VShojofags, explain

[Anonymous No.]

>Sometimes I wish I could talk about things that's going on in the vtuber world...but unfortunately, I just have to remind everyone, I'm a part of a company, and I cannot do that without any scrutiny coming to my company, so I can't do it...
>I cannot weight in on things... because when i say something it not only reflects upon VShojo but also my other members
Uhhh, "company" ? What happened to creative freedom bros?

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>>69656920
Women not being allowed to comment on drama good actually

[Anonymous No.]

even if she was fully indie she'd probably be best off watching her tongue, if only because there are a lot of nijisisters and drama vultures still in feral mode and on the prowl

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>>69656920
She should have said that when trannies were bullying Silver.
She instead stated that Silver shouldn't have played the stupid wizard game.
Glad to know she is still a 2-faced menhera isn't she.

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>>69656920
Uh oh a corpo vtuber acknowledging drama but staying professional??? Nijisisters our response??????

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>>69656920
Not everyone is a nijiorgan who has to make their situation 10x worse by running their mouth

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>>69656995
She went on a 5 mins rant about some criticism she read about VShojo, and at the end of it she said this https://youtu.be/jqk2_Q9hZ4Y?t=431

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656920
she means if she talks shit about jp corpo autism the apes will seethe at her and everyone in vshojo for all eternity. you're still mad about vei talking about pooping 3 years ago.

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>>69656920
probably because half of the people involved are going to be her coworkers within a year

[Anonymous No.]

From the horses mouth. She says she's part of a corpo when everyone here was saying she wasn't and vShojo was different. Now we can put that confusion to rest.

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>>69657068
Don't get me wrong, this is smart, but how many times do you her VShojofags saying that they can do everything, they are indie.
Obviously they have restrictions, and that's a good thing.

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>>69656920
Good, she’s not a retard like NijiEN. When you’re a public face you always need to consider your words, and just because you can say something doesn’t mean you should.

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>>69657059
Ofcourse she supports the number 1 tranny lover

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>>69656920
Ironlung doesn't want to take sides because she wants to poach anyone that has a decent size following

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>>69656995
She never said that.

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>>69656920
Is that why she didn't say anything until super late when Silvervale was being harassed for playing HL? Because a fellow member is less important than... I don't know, whoever she's pandering to?

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>>69656920
Creative freedom unless you don't agree with Melody and ironlung's far left politics.
If you offend the leftist crowd, you get the boot.
Not a company btw.

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She can't shit on nijisanji because she probably thinks that her words have some actual impact and if this helps nijien to end, shes going to need a new source to poach from. she needs her battered and abused vtuber factory to run for as long as possible and keep a good relationship with them, but at the same time she cant just praise them because that would make her look bad right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>ITT; numberdonesians getting mad at shit they made up

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>>69657160
discretion isn't a restriction

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>>69657323
Whatever makes you cope.

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>>69657349
read a dictionary eslfag

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>>69656920
Literally every time I see someone post a screencap of Ironmouse she has a different outfit on, she must have over 100 now

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>>69657384
https://youtu.be/jqk2_Q9hZ4Y?t=59
She says that if she were indie she would talk about it. She's restricted because she's in a company, that can mean that she chooses to not talk because she doesn't want to damage the reputation of VShojo, or it could be company policy now, who knows.
The idea is that being in VShojo is not like being indie.

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>>69656920
Wait until you find out she's talking about Hololive because of the hoops she had to go through to get permission to collab with Mori, how schizo the tribalfag Holos are, and that she had to be "evaluated" by Holo management before they would approve a collab.

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>>69656920
>Creative freedom
Kek. Vwhorejo now realizes they can't just do and say whatever they want after starting to become relevant when they poached pikamee and ex-niji organs

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>>69657551
restriction is a hinderance that comes from an outside force, i.e. someone saying "no". making a personal choice to not do something because it will negatively effect others is not a restriction. it's a choice. freedom is the ability to make choices. you're arguing that she doesn't have freedom because she's making a choice. that's why your argument is so silly.

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>>69657739
You're right. Mori should join Vshojo. Ironmouse please "own" us holochads by poaching her.

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>>69657739
Remember when rpr, someone who collabed with nijisanji and hololive talents, said that nijifags are worse than holofags? https://youtu.be/hlJdG0A1t2Q?si=EFKDFKhP7uCuSAWm
> the hoops she had to go through to get permission to collab with Mori
Is that a bad thing? Also, how bad can it be when even phasefags can easily collab with holomems.

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>>69657870
Did you watch that video, she literally says that she might talk about it if she was indie. She can't because she's part of VShojo.

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>>69657918
emphasis on "might". indies have the same problems, if they talk shit about something it will effect her friends and how much people want to associate with her. look at sayu for example.

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>>69657261
I will never understand that advertising campaign. "Talent freedom" is a slogan that means nothing to a viewer, especially not a viewer who isn't familiar with the difference between the JP and EN streaming worlds, and it isn't like Vshojo was promoting themselves as a place for vtubers to join.

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>>69657059
jesus christ, what a bitter bitch. although I guess I might be too if I had An Imminent Death Syndrome

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>>69658033
so true sister

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>>69657773
VShojo is going through the same process that hololive went through. Let this be a lesson to every small corpo fags, if your company gets big enough, you have no choice but to add restrictions.
When you are a big company, you let behind small corpo mentality and become an adult.
Pray you stay where you are.

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>>69656970
fippy bippy

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>>69657918
Do you think Ironmouse is going to get fired or suspended if she talks about Niji drama? She "can't" because it's a bad idea and would cause problems for the company and the people that work there, not because she has actual restrictions on what she can talk about it.

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>>69658004
It wasn't aimed at viewers. They were trying to poach HoloJP talents and make a JP branch.
It failed horribly because the JP talents aren't all retarded like Coco.
Kson now makes less than 10% of what she used to make in SC. Every JP member now gets more views than her. The JP branch idea is dead. Long term joining Vshojo as a JP is stupid. Nazuna fucked off because she makes more money as an indie.

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>anons learning about personal responsibility
Better late than never

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>>69658186
obsessed chimp

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>>69656920
she is free to do whatever she wants, she just doesn't want to fuck over other people while doing that because she's not a sociopath

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>>69656920
good, my opinion of vshojo has improved upon hearing this, thanks anon

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>>69656920
>has talent freedom
>but also has the self restraint to not turn herself into a lolcow farmed by dramafags for endless content
Just because you have the freedom to say something, doesn't mean it's a good idea to say it.

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>>69658222
>>69658337
Ok so what you guys are saying is that vshojo members put the exact same restrictions on themselves as hololive management puts on their vtubers.
Except hololive members can also play harry potter games.

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>>69658555
And when one of their members get harassed they don't throw them under the bus to appease twitter

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>>69658186
>They were trying to poach HoloJP talents
...by advertising to them in the subway? instead of having their friend who regularly hangs out with them talk to them in private?
monkey logic is wild

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>>69658555
>still seething about harry potter
Silver was a retard for playing that game, deal with it. It would have been different if she had a backbone and told the troons and their enablers to fuck off like plenty of other vtubers did, but she didn’t.

