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69455815 No.69455815 [Reply] [Original]

This wasn't even a very good song, nor did she sing it very well.

>> No.69455932

>>69455815
That's what VTuber music is, mediocre songs by mediocre artists that get far more importance than they warrant because you want to fuck the chuuba. Or in this case, because the chuuba got metaphorically fucked and then her management fucked itself.

>> No.69456038

>>69455932
fpbp

>> No.69456045

>>69455815
It was good enough to send Nijisanji into meltdown.

>> No.69456284

>>69455932
/thread
/board

>> No.69456370

>>69455932
Watame makes more music, and I'm not Welsh.

>> No.69456444

>>69455815
Do you think Elira regrets blocking the MV?

>> No.69456457

>>69455815
She's not a good singer objectively speaking, but she still nailed the shy tomboy vibe very well.

>> No.69456826

>>69456370
Watame is an above average singer, like that girl from highschool that was good at karaokes and won the singing competition in the school.

Most vtubers are below average singers, Selen is an awful singer.

>> No.69456852

>>69456444
>do you think a woman regrets doing shit that blew up in her face?
She's seething with a muzzle clasped to her tweeting fingers, casting death hexes on Dokibird and upper management.

>> No.69456985

>>69455815
it really was the last one

>> No.69457055

>>69456444
Women only learn when the backhand of justice breaks their nose.

>> No.69457109

Her singing sucked as did the tuning on her audio, but the song itself made me cry

>> No.69457187

>>69455815
I love dramatic irony.

>> No.69457646

>>69455932
I dunno what's with people saying this shit. A lot of chuuba music is great and written by top tier composers. The vocals being mediocre doesn't change that.

That said chuubas who can't sing at all like the one in the OP really shouldn't do music stuff just because that's the culture

>> No.69457713

When I first listened to vtubers singing, outside of a handful of actually good singers, most of them sounded average at best but the fans lapped it up and called it amazing and it left me wondering if were even listening to the same song. I'm guessing most vtubers (including Doki) know they're not the best singers but do it anyway because their fans appreciate it. It is what it is.

>> No.69458001

>>69455815
It was extremely cute. That's what matters.

>> No.69458066

>>69457646
>I dunno what's with people saying this shit
Listening to a lot of music does that, you see dogshit for what it is and good music for what it is.

>> No.69458181

>>69457646
Still soulless because you know those commissioned top tier creators aren't doing it for the passion.
Vtuber music will only be good if the vtuber is a musician herself, and a creative one at that.

>> No.69458190

>>69455815
But it was good enough to rile up the emotions of the mass public to go against nijisanji. Whether it was used intentionally is the real question here

>> No.69458254

>>69457646
It's just bad. Like even Ironmouse sounds bad and her songs aren't good, and supposedly she's a god tier singer. At best you can say some of them obviously got into vtubing to LARP as singers or idols, but it's just a nudge above anime convention quality.

>> No.69458278

>>69455815
it was never about the song, always about sending a message

>> No.69458432

>>69455932
fpbp

>> No.69458949
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69458949

>>69455815
I'm not autistic enough to know if this is entirely accurate but here's my assessment

>> No.69459708

>>69458278
It was about locking horns with management over financially irresponsible projects over and over then throwing a shitfit of suicidal proportions.

>> No.69459934

>>69455932
Saying all music is shit makes you look very cool anon, now please take your opinion and hang it for everyone to see beside you

>> No.69460113

>>69455932
I mean, yes. What makes it special is because it was sung and made by someone you like especially for you.

>> No.69460180

>>69460113
>especially for you
...and thousands, tens of thousands, of other people, cuck

>> No.69460293

>>69460180
>I can't enjoy something because other people are enjoying it even though their enjoyment of this thing does not detract in any way from my experience

You might live a less miserable life without the paranoia of being cucked at every opportunity

>> No.69460338

>>69460180
Lol this is a Vtuber board faggot. Go to a club if you want 1 on 1 service by a woman.

>> No.69460378

>>69455815
>NijiEN self-destructed over a mediocre cover
Damn, sucks to be them!

>> No.69462109

>>69455815

She likes singing thats all there is to it. Fuck off

>> No.69462799

>>69455815
Good enough for Selen to krill herself over it

>> No.69463589

It is kind of funny that so much drama erupted over a pretty mediocre song
Nijisanji is still retarded though, and harmed the entire industry in EN with their retardation.

