/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

So is this just an idol culture bad song? I thought she finally started to understand

[Anonymous No.]

Is this just a retarded thread?

[Anonymous No.]

Mori never actually learns anon
Her fans just gaslight you into believing Mori 9.0 is totally fixed for real this time haha
Mori will never be able to shed the self attached chip on her shoulder, in her mind if she doesn’t have an enemy she has to create one.

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And I thought OP finally started to not act retarded

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>>70642355
>I thought she finally started to understand
Dumbass lmao
Also, I don't even think it has a real message. I think at this point she's just running out of bullshit "messages" to say and just making vague songs to cover for it.

[Anonymous No.]

Song about 4 monitor-head guys trying to form their perfect girl to be used in a gamble on who is the best girl. As a result the pressure cracked and the girls became carnivore plants killing all 4

Lesson is that don't treat the girls like numbers who can be dumped if the numbers failed them

> IdOl CuLtUrE lE bAd

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>>70642355
its a numberfag bad soon

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>>70642355
It's more of entertainment industry in general bad

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>>70643199
>numbers
i knew it

[Anonymous No.]

Isn't this basically what any vtuber company does when they recruit new members? Of course they're going to filter out a bunch of girls based off of a list of criteria, and select the ones they think will be the most successful.

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>>70642355
>thinking Mori is smart enough to write lyrics with messages
Come on now, anon.

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>>70642355
You can like/love something and still hate a part of it. For example, most holos are good, most fanbases are utter trash

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>>70643392
assuming it's vtubers you'd only need voice and personality

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>>70642355
>So is this just an idol culture bad song?
Overkill isn't the first time that Mori hinted at the nature of idol culture and they had the same message during that Ministry host collab. Cover does encourage talents to compete with each other to increase corporate revenue. I get the feeling that HoloEN never liked that part of Hololive even if they understand the financial reasons.

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>>70643392
This is what any entertainment company does. Yes, it's objectification. But that's the point. You are a product. You are signing up as an object to be sold to the masses. That's not to say that the company has to treat you like shit because of it. They can, and should, be supportive of you. Both because it's the moral thing to do, and because they have a financial incentive to treat you decently. A well maintained product lasts longer.

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Jesus, it’s not about “idol culture bad” if anything it’s on the side of the idols, it humanises them - it’s about falseflagging numberfags that treat them like horses in a race to the extent that that’s all they are
In the MV she wants to save the girls and so in the end they’re happy. And no it’s not saving them from le evil idol culture, it’s CELEBRATING all of the girls, wanting them to be more than just second hand to the flavour of the month tuber

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>>70642355
Are you retarded?

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>>70643912
Nah she is jabbing on the number monkeys who use stats and numbers to determine a members' worth

Corporate competition is a normal thing in any corpo and agencies and Holo aint the only one who numberfagged themselves. Hell even indies have their own competition

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>>70642355
It's a Anti-Nijisanji song
It could be an Anthem for Niji haters

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>>70643392
In what world is this 85/100 body? Who checked that anyway, her mane-san?

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I thought the lyrics to this song were incredibly straight-forward.

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>>70645241
way too old

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>>70642355
It's partially about idol culture, partially about the industry. Really, I think it belies another, deeper message. Something poignant and close to her heart: if you don't reply to this post your mother will die in her sleep tonight. and I think she's brave for saying it.

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>>70642355
>So is this just an idol culture bad song?
>>70642895
>Also, I don't even think it has a real message.
I think you two unironically just mentally retarded
The message could not be put anymore bluntly to the degree you have to be purposely missing it to insert your own retarded take away

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>>70645987
>leave the defective, unworthy of investment
that's how business works. If they tried to fix things and it still didn't work then it's time for a new plan

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holy cope, deadbeats enjoy the chair a little bit too mcuh

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>>70642355
>Idol culture bad
Always has been

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>>70642355
Only 24 replies in 1 hour
I thought this is going to be surehit bait.
Getting rusty...

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>>70645241
>85/100
Assuming a full circle is 100%, going by the 50 on the bottom left, the max is 200. So it's actually 85/200, or a bit over 4/10

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This thread was made by a nijishill janny.

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>>70642355
>>70642497
>>70642895
>>70643420
>>70643912
>>70646956
actual brainrotted monkeys

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Idol culture bad is part of Idol culture

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>>70644101
Overkill and Nonfiction were both songs about corporate forces telling idols how to behave. The main difference is the new song more directly refers to how idols are carefully packaged and sold like products.