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>>69656995
>>69657261
>>69657295
>>69657773
>>69658062
>>69658186
>>69658555
Vshojo antis still making shit up. Seethe more.

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>>69659040
You can cope all you want, being in VShojo comes to restrictions.
I could add some reasons why I think this, ignoring Ironmouse saying it herself:
>ex-Niji members having no opinion about their former company situation, not even a criptic one
>most likely reason veibae and Nyanners left VShojo, if anything veibae was the canary for talent freedom.
Again, this is not a bad thing, it's actually smart. I made this post to shit on VShojofags, I have nothing against the talents.

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>>69659271
It's not a corporate restriction when it's self imposed to protect yourself and friends from drama vultures.

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>>69658179
I see. so that's why vshojo hires are either nepos or those already popular.
Vshojo is more akin to a union than a company then

[Anonymous No.]

This argument is dead when Veibae on stream yesterday said she would also not comment on Nijisanji and Dokibird. Sometimes people don't wanna talk about it when all has been said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69657308
ejekan yang bagus kawan! 100 buat kamu

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>>69659347
It works the same regardless, if they were indie they wouldn't have to worry about this.
Sayu can get on call with False and talk about shit niji were doing, veibae says retard the first day she leaves the company.
Face it, they are too big to act like they are a start-up company.

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>>69659446
Veibae said retard multiple times in vshojo and could have continued but has said that she doesn't want to implicate the other members.

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>>69659446
>if they were indie they wouldn't have to worry about this.
That’s not necessarily true.

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>>69659504
Indeed, she said before joining VShojo that she doesn't want to join any vtuber company. VShojo was pretty lax when they started, but now they have to impose restrictions on themselves.
>>69659549
At the very least, they only have to worry about themselves, and not others.

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>>69659586
Yes that is what it's like to join a content org. It's not necessarily a bad thing.
1) Don't be rapist
2) Don't be an abuser
3) Don't do anything that may harm the group's reputation (varying degrees of this).

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>>69656920
I don't understand, OP. Is that supposed to be a bad thing?
It only makes her look professional. Not immediately jumping on the opportunity to dunk on another corpo when she is the face of a company is a good thing.
Her words tell you everything you need to know though. She would join the shitting on NijiEN if her opinion didn't reflect on vshojo.

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>>69659040
Cope more you retard. It's a fact that vshojo is nowhere near as popular as holo and niji.
Once they start to get more eyes on them there will be a lot more restrictions. You can't just do or say anything you want anymore because you also have to think about how it'll affect your co-workers.

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>>69656920
Ironmouse strikes me as spineless. Wizard game controversy and how she did nothing to protect Silver is where I first noticed it. What's the point of being the talent freedom company if you're just going to act like every other corpo shackled to a PR department? Not one vshojo member has anything to say about Doki/Niji? Not even a vaguepost? Hard to believe. A memo must have gone out.

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>>69659745
Zentreya and Froot both vague posted about Doki.

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>>69659721
They can still do it if they want to though, unlike some other orgs where she would get suspended or terminated if she falls out of line.
Also self-restrained and knowing when to stay out of drama isn't a bad thing at all, not sure why you pretend that somehow means they are now just as restricted as other corpos who can't even name a brand without getting shit for it.

>>69659745
>Wizard game controversy and how she did nothing to protect Silver is where I first noticed it.
Except she did you retarded catalogvermin.

[Anonymous No.]

Not shitting yourself even though you could doesn't mean that you have intestinal obstruction

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>>69659919
>>Wizard game controversy and how she did nothing to protect Silver is where I first noticed it.
>Except she did you retarded catalogvermin.
Show teh clip nigger.
While you are at it, also post how she mentioned Silver shouldn't have streamed the game.
That was the last Mousey stream I watched.
Now I watch insides exclusively.
Even Silver herself stated she that Mousey was ignoring and not responding to Silver for fucking months

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>>69659679
>>69659720
Yes, it's a good thing. I think I made myself very clear in my thread when I put the subject VShojofags. Yes, this is directed at them, not at Ironmouse.

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>>69656920
She knows talking about Doki is pretty much a radioactive topic now, I don't blame her
Maybe in a year from now she will

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>>69660043
https://youtu.be/2CR7xPVM4LE

Now post the clip where she says Silver shouldn't have streamed the game you pathetic vshojo anti.

[Anonymous No.]

Her being in a company has nothing to do with it.
She wants to stay in the good graces of the Twitch Cabal she has become friends with.

kek

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>>69660109
Seeing some bigger vtubers be squeamish about sharing their opinion makes me glad to have vtubers like Coqui.

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>>69656920
She said she doesn't like to talk about drama much because she thinks it might bring more drama and harassment to the other girls by bringing attention to it which is exactly what she's been pissed about lately. She sees people harassing other talents in the agency and she's fed up with it. Despite saying she shouldn't talk about it, she did end up talking about it anyway. She's done it twice now in the past week and a half cause she's sick of seeing all of this shit.

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>>69656920
>NOOOOOOOO SHE SHOULD DRAG ALL THE OTHER TALENTS IN DRAMA BECAUSE I SAID SO

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>>69658179
It's not even about Niji in the first place. She was referring to hate that Froot and sometimes Zen tend to get on twitter, as well as how much she's gotten ever since she's started winning awards. She was always talking specifically about how much of a pain in the ass it was to collab with Calli despite them being good friends, because Hololive saw all the angry antis and mad them jump through hoops just to get the first collab to happen. She said it got better now though because the collabs are basically just considered normal with holo management. At the time they looked at it weirdly as a possible competitor, but they know they're not out here trying to fucking merk them or anything now.

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>>69656920
>My company has told me I cannot talk about this because it will effect them negatively
Is not the same as
>My views are going to reflect my company and I don't want those views to negatively impact that company or attract negative attention to the people I work with
One is a leash, the other is a choice. Insane that needs to be said at all but 70% of this board is ESL and can't tell the difference.

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>>69660145
That was obviously bot clipped for good reason. And I asked you to show it because we both know she said this in the same stream retard.
Why do you think Silver was seething about Mousey?

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>>69660531
Is Mouse the networking GOAT or is Gunrun just that good?

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>>69659919
Again, that's because they're nowhere near as popular as holo and niji. If they ever want to get better brand deals and collabs they will have to be a lot stricter. They might have to tell Melody to stop being a whore. If she doesn't stop being a whore then the other members will be affected by her decision of being a whore

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>>69656920
>company founded by a Twitch co-founder still tight with Twitch and so has connections with Amazon
Smarr indie prease undastandu

[Anonymous No.]

>>69660687
Yagoo literally follows Gunrun on Linkedin and likes all of his Vshojo posts.

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>>69660145
NTA but it isn't even a point of speculation that Silver and Mousey hate each other
https://youtu.be/UJ3j_-NyGfI?si=Z9ZekwNZtXPYvYKI

I hope you are able to read in between he lines without coming off as a Silver anti

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>>69660628
>>69660786
She didn't say that. Post the clip, faggot.
>Why do you think Silver was seething about Mousey?
Because she's a jealous menhera and even then, the only thing she said is that they are not friends.

