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Cover still has not learned a thing from hiring shitty riggers like Guras.
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>> No.7062971

>>7062847
It looks pretty fucking bad, it surprised me when I saw the weird angles his face goes at and just how fucking big his mouth is
I thought 2.0s were supposed to be upgrades

>> No.7063012

It looked ok on today's stream, I guess he has adjusted his phone so the model doesn't turn too much on the right or the left

>> No.7063074

that's my dad

>> No.7063138

He was still having fun with karaoke!
Don't be a dick and point it out in chat.

>> No.7065747 [DELETED] 

>>7062847
Cover has lost a lot of esteem over the past year as more people started realizing what amateur fuck ups they've been making. Honestly, they really do snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

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>>7062847
Just fucking fire everyone at Cover already what the hell are they even doing? Their tech and management just keep getting worse each time.
Its funny when a company that makes literally Millions keep on losing to small Indies who have much better shit, its just sad at this point.

>> No.7066002

sorry but personally I dont care if the homos get a shitty rigger

>> No.7066046

>>7062847
Consider his model could barely move or open its mouth before... even a little more range of movement is an improvement, even if it looks bad when he turns too much

>> No.7066069

>>7065962
oh god what did they do to him

>> No.7066131

>>7066069
>rape

>> No.7066139

He looks really fucking weird when turning to his sides, but I love the painful expressions.

>> No.7066187

>>7066046
he moves like a fucking carboard when his head moves up and down

>> No.7066202

>>7065962
thank god my oshi has a good rigger lol

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>>7065962

>> No.7066240

i thought it was okay until he turned his head and his nose detached onto its own layer. what the fuck?

>> No.7066260

They butchered Risu the same way, her new model is suppose to be more expressive but it can barely capture her mouth now.

>> No.7066284

At first I thought maybe the art itself just doesn’t work with such degree of movement because of how many high dimensional facial “structures” there are to work with but someone similar like Chaika looks fine, also there are other problems unrelated to that like wonky mouth and eyebrow expression

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>>7065962
>>7066207

>> No.7066397

>>7062847
>Cover
>Improving

>> No.7066502

cover, more like cover it all in shit

>> No.7066571
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>>7065962
Look what they did to my boy

>> No.7066667

just give all the jobs to Reine´s rigger

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>> No.7066715

>>7066571
The rigger completely ignored his face shape seen from the front and just made it oval. Wtf is going on with the riggers that Cover hires?

>> No.7066793

better than nyanner's 3d model

>> No.7066811

>>7062847
It's a shame his design is good (not sure about the long arms) but the rigging is fucked

>> No.7066892

>>7066571
holy shit what the actual fuck that looks hideous and weird as hell.
Cover outdid themselves yet again this is by far the worse rigging they've done yet lol. Guess homofags bitching about how Cover treats the stars like shit was true afterall kek.

>> No.7066913

>>7066667
this guy right? https://twitter.com/tou_ilie he´s good

>> No.7066958

>>7066207
got me good

>> No.7067007

>>7066811
same Illustrator (Lack) as Flare, Rimuru and the new JP member from Niji

>> No.7067081

>>7066571
dame da ne!

>> No.7067090

>>7066715
Glad to see that it's one of the few pieces of criticism we can all agree on. Watched Gura for the first time in a long while when she did the Bus Simulator stream, and whilst I actually found the stream very enjoyable, the rigging on her model is an embarassment.

>>7066793
The 3D models need work for sure, but most of VShoujo's 2D models (and even indies in their orbit, like Haruka and Snuffy) completely mog Cover in terms of rigging.

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What I really don't understand is that Cover already has and hires some riggers who have shown to do really well at it. How in the world do they then go on to give these jobs to ones who can't even remotely handle it?

>> No.7067145

>>7067007
Cover problem in a nutshell. (Mostly) great designers, but shit riggers.

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>>7065962
>>7066131
>>7066207
>>7066571
>>7066674
kek just how do they manage to fuck up each? i dont understand

>> No.7067521

>>7067007
That new chick Lain is so good. Fuck. I never thought it was Lack.

>> No.7067901

>>7062847
implying its not "intentional"
so far the only members who had shitty rigging are Gura, Risu, Anya and this dude

>> No.7068329

>>7067901
No its actually not, whatever Cover does always goes to shit

>> No.7068426

>>7067521
How could you not ? Lack's daughters have similar faces

>> No.7068631

>>7067356
each time*

>> No.7068962

>>7067143
Pol's rigging never ceases to amaze me, i love it so much

>> No.7069756

>>7068426
Admittedly the most I had seen of her was, hilariously enough, fanart over her actual art.
So fucking much Lain and Ririmu together.

