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71136419 No.71136419 [Reply] [Original]

What really makes one an idol or not?

>> No.71136490

>>71136419
>An idol
My dick
>Not an idol
OP

>> No.71136531

Mori is an unlikable cunt
The rest are fine

>> No.71136582

suisei isnt old enough to get me hard

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>>71136419
Starbucks drama deflection thread

>> No.71136632

>>71136490
Idols are notorious for entering the asses of non-idols.

>> No.71136644

>>71136419
Bae is an idol because she's likeable. Mori isn't an idol because she isn't. Simple as.

>> No.71136694

>>71136419
>holo vs holo thread
Nice slide thread, sis.

>> No.71136721

>>71136419
>Left
Worked hard to get where they're at right now. Worthy of being idolized.
>Right
Got everything handed to them. Not worthy of being idolized.

>> No.71136868

>>71136419
>idols, Japan
Based
>idols, Anglosphere
Cringe

>> No.71136950

>>71136419
these four are idols

>> No.71136962
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>>71136531
>>71136644
I like Calli.

>> No.71137035

>>71136868
But all four of those people live in Japan

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>> No.71137269

I don’t even know what idol means anymore and I’m not sure the majority of /vt/ does either

>> No.71137283

Sora- cute and sex
Mori- *brap*

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>> No.71137316

>>71137177
got me trippin'

>> No.71137335

>>71136419
>Idol
My oshi
>Not an idol
Everyone else

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>>71136531

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>> No.71137471

>>71137426
She's so feminized...

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>> No.71137553

>>71136419
this >>71136531 but + Kiara + Nerissa + Matsuri + Ollie

>> No.71137642

>>71136531
>>71137553
Just because you don't personally like her doesn't make her less of an idol. That's like saying Naruto isn't an anime because it's shit.

>> No.71137653

>>71137553
Matsuri is funny though, so she gets a pass.

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>> No.71137698

>>71137035
a rrat that lives in a stable is not a horse

>> No.71137836

>>71136419
Left: JP
Right: EN
It's that easy.

>> No.71138009

Op is a retard, by these points even rick astley qualifies as an idol

>> No.71138023

>>71136419
They are idols. That's why trannies jumped ship from the "idol" cope to the "cgdct" cope.

>> No.71138159

>>71138009
but Rick Astley is an Idol anon...

>> No.71138241

>>71136419
One side is hard working and you actually see the fruits of their labor.
The other side is "tumy hort."

>> No.71138260

>>71136419
Technically, most holomem belong on the right. They can call themselves idol-inspired group, but there are no more than 5 talents that were (are) serious about pursuing music endeavors AND having to work for it. Sora started as a low 2view, didn't give up, and is still going strong. Suisei's story is somewhat similar because when she debuted, Hololive wasn't really a thing. Everyone after sankisei were instantly granted success without doing a single thing. I have no negativity toward EN branch, but how can you look at Myth and say that they had any idol-like struggles? Gura pretty much instantly received 1M subs just for saying "a" and constantly had 30k+ people watching her play MC with 0 songs and concerts under her belt. Mori was similar, but at least had her RIP song out. Sorry, but without the journey, there's no idol dream.
Besides all that, pink woman never really tried to give off JP idol vibes. It was all about rap for her. That's why when she released "可愛くてごめん // Sorry I'm So Cute! ", there were so many people surprised that she can even sing like that. I respect her for her work ethics, and she's truly an entertainer/performer worth her salt, but the path she has walked is completely different from her senpai or any traditional JP idol.

>> No.71138325

>>71136419
you forgot the distinction
>loves (all aspects of) idol culture
there you go / thread
this is the difference: mori loves the idol life in the moments and only in those moments when she is on stage and cries about le toxic hololive bubble fans when she doesn't reap (lol) the benefits

>> No.71138372

>>71136419
Suisei is not an idol.

>> No.71138375

>>71138260
The only correct answer which covers all the bases and isn't schizo

>> No.71138384

>>71138009
Ok, Mr. Idol Expert, explain all the objective qualifications someone needs to have in order to be considered an "idol." And
>She just is because I like her
doesn't count.

>> No.71138447

>>71138260
By that logic, no one in AKB48 can be an idol anymore because the group is too popular.

>> No.71138544

An idol is just a slightly more serious pop-star.

>> No.71138550

>>71136419
There are retards on this board that think that because someone is bad at singing and dance she's not an idol, when that is literally part of the idol journey

>> No.71138662

>>71136419

It's the same as the difference between a lewd girl and a whore.

Are they posting nudes because its hot or because they want the clout?

Are they singing songs because it's fun or because they want the clout?

>> No.71138743

>>71138260
Morning Musume in shambles

>> No.71138964

>>71138384
An idol is someone that works in entertainment specializing in driving engagement through their image, fashion, personality, and interactions both online and in person. Singing and dancing is NOT a requirement to be an idol, it is just one of the many skills na idol can possess. The main point of an idol is being someone that seems godlike but at the same time down to earth and relatable to fans. This is partly why they are called idols, because you can idolize them due to being able to relate to them but also respect and admire them.

>> No.71139002

>>71136419
Me. I'm the idolmaker. I decide who is or isn't an idol and anyone disagreeing with me is wrong

>> No.71139030

>>71138964
based

>> No.71139038

Which side is Towa on?

