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>planning to watch the vod streams.
>saw everyone privating their streams.
>seeing zentreya apologizing.

i was expecting so much from this collab and it seems that i was disappointed as heck.

>> No.7096785

>>7096758
>i was expecting so much from this collab
Why?

>> No.7096802

>>7096758
You didn't really miss much >>7075108

>> No.7096824

>>7096758
>saw everyone privating their streams.
DMCA is in your fucking image

>> No.7096947

>>7096758
VShojo tranny fucked up. Nothing new.

>> No.7096983

>>7096824
It's only part of the problem, nobody is gonna bother to edit the vods to make them DMCA friendly because of how shit the collab is

>> No.7096993

>>7096758
I hope Nijisanji blacklists Vshojo

>> No.7097010

>>7096758
This thread already exists.
>>7096032
Again just watch Froot. Her video is still up.
If you just want prop hunt, watch Haruka Karibu, she was the server host and had no issuses, or better yet just skip 1:30 hours into the vod.

>> No.7097051

>>7097010
>Froot
>Haruka
Yeah, better not

>> No.7097168
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7097168

What kind of dipshit moron can't host a party game?

>> No.7097243

>>7097168
The one who's too afraid to come out as a tranny even tho all of his viewers are sjw twitchtards and will donate even more

>> No.7097277
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7097277

>Hey Pomu what's making you take a break next month?
>Hey Pomu what about your surgery?
>Hey Pomu did I mention your surgery?
Haruka HATE

>> No.7097329

>>7097010
But what about the other VODs. Isn't the point of multiple POVs so that you can watch from their perspective?

>> No.7097379

>>7097277
Pomu was legit made uncomfortable lmao

>> No.7097457

>>7096758
I laughed a couple times but the TTS ruined it for me

>> No.7097689

>>7097329
Ok so you have, Vienna, Scarra, Bao and Zentreya.
Most of vshojo girls didn't even stream it.
I doubt you'll ever see the nijisanji girls pov again since editing the vod will take way more effort then it's worth.
Why you care though, it's prop hunt man, what do want, another shot of bottle under a table for 5 mintues.

>> No.7097838

>>7096947
Meds not everyone who use TTS is one those

>> No.7097898
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7097898

>>7097838
Sure, and i'm not a schizo.

>> No.7097930

>>7097277
why are canadians like this?

>> No.7097966
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7097966

>>7097930
Not all canadians

>> No.7098028

>>7096758
Hey remember that thread yesterday when everyone was saying that holofags will be seething because they weren't part of this megacollab?
Yeah sure dodged a bullet there huh?

>> No.7098063

>>7098028
>everyone
Vshojotards are not everyone

>> No.7098097

probably cancelled because someone isnt lgbtsjw

>> No.7098100

>b-but muh creative freedom
lmao

>> No.7098214

>>7096758
Dmca for what?

>> No.7098224

Meanwhile the completely in-house Nijisanji Gastric Phone collab is going swimmingly.

>> No.7098233

>>7098028
yes and nijifaggots are coping hard

>> No.7098241

>>7098224
And now you understand why Hololive is so cagey about external collabs

>> No.7098269

>>7098214
Multiple copyright music, pictures, audio bytes, and game maps.

>> No.7098284

>>7097277
What an annoying whore hope she dies.

>> No.7098325

was shit

>> No.7098347

Next time some retard tries to use the "muh few outside collabs" against holos I'll point them to this collab.
Oh wait, I can't, because all the VODs are privated.

>> No.7098364

>>7097966
Is this NL? The guy who bans people who call him salty when he's being salty? The guy who gets super excited when his millennial humor bait tweets get RT'd more than usual? The guy who says "I got a bit for ya" then hits you with a 4/10 open-mic comedian level standup gag that his chat jerks him off for? The guy people watch for "the allegories" but all he does is stream and record isaac so he has literally nothing real-life to talk about except the exceptionally mundane, and he's not nearly as good at spinning that into entertainment as he'd like to believe? That Canadian?

Good point actually, better than Haruka, doesn't dramabait, 10/10 BOI streamer

>> No.7098472

>>7098364
24 hours ban, permanent

>> No.7098476

>>7098347
>Oh wait, I can't, because all the VODs are privated.
6 available right now
Point away

>> No.7098502

>>7098269
The only thing that could get you DMCA'd there is music.

>> No.7098516

>>7098241
I skipped the first Vshojo collab because I really disliked the inability for everyone to even install the game let alone have a conversation and not be a cacophony of screaming and TTS, woke up and saw that some privated this recent collab, and I hope this means their manager never allows them near those freaks again considering one apparently pressured Pomu into talking about her surgery without preparing her

>> No.7098527

>>7096758
it was a masterful plan to make eliras nijisanji collab look amazing in comparison (which it unironically is)

>> No.7098626

>>7098527
>nijis agreed because, regardless of how it turned out, their own in-house collab would've shined brighter
>it was a fucking shitshow, so now their collab is literally a godsend
Devilish.

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7098739

>>nijis agreed because, regardless of how it turned out, their own in-house collab would've shined brighter
>>it was a fucking shitshow, so now their collab is literally a godsend
>Devilish.

>> No.7099462

I mean out of all the games why the fuck did they pick this knowing its full of DMCA strikes and whatnot

whoever masterminded that gmod will be thecollab game needs some big ol slap

>> No.7099583

>>7099462
it's zentraya who planned the whole thing

>> No.7099618

>>7097966
dark souls invasions...
home...

>> No.7099680

>>7099583
its her? wtf lmao
she can pick another game that is worry free

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7099725

>its her? wtf lmao
>she can pick another game that is worry free

>> No.7099759

>>7098028
They don't listen, now they're backtracking with >why did you think holobronies never liked them, even outside 4chin

>> No.7099792

>>7099680
When they were having connection and tech issues, people were saying they should fall back to Gartic Phone. Instead, they wasted more time trying to get Gmod to work.

>> No.7099926

Well,as a Nijifag i still do not eat the whole no-outside collab thing that holo puts out as it clearly depends on the people.
But from now on if they use this trainwreck to prove their point i really can't defend from it.

>> No.7099945

>>7099792
Gartic Phone with that many people would be a shitshow too. Truth is there is no game for big collabs because everyone cant talk at the same time.

