/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

So. What now? Will they just sit there in silence for eternity? Legal procedures take time.

[Anonymous No.]

Well talking and addressing the public certainly hasn't helped

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264018
>Will they just sit there in silence for eternity?
Which is what they should've done in the first place.

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>>69264018
They all need to publicly speak up and start attacking doki more. This silence only means they are admitting fault. Nijisanji is clean.

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>>69264018
Yes. The new rrat is that one of them got caught lying, trying to spread shit in the big indie community behind the scenes that Doki was bad and Niji was actually just a poor sad little corpo that needed help from an evil single person that somehow destroyed their years of good will and good image they had established. So now they're back to shitting on them. Could be true could be fake.

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>>69264018
>Will they just sit there in silence for eternity?
That would be the smart thing to do, so they most likely won't.

[Anonymous No.]

They need to either publicly sue for defamation or post all evidence possible and fight off any legal bull shit Doki would try. Leaving the situation like this would be a permanent stain on their reputation

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264018
I sure fucking hope so. I want to wake up one day and Doki's randomly smiling for some inexplicable reason with a new sense of relief and cheer. This kind of shit is exhausting.

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>>69264018
The rrat says they're waiting for things to cool off before making another attempt at framing doki as the bad guy through influencers

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264018
rrat: JP management hired a professional translator to translate all EN chat logs, and now a lot of things are coming up to light.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264018
yes every time they talked it got worse for them

[Anonymous No.]

If they didn't have that struggle session black stream it's likely nobody would be talking about anything.
The Riku bow could've been interpreted as just him calming the investors and that those retarded pronoun having gaijin were flipping out over the usage of the word "negligible".
But clique bitches are so vindictive and petty that they couldn't help themselves.

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>>69264018
Ideally, if there's a single competent braincell? Abso-fucking-lutely. Settle with doki behind closed doors, restructure the branch's whole fucking infrastructure and drop any organs that were part of the problem, and lay low for like half a year. Maybe one more public statement that's just an apology, announcement of new management, and a promise to do better and NOTHING ELSE, otherwise just quietly clean up shit behind the scenes and move on.

Organs stream as normal. Normie dramafags get bored and move on. Keep management tight behind the scenes so you don't get publicly humiliated again. Reputation will still be low for a while but eventually you'll be trusted again and it will just be put down to bad management that you cleaned out, and profits continue. Easy peasy.

They are entirely in this mess because they didn't sit in silence and solve legal shit in private.

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>>69264916
You retards really believe Doki was bullied with no evidence while choosing to go against 30 people who were present during the entire thing and you think you're the smart ones

I can't fucking wait for some journalist tuber to pick Doki apart so public opinion will shift to shitting on Doki for misleading the public

[Anonymous No.]

I honestly don't think Dokis gonna be able to keep her fans calm and sedated for much longer if Nijisanji keeps trying to take potshots at her.

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>>69265111
>you retards really believe Doki was bullied with no evidence
It was on the statement nijisanji released when she was terminated. They actually put it in writing in front of millions of people that she was being harassed. So yes, everyone believes this. It's possible nijisanji is lying about this, I guess is what you're trying to say.

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>>69264018
best thing they can do imo
let the heat cool off and make the public move on. they more they stir shit the slower people will forget

[Anonymous No.]

>>69265111
Nijisanji are the ones who mentioned bullying publicly in the first place and proceeded to name those bullies in Elira's stream. Doki didn't mislead the public because she wasn't the first to mention it publicly, only in private between her and nijisanji.

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>>69265111
nijisanji said it first before doki

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>>69265111

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>>69264018
monday
don't ask

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>>69265111
How do you live like this? You're mad over something you don't know about because you don't know about it.

[Anonymous No.]

They're moving to whisper campaigns, but scraping the barrel for allies.

Since Kyo/Enna's leak to Daph flopped, they've moved on to ask her music guy to boost the NDF "expose", even though he finds the BPD reveal icky.

https://twitter.com/PrettyPatterns_/status/1758549448794230887

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>>69265111
No, I believe that the beloved streamer who paid artists and organized stuff for her fans is more trustworthy than the company that has revolving doors for talent and has been known to treat them in shitty ways. Fucking retard.

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>>69265632
Isn't the BPD thing their entire argument?

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>>69264018
They are preparing the grand ritual of dark sorcery.
Once cast, the spell will destroy themselves.

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>>69265111
How many graduations/terminations has NijiEN had anon
Top talent too, it went over peacefully but people still remember Pomu, and that members stream they leaked

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264857
How would they sue for defamation? Everything bad about their company they said themselves! They're the ones that leaked the legal document and commented on the bullying and harassment. The original termination notice was the one that talked about bullying and harassment too, before Dokibird ever made a tweet.

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>>69264688
Based drama anon, I'm also hoping for that to happen.

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>>69265111
>fishing for (You)s
>NDFtard
Which is it

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264857
>They need to either publicly sue for defamation or post all evidence possible and fight off any legal bull shit Doki would try.
This. Would be the best way for them to lose any workplace harassment claim. It would also kill any chance of recovery.

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>>69265632
do we know who they actually were able to get to their side?

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>>69265249
>>69265304
>>69265342
>>69265878


All of you fuckers say the exact same thing without knowing what you're saying. If I say

>"I was never there , any claims of me being there aren't true"
Then you say
>YEAH YOU WERE

You're still the one making the claim that needed to be proven. Not me. Learn how the real world works

[Anonymous No.]

I'm already prepping for everyone to try and memory hole this drama until the next niji liver actually ends up committing suicide for real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69265249
>>69265304
It baffles me that people seem to forget this. They literally admitted their guilt.

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>>69266095
Any defamation case about her claims would require them to win the workplace harassment case, which they managed to already lose barring any major developments.

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>>69266095
But she hasn’t claimed that she wasn’t bullied either. So why are you making this stupid “I wasn’t there” argument? Nijisanji is making retarded claims and exacerbating rrats at this point. But you are a disingenuous retard.

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>>69266095
>you're still the one making the claim that needed to be proven. Not me. Learn how the real world works

okay retard who can't check timestamps on twitter

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>>69264018
I dunno what they will do, but what i would do is terminate all the talents involved. Make a public statement for the fans saying that we are changing all our management and enlarging it with full fluent english/japanese speakers. And apologise to the fans and ask for their compreension that this will never happen again.
This would work ? I don't think so, but at last will appease the public a little.

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>>69266095
lol lmao retard alert

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>>69266293
Well, let's see the evidence given for "workplace harassment"

It doesn't fucking exist. The only thing to go off of is Elira and Vox stating multiple people questioned Selen about her recent actions which they think doesn't constitute as harassment. Legally speaking, a co-worker criticizing your actions done in the workplace is not harassment. You will eventually lose the narrative

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>>69266095
>You're still the one making the claim that needed to be proven.
You said Doki mislead the public, but what everyone's bringing up is that she only talked about this in PRIVATE and that nijisanji brought it up publicly in the first place. Which means your claim is verifiably false. Any claim doki has made in private should have been between her, the company, and the courts.

