Why are western indies like this?

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And ones working for Mythic no less:
https://twitter.com/lauritarpg/status/1776759093782352037

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funny why so many retard still use PayPal

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skill issue, make better art

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I fucking hate artists

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>>73163456
Nobody should get paid for drawing anything.

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>>73163456
>claiming that the emotes she received were DAMAGED & UNUSABLE
A normal person will ask the artist send again if this happens
Why would she even think that's a legit reason?

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The Mythic shills have found the thread

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>>73163456
>working for mythic
retard

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isn't mythic the fleshie grifter group

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>>73163456
mythic is a sponsorship company they just package everyone in their talent pool to advertisers.

They have no responsibilities what their talent does.

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Is False gonna cover this? I remember he's close to mythic

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>>73163955
>>73164263
lol

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>>73163456
>2022

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>>73163456
>"artist"
What did you expect? AI can't replace these people fast enough.

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>>73163456
Why the fuck are they so expensive

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>>73163456
>He cut the timestamp off
Old and gay

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>>73163456
Stop using Paypal

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>>73163456
>676$ for a dozen emotes
Shit nigga, for that money I'll train an AI LoRa of you and make you a couple hundreds, with as much feedback and editing as you want.

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>>73164493
>>73164375

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>>73164708
great, we're almost rid of nijinigs and now we have to deal with mythic niggers too

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>>73163553
You can't stop a chargeback from happening if the person is determined to contact their bank about it.

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>>73164648
Can AI make emotes?

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>>73164708
Full link then are you that much of a coward

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>>73164375
THIS for 676 usd? Jesas. I could draw that in a day and charge half the price.

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>>73165066
It's literally in the op you retard.

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>>73164884
Yes, there are various resources specifically geared towards icons, emotes, logos, etc.
Even generalist models can make that sort of stuff though.

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>>73165066

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>>73164525
what's the alternative?

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>>73164384
AI won't replace shit because humans won't let it. And by that I don't mean artist, I mean you AIchuds. There's already examples of you cannibalizing each other's gens to make your own, and lord knows you'd sooner shut the whole show down than see others profit on your own "hard earned art"

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>>73164783
This shit won't happen if the artist only take crypto, try to chargeback that shit lol>>73164783
This shit won't happen if the artist only take crypto, try to chargeback that shit lol

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>>73164288
He's one of like 200 people signed to them

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>>73165066
So this is the average /vt/ resident.

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>>73165561
i think that's a wandering mythic shill

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>>73165094
lot of scammers, grifters, and and free money among online-only artist commissions.

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>>73165223
I dunno who "you" is, I've only dabbled in generating stuff myself. But the idea that there's some consortium that's going to "shut the whole show down" is laughable. The AI equivalent of butthurt traditional artists on twitter is not exactly the driving force here.

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>>73164375
You can charge back 2year old transactions ?

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>>73165688
I could see her giving her the run around and not paying for two years, with the payment only being recently and then charged back recently.
Maybe the 7/8 gets into that but fuck off I don't care.

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>>73165688
I tried checking PayPal terms but didn't see anything that listed a time frame for when charge backs had to be issued so... maybe? Pretty fucked up if true. That could really fuck up someone's finances.

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>>73165688
If you read on in the original thread apparently the commission was delivered at the end of January and she has still been doing updates/reworks to the emotes since then. I think the time limit for disputes in paypal is 90 days, so it seems plausible.

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Fell off, stopped streaming and went looking for a refund

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>>73165943
Menheras sure love fucking up whatever career they still had

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>>73164288
What's even wrong with those emotes? They look completely fine to me.

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>>73165927
You can only get a refund within 6 months of payment.

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>>73165943
>it's a /lig/ger
why would you torpedo your career like this

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>>73166039
Most likely >>73165943. If I had to bet she was running low on funds so she filed false charge backs to get her money back and probably figured she wouldn't be streaming anymore. That or she decided she didn't want them anymore and being a dumb cunt figured she should get her money back or something retarded like that. Lots of women don't really have a concept of "long term consequences"

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If this happened to Ina you fuckers would be demanding blood.
I don't know this girl or care about her story, but if someone delivers commissioned work exactly as you asked you can't just chargeback because you don't like the end result. That's scummy as fuck.

