/#/ - Numbers thread

[Anonymous No.]

Previously on numbers... >>6944488

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>>6980641
numberfag tools

ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat
>https://twitter.com/holo_data

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly/2021-07-24
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

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>>6981288
Any list where Gura isn't first it's objectively wrong.

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>>6980641
Nagao Kei's birthday
Chihiro was playing CRcup
Pomu announced a 2 week break due to surgery
Kanae talked about Chronoir anniversary
Elira streamed for 11 hours then had a heartfelt thanks so people spammed SC

Now in the news of our new debuts.
Leos is leading the crew at a fast pace subs wise. His first game VOD had 55.8k max live viewers and is at 1.3m views right now
His second game VOD had 17.2k max live viewers and is at 166k views right now. Spectacle/debut buff is very much a thing, especially considering Leos trended over the fucking Olympics on Japanese twitter at one point during his first stream.

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>>6981584
Twitter trending attracted a ton of viewers to see what Leos was doing to get himself trending.
Let's see what his game choices are to keep his momentum. The dude is a genuine poorfag speedrunning autist based on what people could glean from his living conditions though.
Niji definitely look like they hit gold after taking a year+ to debut this wave.

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>>6981584
I'm surprised the 1m+ on both vods didn't result in a much higher sub rate.

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>>6981584
>His second game VOD had 17.2k max live viewers and is at 166k views right now.
This is actually hella impressive because he was streaming at 5am -7am JST and still got 10-17k. Kuzuha was also streaming Pokemon Unite with his Nijibros to ~13k at the same time.

I think Leos is going to continue to get 20k+ for 2 weeks and we'll probably see what his normal numbers will look after. First impressions seems to be that he'll be at least Fuwa/Ib tier in terms of numbers.

Not enough info yet on Lauren and Axia to know what their numbers will look like playing Apex in the future, since a lot of people checked in to their first Apex streams to see if their skills are legit. Both still got around 40k, which is still a lot considering debut buff.

Lain has not shown anything yet, but 22k for a talk stream and being the 2nd fastest Niji to 100k is a pretty good sign. The talk stream buff feels majorly buffed by debut buff so no way of knowing what her normal numbers are like until her 2nd stream. Seems to be more successful than all the Selene girls already.

Oliver unfortunately seems to be heading to 2k average viewer land like the majority of Nijis. He is a first time streamer after all but at least his acrylic stands sold out .

Pretty obvious from the numbers, but this batch of Nijis are a massive success already.

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>>6982135
Aren't japs like weirdly "stingy" with things such as subscriptions and likes?

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>>6982135
>both vods
Not quite yet. As you can see his 2nd game VOD is 10x less than his first game VOD. There is a reason why anons attach the word tourist to Nijisanji numbers. People will stop by to look, and then leave. That's why livers with 2k average live views can get 80k+ live views on their 3D debuts. Regardless, he still broke the record of fastest Niji to hit 100k, it took 29 hours. And he also streamed over the Pokemon Unite spam from all the top Niji males.

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>>6982371
The view count on her new song kinda makes me sad.
Yagoo even retweeted it and it only gained 10-20k views in a day.

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>>6982375
Look like the decline of hololive is finally here bois. I honestly dobut hololive en gen 2 can reach these number after looking at what happend with Irys.

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>>6982554
oh fuck off cunt, you know damn well nijiJP and holoEN watchers aren't the same people at all

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>>6982135
A lot of those are 'tourists' and low-engagement viewers most likely. Twitter trending = curious onlookers, not people who are necessarily going to subscribe, given JP subbing meta is different than EN subbing meta from what I remember.

The fact that he's growing so much faster then his gen-mates is a very good sign though, and give him 2+ weeks to see if there's any games he's got a preference for.
Getting a poorfag speedrunning/gaming autist seems to have struck gold for Niji though (based on what people were saying about his living conditions)

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Also got the one for 23rd

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>>6982474
>There is a reason why anons attach the word tourist to Nijisanji numbers. People will stop by to look, and then leave.
???

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>>6982638
how the fuck does kuzuha channel do it

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>>6982474
He still had more viewers than Kuzuha during the 2nd VOD though, around 17k at the end while Kuzuha had 13k. He got less than the first mostly because he was playing it during the morning.

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>>6982636
For him. We can't say it will actually affect any old time Niji. It's the same with Kuzuha and Kanae. Their consistent numbers is just them. It doesn't pass on to other people.

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>>6982501
>Twitter drama drew negative attention
>Short Version of song
>People heard the long version in her concert so they won't rewatch the short version
>She's tanked her core watching group, which fucks the recommends on her new song
It's unfortunate it's not doing well, but Matsuri gets the consequences of her own actions

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>>6982624
yeah, not the same people, nijijp viewers are still watching nijijp while holoen viewers have moved on to watching indies and other agencies

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>>6982679
People drop by to watch but don't sub.

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>>6982554
>Look like the decline of hololive is finally here bois
Despite what tribalists tell you, the incline/decline of Holos and Nijis aren't linked. Both companies inclined in the past year as vtuber grew in general popularity, Holo just inclined more because of a lower starting point. If anything, this Niji batch is a good sign that HoloJP6 will be even bigger, since HoloJP5 already had better debut numbers than this Niji batch. Leos's first stream numbers are insane by any standard and went viral so HoloJP6 might not match that.

>I honestly dobut hololive en gen 2 can reach these number after looking at what happend with Irys.
The EN vtuber ecosystem is very different from the JP ecosystem so there's no point in comparing. Gura is the biggest vtuber by far in the West and nowadays, she averages around 22k with her best games, whereas Pekora is the king of JP and she gets 35k+ solo MC streams quite regularly. That being said, Irys did far from bad wtf. 500k subs in less than 2 weeks, 25k for first game stream, 37k for first singing stream. Even if she ends up being a 9-10k average streamer, that's in the top 0.1% of EN vtubers.

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>>6982474
You have to take into account there was a long gap of time in between the two streams and the second one started right when morning was beginning

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>>6980641
Number 4 has one of the most insane ratios I've ever seen, nearly $4k for a 6k sub indie who had 150 peak viewers?? And it doesn't seem like it's just from a couple of insane paypigs, she had more individual superchats than Luna.

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>>6983022
That's true for every single JP streamer you dumb fuck. Go look at Jun and Kore's sub to viewer ratio.

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it's just the usual buffed season for niji.

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legit question which one is worse in you guys opinion: watchers who don't sub or subs who don't watch?

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>>6982371
And here's the right one

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>>6982987

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>>6983222
>>6982638

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>>6983075
HoloJP popularity is dependent on how popular they are in EN and that popularity has been stagnant, Irys has lots of subs but has been very disappointing and underperformed in streams compared to EN gen 1, that shows the fanbase hasn't grown a lot and any new holo JP gen won't be much better than their predecessors

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>>6982638
And here's the right one

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Just don't respond to bait. It's the same autistic anon from yesterday

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>>6983233
holoen not breaking 20k even though they used to do that casually last year? how does that disprove my point? they're losing viewers to all the new livers coming out in other agencies

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>>6983127
Subs who don't watch AT ALL are worse, but not everyone who subs is going to watch everything. If you're at least watching some of their content it's fine.
See: Kizuna Ai. People meme about Gura's dead subs, but Ai's subs are well and truly 'dead'.

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>>6983089
This is the vtubers numbers board and I am talking about anon's impression on Nijisanji live viewers

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>>6983410
nippon terebi news i kneel

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>>6983222
Do you still not understand? I cannot tell if you’re being serious or not.

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>>6983437
>holoen viewers have moved on to watching indies and other agencies
>shows data
>Sidetracks to another goal post.

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>>6983465
They aren't any different from regular streamers in that aspect. Jun has the same amount of subs as Kuzuha yet triple the amount of viewers. JP doesn't sub, like or comment as much as Westerners do.

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>>6983410
>Leos beat fujoprince
Unfathomably based.

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>>6983127
As much as people make fun of dead subs, obviously you would prefer subs who don't watch over watchers who don't sub. A sub is a clear sign of support and that someone is a fan, whereas a watcher could be anything, a fan, a tourist, a hatewatcher...etc. Also, the sub number is an easy number to spot and basically a count of your fanbase. On the other hand, only numberfag sites like this thread and playboard keep track of live viewers. If you ask the average vtuber fan, they can tell you Gura has 3 mil subs, but they won't remember what her peak live viewers.

Talking specifically about Hololive since Niji subcounts aren't that high, but a EOP might never check out a Pekora stream because of language barrier and timezones, but sub to her and watch a bunch of Pekora clips. That doesn't make them any less of a fan imo.

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>>6983741
Being in the numbers thread, the only reason someone should be against "dead subs" is if they affect the algorithm and end up giving you poorer numbers in terms of growth or engagement. But given how Gura continues to be loved by it, that doesn't seem to be the case.

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what happened to ame? unarchived karaoke but only 13k views meanwhile ina at JP prime time.

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>>6983655
I said holoen viewers moved on not ALL holoen viewers moved on, they're getting chipped away. give it another half a year and you'll see it even more clearly.

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>>6983908
I mean it's in your picture. She's singing at the same time as Gura's stream. Ame's unarchived karaokes usually peak around 19k anyways.

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>>6983908
It's not 3D chibi

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>>6984050
Entirely Cover's fault for completely stalling on future gens that would have kept up interest presumably because they are wasting a lot of time and money on side projects right now.

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This is interesting

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>>6983908
>Gura overlap
>Ina exploring the END, novel for HoloEN MC server, plus the tension of finding an Elytra in the wastes as her sanity gets chipped away

>>6983885
I want to see how her next original song does compared to Reflect. A lot of these subs are likely getting drawn in from that + the usual sources (clips + being algo blessed, good lord is she algo blessed).

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>>6983885
No no no. Gura has 3 mil subs therefore she must have 3 mil viewers every stream just like Pewdiepie instantly gets 110 mil views each time he drops a video

Cumkeks cope lol. Deadsubs, memeshark is reclining

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>>6984185
It's been known that Youtube suppresses live viewers based on spam/adblock/because Susan feels like it

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>>6984258
>I want to see how her next original song does compared to Reflect. A lot of these subs are likely getting drawn in from that + the usual sources (clips + being algo blessed, good lord is she algo blessed).
This is predicated on Gura actually being able to get her shit together and starts pumping out music more often.