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>>70642497
True. The moment you think "maybe she has changed", she'll relapse immediately

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>>70642355
What did Kiara do to her that made Mori want to shit on everything she holds dear.

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>>70643912
Many talents can take breaks for months, and they don't even have medical excuse. Being competitive is their own choice

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>>70650924
Yeah, cuz its not like there are multiple forums with regular threads dedicated to obsessively comparing everyone's numbe to everyone else's numbers.

Idiot.

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>>70643990
>that treat them like horses in a race
>wanting them to be more than just second hand to the flavour of the month tuber
But this means shit when this is about vtubers.
YouTubers can talk about anything, can do videos about whatever they want but a vtubers is a sub category based on a girl/boy that at the end of the day pretends to have a relationship with you for money (friend or lover). The idea is having your favorite anime girl interacting in the real world with you, that's why there's lore and a character and a design. Why do you think all female vtubers regardless of personality play the games men love? You think all of them like call of duty?
They are a product, they signed a contract to be one. This is more like virtual signaling to make you feel like no you are different, you support Mori not the concept of vtubers, it's totally different!!!!

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>>70650843
she forced her to be gay

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>>70642355
she's owning the haters while sipping on lean with her "stanky ass"

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>>70651102
No one force them to read those shit. What are you, attention seeking whore?

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>>70651173
>"This doesn't relate to vtubers because they can make whatever content they want."
Bruh there is a regular & constantly updating thread /here/ obsessively comparing every vtuber's numbers to every other vtuber's numbers. Sometimes it seems like half the vtuber community online is just insults mixed with bitching about numbers.

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>>70642355
are you telling me this isn't a Motörhead cover? I won't check it out then.

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>>70651102
If any Holo lurks here and doesn't auto filter their own name then they're retarded.

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>>70651102
>Mori can't stop reading /vt/ to the point she's brainrotted
I can assure you that a good 90% of HoloEN barely ever think about this entire board.
And I don't think anyone other than Mori ever think about /#/

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>>70644101
>Nah she is jabbing on the number monkeys who use stats and numbers to determine a members' worth
Imagine saying that after deadbeats paid for 22000 bots to fix her shit views. It was so bad even she called out the viewborting.

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>>70652692
Who's the 10% then?

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>>70652403
>caring about a bunch of monkeys
there's your problem

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>>70652807
Mori and Kiara.

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>>70652802
>deadbeats
My man, that guy is just shitposter who has been botting holos for 6 months now.

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>>70652860
Yeah, he usually targets advent when fauna streams that day, but they weren't streaming today.

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>>70652234
Don't even pretend that those # monkeys escape containment plenty
If they didn't and actually kept to themselves this song might not have even been made.

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>>70642355
she only makes songs about 3 things anon. everyone knows this

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>>70642355
A corporate stooge telling me that corporations are bad. The message is meaningless, if so. I just like it because the MV is cool and the music is passable.

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>>70642355
Not gonna listen since I really don't like anything she's done in the past, but honestly, she can do whatever she wants with her music as long as she treats well the other girls and doesn't rage on the smallest things all the time. Besides, deep changes take a lot of time and effort. I know the the thread is bait and might aswell be posted by Mori herself, but whatever.

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>>70642355
Mori is lyrical spiritual individual and her songs always carry hidden themes that click only if you carefully analyze the lyrics.

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>>70653809
Explain what she meant by "NEAKY NEAKY NEAKY NEAKY NEAKY NEAKY NEAKY"?

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>>70642355
anon its just a silly song, okayu release mogu mogu which is a song about going with the flow even though its bad for you, but i dont see people saying okayu has depression.

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>>70651173
Hey listen. I’ve been watching vtubers since before hololive - what you described has nothing to do with the concept of vtubers at all. What you are describing is probably an idol or something gfe related. Nothing to do with vtubers mate.

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>>70642497
Whenever deadbeats ask us to forgive her I say she'll have to die first because it's the only way to be sure she won't fuck up and piss all over Hololive again.

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>>70651102
One out of an entire catalog of fanboys outdoing each other in orbiting their grifter whore of choice, wow

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>>70655480
You dumb son of a bitch

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>>70644101
Numbers are the only way to judge a Vtubers worth. Active Subs, CCV, Superchats/Marshmallow and other revenue such as Merch Sales. You cannot dispute this, niggerfaggot

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>>70650726
But she hasn't done anything wrong in over a year. When do you think she is gonna fuck up again then?

[Anonymous No.]