>> No.69463848

she's a horrible singer, just like she's a horrible person and horrible at playing games. sasuga grifter

>> No.69463988
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>>69455932
How do we respond to this dookibros ?

>> No.69464065

>>69455815
I like it, I still click on it every time it's in my home page

>> No.69464132

>>69458278
Kiara also opened up. She sent a request with hundreds of songs she wanted to cover, she put in a lot of effort in compiling the list, and expected at least a few would be approved. They were all denied, and she moved on and was sad but might try again another time. It's so weird that she didn't just go over management and cover them anyway. Why would she do that? Why didn't she send a message and show who's the boss?

>> No.69464136

>>69463988
We don't. Selen isn't a good singer but that's not why anyone watches the video. Although I think her singing is perfectly acceptable and not hard on the ears at all.

>> No.69464202

I would probably listen to a rap call out song by dramabird where she tries to sing and call out all the bullies by name.

>> No.69464271

>>69463848
She's a successful "grifter". Doki's channel is gaining subs and views. NijiEN by contrast is in free-fall.

>> No.69464680

>>69455932
This
The amount of people who actually talk up Suisei is unreal

>> No.69464789

>>69456444
has there been any signs of life from her or does anycolor have her locked in a room without Internet access?

>> No.69464883

>>69464271
That's true but I can't say any of her streams have been enjoyable. Who knows, maybe people love it and I'm in the minority.

>> No.69465088
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69465088

>>69455932
Watching Vtubers trying to cover Ado songs is hilarious. You can just tell the difference between their power levels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgXpM4l_MwI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-PoMeOtSsE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-J5FmQhugs
Still, I have when the chuuba is having fun.

>> No.69465128
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69465128

>>69458949
This is slander. You put Rosemi in cannot fucking sing right now.

>> No.69465140

>>69457646
>A lot of chuuba music is great and written by top tier composers
And then given to some cosplay whore that thinks she's a pro singer because she was above average last karaoke night.

>> No.69465176

>>69465088
Some are passable tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps0dCY1l_Xs

>> No.69465210

>>69464789
Riku shot her in the head.

>> No.69465230

>>69465088
God, every time that starts playing automatically on Mori's channel I cringe, at least it's not as bad as the song that starts on Kiara's channel.

>> No.69465357

When I hear vtuber music I automatically get the same vibes as random eurotrash music made for young kids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjWZw_F6aEs

>> No.69467188

>>69455932
>vtuber_mv.pptx
>slide_1.jpg
>slide_2.jpg
>slide_3.gif
>slide_4.jpg
>slide_5.jpg
Proceed to print money

>> No.69468395

>>69455815
There's a reason she had to do the rap part in Obsydia's original song.
That said, she's adorable when she's attempting to sing so dragoons are here for it.

>> No.69468533

>>69464132
pussy + least successful in her gen.

>> No.69468784
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>>69455815
It was meant to be a "goodbye love song" to her best friend Pomu. That sentiment is more important than its objective quality

>> No.69468838

>>69468533
Yeah, I can't believe she doesn't just make and release those covers. Just release them and claim her break was due to suicidal ideation and send their lawyers huge rant legal document claiming Mori and Gura bullied her. What are they going to do? Terminate her?

>> No.69468969

>>69468784
It really isn't. Impression management and all that taken to narcissistic degrees of being a prima donna.

>> No.69469003

>>69455815
Gween tea

>> No.69469085

>>69468969
>narcissist
sure thing elira

>> No.69469119

>>69468969
This message doesn't make sense. Are you a bot?

>> No.69469354

>>69465088
Mori's seems pretty good to me.

>> No.69469684

>>69456826
>Selen is an awful singer.
how dare you talk shit about the (current) george floyd of vtubing

>> No.69469906

I'm kinda sad that I'll never be able to listen to Millie's covers in good conscience again, I kinda liked them.

>> No.69469968

Do people really think all vtubers are shitty singers? Some are actually good like Miori and Ironmouse.

>> No.69470006

>>69455815
Then it was pretty stupid for a company to sink it's reputation and stock price over, wasn't it?