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>>6984301

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>>6983410
>I even have TBS NEWS
Congratulations

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>>6983885
Well yes, obviously you don't want a situation where you have 3 mil subs but your videos struggle to crack 100k views. But otherwise, you still had 3 mil people decide that you were worth subbing too, which is something most people can't say. On the other hand, if I had 100k viewers but only 50k subs, I would be like WTF 100k people watched me but only half thought I was worth a sub.

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>>6984453
That post isn't even worthy of this image. In fact, your post feels more owrthy of the image since it made me reply.

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>>6983885
Dead subs don't affect anything other than making numberfags think the vtuber is doing poorly the more subs they get despite not increasing their average live views. The fact is, if you have stable live views, yet are gaining that many subs, you are obviously doing something right as new people are still consistently checking you out. This can be said of nearly every vtuber we discuss here

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>>6983908
Ina is more popular than Ame. Even when they did the full Minecraft collab, Ina had like 6-7k more viewers than Ame.

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>>6983885
Kizuna AI has 2.8 million subscribers and has been reclining for a long time. I don't think any reasonable person would claim Kizuna AI is currently more successful than Pekora or Marine

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>>6985213
Let's just end this conversation now because it happens every single thread and no one can reach a conclusion because success and popularity does not have a concrete number the same way subcounts/superchats do. Fwiw, I do think her Youtube game is massively declining compared to her vtuber peers.

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>>6984855
why is she reclining?

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>>6984668
>Dead subs don't affect anything other than making numberfags think the vtuber is doing poorly the more subs they get despite not increasing their average live views
Pewdiepie has over 100 million subs, which is a successful number. If he gets 100k live viewers, he would become garbage/poor/bad by your standard. If we are determining popularity, even if Pewdiepie pulled 30k, and Pekora pulled 35k, Pewdiepie is still more successful/ popular overall.

It would be more accurate to say it all matters. Live viewers, VOD viewers, upload views, members, SC, all showing success on YouTube.

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>>6985431
Naw, I think you're misunderstanding the other anon. It's a very popular bait in numbers threads that since Gura gets less average viewers than Pekora despite having 3x as many subs, it must mean that Gura's subs are dead and she's reclining. He's basically saying what you're saying.

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>>6985431
You agree with me in this post though, lol. And yes, all numbers should be discussed here. Glad we're on the same page.

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>>6985325
Wow, Enderdragon collab def brings extra hype, but HoloEN full MC collab numbers yesterday being higher than their full MC collab in Dec 2020 is surprising to me considering how much people like to spam here that they're declining. Ina in particular has been inclining hard with Minecraft thanks to being easily the best MC player in HoloEN.

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>>6985325
Playboard seems to have Ame at 7,982 average viewers, with Ina at 9,858 average viewers.

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>>6986017
So very roughly 49.5k people watching the HoloEN collab live (I'm a little lazy to check each vod at a specific point right now).

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>>6983908
why do takos only watch minecraft?

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>>6986242
Ina doing MC or Drawing is good background noise or sleep aid.

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>>6986161
Playboard's average viewer count only counts the last 15 streams so it's not the best data source. If you want to see Holo statistics, either use Holostats or this twitter page.
https://twitter.com/Holo_Data/status/1417635004285210628

In July, Ame's median views are 7.6k and Ina's is 8.6k. Ame has been playing Celeste and Mario 64 which are bad numbers wise, with the occasional Supa sunday big debuff. Ina has been streaming The Wonderful 101, which is a big debuff game.

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>>6983296
>Irys has lots of subs but has been very disappointing and underperformed in streams compared to EN gen 1
How so? Outside of debut buff, she has been getting more viewers than any EN1's individual stream at similar timeslot except Gura (generally around 9-10k, give or take a few hundreds of viewers), and that's with other ENs' streams overlapping hers as well

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>>6984185
Wouldn't these streamers be marketable as fuck for sponsors? What if some of these streamers were getting 23k+ on the regular but only shows up as 7k-10k?

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>>6987568
Yes, both Holos and Nijis gets sponsors regularly.

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>>6984185
Holy mother of holo, this is from a livestream right?

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To those anons who were saying that cover is going to announce en2 on the 25th, do you really think they are bold enough to go head to head with the Olympics?

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>>6987810
Yes,there's some fuckery afoot, and multiple polls definitely indicate that live viewer count is pretty scuffed, even accounting for viewer churn.
>>6987568
They are, but sponsors have to be smart with what they sponsor because not everyone will tune in to watch a full game, but something like a promotional product will do REALLY well

See: Shilling Scarlet Nexus vs Red Bull ambassador program

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>>6987568
What the other guy said. However, a lot of nip sponsors are probably still catching up to the time. Yagoo said in one of his interviews (the one with Business Insider IIRC) that only after their Nissin Curry promotion stream that they started getting a lot of offers from big corporations because they didn't think VTubers were that popular before that

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>>6987873
Actually that brings up a good point, last week during the debut wave people will saying that they were debuting then because they had insider information that hololive will be making a move soon, but then it could just very well be that they wanted to debut before the Olympics stole their thunder

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>>6986017
I'm curious if Minecraft actually a debuff game for EN vtubers?

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>>6987929
>>6987968
Yeah, I was thinking more about sponsoring products rather than games.

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>>6987873
Do the audience that watch Hololive even care about the Olympics?
>>6987968
It was more that companies didn't think Hololive sold well before the curry sponsorship. Yagoo stated that offers from companies started coming in after the huge success of that sponsorship.
Redbull recently double downed and are doing a part 2 campaign. It wasn't until early 2021 that Hololive started exploding with sponsors and campaigns with various companies.

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>>6988077
It's a bit complicated because it depends on the streamer. Firstly, minecraft is one of the most popular games in the west right now. Dream and his friends get like 150k+ viewer streams casually when they do their RP minecraft streams so it's not a debuff game normally.
For corpo EN vtubers in particular:
- Huge buff game for Kiara (She goes from getting 3-5k playing JRPGs to 8-10k)
- Good buff game for Ina/Ame/Gura (Ina and Ame get 10k+ with minecraft, which is a good number for them. Gura gets ~18-20k normally, which is a good number for her)
-Possible debuff game for Calli (She's really bad at minecraft. Her fans would rather watch her read "Shrek is love, Shrek is life" with her face covering the whole screen or ear-bleeding ASMR than watch her struggle at MC)
- Buff game for NijiEN, Huge buff game for Elira when she does Hardcore Minecraft challenges.

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>>6988314
Not the west, no, but the normie audience in Japan definitely does, particularly the nijisanji audience. Besides even if there's no overlap, as a marketing exec you don't want to make a big move like that opposite something like the Olympics if you can at all help it.

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>>6988431
The Nijisanji audience saw better numbers than ever last night while the hololive audience was subpar, so I'd not be so confident about claiming normies watch nijisanji. seems like it's the other way around.

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>>6988431
I don't think many normies watch Olympics games. Only opening and closing ceremony that attracts normie audience

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>>6988314
>Do the audience that watch Hololive even care about the Olympics?
Numbers are only 30 mins in so far from final and it's around noon in Japan, but there might be some effect. Botan usually gets ~10k for TABS and Pekora got 21k playing Shin-chan yesterday in the same time slot. Irys does not seem to be affected, getting 6k+ reading superchats (with occasional singing).

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>>6987405
The debut buff is still going on and while EN gen 1 were still pulling in 5 digit numbers in live viewers in their second week and beyond Irys is already dipping down to 4 before even hitting her third week, that is the clear definition of underperforming

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>>6988077
It's a debuff because they MADE it a debuff. If the girls in HoloEN weren't scattered across multiple timezones and had people who were into the game AND good with sudden collabs, it would be a buff game like it is for JP.
Instead, we have
>Mori, who is absolutely horrible at Minecraft and it's even worse in collab situations
>Kiara, who works well in collabs if she would just fix her sound setting a/voice because she's too loud/screechy
>Ina who works GY NA hours and doesn't stream at the same time as the rest
>Ame, who is a bit of a social recluse and enjoys building solo projects a lot
>Gura, who dislikes Minecraft solo, but also has trouble asking people to collab

It results in the current 'Graveyard' of the EN server. Once they're linked with JP, it should result in a buff to Ina and Kiara the most due to JP speaking ability and willingness to Minecraft for the heck of it.

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The penguin is gonna hit 100k extremely fast compared to the rest of NijiEN. Not even one week since she debuted.

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>>6988605
does not seem to be a problem for nijisanji, only hololive is affected

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>>6988554
That's because it trended above the Olympics and so the audience who would normally be checking out the Olympics to see what's going on went over there instead

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>>6988751
>>6988605
Wait, are Holofags the normalfags and Nijifags are the internet nerds?

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>>6988554
If you mean Leos, he had multiple tags trending with his Youtube video being the first things you see, so of course people clicked it.

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>>6987035
>Playboard's average viewer count only counts the last 15 streams
that's how sponsorships tract viewerships for potential partners, they check the last 10-15 videos taking out any major anomalies like a video going viral or one underperforming and they check the average viewership of the person. It's a reliable way to measure things as you can than have a good idea of their current core viewerbase since the youtube algorithm can cycle out content by bringing in new viewers as well as getting rid of them for something else.

[Anonymous No.]

Gura mogged by the red shark girl

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>>6988801
>>6988834
Are Twitter trends so powerful to attract tourists in Japan?

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>>6988801
>>6988834
Even the APEX debutees performed better than any holo stream last night, none of the nijisanji fanbase cared about the Olympics

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>>6988751
Could just be viewer fatigue then. This is Botan's 5th or 6th streaming of her screwing around in TABS and Shin-chan hype is dead at this point for Hololive. Lain still has a big debut buff, but it's good to see her do as well on her 2nd stream after her lower debut numbers.

>>6988918
Don't look at Gura's debut buffed numbers from last year.

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>>6989000
Nips use twitter like their Facebook so yes.