>> No.7100008

Hololive has had worse desu

>> No.7100015

>>7099926
I like how holo fags are also now trying to push, "should have just collabed with holo EN" while also trying to defend NO COLLABS. As soon as NijiEn Males show up though watch holo fags do a complete 180 again.

>> No.7100096

>>7099945
Gartic would have been a million times better. No connection issues, no voicechat issues, no DMCA issues, no last-minute asset download issues, everyone knows how to play the game, etc.

>> No.7100226
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7100226

>>7099926
Eh, that's just collabing with VShojo in general though. It's not reflective of "outside collabs" when everyone knows VShojo are the worst to collab with. Even the HoloEN/VShojo collabs were terrible.
Besides NijiEN are only doing these collabs with Twitch streamers because the only other Youtube streamers that aren't sub-300 viewers and speak English are banned from collabing with them. So in a way this collab is actually Hololive's fault....
Personally I'd really like to see collabs with Prism or something, even with Luto's autism they'd be less scuffed than this shitshow and even she has the social awareness not to bring up Pomu's surgery.

>> No.7100337

>>7100226
Any collab with that many people will inevitably fall flat in some way. You can never balance speaking time equally for instance so some people end up sad their oshi didn't get to talk a lot.

>> No.7100425

>>7100226
Kiara/Nyanners & Mori/Mouse was kino though. It's only vei that people hates because of her remarks on Hololive and not apologizing.

>> No.7100460

>>7100425
>It's only vei that people love because of her remarks on Hololive and not apologizing
Fixed

>> No.7100555

>>7100015
Holo and Niji are friendly companies with long history of backing each other, their daisenpais are friends and have helped each other in the past, it's natural to believe that their EN branches should be friendly with each other more than VShojo and should be the regular collab partners as they have similar enough management, even if Holo has a bit more rules

>> No.7100583

>>7100460
Tell that to Reddit, even they have their issues with her

>> No.7100607

>>7100226
Hololive and Nijisanji aren't banned from collabing.

>> No.7100636

>>7098284
Hey! Me too!

>> No.7100661

>>7098364
Yes, and it’s unironically still better despite all that.

>> No.7100663

>>7100555
That can't happened thought cause niji en and holo en don't give a shit about each other.

It's the relationship just cause our parents are friend does not mean we have to be friends.

>> No.7100701

>>7100008
Nothing will be worse than CocoMori collab.

>> No.7100706

>>7100337
I don't think people not getting enough time to talk was the issue with that collab. It was just a total disorganized shitshow. For the first like 2 hours they were playing TTT even though Pikamee/Pomu/Elira didn't know the rules of TTT and were just totally left out with nobody bothering to explain to them. They also blatantly played maps with DMCA music knowing Pomu/Elira/Finana/Pikamee could get their channels demonetized over it and would be forced to private the vod.
In the end the NijiEN girls sat through a multi-hour collab on one of Pomu's last streams before her break and couldn't even monetize it or benefit in any way because it had to be privated. Just like the last NijiEN/VShojo collab with Finana that had to be privatized too. I gotta imagine Nijisanji are getting kinda sick of wasting their time with these collabs that give them 0 benefit and aren't fun for the talents. At least the Mel/Pomu one was alright despite Mel's crippling mental illness turning it into a impromptu zatsudan.

>> No.7100711

>>7100583
Should I be agreeing with Reddit or something? Go back.

>> No.7100779

>>7100706
>aren't fun for the talents
They said they had fun though? Dont decide for them if they did or not.

>> No.7100819

>>7097277
I swear that is the retarded thing to say if she said it's personal reason. That means she dont want provide more detail yet haruka just said surgery this surgery that

>> No.7100831

>>7100711
No, just saying Veibae fucked up when even the yes men don’t like her

>> No.7100855

>>7100706
How do you not understand the rules. It's just mongus but you have to actually kill the people you think are suspect, and you kill them with the same mechanics as every FPS ever. I get the traitor tester or the traitor shop items or the detective shit that servers add for whatever reason but not knowing about them doesn't leave you totally out.

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7100861

>>7100779
During today's NijiWorld GarticPhone collab Mayuyu tried to shill Elira by telling people to check out the GMod collab and she just silently shook her head and barely acknowledged it.
If you had actually watched it you'd know how frustrated she was over it. Don't think it'll happen again.

>> No.7100885

>>7100663
Kiara, Pomu and Elira interact on Twitter
Ame follows Pomu
I think Mori has also interacted with them

>> No.7100907

>>7100226
Are you saying Selen collabing with any of the HoloEN girls will be better than Selen collabing with any of the VShojos?

>> No.7100913

>>7098284
Me three.

>> No.7100921

>>7100861
>Don't think it'll happen again.
>Incresingly nervous man says for the 24th time

>> No.7100943

>>7096802
>Elira, Nyanners, and Pikamee realized the collab is shit so they went quiet
Elira is actually very shy, her lips were also sealed during the entire run of the amogus world collab.
I don't really know about the other two.

>> No.7100976

>>7096802
Wow, that actually sounds fun.

>> No.7100982

>>7100907
Selen collabing with the VShojos would probably result in her pissing off their fanbase by making fun of them for never playing anything harder than party games. She also heavily downplays any sort of sex talk or flirting bullshit so they'd have nothing in common.

At least HoloEN has a toxic Apex gremlin she could have fun with.

>> No.7100987

>>7100779
they couldve said that just to save face and make the fans not worry much and start pointing fingers

>> No.7100995

>>7100831
>yesmen
>on what is basically r/hololive 2

>> No.7100998

>>7096758
>>7100976
Vienna has her VOD up still.

>> No.7101063

>>7100982
So she would get called out because I'm pretty sure multiple of them have played souls games especially Nyan.

>> No.7101071

>>7099926
>i still do not eat the whole no-outside collab thing that holo puts out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8__fxciRgDc

Literally have done this monthly for six months.

>> No.7101107

>>7100460
Even the Japs didn't like what she said. I remember seeing a clip in Japanese I was translating that moment. A lot of comments were saying it would be better if she just kept her mouth shut.