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>>69266293
It would have to be some pretty major fucking development, considering that they openly admitted in the termination notice that they had fired her for reporting the workplace harassment

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>>69266539
>co-worker criticizing your actions done in the workplace is not harassment

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>>69266539
Anything can be misconstrued as harassment when you’re cute. It doesn’t matter if the harassment was just management telling livers to speak to Doki and say it’ll take time for her requests to be approved. Doki will win even harder and Nijisanji will seethe more

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>>69265111
>focus on doki
But what about all the graduations?
>no, focus on doki
But what about the history of harassment?
>NO, FOCUS ON DOKI
But what about the 2%?
>NOOOO FOCUS ON DOKIIIII!
But what about the playbuttons?
>DOOOOKIIIIIIIII REEEEEEE
But where does the 'black company' meme come from?
>YOU ARE GOING TO LOOK SO FOOLISH IF YOU DONT FOCUS ON DOKI ALONE!

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>>69266539
Anon, they wrongfully terminated her for not rescinding her claims. After her termination, they shared protected documents with the alleged harassers, some of who organized a livestream to talk about the contents and deny her claims publicly. It's hard to fuck up this bad unintentionally.

[Anonymous No.]

They should start terminating talents. It doesn't absolve the company and the alleged bullies will never get the opportunity to try and apologize for their actions - as indies they'll never be able to do damage control on their own. Their dwindling diehard fans will forever be fighting off trolls and antis. Firing talents wouldn't restore trust in the company, it would hurt the company's future prospects and it makes no attempt to actually fix the problem.
So basically it fits their pattern of behavior!

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>>69266547
>Any claim doki has made in private should have been between her, the company, and the courts.

She literally released a statement publicly saying she attempted suicide because of "bullying within the company and a toxic work environment". That is a public claim that Nijisanji said wasn't true in advance. Saying the claim made in the lawsuit isn't true isn't a claim, it's a defense against the claim or future claims. Selen blaming her suicide on bullying in Nijisanji is the claim that caused the reputation of Nijisanji to drop.

It's textbook defamation

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>>69266056
Given how even normie sentiment via Asmon/Pyro/Moist/etc. is overwhelmingly in support of Doki against Nijisanji, the best they can manage is friends who are willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that it might be "more complicated" and perhaps "both sides are to blame".

Even then, they can't seem to get them to eat it up 100%:
>Daph says "fuck corpos tho" because edgy zoomer, so no Niji support
>Diego wants to keep his company recording deals, so he says "eeeh, BPD callouts are too far", so not a total dismissal of Doki

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>>69266539
>not released to the public = doesn't exist
Yeah I'm sure the next time your employer does a hit job on you, you just shit talk them in public instead of saying as little as possible while letting your lawyer take care of it.

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>>69266881
They would have to prove that it was false in order to sue Doki who lives in Canada for defamation.

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>>69266790
The funny part is that Doki never even mentioned harassment publicly. Nijisanji just came out and shit out, “Doki is accusing our management and livers of harassment” and Doki never even confirmed or denied anything. She’s winning just by existing

[Anonymous No.]

>>69266723
>Constant and unfair criticism

Implying critiquing her was constant and that criticizing her breaking of the company rules is unfair

[Anonymous No.]

>>69266881
She never announced her reasons for quitting untill Niji released them retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69266881
Then she doesn’t say who bullied her. Then Niji comes out and names names of talents who are listed in private documents to be shared between lawyers that somehow got read by Elira, Vox (who apparently went over them very thoroughly), Enna, and Millie. Idk sounds like Nijisanji foot in mouthed their response a little bit and this “textbook defamation” is going to be a little more complicated

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>>69264018
Maybe a third crack at it will finally get people to Respect the Activity Rules enough and this whole thing will blow over

[Anonymous No.]

>>69266881
>She literally released a statement publicly saying she attempted suicide because of "bullying within the company and a toxic work environment".
Because nijisanji made it public first.
>That is a public claim that Nijisanji said wasn't true in advance.
Glad we agree nijisanji brought it up first.
>Saying the claim made in the lawsuit isn't true isn't a claim, it's a defense against the claim or future claims.
nigga do you even listen to yourself? They are claiming that her claim isn't true without evidence.
>Selen blaming her suicide on bullying in Nijisanji is the claim that caused the reputation of Nijisanji to drop.
What caused their rep to drop was the termination letter being openly hostile and the video their livers put out. Doki's tweet just confirmed what nijisanji already said.

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>>69265632
lmao the embed starting off with "not trying to minimize the impact of mental health but,". these people are deranged. even enna's music buddies are psychopaths... how could you think this was a good thing to signal boost?

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>>69265632
Did anyone even agree with Daph or did her chat just call her a stupid cunt?

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>>69264018
Anytime they make a statement.
>haha the said something I can't believe they would be this stupid
>they shouldn't say anything
Any day they don't make a statement.
>haha they didn't say anything I can't believe they're this stupid
>they should say something
Dramafags really do need constant drama to feed the ever hungry dramabird.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264018
Yes. They were the last to sling mud. Doki just took it and refused to post any receipts.

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>>69267358
Please. You're always going to get pushback, but clearly releasing a timely statement that attempts to deescalate the situation and describes steps to improve would be received better than calling a former employee a heinous bitch who got what was coming to her. Even if she was, they're an entertainment company - it's the job of the management to take those sorts of hits so their talents can keep on making money.
Even if all you care about is making money, the GESTURE of doing the right thing will help you.

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>>69264018
unironically they had a chance to win before enna and the others did their thing, now its over for them, they will simply try to reflect the blame on others, and then on each other until the company fires them, in any case kurosanji is the best lolcow of the year so far.

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>>69267200
>This didn't happen
>Selen is now compelled by Pazuzu to say it did happen instead of saying nothing

She still is making the claim. No amount of coping makes it untrue.

> do you even listen to yourself? They are claiming that her claim isn't true without evidence

I didn't know you have to disprove your own guilt instead of the accuser having to prove your guilt. My bad, I thought we were still operating on logic and common sense

>What caused their rep to drop was the termination letter being openly hostile

Have fun proving that one when Doki immediately posted her claims the second she saw the notice and every headline + video mentions her suicide attempt that only she mentioned

[Anonymous No.]

>>69267854
Anon, you seem to have missed the part where they have to prove that she made false claims.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264018
There is at least one more graduation in the pipeline and they're trying to figure out how to manage it
Source: I hallucinated it

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>>69266095
>You're still the one making the claim that needed to be proven
Nijisanji released the statement saying she failed to deal with harassment and bullying before Doki ever spoke about it

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>>69267048
Here's another thing that bothers me. Doki in her Neopets stream makes a random claim that it was illegal to share the document to livers. Doki did not consult her lawyers or actually have confirmation it was illegal to share. Later on, she says there were issues with translations and that law is complicated

People are taking her random, not lawyer verified claim of something being illegal as gospel like fucking idiots, she doesn't know anything about laws

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>>69264018
I think they are going to sue Doki. I would rather they settled, and I am sure she would too. They have proven again and again to always take the most brash and vindictive route. Fortunately they are going to lose, given they've also shown how routinely incompetent at anything legal.

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>>69267048
The company is suing her for defamation to the company. Not the livers, grow a fucking brain, you reject

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>>69267358
Nijisanji had plenty of opportunities to solve this in a way that doesn't just feed every single dramafag and rrat on the damn board. Hell I literally saw people trying to calm everyone down, move on, and let the courts settle shit until Nijisanji decided to make that video on Eliras channel right when Doki was streaming Neopets.