>> No.69470559

>>69469085
>>69469119
In any situation there is always going to be one or two people that stand out. Birthdays, anniversaries, weddings, graduations charity evens, and so on; the person is always going to be the one that makes an extravagant or abnormal contribution, publicly. Now, it's a very underdeveloped sense of morality and social intelligence to only look at the final results, and then rank them based on how extravagant their contributions are. A child giving a hand drawn card to a family member is much more sincere and heartfelt that someone giving an expensive car. Likewise, an anonymous donation is going to arguably be more sincere than a very public donation to charity. It's not necessarily evil, because it can have good overall consequences, but the intent is shallow and it's almost always due to some form of impression management.
The reason they do it of course is because it works. There will always be people that sing their praises, like you, people that don't really think and have less mental development. There is nothing wrong with releasing a cover video either, as long as it's under the guise of they made it because they wanted to make it and wanted popularity from it. That's honest and you can really respect that. To replies that try to make out that it's really genuine and this is just jaded and I can't feel empathy, it's obviously the opposite. I recognize the good intentions, but I also recognize the impression management strategies. I can make distinctions between when someone does something completely selflessly, and when they have some selfish motivating factors. Getting people to donate to charities is fine too and is usually part of a successful charity campaign.

>> No.69470625

>>69464680
Bro I got people who ACTUALLY think Suisei is Ado

>> No.69470710

>>69464789
currently making up for the loss from investors buy sexually pleasing all share holders. we predict her service to be done in...

>> No.69470714

>>69470559
yea aint reading your vomit nigger

>> No.69470719

>>69455932
retard, tons of them are excellent, including literal whos
>>69467188
retard, this video style is part of the culture and has been since the early days of vocaloid if not before

>> No.69470819

>>69456284
finally... the board is over...

>> No.69470891

>>69455815
>nijisanji killed itself over a cover that wasn't even that good

kek

>> No.69471022

>>69464680
I agree with main take, but suisei is a good singer actually.
btw, 95% of all jap music is generic, boring and sounds the same

>> No.69471382

>>69471022
>I agree with main take, but suisei is a good singer actually.
Agreed. IMX people who shit on Suisei are either just incorrigible contrarians (on my 4chan??) or are deep into the scene and have impossibly high standards. They could use some perspective on how rare top-tier singing talent really is. Maybe 10% of the general population reaches my standard for "competent at singing" (and vtubers are definitely overrepresented there). If you don't believe me just try getting involved in any fan project that involves singing
>btw, 95% of all jap music is generic, boring and sounds the same
Understandable take though I'm not that cynical. But it's equally true of every other culture's music honestly.

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>>69470559

>> No.69471719

>>69470559
tl;dr she sounds too nice so yellow bird bad

despite the fact that she actively discouraged sending money to herself during her hiatus and instead listed charities to donate instead.

despite the fact that money that would be donated to her is instead going directly to the charity.
dumbass.

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>>69455932
i mean.. yeah, thats the whole point. there's a bunch of good music out there that i dont really care. but id listen to my oshi's song even if its above average or mediocre because i like her.

>> No.69472994

>>69464271
thats true, thats the one thing I'll give her. She is a master at grifting. Suicide bait, charity donations, sad sack pity party...she's playing all the hits and making a fortune off of it

>> No.69473087

>>69469968
and they often pick a style of music that doesn't fit their voice and it sounds like shit.
>muh pop idol
You can even get by with mediocre voice if you play to its strenght

>> No.69474206

Seethe some more Millie.

>> No.69477996

>>69455815
stfu Elira

>> No.69479910

>>69455815
What's your point Nijisister? because she does't sing well you can bully her to death?

>> No.69480475

>>69458949
>nina
>cannot sing
I get not liking her music but this is just not true.

>> No.69480562

>>69455815
and tried to kill herself....

>> No.69482105

>>69455932
then you get bangers like homenobi

>> No.69485295

>>69472179
Towa please

>> No.69486144

>>69472994
She def got a PR agent

>> No.69486267

>>69455932
Kaguya luna music was nice

>> No.69486451

>>69455815
This
I almost become her anti after hear this cover

>> No.69486518

>>69455815
>nijiEN imploded by a cup of coffee
something smells.. fishy.

>> No.69486942

>>69465088
>power levels
>Meloco-chan vs horse girl
ngl, I'm actually seething wtf

>> No.69487001

>>69455815
As much as i like doki, i hated that she sung this song. This song is such a sadcore song by lillypichu who uses depression as a persona. It's super fucking annoying hearing her sing about death like its some sort of high fashion scarf

>> No.69487646

>>69465088
Meloco sounds fine. A real examples of power levels is Magia by Nerissa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gaf2ozNgOs8 she really bit more than she could chew.

