/#/ - Numbers thread

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>>7641248
Flare: 2nd anniversary live with her gen
Lauren: Two Apex gacha streams. This guy's fanbase has too much money to spend.
Tower: Birthday countdown
Aqua: Minecraft shenanigans and 3rd anniversary congratulations
Noel: 2nd anniversary countdown
Mori: Finished Everhood
HSKW: Birthday live and celebration
Kurumizawa Momo: Birthday countdown
Lamy: Lamy
Aki: Returned with some Minecraft
Watame: 60th Watame Night Fever
Anko: New costume

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>>7641608
>Lamy: Lamy
Ah yes. When no context is needed. Flare jumped above Korone finally hitting the $1M SCs.

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>>7624194
>people were calling IRyS a midget
>a large portion of her streams stradle the "top Holo" range (8k ~ 12k) and would regularly put her in the top 25 if VNUMA was still around
Just where did we get these shit posters from?

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>>7643572
It's one to two anons, and it's mostly because she was getting bad numbers playing a debuff game (Penguin's dogma) followed by a neutral game in the weaker of the two timeslots she appears to be trying to cultivate an audience in(Subnautica).
Also, the relatively massive sub growth (500k+ in such a short period of time) but no corresponding 'growth' in CCV even though it doesn't work like that.

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>>7643572
It's really boring to compare Irys with anyone. She's barely a month old. Any sense of comparison should be done after she's at least 3-6 month in. The girl is still in that honeymoon phase were everything she does is interesting because it's a newbie's perspective. I'm sure she will get atleast 20k live views when she finally gets a tour around HoloJP or does an all Holosongs Karaoke. She would still get 10k min for any fucking fotm that went viral.

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ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

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>>7643790
The problem with Irys is not really her but the people that are projecting their expectations of what a new HoloEN should be. This is stupid given that we all know they are just comparing her numbers to Gura when streaming or to Mori's number when she releases music. Anything she does will obviously be lower in numbers since her management has been adamant in pointing out that Irys is different. Her growth since her debut has been relatively normal and consistent. Any poor performance she does can be rationalized and corrected even. Her sched right now doesn't include any kusoge games whatsover. This week will probably make people seethe if her numbers returns to 10k on the regular. Her schedule is also going to avoid any possibility of hitting any big collabs or events since she is choosing 8PM PDT and 1PM PDT. Good choices.

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>Lain not even 3k now
What went wrong?

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>>7644711
Everyone went to go blow their load on Lauren.

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>>7644711
>>7644799
Sasuga manjisanji

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https://twitter.com/YouTubeJapan/status/1424188642772279301
Oh no they're is dying...

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https://twitter.com/YouTubeJapan/status/1424188642772279301
Oh no they're dying...

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>>7644711
3k isn't bad. Selejo barely gets half that. She's done well beyond expectations.
>>7644961
Said no one.
>implying I didn't see that
Proofread before you post, 103.50er.

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>>7644711
It's a 'retrospect' stream, at a weak hour for most JP chubbas.
But yea, this...>>7644799
That's silly. Imagine what Leos looks like when he gets monetization. The dude either an actual poorfag or has played kayfabe well enough to convince most people.

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>>7643461
> 2 months left.
Can Mori make it into the million club before her anniversary?

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>>7645045
*her graduation
fify

>>7644994
He seems to come across as genuine, I think being so inept can't be an act.

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its fine holobros.. just accept that August is niji month.

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>>7644994
Lying about being in debt, a past severe alcoholic, and a current chainsmoker as well as all the other random stuff about his home would be insane if he got caught. It's just more likely that he recently moved but couldn't be assed to buy furniture.

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>>7644993
>3k isn't bad.
For this thread it is.

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>>7645264
Not everyone is Kuzuha or Pekora. Not even Gura is. Expectations and context matter, Lain does well.
>nijinigger!
No, I'm a proud holofag that barely watches niji.

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>>7645309
3k is low for a number thread. There is no debating this.

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>>7641248
>>7643461
Mori's SC is amazing
She streams much less than JPs and still gets big SCs

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>>7644711
RIP Debut Buff

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>>7645377
In what way? Most people thought she was a triple digit, DOA liver. People discuss numbers at all levels all the time. I mean people discuss NijiEN and they're dogshit numberswise compared to actual contenders.

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>>7645441
Like Anya?

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>>7645489
She's been analyzed and discussed.

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>>7645441
>In what way?
3k live viewers was said to be “bad” in the context of a number thread. Which is accurate.

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>>7645489
Everyone is allowed to be talked about here, some anon brought up a literal who indie who got picked up by the algo and it was discussed
Bring up anything interesting about Anya if you'd like.

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>>7645550
Is Anya an actual contenders compared to NijiEN with their dogshit numbers?

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>>7645587
Define "numbers thread" because last I chekced it was about numbers, not sucking off Kuzuha and Pekora.

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>>7645611
No, because they aren't in the same context.

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>>7643461
TICK TOCK, Kuzuha keks

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>>7645587
Is it bad in the context of basically superchat reading stream?