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>>69264688
>>69266026

So do they coordinate ir just samefag with these circlejerks?

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>>69266931
very true, and I'm pretty sure even those who are very much friends/on good terms with the clique would probably be hesitant to speak on their side since the publics perception on Niji is so terrible and Doki's so positive that even if they don't fuck it up (which is essentially impossible considering ho badly they screwed up twice already) they put their own reputations at risk

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>>69268264
>The company is suing her for defamation to the company
and where exactly did niggersanji claimed they're going to sue?

>Inb4 it came to me in a dream

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>>69268180
It's pretty clear what happened. The document she sent was protected by Canadian law. However, it's required in Japan for companies to inform parties involved of a potential lawsuit. Unfortunately, someone didn't realize that the document was still protected before sharing it.

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>>69264873
Good thing they only picked up the most moronic dregs in the sphere thus far. I'd they sniff around they might get SSNiperwolf to slander Doki on their behalf.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69267975
The only evidence to any claim of harassment are what Vox and Elira said. Justified criticism for breaking company rules publicly, doubling down, throwing the manager under the bus and refusing to mend the situation is not harassment

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>>69268493
Anon, they don't want to go to court. Any subpoena would obliterate them.

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>>69267854
Apparently you don't understand what I was talking about so I'll try to educate you.
>Saying the claim made in the lawsuit isn't true isn't a claim
>Saying the claim isn't true isn't a claim
Now let's go look at the definition of claim.
>an assertion of the truth of something
>an assertion of something as a fact
Can you see what I've been trying to tell you? "Saying the claim isn't true" is in fact a claim because they're asserting that "someone elses claim is false" is the truth.
>Have fun proving that one
Who posted first? Nijisanji. Boom, easy, proven.
>every headline + video mentions her suicide attempt that only she mentioned
Her attempted suicide is the result and can be medically proven since she had to go to a hospital. It can't be in dispute because it's a fact of the case. The causes are the only things that could be in dispute.

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>>69268180
The FULL document was illegal to share. Niji lawyers showed the parts of document that were legal to share. Since Vox said "He throughly read through the entire document" or whatever she assumed that they leaked an entire document. Turns out it was just Vox being a retard.

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>>69266836
And it would be especially hurtful to Niji if they fire someone who WASN'T harassing Doki, but claim that the talent they fired was. They do that, Doki and her lawyer show her receipts to a judge within 24 hours.
And since they admitted in the white paper that they fired Doki for reporting harassment, she may win on summary judgement; i.e. Niji automatically loses, and the rest of the trial is looking at everyone's receipts to determine who should pay Doki, and how much they should pay

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>>69267027
>Selen gets reprimanded and then terminated for making the company look bad
>Elira, Vox, and Ike absolutely tank the public opinion of the company
>Selen gets reprimanded and then terminated for leaking classified information
>Elira, Vox, and Ike leak classified information from a legal document that is part of a lawsuit

Unless those three are terminated for this, criticizing her for doing the shit they've done is unfair.

[Anonymous No.]

Nah they are dead. NijiEN reputation is on par with pic related during the react copyright drama.
They did all the things the anons here and from different threads have said like laying low, restructuring, removing the bad apples, withdrawing their case, paying those affected with settlements etc.
Like NijiEN they shot themselves in the foot with their statements regarding their respective controversies which killed any potential future growth and interest that they had.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69266146
The Nijisisters didn’t forget it, they just pretend like it never happened.
This isn’t about right and wrong to them but rather about defending ”milord” and slandering Doki.

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>>69265111
>Don't look for the truth
Fuck off NDFaggot

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>>69268493
Mob mentality and ganging up on your colleague is indeed workplace harassment, especially in Canada.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69268893
also forgot like NijiEN they also had some diehard supporters who wanted to turn the negative public opinion against them by painting the people who brought up the react trademark as evil and it also backfired and failed.

[Anonymous No.]

does anyone know when this might've been?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69265111

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>>69267358

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>>69268565
>"Saying the claim isn't true" is in fact a claim

You're a retard. Saying a claim isn't true is a denial. We're talking legality, not semantics.


>Who posted first? Nijisanji. Boom, easy, proven

We're past that argument, it doesn't matter who posted it first because the one who made damaging claims to Nijisanji was not Nijisanji. It was Doki who claimed her suicide was a result of workplace harassment. Any lawyer could prove no harassment took place and cast doubt on her reason given on her suicide attempt easily

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>>69265632
lmao, literally birds of a feather bully together

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264018
They will pretend nothing happened, to Disney Mode it as a means to memory-hole the viewers. And the remainers will eat it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69268548
Livers in Niji have already gone to court and have not had their identities leaked

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>>69268893
I'm betting on a slow decline and never a true death. Even if they're a shit branch of a shit company, they're still a recognizable brand, and there are a million 1views that think that it could be their big break. And then history will repeat, and I'll be able to laugh at sisters forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69268893
You know you fucked up as a company when your organs have to get on their alt accounts to prove they're telling the truth and not being puppeted.

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>>69268668
>>Selen gets reprimanded and then terminated for making the company look bad

She was terminated for breaking the rules, not providing context why her video was privated and asking people to reupload the privated video. Not for making the company look bad.

>>Elira, Vox, and Ike absolutely tank the public opinion of the company

With the permission of management and they broke no rules.

>>Selen gets reprimanded and then terminated for leaking classified information

Are you okay? When did this happen?

>>Elira, Vox, and Ike leak classified information from a legal document that is part of a lawsuit

Really. Are you okay? They got permission from lawyers and management to make the statement. Doki does not know what is or isn't classified information. By her own admission, law is complicated. Please check your self into the nearest hospital

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>>69269468
>Any lawyer could prove no harassment took place
Unfortunately deciding to do their little stream right as Doki was doing her first gaming stream would absolutely be taken by Canadian courts as harrassment, so Niji better hope this shit is fought Japan-side.

You really think the courts are so stupid as to believe it was mere coincidence when streams are a thing announced well in advance?
They absolutely lended credence to the claim of harrassment by performing a public harrassment.
I don't give a golly-Goddamn if you don't think this was harrassment, to the courts it is.

In Canada, the criteria for workplace harrassment is very fucking low, and Niji pulled the typical Japanese corporatism of thinking the entire world is like Japan and going all :O when they realize that corporations are despised more often than not outside their rocks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264018
>Will they just sit there in silence for eternity? Legal procedures take time

YES, for fuck's sake, YES

This is what they should have done in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

>>69269468
>>69269925
>>69267854
wtf is this spacing

[Anonymous No.]

What's funny is the reason the company always treated her so badly is because she refused to put the stock "spread love of Nijisanji" statement in her debut.

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>>69269468
>We're talking legality, not semantics.
Well I'm talking about semantics since neither you nor I are actually fucking lawyers.
>Any lawyer could prove no harassment took place and cast doubt on her reason
Why are you acting like you have all the facts of the case? You don't know jackshit. You have no idea if a lawyer could or couldn't prove harassment took place. We barely know the bare minimum, even nijisanji said they didn't give Vox and the gang every document despite his claim that he "thoroughly reviewed it".