>>69660689
They will never compromise on talent freedom. And Vshojo already is doing well for themselves when it comes to brand deals and sponsorships, they don't need to conform to other agencies or orgs to continue running successfully.

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>>69660689
>They might have to tell Melody to stop being a whore
I know this is a hypothetical but telling Melody to stop being a whore would be the same as telling Melody to leave

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>>69660786
Silver probably hates mouse, but she doesn't like a lot of people. She's had constant menhera breakdowns ever since Mouse started getting higher numbers then her. She had a breakdown on twitter over it once or twice.

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>>69660710
That's because of Gunrun's connection to twitch, not because Yagoo think's he's a good CEO.
Gunrun is just known for 3 things:
1) twitch
2) poaching talents with a big following already
3) a fucking backpack thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>69660710
where is riku's follow?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69660807
Why are you tagging me you retard?
I just said they are not on good terms

[Anonymous No.]

>>69660807
Sure. Keep telling yourself that you coping faggot

[Anonymous No.]

How dare this bitch not pull an Elira and make all the other vshojo members lose thousands of subs by "speaking out" on drama
Truly the satan of our time

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>>69660854
Nah, it's because he wants to do more networking with EN vtubing, he actually made a post about it on his Linkedin. If he wanted to get Twitch connections he would follow people who work at Twitch, not people who worked there five years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

OP did a masterful job of making everyone think Mouse was talking about Niji and dokibird. Mouse was talking about people shitting on Froot and occasionally herself. She also ended up talking about it despite saying she wasn't going to, which throws the whole "she can't" thing out the window.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqk2_Q9hZ4Y
She's been calling out people for days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIzlMmwzbV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U68m9P50tmc
Company ain't gonna do shit bro.

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>>69660940
You can't even show receipts for your claims retarded vshojo anti.

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/6l438x2Gz50?si=gbTRL3XLfBTSyI1B

[Anonymous No.]

>>69660807
>>69660835
Naa, she like this with Nux as well.
And Nux was the one who made Melody and Iron Mouse blow up in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661017
>Sometimes I wish I could talk about things that's going on in the vtuber world
How else would you spin this quote to make it sound about VShojo only. Does the vtuber world consist only of VShojo?

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>>69661017
No you are retarded and are conflating 2 different issues.
She literally says the vtubing world so it's not about vshojo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661029
The other anon posted the video of silver talking about Iron Mouse specifically. Watch that you corporate boot licker.

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>>69661086
>Nux was the one who made Melody and Iron Mouse blow up in the first place
>Nux made melody
LOL
chaturbate made melody and melody found mouse.and made her big

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661138
I already watched it and I watched it live you moron. Nothing she says changes my argument.

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>>69660854
>3) a fucking backpack thing
Put some respect on the backpack. It literally made irl streaming mainstream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661125
I watched the stream retard, she said what she was talking about and I just provided the clips so you could watch it too

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661150
Keep telling that to yourself.
Just type in Nuxtaku-Iron Mouse.
She was literally in every second video of his from 2020 to early 2021

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661184
Like I said you are conflating 2 different issues because you are a braindead clip watcher.

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>>69661182
Because you are a corporate asslicker.
No better than those holofags.
Even worse I would say as Silver literally was blocked off by her and then she has the audacity to tell people they are good friends

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661220
You can literally see the exact streams and numbers for her blowing up after Mel raided her. They're all still there on twitchtracker.

[Anonymous No.]

>The biggest face of her company refuses to involve herself in drama that doesn’t involve her
>Has the option to but doesn’t want to attract unwanted attention
I get you guys live in a 3rd world country but you have access to the internet and are still this retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656920
Creative freedom doko

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>>69661278
Go on, explain how her words debunk my arguments then.

[Anonymous No.]

You niggas still arguing about Silver when her only friends are
>Mirapink
Long time indie friend
>Vei
Out of pity because Vei realises that Silver is lonely
>Nyanners
They're not even close. Just have to keep up appearances.

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>>69661368
I won't. Because your brain is filled with stupid juice and you can't see that fag is trolling you.
You Vshojo fags should lurk for 10 years before posting here honestly.
Just look at the amount of anti Hololive and Nijisanji are there in threads in the catalog.

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>>69661278
My favorite part of Silver saying they hadn't talked for 9 months or whatever is at the time she said that, you could go back and watch the VRchat video from Mouse's birthday where they all hung out and fucked around offstream and parts of it were later uploaded to youtube as a video. And part of it had Silvervale crying and hugging mouse while talking about how great she was and how proud of her she was. It completley fucked up Silver's timeline because the Birthday had been maybe 3 months since at most. We also have famous messages like pic related that COMPLETELY contdradict her entire statement about needing to talk to her friends more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661486
Hey, we Vshojo fans aren't the smartest but you don't have to be so rude

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661486
this nigga really throwing out the kindergarten vernacular

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661486
I mean we are still new as supposed to you idol keks

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661470 (me)
I apologize. I take this back. I was being very rude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661486
>it's just trolling
Yeah sure thing.
Hololive fans shouldn't even speak about being thin-skinned when they threw a fit over Nyanners making that "new hololive gen looking good" joke.

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>>69661525
https://youtu.be/s99Sx7A3B2k?t=223
Video related. Just a few months before Silver quit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661086
>Nux
Oh notto dis shit again

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661578
>>69661605
Lmao stop being so fucking angry and breathe for a minute.
Also bold of you to assume I am a Holofag. Kek

[Anonymous No.]

If you hate ironmouse so much, why do you keep following her around and watching her clips?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661605
>new hololive gen looking good
I am sorry, I don't watch you e-celebs and I have no interest whatsoever in your twitch chubbas
So I literally have no idea what you are on about

[Anonymous No.]

>100+ posts
>45 IPs
Yeah, Vshojofags are literally seething on an absolute nothing burger

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661670
Well what are you then?

>>69661729
Seems like you have some interest or you wouldn't even be in this thread. Cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661605
Naa but seriously what?

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>>69661793
I dont even watch chubbas, I am here to take a screen cap and then share it with twitter folks which shows how fucking pathetic you chubba fags are. Thanks for the nice laughs cucks.
Keep bring a bromy and white knighting your pathetic little oshis while they are fucking CDawgVA

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656920
She's a cunt who has her nose up everyone's asses sniffing for drama only to rub it in the faces of her fans and speculators. Really annoying way of saying "i know what's going on but im not going to talk about it, give me attention"
Now watch her have her own segment about how she said nothing of use in the next false video

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661924
Anon, you said more pathetic things in this post then everything I read here. Get a grip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661793
>Seems like you have some interest or you wouldn't even be in this thread. Cope
Seems like you are just being a faggot.
Also you type like an underaged kid

[Anonymous No.]

>>69659389
those 2 things literally have nothing to do with each other you literal faggot nigger retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661994
>Vshojo fags are ESL
Paint me surprised
Goodluck paying for the non existent medical bills and the condom money for IM friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661525
>>69661606
now her new outfit debuts don't even break 5k or some shit, lmao.
vei and asmon really blew so much smoke up her ass it's hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661994
>then
Kys. Don't call yourself a VShojo fan if you can't even formulate a basic english sentence you tranny

[Anonymous No.]