>> No.69488225

>>69470719
>and has been since the early days of vocaloid if not before
migu.swf mogs all of this shlock lol

>> No.69488612

>>69469684
I'm a dragoon. She is awful at singing. But she knows it and she tries her best with his lack of skills by overdoing production and picking songs that require little singing. which is cute.

>> No.69489221

>>69458949
Enna is the best singer in all of EN, possibly all vtubers period. Elira needs to be in the OK section and Pomu, Yugo, Millie moved to actual singers for this to be accurate.

>> No.69489524

>>69487646
That sounds good Anon. What's wrong with it?

>> No.69489888

>>69489221
Making Enna deepthroat your cock until she can never sing again as punishment for bullying

>> No.69491495

>>69471022
>btw, 95% of all jap music is generic, boring and sounds the same
go listen to your chimp rhymes then, amerishart

>> No.69491538

>>69455932
>t. listens to mumble rap

>> No.69491601

>>69458181
You shit on Mori for being both of those things

>> No.69491602

>>69491495
>there's only two kinds of music in the world: jap and rap

>> No.69491657

>>69455815
>nor did she sing it very well
at least she made an attempt

>> No.69491686

>>69467188
https://youtu.be/YPm9T622OX0?si=8pbT-RbHpI-oiiJG
yeah dude totally

>> No.69491769

one thing not mentioned in this thread yet is that doki also sang this song when she announced her graduation in 2021, when she was accepted into nijiEN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuB7bs5w0s8
selen covering this song was likely a prelude for those in-the-know that she was thinking of leaving niji soon. the suspension only solidified it.

>> No.69491856

>>69488225
>mogs
You have to be over 18 to post here

>> No.69491901

>>69463988
Certainly not by frogposting.
Begone with you.

>> No.69491925

>>69491769
Oh she DEFINITELY had one leg out the door, no question about it. Probably what set this whole thing off.

>> No.69492016

Too many good, amazing, obvious comments.
>>69470006
But this sums it all up for me lmao

>> No.69492040

>>69455932
> mediocre song
They cover popular songs from the most popular artists, you pretentious twat.

>> No.69492138

>>69458066
It's not your experience that causes that. It's your narcissism.

>> No.69492210

>>69458066
What do you listen to then, you pretentious fedora-tipping bandkid?

>> No.69492297

>>69492040
>popular
>good

Music doesn't work like that, you ignorant music pleb. Go listen to some Justin Bieber then.

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>>69491856
sorry that im 11 and I came from tiktok, what will you do about it: ban me? ill use the time to enjoy the drama of real sports instead while u idiots use ur daddys credit cad to blow ur cash on youtube insted of a slut.

>> No.69492450

>>69458181
> Vtuber music will only be good if the vtuber is a musician herself
Total stupidity. You could create good music about whatever you can imagine: dragons, fairies, and ducks. Also, skill always trumps passion, plus payment and passion aren't mutually exclusive.

>> No.69492461

doesn't matter enna, kys

>> No.69492606

.... I like Azki songs and karaoke stream and watame as well

>> No.69492723

>>69465140
Everyone who can sustain their life through singing is a pro regardless of your opinion. Vtubers who make bank are objectively more professional than part timers.

>> No.69492785

>>69468969
You are using words you don't understand again, esl.

>> No.69492968

>>69455932
i legit think gura right now is a really good singer.
her technical skills have improved tons since she joined holo. even ame sounds half decent when she's trying.

>> No.69492998

>>69489221
eh, i think reimu's better, if we're talking about dynamism and range. but yeah, ennas good.

>> No.69493028

move aside plebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs_OxX5TEW8

>> No.69493077

>>69492297
> The popular artists are bad!
Mediocre artists do not get popular, they merely cope like you do. That is not only how music works. It is how all skill works. If your talent is not recognized, then you have no talent.

>> No.69493133

>>69455932
I do want to fuck Selen, but it was a good SOVL performance.
Some vtuber music is banger, and I say this as someone who usually hates pop music.