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264438
It would've, if the CEO's address was all there was.

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>>69270079
Turbo-reddit.
Spaced even further apart than they are from being a woman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264018
>So. What now?
Someone finds definitive proof of Elira's embezzlement rrat. The yacht sinks, Riku is homeless, Elira is in jail and Doki Gol D Roger Chapter 967's for the rest of her days.

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>>69265727
yeah, that's the whole sisters' argument "SHE'S BDP. DONT TRUST HER. BELIEVE IN NIJI. STOP LOOKING FOR THE TRUTH. LISTEN TO WHAT THESE OTHER PEOPLE HAS TO SAY ABOUT SELEN. BTW WE ABSOLUTELY DIDNT SCRIPTED ANY OF THIS" it's pretty pathetic how they are so desperate in an attempt to shift the narrative. They are 100% fucked.

My personal rrat is that part of Elira's embezzled money goes to the sisters in the NDF, that's why they are so desperate to shift the narrative. Their livelihood is on the line kek.

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>>69270134
>Vox and the gang every document despite his claim that he "thoroughly reviewed it".
So Vox said a thing that was an absolute falsehood and tarred the reputation of the company for it.

When's his graduation?

[Anonymous No.]

Guys all of this drama is making me really constipated and I really need to shit. Anyone have any advice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270306
Eat some fucking fiber

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270238
Where did this Elira embezzlement rrat come from? I missed that one.

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>>69269996
What a totally unbiased claim that would totally fly in court. A lawyer definitely couldn't just say the reason was because it was an opportune time to release the video due to it being before the CEO's statement and during prime time for the US and Canada. Here's her lawyer's argument

>They defended themselves while she was in the middle of a stream. That proves they were bullying her

You're a retard if you think any jury or judge would accept that as evidence. The criteria for workplace harassment is low in Canada, yes. And what they did still doesn't apply as workplace harassment as criticism isn't harassment. You're losing the case. You being anti- Japan isn't helping your case either

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270238
How is a mentally ill woman claiming mentally ill things an invalid argument?

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>>69265727
>Isn't the BPD thing their entire argument?

Yep, lol
They don't have anything to deflect with so they're going with the 'she's crrrrrrrrrrrrrazy' deflection to try to sow doubt, unfortunately they telegraphed their intentions too far in advance

The more this goes on the more I believe that Vox really did fuck around with minors because this is straight out of that playbook

[Anonymous No.]

Elira and Doki are secretly collaborating to profit on the demise of Niji. The plan was for Doki to buy up a ton of put options and then have all of the drama take place. It's working to perfection and you all are falling for it like the little baby sheep that you are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270383
same place as other rrats- some anons started saying it and others started repeating it
it's all speculation, but it's a plausible explanation

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>>69264018
Rumor is that NijiEN will make one more attempt to smear Doki before calling it quits. I don’t believe it comes from an actual leaker but I have no doubt that these high school level bitches will try to win back the twitter crowd soon.

If it happens the branch will get folded on the spot though and maybe they know that now. :/

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>>69270134
Vox never said he read every document. He said he reviewed the "documents thoroughly" and the words "every document thoroughly" never left his mouth

Another assumption Dokifags constantly make

[Anonymous No.]

>>69269925
Reconstructed (as of now) timeline of events, according to the GURRAT:
>NijisanjiEN was founded in 2020 with its own dedicated management team. Said team left the company to start a NFT venture in December of that year. Ex-NijiIN member Noor is then put in charge to fill their place, so from almost the beginning it was ‘‘talents managing talents’’.
>>/vt/thread/68273408#p68280109
>The first set of auditions resulted in 6 members being contracted, though only 3 debuted at first under Lazulight, one of those members was Elira, whose knowledge of the japanese language seemingly gained her the favoritism from the higher-ups early on, as indicated by the company letting her choose the theme for her second outfit while Pomu hadn’t such a benefit.
>>/vt/thread/69142853#p69147004
>Said favoritism also translated into Elira getting more merch released than any other member of Lazulight.
>>/vt/thread/68996770#p69009739
>The second set of auditions was for the third and fourth waves. The third wave is Ethyria, which contains two of Elira’s PL friends, Enna and Millie, indicating that they may have been hired through nepotism, a testament to the influence of Elira inside the branch.
>As the branch grew in members, Elira would need some sort of assistance to forward communications between it and the japanese side, and so Enna and Millie, became involved in the process to monitor and report her about the happenings inside the branch.
>>/vt/thread/69014403#p69023271
>>/vt/thread/69228845#p69246437
>Jumping straight to 2023, Noor is replaced with Yasuhiro Harry Igarashi as head of management for NijisanjiEN, somebody who treats this position as a part-time job, meaning that he is less involved with the branch than Noor, which left a power vacuum that Elira and her friends could monopolize for themselves.
>>/vt/thread/68033404#p68043182
>May 23rd of 2023, Selen misses the deadline for the recording of a voice pack and mentions wanting a representative so it wouldn’t happen again. Getting a representative would incite other members to do the same, making Elira’s role as a translator between the EN branch and Anycolor pointless. And so, Elira possibly proceeded to convince management proper (she’s ‘‘shadow management’’, a liaison, after all) to suspend Selen and have her given the warning that one more infraction would mean that she’s out of the company.
>>/vt/thread/69142853#p69142989
>In the months that followed, Elira appears to have done an internal smear campaign against Selen, trying to convince most of the members of the branch to get rid of her. And as such, would attempt to isolate Selen from the rest of the company as much as she could.
>This isn’t the first time they harassed a member to make them leave the company as proved by this screenshot: >>/vt/thread/68412484#p68438814
>December 2023, the shitfest involving Selen’s MV occurs. Selen attemps suicide after continuous harassment from other members and Elira has to assume responsibility, so in the 27th she announced to the public she would have to to take care of affairs involving health issues in her family, as a way to cover what really had transpired behind closed doors.
>>/vt/thread/69120347#p69129835
>>/vt/thread/69036707#p69039165
>February 13th, 2023, Elira releases the now infamous ‘‘A Message From NIJISANJI EN’’ video. She mentions having read the legal documents about Selen/Doki’s case, which were meant only to be seen by Dokibird, her lawyers, and Anycolor’s management. The only way she could have gotten ahold of them it’s if she was involved with management herself. With her being the primary translator between members of the EN branch and the japanese higher-ups, it isn’t unexpected that the japanese would rely on her to translate the contents of the documents.
>>/vt/thread/68996770#p68999584

Take into account that each member have their side of their story and so, as they may come forward with their versions, there could arise contradictory or previously unknown details. For example, Pomu was possibly in friendly terms with Elira until the end of her tenure at NijisanjiEN, with her discontent seemingly stemming from conflicts with proper management: >>/vt/thread/68033404#p68035166
Also related, it has been spread around that a recently graduated member that is also not affiliated with an agency will try to twist what happened to clean the implicated people’s reputation. Only potential candidates are Pomu and Kyo, most likely the latter because he is very friendly with Enna and Millie, and also has contact with a bunch of flesh streamers: >>/vt/thread/69186816#p69206509

[Anonymous No.]