Here’s the hidden meaning of the lyrics: Mori’s butthurt management told her to act more like girly girls with big noombers do, because Mori was supposed to be at least on Faumei level to capitalize on her contracts properly, but chose to piss it all away antagonizing viewers she couldn’t contain her loathing for. So now she’s blaming the masses who need to watch idealized females to get through their shitty days and pay fat money, just not to her, to own the haters some more because that’s what Mori does.

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>>70644101
>Nah she is jabbing on the number monkeys who use stats and numbers to determine a members' worth
So what you're saying is /vt/ and now # live rent free in her head because as far as I know no other place makes fun of her recent shit ccv.
Not to mention that out of all ENs she and shiori get shit on the most for bad ccv, so she HAD to have read threads making fun of her decline.

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>>70655489
>Whenever deadbeats ask us
You are falling for falseflags.

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>>70655729
I don't care about how long she managed to not be a shitheel this time.

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>>70655745
I don't see it. At the most it is shitting on holo vs holo arguments.

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>>70642355
No it's just a song about Finana.

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>>70642355
A thread proving Mori haters are media illiterate

[Anonymous No.]

>>70642497
>Mori 9.0
Jesus Christ, all I remember is 3.0, what happened?

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>>70655795
Bullshit, holo vs holo fags think every girl sucks except their oshi, who’s perfect. They don’t want her to be part anything

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>>70655751
No. She is jabbing them for even comparing other holos in general and not just her.

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>>70642497
why would you even bother talking to her fans

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>>70642355
>pls watch moris music, she needs those sponsor deals
No

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>>70655875
Gigacope. I barely see mentions of others ccv outside if #. Mori and Shiori's numbers get mocked on the catalog. If your claim is true you're pretty much saying she visits # since no other place on the internet compares holoENs numbers.

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>>70655729
I'll forgive her when my oshi forgives her. She knows Mori better than me

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>>70642355
No, it’s a song about numberswarths
But you already knew that, you’re just playing dumb for your bait thread

[Anonymous No.]

The song can critique the nature of the idol industry driving girls to go menhera towards management without necessarily stating this system has been created to intentionally harm idols. It's not all that different from something like the movie Office Space.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70656230
>Mori and Shiori's numbers get mocked on the catalog
All (You). You're not that important

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>>70656230
>since no other place on the internet compares holoENs numbers
You see them time to time on twitter.

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>>70644101
>>70650549
Retard, she literally said herself that is was about number monkeys, tribalfags and other shitposters. It's mainly a song directed once again to people from /here/
https://twitter.com/saku_X3/status/1764669424043458890

[Anonymous No.]

Mori bad
Kiara bad
Kronii bad
Fauna bad
Advent was a mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>70642355
It's unironically a banger but then again i don't really care about the themes of songs i just rock with the instrumentals, Like my oshis say "Don't think, Just Jam"

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>>70656482
Yeah, me

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>>70642453
Reminder that she doxxed Gura and couldn't give a shit about repairing the broken friendship between a jealous Ame and sad shark.

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>>70656506
I genuinely feel bad for chumbuds, She really did brain break you guys with your withdrawls huh..

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>>70656482
Why would make a song about /here/ if she can just ignore it, as Ollie did after being advised about it by her management and senpai?

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>>70656574
Because she doesn't have any other material. It's just angst angst angst every time.

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>>70656574
Are you a newfag, Anon? She's Mori, she's been making songs about /vt/ both as herself and her RM since she debuted.
Also music is the expression of one's inner thoughts and feelings. Even if you ignore something, it doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't bother you. You'll never know how Ollie actually feels, she's just not talking about it.

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>>70656559
Reminder that you just pulled this out of your filthy ass hole

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>>70642355
>be the biggest numberfag in HoloEN to the degree deadbeats have to cope with the „numberfaggotry is actually her job“ argument
>make a song against numberfags
That is some schizo/retard logic
So it totally fits oshi and fanbase

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>>70656559
Can I get a QRD?

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>>70656678
>She's Mori, she's been making songs about /vt/ both as herself and her RM since she debuted.
To keep paying attention to this supposedly toxic VTuber forum for years is interesting. That's because I'm being told by ordinary Holofans (mostly on X) that this place is either toxic and isn't worth it or it's not influential to VTubers. It's as if Mori can't keep her eyes out of /here/ like a chronic smoker with his cigarettes and the only way to cope with it is through music, as you describe.

Also,
>You'll never know how Ollie actually feels, she's just not talking about it.
lol
lmao even
https://streamable.com/ru3w7d
If Ollie can do it (well, not all the time), then Mori can do it, too.