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>>73166123
>Most likely >>73165943.
The problem is, 0.7 finanas is more than respectable in terms of CCV.

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>>73166191
Like i said dumb cunt is also a very possible explanation. I've worked in customer service before and had people that thought they should get a full refund on something they bought 4 years ago because they didn't want it anymore. Could be malice. Could be stupidity. Probably both.

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>>73163456
Makes you think why it took two fucking years to debut HoloEN 3 huh

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I wish death upon the art community

I will imprison a small indonesian villager and force them to make all my art for me

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>>73163909
She's not saying it's legitimate, it's very clearly a scam

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>>73163456
Because western viewers have no consistent moral values. Western society has made a practice of arguing that whatever your own inclination is, that's the most ethical behavior.
Obviously the only correct behavior is to always uphold your end of an agreement as the one that commissioned work. You cannot take it back, even when the work does not meet your standards. It's your responsibility to write it off and to not commission that person again. This de-incentivizes people delivering shoddy work, without trying to start unnecessary drama. A look on her timeline also shows that she has publicly bemoaned the price riggers and artists demand for their work.
You have to understand that many of them take a lot of time to work on these commissions, which justifies the high prices they ask. The correct behavior is again to accept this and to plan around it, instead of trying to discourage people from pricing their work such that they can survive and thrive.
It's only when you are selfish and dismiss the needs of others that you start to stray from the correct behavior and still think you're in the right. Just like there are people that say custom model commissions should be almost free so they can get into vtubing, by completely ignoring the amount of work that goes into it. You can only get to that sort of reasoning when there is complete moral decline that tries to justify selfishness as the greatest virtue.

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>>73166130
Ina isn't dumb

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>>73166527
Ina has said she got scammed in the past by people not paying her for work. Happens to every artist at some point.

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>>73164648
>because you have prices I do not want to pay I will steal your work and generate derivatives
This really emphasizes where the western fandom is at.

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>>73166556
Ina isn't dumb anymore*

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>>73164288
>>73166039
She even uploaded them, huh? So much for them being broken. You really can't trust the scummy community of western indie vtubers.

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this is really horrible. I cant believe Njijisanji let their talents bully another talent into suicide attempts and then terminated the talent that was bullied because they did not want to own up to their faults. Not only that but the bully in question also outed herself with a weird black screen stream. It's really baffling how Elira is still allowed to work and how she still has supporters despite almost ending someone's life with her actions.

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>>73166560
The problem with AI without artists is that it has to start using other AI images as reference.

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>>73165943
>>73166123
Yeah, unless she has a huge whale, she is not going to make enough to cover even minimum wage. She was probably spending beyond her means because she thought she would make it big, like she's the main character in a movie.

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>>73163553
>>73164525
You can chargeback normal credit card transactions. Maybe this artist used PayPal, maybe they didn't? But even a QuickBooks invoice paid via credit card can still have the customer issue a chargeback.
Disputes fucking suck, because you lose some amount of money even if you win them.

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>>73166130
Ina is charming and all but I'm committed to my 'fuck artists' principles. Steal artists' work, scam artists out of payment, replace artists with AI, mock artists at every turn.

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>>73166669
>She was probably spending beyond her means because she thought she would make it big, like she's the main character in a movie.
To be fair, that's what investments are. You spend money with the idea you will make more back. Ideally you shouldn't spend more than you can afford but it's not how it works in reality.

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>>73166635
It's because the models are just a descriptive model of underlying statistical relationships between pixel features among existing works. What you're talking about is a problem similar to "how many times do you need to apply a filter before an image becomes original."

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>>73166635
Human art will always have prestige value and AI is getting shockingly good at learning from small pools. I may long for total artist death but the most competent and creative ones will always find work and their work will seed AI learning.

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>>73166775
However, in part that's also what the mythology of investment are. The mythology that if you invest it might or will certainly take off. All the nuance is left forgotten to the side. These sorts of vtubers are the equivalent of dropshipping products, there's no underlying value, and they're just mimicking others. The difference is that the investment is higher and the appeal is more niche. Only spending what you can afford is exactly how it should work. Make sure you can spend that much before you do it, or make sure you can create assets on your own. Buying your way into this industry results in a glut of very lackluster vtubers and only a few of them will end up with a viable business.