>>69268493
There is also the fact they said it in prerecorded message streamed the exact same time as her first gaming stream with a game the company denied her the perms for. Maybe try not to leave out that "context" you slugs love so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270383
It's basically a step further of the Elira Shadow Manager rrat
We know EN only gets 2% of merch sales, but we don't know how much JP gets for Merch Sales.
We had the AR Live that was cancled with no refunds
We have the fact Elira bought a house within the last two years and a Tokyo apartment in the last few months. Despite nowhere being the top superchatted member of EN
There's probably more but mostly the house and apartment rrat is the most damning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270306
Drink coffee

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270573
>Vox never said he read every document. He said he reviewed the "documents thoroughly" and the words "every document thoroughly" never left his mouth

You sound like somebody trying to explain the difference between pedophilia and ephebophilia when caught with Gura lewds

"UHM ACKTUALLY just because he said he reviewed the documents thoroughly doesn't mean ALL the documents it just an unspecified number of the documents"

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270383
this one is highly unlikely. they have control over merchdeals and sponsorships to funnel extra opportunities and therefore money to themselves and their reputation, theres no need to do anything that would put them in prison if there was an actual audit happening. Even elira is not that stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69269996
Elira's stream and Doki's were both at 8PM which is commonly considered NA prime time. No one would take that as a legitimate harassment claim and you're delusional if you think they would. There's only 24 hours in a day and they did the stream at the most commonly accepted time for peak viewership.
It being Doki's "first gaming stream" (a completely meaningless specification that carries no extra weight in the court of law) is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270569
>Rumor is that NijiEN will make one more attempt to smear Doki before calling it quits. I don’t believe it comes from an actual leaker but I have no doubt that these high school level bitches will try to win back the twitter crowd soon.
>If it happens the branch will get folded on the spot though and maybe they know that now. :/
It's already happening, they are releasing their own truth to discredit anything Doki said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270596
>OMFG GUYS THEY RELEASED A STATEMENT IN THE SAME HOUR I WENT LIVE. THIS IS BULLYING

Stop being a pussy. Anyone with a pulse would see it wasn't intentional. And no, they didn't give a fuck about when Doki would stream Neopets and never bothered to check

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264018
I hope there is an internal investigation followed by the unceremonious firing of you-know-who. Embezzlement is no fucking joke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69269468
>We're past that argument, it doesn't matter who posted it first because the one who made damaging claims to Nijisanji was not Nijisanji.
No. It matters who posted it first and brought it up. If Nijisanij didn't say it in their termination notice, no one would have known it.
Doki has stated this multiple times with lawyer approved statements(Same argument you used for why there is no way Elira, Vox and Ike are doing anything wrong here >>69269925 ) as she wanted to settle in court.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69269588
I mean Niji would likely get subpoena'd for discord logs and manager emails. There's no chance that they would let that happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264633
Have you considered that they shouldn't have been shitty people in the first place, bootlicker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270771
I think this is something everyone should encourage. Let them keep putting out more drama lmaooo
It worked so well for them all the other times :^)

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270573
His exact quote is "having thoroughly reviewed the documents sent to anycolor by her lawyer"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65VwnQvWW4&t=406s
Which heavily implies he saw every document, because that would literally be every document. Then nijisanji said they only gave their livers parts about specific information.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69266146

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270412
>You being anti- Japan
Being Anti-Japanese Corporation is the most fucking Pro-Japanese thing you can be you cunt.
You think their sky-high suicide rate and rock-bottom birthrate has nothing to do with the fact that they're basically fucking indentured servants?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270759
retarded take. it wasnt a livestream and they reposted it everywhere on twitter, being noticed was never an issue, therefore primetime does not matter, doki being live matters tho, because they needed her to incriminate herself to have any chance to survive the backlash and the internal investigation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270961
Highlighter-anon, you're back!

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270771
I hope they actually start getting death threats if they try doing this shit again, just fucking shut up and let it blow over she's not even saying or doing anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270573
>reviewing the documents thoroughly doesn't mean reviewing the documents thoroughly!
Nijisanji needs to hire you as their lawyer. Doki might end up owning Anycolor by the end of the trial.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270961
I like how you break out the highlighter for this like it's going to change the reality of the situation

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270961
>>69271057
Or wait sorry, you're using slightly different highlighter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271141
I can't take the mantle of the highlighter man... There have been thousands before me

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270812
>If Nijisanij didn't say it in their termination notice, no one would have known it.

Objectively false, Doki quite literally made the claims they said weren't true right after she saw the notice

Doki has never said she wouldn't make public claims. Nijisanji 's notice says she threatened to during negotiations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69266146
It's just dishonesty. They probably know by this point; they just don't care. They're trying to protect the company.

They also keep maliciously attributing to Selen what was actually anons doing guesswork on /vt/. Anons suspected there was a self-harm attempt, but no one knew until Niji blundered out and confirmed it.

[Anonymous No.]

its so painful being an insider who knows what's happening and seeing everyone being so wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270899
>having thoroughly reviewed the documents sent to anycolor by her lawyer"
Notice how he doesn't say "every document sent ". Implying stuff makes it an assumption

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270899
>"having thoroughly reviewed the documents sent to anycolor by her lawyer"
Why even argue about this? The fact that Vox even claims to have laid eyes on documents meant for AC’s lawyers and management is suspect to say the least, and probably illegal in itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270899
>Which heavily implies he saw every document,

vox doesnt speak japanese though. only elira wouldve been able to even read the document. she has seen the whole thing because shes either manager, or also signed as translator between the branches, hence disclosure to her didnt break any laws. the other two never saw the document, they were just told by elira and it even sounds like vox was mislead to a point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271351
It's almost certainly illegal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270573
Why are you defending pedo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271401
Selen wrote one of the documents. Additionally, her lawyer is Canadian.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271442
Why are you not learn English

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271351
heres the one time truth that will never be posted again: selen gave those docs to management back in late december before she got lawyers involved, then posthumously claimed they were confidential documents. they contained lots of stuff that niji wouldnt want out, like dating boyfriends/girlfriends etc. niji pre-emptively wrote the bullying/harrassment blurb because selen implied she would leak it if she didn't get her way

[Anonymous No.]

>>69268490
What a fucking retard.
She sure is super upset that you can slander someone in confidential legal docs that they then leak because they are retarded.

Does niji have any defense that is not concocted by an idiot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271220
Both can be true?? Also you keep yapping about this damage when the most important thing, even in Japan, is intent, and they're not going to prove shit when they post it first and force her to respond.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey guys, remember that screenshot from slack that we assumed was from Kyo?
Try this: Han 華

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271114
It's because most of you can't read apperently

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271311
the floor is yours anon. spill

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270771
Just check nina page comments on doxxsite, it's HQ of femcels who running smear company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271553
From hospital?

[Anonymous No.]

>"SHE WAS GOING TO RELEASE THE DOCUMENTS UNLESS SHE GOT HER WAY"
>Terminated, clearly didn't get her way
>Still does not release them, explicitly says she just wants to move on
>"OKAY WE'LL JUST REVEAL INFORMATION FROM THEM OURSELVES"
>"You weren't supposed to do that, it's a private document"
>"BUT YOU WERE GOING TO RELEASE IT AND SUE US AND DOXX EVERYONE!"
Is this unironically the logic Nijisanji operates on here, or am I missing something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271351
You're only saying it's illegal because Doki, who self admittedly, thinks law is complicated said so off the top of her head without consulting lawyers. Nijisanji's lawyers said it wasn't illegal, Doki proceeds to say law is complicated and there were mistranslations. Put two and two together, she was assuming and assumed wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271525
Because i can sis

[Anonymous No.]