>> No.7101158

>>7101107
Will maybe they should've listened and Coco would still be around. Also Jap holofags are as stupid and brainless as the ones on reddit or here

>> No.7101159

>>7100995
Did I stutter?

>> No.7101173

>>7100460
Being a fucking liar is not a good look. Saying you spoke to someone on the inside about something when you don't even speak their language is the stupidest fucking thing a person can do and all she had to do was say sorry about that SPECIFICALLY and people would've forgiven her and ignored all the other fucking retarded comments she was making that was simply misinformed.

>> No.7101175

>>7100943
Pikamee shuts down in a large group of people she's never talked to. She's better as a one-on-one sort of thing.

>> No.7101201

>>7101173
Seethe more

>> No.7101227

>>7100226
What's with the Prism shilling lately?

>> No.7101234

>>7101158
Those aren't jap holofags. A lot of Japanese that are watching vei...she's their 1st vtuber...

>> No.7101250

>>7101201
>I have no argument so I'm just going to tell him to seethe more! That'll do it!

lol

>>7101227
Shiki is cute.

>> No.7101255

>>7101173
>people would've forgiven he
No they wouldn't, if she said sorry about one thing people would see they're getting to her and push harder.

>> No.7101273

>>7101158
Coco leaving had nothing to do with Vei's comments. Vei was just being her usual bitch self with no understanding of the nature of Hololive's contracts or inner workings.
Don't get me wrong though Cover is still incompetent and poorly managed but Vei is a dumb bitch.

>>7101227
They've been inclining since their 3rd gen debuted. At this point they're firmly the 3rd largest EN vtuber group on Youtube.
Personally I've been shilling them for months though because Meno and Luto are cute.

>> No.7101284

>>7101234
>I-I swear holobr*nies would never leave downvotes and mean comments on videos!

>> No.7101287

>>7100982
I believe in the q&a stream last night, Selena said she turned down the offer to be in that Collab. Smart dragon.

>> No.7101291

>>7100779
Well Finana had fun.

>> No.7101295

>>7101255
Those would actually be legitimate antis then. But the MAIN FUCKING ISSUE people had with her, and I'm not even talking about on this hellhole of a site, was that she said a blatant lie.

>> No.7101325

>>7101287
Her reasoning was that it's not fun to play games with people who don't know how to play, especially games she loves like TTT.
So that rules out any potential VShojo collabs...

>> No.7101327

>>7101284
Who are you quoting? I don't care about how long live dude. Actually I unsubscribe from all of hololen.

>> No.7101332

>>7100701
Working overtime doing damage control huh?

>> No.7101336

>>7101234
I'm sure the number of nips who watch Vei as their first vtuber might be greater than zero but it's hardly going to be a significant proportion of the already tiny Japanese contingent of her fanbase.

>> No.7101347

>>7101325
Good.

>> No.7101361

>>7101291
>Had fun
Lol why are you delusional

>> No.7101372

>>7101325
Ame collab when?

>> No.7101373

>>7101325
They play apex so it'll happen.

>> No.7101374

>>7100855
Nobody explained it to them and they played it like TDM for a good hour and a half

>> No.7101406

>>7101361
>didnt have fun
Lol why are you delusional

>> No.7101436

>>7101372
Literally who?

>> No.7101458

>>7101327
Don't mind them, there's a bunch of nijifags on this board who have a perpetual victim complex and think that everything bad someone says about a non-hololive vtuber must be a conspiracy

>> No.7101462

>>7101361
Well you obviously didn't watch her pov from that collab

>> No.7101464

>>7101373
She was asked about playing Apex with other people besides Finana in the same stream and said she doesn't really like to play with bads because it forces her to make a new account every 3 games to avoid getting put into diamond matches. Steam is even restricting her from making new accounts these days because she's done it so much.
Unless anyone in VShojo is at least platinum rank it seems unlikely.

>>7101372
Honestly it might happen if Ame notices her. Seems like Ame was kind of desperate for someone to play Apex with who speaks English. Unfortunately Ame would probably rage and get mad when Selen teases her for making excuses every time she dies.

>> No.7101471

>>7097243
Wait, Scarra is a closet tranny?

>> No.7101537

>>7096758
Kek get fucked, whores
t. Holochad

>> No.7101538

>>7101464
>Unfortunately Ame would probably rage and get mad when Selen teases her for making excuses every time she dies.

Honestly I WANT this happen. Someone NEEDS to do this to her so she can loosen the fuck up. No one in HoloEN is willing to do this shit except Ina and it only really comes out with Kiara for some reason.

>> No.7101540

>>7101464
Nah she clams up and goes silent the moment she collabs with anyone she isn't familiar with. It's actually a big issue with her collabs because people want to see her go full gremlin mode and have someone else react live but she just shuts down and becomes a wallflower.

>> No.7101605

>>7101540
That's only true because all her Apex collabs have been with Ollie who is a lapdog and the JP girls where there's a language barrier. If she actually collabed with Selen they'd probably egg eachother on to be as gremlin as possible. It could really be such a good stream if Ame doesn't tilt.

>>7101538
True, Ame's such a classic stubborn gamer that she's incapable of taking criticism or acknowledging when she makes mistakes.

>> No.7101629

>>7101464
Yeah, the difficulties with playing at a competent level in any game with matchmaking is that lower skill friends will not find the experience enjoyable. Unless they're just there to be carried.

>> No.7101635

Too bad nijien will never collab with holotrash lmao

>> No.7101646

>>7101273
>3rd largest EN group
Tsunderia...

>> No.7101649

>>7101372
>selen dabs on her in terms of skill
>roasts her for being the "holoen fps queen"
>ame too autistic to say anything back and ragequits
kino

>> No.7101678

>>7101464
>>7101629
Should only take 2 accounts, one for friends/unranked and one for ranked. Winning 3 games definitely wont make you diamond rank either.

>> No.7101718

>>7101464
Dont know for sure but I think Vei was actually pretty good, she might be able to at least not be Selens backpack with enough practice

>> No.7101729

>>7101678
Watch Selen's last(actually her only currently) Apex stream, she was being put into diamond games by the middle of it despite being on a new account.