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>>73166923
The AI doesn't really learn though. It just adapts more to the new input data. A new artist becomes popular and you pump it into the AI, now the output resembles their work more. Next you flood the AI with scribbles from toddlers, and now the output resembles toddler scribbles more. That isn't learning in any way that we've ever talked about it for living humans and other animals.

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>>73167064
Yes, yes, I'm well aware that AI isn't really AI and has no idea what it's doing. I don't bother being specific about that stuff unless it's relevant, the AI goes from not being able to do a thing to being able to do it, colloquially that's learning.

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>>73166619
Notthat surprising when you learn how toxic workplaces operate.

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Artists are the backbone of the industry. Without them, vtubers would just be facecam streamers.

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>>73165094
These are just a few of them. >>73164288
Cost a little extra because you get to monetize them.

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>>73167302
So, basically the same with fewer lunatics in the audience who think they're watching anime rather than streamers? Sounds like all upside

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>>73167302
no wonder westerners hate artists, they'd love it if everyone was flesh ewhores instead

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>>73167164
It is really AI though. People saying there is AI and true AI are talking nonsense and misunderstand what the term refers to.
>the AI goes from not being able to do a thing to being able to do it, colloquially that's learning.
That is not learning though. Only in the sense that you are using metaphors and confusing yourself. In the same way you could say that almost every program you use is learning. It's less advanced, but if you keep on searching for pictures from one artist, then Google is going to start showing you their work more and more. That is the same sense of learning you're using. Perhaps even less so, since there are other things about your usage profile that goes into that, and the model is really just based on the work you train it on.

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this is why I watch JP vtubers, the west is full of grifters

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>>73167416
Yes, non-AI algorithms like that are also something I'd probably call learning. No, it's not like people or animals learning, but words can have broad and non-literal meanings. Nobody is confused here but you.

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>>73163456
>676$ for emotes
ahahaha what the fuck

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>>73163456
based, fuck twitchfags

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>>73166130
Ina deserves to get scammed for being an "artist".

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>>73167642
It is realistic if you charge let's say like $25/h and work very slow and meticulous

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>>73165943
>still top 0.2% of twitch
Just in case you needed a reminder that this platform is a joke

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>>73167563
No, clearly I am not confused, because I understand what it is actually doing. You could have just said it mimics statistical relationships between inputs. Instead of saying that it learns, implying that it understands and uses the input to progress further. The only progress comes from the people that create the original works.

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>>73163598
Majority of the images posted in this board are made by artists, you fucking faggot.
>>73163741
You should have been aborted by your mother but here we are.

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>>73167814
Clueless.

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>>73167809
for template emotes lol
these would take less than 30 minutes each even if you're the slowest artist out there

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>>73167814
The vast majority of people are boring m*les who stream to 0 people, it isnt that impressive being in the top percent

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>>73163456
Mythic is just a glorified email list for 95% of the talents. I don't think they care.

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>>73167829
It's literally called machine learning you retard, it's the common term, everyone understood what I meant, even you. You're just being pedantic and trying to cure me of a misconception I don't have because you're too autistic to understand how people use language even after it's been explained to you.

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>>73167868
Clearly you are when you have never even heard of this "top 0.2%" streamer until today

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>>73168062
I didn't object to the term ML, I objected to your usage of ascribing learning to it.
I am guessing that you would never say that my notebook is learning if I write something in it. However, that is exactly the kind of thing you're saying for these models. Any objection to this is because you misunderstand. Everyone knows that I can turn my hypothetical idealized notebook into a Turing complete computer and implement the same models on pen and paper.

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>>73168150
1 - I had heard of them
2 - It would put her in the top 0.2% on youtube or kick too just like finana

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>>73164375
Can't lie these are way overpriced. But the vtuber did pay for it, you don't have to agree to exorbitant fees.

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Why are AIfags so obnoxious?

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>>73168278
Artists I just want to fuck off, I support UBI, I don't want them to literally die, but autists like you go into the actual gas chamber

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>>73163456
> Working for Mythic
Is she? Isn't Mythic the one that worked for them?

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>>73163456
who would pay that much for shitty emotes. i would have chargeback too if I got charged that much for tiny ass drawings

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>>73168062
NTA but you're a total fucking retard who was wrong in your very first post. Fuck off and die you waste of space. I hope your mother gets liver cancer and dies painfully as punishment for birthing you.

