme not her.
>Your projecting doesn't do anything against hard numbers.
How would that be projecting in any way? Numbers doesn't equal good or iconic numberfag stop ignoring what has been said previously.
>The whole "I haven't heard it" argument is moot, since it applies to both parties.
I have not heard of those memes, everyone has heard of pekora's. you can cope and say you haven't but you know you're lying to yourself.
>Now who's delusional? Check the figures and get back to me.
Numberfag can only speak numbers, Roberu is more known for are you winning than gura is.

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>>7900335
>iconic
Gura is pretty replacable, anon
>>7900339
Gura literally bares minimum outstanding characteristics nor personality, how is she amassing all this success? SEA inlfux? COVID? Absolutely appaling.

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>>7900339
>You didn't know a common vt phrase, you are a newfag
>vt phrase
Fuck off, I've been here since /jp/ was a new board, you don't get to tell me what is or isn't newfag material.
>I am telling you the things you are saying are iconic are not iconic, I have genuinely never heard of them.
Your dedicated ignorance is none of my concern, Gura's "hoocha" streams are some of her highest viewcount ones and the watson fananimation has 2.5 million views, not counting the variants.
>Pekoras tic part of her character, its not a forced meme you fucking baboon
Here's a tip, if you perpetuate something into a character trait, that is forced by the individual. See also Mori's GUH and Kiara's own self-regret over Bottom Left.
>How would that be projecting in any way? Numbers doesn't equal good or iconic numberfag stop ignoring what has been said previously.
So you're just going to argue subjective criticism as an actual case? That literally isn't an argument, no one fucking cares that you think Gura's singing sucks when her total performance is more popular (ergo iconic) than the majority of other holos.
>I have not heard of those memes, everyone has heard of pekora's.
See above about your general ignorance, not my problem.
>Roberu is more known for are you winning than gura is.
Wow, an argument like "more than" infers an actual numeric metric...like some kind of numerical value can be used to assess it. But please do keep pushing with arguments that can't actually be measured, it's a really solid case that totally holds up under scrutiny.

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I didn't know people rode Gura's dick this hard on this board. Pointing out someone as a more iconic character/streamer when it is blatantly true shouldn't cause this much of a shitstorm. My oshi isnt even pekora, and she is much less iconic than gura in many ways, doesnt stop her from being infinitely better than her at literally everything else

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>>7900431
>Gura is pretty replacable, anon
>Literally can't understand why she's so popular
Do numbersagis actually have brain defects? Seriously, it's absolutely baffling.

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>>7900446
Numbersagis are annoying and obnoxious, it's difficult to ignore them.

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>>7900462
>numbersagis
But chumbuds are the one numberfagging here as seen in >>7900438
Does number really mean iconic-ness?
Pekora's biggest disadvantage here is that she's JP and not EN. So something a decent amount of JPs and ENs know may not compare to something a whole lot of EN knows.

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>>7900462
>Not even a nousagi
>Even watched and had Gura member before.
Baseless assumption is not good, anon

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>>7900489

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>>7900514
>Can't actually keep up with the argument
Numbersagis shot first, they always do, see >>7863777.
>Does number really mean iconic-ness?
How the fuck are you supposed to measure it in the first place? Every other metric cited has either been useless or moot since Gura meets the criteria.
>Pekora's biggest disadvantage here is that she's JP and not EN
If she were EN she'd suffer from the timezone splits like all of Myth do, so it's a pointless argument, everyone has their advantages and disadvantages. I literally can never catch Ina live because of timezones, for example.

>>7900515
>Membered someone when you don't understand their appeal
I totally believe you and you totally aren't reverting to a falseflag argument to cover your ass.

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>>7900438
>Fuck off, I've been here since /jp/ was a new board, you don't get to tell me what is or isn't newfag material.
If you don't know what a "rrat" is, it doesnt matter if you were fucking yagoo and a chans secret child and started covercorp, you are a newfag or a tourist take your pick.
>Gura's "hoocha" streams are some of her highest viewcount ones and the watson fananimation has 2.5 million views, not counting the variants.
kek
> perpetuate something into a character trait, that is forced by the individual. See also Mori's GUH and Kiara's own self-regret over Bottom Left.
What is your point? I literally said guras A was a forced meme by the community, it is artificially iconic in the same way korones eekum bookum shit is artificially iconic. It is not a part of the character or the streamer, it is an entity made by the public, unlike peko or callis guh shit.
>popular (ergo iconic)
You stupid motherfucker, if you sing like the average white woman, IT DOESNT MATTER IF THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD LISTENS, BECAUSE YOURE AVERAGE. Noel singing shaka fucking beach is more iconic than every gura song ever made, because when Noel sings, ITS NOEL SINGING AND NO ONE
SINGS AS AWFULS AS THAT LOVELY BITCH.
>See above about your general ignorance, not my problem.
No one has heard those memes man, get over it.
>actual numeric metric...like some kind of numerical value can be used to assess it. But please do keep pushing with arguments that can't actually be measured, it's a really solid case that totally holds up under scrutiny.
Your weasly numberfag brain cannot comprehend that viewers do not equal iconic.
If gura belly danced once in 3D, She would get more viewers in one live than Aki has had all together in her entire career, but she would not be known for belly dancing, and aki would be, AKI IS THE ICON OF BELLY DANCING NO MATTER HOW MANY VIEWS GURA GETS. Do you comprehend my words numberfag?
You don't get this through your thick baboon brain and Im gone