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>>7641248
Weekly numbers

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>>7645636
>Define "numbers thread" because last I chekced it was about numbers
3k is considered bad in a number thread, because all numbers are not equal. So by comparison to many others (which is done in a number thread), it is considered bad.

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>>7645842
It isn't bad in the context of a girl debuted after 2019 for Nijisanji.

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So any reason to anya having some slight incline like some meme or some clip about her gone viral?

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>>7645841
Kuzuha beating Deadgame Fantasy....god damn.

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>>7645841
It's funny to see restream soccer match in the top 20

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>>7645441
Sometimes, you can talk about interesting numbers or any numbers, big or small, in these threads. Other times, some anons gatekeep what numbers are worth talking about. You just gotta ignore the ones who gatekeep "midgets" and respond to those who actually want to discuss.

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>>7645926
she had really good coollabs and streams.
Her DS started after most people finished
And alsohad a taling stream some days ago during dead hours.
girl is good, but needs to stop competing in jp prime time.

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>>7645978
I see two actually

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>>7645926
Probably thanks to Ollie and Reine. ID2 does a lot of collabs.

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>>7646012
>some anons gatekeep what numbers are worth talking about.
Pointing out that a number is bad, after someone else said it was good, is not gatekeeping.

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>>7645841
FGO I kneel

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>>7646145
How do we save Haachama? Another incoming break?

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>>7646145
Irys is at 11.5k right now while Haachama is jumping from 8.8k to 9k.

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>>7646228
12k now for Irys. The kusoges and schedule blunder were really nerfing her last week.

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Most live viewers

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>>7644961
>https://twitter.com/YouTubeJapan/status/1424188642772279301
Oh so the morning exercises is like another version of Risu's NNN

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>>7646347
woah aqua at 32k? what was she doing?

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>>7646347
>10 minute sample period
Hate. Also Flare getting 60k is a miracle. She will be back at 5k soon enough.
>Deron, Sara, Ange, Shiina even sniffing the top
Let's hope they can ride this back to the top.

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>>7646433
Minecraft - Hololive anime.

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>>7646479
Nijicope

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>>7646387
No it's exactly like Mio's
Basically copied

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I can see the niji football mogging towa anniv today.

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From another thread, is this real? Someone donated $50k to a furry?

>>7646433
Minecraft

>>7646479
>She will be back at 5k soon enough
This is usually her zatsudans, superchat readings numbers and kusoges numbers. She gets >10k playing minecraft or karaoke.

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>>7646534
Lives are not real numbers. Only gaming streams with no collabs are valid measures of performance.

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>>7645309
Gura is though, the Youtube live view count is not even close to accurate, especially for streamers with lots of EN viewers.
Gura frequently has more VOD views than Pekora and even Kuzuha when he isn't playing APEX for 8+ hours which is especially impressive since APEX is a high view churn game.

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>>7646433
Minecraft return after not streaming it for months. Aqua has always done well in Minecraft, with at lows in the 17k? Range and highs up to the 30ks when doing akukin stuff.
>>7646299
13k and still inclining with that annoying sawtooth bullshit.
This timeslot is underserved in the HoloEN side, and it's good that IRyS is filling it.

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>>7646581
>Gura is though, the Youtube live view count is not even close to accurate, especially for streamers with lots of EN viewers.

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>>7646550
If it's Twitch there's a 500% chance it will be refunded

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>>7646569
Sure

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>>7645841
Based (almost) dead gacha putting all those 2D wannabes in their place

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>>7646612
This has been proven over and over again.
Doubting this fact is the real cope.

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>>7646581
>>7646793
proof?

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>>7646793
>This has been proven over and over again.
I'm sure it has in your head but it just isn't true. It applies to everyone, not just HoloEN. I mean Miko had a poll up for an hour in one of her streams that got 120k votes despite streaming for 10k people.

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>>7646793
No point to argue for Gura having the highest live viewers when it’s not apparently the case. You could instead say she has the most subscribers, or argue for a better average for VOD views vs someone else. Overall though, she has declined a bit in live viewers regardless of who is to blame for it.

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>>7646924
>regardless of who is to blame for it.
Space lizard jews that only are trying to hurt Gura's numbers and no one else's.

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>>7646951
Or maybe blame Gura for not trying to collab with Any JP like Haachama or play any decent game that's not a fucking platform or a simulator

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>>7646866
I didn't say that JP weren't affected, I said EN is more affected. You need to learn to read instead of deflecting.
>>7646855
The Minecraft summer festival. Gura had around 20k fewer live views than Pekora and streamed 30 minuted less but had more total views both during and after the festival.

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>>7646997
We have already had this convo, people click, watch, and leave

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>>7646992
I wasn't serious when I said the jews were out for Gura.

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>>7647056
No, the live view difference and extra time streaming was too large of a difference.
There also isn't any evidence that JP viewers have far less view churn than EN.

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>>7646997
based. Kuzuha must have 1m viewers watching his apex collab stream since he had 2.7m views at the end.

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>>7647133
Explain this.