>> No.71139075

>>71136419
This is going to sound like a bullshit answer, but apart from the basic stuff such as singing/dancing/working hard, I would consider 'idol' to be more of a personal view. There's the point in the pic -
>inspires fanbase
but the real question is, does the talent inspire you? If so and they sing, dance, work hard, and entertain, they're an idol. If they don't inspire you, they're not an idol.
As far as male collaboration goes, I would argue that it's often more so not dating guys rather than not having at male collaboration. Take the group Under17. I would consider Haruko Momoi as an idol even though the guitarist Masaya Koike was a guy. She is multi-talented, hard working, and an entertainer that I would consider inspirational.
Going to hololive, I think the only ones that really inspire me personally are Fuwamoco and Suisei. Don't get me wrong - I don't have anyone in hololive I dislike, but I see them as entertainers, streamers, or just musicians. I don't really feel inspired them. Your answer may vary, and that's ok. Idolize who you want.

>> No.71139091

>>71138260
true

>> No.71139439

>>71139038
My dick

>> No.71139445

I feel like you guys are missing the point on idols, they don't even have to sing or dance, back in the day there were idols specialized in comedy, some in cuteness, some in different languages, etc. the thing they shared in common was appealing to the fans through interactions and fan events and influencing the youth through their own tastes, such as an idol saying she hates smoking and all her uncle fans dropping smoking. This singing and dancing stuff really only became synonymous with all idols thanks to kpop

>> No.71139524

>>71136419
they're not idols if they're competition for NijiEN whore livers and sister who post here and gaslight you into hating males and their competition

>> No.71139599

>>71136419
Try harder Nijitroon

>> No.71139798
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>>71136419
I'll never consider Mori a member of hololive, an idol, or a human being.

>> No.71139975

>>71138964
So Rick Astley, Elvis, the Kardashians and Taylor Swift are all idols

>> No.71140154

>"We want nothing to do with males!"
>Portrays self as a gachimuchi brony with a dick glued on his forehead
Roru

>> No.71140326

>>71139975
In English usage of the term, yes. Back in the day idols and an a certain high-tier level of celebs were practically synonymous. Rick no, Elvis definitely, Kardafucks maybe, Swift, probably yeah.

>> No.71140403

>>71136419
Suisei's songwriting collaborator is a male, you even see him playing the guitar during her One Take performance.
Sora has collaborated with multiple Holostars both on their channel and on the company channel.

>> No.71140415

>>71139445
>>71139075
>>71138964
Correct definition. The rest of you make me want to go back to 3d/2.5d idols, at least they have their heads on straight on what the medium is about over there.

>> No.71140486

>>71140403
read nigga read

>> No.71140489

>>71138325
Loving 'ALL aspects of idol culture' is like loving all aspects of Hollywood culture.
Anyone who does is subhuman.

>> No.71140553

>>71136531
That's pretty racist against italians

>> No.71140554

>>71140489
I doubt even flesh idols love 100% of the culture, and they invented it for god's sake.

>> No.71140684

unicorns are gay LARPers/antis

>> No.71140782

>>71138447
AKB48 is more similar to Nijisanji in how it's run. Top talents get everything there: get to be the center of the group, solo single releases, sponsorships and so on, but the ones at the bottom are literal filler who end up doing porn after graduating because they couldn't save any money. No talent in AKB48 instantly receives popularity equal to their top talents the moment they debut. In Hololive, when someone debuts, they pretty much instantly become Top 100 worldwide vtuber with guaranteed fat stack of money once SCs are enabled and merch starts rolling in. IDs may be an exception because they're poor, but generally speaking, if you're in Hololive - you've made it. If you're in AKB48 - you're in, but your journey of pleasuring oijisans is just beginning, and until you prove yourself, you're nobody not just in the idol world but in the group itself. Most never get to rise to the top and graduate after 2-4 years (ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_members_of_AKB48).). In contrast, Hololive only has 2 real graduations that weren't caused by some sort of shit storm. It's simply not the same.

>> No.71140849

An Idol is a multi-tasking entertainer - they sing, they dance, they can be models, they act in movies and they go to variety shows... that's all there is to it. This crap about being someone who inspires people is just anime bullshit... what does an indol inspire you to be more exact? Half of the hardcore fanbase are NEET's and Hikki's who barely leave their rooms, and just become herbivores who can't talk with a real woman, so they invest all their emotional and sexual relationship in a parasocial relationship with an idol, that needs a 2 hour long shower after every meet-and-greet with them. So how exactly are those guys inspired to work hard by them? To me it looks that we can't even talk about laziness, a lot of them simply give up on everything - give up on themselves.
There are many idols, and a lot of entertainers are idols, because is an encompassing term, that includes a lot of people - singers, VA's, models, AV actresses, actresses, and so on. So it doesn't mean something specific - it just means someone who does a variety of activities in the entertainment industry.

>> No.71141070

>>71140782
>244 members listed on wikipedia EN
Oh wow, I didn't realise it was that bad.

>> No.71141193

>>71140782
Getting the top in AKB48 has little to do with being a top talent, and more with how much you are able to sacrifice yourself - in other words, how much dick are you ready to suck, from your bosses and important staff, and in the industry. AKB48, is just a harem for old farts - it was created just, like many modeling agencies, to give access to perverted men, to young naive girls. There had been plenty of rats and former members talking for years, about what has been happening in AKB ever since the first generation, and is basically like in the manga - young girls, even underage, forced to sell themselves to old farts in the industry for opportunities, filming amateur porn for them and VIP's, and all sort of Weinstein level abuse.

>> No.71141275

>>71137693
God, the hint of the gusset is hot.

>> No.71141568

>>71136419
You'll never get through to the Mori and Bae antis. Once this board decides they don't like someone it's over. They're completely illogical and retarded and they'll never see it because "pink woman bad" Mori Calliope derangement syndrome. Actual mental illness.

>> No.71141642

>>71136419
one works hard and respects the fans
the other insults and girlbosses them
only mori is an offender though
Bae is fine stop insulting bae.

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