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Can Mumei even become a 4-view without the hololive brand?

>> No.73910118
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>>73909959
Nope. 5view minimum.

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It says more about the ability of indies to be heard over anything a Japanese corp using an American platform does.
It's hard to get noticed.

>> No.73910239 [DELETED] 

So what's on fire in niji today?

>> No.73910308

>>73909959
>can [people] become popular without [thing that gives them a fuckton of exposure]
gee i don't fucking know anon.

>> No.73910329

No. Fuwamoco were 2views without the HoloLive brand.

>> No.73910463

>>73909959
Why do you think indie vtubers are applying for big corpos in the first place?

>> No.73910482

If you can reach occasional 4view YouTube as a vtuber without the help of holo or niji attached to your name, you are legit.

>> No.73910547

>>73910329
Really? I thought they were at least 3-views. Am I misremembering things?

>> No.73910552

>>73909959
no. especially not with the present oversaturation.
there's a reason many indies decide to go corpo. brand name gives them the exposure.

>> No.73910620

>>73910547
they were 2 views. holo really saved them.

>> No.73910642

>>73910547
They were about 150 on a great day. Usually sat at 90. They are examples of the power of the HoloLive brand.

>> No.73910666

>>73910547
Maybe 100-ish at most.
Their PL's vods have less total views than some of their regular CCV.

>> No.73910680

>>73909959
go back to spamming bait in /#/
>>73910547
They had a much bigger presence on /vt/ than in actuality. They were low 3views to high 2views.

>> No.73910694

>>73910642
Don’t forget AZKi

>> No.73910697

>>73910482
Yeah, this. CookieSwirlC is an indie vtuber and she has 4 times more subs than Gura

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>>73909959
I thought this was basic corpo 101.
No. The answer is no. Tons of them have struggled to build an audience, with varying levels of success, years prior to Hololive.
But very few have reached the thousand view territory. And the ones who have reached tens of thousands before they joined a corpo, you can count on a single hand.
The biggest vtuber in the world, used to be a three view at her strongest, if that gives you a better picture.
There's your answer.

>> No.73910759

She saved Doki's live so Doki would make sure to keep her numbers up

>> No.73910784

>>73910547
They got there after the graduation announcement.

>> No.73910846

There are only 3 real ways to get views. Either join a corpo to get advertising, shill the fuck out of yourself by leeching off more popular shit (sponsorships, collabs, etc.) or get into gigantic drama that puts a ton of eyes on you at once.
No matter which you pick, no matter how good you are, nobody's going to find you if they don't know you exist. The former's usually the best option since ideally they KEEP shilling you over time to keep you growing. The last one's only good one time unless you plan on attracting the absolute worst of the worst scum as your fans, like kick streamers.

>> No.73911031

>>73910482
What makes Phase Connect all the more impressive. Their gen1 started out as low 2views and built a company so strong it absorbed all of their competitions best talents over time.
They aren’t big time, but they are the attainable dream

>> No.73911096

>>73910759
doki is a very special case where her former workplace is now public enemy #1 while hololive is still well-liked.

>> No.73911139

>>73910482
>niji
most of them are 3views though

>> No.73911166

>>73910482
Miori is one of the few indies that I watch that always reaches 4 views for her karaoke's or big 3d streams. Talented gal, If a bit menhera.

>> No.73911206

>>73911031
You think holo/niji were automatic big names from day 1 and didn't go through the same grind? Phaseniggers are so retarded.

>> No.73911236

>>73911166
Everybody does big numbers on 3D and karaoke. That is what is called buff content.

>> No.73911274

>>73910707
> Boohoo playing in character is too restrictive it's oppressing my freedom of speech. I want to openly talk about sex and relationships on stream.
Guess who

>> No.73911314

>>73909959
No.

The Gura Killer is somewhere out there. A potential Holo member with 5M subs and a consistent 40K ccv. But they are an Indie or in a small shitty corpo and will never join because of bad luck.

>> No.73911374

>>73911206
There has literally never been a HoloLive or Niji that has been a 2view for a stream. Holo really found diamonds in the rough with Gura and Mori. They discovered them. Impressive really I think one of them only had 1 million subs at he time of being hired?