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>>7646992
>Or maybe blame Gura for not trying to collab with Any JP like Haachama
Honestly, that is a good point. You can seriously see Gura’s viewers get bored of her EN collabs. It would’ve been beneficial for Gura to be more open to other Holos outside of EN. Also if Gura uploaded a funny video or song every month, that would help as well. She really only has herself to blame. It would be easy for me to say EN management is also to blame, and I’m sure to some degree they are; however, if Gura pushed more like I assume the others do, she could probably get more than they do because of her position.

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>>7647220
What is there to explain? A 12 hour hyped up huge APEX collab stream is obviously going to have a lot of views.
How does that even remotely refute anything?

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>>7647225
When in doubt, blame the managers. I'm pretty sure Gura could do well with short videos since she has experience with it and Ame's idea with getting their own editor/clipper, but it takes so long for the idea to get approved by the managers that they scrapped them altogether. At this point, I get the feeling that the managers really don't know how YT works.

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>>7647220
>b-but they are normiefags! they dont watch livestreams. What about Gura? S-she doesn't pander to normies! they are all vtuber fans that watch whole stream a day

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>>7644711
Retard, she is reading superchat, during the Eden collabs she is always second place, losing only to Leo in viewers.

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>>7647380
Use your eyes to notice that it's a screenshot of his stream after it ended. How did a stream that hit 140k+ views get 2mil+ views the minute it ended? When you're over here saying Gura suffers the same thing having low live viewers yet a ton of views after the video ends and she's EN while Kuzuha is JP
Because people fucking click, watch, and leave

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>>7647392
>Gura could do well with short videos
Gura can't but Kiara can? They have the same manager.

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>>7647525
>using Nijisanji as an example
It doesn't refute the fact that hololive EN live viewers are more affected than hololive JP live viewers, Nijisanji has nothing to do with this.

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>>7647570
Gura is probably being managed by Japanese upper management because of her massive popularity, it's not the same.

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>>7647570
Gura admitted that she loses interest too fast and won’t bother going through the approval process.

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>>7647392
>but it takes so long for the idea to get approved by the managers that they scrapped them altogether.
Gura did say that she would lose interest waiting for EN approval, but I’m assume she could leverage her popularity as a means of getting more of what she wanted if she’s wasn’t such a submissive person.
>Gura can't but Kiara can? They have the same manager.
Probably has to do with what I said above. The difference might be that Kiara is much more dominant, and probably gets after them.

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>>7647525
Your argument makes no sense. People would also be doing that for Pekora's stream too.
Pekora streamed for 30 minutes more than Gura and had around 20k more live views.
Obviously people are coming in and out of the stream all the time but that makes it even more questionable how Gura managed to have more total views than Pekora.
If EN live view counts were just as affected as JP, Pekora should have had a lot more total views than Gura.
That wasn't the case though, Gura always had more total views than Pekora.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y3xh8gs24c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPAcjv__fbc

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>>7647625
Then it would make even less sense since JP Holos uploaded shit tons of short clips, sometimes multiple of those a week.

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>>7647770
How many views do they have on Spotify?

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>>7647717
Kiara and her manager are pretty much good friends. Ame gets along with her manager and has said good things. Gura ghosts her manager and doesn’t seem to like em much.
It was noted before that Gura is almost always offline on their group discord.

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>>7647827
already coping huh?

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>>7646581
>>7646612
>>7646855
>>7646924
>>7646992
>>7646951
>>7646997
>>7647121
>>7647133
>>7647225

All english speaking streamers who stream on youtube live-views dropped really hard
Just look at Valkyrae
She used to get 40k easily

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>>7647762
No your argument makes more sense, Susan is suppressing both Gura and Kuzuha because she has a hate boner for them. I concede.
>>7647827
Kuzuha's cover isn't on spotify.
>>7647875
Maybe she just sucks and isn't riding the Amongus wave anymore.

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>>7647833
Is Gura really EN Pekora in terms of relationships with other girls?

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>>7647855
Since the begin of this year

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>>7647833
>Gura ghosts her manager and doesn’t seem to like em much. It was noted before that Gura is almost always offline on their group discord.
Gura is the type of loner that needs to be her own boss, because if it came to working with and talking to a manager, she would probably avoid doing that whenever possible. Would have been wiser to just allow her to do what she wanted without any approval. I doubt she would’ve gotten banned or anything, and it would’ve been big for her channel. This option should be considered for certain streamers.

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>>7647908
That's why his views can be all on YT without any loss

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>>7647770
kneel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9eCSWEJYjk

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>>7647820
None of the JP holos are as popular or lucrative as Gura, that's why she gets special micromanagement from the nips

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>>7648009
shut up shut up shut up shut up

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>>7647770
It's finally happened eh?
Well, if the new subs were going to watch anything first, it would be the King cover, so this catching up to RIP now makes sense.
>>7647542
Since she's planning on doing this weekly, it'll be good to keep an eye on how her Karaokes do from week to week. 15k in the 8pm timeslot, last one was at 6am and went as high as 18k. Her first archived karaoke apparently didn't get picked up by holostats.

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>>7648019
Sounds like she'd benefit from following in Coco's footsteps and going back to her own channel now.