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>>6980641
I hate numberfags

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>>6988077
For Holo EN:
Kiara: Buff
Ina: Buff/Super Buff depending on content
Ame: Minor Buff
Gura: Minor Buff
Mori: Neutral/Small Debuff

If the girls focused on long-term joint projects, the game would be a big buff for all of them. The problem is that some, like Gura, don't want to touch the game unless their friends are playing too.

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>>6988718
I think Selen is going to pass her eventually, she's an incredible streamer and the Apex buff is gonna take her higher

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>>6989090
>5th or 6th
Haha I wish...

[Anonymous No.]

Fujoprinces are doing so many relays

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>>6981288
Kaichou...

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>>6989189
TABS became Botan's new Trials Rising. And when she's done with TABS, she'll find another game she can play frequently that makes her laugh.

[Anonymous No.]

Chumbuds... I don't feel so good.

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>>6983233
wtf i was watching gura and missed ame's karaoke. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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>>6989201
Their content and viewers actually baffle me, it doesn't look like anything a straight male would watch

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>>6989362
explain

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>>6986017
>Highest viewercount in a full EN collab is 23k
JESAS, the recline is ridiculous. Full gen collabs in JP have been getting 50k minimum, reaching up to 80k in some of them.

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>>6989158
Selen is the most entertaining of the new wave, but she unfortunately got a terrible design.

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>>6989484
HoloEN have no chemistry and the fans are tribal. Adding 1 plus another makes them lose more than they gain.

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>6989138
You don't even get a (you). At least some of us here are trying to be smart about numbers and not numberniggers, and also why you comin' into a NUMBERS thread and bitching about Numbers?!

>>6989338
RIP

>>6988605
There are probably some, but let's be honest, most people will care about Opening+Closing Ceremonies + The finals of the popular sports. Sure other games will get viewers, but those will be from people invested in a given sport + whatever casual viewers.

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>>6989331
Her debut was so fucking awful though.

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>>6989561
I'm surprised EN haven't taken some time to work on that a bit. It's clearly hurting them and it sticks out in a sore thumb when they have the rare collab with JP members. They all come across as far too reserved and unwilling to actually stick their neck out. I think it's because western streamers are just too poisoned with irony actually trying to seem enthusiastic to them is perceived as being cringe, but they really need to start owning it rather than being afraid of it. Confidence is everything in entertainment and the ENs are getting mogged by literal hikki NEET autist Minato Aqua in that department.

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>>6989679
I like the fact she said she scratches her asshole and sniffs her finger. I can relate to that.

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>>6989567
>also why you comin' into a NUMBERS thread and bitching about Numbers
Someone linked this thread in a nijinigger bait thread so go figure.
Incidentally if you think our numberniggers are bad you haven't seen nothing yet.
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>>6989000
What >>6989109 said.
In particular, Nijis utilize twitter much more effectively than Holos despite lower follower numbers. For example, Aqua/Pekora/Fubuki have more followers than Kuzuha, but Kuzuha's random emoji tweets get way more likes. Also, Lulu's graduation tweet almost had more likes than Coco's despite the former having 1/3rd the # of followers, half the subs, and 300k less viewers for their graduation stream.

On the other hand tho, HoloEN tweets do far better than HoloJP and NijiJP tweets. Gura tweets a stupid feet pic and gets 60k likes.
https://twitter.com/gawrgura/status/1413313742218141696
This cursed monstrosity got 87k likes.
https://twitter.com/gawrgura/status/1364805219465445383
This is more than most of HoloJP's 1 mil celebratory tweets.

A couple possible reasons:
- Nijisanji is a "topic" on twitter so you get fed a lot of Niji tweets even if you don't follow them if you look at vtubers. Many Nijis like Kuzuha are topics themselves. Hololive is not a topic and you only get fed Holo tweets through weird topics like "viral tweets" or "youtubers".
- More NijiJP fans use and interact on twitter than HoloJP fans do
- NijiJP may still be more popular amongst the general japanese population (twitter normies) than HoloJP

Twitter numbers don't always reflect in youtube numbers tho so take them with a pinch of salt regardless.

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>>6989484
It was higher than their MC collab numbers back in Dec, though. It's more that HoloEN MC isn't as big of a buff for them as it is for HoloJP

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>>6989467
Utaite with a fujoshi twist, half their individual channels are just skits with small animation, or just dedicated to covers, while the main channel has nearly 1.5 million subs with the same content, as well as game streams. I know men watch Nijimales but this is not average male content which interested me

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>>6989560
Selen with Petra design would be unstoppable

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>>6989734
Oh, I see how it is. I wonder when the scat buff wears off.
>>6989686
I have a lot of respect for Flare in how blunt and forward she can be in collabs. Maybe HoloEN was missing a glue person, not great stats but a lot of intangibles.

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>>6989830
The voice wouldn't fit

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>>6989771
i guess they're not exactly chuubas they're more like a 2d utaite/idol group (although i remember them being in videos/shows where their faces were blurred or hidden, and they also do live shows so maybe semi-2d?). now that you mention it it's true that women seem to like this sort of shit more than some dude playing valorant for 10 hours.

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>>6989748
Are you really going to pretend that an extra 3000 viewers is meaningful when all their subcounts have doubled since that time?

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>>6989484
How is it a recline when they got better numbers yesterday than they did in December 2020? If you're talking about Sept/Oct numbers, that was before the Youtube live viewcount change that suspiciously slaughtered all HoloEN numbers on the same day in December. If you're comparing them to HoloJP, then it's pretty obvious by now that the JP live watching audience for vtubers is much larger than the EN live watching audience.

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>>6990000
>>How is it a recline when they got better numbers yesterday than they did in December 2020?
Checked.
Like this.

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>>6989957
Their live performances are a mix of 3DPD with blurred faces, then your average 3D performance like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bK7lkbLs3s

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>>6990134

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>>6990158
the 3d models a new thing aren't they? i was thinking of stuff like this
https://youtu.be/TuzsrNnh91c
https://youtu.be/8REgmByRJBE

[Anonymous No.]

Current subs for the new Niji JP wave. Will schizos stop pushing the narrative that only males can succeed in Nijisanji now?

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>>6990359
oliverbros how can we save him...

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>>6990134
Anon...

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>>6990403
Apex

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>>6990359
EOP streams

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>>6990403
If he just streams games then he's going to be the lowest out of all of them, and half of his last stream was just him talking about what games he could play.
>>6990359
Schizos will never stop, but some food for thought is that the 3 males who are not Oliver all have shown some sort of skill wheras Lain has just sat there and chatted afaik.

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>>6990429
Looks right to me. Curve gets even sharper if you take into account numbers before december but for some reason EN fags have latched on to a conspiracy theory about Youtube making a change that only hurt Holo EN numbers and no other streamer at all.

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>>6990359
What narrative? Niji females do worse than males in general. Look at the numbers. Mito beats most males but that is just a small part of a whole that suggests Niji females declining.

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>>6990452
not sure anon, chronoir 2 are apex autists and still got outsubbed by scat shark girl and Actual Autist poorfag

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>>6989969
NTA, but if you actually pay attention to incline/declines, then you would know that subgrowth and live viewership are not linear. Most corporate vtubers nowadays get the most live viewers in their debut month from the hype and from that point onwards, it's about retention rather than incline. For example, Matsuri and Korone are still getting a steady stream of subs since December, but their viewership has remained stagnant at best and declined at worst. Pekora has gained a lot of subs since December as well, but her viewership is practically identical. The only holos off the top of my head that have clearly inclined in live viewers are Subaru and Suisei. Having a notable, permanent incline is really really hard.

>>6990134
If you looked at the numbers, that's not what happened. They plateaued since the Dec 2020 viewer change, dipped in March 2021 from everyone playing debuff games, and are slightly inclining again after getting new costumes.

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>>6989679
this make her numbers even more impressive, dont you think?

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>>6990578
Naw, dumbasses fall for fake scuff all the time.

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I remember somebody posted average viewers every month for Niji that debuted last year here

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>>6990548
Mr Autistic is leading the subs though. No playboard to coom over some graphs to yet since their tags haven't been picked up, but he's inclining hard.

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>>6990631
The numbers weren't great. Imagine a full year of 1200-1800 and you have the picture.

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>>6990631
For some reason I can't fucking find it but aside from Meiro who was cut short from her 8k+ incline, everyone hovered below 2/3k for a majority, some even dipping below 1k.

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>>6990684
A couple of the boys inclined into 5k-6k territory by the end of the year.

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>>6990603
>fake scuff
her PC broke literally next day, so she was going to stream in the studio, but it got fixed in time.
But yeah, fake clumsiness is kinda annoying.

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>>6990795
I remember that there are some livers that have a good debut month but declined after that

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Thinking back on how IRyS got 500k in a little over a week and how Petra is leading the pack in subs because of cunny, I wonder how fast another cunny in HoloEN2 would grow in subs.

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>>6990906
I'm thinking that people got bruned by IRyS and HoloEN 2 will be lucky to break 100k before debut. I think they will be a bunch of 3k-7k runts 5 months after debut.

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>>6990906
God I hope Irys's design isn't a sign that Cover is too afraid of backlash to go for a loli design

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>>6990968
Well you're retarded and probably the same guy who keeps trying to use /wvt/ and /asp/ as proof

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>>6991020
HoloEN isn't the bee's knees anymore. I think Cover missed it's chance to win the market for good. IRyS' explosion in numbers and low view count is not a great sign.

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>>6991130
Go ahead, bring up /wyt/ opinion, you know you want to

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>>6991177
What? Why would I? I am just saying the numbers don't favor Cover and they lost territory this year by inaction. HoloEN could have been a monolith beyond all doubt in the west, but it didn't happen.

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>>6991252
When someone says "English speaking vtuber" to a weeb or someone who knows vtubers, they will bring up Hololive.

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>>6991252
He's assuming you're that stupid anon who kept parroting "wyt+asp isn't hot on HoloEN auditions etc".
IMO if Cover had released Gen2 earlier (Coco Graduations no doubt shoved everything back) they definitely would have slammed the door on any competition, at least for the next year or two. NijiEN would have been choked out, and we'd be talking a whole different set of numbers.

