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So it looks like Tazumi and Anycolor decides to make another stock change decision and take another huge gamble on it. And so far it is working for them. But that's not the main thing I wanna talk about here

It's pretty clear to see how obsessive the stock is to Anycolor. They will try every options to make their stock price look good. They cut down half of their base, they burned 18 million dollars, and now this. Like, why would they spend a lot of mind power and money on that shit instead of investing for the members ?

Cover stocks are way lower than Anycolor's. Sometimes the gap between them reach 1000. Cover had 2.7 billion yen on their hands and could have used it to pump their stock price like Anycolor did. But instead they used it to buy a 3D studio, resulting in more and better 3D content for Holopro. Niji has a big problem of not having enough room for all of their hundred members to make 3D content, why not spending that 18 million dollars on upgrading their facility or hiring more competent managers ?

Like help me understand anons. Is the stock price that important for a company ?

>> No.70704685

shareholders are the most important thing to a publicly traded company
businesses are designed to make as much money for the shareholders when they are public
anybody else is secondary

clearly nijis actions did not benefit the shareholders tho kek

>> No.70704718

bump, I also want an answer. I was shocked to see cover with a lower stock price.

>> No.70704988

>>70704718
>lower stock price.
Do (You) retards seriously not understand that stock price is meaningless by itself, it depends on how many outstanding shares there are? Companies can do forward or reverse stock splits pretty much whenever.

>> No.70705199

>>70704336
Because Riku doesn't have a long term vision for the company, he has the same outlook as American CEOs who try to pump the stock value and cut costs right before the quarterly investors call.

>> No.70705284

>>70704336
There's a reason they're becoming more irrelevant over time while hololive started later than them but is now considered the industry leader.

>> No.70705344

>>70704336
>So far it's working
It's already dipping again.

>> No.70705368

>>70704718
It’s not really a surprise. Cover is a company focused on the long run, and Yagoo didn’t offer the whole company up either when it became publicly traded. Yagoo also isn’t willing to drastically reduce spending if it starts to negatively impact the company. This results in a very stable, well run company, but it doesn’t offer exciting returns for day traders, so stock traders generally tend to look elsewhere.
In contrast, Anycolor’s ship is very rickety, it feels like Riku took the advice of shareholders to a breaking point. He barely invested back into the company, which means it’s basically falling apart as we can see with NijiEN. But it offers high returns because everything is done so cheaply, and Riku does everything in his power to make it look promising for investors even though can see that things aren’t going that well. So it’s appealing to most investors in that aspect, but it’s just a matter of how much longer they can keep that business going.

>> No.70705477

>>70704336
In an interview he said himself this was for him a quick business gain adventure.
He had never taken the industry seriously, hurting so many people in his doing, and allowing a toxicity beyond measure.
Honestly if he would be gone then things would be unironically better. We are all hoping this last plan is a pump and dump so he gets away with billions and someone else fixes Nijisanji.

>> No.70705538

>>70704685
so how is yagoo immune from this?
cover stock price often hit low price but they didnt even bother to do an action unlike riku

>> No.70705663

>>70705477
Link to interview?

>> No.70705664

>>70705477
hopefully not.
i widh riku stay as niji ceo eternity lol

>> No.70705797

>>70705663
https://careerhack.en-japan.com/report/detail/971

>> No.70705879

>>70705538
Cover never wanted to go public, they got forced by their VC investors who wanted to cash out.
Yagoo is a lifer, he's not in it for the quick cash grab that Riku sees the industry as.

>> No.70705888

>>70705664
Someone has brain damage...

>> No.70705891

>>70705538
From an investor's perspective, you wouldn't worry too much even if the price isn't that high because you see that there's reinvestment.
On the other hand, AnyColor has nothing to show for shit and they are full of controversies right now.
I'll ask you now, if you're an investor, where would you put your money? In something that shows reinvestment or in something that is very volatile and is filled to the brim with issues?
If you're a day trader, maybe you'd select Anycolor, but that's too fucking risky. But how about the shareholders who have millions of shares there?

>> No.70705908

>>70705538
Don't quote me on this but a significantly lower share of Cover got offered to the public VS what got offered by Anycolor. Investors demanding growth in the stock price is easier to ignore if the original founder owns 80% as opposed to 40.

>> No.70705971

>>70704336
Didn't Niji say it's going to stop making model brush ups and outfits voucher/merit based and now have them given out at staff's discretion? aka nepotism only now?

>> No.70706479

>>70705971
It's still merit based in the sense that you must be valuable to the company to get stuff going forward (so have fun seeing Kuzuha get 10 more outfits that he's only going to use once).
The rrat has been floating around for a while that the reason for the blitz of 3D debuts and model updates last year were in preparation for this new system that's being implemented at the start of their next fiscal year.

>> No.70706582

>>70704336
>>70705538
This is actually what I actually feared when Cover goes public.
Thankfully, looking at it now, I'm confident that as long as Yagoo stay in his position things not gonna go downhill. Remember that one time when investor questioning Yagoo about giving talents too much compensation, comparing it to Cover competitor (salary pay, merch cut, etc.) and he just "yeah, that's not gonna change."