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>>73165094
Then do it.
Stop being a bitch behind "I could".

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>>73168459
Yeah I agree but she had been using them for years so...

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>>73166123
she probably got into nijisanji. i saw one of her clip she sounded like a brown skin pagpag eater

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>>73168657
If that's the case let her keep the money, she's gonna need it.

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>>73164648
Then do it. Where is your Twatter page with examples and prices for your LoRa generated emotes?

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>>73168459
>i would have chargeback too if I got charged that much for tiny ass drawings
>Chargeback after you agree to pay for 'tiny ass drawings'
Are you a nigger Anon?

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I used to work at Home Depot and after New Year's there were always assholes bringing dead Christmas trees back for a refund. Some people are just filth.

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>retards ITT not understanding a fucking chargeback
A chargeback also has a chargeback fee as a percentage of the total, sometimes the chargeback fee is completely randomly outrageous for no fucking reason.

If you charged 100 bucks for an emote, and someone charges back, it can randomly be like 400 bucks in total for the fee because it "inconveniences" the bank. Not only THAT but then (You) get hit with the charge and can go into the negatives off of it because YOU have to pay back the bank now.
It's super retarded for no reason.

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>>73172072
Read the thread
Those emotes were done 2 years ago. There isn't a single bank or anything in the world that will let you chargeback that far back

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Reasons /vt/ hates artists
>They charge too much for a product they don't understand and won't buy
>Some of them are gay/women
You're not charging for the size or the time spent drawing them you're charging for their experience. Imagine getting uppity because established artists aren't taking 5 dollar commissions or content with getting trampled on and charged back.

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>>73172810
>/vt/
it's mythic raider shills

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Artists don't deserve shit. Your profession is so easy it can be automated by an AI. You will be replaced in the next decade, and there's nothing going can do about it. Be grateful that the general vtubing community is anti AI... For now.

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>>73172967
People should really be calling them illustrators and not artists. Artists are still hard to replace because they produce new ideas and original styles. Some tumblr tranny who draws fanart, furry porn and twitch emotes is an illustrator, barely a step above a grunt drawing grass textures.

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>>73167896
It's copyright fee probably.

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>>73172967
>Your profession is so easy it can be automated by an AI
this is 50% of jobs

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Does mythic let anyone in? This girl is a nobody.

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>>73173221
Any "grunt" employed at a game studio to draw textures probably gets paid pretty well, better than most freelancers

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>>73172967
You do realize that the entire vtuber sphere would basically disappear without them. People who rig models are artists too.

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>>73173355
Is that supposed to convince him? This is /vt/, we hate vtubers here

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>>73164288
>False having integrity
Good one

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>>73173413
If it's not tangentially related to Nijisanji drama he doesn't care or it'll be a footnote at best. He'll probably prioritize a clip of Enna saying she pooped her pants over covering the fact that everyone in Ethyria is getting 3D

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> i hate artists because they're women

You realize some vtubers are women? You realize some vtubers are women artists?

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>>73173325
Have you considered that maybe that might change if a company can use AI and save a shitload of money?

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>>73173965
Wasn't really the point, just that for a statement trying so hard to dunk on someone, it's really understating how much value the commercial market gave to "mere" texture artists

I also actually don't see AI replacing texture artists, on that subject - cutting things up for UV mapping is a hell and a half and produces visually incomprehensible hellscapes that will differ depending on the specific model you need to use it with

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>>73174226
I'm pretty sure I never talked about the current market value of anything. Grass textures were an example of a low-prestige low-creativity form of illustration work, of the sort that only the most dedicated ideologue would say no soulless AI should or will ever replace. The average twitter whiner is closer to being that than an "artist" as far as I'm concerned.

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>>73167326
>monetization fees
no respectable artist would charge extra for emotes that literally only get used for sub emotes. that fee should only apply to art merch or 3rd party advertisements

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>>73174860
On Twitch you can use sub emotes on every channel and good enough emotes can be effective advertisements in and of themselves. Custom items are always ridiculously expensive.

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>>73173325
I haven't hand-drawn textures in 10 years. It's been all Substance Designer/Painter or Quixel these days for me.
Stylized games maybe.