That's not the case though, so we can instead speculate how HoloEN2 will do given the circumstances. I'd say they all easily break 200k subs to start, but beyond that debuts + first post debut stream are impossible to predict. I don't think anyone could have predicted that Leos would go for a SGnG endurance challenge and blow up like he did.

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So Pekora is starting her FF7 remake run today. What do you think buff or debuff game?

Leaning towards small buff due to the novelty for her content, but a long dragging jrpg can be a curse for sustained numbers in the coming streams.

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>>6991252
iRys streams right now and i don't think her numbers are bad by any means, but you definitely right in term of Cover losing their momentum without new proper gen of ppl like Selen and etc

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>>6991441
In 2021. Will they in 2023? Seeds planted this year will bear fruit at sometime. Cover lost the initiative and are backtracking. Unless there is a massive HoloEN 2 mogging this won't change.

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>>6991441
Look up pekora. welcome to the rabbit hole!

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>>6991130
>>6991252
>HoloEN isn't the bee's knees anymore.
What is the bee's knees then? Irys has more people watching her read superchats than the 2 NijiENs streaming rn combined.

>IRyS' explosion in numbers and low view count is not a great sign.
Irys's viewcount right now is unstable because she still has her debut buff, but if you've watched a single stream from her you would already know she's not a big live viewer streamer. Subcounts have not been reflective of live viewer counts for a long time. Just look at Matsuri hitting 1 mil subs and struggling to get 5k daily in JP where there are way more vtuber live watchers.

>HoloEN could have been a monolith beyond all doubt in the west, but it didn't happen.
HoloEN is still a monolith in the west, wtf are you smoking? Vshojo and NijiEN can only dream of getting 50k people to watch their streams, which HoloEN can muster for special streams.

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>>6991502
she kinda biuld up narative of her playing FF games + it is popular world wide so i guess it will be buff for sure, but not TOO big

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>>6991566
A HoloEN liver would should be beating all of NijiEN by orders of magnitude if there really was a large gap.

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>>6991566
>debut buff
this is the end of the 2nd week
>unstable numbers
bulshit her numbers was pretty stable ~10k+ for actual games
~6k during supas but this will drop a bit

[Anonymous No.]

Which EN agencies will even be left in a few years after Cover and Anycolor finish carving their empires in the EN VTuber space?

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>>6991502
Long running series are usually debuffs for most vtubers, but if Pekora's Yakuza 7 and FFX playthroughs are anything to go by, she'll be getting her usual 25k+. She actually peaked at 50k and 70k on 2 different FFX streams so FF7R might do better than expected.

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>>6991503
She is reading SC, though. SC reading is always low for Holo or VTubers in general. If anything, she is having better numbers while reading SCs than most Holos with a few exception at their top

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>>6991648
anon, can we stop compare NijiEN and HoloEN at this point, at least in this thread?
cope with the fact that NijiEN vtuber's start up, but with bigger name, budget and advertisment then prisms, kawai, tsunderia etc.

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>>6991889
I just think Cover lost the initiative and let ground be lost. I am predicting it won't be regained.

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>>6991735
If I made it seem like Irys's numbers are bad, then let me clarify, they're not bad. Some people here just expect that since she got 500k subs in 2 weeks, she'll be a consistent 20k+ viewer vtuber.

>this is the end of the 2nd week
I think there's still some novelty, like she won't be getting 6k reading superchats 3 months from now.

>bulshit her numbers was pretty stable ~10k+ for actual games
By unstable, I meant we don't know if she'll continue to get ~10k for most of her games a few months from now. If she does, that means her retention is great, but I feel like she might dip a bit before she reaches her true retention floor.

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>>6991648
But they are beating them. I will admit I don't watch much Hololive and the ones I do watch are never discussed here so all the information I get on their numbers comes from here, but they beat NijiEN in numbers almost everywhere unless it's a time during something like SC reading or a bad time.

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>>6991931
But if HoloEN is as much of a force as people claim there should never be any instance where a NijiEN liver beats a HoloEN liver. They should be at separate orders of magnitude. NijiEN is getting closer and closer. HoloEN has a tall task to buck the trend.

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>>6991858
oh, i didn't mean that her numbers are bad, my point was pretty much opposite. if anything i am impressed that she has ~6k during supa reading.
but can you imagine hype around 3-5 new members with decent design on level of Selen in term of social skills gaming skills?

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>>6992092
Sure, but I think you're overestimating the length that they're being beaten by. It's safe to say a good chunk of NijiEN fans are also Hololive fans. When I watch NijiEN I notice a good amount of HoloEN/JP icons, and usernames that indicate such, even clipper channels are superchatting NijiEN

[Anonymous No.]

Is this "debut buff" thing wearing off faster these days?

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>>6992191
That is just proof of the lost ground and Cover's weakness.

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>>6991919
>ground be lost
in term of JP audience you mb right, but in term of EN they still have high ground in term of whole recognition. ppl can shit on "3kk chuba" as long as they want but this is a lot in term of overall mainstream recognition overseas. and Gura is not the only one. Calli is pretty big "EN Vsinger" with 2 albums and several singles.

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>>6992191
Hololives big strength is that a lot of "cross pollination" goes on between fanbases. Hololive is a self contained ecosystem that lets people follow the ongoing storylines like a soap opera. Nijis are more like traditional streamers and don't really have ongoing storylines of interaction between them like the Holos do.

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>>6992092
>But if HoloEN is as much of a force as people claim there should never be any instance where a NijiEN liver beats a HoloEN liver
Never is a strong word, but I can say with confidence that no NijiEN has ever beaten Gura.
Even the 2nd tier of Ina/Ame/Calli regularly get 5x the viewership, sometimes even 10x.
If we're comparing the weakest HoloEN member in Kiara playing her biggest debuffed game like Atelier losing to the strongest NijiEN member in Elira playing the biggest buff game in NKODICE/Henry Stickmin, then ya NijiEN has won a few times... until Kiara plays Minecraft again and gets 5x NijiEN's numbers.
As long as HoloEN still has 10x as many subs and gets 2x the NijiEN viewers when reading superchats, there's more than enough levels of magnitude to say HoloEN is the monolith.

>That is just proof of the lost ground and Cover's weakness.
This might be news to you, but it's normal to like vtubers from both Hololive and Nijjisanji. As much as tribalists like to think Cover wants to snuff on Anycolor's western presence, the people behind the avatars are friends want to each other to succeed. If you think Cover is being weak now, you're going to lose your mind when Kiara eventually collabs with Pomu in the future.
https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1418380001204965382

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>>6992511
You are saying this because you don't watch Nijisanji but you're wrong.

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>>6992567
The opposite. I'm saying it because I do watch Nijisanji.

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>>6992516
>but it's normal to like vtubers from both Hololive and Nijjisanji
Stop. Lying. No. One. Likes. Both.

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>>6992211
What's the heck with the amount of those weird small bumps?

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>>6992673
? They collab, do fans just turn it off when that happens?

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>>6991929
i didn't want to appeal disrespectful to you.
>still some novelty
true, but im pretty tired of "debut buff" argument.
>unstable
interestingly enough, during those 2 weeks iRys showed herself as very stable and mature person in term of her mentality and personality. + she seems jenuanly motivated and intrested towards games she playing on streams so i do not think we will see big spike(negotive at least) in term of her atitude and behavior.

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>>6992693
YouTube's retardation

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I wish we had pure numbers. Like pure demographics, unique viewers, live viewers including people using ad block. It feels bad to not have a real picture and using head magic to fill gaps.

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>>6992807
We'll never know the viewers minus adblock/those marked as spam. There's a Nijibot that shows the amount of chats in a stream https://twitter.com/2434rankings

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>>6992807
It's frustrating because they have access to all that info...

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>>6992516
Who cares what the streamers think when the corporations are the ones who dictate the strategy, and so far Cover is proving to be extremely terrible at capitalizing on its first mover advantage. It has already lost the JP market and is now losing the EN market, which was the only thing propping up their JP streamers. This is fatal damage from which they'll never recover, they had their one chance and they blew it on a crappy VSinger debut.

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>>6992673
Saying stuff like this only outs you as either a) new or b) a tribalist troll.

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>>6992696
>>6992983
Newfags...

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>>6993079
Sorry I don't pay attention to tribalist memes and commit them to memory.

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>>6993092
but you just did

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>>6992807
The truth is, numberfagging is a niche hobby that not many people care about. The numbers that are actually the most important are sub count, likes, and comments, because those contribute to the algorithm. The meme of youtubers spamming "Like, comment, and subscribe" applies the same way to vtubers on youtube. Peak views, average viewers and VOD views can be used to attract sponsors, but for youtube, subs remain the most important.

[Anonymous No.]

Really looking forward to more of Leos streams. He seems to have potential to be Kuzuha tier even after his debut buff wears off.

[Anonymous No.]

Bully panda pulling some numeros streaming baseball.
If some graphanon wants to trawl through all these Koshien tagged streams to figure out what sort of numbers they get feel free to. This is a list of basically every stream tagged Nijikoshien
https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3A2434rankings%20%E3%81%AB%E3%81%98%E3%81%95%E3%82%93%E3%81%98%E7%94%B2%E5%AD%90%E5%9C%92&src=typed_query

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>>6992931
>Who cares what the streamers think when the corporations are the ones who dictate the strategy
If you knew anything about Anycolor or Cover, then you would know what the streamer does is decided by the streamer, not the company. Cover isn't the one scheduling collabs or what games they play, they only approve/reject them after the streamer brings it up. The only thing resembling strategy that Cover controls would be merch and sponsorships.

>so far Cover is proving to be extremely terrible at capitalizing on its first mover advantage.
Again, all of HoloEN except Irys is past 1 mil subs, and consistently gets multiples of NijiEN's viewership. You still haven't provided any convincing arguments for why HoloEN isn't a monolith in the west when the reasons for are obvious.

> It has already lost the JP market and is now losing the EN market, which was the only thing propping up their JP streamers.
Yes, Pekora and Marine's dominant viewers during primetime are all EOPs watching from burgerland at 4am EST/7am EST. All those japanese comments in their chats aren't real. JPs don't watch HoloJP. Do you realize how ignorant you sound?