>>69662080
You got something right, I am ESL, but I'm not VShojofag, so fuck off and suck a dick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661924
>>69662080
The strongest Vshojo anti, everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69662157
Go to /#/ Vshojo monkey

[Anonymous No.]

>>69662209
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>69662160
Jeez, what's with the gatekeeping.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69662232
You are ruining the image of other vshojo fans. You deserve to be with other number monkeys

[Anonymous No.]

>>69662241
This has nothing do with you Holofag.
>>69662232
I will skin you alive and rape everyone in your family if you don't improve your English in that case.
Or stop being a Vshojo fan

[Anonymous No.]

>>69662080
Lmao of course it's IMschizo
She's allowed to not step in shit for the sake of her company you absolute seething faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>69662341
my English is far better than yours shitskin
>>69662279
couldn't give less of a shit, cry more and dilate

[Anonymous No.]

>>69662341
What an absolutely unhinged thing to say. I'm supposed to believe you're not the maddest person on the planet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69662397
>calls me shitskin
>Can't even formulate basic sentences
Show me subscription badge faggot.
An ESL like you who can't even understand English doesn't watch chubbas

[Anonymous No.]

>>69662465
Idiot, these are Nijifags from SEA pretending to be Vshojo fags.
Go understand the thread culture of /Vsj+/ before typing nonsense

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656920
First vshojo decision I think I've ever agreed with

>>69656970
This

[Anonymous No.]

>>69662512
show yours if you care so much faggot

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>>69662653
>n...no u
I knew it you are a Niji kek falseflagging.
KYS
I won't be replying to you any further.
I hope you learn English instead of acting like a retard and making people hate Vshojo more

[Anonymous No.]

>>69662782
keep dilating faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656920
>ironlung being considerate of others
a surprise to be sure but a welcome one

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656920
It's literally just "i'm not like other girls" except on a company level. What did you seriously expect from twitch thots?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69663373
please elaborate

[Anonymous No.]

>>69663481
A stereotype of basic bitch thots is that they'll say "I'm not like other girls" in an attempt to stand out and/or they genuinely believe they are special snowflakes, when in reality they are in fact the same as every other basic bitch thot. As you can see, vshojo markets itself as having "le freedumbs" when in reality they are beholden to the same common sense rules every other company has in place to protect themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69657323
It's funny to see you vshitters backtrack on so much shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69663664
you know they have the freedom to not talk about stuff right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656920
This just says to me that some of the Niji's know about her actual self and if provoked could just leak all the shit shes told them in private to expose the real ironmouse

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656920
>not allowed to talk about drama that could get Vshojo sued by a massive company
ITS SO OVER CREATIVE FREEDOM IS DEAD!

[Anonymous No.]

>>69659720
It's not a bad thing, but it's funny coming from the company that positioned itself as the beacon of freedom.
Even more funny that their fans are ignoring all the shit they have spewed in the community for years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69663664
she did not say it's a rule pagpagkun

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656920
>not a corpo btw
in reality, its because the ex nijis in her corpo partook in the bullying

[Anonymous No.]

>>69663968
Yeah I'm sure she would suffer zero legal repercussions if she let off a big yab lmao, god you're a manchild.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69663968
Well, it's not a rule until they get someone that starts spilling the beans. Reminds me so much of when hololive started.
VShojo still has some good perks, aka model ownership, but the bigger they become, the more the rules will multiply. Enjoy it while you can, VShojobro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661605
>Still seething about a retard being treated like a clown.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69664088
???
someone translate from tagalog please

[Anonymous No.]

>>69663664
>vshojo CLAIMS they have freedom but they still obey common sense
o-okay? these are hardly incompatible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69664088
why is every vshojo anti so retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69664147
the thief believes everyone steals

[Anonymous No.]

>>69664034
>>69663884
You shouldn't talk about reality when you just write a fucking fanfiction.

>>69664235
Because they want to believe everything they read no matter if it's entirely fabricated so they appear retarded when called out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69664279
You can't work with only trust alone anon, you need rules. Rules makes everything fair for everyone. Like imagine Ironmouse saying all this, but then some other talents just says something about nijisanji, what happens then? There was no rule, they can't enforce anything, and they get cancelled. How do you prevent that in the future?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69664423
they are allowed to have different opinions and values

[Anonymous No.]

>>69664483
Good luck with that, I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

Will these bait threads disappear if mouse doesn't win the next vtuber award?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69664423
In that case, probably nothing. The other members/management gets mad at them. Since everyone is mad at them, they probably don't renew the contract.
There are probably rules in VShojo, there's probably an NDA about certain business topics, but you're not explicitly restricted in what topics you can discuss, games you can play, etc., people are just expected to use common sense.

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>>69664857
>common sense
That only gets you so far.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2068598033?t=3h18m29s
> There was a group of people that really didn't want us to talk to each other
> A lot of stuff happening that was really negatively affecting stuff
Fucking hell she's terminally /here/.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2068598033?t=3h19m32s
> We weren't allowed to put each other's names in our collab schedules
This means it's supposed to be a "surprise!" thing.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2068598033?t=3h20m6s
> There was a very vocal group of people that did not like me, and did not like VShojo
> They did not want Calli to collab with me.
> They were VERY vocal about it.
> They did a lot of weird stuff that was really fucking yikes to try and not get us to collab with each other.
> We had something planned and then we had to cancel it.
> And then I had to be 'evaluated'. I had to be 'evaluated' as a potential collab partner for a specific amount of time.
No shit? Your agency was filled with retraded whores.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2068598033?t=3h20m59s
> And when they said "you guys can collab" and we're like "yeah let's go!".
> But they were like "you can't mention it though" and I'm like "oh, okay".
> And I will tell you, Calli like REALLY wanted.. man, she works so hard for things.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2068598033?t=3h23m0s
> It wasn't like that with Kiara.
> I think after some time it became normal for us to cross collab and stuff, so.
> It's definitely much better now.
> I think it was just at first, it was a very new concept like "omg opposing companies collabing with each other".
> And people have always had a bit of a hate boner for us you know? laugh
Well good thing your agency got a fucking brain and realised that they had a dogshit reputation and they needed to improve that.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2068598033?t=3h23m42s
> Oh yeah the stream that nyan and kiara did, that like literally broke the internet
What even is she talking about? Is she terminally /here/?
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2068598033?t=3h24m12s
> When I'm old and grey, the stories I could tell you guys of things that happened.
> When I'm old and grey I'll write a book about all the crazy shit that we've had to go through that we can't talk about now, that we'll talk about later.
> There's just so much fucking stuff that people don't even know, it's crazy.
Eh if I were you I'd keep my mouth shut, I am sure people have more crazier stories of you.

[Anonymous No.]