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>>73911166
I think Mio's about as good as you can get mentally with parents as severely korean as hers. Technically she was in 2 corps... but you'd have to be a newfag to think she did less than 99% of the work to get to where she is now.
On a separate note, I think Peo's gonna get to 4view eventually. Her CCV nowadays is crazy. Since October it's just been milestone after milestone.

>> No.73911470

>>73909959
Really the wrong VTuber to target with this particular bait. If you know you know.

>> No.73911480

>>73911389
Who

>> No.73911488

>>73911374
You mean besides the very first holo? Shut the fuck up retard.

>> No.73911507

>>73911374
How many knights did Sora have again?

>> No.73911534

>>73911488
I accept your concession kek

>> No.73911569

>>73911534
>most intelligent phasecuck

>> No.73911577

>>73911374
anon, do your reps.

Sora...
some of the remaining exNIJIIDs....

>> No.73911578
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>>73911314
People have to accept that HoloMyth and the phenomenon that was Gawr Gura was a lightning in a bottle effect that happened due to a plethora of factors that went on in 2020 and will never EVER happen again. The stars had to fucking align to attain the level of success those girls had back in the day. Unless a major world changing event happens for a second time during Hololive's lifespan, Gura will never be toppled.
It is what it is.

>> No.73911586

>>73911374
Anon... There are NijiJP who are 2views. One of the wave 1 Nijis is a mid 2view.

>> No.73911595

>>73911374
Sora started with 13 viewers retard.

>> No.73911655

>>73911578
people thought the same about Kizuna Ai desu.
I don't think she ever did reach 3m. Just 2.999x

>> No.73911670

>>73909959
Probably, but unless something awful is going on behind the scenes then there's no reason for her to quit.

>> No.73911688

>>73911577
>thread is clearly talking about English vtubers
>UMMM WHAT ABOUT NON ENGLISH HEH
holodrones aren’t the smartest at picking up context clues. You literally have to spell out every detail for them.

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>months old out of context clip channel thumbnail
what happened at niji?

>> No.73911729

>>73911578
Kobo >

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>>73911374

>> No.73911776

>>73911688
Nice goalpost moving retard

>> No.73911827
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>>73911480
Yukinoshita Peony's a japanese indie that speaks ESL on stream. I honestly don't understand what she's saying a lot of the time but I can say safely she's easily one of the cutest vtubers out there right now. She's a huge fan of Ame & Hololive and started crying a couple of times when she got noticed by them. Her CCV started skyrocketing late last year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4qH1NdE2Kc fulfilling her dream of eating chips ahoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dr7LQ5VCpY making american meals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH3cHTQMZeY borgor

>> No.73911831

I think she could make it as an indie.

>> No.73911863

>>73911688
>>thread is clearly talking about English vtubers
>>73911374
>There has literally never been a HoloLive or Niji that has been a 2view for a stream.
Where did you mention English only? Lil phaseroach had a stroke?

>> No.73911869

>>73911766
>red numbers uses different text font
>2018
try hard nijisister

>> No.73911892

>>73911688
you are a kid, aren't ya?
what buzzwords will you try next?
the original post i was replying to never specified the branch.

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>>73911688
Yeah sorry this is exclusively a Niji problem in 2024.

>> No.73911933

>>73911776
Not my problem you can’t keep up with the thread and pick up context clues. Notice how people are specifically talked about Mumei, Gura, Mori, Fuwamoco, Doki etc.

What do they have in common, sweetie?

>> No.73912002

>>73911827
Im watching her 2nd FO3 VOD right now. Shes very cute and literally the highest complete indy ive ever seen

>> No.73912003

>>73911827
All it took was some Holo Rewteets for her fan art and some raids from Ollie and Red Twink

>> No.73912020

>>73911869
that was how bad it was for miko back then you fuck

>> No.73912032

>>73911933
The topic you brought up was about new starter corpos. You claimed that phase is super special for starting out as 2views, as if the current biggest corpos weren't the same when they started out.