>This is fatal damage from which they'll never recover, they had their one chance and they blew it on a crappy VSinger debut.
>crappy Vsinger debut
>300k subs pre-debut and 500k subs after 2 weeks
>30k more viewers tuned into her debut than the highest HoloEN1 debut, which got 1.2 mil VOD views in 2 days
Please stop embarrassing yourself

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>>6992931
>Who cares what the streamers think when the corporations are the ones who dictate the strategy
If you knew anything about Anycolor or Cover, then you would know what the streamer does is decided by the streamer, not the company. Cover isn't the one scheduling collabs or what games they play, they only approve/reject them after the streamer brings it up. Even 3D concerts and special events are organized by the talents. The only thing resembling strategy that Cover controls would be debuts, merch and sponsorships.

>so far Cover is proving to be extremely terrible at capitalizing on its first mover advantage.
Again, all of HoloEN except Irys is past 1 mil subs, and consistently gets multiples of NijiEN's viewership. You still haven't provided any convincing arguments for why HoloEN isn't a monolith in the west when the reasons for are obvious.

> It has already lost the JP market and is now losing the EN market, which was the only thing propping up their JP streamers.
Yes, Pekora and Marine's dominant live viewer numbers during JP primetime are all EOPs watching from burgerland at 4am EST/7am EST. All those japanese comments in their chats aren't real. JPs don't watch HoloJP. Do you realize how ignorant you sound?

>This is fatal damage from which they'll never recover, they had their one chance and they blew it on a crappy VSinger debut.
>crappy Vsinger debut
>300k subs pre-debut and 500k subs after 2 weeks
>30k more viewers tuned into her debut than the highest HoloEN1 debut, which got 1.2 mil VOD views in 2 days
Please stop embarrassing yourself

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>>6992092
Why are you comparing HoloEN with NijiEN when Vshoujo mogs NijiEN daily?

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>>6993743
>Cover controls debuts
Guess what they just fucked up by not having any decent JP livers since gen 4 and surrendering the entire EN market with Irys, the trend of other livers inclining at holoEN's expense is clear.
>Pekora and Marine's dominant live viewer numbers
Pekora is 60% overseas viewers, take that away and she would struggle to break 10k same goes for the rest of hololive, their Japanese numbers are terrible in comparison to nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe the reason for Hololive's recent decline lies in the loss of reddit meme reviews. They had quite a lot of people tuning in for those and they aren't getting pandered to anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

Less than 5 hours left before Oga's 3D debut stream
Predictions on peak live viewers and superchat earnings?
Personal predictions are 10k-15k for live viewers and 8k-13k for superchats

[Anonymous No.]

This is the worst numbers thread I have ever seen. Little to no actual numbers. Vague doomposting. No intelligent understanding of debut buffs and history. No understanding of the difference between jp vtubers and western ones.

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>>6994014
That's not a youtube statistic you fucking retard. Pekora has 10% EOPs max in viewers

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>>6993743
irys is kind of a flop i think. you should check out the views on her songs. for a long awaited vsinger debut, i thought 1m/week would be pretty reasonable to expect.

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>>6994374
Based on? At least that anon posted stats. You're just pulling that from your ass.

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>>6994014
A online survey that was shared around on western twitter prior to it being counted is not the most reliable source. I take that 60% percent with a grain of salt ,that said there is no doubt that hololive's now japan viewers is a nice buff for the over nijisanji. It's just not as high as half.

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>>6994427
Based on
Pekora's chat being 90% japanese text.

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>>6994014
Subaru made a similar poll for her members and only 8% of her viewers weren't Japanese.

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>>6994269
I'd say that's a good estimate, everyone loves Oga but no one really shows up to his streams on the same level as Shiens and he got 13k USD/1.4mil yen. Not sure who will show up, I feel like Shien is a shoe-in so his fans will show up.
>>6994014
This is a poor indication and just people who answered the poll, we will never see the true number unless she releases it.
>>6994443
Another poor indication because any EOP can type kawaii kusa yabe with their phone and have it be typed in Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6994442
non-Japanese *

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>>6994014
>Pekora is 60% overseas viewers
60% of the people who took part of a troll ass poll put that they're from overseas* FTFY
Only Pekora knows the geographic breakdown of her viewers and after the taiwan yab, Holos will never do a breakdown on stream again. I'm not even denying that she might have a significant overseas fanbase, she has 1.6 mil subs afterall. But her JP popularity is obvious from a quick look at her chat, twitter impressions, JP booth numbers, amount of fanart from JP artists...etc.

>same goes for the rest of hololive
How retarded are you to draw conclusions from a troll poll and then conflate Pekora's results to every Holo? jfc

>their Japanese numbers are terrible in comparison to nijisanji.
It's fucking adorable that you think Nijisanji's average is 10k when literally less than 10 of their livers can consistently get more than 10k.

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>>6994465
They'd have to have JP keyboard installed and most EOPs are absolute retards that spam chat with english shit. I doubt 15k of Pekora's viewers all use japanese to post in her chat.

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>>6994443
From what I've seen on hiyoko while chat analysis still worked only 5-15% of viewers actually use it.

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>>6994314
Honestly, as bad as this thread is, I still prefer it over the ones when tribalists take over and blatantly spread lies about Niji/Holos

[Anonymous No.]

>>6994567
Spoke too soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6994374
>>6994427
You can gauge the audience demographic from streams with +$10k SC.
15% of Pekora donations are non-JP.

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>>6994509
>installed
It comes for free. If you're a weeb you most likely have it. And anyway, indicators of who is typing what chat is also extremely unstable because not everyone who is watching is even typing.

[Anonymous No.]

Pecucks... don't look

[Anonymous No.]

>>6994590
>If you're a weeb you most likely have it
Big assumption.

>indicators of who is typing what chat is also extremely unstable because not everyone who is watching is even typing
So why would you think that the chat is being actively not spammed by foreigners when every indication in the world we have is that non-japanese spam chats like crazy in every stream they watch? Pekora's, Subaru's, Marine's happen to be well behaved?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6994443
This is an even worse indication. Not all watchers type in chat.
And it's very easy to just type こんにちは, 草, かわいい, たずかる, お疲れ様でした even if you understand nothing else

[Anonymous No.]

>>6994465
Fubuki might show up and she might bring a decent boost to Oga's stream. But ya 10-15k is my guess too.

>Another poor indication because any EOP can type kawaii kusa yabe with their phone and have it be typed in Japanese.
Honestly, it's more likely that EOPs straight up won't be commenting in chat unless Pekora speaks english or something. I think it's just ridiculous to believe Pekora has a lot of EOPs watching her live when her primetime streams take place during 4am PST/7am EST. Her overseas live viewers are more likely to be SEA or chinese using VPNs than NA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6994589
So you're assuming that people who never use chat/donate don't count as fans?

[Anonymous No.]

>>6994695
It is easy, but that doesn't mean people will even bother to do even that.

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>>6994465
>Not sure who will show up
Rikka, Astel, Temma, and Izuru are all competing in the Cypher Cup later at 1800JST and the final match is definitely going to overlap with Oga's 3D debut so they're ineligible for appearances
Assuming Shien is the 3D guest (thereby fulfilling the baton pass guest theory), that only leaves Aruran, Miyabi, and Roberu as the candidates for call-ins
Technically Fubuki can also be a possible call-in but considering the recent chink spam against her, I'd doubt she'd want to risk exposing Oga's 3D debut to that sort of thing

[Anonymous No.]

The EOP slant really comes in when you consider the monstrous VOD views, which often happens with big holomems. Kanae and Kuzuha have amazing VOD views but outside of them I can't think of any other Niji that does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6994725
Yeah because not everyone bothers to chat. A lot of people just lurk

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>>6994667
Well, you can take a look at 2434rankings and see that sometimes the number of chat messages range from double the live viewers to 10x to 100x, it depends. Sometimes people spam sometimes they don't
>>6994712
Fubuki is not showing up, she has a collab. Also I feel like it would bring Oga endless hate despite everyone knowing FOXDEMON collab a lot, plus Fubuki is suffering from antis and she wouldn't want them to come over to Oga with his low average viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6994314
It's one retarded dude that people can't resist giving (you)s..

[Anonymous No.]

>>6994758
Mito? She doesn't stream as often as them so stats wise she might come off as less popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6994765
But foreigners do not follow Japanese streaming and chatting culture at all. They're more likely to start being boorish idiots then reserved lurkers, that is the main reason Nijifans don't want them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>6994833
Numbers doko?

[Anonymous No.]

https://web.archive.org/web/20210607173323/https://2434analytics.com/chart/video/zWtdaG1hAew.html
Fuwa MInato 3D
144,128 viewers
19,880 people used chat
4,055 people sent superchats

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>>6994425
Saying her music is a flop at this point in time is just asking to get btfo, she still has 3 more covers to release in a row. Better to wait and see how they all turn out first.
Although as of right now, even Kiara's music is performing considerably far above anything Irys has released. (On Youtube at least)

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>>6994758
Kuzuha obviously has amazing daily numbers, but I think his high VOD views are more likely due to maintaining ~20-30k viewers for 12 hour streams, rather than fans catching the VODs after. Ofc there are exceptions like his Among Us streams with celebs and some Apex tournament streams, where his CCV was like 50k+ so there were high VOD views even with lower hours. But from just a quick glance at his numbers, most of his highest viewed VODs are ones where he averages 25k+ for 12 hours.

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>>6994014
Not saying that she doesn't have a large non Japanese fan base, but that is a twitter survey she put up herself, lots of potential bias points. Only way to know exact ratios would be through Youtube demographics.Which Cover will never allow their talent to do again after the Taiwan drama.

But for the sake of argument, let's say that is true on the basis on twitter followers. She currently has 900k followers on twitter, so 360k Japanease by that assumption.
We have no idea of the ratios for lets say Kuzuha, but he has at this time 670 k followers and lets assume a favourable ratio of 90 % Japanease 10 % Overseas. Why this ratio? Well limited outreach towards non nips, primarily streams Apex, both are filters in a way.

With these numbers and Kuzuha's nip fanbase is 67.5 % larger then Pekora's. But let's for the sake of argument assume there is some bias in the poll, let's swap the ratios, 40 % overseas, 60 % Japanese. Kuzuha's Japanese fanbase would still be bigger by ~12 %. But that is also assuming a relatively restrictive ratio for Kuzuha.