Vshojo has a branch in Japan as a registered business entity. If any Vshojo vtuber says anything bad about another company in Japan, Vshojo JP could get sued for defamation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656920
She's Boricua. Even when they try to avoid drama, there's drama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656920
the sickly little rat won't even defend her friends, you think she's actually gonna do it for a stranger? roru

[Anonymous No.]

>>69664993
>> Oh yeah the stream that nyan and kiara did, that like literally broke the internet
Delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

She could have just said a few words of support to Doki without touching Niji at all. But I guess the two-faced bitch was afraid of the slightest chance of burning the bridge with them, so much for muh unity, muh freedom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69665255
You must have not been /here/.

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>>69665081
No they arnt saying anything because they got hit with the reality that as a corpo, you can't go around trying to make yourself look superior.
That shit is retarded, looks opportunistic and vshoujo has its own skeletons in the closet. It's better if their members just do what they are supposed to do: make content instead of indulging in drama.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't get why people keep talking about Vshojo like it's similar to other vtuber corpos. The reason they can claim talent freedom is because they're ran more like your typical twitch streamer org like OTV/OTK. They're in partnership with their orgs for sponsorships, merch, etc. but they can't force them to not talk about politics, drama, or make them stop streaming like suspension. Gunrun isn't like their actual boss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69661086
Whatever you say Nux

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>>69665301
Oh, she means broke the internet that way?
I wasn't /here/ during that time, but outside the most controversial member was veibae. Not sure why she says people didn't want her to collab with Calli. Who are these people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69665294
DDF back at it o7

[Anonymous No.]

>>69665309
But but Kekson said they weren't a company and they could say whatever they wanted. I expect the Jesus and the Queen of Vtuber to have their full 10 minutes take on all this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69665309
>No they arnt saying anything because they got hit with the reality that as a corpo, you can't go around trying to make yourself look superior.
If only Nijisanji vtubers got that memo, with their whole "all out war" discord leak lmfao

[Anonymous No.]

>>69665544
Or maybe some of exnijiliver are going to join vsj soon so she don’t want to rant much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69665544
They already tried, and got burned until they realised that drama is a debuff in vtubing if you want to stay long term.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69665427
He's still their boss and could terminate their contract with Vshojo in the worst case but that's about it.

>>69665544
When did Kson say that vshojo isn't a company?
Show the receipt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69665652
They left because Niji was bad and they don't like it there, do they? Why worry then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69665753
>When did Kson say that vshojo isn't a company?
Don't try to be a smartass here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69664993
>No shit? Your agency was filled with retraded whores
More like you guys sperged to hololive over nothing with lies and they panicked

[Anonymous No.]

>>69665942
No receipt? As expected.

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>>69665753
Nah that nigga is tweaking. Vsj definitely is a company. But even if you end the contract with them, the models and ip is still yours. They also dont fuck over there ex-livers like niji so who care.

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>>69665784
Maybe bc niji were that bad so she thought it’s best to not fuck with them(directly).

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>>69665974
>>69666228
inb4
>aksually i thought "they" doesn't include Kekson
https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/vr7q4m/kson_did_a_qa_answering_some_questions_she/
Literally the first pic is she's still an indie lmao. I thought bitch was fearless

[Anonymous No.]

>>69665945
Vshitters still denying reality I see

[Anonymous No.]

>>69665784
They may still be friends with people in the company, shittalking Niji might piss them off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69666372
holy esl

[Anonymous No.]

>>69666372
>are you now owned by a company
>no
retarded ESL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69666372
That's litearally what >>69666228 said and what we already knew.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69666328
So you're telling me that the legendary Kson, indie Jesus, no restriction, who had and about to have more ex-Niji friend (who fled cuz bad treatment) who would have the entire English speaking scene supporting her for whatever she would say in this case to support doki and shit on Niji chose to stay silent cuz this time she was "scared" lmao.

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>>69666626
Oh you talk about kson. Well I don’t think she know much about the situation to comment on it. Didn’t she tweet something related to the drama tho? Also she live in Japan, and defamation law there is fucked so nah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69666626
Kson has her own beef with NijiJP/Management. Also, JP liable laws are pretty fucking miserable to deal with. So, why put herself through the trouble of speaking about it directly? When she can reference the Doki/NijiEN shit when she can speak on it in a backhanded way. Where everyone "knows" what she's talking about it but not saying it outright.

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>>69666626
I find this weird too. Remember when she talked that nijisanji hates her, what happened?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69666432
>>69666463
Retard
This is the first argument, she said she doesn't belong to them, she's still an indie and can say whatever the fuck she wants.
>>69665544

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>>69666851
Please learn english because that's no what she says here, moron.

[Anonymous No.]

>I can't discuss industry drama and burn bridges on stream!
>I have to go through management to collab with other companies!
I think it's crazy that she still barely knows what professionalism entails.
Must be a Twitch thing, since even the big streamers there seem to treat their job like a hobby, but you'd think with how much experience they got and after making that much money, they would still have a modicum of common sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69666846
She is a direct threat to their business model. Why let the livers see the grass is actually greener if you had a decent fanbase install.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69666851
learn english

[Anonymous No.]

>>69664993
Mucho texto

[Anonymous No.]

>>69666387
if that was why then why did the collab still happen in the end?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656920
I would have believed her if she hadn't arranged side job for mori or used her RM for negative campaign against corpo Vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69667095
Probably the one side with all the schizos said fuck it and did what they wanted to do in the first place. It's also probably why it's less of a problem for DD to show up than the other one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69666946
>>69667020
Check the time in SEA, it's the evening, that explains everything, I remember seeing an anti Henya bait thread with an indonesian filename in the OP around the same time.

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>>69667193
>less of a problem for DD
No, she lost a lot of opportunities because of Twitch on both sides.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69658186
>Kson now makes less than 10% of what she used to make in SC
She literally told her members to stop SCing her, you fucking retard.
>Nazuna fucked off because she makes more money as an indie.
Vshojo didn't want to renew her contract because Nazuna is a dumb mentally ill bitch that refused to work with them and most of them time ghosted management.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656920
if it was holo every vtuber would talk about it just like they did in 2021 and prior

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656920
>I'm a part of a company,
??????

[Anonymous No.]

>>69667456
>refused to work with them and most of them time ghosted management.
I thought the talent had freedom over what content they want to create? Why would she need to talk to management to?

[Anonymous No.]

why would she badmouth the owners of vshojo's talent pool? she's crippled not retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>69667377
Despite that she is doing fine. It's not like her former idol bestie doesn't do the same thing from time to time.

>>69667456
Well that and split streams with her alteregos. And a complete lack of interest in doing the work to reach out to anyone. Or help develop that side of the "org"

[Anonymous No.]

>own your own name, you own model, you own IP
>tons of merch that has no go between with Vshojo
>same for sponsors
>all money made through streaming is your own
>Vshojo has no access to any of your accounts, phones, etc
There's literally nothing they could do if any of them ever said anything about anything they they didn't like. It would be a "yeah we gotta split from them and end our contract" at the absolute worst and there's zero benefit to Vshojo in doing it. The talent walks away with everything and the company looks bad in the process. Remember Vshojo will literally let you work for other companies/talent agencies while working for them, just to top it all off. Mouse and Zen work for UTA, Geega works for MSM, and Hime works for GeeXPlus.