>> No.7101749

>>7101678
She played literally one game with finana and it sbmm'd her into diamond immediately

>> No.7101766

Fucking laughable that VShit couldnt handle even an easy popular game like this. Their business standards fucking suck.
Nijisanji EN doesnt need to be so aggressively close to Amerimutt agencies, since half of them can speak decent Japanese to some extent.

>> No.7101792

>>7098028
>Falseflag and bait
>next day points out the falseflag and bait to bait even harder
>repeat

>> No.7101888

>>7096758
>another episode of "collabing with vshojo was a mistake"
I really hate these reruns

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>>7101792
You falseflag and bait, falseflag and bait. I fail to see the logic here.
Is sanity
the price to pay
for (Yous)?

>> No.7101897

>has the freedom to do the fuck they want
>use that freedom to collab with VShoujo

In a way, I'm happy this collab happened because it will dissuade them for collabing with VShoujo again but come on. 2434EN has the potential to become the best and they use that potential on this bullshit.

>> No.7101916

>>7101888
seethe harder Vsimp

>> No.7101938

>>7097838
This is true. Some of them don't even think they're women, they're just straight up men with a girl avatar.

>> No.7101950

>>7101729
>>7101749
They're unranked games there's no way to tell it's "diamond". Do you play apex?

>> No.7101987

>>7101897
>he doesnt know
Anon, I...

>> No.7102065

>>7101950
Are you really that retarded that you think someone in the top 0.1% of a game's ladder can't tell what skill level random pubbies are at?
I've played Dota 2 for years and I can immediately tell someone's rank from their decision-making and positioning and that's not even an FPS game where raw mechanical skill is a huge tell of someone's rank.

>> No.7102085

>>7101916
I'm not Vsimp. Also not the same anon, I'll say though, the Pomu Melody collab though was really nice. Smaller 1 on 1 sessions run a lot more smoothly and I wouldn't mind more of those.

>> No.7102352

Is this the first time any of you happen to see a group collab having issues?
I'm failing to understand what's the point of this thread, laughing about vtubers and tribalism?
I thought global was full of braindead idiots but i see nijisanji and vshojo fans are plagued by the same cancer, good luck dealing with them, anons.
Hoping the next collab goes better.

>> No.7102461

>>7102352
It's the first time I saw those issues last 2 hours, yeah. This was on another level from the usual collab scuff.

>> No.7102535

>>7102352
Having issues isn't the problem. Having issues on this scale, where the entire collab is basically unsalvagable?
Well, the last time this happened it turned into a meme that's still getting repeated to this day, and that one wasn't anywhere close to as hyped as this one was.

>> No.7102555

>>7102352
/vsj+/ was ok during the stream, mainly just sharing the pain and (mostly) ignoring bait, which is kinda rare to see

>> No.7102582

>>7101950
You can tell the general sbmm based on the trails of people in the game retard. Not to mention good players can recognise other skilled players by playing against them. Do YOU play Apex?

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>>7102352
This is the first time the entire collab had to be privated because a troon almost got everyone permabanned from youtube.

>> No.7102663

>>7102535
>last time this happened
can you tell me the details on that?

>> No.7102676

>>7102352
This is one of those things memes are born out of man. For a good long while whenever someone complaints about how bad a collab is going the standard answer is going to be "Hey, at least it's not the all stars collab"

>> No.7102679

>>7102352
There will be a next collab?! Are you insane

>> No.7102707

>>7102663
66 minutes
And that wasn't even close to how bad this collab went. Just unbridled social autism.

>> No.7102789

>>7101718
Selen/Anny/Vei trio would at least not be horribly unfun, although Selen would still be by far the best of the three

>> No.7102900

>>7102352
The host didn't prep anyone, didn't explain the game, forgot to invite people, and kept playing copyrighted shit even after being told 1/3 of the participants couldn't stream it.
I feel sorry for the Nijis and Pikamee for getting dragged into this mess.

>> No.7102966

the collab was shit.
i hate that deer bitch for making pomu feel uncomfortable about her surgery.
shit like this is what makes someone turn into an anti. fuck that deer bitch.

>> No.7102978

>>7102900
>didn't explain the game
I mean they knew what they were playing beforehand so they could easily look it up instead of waiting for the stream and wasting more time.

>> No.7103035

>>7102978
No they didn't. They expected to play prop hunt, instead the first two hours were TTT which the Nijis and pikamee didn't know the rules off and kept trying to play it like Team Deathmatch.

>> No.7103042

>>7098284
Hope she keeps having to hemorrhage her own fucking money to keep up with streaming and vtuber models with a dead dream of making it to HoloEN/Vshojo/NijiEN

>> No.7103114

>>7103042
Meds

>> No.7103232

>>7103035
Crazy that Finana didn't know they were playing TTT but put that they were playing TTT in her schedule.

>> No.7103387

>>7097966
NL really opened my eyes to how a substantial percentage of Canadian nicety seems to actually be veiled sarcasm for some Canadians.

>> No.7103456

>>7096758
>if I do anymore in the future
Please just graduate from VTubing instead.
t. avid vshojo viewer sick of the tranny's shit

>> No.7103463

>>7100943
I think this is also the case with Nyanners, if her Collab with Kiara is anything to go by.

>> No.7103546

>>7103232
Wouldn't be surprised if Zen, being the horrible organizer he is, didn't tell everyone what modes they were going to be playing, and we all know how bad Finana is at communicating details to others.
Just take a look at the first gmod collab as an example. Everyone knew what game they would be playing, yet they spent an hour at the start of the collab waiting for everyone to download all the files.

>> No.7103717

>>7096758
vshitshow were retarded, that's what. they apparently didn't decide what to do untill they were doing it, and decided to use shit for gmod that the nijis weren't cleared to use, which meant that half the collab had to sit with their thumbs up their ass because the vshitshow idiots decided to go along and do the thing anyway despite having to shut out half the people they were working with.
and then one of the other fucks decided to be an asshole about something despite finding it was basically an off-limits topic.
and then an act of god took hold and scuttled the whole disaster.
>and in all this shit, zentraya's tts shit just making everything worse for the delay it adds, making it a serious issue for trying to manage a collab
>but hot take from retarded schizo: anyone who acknowledges that is just an entitled anti, because being critical at all in any way for any reason ever is the same as being like the zhangs
>>7098502
dmca isn't limited to music, dumbfuck.
>>7101273
I believe the retard's argument is
>coco left because every incorrect thing vei spouted was actually true because all rrats are true especially if they're hot takes
and if you have to ask if he's really that retarded... look where we are.
>>7101464
>>7101538
>>7101605
at least half of the excuse-making is probably playing things up for the camera. when she throws remarks about "it was the ping!" when playing offline games, you know she's doing it because people expect it.