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>>7648019
Problem is that Gura is the type of person to just completely shut down if she gets backlash once.
She got talked to by her manager once for whatever reason and has been living in fear of her ever since.

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>>7648043
A skilled singer getting more views than a cringe white rapper and an overdone to death trendchasing cover. Business as usual.

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>>7648043
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJzSBLCaKc8

take that, loser

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>>7648048
No she isn't. A fate acompli sponsorship thrown together doesn't mean big bucks.

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>>7647717
so its 50% management 50%, Gura's fault? Corporates are going to keep taking advantage of her, shit even friends. No wonder she sang that belle delphine song for free.

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>>7648065
She's still holding at 15k even when the other Holos like Pekora have already started streaming. She lost about 500 viwers

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>>7647908
Kuzuha shouldn't be that affected though.
Someone captured the moment that the live view loss happened and Kazuha lost the least by far.
His views should be closer to accurate than a lot of other streamers.

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>>7648117
> Doesn't use an avatar

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>>7648088
Nope I think Kuzuha will graduate soon
Rindou Mikot might already pregnant

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>>7648121
3 million subs and 15000 subscribers is.

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>>7648048
How is gura lucrative? Please explain, I'm so curious.

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>>7648164
What the fuck are you even talking about?

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>>7648088
>Sounds like she'd benefit from following in Coco's footsteps and going back to her own channel now
Even though many people will likely give you shit for that comment, you’re right insomuch as she’s terribly stressed by her current situation. I think she would be more comfortable as her own boss, doing what videos she wants, and when she wants.

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>>7648110
Nah you need to thank TikTok for those numbers.

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>>7648203
And she's a shrewd businesswoman? Based.

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>>7647833
funny that Jenma manage those 3

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>>7648166
still an actual vtuber, not just a vsinger

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>>7648052
Go back to your 5ch autist buddies and stay there

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>>7648203
Then thank tiktok too for guras subscriber

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>>7648117
Sould I link PDP's song?

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>>7648192
Most subbed, viewed and membered vtuber in the world -> most attractive for sponsorships on top of all the merch sales, SCs, membership fees and video ad revenues she brings in

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>>7648103
That’s why Gura needs to be able to do work outside of having to talk to a manager about it first. She’s probably too afraid, so nothing ultimately happens.

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>>7648199
Because it’s retarded.
The big difference between the two is that Coco is a workaholic who is constantly trying to find a way to make interesting content and loves streaming.
Gura is lazy as hell and would go months without making content before Hololive.

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>>7648199
Gura will not reach her success if not managed to a certain degree. She's so careless and lazy that the only reason she even streams regularly is because she is forced to setup a schedule she follows. When the girl didn't get a permission to play crazy taxi, she just called it a day. Ame would stream something else.

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Why numbers thread has so many seaniggers?
Nerds really like math?

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>>7648394
It doesn't seem like management are helping her produce content either if they're shutting down her short video proposals and making her go on long breaks without streaming, so the only difference in her returning to being an indie is less stress.

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>>7648348
he has a song? please do

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>>7648436
yes

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>>7648199
yeah bro im sure she'll do well as her own boss when she streams twice a month and loses viewers constantly because she has no one to keep her on track
theres a reason she joined hololive in the first place and its partly because she couldnt keep her shit together to gian any momentum

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>>7648192
3M subs
194k
Tako bell
Nendoroid figure
Most members of all vtubers

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>>7648394
>constantly trying to find a way to make interesting content
>reddit meme reviews

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>>7648457
This is assuming she even submitted anything to be reviewed. You can complain about management but people with more motivation always puts out more.

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>>7648479
https://youtu.be/6Dh-RL__uN4

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>>7648539
If management are any good they would be creating an environment where she would feel comfortable submitting videos to be reviewed. That she isn't is a big black mark on them, not her.

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>>7648367
> most attractive for sponsorships
JP does more ads streams than her.

>the merch sales
JP has a lot more merch than her, including music. You can't even compare numbers, because we don't know them.

>SCs
Gura doesn't even rank in the top 10 of most super chatted holos.

>membership fees and video ad revenuesJP Yes, because JP doesn't have that either.

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>>7648551
>292,999,862
damm, i kneel. God of vtubers

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>>7648587
anon you make a valid point but you cant hold guras hand the whole way through, she is a grown woman who makes a shit ton of money, most adults in the real world can handle a simple approval process from their boss

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>>7648394
>>7648420
>Gura is lazy as hell and would go months without making content
What I’ve been trying to point out here about Gura, is that I don’t think it’s actually laziness, but rather shyness or fear. She probably is shy every time she does a livestream (so has fewer), and probably doesn’t want to go through management in order to upload a video (so doesn’t). My point is she would likely be more comfortable if they simply allowed her to do whatever, or if she was her own manager.

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>>7648088
>>7648199
Seaniggers don't know her old channel can't be monetization

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>>7648597
You're comparing vtubers with a 4-year career to someone who hasn't even reached her 1 year anniversary, go back and look at hololive JP before they were 1 year old, none of them can even compare.

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mogging soon.