>>69265111
>I can't fucking wait for some journalist tuber to pick Doki apart

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271486
it was revised and translated to japanese before it was sent to anykoror. doki stated all communication was done between lawyers in japanese. this is also why doki didnt know if her medical information were still in the document and her being surprised by the recording being considered important, as she obviously cant read the finished translation herself, so she called her lawyer to ask what information they actually got.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271553
proof next thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69268590
Cool story. How about this one?
They let all the interested parties read the docs.
Vox lets it slip that was the case.
They quickly put out a bullshit statement about only showing "relevant things".
Even that is supposedly not legal as Doki claims the whole document was under a confidentiality agreement but that just moves it from "Most definitely illegal" to "Maybe illegal".

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271344
>Notice how he doesn't say "every document sent ". Implying stuff makes it an assumption
You have to assume he saw every document because he stressed that he "thoroughly" read the "documents sent to anycolor by her lawyer". By definition of "thorough" which means "complete with regard to every detail; not superficial or partial.". If he only received partial documents then he didn't "thoroughly" read "documents sent to anycolor by her lawyer".

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271553
Post feet. If their brown we’ll know you’re full of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271311
You're so right twin towers anon.
Spill the beans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271723
Anon, did you really believe the 3 hour "rigorous legal check"? You need to get tested.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69267854
>She still is making the claim. No amount of coping makes it untrue.

No, NIJISANJI is the one that went public with these claims. Selen only discussed them AFTER Nijisanji went public! Absolutely nothing would have happened if Nijisanji and its Livers had just kept their stupid, fat mouths shut.

No one has been "defamed." If you say "I killed someone" and then I say "Whoa, you killed someone" you cannot then run around with your hair on fire screaming "I didn't actually kill anyone! zOMG I'M GONNA SUE YOU, YOU DEFAAAAAAMED MEEEEEE!"

You cannot be this dumb; you're just a cynical liar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69269734
>'m betting on a slow decline and never a true death
just like Fine Bros
they are still alive but is barely relevant

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271553
OMG hiii Daph! <3

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271779
Source?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271220
>Doki quite literally made the claims they said weren't true right after she saw the notice
Yep. If they didn't make the notice with all the bullying information, Doki wouldn't have needed to write "Yes, this happened". My original point stands.
>Nijisanji 's notice says she threatened to during negotiations.
Here we are back to the issue, that one side is being wrong and saying something weird. It is a question of who.
Dokis statements, approved by her lawyer, says that the documents were sent two hours before the termination notice and nothing was ever supposed to be publicly stated. This is not enough time to thoroughly review it, and could therefore be a misunderstanding.
The more likely option is that Doki was saying she would go public with the workspace bullying allegations, if they did not allow her to leave (As we know she tried to graduate in january, but was refused). Here NijiEN still fucked up, as the termination would give her what she wanted. They added the bullying the termination notice for no reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264018
They'll probably just pretend nothing ever happened. Which is what they should have done in the first place instead of being a bunch of fucking retards by throwing everybody and themselves under the bus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271553
When the voices in your head told you this, what accents did they have?

[Anonymous No.]

>Legal procedures take time.
>implying riku tazumi would ever take money away from his 2nd yacht purchase to start a lawsuit

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270569
At this point I just wanna see how much goodwill they can pisd away by going for a third attempt to attack Doki

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271612
>force her to respond

They didn't start puppeting her body and forcing her to write shit on X. She did it on her own. Like what was already said a thousand fucking times, it doesn't matter who sent what first. As long as damaging false claims were made and damages are there, there exists defamation. The intent is clearly proven by her knowing it'd ruin their reputation since she used it as leverage in negotiations. It's such a blatant clear cut case

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270756
>Even elira is not that stupid.
Fair enough, but counter point to that, I feel, is the existence of the Elira, Vox, Ike video.

>>69271311
Please, do correct the record, insider-chama

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271678
>>69271652
she was never in the hospital. thats the biggest bombshell thats gunna drop soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271932
one of dokis tweets on the matter, there were only half a dozen or so in all, so it should be easy to find. I dont have a screenshot, and I dont use twatter, so I cant spoonfeed. but the quote was very similar to "all communication was done between lawyers in japanese"

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272076
Thanks for the fanfiction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271851
Anycolor is behind 9/11
Think about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271992
Doki is the one suing their asses, dude. He'll have to sell his yacht to pay her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272024
So you're arguing Nijisanji defamed itself, since they first made the claim?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272076
Not sure how you can prove someone not being in the hospital, but ok Daph.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272076
Where’d she get the hospital band from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272152
>Doki is the one suing their asses
she LITERALLY said she just wants to put it all behind them and has no intention of suing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271992
Start a lawsuit?
Over what?
Anycolor slandering itself with retarded public statements?
The only question is if they will be dragged to criminal court in Canada or if Doki decides to pursue them in civil(unlikely as she doesn't seem to want to).

That and how they can possibly salvage their reputation after all this(hint it won't be with trying to start legal shit with Doki).

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271311
its so painful being an insider seeing someone claiming to be an insider who knows what's happening and seeing everyone being so wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272024
Of course, that's why the news doesn't exist in Japan. Oh, wait, you're a retard. And even in Japan, they have the right to defend themselves publicly, literally under the same law that you think you know. Also, going by your logic, Niji defames Doki first, soo....

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272024
Anon, if Niji said X then Selen said not X, it means Niji has to sufficiently prove X for it to even be actionable. Additionally, they have to prove that specifically Selen saying not X caused the damage rather than Niji initially saying X.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69266146
>>69271224
>denying claims
>admitted their guilt
Based illiterate 80iq SEAnigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271701
>>"SHE WAS GOING TO RELEASE THE DOCUMENTS UNLESS SHE GOT HER WAY"

Fucking wrong. She was going to make her claims public and she did

>explicitly says she just wants to move on
After the reputation of Nijisanji is already dead because of false allegations

>"OKAY WE'LL JUST REVEAL INFORMATION FROM THEM OURSELVES"
Because they're innocent and are divulging information to the public of the claims and refuting them because they're false

>"You weren't supposed to do that, it's a private document
Said by Doki without consulting lawyers or is even sure what documents they saw

>>"BUT YOU WERE GOING TO RELEASE IT AND SUE US AND DOXX EVERYONE!
Yes, she did threaten to go public and could have made the document public whenever she wanted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69269925
Elira is the management you fucking faggot.

Unless Niji's legal team has the collective IQ of a fucking brick, there is absolutely no way they approved of anything said on that fucking stream. I would be surprised if the entire legal team hasn't committed sudoku yet for how badly those three fucked up

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264018
If they have any sense left, yes. That's what they always should have done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272392
Yea I give up. Either you are larping hard or genuinely retarded. Enjoy your (you)

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271311
Enlighten us then. Who should we be supporting in this scenario and why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272430
No shes not, where'd you get that idea from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270771
I dont think it's this document, actually, this seems more like the expected reaction of bringing Vox into this mess. They knew the insane chinese fujos would react like this.