>> No.69493228

>>69492431
abayo

>> No.69493370

>>69493077
Uhhhh no. It's more about luck and connections. You know, like vtubing. There's a lot of talented people whom you'll never hear.
t. Music School Grad

>> No.69493830 [DELETED] 

>>69455815
>>69455932

Enna is a true songbird. Her voice would would fit right in JRPG soundtracks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUGVQqGoZps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv4vIggzKOs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2loamECr_9M&t=118s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Bw_e3qXII

>> No.69493881

>>69493370
kwab

>> No.69494055

>>69492297
Actually, that's exactly how being good works. Things become popular when many people think they are good. Your opinion is no better than the people you think are plebs. There will always be someone more musically educated than you that likes these songs.

>> No.69494119

>>69494055
I guess Niji is good because Niji is popular.
Always knew Selen was a piece of shit.

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69494268

>>69455815
>>69455932

Enna is a true songbird. Her voice would would fit right in JRPG soundtracks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUGVQqGoZps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv4vIggzKOs
https://youtu.be/2loamECr_9M?t=118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Bw_e3qXII

>> No.69494305

>>69493370
> It's just luck and connections.
That's a comforting thought if you think you are more talented than you actually are, but it's total bullshit. This is the age of YouTube and easy mass reach. Anyone actually talented will make it, and everyone that does not deserves it.

>> No.69494351

>>69455815
I liked it personally and the MV was great
Her orisong was better tho

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>> No.69494623

>>69494119
> I guess Niji is good because Niji is popular.
Unironically yes. They purpose of a vcorp is to help the talents become popular, and in that aspect, they are good. This board would not be talking about them if they weren't.
> So selen is bad!
Selen is also popular, so even with that logic she is good. You are only confused because in your simpleminded brain, you apparently cannot comprehend how two entities, good in different ways, can go against one another, so you assume one of them must be bad.

>> No.69494908

>>69494305
>Anyone actually talented will make it, and everyone that does not deserves it.

Super funny when we're talking in a thread specifically about clique and nepotism. And the success of fuwamoco and their PL is basically a middle finger towards "easy mass reach".

There are a ton of musicians with musics that became classics years or even decades after the release, many of which happened after the band has disbanded or left the industry.

>> No.69495480

>>69494268
No joke, as terrible as she may be personality wise and on other Vtuber aspects to the point she lied about it in her interview, her voice is top notch and pretty terrific. It's most likely why besides being friends with Elira that Nijisanji hired her and gave her the bird avatar.

>> No.69495518

>>69470625
They've got the same voice type. Suisei just trained traditionally and Ado was very untraditional. If anybody calls either of them a bad singer, I have to question their ears. Although I think Ado needs a bit more live practice after hearing her shows, Suisei showed on the first take she can do live shows very well.

>> No.69496984

>>69468838
try harder NDF sister

Kiara didn't get singled out and reprimanded while others in her branch were favored and got way more shit

>> No.69497101

>>69489221
yeah but good singing doesn't excuse mean girl clique ugh

>> No.69497164

>>69493370
yeah like zac Efron in hsm1

>> No.69497277

>>69497101
2 years personality correction in a monastery and she can try again. I expect her to be relatively ok since Elira fucked up so spectacularly.

>> No.69497473

>>69458949
Singing is not about good or bad it's about having fun.

>> No.69497798

>>69455932
>mediocre songs by mediocre artists that get far more importance than they warrant because you want to fuck the artist

congratulations. you just described the majority of pop music.

>> No.69497873

>>69455815
Seethe more Millie, that Cover MV had more soul than anything you've put out.

>> No.69498056

>>69457646
but the credit should go to the composer, in that case, not the vtuber.

>> No.69498352

>>69497473
That's karaoke, not singing. singing is about being good.

>> No.69498953

>>69470719
>the culture
mostly because of yes-man enablers like you.

>> No.69499233

>>69495518
People who say Suisei is bad are either contrarians or never listened to any of her songs outside the most popular one or both

>> No.69499283

>>69498953
I can find plenty of very well made MVs that aren’t glorified powerpoints
All of them come from hololive or HimeHina tho

>> No.69500172

>>69455932
And what makes YOU the expert on that, basement-dwelling retard?

>> No.69500213

>>69455815
>>69455932
contrarian faggots

>> No.69500362

>>69455815
It was cute and sweet but the fact that it was the background for NijiEN getting BTFO'd catapults it into legendary status

>> No.69500438

>>69491601
because Mori picked the worst music for her voice and skillset. get her some fucking jazz or some shit, she cannot rap to save her life

>> No.69500765

>>69500438
She made plenty of Jazz but she mixed it with rap

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