[Anonymous No.]

>Rushia graduated from Hololilve
Vwhorefags:"Cover is an evil company! TALENT FREEEEEDOM!!!"

>Nazuna graduated from Vshojo
Vwhorefags:"Nazuna is a dumb mentally ill bitch"

DOUBLETHINK

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>>69667529
>Why would she need to talk to management to?
Because unironically, management has projects that concerns her and she needed to shill on stream. There were so many endorsements she got where she didn't even bother streaming about it. She was getting paid while she literally did nothing. Why would you even bother working with this piece of shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656920
wow even vshojo is less retarded than nijisanji huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>69667653
Sounds like a lack of rules to me. 3 more Nazunas and they will have to file for bankruptcy kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656920
>company
vhojoturds status?
ruru

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>>69667643
Rushia having a boyfriend/husband isn't/wasn't really an issue over the vsj+ general. Her spergs and unicorns would certainly have more of a problem with it considering the content she does.

And yeah she is a dumb mentally ill bitch, but we tend to like those. Otherwise, /vt/ wouldn't be here in the first fucking place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69664993
are they still seething about hololive wow

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>>69667643
>DOUBLETHINK
Are you fucking stupid? If you even had a brain to begin with, you'd know people vshojoniggers hated her 6 or more months before she even left vshojo. When she started ghosting everyone and started blocking Henya after her menhera fit, it was mostly downhill from her side at this point. This bitch is already at that point where it's impossible to save or defend her stupid ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69664679
naw they'll be pissed when she does her next subathon and beats pekora again because of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69667643
Vshojofags didn't think that Hololive was in the wrong when it came to the Rushia termination. The ones who did complain about that were her fanbase, the schizo keyfags who thought she can do no wrong and they never integrated in /vsj+/ so I refuse that association.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69667095
when did the vei collab happen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69667643
>Vwhorefags:"Cover is an evil company! TALENT FREEEEEDOM!!!"
At least make up something that's believable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69664520
Mouse is pretty adamanent about graduations being a dogshit concept because she thinks people see them as a funeral and the last you'll ever seen of a person, when they're usually just getting a new job somewhere else. She's gone off about it before. On the other hand Mata thinks they're fine and disagrees.
People disagree on shit. That's life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69667829
Nigger made up story in his retarded mind

[Anonymous No.]

>>69657059
>I just want to shit on silvervale because I like froot
Literal fucking whore mentality

[Anonymous No.]

>>69667767
It's also why she's streaming more as Nazuna because the Mike character is extremely damaged goods.

>>69667829
It's true her fanbase here never slotted in to the general, but, I don't think anyone cheered on her initial firing. At least based on the info we had at the time.

[Anonymous No.]

VShojo is going to hire the niji clique, she's not allowed to say mean things about them

[Anonymous No.]

>>69667882
I'm pretty sure the vshojo thread brings up holo and graduations every other thread. it's very weird how how often it gets brought up

[Anonymous No.]

>>69667975
Some of them at least, the Niji refugee camp is probably going to be more selective going forward.

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit Batman! They've learned from past mistakes

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668026
They share their audience so I doubt it

[Anonymous No.]

>>69667764
Vei, Nyanners and Silver already left vshojo. So I'm confused as to who you're trying to pin your hate onto now that they've left.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69667953
Nobody cheered it, but nobody said Cover was evil for firing her over an indisputable NDA violation either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69667763
Not that kind of dumb mentally ill bitch

That one is amber heard level, aside from her simps no one like her anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668128
Yeah everyone agreed that she was a retard and no one could do anything about it
What people disagreed on was on if it was right for her to have a boyfriend or not, and when it was revealed that she was a sociopathic whore, aside from her deluded orbiters everyone treated her as the trash she is

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656920
imagine thinking there is such thing as "talent freedom" for a corpo,its nothing but a buzzword vshojo use because they have NOTHING to show

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656970
fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668128
Which is the correct position to have. Getting fired for having a relationship is a dumb idol culture trope, Which lot of people here subscribe to.

>>69668284
I guess I don't wish her terrible ill. I do hope she gets her shit together and gets her problems sorted out. Which is tough considering JPs take on mental illness and treatment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69656920
>What happened to creative freedom bros?
Nothing, idiot.
>I can put my hand on a hot stove but I wont do it because I will burn myself
vs
>I can't do it because there will be professional consequences and punishments

[Anonymous No.]

Half of the thread is ESL and the other half dramafags. God i love /vt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668317
>nothing to show
Ironmouse's pity awards

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668317
cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668317
This post has the same energy as posting "First" on a Mr. Beast video.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69667377
>she lost a lot of opportunities because of Twitch on both sides
calli/DD? lol lmao even

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668342
This is the literal definition of creative freedom btw.
She can do it, but it's HER CHOICE not to do it. Best exemplified by her even talking about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69667377
how can she lose opportunities because of a platform

[Anonymous No.]

>>69667608
then whats the point in vshojo? thats just straight up vshojo riding the already big "member" that should be indie lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668426
she literally says she wants to but she can't, this isn't even ESL, this is just illiteracy

[Anonymous No.]

>>69667769
beat what? pekora is still the number female streamer by ACTUAL stats,not random bs award by normie who know nothing about vtuber and also pekora is actually face to face with kazuha as TOP female and male vtuber IN THE WORLD. lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668317
There is, its just retards that don't have any idea what freedom is thinking they should by definition do whatever is available to them.
Which ironically kinda defies what freedom really is in the first place. If you jump in into everything available for you by definition, you're actually depriving yourself of "choice"

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668491
Because they manage shit? It's what a talent agency does for its talents

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668504
She says she can't do it because it might hurt her friends, not because she literally cannot do it, so it's still a choice in the end, no matter how easy and obvious it is for her. In a situation that was extremely important to her she might have said something regardless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668571
>big youtube noombers
That's cool and all, but Mouse now is basically a face of Western vtubing, or at least at par with Gura for the general audience. Too many connections, and too much prime time in the last 12 months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668798
please call me when ironlung collabs with a state, or a hospital at least

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668449
Interestingly, every time she gets more exposure on Twitch, both her numbers go down. /#/ would agree with me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668491
The same reason you join Hololive or (JP) Nijisanji: joining gets you more viewers and more money. VShojo doesn't give as many other perks (they do 3D concerts but they're online-only at least so far) but they do provide management, tech support and don't take a cut of streaming revenue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668610
manage what? look at doki/selen,hire a manager,then he will manage her,she is fully indie ACTUALLY FREE WITH THE TALENT/CREATIVE FREEDOM,no corpo bs rules that hold her back,NOTHING.
you can call me vshojo anti or whatever,the fact is vshojo only hired BIG EX NIJI with a fully established fanbase to be "relevant",other than that its all mouse for a pity reason and the only thing normie know.
vshojo offer something when you can get it as indie,so why bother? thats why rushia/nazuna out,she realise that clearly,shes a bitch,but shes not dumb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668924
I believe you, I just find it curious