>> No.7070046

>>7069756
>So fucking much Lain and Ririmu together.
That’s because Lack is their dad

>> No.7071016

>>7067007
>same Illustrator (Lack) as Flare, Rimuru and the new JP member from Niji
fuck i meant to say Ririmu*
was watching Slime Isekai just now, i think thats why i ended up writing Rimuru instead lol

>> No.7071148

>>7071016
living room

>> No.7071520

>>7062847
Speaking of which, when is the last time Gura used her new rig.?

>> No.7072318

>>7067901
>and this dude
Temma and Robe's original rigging were pretty shitty but they managed to get good 2.0s

>> No.7072451

>>7070046
I know, but the immense amount of art of them together is just amazing. I especially love all the art with her carrying Ririmu. That shit is cute as fuck.

>> No.7074527

>>7071520
i think she stopped using it a month after she got it kek

>> No.7074900

>>7067901
dude, the shit rigger goes way back, they rigger matsuri

>> No.7075158

>>7062847
>>7065962
Anykara isn't any better. Have you seen Nijisanji's recent JP debuts? They're stiff as fuck, they can't look up/down or to the side (at least Aruran can do that now) and they have awful tracking. They had their Live2D done 2+ years ago and the company was too fucking lazy to update the models with recent 2.0 tech and left them in this sorry state because they knew people would watch them anyway based on brand recognition.

>> No.7075760

>>7075158
to be fair their debuts went pretty well, the glasses dude is gonna become one of their top names in no time. Plus, prior to tuning in there's no way to tell from the thumbnail whether the rigging is good or bad.

>> No.7076034

>>7074900
the homos have totally different riggers tho......
not the one who fucked Matsuri's, Coco's, Anya's and Gura's rigging

>> No.7076077

>>7075158
Axia’s is great
Lauren’s rigging is pretty bad in itself (even for the company’s standards) but the tracking problems in particular seem to be due to something on his own end. They don’t move to the sides because they don’t have 2.0 yet. Anyway I’d rather have a stiff model that looks decent than one that has more range but completely ruins the art

>> No.7076119

>>7075158
It's unreal at how little Leos' mouth moves. I joked about him being a hand puppet for the Mameneko.

>> No.7076237

I thought you were all joking by complaining about cover when you're talking about a nijisanji then I remembered he's a holostar not a niji. This is how little I care for holostars

>> No.7076366

>>7065962
JUST

>> No.7076368

there are hobbyist riggers on twitter who do ridiculously better work than the contractors Cover works with. like this girl who self taught herself back in January '21 and now does high priced commissions for indies.

https://twitter.com/cillia/status/1418113229503418372

>> No.7076570

>>7076368
I'm pretty sure the rhombus rigger and the other 1-2 incompetent riggers are only hired for nepotism reasons because they started doing work for Cover in its old days, or they're best buddies with Yagoo or so other higher-up. There's plenty of great riggers they could hire yet they keep settling for the same shitters.

>> No.7076663

>>7076570
https://twitter.com/himono_vtuber/status/1376526115301335044

>only hired for nepotism
i wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. Gura's rigger fucked up so many parts and even left visible gaps in their model. shittiest quality control that wouldn't pass for most indies, let alone a company like Cover

>> No.7076664

>>7076034
what does that have to do with my comment? I am giving the other anon more information to make a better post next time. I was expecting a rebuttal saying "but that was three years ago, the rigger was a new face in the market and so was cover"

>the homos have totally different riggers tho......
Also, surprise https://twitter.com/MegaJujube

>> No.7076838

>>7076368
It's fucking sad how you can find a bunch of indies with vastly better rigging than what talents in huge agencies end up with.

>> No.7077426

>>7076838
seriously, what is even up with that? why do indies look so much better rigging wise? a company like Cover does not deserve to go around calling themselves "cutting edge 2D entertainment" if 90% of their vtuber representatives all move like animatronics

>> No.7077735

>>7076368
Yeah I should learn rigging. Sounds like a sweet side hustle.
I mean is this just rigging up the image to live2d?

>> No.7077830

>>7077735
It's honestly something I've been considering myself, given I have some experience working with 2D motion content in AE already.

>> No.7077928

Japanese are usually behind when it comes to advancements in technology.

>> No.7078043

>>7065962
I just don't see how you can rig a male face with more defined facial features to look left and right without it looking weird. Anime girls look fine because their faces have no depth.