>> No.7103767

>>7101766
Seethe more

>> No.7103770

>>7101538
If that's happen there's 100% chance dramas would go viral and fans has to take sides because Ame can't keep her steam low during collab with selen

>> No.7103816

>>7101291
Finana is basically Vshoujo lite anyway
Can't really use her as a metric for Pomu and Elira who are much closer to HoloEN in terms of personality

>> No.7103850

>>7102555
Yeah they should be quiet since it was their shitter that organized it and dragged Pika and Niji into it.

>> No.7103936

>>7103816
>lite
There's nobody in VShojo more VShojo than Finana is VShojo.

>> No.7103939
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7103939

>>7103717

>> No.7104182

>>7103936
this.
She genuinely ruins NijiEN for me, wish she would graduate and become the twitch whore she so desperately wants to be

>> No.7104229
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>This is what happens if you collab with vshojo

>> No.7104286

>>7100995
your reading comprehension reps, retard-chama

>> No.7104312

>>7104229
>This is what happens if you collab with nijien

>> No.7104338
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7104338

>>7096758
>Yet another shitshow as for why Hololive shouldn't collab with Vshitshow
Thanks for being the guinea pig, Nijibros. we owe you one.

>> No.7104376

Even Vei admitted that the collab was absolute shit. I wonder how many vshojos will backstab the tranny, kek

>> No.7104383

veibae and the tts dragon are so unfunny it's laughable

>> No.7104390

Zentraya's TTS is unbearable and the only defense I ever see for it is "well you get used to it" which reeks of cope or "it's more of a solo gimmick"
well, maybe the person that can't even speak should not be hosting and coordinating a collab between a bunch of people from different groups
I'd legitimately respect him/her/whatever if there was an actual attempt to speak, even if it sounded like my dad doing falsetto, but I guess TTS lets the audience push the idea that they're watching a dude out of their heads easier or something

>> No.7104398

>>7104312
Pikamee has collabed with the NijiEN girls multiple times before, and they were all fine.
Vshitters are the problem.

>> No.7104417

>>7104338
you have the menhera holoEn chicken to thank for that

>> No.7104428

>>7104398
Pikamee collabed with Mouse too but keep moving the goalposts

>> No.7104485

>>7102707
hey at least moona redeemed herself during their last collabo

>> No.7104502

>>7104229
vshit is too america-centric as their audience are from anglo countries and latin america. it was always obvious that they dont fit the japanese vtuber style holo en and niji en adopt.

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>>7104417
Nah, fucking Chicken raped that pink scat, almost no one even remembers that collab anymore.

>> No.7104522

>>7101894
Shitposters
They are but stubborn and foolish

>> No.7104523

>>7104312
Its not NijiEN problem but Vshojo makes her uncomfortable on stream and also she needs to wake up early just for collab

>> No.7104550

>>7104523
More of a Veibae problem, she’s the only one who physically can’t stop talking about sex, dicks and vaginas.

>> No.7104579

>>7104521
>not even trips
Is that (you) in screencap?

>> No.7104583

>>7097838
>Meds not everyone who use TTS is one those
No but there's enough other tells to make it a decently informed guess.

>> No.7104592

>>7104428
NTA, but almost all the board believes Ironmouse is fine, same with Melody

>> No.7104604

>>7101646
Those 2 are 4th and 5th in terms of popularity, its currently holoEN>vshojo>nijiEN>tsunderia>prism.
if you remove EN branchs then those 2 would be 2nd and 3rd.

>> No.7104617

>>7104550
Don't worry, she can't hurt you with her words
Your virginity is forever safe

>> No.7104629

>>7104579
>Trips
What?
>My screencap
Nah

>> No.7104639

>>7104521
What made you think that post was even remotely worthy of a screencap?

>> No.7104641

>>7103387
Most Canadians are just Americans who smugly deny being Americans

>> No.7104655

>>7104604
Half of vshojo subs and viewers are bots tho

>> No.7104660

>>7104617
spot the fragile vshitshowfag

>> No.7104671

>>7103816
>>7103936
>>7104182
Finana antis need to kill themselves

>> No.7104691

>>7096758
should have watched it live you fucking tourist

>> No.7104700

>>7104639
Well, i found it funny, forgot to share it somewhere but it's been a long time so fuck it

>> No.7104706

>>7101646
>Tsunderia
Literally who?

>> No.7104726

>>7104671
Oh no someone talked shit about my poor little brapfish, how will I ever withstand this torture?

>> No.7104736

>>7104700
Well it made me kek so good job anon

>> No.7104800

>>7104583
>there's enough other tells
Such as? I'm genuinely curious.

>> No.7104812

>>7104671
Has she tried not being so repulsive?

>> No.7104840

>>7104655
And Youtube liveview numbers are totally inaccurate, as they don't count people using adblock or are watching via a media player.
I still remember Finana putting a poll in chat that, in just 1 minute, had twice the amount of votes than Youtube's liveview count showed.

>> No.7104882

>>7104617
YWNBAW

>> No.7104893

>>7104655
>>7104840
A double dose of copium
Try not to OD

>> No.7104900

>>7104882
YWNBJ

>> No.7104991

>>7104893
Youtube's view count being inaccurate is very well documented. It's common for indies that sat around the 50 viewer count on youtube to have double or more the viewer count on twitch.

>> No.7105002

>>7104726
>>7104812
Ah and Hololive fans too, very typical.

>> No.7105011

I dropped out because it was taking an hour to do introductions, I'll just have to rely on clips

>> No.7105031

>>7105002
I've been watching a lot of NijiEN. That's how I've come to be repulsed by the fish.