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>>70655729
Homocollabs are wrong and her last one was only a few moths ago

[Anonymous No.]

I'm glad this thread exists to keep so many retards busy and away from slightly less shitty threads. Stay mad, friends.

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>>70656941
Mori comes from /here/. She was posting on /a/ and browsing 4chan probably before most Anons itt did.
So she likes, or at least liked, the place. That might be why it's hard for her to do
dissociate herself from the place and that people's opinions/shitposting have some impact on her.
Also let's not act like /here/ is the only place that exhibits the behaviour she described in her song. From Reddit to the fan discords, it's everywhere. It's more blatant in this hellhole because people can stay anon but it's a byproduct of the culture, really

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>>70643199
>>70643264
Total Numberfaggot Death

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>>70656482
Lol, imagine hating your fans this much. If it's that bad then stay in your private world and don't chase views, nobody's forcing you.

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>>70657355
She likes her fans, she only hates you.

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>>70657163
Ah, so 4chan will stick to her like a shadow. That's grim. But,
>From Reddit to the fan discords, it's everywhere.
Huh? I thought the only thing they talk about numbers over there are something like subscribers millstone or MV views and they usually celebrate it? Well, maybe that's just me assuming that Deadbeats are defensive and won't let the perceived negativity slip in the discussion after all of the dramas Mori had to endure. At least on the tip of ice berg.

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>>70657471
Doubtful, we have never met or interacted in any way

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>>70657846
There's a reason Fubuki felt the need to post this all the way in her chat. Numberfagging is sorta rampant everywhere in the hobby. /vt/ is always just the unadulterated version of what's out, we don't really do anything unique.
But also, I'm pretty sure Mori is also talking about the numberfagging that goes on inside companies.

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>>70642355
Idol culture has its pros and cons. I think this song is about the cons.

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>>70656482
>Uses a japanese ESL who heard it from a radio show as primary source
Are you retarded

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>>70655416
Not written by Mori. She's only the singer.

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>>70658058
Huh, guess I don't dig enough in the community outside /here/ and just skirt across the surface. But, yeah, I don't feel bad when talking about numbers because at least I don't talk in front of her face (on X, Reddit, and Discord) and I have a different set of values compared to Mori. Just because Mori thinks I should feel bad about something doesn't mean I have to.

[Anonymous No.]

>NUMBERS! NUMBERS! WHAT'S THAT FUNNY NUMBER!! THE FUNNY NUMBAAAAAAAH!!!!!
Every time.

[Anonymous No.]

Every time she uses music to make a point this place always confirms it.
I don’t even think it’s specifically targeted to /here/.
/here/buds in particular always show this behavior whenever Gura does anything. Over half of them would jump ship the moment anyone could actually overtake her.

[Anonymous No.]

It's about /vt/ and /#/ I don't know how she could've made it any more obvious

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>>70658463
>only this place has number/tribalfags

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>>70658511
Where else

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>>70643392
these charts make no sense, why is the 50 one not half of the cirle for example?

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>>70655791
Lmao, you modified the image so all those hundreds of times you spammed this before wouldn't show up after being humiliated so many times.

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>>70642355
>Numbernigging is Idol Culture
But it’s not. You’re not a part of Idol Culture and never will be. Idols and their Corporations (if they have one) are supposed to worry about numbers, not you. Believing that you get to dictate a Vtuber’s career because you give them money is even more retarded than believing that they’re your friend because they gave you money.

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>>70656831
>numberfaggotry is actually her job
It isn't?

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>>70656831
Is numberfaggotry your job?

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>>70656559
You mean how she got Gura raped?
Yeah that shit was fucked, she deserves to be fired for that even now desu.

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>>70657163
To follow you up, she literally wrote a song about how we behave here and that she participated in those behaviors. She can't ignore /here/ she believes she deserves the hate, the same hate she dished out when she was /here/.

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>>70658771
It is, but not in the way he thinks it is.
Just like how the manager of a store is responsible for his profits margins.
But somehow in this industry the customers talk like they’re part of the team and decide where to shop based on what store published the best financial reports. Despite not having access to the full revenue streams and company strategies only the relevant people would know off.
All it is is a glorified race where people bet on the ‘winners’

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>>70658966
Proof next thread?