The actual attack will be much more solid and coordinated, coming from multiple channels at once. Be prepared.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272392
>After the reputation of Nijisanji is already dead because of false allegations
False allegation made by whom? Doki only ever confirmed statements niji decided to make public.

Imagine thinking someone is going to make false claims about you so you decided to make those claims yourself and deny them and then nobody believes you.
Is it possible to lose harder that that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272076
Daph you should rest more instead of exhausting your braincells on 4chan....

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272566
>NijiEN
>solid and coordinated

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270577
>>69272430
>retarded super elaborated rrat that Elira is some sort of mastermind behind everything
>instead of going for the more simple explanation that they used a legal loophole because the livers represent and are owned by the company
Occam's Razor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272334
>>69272320


>>69266095
Holy fucking shit, you people are retarded and don't know how to read. They didn't claim Selen did anything. Selen claims they did. She was not defending yourself, she was accusing them

[Anonymous No.]

>>69265861
>How many graduations/terminations has NijiEN had
Not enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272392
I see a lot of "could have" and "would have" and precious little "did"

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272666
Doki made her statements from Canada, so she is subject to Canadian defamation law.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272169
>>69272618
How is 39Daph the current boogeyman for you guys? Did she support Niji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264018
man that twitter campaign is already going full force but every idiot posting about it is making themselves look like a total retard.

"please don't attack Doki but anyway here is why this document is 100% accurate and she's a fucking lying bitch that should die"

great campaign sisters, y'all are making Mike look stable as fuck by comparison.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272659
Haven't you been paying attention? Scarle got to release her Daki rather than getting suspended/fired, for example. NijiEN isn't on the wheel atm, NijiJP is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272666
I don't remember her accusing them of anything before they published her termination notice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272666
Because they were slandering her??? Are you retarded by any chance????

[Anonymous No.]

>>69265111
Le mao
>>69266764
Pretty much this.
To add to that tho, Doki barely said anything. She only said that she tried to unalive herself. And that is that. Everything else was Niji self reporting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270569
>Rumor is that NijiEN will make one more attempt to smear Doki before calling it quits
Rumor also has it that the sun will rise in the east tomorrow morning

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272750
She is clearly licking boots right here anon.
>>69268490

[Anonymous No.]

You know what any PR disaster response strategy begins with? "Shut up and stop digging."

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272827
it's a tourist nijisister, ignore them

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272726
Okay, regardless of "Canadian laws" or post termination fumbling, was Selen actually bullied?

[Anonymous No.]

Give us back Rosemi or let her go, it's been 11 days, people are sick of your dumb shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272663
Your post doesn't explain the bullying claims and how they link to what Vox said in the video: >>/vt/thread/69036707#p69039165

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272887
Niji is not going to make any public statement themselves about this.
They will however get other people to do it for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272892
Doesn't she hang out with NijisanjiEN Livers outside of streaming? So theoretically she should know better about what's happening without having to worry about losing her job over what she says right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272897
like the one Enna made?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272921
Nobody fucking knows. But there has been rumors of that going on in nijiEN for a long time so nobody is surprised.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69265111
A female wrote this post

[Anonymous No.]

>the sisters got community noted
>not even Xitter fags are having it
KEKAROO

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272962
After Save Me Pink Girl during the termination I don't even know if I want her, dude. Best case scenario I can think of it was a tongue-in-cheek joke at Elira's expense when the latter panicked at reading the documents and asked for her help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69273067
yo post, I dont use x

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272921
Literally, it doesn't matter; she can fucking accuse them of eating babies and that would be fine as long as she actually believes that it's true. That's literally how the news operates.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272921
That's for the court to decide. Their actions following her termination aren't a good indicator. Seeing as how her lawyer has stuck with her case, there's likely enough to beat a defamation case at the very least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272991
Yeah lets trust more whores from the clique brigade.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272666
Niji claimed Selen said she had been harassed, and then Selen said she had been harassed.

How is that Niji not claiming Selen did anything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272827
>slandering

Slandering required it to be false. If it wasn't true that she made claims of harassment, she would say that instead of, you know

Claim they harassed her

[Anonymous No.]

>sees NDF working overtime in this thread
>Niji put 2 rounds in one foot and odds favor them putting a round in the still good foot
>"insider" claiming to know the REAL info

I feel like I need to refill my popcorn bucket.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69272991
She knows what side her bread is buttered on you mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69273046
I've never heard rumors of bullying within NijisanjiEN, can you back that up friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264018
They need to stealth suspend for 3 months and then terminate 2 more talents, then tweet out a charge sheet for each of them.

This should provide enough fuel and motivation for fugly Chinese fujos to come out and defend the company with even more zeal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69270771
This dumb bitch really put out this shit without stopping to think if she was saying shit to out herself. Like when she mentions an "event that was directly refernced by dokis lawyers as an example of harassment."

How the fuck would you know that? Doki never said that shit anywhere.

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>>69273156
Get some for me too please

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>>69273139
I mean, removing your defamatory claim that she's part of a non-existent "clique", why not?

[Anonymous No.]

i don't care if selen was bullied or not
NijiEN is dying due to the self-inflicted wounds of their shitty PR attempts and i find this fucking funny
even if doki is lying, that doesn't stop NijiEN burning to the ground being so entertaining that i want it to continue

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>>69264688
Based, i hope Vox and Luca do a sims 4 stream where they make a selen sim and kill her in increasingly horrifying ways

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>>69273152
Ah yes, because that's the only thing that was said in it. Retard.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there no limit to how low jannyfag will go?
>>/vt/thread/69272070

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>>69272663
Elira being management would fit with Occam’s razor though. Otherwise you would have to assume that management is both horribly malicious, terribly incompetent, has it out for Selen and various other livers, is influential enough to keep all those livers opposed to them quiet or in lockstep with their demands, is in love with Elira, Luxiem, and Enna & Millie, but also takes input from Elira on who to hire, and gets her to translate all of their documents back and forth between English and Japanese. All of these separate actors would have to be on the same page 24/7 and have a vested interest in certain livers success and failures.

Or Elira is the manager and is looking out for herself and her clique.

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>>69273156
As much as we want it to continue I highly doubt niji is doing anything publicly stupid like this again.
My only bet is on a vague apology statement about "misunderstandings" and trying to get everyone to forget this ever happened.

[Anonymous No.]

FUCKING JANNIE IS SISTER

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>>69266881
>That is a public claim that Nijisanji said wasn't true in advance.
False. The way Niji worded it dragged talents into this mess because they are a Japanese company, and they have to push blame onto the worker. Literally nobody would know that there was bullying or a toxic work environment if Niji would not have self reported on it. Only after that Doki replied. And she once again, did not talk about who did what or anything. She just said that the environment was toxic to the point of driving her to suicide. Which again, was as neutral as possible.
I don't know how people can still defend Niji when they were the ones who started every single shitstorm here. Like holy shit in every single exchange Doki was on the defence and always deescalating, meanwhile Niji was fanning the flames hard.