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Smart Americans stream in the morning their time.

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>>7900565
>If she were EN she'd suffer from the timezone splits like all of Myth do, so it's a pointless argument
Pekora is a better entertainer than anyone In EN

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>>7900565
>measuring how iconic something is
you can't. this entire argument is pointless
just be proud of what both Gura and Pekora achieved in the streaming scene

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>>7900609
It doesnt need to be measured, it is known.

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>>7900578
>If you don't know what a "rrat" is
I beg your pardon? When was that even mentioned?
>kek
Concession accepted.
>I literally said guras A was a forced meme by the community, it is artificially iconic
So you're saying something she did involuntarily became iconic without any effort on her part, and yet somehow she herself isn't naturally iconic? Are you even listening to yourself?
>*subjectivist rant*
Concession accepted.
>No one has heard those memes except for these figures that outright show that they do
Concession accepted.
>Your weasly numberfag brain cannot comprehend that viewers do not equal iconic.
Then fucking cite a metric that actually holds water you incompetent fuck. Your whole argument hinges on Gura not being iconic because you say so. You have literally nothing to support your case. Say something of actual merit or stop wasting my time.

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>>7900591
this, now go reps nihongo for her, let the EOPs wrestles

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>>7900591
>*more subjective falderal*
I'm seeing a bit of a pattern here.

>>7900609
>you can't
No shit. If only these idiots figured that out back when >>7893289 was posted.

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>>7900714
>EOPs
You wish.

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>>7900788
Call me a fat retard in nipponese right now

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>>7900813
デブカス. Though there isn't really a direct equivalent.

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>>7868610
Peko only has the advantage now because the west is behind the curve in terms of vtubing as a concept, with serious investors still seeing the venture as a joke that isn't worth consideration.
Serious money isn't being put into discovering talents, personal development, funding tech etc to the same degree as the entertainment or music industry.
Code Miko's one of the most famous western vtubers, despite having the personality of a wet sponge, just because she dropped 20k on her setup.
Imagine what billion-dollar company backing a vtubing division can pull off. The quality of talents they could scout would naturally be much higher as the industry becomes more lucrative.

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>>7899581
N5 was incredibly easy, passed it with full marks. N4 I got around 70% by studying for like 2.5 months. Since I had a tutor, we were following the official N4 handbook and doing the content from there. Iirc the grammar wasn't incredibly difficult nor that much in quantity. So yeah, you could say that, but it would still take practice. If you know enough kanji you can kind of cheese through the reading/writing parts through context, but there's also a listening segment thta uses the same grammar elements and lots of vocab that I (at the time) didn't know, so grammar is still essential. I'm sure there's a list of the requirements somewhere.

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>>7900680
>I beg your pardon? When was that even mentioned?
Its theoretical you stupid retard, If you don't know terms used on a board, you are a newfag or tourist
>Concession accepted.
Picrel, I dont know what the fuck hoocha is, and judging by the fact she needed to explain it to her audience, it isnt iconic
>So you're saying something she did involuntarily became iconic without any effort on her part, and yet somehow she herself isn't naturally iconic
She is not naturally iconic as your examples have clearly proven for us, one letter, completely forced by everyone around her to become iconic, that has essentially zero to do with her has become iconic yes. That doesn't mean she is iconic as a streamer or entertainer. If all korone had was eekum bookum, I wouldnt call her iconic either.
>>*subjectivist rant*
Concession accepted.
it actually was not, her singing is generic, and therefore not iconic, the amount of views nor quality of singing are irrelevant to this point. Noels rendition of Shaka beach is more iconic then marines, even if she sings it better, Your number brain still cannot comprehend this.
>No one has heard those memes except for these figures that outright show that they do
Concession accepted.
>SHAR-HAR-HARK
>Your whole argument hinges on Gura not being iconic because you say so
Yes, Jimi Hendrix is not Iconic because he sold a certain amount of records. He is Iconic, because he is FUCKING JIMI HENDRIX