>> No.73912038

>>73911729
Kobo is popular, but she isn't as instantly recognizable to a general audience as "That shark girl vtuber"

>> No.73912055

>>73911933
UMMM AKSHUALLY AKI ROSENTHAL IN OCTOBER 2018 HAD 23 CCV FOR A MINECRAFT STREAM HOLOLIVE EN STARTED WITH NOTHING COPE AND SEETHE

>> No.73912118

>>73912055
>replying to himself
uh oh the phasecuck is mad now

>> No.73912129

>>73912003
You joke, but the reason I discovered Peo was because I saw her clips about the Ame retweets and because Ollie and Flayon raided her a few times and mentioned her art.

>> No.73912168

>>73911933
>no Holos or Niji
>here’s some
>I-I-I meant English ones g-g-g-gottem
Pathetic

>> No.73912173

>>73911766
migo...has been through a lot

>> No.73912227

>>73909959
Hololive is genuinely a massive cheat code to success.
That isn't to say the members aren't incredibly talented in their own right, but standing out in an ocean of creators is downright impossible.
Think about how meteoric a rise someone like Mori had. Went from her circumstances at the time to singing songs for One Piece and Suicide Squad in LESS THAN FOUR YEARS.
That's absolutely absurd.

>> No.73912247

>>73912129
An Ollie raid sent her into 4 view for a stream and I don’t think she’s dropped below 600 since

>> No.73912248

>>73912129
This is why I find it so fucking baffling that Niji blocked holo collabs early on. If they just leeched off holo like both fanbases wanted, they might've ACTUALLY become a rival instead of whatever the fuck happened.

>> No.73912260

>>73911827
>a holo grifter
Get in line and gain talent. Shame she couldn’t get popular on her own.

>> No.73912340

>>73911688
Fuck you Phasefaggot.

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>>73912003
I think it was something like 70% the algorithm catching her, 20% the later holo retweets, 10% the ollie moment. Ollie talks about indies/non-holos all the time; her popping up in stream didn't do much besides make Peo cry from joy. IIRC her holo halloween endurance drawings were what got a LOT of traffic (I think she broke 4view?), but the holo retweets only came after she put the pics on twitter. Either way, I'm super happy for her since she's such a good & hardworking chuuba. Been watching her since she got targeted by the architect.

>> No.73912356

>>73912248
They blocked holo collabs because they saw hololive as a genuine threat to their position as #1 and didn't want to give them any publicity. They were of course correct but too stupid to take any real preventative action.

>> No.73912413

>>73912356
not for EN. holoEN was like 2-4x as big as Niji at all times, except for maybe during Luxiem's peak for a few months when only that wave was comparable.

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>>73912260
relax nijisis i'm here to shill peo i don't care about bondage or fungus.

>> No.73912427

>>73909959
>Hoomans numberfaging
Sad

>> No.73912461

>>73911827
>>73912003
I'd put Ririsya in a similar boat as Peo - both are Japanese indies that managed to bottle a bit of the HoloEN hype and managed to ride it to some success. Peo's done it with networking with Ame while Ririsya got a lot of traction early from Mori's remix contest.

>> No.73912486

>>73912427
>hoomans
This bait thread obviously wasn't made by a hooman you dumbass

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indie vtubing ftw, there is so much games, projects, advertisements freedom once you go indie and all that vod views revenue ? all goes to you and not the corpo's ceo, look at my brotuber quinn benet for example. if mumei decides to go indie after graduating, she can find success too if she desires it.

>> No.73912567

>>73912531
I saw this nigga had 300 twitch he is dying a death

>> No.73912590

>>73912531
Get better bait no one is falling for this shit.

>> No.73912614

>>73912531
right indie is the future sis!

>> No.73912625

>>73912427
how did they become shitposters?

>> No.73912662

>>73912461
I think Ririsya's around where Peo was before the algorithm caught her. I'm very proud of both of them.

>> No.73912673

>>73912531
still too high.
He deserves 0view to 1view at absolute most.

>> No.73912675

>>73909959
If she graduated and went indie? Yes she is a guaranteed 4view

If she never went to hololive? No, she would probably be +/- 200 twitch.

>> No.73912749

>>73912662
>I’m very proud of both of them for name dropping and grifting hololive because they opulent get noticed on their own content and talent
strange flex

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>> No.73912802

>>73912749
Not now 2 views, adults are talking.