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668491
It's a talent agency. They manage talents. You ever had a manager before?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668928
Holy retard, think for a second before you speak. Vshojo was formed by large indies and they could quit anytime with everything they have if they don't think it was worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668928
Holy word salad. You just vomited out a firehose of accusations

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668798
>Mouse now is basically a face of Western vtubing
anon,get out from that "twitch/twitter" echo chamber for a sec,vtuber is "virtual youtuber" i'm not saying mouse not BIG or popular,but the FACE of western vtuber? lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668798
Fucking twitchdrones, jesas christ

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668989
oh good,then why join? haruka? now thats make sense for her,other big ex corpo? lmao,dokibird literally showing it that theres no point of joining vshojo or if you want the ex vshojo,hell look at rushia,she knew theres no point "paying" vshojo when its no different from being indie,now mythic talent is different story lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668504
Bro, this isn't the "I can't drive through the intersectionon on red lights" type of can't, its the "I can't show myself in this dress because I don't like red" kind of can't.
In first case, the reason behind the limitation is external, in the second it's internal.
In her case, its not that there is some company rule against it or that she will get shit from the company, it's that she doesn't want them to get strays by her own choice.
If you still think thats not the case, then explain why Vei who is not in the company anymore basically did the same recently. On one of her last streams she said she's limiting herself with rants on Nijisanji, because she's aware it will be connected to Vshojo and she doesn't want them to get shit for it, even though she doesn't have any contractual obligations preventing her from it

[Anonymous No.]

>>69669116
All those words just to compensate for your reading incomprehension

[Anonymous No.]

>>69669000
Twitch, the largest platform in streaming.
Twitter, one of the largest social medias
who's really in the echo chamber?
vtubing is small niche compared to the size of these and Mouse is well know outside the niche

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668571
tick tock Muhammad, the next subathon is coming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69669000
even her popularity is arguable, she's like the kim kardashian of vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>69669116
Ironmouse said that she probably would talk about these things if she were an indie. Can we conclude from this that being in VShojo is restricting her to do certain things?
It's not the same as being an indie, you are part of a group.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69669158
>All those words
>too much for him
Ok zoomer

[Anonymous No.]

>>69668924
Kson was the same way.
Hololive fans basically don't watch Twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69669000
She put a hell of a lot more effort into than Gura does. Plus if you just want to jerk off about sub numbers I don't see you talking about
Jaiden animation or Wolfychu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69669101
>oh good,then why join?
Because they give services, brand power and company that the talents want.

>lmao,dokibird literally showing it that theres no point of joining vshojo or if you want the ex vshojo
Using Doki is pretty stupid because she's a gigantic exception because of the public outcry, no other ex-niji saw even close to her level of success.
>hell look at rushia,she knew theres no point "paying" vshojo when its no different from being indie
She's losing viewers and opportunities because she left so no.

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>>69668928
Can you say that in english, Jamal?

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>>69669101
Look at Henya's numbers compared to Pikamee's or Matara's compared to Ninas. You now have to answer to why people join VShojo.

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>>69668928
Man, it's gonna be wild when Dokibird joins.

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>>69669218
>she were an indie
And this changes what? If she was a part of some informal group as an indie she would be in the same position.
This has nothing to do with being in a company or not

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>>69669158
>unable to focus to read through short paragraph of text
>complains about reading incomprehension

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>>69669345
Matara is too close to the bullies for her to ever join.

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Fame is not the same thing as popularity. She's certainly very famous but hardly the most popular.

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>>69659024
It could've been as simple as "I know this game is divisive but I want to play it and it's as simple as that" if she wanted to remain cordial and shit but no, she had a fucking meltdown like a child on stream and still gave into every demand made of her. It's her own fault.

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>>69669465
They say that about everyone that leaves.
They all come home.

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>>69656920
IN CASE ANYONE WAS WONDERING WHAT SIDE SHE'S ON
https://twitter.com/39daph/status/1633563677248094209
https://twitter.com/39daph/status/1633563677248094209
https://twitter.com/39daph/status/1633563677248094209

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>>69669242
Nobody watches Twitch. That's why it's dying.

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>>69669348
>if she was part of some informal group
Nobody would care, take Mythic talent, a member of that group (Extra Emily) recently said some retarded shit on stream, and the only one who got shit was her, not Filian, not Nyanners, not Shylily... etc, only her.
How many times i heard here that being in VShojo is like being an indie but with company/agency benefits. That's not true now, is it?

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>>69656920
Also why isn't she fighting with random twitter accounts, what is wrong with her???

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>>69669630
>largest streaming platform used by every major company in the world
>backed by amazon and Bezos
lol

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>>69669654
She does. She just does it on stream instead of on Twitter.

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>>69669630
I can't watch it because everytime I open a stream I get a fucking ad

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>>69669669
>largest streaming platform
By what numbers?

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>>69669642
Vshojo talents have said plenty of shit about random things they don't all agree on though. And got shit for it seperately.

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>>69669642
>Nobody would care
Buy she does. That's the point of having a choice

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>>69656920
>I'm dying. please donate money to me.
How are retards still falling for this? It's been almost a decade now

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>>69669624
... that's a literal joke, she's nominated for that category.

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>>69669669
https://streamscharts.com/overview
Not even close.

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>>69669735
Then why this change?
>>69669744
The choice made them to back down on their freedom claims? Only she is bound to this restriction that she imposes on herself?

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>>69669836
>The choice made them to back down on their freedom claims? Only she is bound to this restriction that she imposes on herself?
Yes retard. Just like you impose a limitation on yourself out of your own free will when you marry someone or decide to have a kid

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>>69669946
VShojo says they have talent freedom, yet every single member obeys the law of gravity. Hypocrisy much?

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>>69669749
https://files.catbox.moe/n1uu9z.mp4

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>>69669669
>35% of all employees were laid off last month.
>Amazon treated Twitch as bad debt.
>Many Twitch streamers started streaming on Tiktok/Kick.
I'm by no means saying YT/Tiktok/Insta are great platforms, but Twitch is outdated.

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>>69669946
If it's non-binding (meaning there's no rule) what stops someone from talking about stuff they shouldn't? There's no point for Ironmouse to restrict herself to save the company if someone else has the capacity to do it without being punished. Either you make rules for everyone, to protect them, or you don't and pray someone doesn't fuck up.

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>>69670089
https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2024/02/20/updates-to-subscription-pricing/
And now they're hiking T1 sub prices

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>>69670112
>If it's non-binding (meaning there's no rule) what stops someone from talking about stuff they shouldn't
I don't talk to my parents about my gooning sessions to anime girls. And it's not like I signed something that prevents me from it. Gee what might be limiting me.
Spin harder, fidget kid.

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>>69670203
Turkish lirabros... our tier 1 subs...

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>>69669818

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>>69670222
To me, that's a disaster waiting to happen.

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>>69670317
It says the same thing for Twitch.

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>>69670203
Thats not a price hike, its a conversion rate change to match your currency turning from plastic to dirt. Be thankful they are giving you a break and not making you pay a full $5.99USD.