Cleanup and making things tileable is obviously still necessary.

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>>73173507
No one gives a fuck about flopthyria lol

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>>73166751
NTA, but enjoy your hobby based entirely on 2d art once all the artists fuck off and everything ends up based on one shitty LoRA that can't generate hands

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>>73175257
It can generate hands now

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>>73175257
My "hobby" (watching streamers is not a hobby) is based entirely on people sending mic audio and game footage over the internet. I watched streamers with no avatar or facecam for a decade before chuubas, I'll keep watching regardless of what happens to the anime girl gimmick.

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>>73175429
k, why are you here arguing about 2d anime girls? go back

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>>73168278
If your notebook can generate new outputs based on prior inputs then yes I'd call that learning. But it doesn't, so your example is absurd and pointless.

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>>73175479
Because I watch vtubers. The popularity of "vtuber in name only" twitch streamers, shitty as they are, shows anime faggots like you are the minority. You go back to /a/.

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>>73175662
lol enjoy your seethe

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>>73175662
Absolute faggot

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>>73175794
Seethe at what? I'm having a whale of a time watching streamers and I'll keep having one even if they don't put an anime girl on screen. We'll see seethe when we get your reaction to the animes going away.

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Based fuck artists. Art should be free, fuck those greedy faggots.

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>>73176075

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>>73173663
All Vtubers are male

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>>73175662
>i watch vtubers
>anime faggots
show non anime vtubers, faggot

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>>73172810
just wanted to give you a reminder that all artists (except a literal handful) will go extinct in under 10 years due to ai art, so you better start saving money or learning a new trade soon

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>>73177498
just wanted to give you a reminder that all posters (except a literal handful) will go extinct in under 10 years due to ai bots, so you better start saving money or learning a new trade soon

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>>73177285
I don't resent the chuubas for being anime girls, I like anime art well enough, I just mean the faggots who treat chuubas like anime characters and get mad at any reminders that they're just streamers. Lots of em on this board.
There's some weird chuuba models out there though, back when I was still looking at random indies I remember seeing a guy who had an adjustable wrench for a head.

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>>73177498
delusional nijinigger

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>>73177701
We can only hope.

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>>73163456
AI WILL REPLACE THEM!

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>>73175554
If it's a turing computer then it can do everything a digital computer can. So, if you think a digital computer can do what you describe, then so can the notebook.

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>>73177753
oh, well be more specific next time. I don't disagree with that statement. Thank you for clarifying.

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>>73163553
What's the alternative?

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>>73174860
Custon emotes are paywalled. It only makes sense.

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>>73178030
Fair enough, I was definitely unclear. Godspeed, anon.

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>>73178304
Godspeed, moderately sane enjoyer

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>>73163553
Chargeback m8. It is a dispute where you tell the bank you want your money back, you get your money back. Then the bank goes to whoever received your money and pesters them until they get the money, and/or slap them with bad credit, so it gets harder for them to run their business. There is a good reason why chargebacks tend to get you banned and blacklisted from stores.

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>>73179449
That's true. I guess what will end up happening is that people will eventually gather together in one place like vgen and then have a site-wide blacklist when customers chargeback. It will probably take 5-10 years before it gets to that point though.

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>>73163456
Mythic! Fillian! Drama! Whores! Scams!

Say it ain’t so…

[Anonymous No.]

Contrarian shitposters and AI grifters deserve the death penalty.

[Anonymous No.]

I just find the idea of "my pngs were damaged during shipping" to be a funny concept.

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>>73177753
>they're just streamers.
That's why have to go by trusted brands. Some companies continually hire and churn out shit. Be safe and follow a trusted brand like Hololive that provides guidance and support.
Most indies, like this girl, are not pretty when put in desperate situations. Streamers, like people, are inherently bad without guidance. and support. It's not a coincidence that Hololive talents seem more talented, but they have the support to be.

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>>73182034
ok, how many sponsors are Holomems getting in the West?

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>>73167854
>Majority of the images posted in this board are made by artists, you fucking faggot.

>Oh, you liked something I created ? That means now you can't criticize my behavior ever.

I fucking hate artists.

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>>73164288
>Bulgarian flag
no wonder she got scammed

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>>73163456
I thought I recognized the name, it's the bulgarian vtuber. No wonder she's a retarded scamming cunt
t. bulgarian

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>>73181180
4chan actually damages them sometimes, so it's possible.