>> No.7078440

>>7078043
you can squish the nose back so it's more centered on the face, instead of flying off to the side.

>> No.7078563

>>7062847
Somehow for the first 3 Live2D 2.0s revealed for the homos, Miyabi managed to get the best rig
https://mobile.twitter.com/FELUCCACHAN/status/1415643318323613706
Temma's is definitely a huge improvement over his old, stiff as hell rig but the mouth movement is still weird as hell (mostly due to the lack of teeth whenever he opens his mouth). Aruran's is just plain weird no matter how you look at it.
In related news, according to Oga, his 2.0 reveal is slated for either the 31st or August 1 alongside Roberu's and Shien's. I'm curious to see how they'll improve (or god forbid, worsen) the rigs especially considering both 3rd gen members already had good 1.0 riggers (Oga got Naname, Shien got Jujube)

>> No.7078664

>>7078043
What, no, you'd just add more vertices to the mesh. You can add as much detail as you need too, it's not like it's arbitrarily deforming it between the keyforms. If you tried to just rotate any face without considering the structure it'd look like their face was rolling around on a ball.

>> No.7078665

>>7066571
Has somebody hit his nose with a claw hammer?

>> No.7078908

>>7078664
The face rolling around on a ball was risu's 1.0 model problem... I am not 100000% convinced of her new one but it IS an improvement

>> No.7078957

I want Aya Shobon to do rig a live2d. They even do character design from time to time. It's my fantasy, you see.

>> No.7079095

>>7077928
They're still a mostly cash-only society, in an age where you can use your watch to pay for everything. Their banking system is extremely ass-backwards and is one of the biggest reasons why everyone uses cash for everything: to avoid interacting with their banks as much as possible.

>> No.7080008

>>7066913
>rigged Shogun's summer outfit
>retweeted the live2D announcement, the 2.0 showcases of Yurustars from their new riggers, and Shien's 3D model showcase from his modeller
Tou_ilie's definitely going to be one of 2.0 riggers

>> No.7085234

>>7076368
Where do you even find resources for learning Live2D in the first place?

>> No.7085320

>>7062847
you fucks are acting like if aruran's model wasn't shit from the beginning i can't imagine how shit it's going to look in 3D

>> No.7085381

>>7066260
That's an issue with her set up, not her rig. It sometimes works perfectly fine and sometimes it just bugs out.

>> No.7085463

>>7076664
That's funny, jujube is usually pretty decent. Must be an issue with the original rig.

>> No.7085756

>>7062847
Arurhombus...

>> No.7085933

>>7085234
Official Live2D youtube (japanese) https://www.youtube.com/user/live2d

fan based Live2D channels
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrlV1Iy0clxpfBADND4ONIQ
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxFAEkWAWdCde1FYQzBVaKA

freelance organization channels like Iron Vertex
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR1IdHR7c9wo8Ik5dHWapVw

Live2D Community Discord - http://discord.gg/live2d

etc. etc.

>> No.7086022

>>7062847
Ohh yeah the Aruran shit is hilarious he unironically looked better with his first almost static Live2D. Shinove has the same issue to the point where the stars took to calling him ironman because he barely moved, they don't even use it anymore favoring just a static png
Honestly Temma's isn't far behind and Miyabi looks like how the girls did in 2019. I don't know why they made such a big deal out of the updates if they weren't going to given them big improvements like Coco or Polka got

>> No.7086055

>>7066284
Lack's other 3 daughters all look more than fine so it clearly doesn't have anything to do with the art.

>> No.7086125

>>7067143
>How in the world do they then go on to give these jobs to ones who can't even remotely handle it?
Because they can't just offload all their work onto the same guy. Also I'm starting to suspect that it's just Riggers not knowing how to handle males, because Temma's rigging was also fucked but he was rigged by Rariemon who did Korone and Marine and their Live2Ds are great

>> No.7086204

>>7085463
The only Jujube-rigged star is Shien. Naname rigged Astel, Roberu, and Oga, and Rariemonn rigged Izuru, Rikka, Miyabi 1.0, and Temma 1.0.
Aruran's old rigger is apparently the same rigger for Aqua's, Rushia's, and Haachama's 1.0 Live2Ds.
https://mobile.twitter.com/fumi_411

>> No.7086305

>>7086125
Honestly Rariemonn's rigging is all over the place. On one hand, you have Korone's current rig which is already pretty alright. On the other, there's Temma 1.0 and IRyS (although Redjuice's artstyle probably also contributes to why IRyS' rig looks so weird)
Marine eventually got handed over to tou_ilie for 2.0 though which explains why her model's eye and mouth tracking/movement are really good

>> No.7086403

>>7086305
>IRyS (although Redjuice's artstyle probably also contributes to why IRyS' rig looks so weird)
this is a retarded take because all it needs is Redjuice providing the rigger examples of what the model looks like looking left, right, up down, and then just deforming the in-betweens. same with Aruran's.

instead, there was no reference, so the rigger just did what they thought was good enough with deformations and now we have shit like Aru's floating nose because riggers aren't skilled at art or perspectives

>> No.7086560

>>7086403
>because riggers aren't skilled at art or perspectives

Correction: *bad* riggers aren't skilled at art or perspectives.