This all boils down to, that poll shows some indication, but as a single data point it shouldn't be used to say anything as a definite truth. Both Pekora's and Kuzuha's ratios might be more leaning towards Japanese then the poll and my assumption, which falls back to the statement that without real numbers from Youtube or Twitter we don't know the demographics ratios.

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>>6994719
Tourists are not fans.
If you follow a chuuba long enough, then you should be able to read her reactions regardless of the language barrier.
Follow them long enough and you'll know how to give them your supports.
Pekora is a professional streamer, who knows how to nurture and shape her audience, so it's not far-fetched to use 10% of nousagis that donate as samples.
What's your definition of fans, anon?

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>>6994314
>This is the worst numbers thread I have ever seen.
Did you prefer tribalwars with who has the biggest dick and proceed to bash each other head with it?

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>>6994901
For a smaller example - nkodice collab.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210613070046/https://2434analytics.com/chart/video/w140GDq-rLA.html
45,339 viewers
7,892 people used chat
220 sent superchat

Ok, that's more than 15%. Still means that the posts about Pekora's audience ignore 70-80% of viewers.

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>>6994931
i mean, it would be good to be btfo in this case. she's a nice girl and i'd like her to be more successful and hopefully less ugly in the future. it's just, you'd expect it to go better for a holoen vsinger on youtube. at least that's what i thought.
you're right about the next covers, since it'll probably be more popular songs. still it's unfortunate because inochi is a good song.

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>>6995105
Thanks for digging through the numbers, but this is honestly a pointless discussion because of how many assumptions and speculations needed to reach a conclusion. We will never know the actual breakdown of a vtuber's audience, whether it be nationality or gender. And even if we are able to find out, the original discussion was about marketshare and popularity in JP, which we definitely have no way to actually know.

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>>6995184
Exactly. That's why I hate the fag at note who's analysing Hololive's chats/superchats and making assumptions about their whole audience. Because it's just a small part of that, 1/4 at the very best.

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>>6995105
Still spotty, we have no way of knowing if the portion of people who use chat are a different demographic than everyone else and we don't have actual data on a Pekora stream. Some say that people who chat are more likely to be Japanese since it is more welcoming to them and others say that due to non-Japanese abhorrent way of spamming chats they are more likely to do so in every stream. There is no way to actually know.

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>>6995031
Not sure which type of threads are worse,
- Holofags proclaiming that Niji is dead after a day where Holos dominate
- Holofags coping hard when Niji gets big numbers during their big events
- falseflagging Nijifags shit up the thread by doomposting about Holo's "decline"

t. holofag that's just tired at this point

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>>6995287
You have to establish why the people who use chat don't represent the rest of the viewers. In stats having date on 20% on any group is more than enough.

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>>6995184
At least the Pekora's survey is as official as it can get

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>>6995295
Isn't there a way to analyse how many people used chats in her latest stream(s)? Just used that and compare to peak viewers. Not that hard readily.

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>>6995312
As a browser of the numbers threads, I left after Vnuma exploding caused even worse shitflinging but compared to the past this thread is calmer. Maybe getting some more perspectives and tools is going to fare well for /#/ in the future
>>6995337
A twitter poll is not official, vtubers discussing their viewer metrics is. It happens, but I can see how right now Hololive will not touch that with a 10 foot pole.

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>>6995323
Because the discussion was about the amount of non-Japanese people among viewers.

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>>6995323
My assumption is lurkers are more likely EOPs because they don't really understand what's happening and thus don't know what to chat in the first place. Easier to stay quiet than look stupid

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>>6982371
How do Marine and Pekora keep inclining? Why is Gura barely crawling despite THREE MIRRION

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>>6995363
>A twitter poll is not official
Now this is what I call cope, it came from Pekora and post on her channel, not some headcanon from this thread

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>>6995376
EOPs don't care too much about looking like retards. That is why I am glad nijisanji didn't catch on with a lot of them.

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>>6995451
I agree. Pekora knows her real audience demographics and the fact is she posted the results of that poll with no comments like "it's totally inaccurate" or something

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>>6995337
A twitter poll asking where your fans are from is extremely spotty and in no way answers the question "How many of my live viewers are from JP?"

Pekora has 1.61M subs so let's just say she has 1.61M fans. Can I believe that 60% of those 1.61M (~966k) fans are overseas? Sure, but that doesn't mean 60% of her 30k live viewers are overseas. It honestly won't surprise me if like 500k of her subs are EOPs who have never watched a Pekora livestream, but subbed to her because they liked watching Pekora clips. Literally 90% of her fanbase doesn't watch her livestreams and this applies to every vtuber unless you're a 20 sub vtuber with 10 viewers.

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>>6995451
Yes, because all of her viewers voted on it right?

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with the niji new gen debut, coco graduation, and koshien, median views ranking is going to be interesting this month. here's last month's pre-koshien 2020.

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>>6995451
>>6995489
The stream where she went through the results was a joke stream. The punchline of the stream was the "What was your first impression of Pekora?" and "What is your current impression of Pekora?" and the most voted answer was "Comedian" instead of "idol". Like other anons have said previously, at most the poll shows that 60% of fans who did the poll said they were overseas.

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Looks like Pecucks took my advice to heart and ignored it indeed, but the rest of you can look: >>6994644
Kuzuha is definitely more popular than her there. 60% Kuzuha vs 40% Pekora over the course of an year.

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>>6995492
until she says another information about her view demographic, anything you post will be head canon cope

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>>6995489
https://pastebin.com/s33UnbFY
>Roughly 10,000 answered the survey and to her surprise there were a lot of Kaigainousagi.

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>>6995538
and heres koshien 2020 training arc. it was pure niji domination daily.

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>>6995560
Just because you clicked the first thing in his fa tag doesn't mean anyone is going to believe you're an actual Kuzuha fan you fucking ESL

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>>6995560
incoming another cope rant

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>>6995564
So you're basing all demographics on a sample size of 1 % subscribers or 2 % of twitter followers ?

As mentioned here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdmYDCYuizs

Answers to the survey was 16000.

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>>6995312
is just the influx of newfags from nijis debuts
they will fuck off next week out of boredom

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>>6995703
>Answers to the survey was 16000
so half of her live view? that is enough sample

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>>6995538
How nice, we can compare holo median views from July 2020 with July 2021 using >>6981288

Some, like Aqua and Coco, are obviously skewed in 2021 due to lack of streams and this is before the Dec 2020 youtube viewcount change. But there are some interesting observations.

- Pekora and Marine maintained almost exactly the same number of avg median viewers despite their subcounts ballooning. Inclining is hard when you're already at the top.
- Subaru, Suisei, Kanata, Rushia, and Miko have inclined quite noticeably since July 2020
- Ayame streamed just as little in July 2020 as she did in July 2021

>>6995582
From what I remember, Nijibaseball numbers look pretty much the same, which some boosts here and there.
Kagami and Ange got ~50k. Deron got ~30k again. Saku got ~30k today. That one girl who had the least subs got like ~27k. Kuzuha hasn't streamed yet IIRC, but I'm guessing something ridiculous like 70-80k.

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>>6983741
nice copium

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i think poeple are oberhypping both the new niji batch like with irys
they will drop to sub10k in 2 weeks or less.

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>>6996212
I feel like Leos has potential to overcome that. His clips are easily getting over 100k views.
https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/%E3%83%AC%E3%82%AA%E3%82%B9%E3%83%B4%E3%82%A3%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BB%E3%83%B3%E3%83%88

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>>6996306
Depends on if he's a one trick pony. Doing a endurance "speed running" stream is a novel thing with the current content. If he hashes out the same thing over and over will it work as well as for example only pumping Apex?

Unless everyone just loves him for his Asmongold personality, pissing a bottle and all.

Any more info on who he was, because just comparing his gameplay vs listed runner he doesn't come off as a previous listed runner.

Will be interesting following how he develops in the coming weeks.

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>>6996399
Even if he is a one trick pony he's weird enough that people will watch. He said he would spend 30 hours max on GnG so don't worry. As for if people will watch, a ton are already endeared to his weirdness, so it seems like he could carry while playing anything the same way Kuzuha does when he boots up whatever game (for different reasons of course)
There's no info on who he is. Apex boys got doxed and Lain has some speculation but Oliver and Leos are mysteries.

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>>6996306
i agree with
>>6996399
it really depends on his content next weeks, if its only old game speed runs then it will decline hard. not even korone can get over 20k on some realy obscure shit.
i would also point that the numbers on his latest stream even now means people arent bothering in coming back to finish, but i do agree he can be one of the most popular nijis but wont beat kuzuha

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>>6996607
>i would also point that the numbers on his latest stream even now means people arent bothering in coming back to finish
with this i mean going back to the archive

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>>6996607
I'm not comparing his numbers to Kuzuha, just saying that he seems like the type to be able to keep consistent views no matter what he's playing because of his strange personality the same way people will watch Kuzuha do anything because he's a little shithead. But yes, if he plays games that filter people they won't watch. However, GnG is beloved in Japan so it doesn't actually filter them.
Leos's crazy views are due to everyone talking about him and drawing in a shit ton of on-lookers. Someone who sees exercise ball trending and clicks on this guy's stream isn't going to come back to watch the rest of his endurance.

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OH NO NO NO NO HOLOFAGS

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>having to celebrate every time your oshit playing their best game tops pekora playing random games
pathetic

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>>6995788
https://twitter.com/Vamp_Kuzu/status/1418851886787088395
Well he's streaming it soon so we will see.

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This "debut buff" stuff was never really a thing for NijiEN. Look at how many viewers one of Pomu's first streams got: https://playboard.co/en/video/FgoO57-TGkM She gets way more on average now.

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>>6990359
>Nijis gets 100k subs on debut
They deserve it because they are talented
>Holos get 300k subs on debut
These whores don't deserve this shit, they're only carried by the brand name

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https://twitter.com/aichan_nel/status/1418511307112796163

Pretty rare Kizuna AI game livestream today. Numbers will likely not compete with Nijis and Holos tho.