>> No.7105061

>>7105002
Oh no someone said something bad about my brapfish, it must be a hololive fan. Only Hololive fans who don't watch nijisanji can have any bad opinion on the sexfish

>> No.7105103

>>7104991
Yes, because Youtube makes half an attempt at removing bot viewers whilst Twitch doesn't give a shit, see Miyune 1k liveviews. For chuubas who don't artificially inflate their shit it doesn't matter which platform they're on.

>> No.7105108

>>7104671
Shes literary a whore, like if you made up a story about a girl being a whore and fucking everyone you would end up describing Finana.

>> No.7105190

>>7105031
Too bad for you she's staying in Nijisanji
>>7105061
>brapfish
Blatantly obvious you don't know a thing about her besides pre debut tweets.

>> No.7105239

>>7105103
Why would bot viewers watch random indies?

>> No.7105252

>>7105103
In the Youtube case presented though, the pole in chat had double the votes than Youtube showed liveviewers. Viewbots don't vote in chat poles. So it's not just bot views that Youtube removes, but actual legit viewers who are using something like adblock.

>> No.7105279

>>7102555
they were quiet because they raided and were doing damage control in the nijien thread

>> No.7105360

>>7105190
Never even wished for her to graduate. Nijisanji is secondary to me. But you should grow a thicker skin about your oshi. Learn from KFP.

>> No.7105377

>>7101649
>implying Selen would be so socially incompetent as to actively make fun of a collab partner
cringe

>> No.7105415

>>7103546
Elira had prop hunt in her thumbnail before the collab, they didn't bother explaining shit prior and during the collab, they just said gmod
what a shitshow

>> No.7105428

>>7105108
>An entire literary work on why Finana is a whore
You're a bit obsessed

>> No.7105474

>>7104592
Ironmouse dipped out before the collab ended and redirected her viewers to Zen's stream on Twitch. It was too much cringe even for her.

>> No.7105520

>>7105190
yeah she'll stay in nijisanji and bring down the overall quality, what a fucking win for everyone

>> No.7105535

>>7097277
Fuck this cunt. Her voice was super annoying and she's probably over 300 pounds.

>> No.7105565

>>7103850
You say that like they didn't come willingly

>> No.7105640

>>7105108
Literally this. I think the collab yesterday is proof. Finana was in her element yesterday. The other 2, not so much. Finana isn't even vshojo lite, she fits right in. Whether or not that's a good thing is up to you, her fanbase should at least be honest about that.

>> No.7105658

>>7105428
Ok anon, i dont care if your oshi is a slut m8. Im just saying its a fact.

>> No.7105665

>>7105360
>Never wished for her to graduate
>Learn from KFP
Lies and no, she needs defense.

>> No.7105670

>>7104800
Zen is a guy that lives with his girlfriend. He even revealed himself and girlfried a couple years back but they claimed the gf was Zen. Likely rrat is that the swap from time to time but the higher level gameplay as almost certainly the guy, and he's usually the one speaking in TTS. GF just takes over when he wants to take a break or whatever. Neither are trannies. That's the real rrat.

>> No.7105673

>>7105640
As far i saw she sat on a far side of the map and ate Doritos the whole time.

>> No.7105748

>>7105428
Shes nasty as fuck dude. Anon lets put it this way, if Finana was a pornstar, her porn would be the kind of porn you post for trolling purposes not for actual sexual gratification.

>> No.7105785

>>7105673
The first hour of them "introducing" themselves. She blended right in. Elira and Pomu seemed uncomfortable, while finana was enjoying the bantz.

>> No.7105795

>>7105670
It's not even a rrat, it's the truth. There is a video on YouTube with some weaponized autism, proving that Zen is a guy who just asked his gf to do a "voice reveal" for him.

>> No.7105901

>>7105665
/vt/ wanted so badly to like her. She was top saviourfag bait because of her debut fuck-up. Now that opinions are beginning to sour, it's just downhill from here for the fish. You'll run yourself mental trying to defend her.

>> No.7105944

>>7105748
>Nasty as fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHQhPlwKCB8
You were saying?

>> No.7105946

>>7096758
>shoujo

>> No.7105960

>>7105901
The souring started with the leaked fetish chart which i shall not post because i dont want a vacation. Ill just say this: I wouldn't the fuck her because i dont want STDs.

>> No.7105997

This is proof enough that Vshojo should be banned from /vt/ only kids and retards watch that shit, Nijisanji EN has potential but they should stick to the other Nijisanji talents, asian chuubas and not retarded western vtubers (I don't even know if there is such a thing tho) japanese vtuber culture is a thing and vshojo isn't trying to blend in at all. Holoniggers are fragile little retards but at least they gatekeep when it cames to this kind of people.
Anyway, I'm sure that 90% of the NijiEN fanbase has never watched a real Nijisanji stream and are just salty Holobronies that wanted these collabs and jumped ship or directly Vshojo fans
EN was a mistake and it's like a fucking Hololive psyop, they open the doors to these faggots, then gatekeep them and they end wandering to Nijisanji, what a fucking masterplan to turn NijiEN into literally shit

>> No.7106014

>>7105901
The souring started the moment she tweeted. This collab I've just noticed has made antis come out of the woodwork.

>> No.7106031

>>7100995
Are you a retard or something? No one likes her. This is not about "agreeing with reddit", but the fact that she is an obnoxious liar cunt over nothing. People already knows the shitty stuff COVER does, her being an hypocrite is a different thing.

>> No.7106129

>>7105901
>/vt/ wanted so badly to like her
What? The local shitposters were trying so hard to make her a hate symbol because she said coom and made a fart joke twitter prior to the debut. It ultimately failed because that wasn't enough material for them to work with.

>> No.7106153

>>7106129
Don't forget they doxxed her also

>> No.7106158

>>7105997
Hey now, those 90% fans have renounced their loyalty by declaring they have unsubbed from holos in reddid. They are nijifags now, embrace them.

>> No.7106217

Did fatman do at least well? I am not sure why was he there in first place instead of the other asian girl.

>> No.7106228

>>7105960
The souring started with the brap tweet. The fetish chart probably improved her standing if anything since it was just basic female masochism shit with poor scores for shit people hate like cuck faggotry, pegging and literal shit.