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>>7648707
and in 3 years they will still be 3 years ahead of her

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>>7648526
>3M subs
Means nothing
>194k
Shattered
>Taco Bell
One sponsorship. for one stream. Wake me up when she's in a kid's meal.
>nendo
One of many in hololive and barely a drop in the bucket compared to Nijisanji.
>Most members of all vtubers
Wow, 28k a month. That is an industry maker.

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>>7648436
Only 3rd worlders care this much about other people's money and numbers, it's their way to cope with being poor, I guess.

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>>7648690
Man, this really shows off how weak holoJP gen 5 is, they're only on par with Ollie despite having a 3 month headstart.

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>>7648587
All EN including Ina have uploaded content on their channel. Nothing is stopping her other than having to wait for a go from her manager. How else do you think Ame can upload her og song. This is also proven by the fact she has done covers with other people. Probably because she can't be bothered to handle the work for them.

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>>7648767
lol That's pathetic

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>>7648783
>muh VODs

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>>7648783
Gen 5 is making a lot of money with all their partnerships and sponsors. Don’t think they’re feeling hurt.

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>>7648757
T.nijicope

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>>7648195
My point was that the Minecraft festival total view difference is proof that EN is more affected by the live view loss than JP.
Kuzuha's live view count is closer to accurate than Gura's is.

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>>7648820
The point is that she should be given special exemption to upload things without managerial oversight because of how shy she is and also how successful she is.

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>>7648757
>compared to Nijisanji
Niji only have voicepacks and cheap ass merch. They only have nendos for 3 people.

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>>7648836
>numbers I don't like don't count
>>7648841
They're streamers, having VODs on par with a younger side branch like holoID makes them a failure by any metric

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>>7648869
>They only have nendos for 3 people
Really? I thought nijisanji were supposed to be the kings of merchandising.

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>>7648853
you are actually treating her like a child anon, if all of her co workers can handle this process than she should be able to as well

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>>7648497
What I’m saying is this: >>7648682

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>>7648853
>because of how shy she is
This is the most retarded thing I have heard. She's in a corporate setting. Aqua, Ayame and Pekora are more retarded than her but they release songs and do their shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7648869
Bulk means more than one nendo that Gura doesn't even like.That cheap merch is worth more than Gura. Gura is a good earner but she isn't a pillar of the industry or even Hololive.

>>7648848
Not even. I am a holofan that doesn't watch and will never watch Nijisanji.

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>>7648945
Lol. Gura's nendo in JP got so much preorders real quick that they had to close it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7648757
>>7648945
Medicine

[Anonymous No.]

>>7648869
b-but the other merch

[Anonymous No.]

>>7648977
Not uncommon for limited time and quantity merch. It's a blip. I bet the toy is cool but it doesn't make much money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7648913
>if all of her co workers can handle this process than she should be able to as well
Not everyone can handle the same shit.

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>>7648915
what you're saying is retarded, imagine actually believing gura lives in constant fear of her manager because she complained about not getting permission for something, just like pretty much every other holo ever

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>>7649000
There's already a big ass 3 story poster in Atre of the Hologirls. Get that cheap ass out of here

[Anonymous No.]

>>7648757
>Means nothing
Gura is on news LMAO imaging cope this hard
>Shattered
LMAO imaging cope this hard
>Just one sponsorship
Not really, and also one huge sponsorship >>> many small sponsorships
>One of many in hololive and barely a drop in the bucket compared to Nijisanji
source: my ass

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>>7649005
if nendos didn't make money they would have stopped making them a long time ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649005
Lol. Atre, Capcom, Nendos, YoungJump, Molly, Lawson and Family Mart. Not including personal merch the holos release themselves

[Anonymous No.]

>>7648199
Gura's potential benefits asides, I'm sure you will kill the poor girl mentally if you tell her she can't be part of Hololive at the moment. She loves being Gura

[Anonymous No.]

>>7648904
Nijisanji appeal to a wide variety of people instead of just doubling down on the otaku fanbase like hololive does, they don't see the need to make that many nendos since a lot of their viewers would prefer more normal products with actual utility.

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>>7648526
>3M subs
I'll concede that

>194k
It means something? Coco almost double that and before that you have some top viewers similar to her

>Tako bell
JP has Nissin and Red Bull. FFS even Kiara has some sponsorship with Tales

>Nendoroid figure
??? Marine, FBK and Aqua has some. And as a fun fact, she isn't even featured in a game yet (Calli and Kiara does in GC)

>Most members of all vtubers
I need proof of that. It seems pretty sus

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>>7649027
>imagine actually believing gura lives in constant fear
I’m simply saying Gura probably has social anxiety, and hence avoids certain situations. It’s not all that uncommon. I think you just cannot imagine someone like that.

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>>7649112
like what, rice cookers?

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>>7649021
she is an adult anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649112
>normal products
I keep seeing this shit be repeated here, Nijisanji collabs with Sanrio, releases CD Drama tier voice packs, acrylic stands, posters, etc
It's really weeby

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>>7649112
A fucking voicpack and stand does not have utility. Nendos are merch deals with GoodSmile. They are offered not requested you retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649157
Anything that has a face of a chuuba is weeb shit.