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>>73163456
She's upgrading to new ones and needs the money for them. Please understand.

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>>73168354
They have no souls so they get really insecure when it's called out on

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>>73163456
Because you're eop

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>>73163456
not my problem

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>>73167809
Unless you're using pencil and paper and mail the result to your customer in a standard envelope there's no way you can charge that little. The hourly rate has to pay off the tools you use as well.

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>>73167814
If only you knew how streaming works.

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>>73163456
>676$
>not even good emotes
>Anti AI
Just a grifter

[Anonymous No.]

>>73167814
200 ccv makes you top 0.2% of youtube too. You have no idea how many literal 0views there are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>73163456
>1/8
I will never forgive xitter for enabling this awful victim behavior in people and encouraging them to whine about everything

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>>73163553
What's better?

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>>73179449
Based. Be fair and do good work or get fucked. Chargeback scumming is rare because people actually are expected to not scam people

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>>73166130
only a retarded nigger would try to scam a god

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>>73192995
I don't think you know what that word means.

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>>73163456

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>>73166274
Jesus. We should have listened to the social Darwinists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>73182357
That is what Cover USA is for.

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>>73173507
Or if Idol pays him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkyOWbqm1go

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>>73163456
Jesus just tell the artist to fix whatever you wanted them to fix instead of doing a chargeback. That is so retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>73166123
What a fucking bitch. If she needed money that badly don't take it out on the artist. Now she ruined her reputation. Dumb cunt.

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>>73173279
way more than 50% of jobs anon, its closer to 90% or maybe even 98%

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>>73182435
Take solace that the overwhelming majority of artists will never get their break and remain the bums they deserve to be

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>>73199469
i kneel

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>>73164288
Hue

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>>73172810
Thanks for illustrating why AI is supperior

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>>73167854
Artists are, without exception, one of the most obnoxious, self-aggrandizing, narcissistic collective of cunts out there.

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>>73225611
Then use it and stop bitching. There's enough free AIshit out there.

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>>73165943
is there not a time limit on when a chargeback can be made?

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>>73168496
nta, but how do I get the connections to do so? And has the impact of AI "art" stopped disrupting things? I wanted to try being an artist after wandering through an artist alley at an anime con and seeing people with booths actually selling stuff that I could probably draw better and also having very peculiar porn I want to see that doesn't seem to exist but abandoned the idea when I saw how many established artists were freaking out about it and thought me starting from nothing with no connections probably wouldn't stand a chance.

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>>73227552
Where I'm at among nip circles, most artists have stopped freaking out over AI since oversaturation of AI art actually created the unintended effect of their works being even more desired for their personal touch.

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>>73163456
Why are western artists like that?
I just got for listening to some kirshe chick bitching about getting scammed by artists constantly.
Why can't these westerners do anything without muckin' aboot?

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>>73227760
I guess that's cool but I'm not sure I'd ever be able to get into those and I don't know if I'd be able to get involved with western ones since I hate the trannies, pronouns, niggers and jews that twitter loves

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>>73226824
>no u
Lmao
Its the artfags that cry the most

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>>73231055
this

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>>73163456
who?

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Artists are a fucking nightmare to work with. Western ones mainly.
Will charge exorbitant rates, take months to deliver, hand you a piece of shit AFTER the deadline and then get upset when you say it's not the agreed upon quality.
One fucker has Comms still from years ago but draws art of new chuubas he wants to groom on debut days.

And they ONLY draw shit when called on publicly and have their reputation on the line because it affects future money.
Actual subhumans.

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>>73235458
Japanese artists are worse. Ever notice how the worst JP vtubers are also artists?

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>>73235538
Don't ever comm a chuuba ever under any circumstances.
But honestly the one thing SEA has value for is that the artists usually do good quick art for a decent price. Because if they don't they fucking die.

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>>73163456
>Mythic whore
Kek

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>>73164288
Someone need to mention Legal Mindset about this

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>>73168657
She's not germany? Saw one of her replies in germany, or maybe she speaks multilanguages

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>>73235458
this is true but jp artists are not different, even "professional" ones ghost clients quite often for a long time, with such an attitude it is justifiable to use AI instead.