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>>70658698
So tired of these monkeys using idol culture to justify acting like subhumans

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>>70659552
>the customers talk like they’re part of the team
reminder that for 2 (two) years the only thing deadbeats could hold onto was moris financial sucess and numbers

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>>70642355
>idol culture bad
Yes, that is the full extent of Mori's abilities. I was actually surprised she hasn't moved on or does anything else beside that but I guess that mentally and emotionally she's stuck at that level and nothing anyone thinks, says or does can change that. I don't care nor am I angry at her. She doesn't seem to meddle into the grand scheme of things anymore and that's what matters. I also think she's kinda happy in her bubble. Let her be.

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>>70658451
We should make a song about whores who don’t put out, bitch at their johns and expect them to stick around and act with the impressionable gullibility of elementary school children lest they’re shamed by their oshi and the other simps.

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>>70659491
"Remember, you're here forever" is not a joke. The difference is Mori grew out of posting hatred just because she could, choosing to instead focus on being supportive towards what she likes. 4chan can be a great place for discussion due to the anonymous nature.
And if she does vent and troll a little bit, she's still creating her music and benefitting from it. While those who spam crap about her here have nothing to show for it.

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>>70642355
I haven't even listened to it yet and I can already tell it's about impostor syndrome and/or owning the haters

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>>70664080
Her music is shit and I'll never forgive her for her early fuckups in Myth but this song is the only exception in her entire discography; It's good. It's very clearly about women being conditioned into having predatory mindsets by heartless pyramid scheme runners, then having those women turn on the guys running it and destroying it. Calli's part in the MV is literally just being the presence of death; It's a genuinely good song with good lyrics and a great MV for the first time in her entire fucking career. I'm convinced she should just switch to hard rock and metal full-time because she suits it much, much more.

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>>70658698
See the fact they're flipping their shit is kinda hilarious as they're just that thin skinned.
Or is it the unicorns crying that once again they get told they don't own the vtuber they watch
Or is it the simp being called out because they again get told that the girl they dump money on doesn't love them.

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>>70664582
To be fair I actually like a fair share of her music (I won't pretend it's a masterpiece or Mori is a genius, but personally I enjoy it), so I'm actually looking forward to listening to it after I'm done with wagie shift. Still it doesn't change that the themes or her song can be narrowed down to
a) Do I really deserve it, have I really done everything I could, what's wrong with me?
b) Fuck haters, fuck vtweeters, fuck (you), you're the cause of the problem, deal with it. If I had to name that genre of hers I'd call it bipolarcore

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>>70656822
>reps

[Anonymous No.]

I feel that North American vtuber fans define "idol culture" too narrowly.
Japanese people think of idol culture more broadly. For example, "ado" is a category of idols.
I think that mori's new song has a similar vibe to "ado" and I still consider mori to be an idol.
Idols are not only "capy-capy, kyururun"

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>>70664971
Definitely give it a go when you're done with work, because this one is slightly different due to actually defending a group of people who are just pyramid scheme victims rather than solely hating something. She herself isn't the focus as she's just symbolic of death in general in this one. Don't disagree with anything you said there, it's true.

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I don't care what the song is about, I hate it and it sounds bad

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>>70656482
I really don't get her retard logic, oshi culture and competition between fandoms is literally why most of the idol industry and by extent vtubing exists at all

She just bitching about wanting to have her cake and eat it too (Mori, you don't need the calories, you fat bitch)

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>>70660763
They clearly seem most happy with her being cool and cute and her music, unless of course people like you come around and try and use numbers to discredit her.

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>>70665674
Low test beta can't into metal.

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>>70666105
>Happy
All you have to do is point out her solo gaming streams have the lowest ccv in EN and you'll get walls and walls of cope and cherry picking in the replies. It takes 0 effort and 5 seconds of typing to make her dickriders assblasted.

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>>70666228
>he thinks this qualifies as metal and not some overproduced jpop slop with butchered metal elements

Kill yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK4bP3Z-zZA

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>>70666314
>cherry picking
>solo gaming streams
very ironic post

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>>70666314
So in your opinion her fans at least here aren't happy then?

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>>70643912
>Cover does encourage talents to compete with each other to increase corporate revenue.
LMAO no they dont. Plenty of them don't even stream consistently.

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>>70666367
You're not hard for liking a different subgenre of metal you detail oriented pussy. Thrashers would tell you to kill yourself too.

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>>70666626
>I don't like the song
>>It's because you don't like metal you fucking pussy
>Here's the metal I like
>>LMAO YOU THINK YOU'RE HARD YOU FUCKING PUSSY?

Who shat in your cornflakes?