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Have vtubers really killed and devoured anime?

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>>6992092
There is no such thing as never - they will be beat eventually. Even Pewdiepie regularly gets beat in terms of VOD views despite being one of the most subbed channels

The issue here is that you assume that Holo being beat once = instantly reclining; this isn't nor will ever be the case. HoloEN still consistently beats NijiEN; just because Niji can eventually get more viewers than a low tier like Kiara doesn't mean it automatically "beats" them.

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>>6997052
>that /jp/ decrease
LOL. It also looks like /a/ is returning to its average instead of being cannibalized by /vt/.

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>>6996977
Pomu and NijiEN's numbers in their 3rd, 4th streams were hovering around 1k, so ya they didn't get much of a debut buff at all. The stream you mentioned is kind of a debuff game too imo. If you look at NijiEN's numbers now, they get 3-4k if it's a buff game, mid 2k if it's normal game, and low 1k if it's a debuff game or clashing with other NijiENs/HoloENs. There's definitely an incline, but I wouldn't say they're at VShojo's level yet in the west. Hard to say if NijiEN2 is getting a debut buff or not tho, since many of them are already jumping over Pomu and Finana and getting Elira's numbers rn.

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>>6996977
I believe, term "debut buff" was originally addressed towards subscriber count increase. And NijiEN 2 demonstrated pretty good increase in only 2 months between en1 and en2.

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>>6994425
>Irys is a flop
>ranked high in Itunes for 2 weeks
Anon-chama...

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>>6997215
Dude, you really believe she was ranked that high because she is great? I am sorry to say, but that's not the case. The only reason is her being part of hololive + 'Vsinger' hype.

But it looks like her 'Vsinger' hype is gone now and we'll see if she ever again get this high ranked.

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>>6997281
There is no way to determine the reason someone bought her song, this is retarded and not NUMERICAL

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>>6996992
Nijisanji still didn't reach a level of 100k subs on debut, so it's too early to discuss that.

But yeah, it's pretty obvious that hololive got their popularity almost without putting any work.

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>>6993357
How is she pulling 37k? Was Panda always this popular?

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>>6997301
Didn't I just said the reason? Or you actually believe that she got so high just by some miracle?

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>>6997367
Nijibaseball buff.
35k is a decent buff, but Kagami and Ange got 50k from the same buff a few days ago.

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>>6997367
She is participating in highly popular nijisanji event that will last almost entire summer with a grand finale with possible over 200k viewers.

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>>6997336
I'm just calling out the absolute hypocrisy. Both companies get debut subs/buff but somehow only Holo doesn't deserve it.

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>>6997367
Baseball game and part of the current Baseball arc.

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>>6996992
>Nijis gets 100k subs on debut
>Holos get 300k subs on debut
These whores don't deserve this shit, they're only carried by the brand name

>Nijis gets 100k subs on debut
>Holos get 300k subs on debut
They deserve it because they are talented

The only difference is tribalism and number of subs depending on your branding.

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>>6997379
>>6997397
>>6997401
Niji really is for normalfags isn't it. Baseball? Really?

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>>6997170
meh outside petra they all seem to be going sub 2k in most of their videos with selene apex being the anomaly rather than the rule. i think they are sharing the already existing viewerbase. Rose is in a swamp right now and pomu even with colobas with melody and pika couldnt even break 2.5k.
i say they as regular niji are incling but slowly reeeaaaaalllyy slowly.

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>>6997416
It's a videogame featuring characters modeled after Nijisanji livers.

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>>6997416
nah, is just HEAVILY advertised. Actually ads running and shit on japan.
It makes me wonder why hololive neevr tried ads

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>>6997456
Hololive has ads.

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>These NijiEN numbers

Sad

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>>6997281
>>6997376
>Dude, you really believe she was ranked that high because she is great?
Why are we talking about subjective things like quality in this thread? It's a numbers thread.
I do love it tho whenever something popular becomes successful, you people default to it can't be because of the quality.

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>>6997479
He means Cover paying for ads to advertise events by their talents.

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>>6997416
It's not new, they did it last year already and it was a huge success. Japs love baseball and Nijisanji has done big sponsorships with actual JP baseball teams.

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Crazy Raccoon Cup 6 was yesterday. Official mildom numbers are hard to come by so I have these 2 snapshots from around the time of peak interest, first from crazy racoon cup 5 (2021-05-15) and the second for cr cup 6 (2021-07-23) . As i watched both live, the actual peak number were close to 250k for cr cup 5 and 170k for cr cup 6. That would be when all other streams are finished streaming and everyone goes to the main stream on mildom for the results.

While there could be many reasons for much lower peak numbers this time. This cr cup was on a public holiday during the Olympics instead of a weekend like normal for instance. I personally would say the most likely reason for the lack of views is because going into the final round one team had already racked up enough points to win. That gave people less of a reason to tune in for the results. The results also took very long to be added up, over half an hour. Views dropped off fast. The production was a mess.

For Cr cup 6 in vtuber related numbers. Kuzuha and Hal both did really great in numbers as usual but even better this time around, they were on the same team and actually really successful. After those 2 the top individual live view ranking of vtubers go :Chihiro, Kanae, Petit, Towa, Hoshikawa, Noah , Met. With the rest of the vtubers not reaching 5k live viewers.
Cr Cup individual live views are very much effected by perform on the day , so take that into consideration.

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Gotta give it to Nijisanji, people were mogging them for suppressing NijiEN2 so much but it really worked towards NIjiJP2021 wave being a super attracter for crowds.
NijiEN bringing in some EoPs, Niji Baseball attracting all the tourists and publicity for a full month -> Niji2021 all have 20k-80k live viewers all week.

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>>6997399
Why are you so dense?
Ok, I'll explain with simple terms.

Where does sub buff/boost come from? That's right, from the total popularity of the agency.
How did nijisanji got their popularity?
By being a visionary - creating an industry of virtual streamers.
By being a vanguard in vtuber entertainment, providing the best collabs and virtual events in industry.

How did hololive got their popularity?
By following nijisanji's footsteps and literally copying them.
After they failed to do so, they tried to find a harbor among chinese fans.
Chinese fans referred Hololive by latin lettered 'hololive', which in combination with a keyword 'vtuber' helped to make youtube algorithm think that vtuber = hololive. That lead to a unfair bias in youtube algorithm and rapid growth of hololive's western audience. Then many youtubers start getting interested in vtubers, and because of biased youtube algorithm, they too thought that vtuber = hololive. After regular youtubers, there was a turn for anitubers. Literally all anitubers started advertising hololive. And this is about the time, hololive announced their EN branch.

I guess, the difference is pretty obvious.

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>>6997618
>Niji2021 all have 20k-80k live viewers all week.
i would say 10-30k
i doubt most outside leo will be able to retairn the newcomers.

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>>6997662
I shall name you keklord from now on.

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>>6997500
The only stream for Koshien that gets ads is the main streams, the team captains are not getting their streams advertised. No normalfag is going to watch Sasaki Saku make her Nijisanji team in Powapro

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>>6997399
Before their debut, niji guys only have around 17-20k sub, all of their subs come from after debut unlike the fast food branch hololive

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>>6997662
Is this the legendary nijicope?

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>>6997491
I think, that it's you who assumes quality.

Because all I said that Holives NUMBERS transfered to her RANKING NUMBERS.

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>>6997662
Nijikeks live in a state of perpetual seeth

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>>6997456
>advertised
post ads then

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>>6997692
Over 50% of Irys' sub happened after her debut.

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>>6997581
Thanks for posting CR numbers, no one in the thread yesterday mentioned it.

I am curious about a few things. You mentioned the views spiked in the end when everyone went on Mildom to check the results. Does that mean during the majority of the stream it was far below the 170k peak? I remember something similar happening to NijiApex when it averaged around 50-60k viewers and spiked to 99k at the end when everyone ended their streams.

>Kuzuha and Hal both did really great in numbers as usual but even better this time around, they were on the same team and actually really successful.
IIRC Kuzuha got around a 40k peak and Hal was around 25k most of the time. I must've missed CR5 since I remember seeing Kuzuha got 50k+ for a CR cup tournament before in the past. Honestly, it seems like him and Chihiro the only who gets a significant buff during these tournaments. Towa basically got around the numbers she usually gets for Apex.

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>>6997581
I think the fact that a lot of people are being pissed off at Apex more and more also contributed. This cup will just hurt their numbers if they can't get point assignments done correctly. Kuzuha and Hal were a POV a lot of people wanted to watch because of Kuzuha's trolling as well

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>>6997747
over 80% of nijiJP's sub happened after their debut

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>>6997662
Are you still living in 2019? Because most of those arguments don't apply anymore.
Nijisanji hasn't been an exciting visionary for a long time, at most you can say their 3D events are a cool ride, otherwise, they're still doing the same things they've been doing since late 2019 and on the EN side just copying what other EN agencies were copying from Holo.

btw, the romanji Hololive thing is very minor, you can attribute way more of Holo's international popularity to
Coco joining - 30% of her chat was english even on debut
People misspelling Corona as Korone 5 million times in April
This on top of all the actual known reasons like Asacoco and Scatman

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>>6997683
Yes please

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>>6997399
This was already predicted by Nijisanji's CEO. Hololive's growth is forced and that is why they get a lot of fickle overseas tourists buffing their numbers, now you are seeing the decline whereas Nijisanji have slowly built up their growth organically over the past year and have a stable fanbase who will support them in Japan. They're repeating the same tactic in the EN market now and it'll bear fruit by next year while HoloEN continues to decline.

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>>6997751
All of Nijisanji from middle range to top tier get buff by CR cup, Petit, Kanae etc

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>>6997770
It's still doesn't change the fact that you were wrong.

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>>6997662
You aren't a real Nijifan. Real Nijifans don't hang out in number threads LOL.

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>>6997693
No, the real one is still not found

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>>6997701
Not really, that was just an explanation, just like he asked.

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>6997802
>Forcefully acquire fans
i never seen such a stupid concept beofre but is expected from Riku.

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>>6997817
I actually like number threads because I like numbers, but hate the tribalistic shitflinging it inspires, and kind of regret posting images because they get paraded around the catalog for more shitposting
I'm still going to post in here, because it's worth it to have an introspection of OTHER COMPANY when people compare their numbers.