If you believe that the people who are actively working with drawn models themselves by default have zero experience with perspective or art, I'm not sure what to say.

>> No.7087819

I find it funny how Gura used the rhombus model for one month, dropped it- and never told anyone about the fiasco because shes too dumb/reserved/autistic/retarded to tell anyone she has problems.
Like holy shit Gura it's been almost one year now grow a fucking spine, you can tell this girl was bullied in school.
>"This rigging sucks fucking shit and i want it fixed NOW".
And boom just like that, there's a reason why "newcomer" tv actors gets stupidly expensive if the series becomes a hit, they know they can ask for more money because without them the series goes to shit.

>> No.7087901

Anyone remember the link to that one rigger who rigged a piece of toast for one of their models?

>> No.7087938

>>7085234
You can more than get by with just the official documentation

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>>7078563
Roberu accidentally gave away a surprise with his 2.0 during his GTA stream. Cover's software accidentally picked up his controller or something during the options configuration part and when scrolling through he accidentally switched to his 2.0 for a second and revealed that it will give him the option to go without his vest

>> No.7092711

>>7092621
Didn't Roberu already had a small stealth update a few weeks ago? I could have sworn he looked a bit different lately.

>> No.7092763

I say it again, why put effort when simps world wide dont give a shit.

>> No.7095629

>>7087901
https://twitter.com/BrianTsuii/status/1347403846218358786?s=20
The same guy also rigged Risu's new model btw.

>> No.7096185

>>7065962
axolotl annihilator daddy lookin like a salvador dali painting

>> No.7096931

>>7066913
Also did Botan

>> No.7099940

>>7092621
Holy shit is this his new 2.0? His nose and the back of his head look so fucking bad. Why are you like this Cover?

>> No.7101019

>>7087819
She's a pushover alright, if something happens where she could easily get it fixed by talking to someone, she won't do it cause of anxiety and fear of causing trouble for people. She said on stream one time that her Mcdonalds order got fucked up and was missing a bunch of stuff and she could have went back and asked for those missing items but decided not to, yet she paid full price for all of it, if something as harmless as wanting her food order corrected was too much trouble for her, then getting her company to have her new model properly fixed would definitely be an impossible task. I believe why her cat girl outfit only had it's ears fixed and the tiny hole in her chest patched up was because of the fan outrage and harassment towards her shitty rigger, where he stopped tweeting for a week just to fix a 10 minute rigging job.

>> No.7104637

>>7101019
She needs to grow a spine.
Thats why her fanbase is the worst because she never has the guts to tell em off. Pathetic.

>> No.7104705

i-its just the a-artstyle

>> No.7104820

>>7104637
If she had the attitude of Ame, there could be lots of improvements, especially now that she has been placed onto the throne of "#1"
I'm sure it must be tough for someone with horrible anxiety but the stars aligned and now she has been given probably the best opportunity any mid 20s weeb girl could want, its about time she accept this "power" and become a better person.

>> No.7105529

>>7065962
looking very :^) there papa

>> No.7105609

Anyone got a pic of him doing the "POG" face? That was funny asf.

>> No.7105611

>>7092621
I thought that was just his model glitching.

>> No.7106489

>>7065747
This. How are indies mogging them so bad in terms of rigging and 3D?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_UyiO81mgQ

>> No.7106611

>>7106489
>Getting mogged by Indie catgirl artist
>Stars can't even compare to this
Cover, wtf are you doing?!?

>> No.7108283

>>7066571
>>7066674
>>7067356
Looking at the screenshots it makes me think the main issue here is that the riggers are probably not artists themselves.
Anyone that knows how to draw will know that's not how noses work at a 3/4 profile and would do a better work.

>> No.7109559

>>7076663
Himono's one of the best, and only really takes one job a month so that they all turn out good.

>> No.7110700

>>7109559
Cover obviously has the money to hire good riggers, but they're cheaping out god know what dumb reason

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