>> No.7106359

>>7105944
boys love is pure though

>> No.7106403

>>7106158
Luckily NijiEN fans don't filter to the other Nijisanji talents, so everything is ok, at least my oshi's chat is not filled with retarded EOP and SOP comments parroting the 5 same catchphrases

>> No.7106438

>>7106228
>the fetish chart was basic
Anon you fuck that fish your dick will start burning that same night

>> No.7106512

>>7102618
>a troon almost got everyone permabanned from youtube.
Explain further

>> No.7106533
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Pomu deserves better. Its so sad that shes stuck in fucking Niji

>> No.7106550

>>7106512
Played DMCA shit. Youtube is stricter on it than Twitch.

>> No.7106574

>>7105997
Boy that sure is a whole lot of seething

>> No.7106622

>>7106403
The black ships are inevitable.

>> No.7106625

>>7106217
Didn't see or hear much from him after the intros, so he was a non-issue.

>> No.7106678

>>7106625
>the literal normalfag bussiness dude managed to act like a proper human being in a collab in contrast towards the canadian vtuber and one of the biggest vtubers in twitch that fakes to be a girl when he is not
I wonder if vtubers are sometimes mentally ill.

>> No.7106725

>>7106622
EOPs are too retarded to even watch Nijisanji streams

>> No.7106825

All of the doomposting about VShojo was about their content and awful sense of humor but what ruined the collab was sheer incompetence on the part of the organizer. That's literally it. Also Haruka was a dick but she's not VShojo

>> No.7106865

>>7106725
That's where you're wrong.

>> No.7106924

>>7102618
>Reality: "Hey maybe we should actually just private the VOD in case youtube gives us trouble" "Sure"

>You: "EVERYONE ALMOST GOT PERMABANNED FROM YOUTUBE"

>> No.7106935

>>7096983
They played fucking garrys mod game modes which is literally just stolen music and assets the game.
If they didn't want to get DMCA'd they should play an actual fucking game not meme early 2000's mod shit.
>>7097277
This is one way to make nijisanji never collab with you again at least.

>> No.7106957

>>7105997
You will never be japanese

>> No.7106988 [DELETED] 

>>7106825
Many western streamers are lazy braindead cunts who have shit content and rely mostly on sexually charged comments as a substitute for humor. Obviously their organization skills would be complete ass. This is mostly the corpos' fault for not stepping in to professionally manage the shitshow instead of relying on a ragtag group of fuckwits. Where the fuck were Noor and Gyaru while this shit was being planned?

>> No.7107011

>>7106924
Vshitards sure are busy today huh?

>> No.7107030

>>7106924
Cope, nigger

>> No.7107043

>>7097277
She should be pressured to make a public apology to Pomu. That was fucked up

>> No.7107084

>>7106550
Most dmca shit now will only get you a claim when it comes to music. It's pretty unlikely for you to get a strike unless you plainly reupload music with no changes.

>> No.7107093

>>7107011
>>7107030
not an argument

>> No.7107112

>>7106988
Yeah see that's the thing, they don't have a corporate management team to rely on, vshojo is basically a friend group that got together to pool resources and help promote each other. As it turns out freedom from corporate also means freedom to crash and burn from your own laziness.

>> No.7107155

>>7107093
Work harder mate in sure zen is going to fuck you any day now.

>> No.7107171

>>7105002
> Hololive fans
who else even watches NijiEN?

>> No.7107244

>>7107112
Their org exist SOLELY for times like this. They dont do anything except help plan collabs, find sponsorship deals and give legal advice when needed.

>> No.7107245

>>7107171
Nijiniggers hoping that they'll own hololive

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>>7102352
>Prop hunt collab hosted by TTS dragon goes kind of meh, takes almost half an hour to start because nobody has the shit installed and someone had to actually buy the game to play it
>Ok it'll go better next time
>Next time invite even MORE people, they even had people REJECT taking part and still have almost 15 people, a stupidly high number that will just be chaos
>Decide to play a game absolutely nobody knows how to play and it's just a trainwreck
>Trigger dozens of DMCA issues in the process
>Retard moose shouts about personal information and harasses someone to spill private IRL shit
>It.. it'll be better next time right?

I hope they tell Zentranny to fucking hang herself if she tries to set up another huge collab playing fucking gmod trash nobody knows how to play because they aren't all boomers like that fucking tranny.

>> No.7107328

>>7106217
>instead of the other asian girl.
Lilypichu? The one thing I will say positively of her is that she truly doesn't seem to care a bout clout when it comes to collabs. I'm not sure if she even uses the live2D anymore.

>> No.7107397

>>7107171
People who didn't get attached to HoloEN. I started following my indie oshi before HoloEN was a thing, tried HoloEN for a couple of months after their debut but never got attached, continued to follow my indie oshi for the past year, and continue to support her now that she's in NijiEN.

>> No.7107446

>>7105944
I wonder why Holobronies always post Hoshikawa and Gundou but never Utako when calling Nijigirls whores. She's way more degenerate than them.

>> No.7107491

>>7103816
>Finana is Vshoujo light
>elira and pomu talk about cock and pussy an entire stream but are closer to holoEN
Meds?!

>> No.7107497

>>7105670
>it's actually two people
This was actually one of my private rrats. It's how I explained to myself how the TTS *might* be working, before I saw some anon link an article or whatever that claimed Zen was using some kind of an STT-to-TTS combo.
Anyway, thanks for explaining instead of simply telling me to google it.

>> No.7107521

>>7106988
Why would management step in for a shit collab? Yes, 4 hours of Lazu's and Pika's life got wasted and Pomu had to feel like shit because of the retard moose, but ultimately it has no lasting ramifications and is just a bad stream. No one is unsubbing from Elira over this, no one is vowing to never watch Finana again over a bad collab, this is not some black mark on NijiEN's permanent record. This isn't to defend the tranny dragon and the retard moose, because they absolutely should kill themselves and have zero further interaction with NijiEN, but there's still no reason for management to care about this beyond saying
>yeah you probably shouldn't do this sort of thing again

>> No.7107548

>>7107011
>>7107030
>>7107155
>Make up a lie
>Act retarded in response to correction
>>7107446
Because as we've established on this board, most hololive fans don't watch or know any vtubers outside of hololive besides a select few.