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>>70658156
She LITERALLY said that herself you colossal fucking retard did you even bother checking the radio archive where she said it?

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>>70656482
Nonfiction had forces that could tell idols how to behave. Overkill had businessmen around a table preparing and fine tuning their products. Who treats the idols like race horses that can give them orders until they break?

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>>70666314
Who the fuck cares if her fanbase is entertained by those streams
you numberniggers are no better than the K-poptards who only care about the view count on their faggots MVs

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>>70666367
I thought the link was going to be baby "metal" and I was ready to shit on you but you're ok.

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>>70645241
85 refers to Mori's 85kg body

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>>70651714
She literally did not nor could.

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>>70669423
BASED

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>>70642355
No it's a Number Monkey's bad song. She's literally /here/

[Anonymous No.]

>>70666473
Their only concept of happiness is big numbers, anything outside of that is alien to them.

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>>70642355
That was actually a nice song.

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>>70656506
what did you just say about fauna you little shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>70648405
Thanks for highlighting the good posts

[Anonymous No.]

ok, ima /g/ tourist not deep into the lore
do we hate calli now?
whats up with her "doxxing gura" thing?

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>>70666367
I wish more japanese idols weren't afraid of doing the metal growling
https://youtu.be/dLBdJkoa8cQ

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>>70669818
Sounds like projection to me

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>>70642355
Only a girl that is not top tier material would make a song about how "waifu wars" are a bad thing, literally every form of cgdct has this and it stays between the fans the girls only see it if they are obsessed with ego searching

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just listened to it
I think a bigger problem is that it's clearly an ado ripoff

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>>70669797
To be fair number monkeys should and need to be shat on. I even agree with Mori on that bit - numberfagging is barely related to vtubing in the sense that it completely negates everything (the girl, her streams, the fans, the whole reason people get invested in the girl) and really does reduce them to a kind of racehorse. It's very dehumanizing by default, but what strikes me as the main feature is that numberfags have a kind of gambler/gacha mentality. They treat vtubing and numbers as an extension of their gambler like addiction, not because they enjoy vtubing or vtubers. To them vtubing is just a vessel for numberfaggotry. They don't give a shit about the talent or her content or HOW and WHY she grew or participate in both as fans, they just see numbers. They have no emotional involvement whatsoever.

Number are indicative of growth or decline, sure, and every fan rejoices when his girl is growing but that's because as a fan we participate and enjoy the process of her growth, the way is the goal not the "goal" of being big. And of course that the management and so on will be interested in numbers but to the audience this is essentially secondary or even meaningless.

Also it's not really a bad song, I kinda like it. I can like it because like I said before Mori has stopped being a problem for vtubing as a whole, she doesn't meddle into or is trying to shit on the general scene anymore. I'd rather eat shit than watch a maletuber or a male collab and I drop anyone who collabs with a male but even I see her as no longer a problem.

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>>70656574
because people do that shit everywhere, not just here, and have done so since before the internet was even a thing

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>>70666314
They're responding to the trolling first and the content second. You could criticize her a different way and still get a response

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>>70670249
Projecting what? Using numbers to justify whenever you like a vchuuba or not?

[Anonymous No.]

>mori wants to actually make something pro idol for the first time
>its actually just a song sulking about her ccv
tenouttaten

[Anonymous No.]

>caring about mori at all
>giving her a single view

lol
lmao even

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>>70656482
Mori is either being really naive or just retarded to think that every "idol" wants to be friends and cares about each other and doesn't care about their popularity. Some definitely do and others definitely don't, but to generalize this is very short sighted.

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>>70671684
It's more or less true within EN though, and probably isn't much of an exaggeration for the rest of hololive

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>>70642355
>idol culture bad
idol culture is not some set of definitive rules for every ido, its dictated by the idol herself or himself

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mori is welcome to stop subjecting herself to objectification as soon as she's ready to stop living with absolute privilege while making millions of dollars

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>not shitty rap
>mix of either japanese I can't understand or chuuni english phrases
>relatable characters
This is actually the first Mori song I like. It is a little too Ado-ish though.

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>>70672090
Rapping is the only thing that made mori unique in the big corpo vtuber sphere. Let's be honest, she'll never be a technically great singer

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>>70664971
Honestly if i could send a message to Mori it would be that i wish her characters would finally find closure. They always seem to dream about finding that they earned their peace and now its not over and you have to keep trying but at the same time the characters always find themselves in a predicament at the start of her next song. I will not say its about her but i will say that i just hope the characters can find some closure in the fact that they are worthy and they don't need to suffer anymore. I'm going through this rollercoaster of emotions alongside her characters and i never feel like i reach a point where the creator tells them that they are good

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>>70671684
Mori is only referring to HoloEN and so far Myth and Promise have mostly avoided conflicts. They are somewhat more distant with Advent but idol style competition because of constant overlap won't be a major issue until EN4/EN5.