>> No.73912829

>>73912749
where do you think we are lol
weak bait

>> No.73913044

>>73912662
It's probably one of the most unexpected byproducts of the HoloEN boom, I never thought I'd see the day where EN Vtubers would be the patron saints of Japanese indies, and it's still really funny to think about Kari-chan kakkoii inspiring generations.

>> No.73913065

>>73912771
kek, i remember that

>> No.73913143

This is a resulting audience that comes from doing:
> Who are you as a company, what do you offer?
> We're so much better than the company A.
> We do x compared to company A.
> company A content bad so we're better than company A.
Constant comparisons to something popular rather than just promoting what makes their company unique easily leads to widespread toxic behaviour in an entire fanbase. Or rather it attracts the type of audience that hates company A to begin with, and when they gets bigger their ego grows alongside it and proclaim as better than company A when throughout its growth they have continuously relied on comparing with company A to grow. It's inevitable that there would be conflict between the two fanbases.

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>>73912749
You still have to be GOOD at your job and prepared for once you actually get your big break. Look at how Quinn completely failed to capture an audience after leeching off matara/kuro/other large indies for multiple weeks, while Sayu just got one big bump after Doki's shit vindicated her, and she kept growing from there. Sayu grinded her fucking ass off for months to get herself back in the game and by the time she got her "chance" she was genuinely ready for it and on top of her game.

>> No.73913377

>>73909959
Nah.
It is so hard to made it to even mid 3view without having any associated to brands like holo, niji, vshojo.

It’s what makes me respect fillian and most of phase connect so much. baubau were lower level peers to the phase girls and couldn’t cut on the small corpo level, and look at them now with a blue dorito pushing them. so imagine how big fillian or phase girls would be if they had the blue dorito? they mogged baubau back then when they were on equal footing.

>> No.73913505

>>73913318
Sayu is reclining again since the NIJI hate wave has died down. Her entire content cycle is waiting for the next graduation and she can leverage that to try and get her name back in the news cycle.
That is the pitfall of people only caring about her when it’s time for her to play perpetual victim, and not actual good content.

>> No.73913535

>>73913044
To borrow a boomer platitude. Rising tides lifts all boats. It’s nice there are more extroverted Holos that will reach out and lift indies without wanting anything out of it.

>> No.73913595

>>73913377
> Branding matters so much
What is the specialty of phase?
Would baubau be a great fit for them?

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>>73913505
>reclining

>> No.73913676

>>73913318
quinn is still making money, there is nobody anymore that can take cuts from him. sayu is more successful now for sure and getting collabs option with big twitch and decent sized vtuber corpo names like filian and phasegirls, but why you gotta bring a bro down to prop up your girl like that ?

>> No.73913715

>>73913663
>max viewers
Show avg

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>>73913676

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>>73913715
Notice the trend?
The longer she streams, the more people snowball and STAY.

>> No.73913808

>>73913676
Sayu fans have a big inferiority complex.

>> No.73913872

>>73913806
>>73913663
>twitch
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

>> No.73913897

>>73913595
For example
watching hololive for cgdct
indies for reaction and drama content
niji for male vtubers
vshojo for fleshstreams with vtubing
And phase for edginess and unhingeness

>> No.73913910

>>73913808
But enough about Phase fans.

>> No.73913958

>>73913910
not the best look considering Sayu hard orbits Phase Connect

>> No.73913970

>>73913808
Do you blame us? She still gets hate all over the place, and since she's a dumb bitch who pays far, far more attention to chat and other social media than she should, she's prone to being affected more often than most, though she has improved a lot.

>> No.73914108

>>73913377
It's crazy how much even a middling brand will do. Even though everyone knew Muyu's PL and how highly she was recommended/hyped up, she still gets like 10x as much CCV as she used to now that she's in Phase.
Like, I know it'd never happen, but imagine the spiderhag in hololive. It's real easy to imagine her being every bit as popular as the dogs.

>> No.73914477

>>73914108
Very possible, although I kinda doubt it with her game choices, the EN audience doesn't like retro games, and perms would destroy her. But yeah, even small corpos like Phase and Idol can give 2views a huge view multiplier. That's just the power of brands.

>> No.73914946

>>73914477
Perm bullshit's the least of it, IMO. I mean, Korone does just fine (even if she has a more corpo-compatible flavor of retrotism). There are a lot of other reasons I think it'll never happen, but if it did, it's crazy to imagine how it might go.