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>>7649157
>>7649159
That's not all they release, they also release a lot of foodstuff, clear files and stationery. Things with actual utility that normies will buy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649196
Fucking stationary and clear file with a face of an anime boy is tier 1 weebery retard. Ina's jacket or Gura's shirt are passable merch for normies

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>>7649000
I can post that matome article about how matsuri donuts didn't sell at all, and they had a bunch of her merch unsold in storage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649196
> Please ignore some details, so I can push my narratives.

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>>7649196
clear files is what characters who aren't popular enough for anything better get

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649149
So is Coco, and she left over similar shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649196
https://shop.nijisanji.jp/s/niji/item/list?ima=4508&ct=M-phy-01
https://shop.nijisanji.jp/s/niji/item/list?ima=4519&ct=M-phy-03
This is really normie right?

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>>7649226
It's exactly the sort of stuff that kpop fans buy. It's mainstream merchandise, not otaku shit like figurines or boobie mousepads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649287
You fucking think kpop isn't weebery? Jesus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649265
>normal t-shirts with normal looking designs
Nigger do you want to compare this with the holo shirts?

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>>7649086
>Gura is on news LMAO imaging cope this hard
Some blue checkmark's bog isn't news.
>LMAO imaging cope this hard
496k > 194k
>huge
An easter egg cameo and one stream isn't huge. Tell me when she is the focal point of an advertisement or if there are more holive x Yum! collabs.
>source: my ass
You're new. Nijisanji makes more in merch than Cover makes as a company.

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>>7649241
I give matome sites as much credibility as our resident schizos.

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>>7649287
NOT SO FAST!
https://twitter.com/kotobukiyas/status/1421017865906393089

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649265
Yes?
>>7649312
Look at the numbers. They're mainstream and not a niche otaku interest, maybe you should learn the definition of words before using them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649344
Yes, it's only real when it applies to niji.

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>>7649351
uhh these are mainstream figs, like batman

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>>7649362
Anime is a fringe hobby in JP. Buying shit with anything that has a face of an anime anything makes you a weeb. Just because 1 boy band big now doesn't change the fact that they are still not the representative of the whole normie scene

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>>7649312
to be fair, Kpop is mainstream as fuck now, BTS numbers are retarded too, they get like 20mi views in a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649351
https://www.kotobukiya.co.jp/product/product-0000004035/

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>>7649334
None of the counter-points you gave come from the same talent.
Gura has all of that combined while you have to scrap multiple chuubas together.
Keep talking from your ass though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649427
Nijisanji are not "anime", they are streamers using a 2D avatar. That's why they're a household name, they don't pretend to be in some anime slice-of-life unlike hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649439
We're not saying that Niji did it first anon is just being retarded and saying that Niji has only "normie merchandise" and not figures.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649362
you can find clear files for weeb shit too. It doesn't mean your weeb shit is mainstream. It's literally a piece of plastic with an image on it, the cheapest piece of merch you can think of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649334
>Coco's graduation 490k
All holo members appeared
This is actually Hololive numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649351
Again, I said that nijisanji appeals to a wide variety of people. Obviously that includes some of the otaku crowd but they don't see the need to double down on it that hard to beg for more nendos, they prefer to introduce variety in their merch just like how they have a variety of livers and audiences.

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>>7649440
Mito, Kuzuha, and Kanae all are worth more, each one. Pekora, Aqua, Marine, Fubuki, Botan and Subaru are all worth more.

You have one shark girl with one song and one piece of merch.

[Anonymous No.]

You don's need to bring BTS to vtuber tread Totally different tier.
Should I compare Cover or Any Color to Universal Music or Sony Music?

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>>7649258
Coco has the chops to make it alone by being insanely dedicated and goal oriented. Gura literally cried that she got into Hololive, and her first og song is about how shit her past youtubing experience was. She'll absolutely crash and burn alone and destroy her remaining brain cells with alcohol (again).

Face it anon, her hand isn't going to be held anywhere, she has to go through the same process as the others. She is not special when it comes to the approval process, nor does she want to be treated special. It isn't healthy for her or hololive to be treated so.

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>>7649440
>gura is much better than JP!
>loses to Marine/Pekora everytime in views
Inb4 muh yt bug, fuck off cumbucket.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649507
> one piece of merch
Just say that you don't keep up with the EN scene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649541
>Inb4
You're late by 100 posts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649506
They do not have any variety in merch retard. It's always the same with different illustrations

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>>7649506
Just because you're using the word livers doesn't mean anyone with half a brain will believe you're in this thread defending the Honor of Nijisanji by pushing this narrative that only normies watch fucking anime men and women, who are majority weebs themselves, and thus Nijisanji has no weeb merch which you already got proven wrong on. Keep pushing the goalposts tho.

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>>7649523
No one is comparing BTS to vtubers ESLchama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649541
>loses to Marine/Pekora everytime in views
You mean 194k? Vods? Members? Subs?

[Anonymous No.]

Why is Haachama like this

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>>7649549
One nendo and... uh... a nendo!