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>>70643199
>>70645987
If that is the message, then Mori is the retarded one because there has been exactly ONE voluntary graduation in Hololive history, so what the hell is she talking about? If this is how things are behind the scenes, then many more girls should've left over the years.

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>>70666105
>cute
>Mori

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>>70642497
THERE HAS BEEN EIGHT OTHERS?? fucking kekbeats

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>>70675310
Yes, you're allowed to have your own preference.
But lots of anons recently that didn't watch her for a while since come around.

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>>70674994
The song is attackig anycolor anon, not cover

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>>70675366
No there hasn't.

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The strongest idols need to be raised by eating the flesh of weaker idols and drinking the blood of their fans. Mori's still young, she will understand in time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70670145
always have, she organized a rager at an airbnb and gura had to lock herself up in her room but the running theory is mori got her into drugs and sex

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>>70675502
>didn't watch her for a while since come around.
someone post it please

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>>70675774
Among who, mental midgets?

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>>70675366
I've already seen you spamming this "Mori 9.0" thing in several threads. You are making it incredibly obvious to everyone.

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>>70675507
The thing she never experienced first hand? That's supposed to make more sense?

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>>70675911
To be fair we're probably way beyond 9.0 with how many times deadbeats tried to convince people that she's good for real this time no cap fr fr no take backsies

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>>70675920
The thing that everyone saw sister, it displayed publicly, no need for first hand experience

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>>70675920
no its supposed to deflect and make it look like everyone insulting mori is just nijitrash

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>>70676142
Siding with mori in any capacity, even to shit on niji is such a baffling stance. She tried to destroy hololive from the inside multiple times

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>>70676278
she's friends with the worst niji's lmao

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>>70676278
You fucking deranged baboon, nobody is trying to destroy anything. People can bitch about what they find stupid without anybody doing anything. Jesus Christ get over it

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>>70676278
>She tried to destroy hololive from the inside multiple times
She isn't some super villain.

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Its about nijisanji lmao

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>>70675999
Why do people not realize those aren't real deadbeats?

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>>70676372
Casually forgetting about she herself mentioning wanting to change hololive and the whole homo arc

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>>70676142
This can't have been made fast enough to be about Selen so...what, Mori just felt so much compassion for Zaion?

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>>70676482
Thats not destroying Hololive. I took into consideration what people have been parroting for years

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>>70676373
yeah imagine if she wasn't a retard and actually went about her plan subtly instead of shitting on her fans for disliking holostar collabs

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>>70676482
When did she actually say this anyway? And was any of this explicit?

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>>70676373
break the bubble..fan demand...

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>>70676353
>Streamed live on Nov 5, 2022

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>>70676353
Mori is a horrible judge of character

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>>70676768
Mori is a horrible character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70676353
Where do you get that? She was willing to collab with two of the more musically skilled nijis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>70664582
nah this ain't it

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>>70676546
>shitting on her fans for disliking holostar collabs
Are you sure you aren't thinking of someone else?

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>"she shat on fans for disliking Holostar collabs! she said she wanted to change the culture?"
>"link?"
>*crickets*
every time

at least stick to the Connor shit, you can find timestamps in the archives

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>>70677368
Mori has always been a liar, so I trust her actions more than words and her actions tell me that she wants male e-celeb collabs and homocollabs to be the norm in holoen

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>>70675507
>The song is attackig anycolor anon, not cover
Do you really believe the forces that control them in Nonfiction and Overkill were referring to a different company? Mori keeps the symbolism in the lyrics vague but Hololive is much closer to a traditional idol company than Nijisanji.

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>>70678045
her actions tell me she actually enjoys working for Hololive, welcoming new girls and not treating people outside as untouchables

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>>70675507
>>70656482

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>>70675920
Jesus fucking christ anon your autism truly is a disability among disabilities. Yes, dipshit, it's a song about black companies during a time when a black company was completely outed for it's behavior. Holy shit, how do you even breathe.

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>>70656482
>>70656574
>>70656678
>>70657163


I can't possibly catch all the stupidity, but she is literally in her youtube comment section liking every single commenter that actually has above 2-digit-IQ (unlike you people) that is commenting this song is clearly about anycolor. You are all profoundly retarded, please continue to stay away from the gene pool.