>> No.73914988

>>73914946
Amiya isn’t trying to be a 4view holo

>> No.73915156

>>73914988
yeah, i know. i think i've been perfectly clear i don't think she'll ever want to apply. it's a hypothetical, anon. an if statement.

>> No.73915217

>>73915156
If I had wheels I’d be a wagon

>> No.73915275

>>73909959
Its kinda like joining a corpo. You got to really shill yourself and gas yourself up. Whether or not that effort gets you anywhere is all down to luck.

>> No.73915326

>>73911869
At this point i feel that anyone screaming sister is just a fucking newfag that stumbled in with the dramafaggotry. Do your fucking reps nigger.

>> No.73915466

>>73913377
Ultrasmallcorps are honestly a debuff compared to being indie

>> No.73915542

>>73915466
what's considered an "ultrasmallcorp"?

>> No.73915575

>>73915466
Ultra small corpos are supposed to be stepping stone jobs. Anybody still grinding it out after a year and hasn’t upgrade to another corpo is an idiot

>> No.73915784

>>73909959
No but that goes for most of them
>>73911166
>>>>a bit menhera.

>> No.73915851

>>73915575
I think it depends. Like if you’re a gen1 and got in at the ground level of a small corpo, it is worth it to stick it out on the off chance the corpo hits. If it hits and you’re a gen1, you’re essentially a made man and will always be protected and have a small semblance of legacy within the company. You become protected class.

>> No.73916362

>>73915851
But when has that ever worked out besides Phase Connect? How many times does shit go wrong and it doesn’t matter? Every time, that’s how many.

>> No.73916493

>>73915542
being a vtuber for an english ero-VN localization company

>> No.73916504

>>73916362
That’s my point look at at their Gen1 that is an example of a hit and the gen benefits from hitting. They have low performing girls who are gonna be in a real trading card game because they happened to get on the ground level of an upstart corpo. They always get factored in with merch, covers, cons and treated as equals because of their gen. They have it made.

>> No.73916543

>>73911314
We all know who the gura killer is. She's just too busy making barbie and roblox content to come down the throne and remind the shark who is the apex predator.

>> No.73916861

>>73911766
The protagonist in the early chapters

Nah seriously, whatever migo went thru is some literal epic story. From the lowest of the low to the peakest of the peak.

>> No.73916958

>>73916504
As they should. The first gen girls gambled by auditioning for Phase and won. There are like 10 other small corpo drop outs in Phase that picked wrong the first time. they gambled and lost

>> No.73918251

>>73913872
yes, pagpag muncher. they filter third worlders. only /#/browns and nijivermin think twitch is a buff to ccv lol

>> No.73919915

>>73909959
yes

>> No.73920024

>>73916958
Is it gambling when the girls themselves are responsible for how Phase turned out to be?

Like yeah Sakana is a good businessman and all but they had to beat him into submission before phase actually became big.

>> No.73922325

>>73909959
absolutely NO ONE in hololive would be as successful if they weren't IN hololive. their brand carries them, not their talent or streaming prowess.

>> No.73922398

>>73911031
They built it by pandering to the based audience. Lumi pippa and tenma are all just the next nyanners.

>> No.73922952

>>73922325
Oh hey Connor, how goes riding around that bike around Japan?

>> No.73923144

>>73922952
>Bae on a good day had 30 viewers, average 10
>Kiara was either becomming a cashier in Austria or JAV industry because her streaming career hit 0 views
Just 2 example of amazing Hololive talent without the brand.

>> No.73924150

>>73923144
This is futile anon. Hololive fans are total cultists. They do not reapond to reason. For as much as I love my oshi, I know she would have continued to be irrelevant until she got into Hololive. These guys just cabt accept that for some reason

>> No.73924230

>>73909959
Yes, before hololive she had a million sub. She could pull it off especially after a graduation buff from hololive. Anyone telling you no is a corporate bootlicker who oshi the company and not the talent.

>> No.73924240

>>73909959
Wasn't Mumei PL the biggest out of all HoloEN hires? She would be fine.