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>>7649583
Never said Nijisanji has no weeb merch, but that they only have three nendos because they never asked for more. They could have a couple dozen if they really wanted to but they're very clearly not targeting the otaku crowd, they're taking Nijisanji culture into the mainstream by mixing with mainstream entertainers and engaging in mainstream hobbies instead of doubling down on otakushit.

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>>7649504
so all of nijisanji's numbers are 190k~

beaten by a single shark.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649258
When did Gura mention Taiwan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649632
Yes

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>>7649615
Towa is a bitch and everyone hates her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649621
She had her birthday merch. They also released something as a group twice. She's in Atre as well. The nendo is just the latest one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649541
Are you actually denying that the Youtube bug is a thing?

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>>7649615
No one is going to watch Towa anyways, so who cares.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649631
Holofags are really retarded huh. You have not watched 1 second of a Nijisanji stream. Kuzuha can't shut up about Hunter x Hunter.

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>>7649241
please do, I'd be curious to read it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7648436
They're the only thread who can "discuss" the same arguments day after day, even hlgg tells them to fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649685
Cover makes very little merch. It's still isn't worth a drop of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Look at this
>Mainstream merch
>Not weeb shit
>Just like BTS
>Actual utility
Just admit that hololive's merch appeals to the mainstream and niji only sells voice packs to desperate otaku

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>>7649531
>Coco has the chops to make it alone
Gura managed to get successful before Hololive, which is something not even Coco could do. So Gura did just fine, and if she had to leave like Coco, she would still do just fine. You’re just a faggot, anon.

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>>7649697
>it's only a thing for hololive
>actually it's only a thing for hololiveEN
>actually it's only a thing for gura
no one cares cumbucket, go cry to susan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649707
>mogged by Maimoto last year
>going to get mog by Haachama and Nijifootball
Towa...

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>>7649719
source: my ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649621
> One nendo and... uh... a nendo!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649754
This is some maximum cope, literally no one is saying this.
They were saying that it affects EN viewers more than JP.
Can you understand that distinction?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649723
so hololive is for normalfags, now? you guys sure flip flop a lot.

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>>7649708
Last I checked Kuzuha wasn't AnyColor's CEO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649802
>They were saying that it affects EN viewers more than JP.
I'm sure it makes Gura's sub 10k streams actually equal to Kuzuha's numbers!

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649808
Yes hololive is for productive members of society who can afford to superchat

[Anonymous No.]

>I'm holofag btw
>I'm nijifag btw
The thread

[Anonymous No.]

Oh no no no no no
Nijibros not like this...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649824
You see, when Gura is getting less views than Kuzuha it's because Youtube secretly switches the url over to his channel. The children wouldn't even notice, all they see is 'anime play funny game'.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649849
With this much falseflagging does it even matter who is telling the truth?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649719
Very little merch...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649920
Can I buy one for my house?

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>>7649802
>They were saying that it affects EN viewers more than JP.
so it affects every single english yt streamer? Holy shit, I wonder how no one noticed this before.

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>>7649719
>>7649920
https://youtu.be/0795SVvHKYY

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649949
Just download the image.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7645045
I don';t know about before but she definitely on her anniversary

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649719
Very little merch....

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>>7649824
She hasn't had a sub 10k stream in a long time.
Regardless, Kuzuha's live views are much closer to accurate than Gura's.
He isn't dominating like the live views make it seem like.

[Anonymous No.]

>Akihabara station
Kuzuha...where are you...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649954
It affects everyone to varying degrees.

> I wonder how no one noticed this before.
It's been talked multiple times for the past half a year. Do your reps, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649954
They did notice back in December. How new are you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649969
But that's not how merch works...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650009
lolstars...

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>>7649849
It's pretty funny that the Niji falseflagger's oshi isn't in Hololive or Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650082
His oshi is nonexistent because he toured the board for a few weeks then started pulling random shit out of his ass for (You)s because it really is that easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649719
>Family Mart why you killing my rrats

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650009
It is hilarious how matuli got less likes than even aki or flare

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650013
Here in Ikebukuro actually, the commercial station.

[Anonymous No.]

Look! Who's behind the pillar?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650179
>Ikebukuro
As expected of the fujo panderers

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650010
>He isn't dominating like the live views make it seem like.
Lol. I'm sure a special bug that only affects Gura accounts for 15k views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650179
sasuga manjisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650179
The AR live ads in Shibuya.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650009
Kiara's JOP fanbase is around Matsuri's number?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650179
Women run this joint

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650171
Kiara got less than Aki. That's more embarrassing

[Anonymous No.]

Wait, you guys can't be fucking serious, do you really think only hololive gets ads in Japan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650179
>cover pushing all their talents, even the homos
>anycolor only bothers with their top talents, the rest are forgotten
sasuga

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650270
do you really think only nijisanji gets merch?