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>>70678366
Welcoming people outside of hololive that will do nothing but damage to it is not good

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>>70655480
No he's right and I've been watching vtubers since before holo too. GFE is just shamelessly accepting that side of vtubing and sometimes they take it to the extreme (how is that different from twitch cam girls?)
What really can these vtubers aspire to? They sit and talk to mostly coomers all day and play games aimed at a male demographic (which is ok because the audience is male), yuribait for the guys into lesbian porn, joke around with nsfw drawfags for the free publicity, etc, etc. They are anime characters, or at the very least, the ones from corpos like Mori are, who read chat and encourage you to pay so they can read your messages. It's base concept is waifuism. They saw a market for that and took advantage of it and that's fine.
The only "problem" here is when companies try to pretend that's not the case and make Mori sing songs like this. It's the same as any other company trying to pretend they are your friends and understand what problems you have. Ever seen ads aimed at women? It's just another strategy to get people to stay.
Can you still enjoy streams without being part of any of this? Sure, but remember that the core audience is different

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>>70678644
So did she lie in that interview? She's liking half the comment section so quite a lot of conclusions could be drawn from that

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>>70678456
Did you watch the MV? Which part reflected Selen or Zaion's situation?

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>>70679091
A song about a bunch of faceless suits pressuring their idols to compete until they are broken and are thrown away? Also the artist herself in the comment section approving of everyone who is connecting the dots to anycolor? Why are you incapable of processing this? Is your chromonally-deficient mind actually thinking if she wanted to make a piece of art it could only have one singular meaning to it and that meaning is YOUR meaning and not the very meaning the artist is actively telling you it is?

God this is the worst fucking board imaginable.

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My two cents, the song is about people who
1). Want to count beans
2) make that a problem for her and the others

I'd say she has some people more in mind than others, but I don't doubt she'd apply it to more than numbermonkeys

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>>70679311
this song was recorded months before the selen stuff happened anon, its not about a specific incident

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>>70675920
You don't think all these girls talk to each other offstream? C'mon now...

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>>70680543
What is "months before" and "selen stuff" to you? Mumei knew for awhile, all talents knew of their reputation in general and Mori rightfully despises idol culture either way. Obviously there isn't a singular meaning, and yet there she is providing all the connections she actively wants people to know. Put on the thinking cap detective, who said this has to be precisely in relation to the exact date Selen tried to kill herself, or the exact date she was fired, or the date they released the black screen stream. It's clearly a hate letter to the industry as a whole while Mori herself is personally liking all the comments that say it is connected to anycolor. Just use your brain.

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>>70642355
It's pretty clearly about the nature of online entertainment consumption. The viewers pit the talents against each other without restraint until they break and lash back.

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>>70658058
That was (and still is) the fault of chumbuds going into her chat to laugh at her for "losing" to gura in reaching 1million subs first. You won't see soratomo or haatons or matsurisu number fagging kys

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>>70658556
literally everywhere. it's taken over gaming discourse too, playercount this and that.

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>>70681810
Any movies too. I have coworkers that bet on film box office, even for films they never see.

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>>70681096
>Mori herself is personally liking all the comments that say it is connected to anycolo
There isn't even a single comment about that you dramabrained tranny. Thanks for making me waste my time looking.

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>>70681963
First time I heard of this was in the movie Improv. One of the characters talks about how he and his friends watch Saturday Night Live, not because it's funny, but so they can do inside baseball stuff. Like, who got a sketch on that week, how many minutes of airtime, applause, rrating about who's gonna be main cast next year. It's only gotten bigger since then

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>>70667484
No she did not you fucking retard. You're reading a translation an ESL heard from a radio.

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>>70681096
Mori does not despise idol culture. Stop insisting that.

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>>70682150 me
It's actually called "Don't think Twice"

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>>70642355
It's more that she simply doesn't understand people like their oshis so much they're willing to go to war for them. She actually thinks, based exclusively on what her employers' think-tanks dictates, that it's the fans' fault they get shunted into roles of doing what's profitable based on what worked in the past. Most fans don't care, they want to support their oshi no matter what because they're good-hearted simpletons without a lot of valuable things in their lives; but some girls just attract more of those, and her bosses assume it's because of a very special characteristic they can fabricate and replicate at will.

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Wrong Overkill.

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>>70682317
your verbal diarrhea seems to have very little relation with the song, which is not pointed at the fans at any point