>> No.73924272

>>73910329
Nobody knew who the fuck fuwamoco is because the average person doesn't watch foreigners pretending to be Japanese in some mid reality TV show.

>> No.73924919

>>73922398
Lumi is a passenger and had nothing to do with Phase’s growth

>> No.73925054

>>73911374
There are 2view Nijis. Not were, are.

>> No.73925149

>>73910329
>>73910547
The thing is they weren't participating in the 3view twitch circlejerk or anything, they were very much doing their own weird thing.

>> No.73925387

>>73925149
Yeah so then they just got involved in the biggest circle jerk and easy cheat code in the industry instead.

>> No.73925429

>>73909959
I know you'd be a 1view since the funeral will be your biggest stream you ever had in your worthless life.

>> No.73926025

>>73911374
Phaseniggers first vtuber was Pippa.

>> No.73926041

>>73911655
She did reach 3M, but not before Gura did (and then dropped below again because she isn't active anymore)

>> No.73926399

>>73913377
>so imagine how big fillian or phase girls would be if they had the blue dorito?
You are so fucking retarded. Cover doesn't hire on popularity or reach of a talent but on the suitability. Fuwamoco were a hit because they fit holo like a glove, they are perfect for their viewers. Your average twitch whore like Filian wouldn't because her brand image is sucking cocks on stream and shitting herself in front of her kids' audience.

>> No.73926516

>>73926399
Anon you missed his point entirely
He is talking about hololives money, infrastructure, advertising, built infrastructure fanbase.
We have seen what Fuwamoco are without the power of hololive behind them they were essentially Prism Project 2views.

>> No.73926631
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73926631

>>73922398
That’s a lot of Nyanners

>> No.73926726

>>73924240
You'd think they know her PL with the Doki event.
Just have to look her channel up and see that she was doing great as an indie. Better than Nijisanji.

>> No.73926768

>>73913505
>entire game is waiting for niji graduations
She ain't going to have to wait very long then lmao. Graduation factory.

>> No.73926782

>>73914946
Pre-perms Korone was a god.

>> No.73926867

>>73926516
>Brand choose a talent they know would fit their roster.
>Talent gets exposure from it because she fits the roster and spirit of the brand
>Mutual satisfaction between the two parties: the talent got the brand new fans interested in the brand experience while keeping the old ones. The brand gave the talent a following they wouldn't reach.

The problem being? Filian with the holo brand would reach the same if less clout because holo fans aren't interested while those who are already follows her. Same thing with Plappa. There are a few exceptions to the rule, Shiori for example has a lot in common with some of the phase girls but she is more akin to Lia than to the drama shit magnet that is Plappa.

>> No.73926902

Any 0views in here?

>> No.73927538

>>73924150
This is just like saying "This guy I like will never be big and relevant unless he join an org like Mythic or OTK" Like ok dude who's fault is that? The corpo fans?
Vtubing is not a novelty anymore, you can literally click in any categories on Twitch and every single time you can find a vtuber one or two in there.

>> No.73928003

>>73927538
What point are you trying to make?

>> No.73928110

why even argue with the brownoids
they know nothing about vtubing outside of their tiny bubble

>> No.73928481

>>73928003
I was just trying to say how it is a corpo fans fault that someone you like will always be irrelevant and will never make it big without them (an org). And vtubing in general are stale nowadays because there's just so many of them now, unlike back in the 2021/2022.

>> No.73928588

>>73910329
>>73910482
>>73910547
This terminology is so fucking stupid and cringy.

>> No.73928733

>>73928588
This. The Finana scale is much more appropriate.

>> No.73929121

>>73928481
So we agree then. Don't see what the problem was

>> No.73929820

>>73929121
>So we agree then
I mean you were right. I literally only watch Hololive for Vtubers, I'm sorry but I just can't be fucking bothered if it's not them and if none of the girls I like were streaming, I just go back to twitch and watch my fleshie streamers, and no I don't watch any Vtubers at all on Twitch. If this a cultist behavior? Depends on how do you see it. I mean at least I'm self aware. And not every Hololive fans are like me anyways.

>> No.73930010

Holos actually, undebatably completely carried and would struggle to have 100 viewers based solely on their ability to stream:
>Moona
>Bae
>Ina
>Bijou
Nobody else.

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