>> No.70706611

>>70705538
Yagoo has ongoing investment and future projects to point to for growth even if the chips are down for a moment. Their investments are fairly diverse (actual physical assets with tangible value, can be used for company production or even rented out to other companies if there is a drought in the industry) They also have a consistent history of steady growth (Niji by comparison is rapidly levelling out to the point where their stock barely grew in 2023)

People who buy Cover stock will do so expecting steady growth over time with dips here and there as the markets fluctuate. People who buy Cover stocks expect rapid growth until they hit market cap and then cannibalise the company for a quick buck. AnyColor was never intended to last a long time, it was just meant to capitalise on a 'fad'.

>> No.70706780

>>70704336
Black company...

>> No.70706826

>>70704336
You don't give a shit about their stock.
They don't give a shit about your feelings.
Welcome to capitalism, have a nice ride.

>> No.70707247

>>70704336
>>70704718
>>70705538
Simple explanation:
Yagoo was in it because he has a dream so he doesn't care if the stock goes bad.
Riku was in it for the quick cash. So he will try pump and dump, flash and dash somewhere else.

>> No.70707549

>>70706826
>muh capitalism
Meaningless buzzword
How old are you?

>> No.70707977

>>70706582
Nah, if anything, Cover's gonna try and buy back all of their stocks back slowly to return to being private traded.
Like, we know the stock dips after every Investor meeting. If retards on a vietnamese basket weaving board can see that pattern, Cover should be able to as well.
Hopefully they are doing that and not just my rrats to make me feel better about my Oshi company being anywhere near the stock exchange.

>> No.70709489

>>70705344
Buy the dip?

>> No.70710327

>>70704336
Dookiburds in shambles after failing to sabotage the stock prices.

>> No.70710494

>>70710327
You have to cut yourself harder nijisister, you are still alive.
Don't you want to be better than Selen at something?

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>>70710327
"Dookiburd" just streamed a fucking supermarket simulator to over 10,000 people. I don't think she gives a shit what your stock prices are.

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70712005

>When the company operates like a company

NOOOOOO HOW COME THEY'RE NOT CATERING TO THEIR PSYCHO EMPLOYEES EVERY WHIM? CAPITALISM HAS FAIIILLLED

>> No.70712097

>>70704336
Nijisanji has been a short-term cash-grab since its inception according to Riku himself:

https://careerhack.en-japan.com/report/detail/971
https://careerhack-en--japan-com.translate.goog/report/detail/971?_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

>"However, in terms of my natural personality, I tend to be lazy. That's why I want to do it all at once in a short period of time."
>"Actually, the reason why I decided to compete as a virtual YouTuber was because I thought it was a business that was suitable for a short period of time."

>> No.70712281

>>70704685
It's sort of benefiting them in that it's juicing the stock price in the short term.

However, this is the short term. The stock is going to be a lot more volatile now.

>> No.70712417
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70712417

>>70705908
I person who owns majority of the stock is a mystery woman who is very obviously fucking Achan. She's probably starting out got paid in stock since that's common in start up business. She was very on board and very savvy with these things in general and was probably fine with taking stock.

>> No.70712443

>>70704336
Riku is all about short term gain. He's a serial entrepreneur and never stays longterm with a company.

>> No.70712475

>>70704988
No, the people here are all poor retards, they don't understand that you can't just do a flat comparison stock prices, even in the same industry.

>> No.70712693

>>70712097
So glad that Mysta, Nina, Mika, and Pomu got out while the getting was good.

I'm sad that Selen and Zaiin had to go through what they did, but I'm happy that they're free and flourishing now.

Really hoping that everyone not in the clique has lawyered up to pounce on the next round of escape pods.

>> No.70713312

>>70704336
Anycolor's main investors are Yakuza.
They've given Tazumi one last chance.
If he fucks up again, he's going to mysteriously vanish.

>> No.70714211

>>70704336
>cares more about the stocks than your well-being
You are gonna freak when you find out about literally every other company on earth.

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70714815

>>70713312

>> No.70714943

>>70713312
Ever wonder why Riku hid his fingers behind his back, even when bowing?

>> No.70715142

>>70707977
is there any info about the share percentages?

>> No.70715489

>>70705199
Didn't Riku himself say that when he gets bored or when Nijisanji doesn't turn a profit he's cutting loose and leaving? Does this sound like a man that's in it for the long haul?

>> No.70715637

>>70712475
>rich enough to never have to work
>too lazy to invest time in stockmarket
I live frugally and enjoy myself, dont call me poor. Just call me stupid.

>> No.70716416

>>70705538
Even investissor want two kind of investissement, they generate quick buck with short term investissement and those bucks serve for long term investissement. Long term investissement come with influencal power, basicaly someone smart will make quick buck in niji them dump and get a fair share of cover. What do you get from that is from basicaly no money cost you get power to influence the Vtubing meta for the years to come. MEEEEEEEANing that you can influence indirectly the rise or fall or other short term investissement. For basicaly free. Well stock market is basicaly straight up evil.

>> No.70720949

>>70704336
kek

>> No.70722088

>>70707549
How the fuck is capitalism a buzzword? Do Zoomers really?

>> No.70722801

>>70722088
they're just another chud who cries themselves to sleep under a Gadsden flag knowing that all the money they sank into Fartcoin is never coming back

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