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>>69670364
right and no one is denying that youtube is a much bigger platform than twitch but twitch is only for streaming, youtube is not

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>>69669818
Besides vtubers and occasional events, I don't know anyone who streams on Youtube. This website also doesn't let you see who's streaming on Youtube without paying either, it's probably majority non-English.

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>>69670385
5 pounds is more than 6 usd

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>>69670426
You think that number includes everyone watching videos?

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>>69664993
And then people ask why is VShojo not liked by other

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>>69657127
Real and Straight

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>>69670539

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>>69668798
>Mouse now is basically a face of Western vtubing,
What's her Twitch average CCV btw??

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>>69670553
The only people who hate them are a terminally here schizos

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>>69670622
The title is "Statistics for YouTube Streaming". There's way more than 8 million people currently watching YouTube videos.

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>>69668798
>at least at par with Gura for the general audience.
Anon, she can't touch Fauna/Bijou/FwMc/Mumei with her average viewership. Forget Gura

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>>69670749
A decent Gura stream beats Mouse's best stream.

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>>69670689
Umm no, it's her inviting more trouble when the members she is talking about have already left????
There are plenty of reasons why not to like VShojo, firstly Froot.
Secondly belive it or not, the Nux drama where despite him being a faggot, he was thrown under the bus by VShojo, etc.

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>>69670830
how the fuck is she '"inviting more trouble" by NOT talking about drama?

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>>69670793
I know it's a meme, but even IRyS a better average CCV than Iron Mouse of you take median CCV of streams or dont include raids

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>>69670912
Imagine if you had to click play or keep the tab open on Twitch.

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>>69670830
anon both those "dramas" were fucking years ago, let it got you fucking loser

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>>69670891
I am not talking about what she said in OP, I am talking about what she said here.
So stop being a retard that just admit VShojo members have fucked up in the past

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>>69670830
all vtuber companies have had drama, vshojo in fact have had less than most

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>>69670967
Yeah, the Froot drama totally didn't happen last year

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Mouse is the face of Vtubing in the west especially to normies and other content creators and streamers.
She got article written about her on Forbes and the Washington post. What she says and comes out of her virtual mouth got more importance than any other vtuber.
She has the rights to self censor herself for the good of her Image, Her agency, her colleagues and the image of Vtubing in general.

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>>69670749
She streams more than any of those people so she usually ends up just below the biggest JP Holos in terms of hours watched. Both attracting and maintaining an audience "count".
Anyway, I think you could easily say Gura or even someone with low CCV like Mori is bigger than Ironmouse. But no one except for holofans knows what a Bijou or Fauna is, whatever their numbers.

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Look at how the VShojo defence force emerge here and they proceed to claim
>Vshojo fans don't lurk the catalog
>>69671014
DYRBI?

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>>69671014
What? They had a member get bullied for playing the wizard game. That member left and said that her and Mouse weren't really friends. Now Mouse's fans hate her.

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>>69670830
VShojo, like Nijisanji, has a huge inferiority complex when it comes to hololive. They keep bringing up talent freedom the same way nijiEN brings family.
They had veibei, who shit talked hololive, and then now, 2 years later wonder why they didn't instantly get a hololive collab.
Silvervale says retarded shit about hololive, and then they wonder why everyone hates them.
Doesn't inform the audition applicants of possible phishing scams because of muh investigation. And then Nux wanted to inform people about it, they fuck up and then publicly shit talk him, like it was his fault and not a miscommunication error.

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>>69671084
>Mouse is the face of Vtubing in the west especially to normies and other content creators and streamers.
>She got article written about her on Forbes and the Washington post. What she says and comes out of her virtual mouth got more importance than any other vtuber.
>She has the rights to self censor herself for the good of her Image, Her agency, her colleagues and the image of Vtubing in general.
Alll this paid PR just for her to be beneath Holo En.
What a sad world

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>>69671084
You're delusional. Mouse is high off her ass a quarter of the time. If anything, her words carry less weight for that alone.

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>>69671120
People genuinely like mouse despite thrashing her /here/. I don't like Nijisanji personally but I would defend Rosemi against anyone.

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>>69656920
>muh talent freedom bad?
Correct

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>>69671254
I don't care about that, I am just saying she should not bother speaking about things like
>"Reeeeee, Hololive fans hate us and their management didn't give Nyanners and Veibae a green light immediately"
Or
>"Reeeeee, I wanted to Collab with mor Hololive members"
She just comes off as a salty bitch.
And Nyanners, Vei themselves are controversial. Just look what happened to those members months after.
And believe it or not, Iron Mouse is directly responsible for most of the Mori hate as well

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It's Twitchfags unable to accept the reality that their entire website is smaller than YouTube streaming.

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>expecting seanigs and zhangs to understand freedom

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>>69671398
Yagoo likes Gunrun's posts. That's the fact.
The rest is just imaginary seethe from sperg's ass.

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>>69671555
He liked a post on LinkedIn. Is that your best argument?

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>>69671599
Where is this from? It looks extremely outdated.

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>>69671398
>Reeeeee, I wanted to Collab with mor Hololive members
Not want to. is going to.

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Iron Mouse fags are insufferable if they actually belive their oshi is the face of Vtubing
>>69671555
He also likes Riku's posts. Your point?
And how is that even slightly related to what I am saying about Iron Mouse ??
I mentioned she is seething over things that don't make sense?
But again, I know VShojo fags are Brazilians who don't know how to read basic English

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>>69671599
https://streamscharts.com/news/q4-2023-global-live-streaming-landscape
Here is the recent version.

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>>69671692
Remember how Iron Mouse begged Mori to mention in her streams such that it seemed Mori was inviting her to Collab with IRyS??
Or the Kiara Collab?
Yeah, lmao

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>>69671617
Yes and he liked several posts. It's the two big men who liked each other works and achievements.
The rest is is just tribalfaggotry from spergs who have no say in both companies.

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>>69671692
The good ones don't even acknowledge your existence

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>>69671790
Are you reading what you're typing? This is like the people making rrats over Twitter follows.

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>>69671790
Yeah, but VShojo talents always take jabs at hololive, why do they do that?

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>>69671759
lmao

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>>69671790
And how is it even slightly related to VShojo talents being insufferable pieces of shit?

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>>69671840
LinkedIn is not twitter.

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>>69671759
>Youtube Gaming 1.29B
>Twitch gaming 4.41B
So what are the other 9 billion non-gaming Youtube watch hours? Televangelists or something?

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>>69671965
Just Chatting isn't gaming

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>>69671985
Right, it's counter differently, look at the graphs in the link.
About 75-80% of the gaming streams are on Twitch, but Youtube has a huge lead in overall streaming because of non-gaming content, probably televangelists and church service livestreams.

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>>69672128
Yes. It includes news coverage, radio shows, and just chatting. Just like Twitch. Except more large media companies use YouTube.

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>>69672307
Oh that's a good point yeah, I've read about news services in some countries (India, Philippines, etc.) moving to Youtube.

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>>69672429
Twitch doesn't have enough copyright protection to be adopted by large media companies.