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone provide commercials from other countries?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650242
>>7650179
Shibuya and Ikebukuro are worth more. Akihabara is just a small corner of nerds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650242
I'm too lazy to look for the ads that Cover did for Holofes2 and Bloom so sure. Great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650270
>do you really think only hololive gets ads in Japan?
who said that

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650226
Oh no no no no no

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650300
This, Akihabara is basically a foreign weeb tourist trap that few locals even visit nowadays, it's actually worth very little to the domestic Japanese market.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650283
No, they had a billboard for Morinaka and Higuchi early this year to promote their album.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650317
>VODs
>for a live streamer
>800k subs vs 3 million
Okay. Juyst take the L. Maybe you will line up better against a high tier Holo like Miko. Leave the big leagues for the big leaguers.

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>>7650242
The AR stage post gets nothing close to my man Mayuzumi

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650179
they were advertising kenmochi's live blu-ray release at the same time (by the tobu-tojo line) but i don't think anyone took pics of that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650302
You're so fucking petty, damn nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Pekora declining?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650345
>Higuchi
>Morinaka
Old guard. Probably took a loss on them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650226
>Kuzuha averge 30k
Why is playboard so shit?
Do you believe that numbers nijinigger?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650352
This isn't advertising and he cleared it up, it was his own project.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650226
Again, it doesn't just affect her but it does affect EN viewers more than JP.
It's probably not going to make up a deficit of that much especially when she is at 16k but I don't think that image is honest.
What is the timeframe that you selected this for?
Kazuha has had some very high view streams recently while Gura has had some particularly low view streams.

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>>7650009
if only geekjack had anyway to give an idea of numbers....

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650367
I'm not a nijinigger. I am a holofan who is just saying that Gura isn't near Kuzuha in success.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650226
oh no no no cumbuds explain???

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650226
>>7650367
It's 30k because of the recent buffs, his average is more like 20k and below.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650362
No, but Marine is inclining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650393
Still better than Gura.

[Anonymous No.]

Holo EN gen 2 will likely restore any decrease of interest similar to what the outfit streams did, but longer lasting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650367
>Marine beat Pekora this much LMAO
Playboard sure is shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650386
For a Holofag you sure do seem to be obsessed with Kuzuha's numbers while also having no idea how they work. Where did Gura touch your oshi, on her private parts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650386
>Kuzuha
Who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650446
Damn, Marine shows Kuzushit what's up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7648538
Whether you liked it or not. Shitpost Review did bring in the numbers. I fucking hated it for how cringe it is, but we cannot deny that fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650446
That ain't wrong I think, wasn't Marine avg viewers higher this month? Pekora has been playing a lot of debuff games too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650451
I don't care since I am a Flarefag, I just know he is a very successful liver. I am just sick of you chumcope about how Gura is getting the best views because some wizard magic you can't quantify is hiding her numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

It's pretty funny to see playboard's "averages" being posted when you know how they work. Perfect bait material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650361
lol. everyone knows that the girls's faces were everywhere in many many stations when they were advertising HoloFes2 and Bloom. Not just in akihabara. This is just common practice to plaster your shit everywhere for events. I personally think the 6min Holo Gra episode did better to market Bloom more than anything they plastered everywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650524
7 day average or 14 day?

[Anonymous No.]

>3m vs 900k subs
oh no no no chumbuddies

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650420
Not when you factor in the difference that they're affected by the Youtube bug.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650579
Ah, the magic that makes you feel better. Why can't you just accept it? Kuzuha wins. Marine wins. Pekora wins. Gura? Does well but not the best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650569
Honestly not a good look for Kazuha given that he mainly streams apex which is a buff for him for 6+ hours a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650635
It's not a good look that someone routinely beats someone with 3 times the amount subs he does

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650517
I'm not the faggot saying Gura's viewers are being stolen by ninjas but it's pretty obvious you have no idea what you're talking about bringing up those playboard averages that we disregard here because they're retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650569
> 11k dip
What happened to Kuzuha on April, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650608
It's been proven that there is a difference in how much it affects streamers since it's likely something the viewers are doing like ad block.
Why is it so hard to accept this fact?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650328
If few locals visit there then how does it still stay in business in the era of the chinkflu?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650678
Japs have adblock too. Your magic doesn't surmount a 15k difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650675
Valorant month

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650678
Because Gura is routinely far behind the big names and you just attribute any difference as a bug so you don't confront the issue that Gura isn't #1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650709
>magic
kek, he can't understand it so it must be magic

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650688
Olympics tourists

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650608
Vods?
Yes best

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650709
Japan doesn't use ad block anywhere close to how much it's used in the West.
That 15k difference isn't even close to accurate for general streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7649745
Seething retard lol if she was so successful why didn't she keep at it? She was killing herself with alcohol, she hated it, she rarely streamed to less than 1k people who encouraged her to get alcohol poisoning and she couldn't monetize it enough to make it as an indie, that's why she was stuck with shitty 2nd rate VA work instead where she was passed over more often than not. Granted that's probably because she is unable to be consistently proactive, but that's something she has to fix one way or another, and if she fixes it she'll do fine in Hololive. You literally know fuck all about her past aside from meme fucking songs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650771
The ones that don't exist because of chinkflu?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650788
Officially they don't exist. Officially.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7650747
The point isn't that she's number 1, the point is that she isn't actually far behind them if she actually is at all.