>> No.7107599

>>7106533
idk about her japanese skills, but dragon and penguin and rose would already be able to collab with niji jp livers and jp indies. they will begin it in the very near future. their japanese skills are close to holo id ones like iofi, reine, who have already had collabs with subaru, watame, marine, and others.in japanese. the collabs arent as smooth as of jp vtubers with kiara but not even awkward.

>> No.7107616

>>7105520
Have sex SEAnig

>> No.7107620

>>7107011
>>7107548
Vshitards on full damage control mode

>> No.7107642

>>7107548
>we
And now you're falseflagging. Go back to your containment thread, vshojofag

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>Hololive rejects? Hololive rejects
And God bless Enma for it. Utterly revolting.

>> No.7107664

>>7107446
Because Hoshikawa is connected to Matsuri. Gundou in general has a ton of antis and is connected with Hoshikawa.

>> No.7107669

>>7107616
Seethe vshitter

>> No.7107727

>>7107642
What the fuck does vshojo have to do with holofags not knowing anyone in nijisanji?

>> No.7107728

>>7107599
>liver
This will never not sound stupid when written in English

>> No.7107730

>>7106678
>I wonder if vtubers are sometimes mentally ill.
You really should know the answer by now.

>> No.7107812

>>7102707
that was just an awkward collab, many have happened before. In fact I dont think it was that much worse than Moona's UNO collab from over a year ago. God she has improved

>> No.7107980

>>7107728
niji jp calls vtubers livers. it just means vtubers who broadcast on live stream. its like "antis" which was reimported from the japanese vtuber scene. you can get used to it.

>> No.7108033

>>7107980
Yeah and it still sounds retarded in English, going "this is what the nips do" doesn't change that

>> No.7108107

>>7107620
come back when you've learned words that can express concepts other than "U MAD BRO?"

>> No.7108168

>>7108107
Stop acting like a paid vshill then

>> No.7108211

>>7108033
speak for yourself. its not liv-er. its lai-ver. antis sounded awkward to me but i ended up getting used to it

>> No.7108279

>>7108033
Then stop using the word antis because it should be pronounced ant-iss instead of ant-eyes. And stop using JP terms like oshi or zatsudan and call it bias and Just Chatting

>> No.7108361

>>7108279
... What the fuck are you saying? Do you think antimatter is pronounced antai matter?
More to the point none of those words are dead ringers for an existing English word, and liver is. Take it up with Oxford if you have an issue with it

>> No.7108392

>>7108279
Do you also use the term delivery instead of stream? Livers sounds dumb and it's even worse written, it's a failure of a loan word.

>> No.7108407

>>7096758
Forget it, the Nijisanji World Gartic Phone collab was 100x better: https://youtu.be/JSHstTv6nGU

>> No.7108434

>>7107497
The STT to TTS is something they picked up from an old VRChat buddy

>> No.7108526

>>7105944
The SEAnigs in the comments were insufferable. Yes, Utako is haram and likes boys getting buttfucked. She's not your family member and she's not a mudslime so calm down.

>> No.7108616

>>7106438
She was into basic masochist stuff like petplay and choking. All the most extreme stuff she didn't like. I think you need to talk to actual women or leave your SEA hut.

>> No.7108670

>>7108616
It's fucking euro hours, at least try and keep your boogeyman plausible you seething nijitard

>> No.7108696

>>7108361
"antai" is the American pronunciation of anti.

>> No.7108724

>>7108279
>should be pronounced ant-iss instead of ant-eyes.
I've never heard it pronounced ant-eyes. It's an-tees. In American English, I pronounce it anti with a hard E.

>> No.7108730

>>7108696
Well its euro hours so we pronounce it antiss

>> No.7108757

>>7108696
no it isn't

>> No.7108893

>>7108696
Since fucking when?

>> No.7109013

>>7098364
BASED

>> No.7109025

>>7108757
>>7108893
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ggYmc3SRNo

Here's your leaders speaking peasants, you stress the "ti" heavily (which comes out like tai), I don't know why this is controversial for you.

>> No.7109260

>>7109025
00:39 second he says it the right way. The way we're saying.

>> No.7109398

>>7108279
Holy ESL

>> No.7109403

>>7109025
This is by far the most retarded change in English that the Americans have ever done.

>> No.7109500

>>7109025
>Democrats
Of course they say it wrong they are literally retarded.

>> No.7109514

>>7109025
>The American Pronunciation Guide is devoted to descriptive linguistics--i.e., the study of the internal phonological, grammatical, and semantic structures of languages without reference to the history of the language or comparison with other languages.
So they literally make shit up as they go?

>> No.7109771

>>7109514
American English is literally English pronounced and spelt wrong. This was actually done on purpose btw, because they wanted to distance themselves from Britain, but couldn't be arsed to make a new language. It's why the grammatical rules for American English is a giant shitshow.

>> No.7110790

>>7098364
>Says anything he thinks is funny
>Stares at chat while jerking off to reactions
>Repeat entire stream.

Worse than fucking Kiara

>> No.7110851

>>7096758
did someone archive it? I want to watch the whole shitshow

>> No.7110856

>>7107043
she should be pressured to publicly suck my dick

>> No.7111142

>>7099926
>>7100015
>no-outside collab thing that holo puts out
that's not really a thing. Even just within EN there were already 2 vshojo collabs, and Ina has collabed with Pikamee and with Nabi and would have collabed with Pochi if not for Iofi getting sick. Also keep in mind that Hololive (and Nijisanji obviously even more so) is a huge company, there's no realy reason to often collab with outside chuubas when probably no Hololive vtuber has even collabed with every single hololive member yet.

>> No.7111863

>>7108107
U MAD BRO?

>> No.7114242
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7114242

thread dying so have some numbers

>> No.7114295

who was the one playing random annoying clips?

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>>7099945
>no game for big collabs because everyone cant talk at the same time.
I disagree.

>> No.7115055

>>7099945
>Gartic Phone with that many people would be a shitshow too
Even watching a 6 people collab in that game was a mess, everyone screaming over each other and could barely understand a thing. Honestly I think it would have been a better idea if they only connected for the result watching, and disconnect from discord for the writing/drawing part.

>> No.7115855

>>7096947
retard. Zen is a dude who tried to trick people into thinking his gf was the vtuber.

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