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>>6997693
I only seeing holocope for two days straight since the debit of new nijiJP now

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>>6997802
Let's stop this stupid tribalism, members from both companies said they want to build a steady fanbase and would prefer that to high numbers, there are others who like the numbersgame but most don't make it public.
And both companies benefit from bit events that get attention and then fizzle out, just look at how little viewer retention Maimoto or Deron have towards their normal streams.
Memes and events will keep bringing in new people though, and some of them will stick around.

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>>6997838
>stupid concept
Except hololive was wrong and he was right, the new Niji wave is performing better than any recent holo debuts and they did it by letting their livers do whatever they want, without forcing them to make pandering content just for numbers.

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>>6997802
>HoloEN continues to decline

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>>6997882
i wish i could block your ip from ever showing up and shitting down the thread

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>>6997867
>members from both companies
No matter what the streamers say, the difference in management policy between Nijisanji and Hololive is clear. Nijisanji lets you do whatever you want and grows their brand organically, Hololive makes you participate in events designed to attract the overseas fanbase and do pandering streams for the sake of getting bigger numbers faster. One approach is sustainable in the long run, the other is a cancer in the industry that'll fall apart soon.

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>>6997802
What does he mean with "forcefully acquire fans"?

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>>6997935
Why are you here in 4chan? Were you banned from 5ch or 2ch?

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>>6997867
Tribalism will sadly continue. The only way out would be if the tribalfags started necking themselves out of consideration for the good of humanity. But I doubt they have the mental capacity for that.

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>>6997838
japanese autism comes in many forms.This is the same person running ads for NijiEN.
i think she understand that somethings changed in the end or his view needed some adjustment.
Also has anyone comapred black out to lazulights?

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>>6997905
LMAO Nijikeks where are you?

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>>6988428
>>6989149
I think you overrate how much of a buff it is to Kiara by comparing to the JRPG numbers which are massive debuffs.
When you compare it to one off streams at the European evening slot ala Kuukiyomi it isn't that much of an increase

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>>6997802
Kek Hololive is not the one who keeps pumping ads trying to capture tourists hoping they could be fans. They also didn't need to but a Twitter trend to stay relevant in social meds and aren't the type to mass produce merch. Niji's business model is literally pumping out liver hoping that they could fill a specific niche/gimmick and land some fans then cash in from 3D debuts and merch. It's a quick milking strategy, pumping livers for them is cheap since they don't pay a salary and their designs/rig are made cheap by their own artists or freelance artist. Forcefully acquire fans my ass.

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>>6997788
>Are you still living in 2019? Because most of those arguments don't apply anymore.
I explained why hololive boosts are not deserved.
Boosts ONLY depend on the past popularity. Do you see the connection? Past? 2019? If not, you are an idiot.
In fact, I was talking about the very end of 2019 and beginning of 2020.

>Nijisanji hasn't been an exciting visionary for a long time
The same thing.

>Coco joining - 30%
Looks like you don't belong to thins thread. If you look through a tools like Google Trends, you'll see that all she did is a little bump in a graph for a week and then everything returned back to normal. The real part coco brought is about 0% - 1%

>People misspelling Corona as Korone 5 million times in April
Happened already after vtuber algorithm explosion.

>This on top of all the actual known reasons like Asacoco and Scatman
About scatman and similar clips: At first there were almost no views for these clips. They exploded only due to youtube algorithm explosion I was talking about earlier.
About Asacoco: nothing special about it. Originally intended for jp audience only. Gathered a good amount of jp viewers who wanted to see a weird foreign vtuber.

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>>6997751
During the actually tournament when other povs were up the mildom numbers were approx 80k

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>>6997802
I can't tell if you're a falseflagger or delusional. I guess that's the beauty of it, but fuck I can't resist the bait.

The sheer irony of talking about developing a Nijiculture of a stable fanbase, when the current culture for Nijifans is to not watch the daily streams of Nijis not called Kuzuha and Kanae and only tune in when there's a big event.

>Hololive's growth is forced and that is why they get a lot of fickle overseas tourists buffing their numbers, now you are seeing the decline whereas Nijisanji have slowly built up their growth organically over the past year and have a stable fanbase who will support them in Japan.
What decline? HoloJP numbers are better than ever before right now. Sub growths are faster than they were last year and you can even compare Holo median views in this thread between July 2020 and July 2021 and see the incline for yourself.

> They're repeating the same tactic in the EN market now and it'll bear fruit by next year while HoloEN continues to decline.
I love the NijiEN girls and I wish them success but just HAHA

>>6997867
Admirable attempt anon, but this thread is doomed. The retardation has gone too far and now the tribalistic Holofags are going to come out in droves and shit up the thread even more.

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>>6997952
in the future there will come a vtuber company so black that they literally kidnap Chinese children to increase viewership

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>>6997952
they kidnap viewers obviously

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>>6997802
He's says as if it's a bad thing. Hololive is currently in a content drought right now with not that much pumped by them daily especially the EN. They haven't filled most of the timeslots yet.

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>>6998086
i think is mostly becasue peope taking breaks.
Fubuki is taking a break, matsuri was too, aqua too, marine too, polka took one too,gura also took a break and next month EN is also taking some vacations or at least ame and ina are. From jp side lts of recordings and corona making the process slow. i expect things to ramp up from next week onward until En takes a break again.

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>>6997581
Biggest number I could find for Kuzuha in cr cup 5 was 33k. I don't feel like doing the leg work for older ones

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This >>6998154 was meant for >>6997751

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>>6997952
Riku literally has me in his basement watching Apex all day, I only posted this because the guards looked away for a li

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>>6998179
>>6998035
Thanks anons. Apex vtubers have like their own ecosystem separate from variety vtubers so it's always interesting to see how their numbers play out.

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>>6998179
You are quite a lazy person for a thread like this.
Opened Kuzuha's channel
Sorted videos by popularity
Picked the biggest one with apex tournament:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-IywGOQwG0
Checked - 55k

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>>6998248
He meant Cr Cup 5. The one you linked was the one I mentioned in my post where he got 50k+. It's probably an earlier CR Cup.

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>>6997662
take it easy anon, I can smell the copium from here

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>>6994931
I do wonder whether people will ever realize that Kiara's, with the exception of Heart Challenger that really got fucked over, isn't performing badly at all

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>>6998282
It's not only copium, if you know what I mean

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>>6998248
Anon.. That's not even from a cr cup....

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>>6998248
We are talking about CR Cup, you are too lazy to even read the post

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>SEAfag hours
>this thread was complete shit
rangeban when?

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>>6997802
Apparently its not just 4chan that engages in nijicope, even the ceo of nijisanji overflows with cope

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>>6998307
Yeah, you are right. As an apology I found a real cr cup stream:
https://playboard.co/en/video/ofxLbPWpYHQ
Peak - 64k

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>>6998248
yes i am lazy. that's why I stopped at cr cup 5. But that's from the last "Vtuber Most Cooperatitive Tournament" not cr cup.

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>>6998396
Thank you Anon. I will use this method in the future and continue to be lazy.

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>>6998086
We're probably going to get a bunch of 3D lives because of the number of anniversaries coming up. Aqua has one in early August already announced. I hate to say it, but between the girls picking the same songs to sing and how many concerts we got recently, I'm kinda tired of them. If they're pre-recording 3D stuff anyways, I wish they would just do goofy 3D shit like Maimoto's recent 3D lotion slide thing. Give us 3D holo twister or bring back holo summer pls.

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>>6997802
Uhh i swear it was Iwanaga who said this not Riku.

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>>6998522
It's a free concert and they're idols. Niji and Holo operates on different setting, but we could see more shenanigans from the EN side since they aren't labeled as idols. But, those cucks from Cover wouldn't want to touch VRChat until NijiEN swoops in and use it. They could've just used the valve's VR tech or partnered with Valve to make Virtual girls a reality. Make better and cheaper full body vtuber streaming experience like Melody and CodeMiko. Valve is literally a golden ticket for them.

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Mark my words, hours after Oga's debut, they'll release another timer for EN 2

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>>6998674
i highly doubt that, maybe after some other event that focuses on hololive

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>>6998674
No way, it's not like anyone who cares about EN2 is watching Oga.

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>>6998674
It'll be post 1 year anniversary

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>>6998674
As nice as that would line up, it's looking like we won't be getting EN2 for Hololive in July at this rate.

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>>6998732
You're not familiar with the en fanbase are you?

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>>6998536
It makes sense if Iwanaga said that because it's failed. Clearly Anycolor change their move after Iwanaga out from Nijisanji

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>>6998536
>>6998822
https://twitter.com/forbesjapan/status/1328103738674876416
>「にじさんじ」を運営する田角陸。「強引にファンを獲得すればコンテンツの消費が早くなる。持続的にファンの心をつかみ、長期で応援されるような『文化』にしたい」という─

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>>6998935
>I want to create a" culture "that will continue to win the hearts of fans and support them for a long time
Kinda ironic

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>>6998641
I wish some teamates are 3D model autists and someone makes a legitimate high quality Ame 3D model for her to use for future 3D VR or dance streams. That shit was hella fun and very unique compared to the rest of the holo ecosystem. It's something I can't see the JP girls ever doing tho.

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>>6999050
Ame is avoiding higher quality models for obvious reasons

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https://youtu.be/6_DmhmtxVAk

original songs weekly views

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>>6997802
>forcefully acquire fans
>spams ads compared to the competitors

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>>6999262
Man, I wonder how many weeks Reflect is going to manage to hold the top spot on this ranking.

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>>6999438
It's starting to slow down, so up until Gura/Mori or any of the Kamitsubaki talents release a new song.

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>>6998935
>nov 2020
Clearly having being mogged so much by their competitor broke his mind

[Anonymous No.]

Kanae's having a gay Twitcast with Kuzuha and it's been revealed that Kuzuha has a 70:30 male:female watchbase now instead of 80 that's been said here.

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>>7000347
Looks like the Rindou incident increased his attractiveness to the female fanbase instead, pretty cool.

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how do we save hal

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>>7000424
APEX