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I've noticed a lot of people here asking for proof of things that really should only be revealed in court. They would be stupid to reveal it publicly unless they only want to win the slander war. This is true for both sides. If Niji just shut their mouths after firing her they would only be put through a small problem. Now they revealed they received confidential documents, read them and spread their contents to the world. This is a huge problem for investors. Remember Mel in Hololive was terminated for a single slip up even after years of service to the company. Niji lawyers distributed confidential documents to talents and spread them illegally. Their entire legal branch should be in flames right now.

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>>69273267
What in the fuck did they say that wasn't true? Dokicucks can never explain this

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>>69273177
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/45220413/#45220413

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>>69273177
Back what up? You want me to link you every post on here about the clique?
People were already building rrats on Elira before the video even dropped.

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I hope Elira, Enna, Millie, and Vox all get ROA'D

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>>69264018
Neither side can prosecute the other because it's just autistic retards having a bitch fit. No matter how much money one side's getting and the other's losing, no court would dignify Internet drama because this shit isn't worth legislating anymore than dung beetles fighting for mating rights in a cow pen is.

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>>69273317
It's operation counter-truth in full shit flinging swing.

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>>69273333
I see that you can't fucking read then. Literally a sentence down they accuse her of lying about harassment.

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>>69273104

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>>69273348
First post there sums it up pretty nicely

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>>69273333
That Selen was never bullied, harassed or mistreated by management in any way.

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>>69264018
At this point, AnyColor needs to make a hard decision regarding any remaining NijiEN members who are continuing to try and find a way to get back at Selen or comeuppance after all the shit this past week. They may have forever ruined their reputations and careers but if they continue to drag this shit out just for the mere chance of some small measure of 'redemption' at the cost of AnyColor as a whole, the company should cut their losses and deal with the shortterm pain of just terminating as instantly as they did Selen. Those continuing to fight are only concerned for themselves and not the wider vtubing community.

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>>69273426
Oh okay. Where's the evidence of harassment?

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>>69273378
>no court would dignify Internet drama
They've dignified far stupider.

What stage of cope is this?
>WELL IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THE COURTS DON'T CARE ABOUT INTERNET FIGHTS!
They do care about slander and libel though you fuckin' twerp.

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>>69273333
Be honest. Do you TRULY believe Vox ever considered "leaving in solidarity", as he claimed?

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>>69273515
>They do care about slander and libel though you fuckin' twerp.
Yes, that's why no one's in jail yet, right?

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>>69273441
the best part about selen "finding out only after the announcement" is that happened because her lawyer is her dad, and he thought playing hardball and not responding would get Niji-management on their knees, and they just terminate her lmao

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>>69273248
ok removing the fact she's from the clique she also has everything absolutely wrong. her interpretation is completely wrong she doesn't know jack shit how corpo shit works.

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>>69273441
>I don't want to attack Doki but if you look here on page 3 you can see a whole section making baseless accusations about her alleged mental illnesses and complete unreliability as person!

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>>69273441
>literal who with under 3k followers

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>>69273536
Dokicucks will only say people are lying as a defense. Somehow, Doki is the only one not lying

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>>69273583
maybe it is you who have it wrong, anon. As she has direct friendships with people involved

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>>69273046
You will read all of this and if not, someone else will.

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>>69273512
The company is required by law to find that retard, the fact that they said that they fucking "THINK" and didn't do any investigation is already incriminating enough.

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>>69273297
>Matara is still part of the clique and helping them smear Doki
Say it ain’t so…

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>>69273333
Any number of statements they made could be untrue. Claiming she wasn't harrassed or bullied could very well be an untrue statement, for example. None of us actually know whether it is or isn't. In the end neither side is willing to actually come forward with any receipts other than the one screen of communication over her cover.

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>>69270577
>head of management for NijisanjiEN, somebody who treats this position as a part-time job
I just want to point out that Anycolor's salaries for even their JP positions are ridiculously low for the responsibilities and work done. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.

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>>69273297
Yeah, I saw that too.
Funny thing is, we were fed leaks about it literally yesterday. This is wild.

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>>69273643
>February 14, 2024
Anon...

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>>69264018
Elira in the face of all of this went to Japan which doesn't have an extradition treaty with Canada, I wonder why she did that

[Anonymous No.]

>>69265727
which is really funny because the most menhera thing she's done on stream since returning was have a brief panic attack when elira did her little shitfling stream then shut up and talk to her lawyer

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>>69273566
It's a fucking civil case you turnip. And it hasn't gone to court yet.
What the fuck, you think the legal system is some kind of Kentucky Fried Court where you just hop in and place your order for a ruling within the next five minutes? Some fucking fourteen year old gets a goddamn meat-mallet out and proclaims judgement while banging it on the counter?

Fucking dopey cunt.

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>>69273637
Do not avoid the question, sister. Pick: was your boytoy lying his ass off, or was he THAT close to Doki that his first instinct was "fuck this shit I'm out of Niji" but was convinced otherwise by the clique?

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>>69273637
>child predator defense force

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>>69271553
>posthumously claimed
>posthumously
selen died...? then who is dokibird

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>>69273653
It's more like Doki considers things like criticism and questioning as harassment. Doki sees it as harassment and they don't which is why they say "I think"

Legally, it isn't harassment

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>>69273774
Exactly! Why didn't she go to Ethiopia, or Jakatur... It doesn't make sense......... why japan.. hmmm it could have been Kuwait... or even Carthage 2100 years ago.. or even could have be

[Anonymous No.]

>>69273700
They admitted to not doing any investigation at all, which is already illegal. Which is funny considering they did do that for Roa's case.

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>>69273639
The fact that she has a direct friendship with member’s of the clique doesn’t mean that she has any idea what she’s doing, rather the opposite.

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>>69273571
Source?

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>>69273637
it's ok elira you career is over and you'll be forced to suck dick on onlyfans with the other whores in nijiSucki

[Anonymous No.]

>>69271553
i hope the selenifesto does get leaked, then nijiEN will die and the unicorns and vshills can live in peace and harmony

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>>69273571
What the fuck are you talking about?

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>>69264018
the longer no one speaks on the matter the more likely it is that lawyers are getting involved and/or Nijisanji is doing some serious internal investigations into the shit show that is their EN branch.

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>>69273639
LMAO

>lets ignore she's part of the clique
Ok, what she says is wrong because she doesn't understand how legal and corporate matters work.
>NO ANON YOU'RE WRONG SHE'S FRIENDS WITH THOSE INVOLVED DON'T IGNORE THAT PART

Fuck off NDF cunt

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>>69273297
We need to counter the counter.

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>>69273966
It does mean she knows more than you do, likely why she feels comfortable to speak on it, it does not mean the opposite, no.

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>>69273844

Are you retarded? Him and Selen were one of the closest people to each other, they had their own subgroup. He was angry on Selen's behalf up until he realized that management had a point this time

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>>69273901
No proof, then? Also, they are required to do an investigation on it regardless; otherwise, how would they know??? Learn before you speak retard.

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>>69273297
Feedback page is there for a reason.

[Anonymous No.]

good. the longer these annoying faggots shut the fuck up the better

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>>69273441
That's Dokitrannies response to it? Looks like they lose lmao. 'Sisters' arguments are more logical and not based on emotion unlike theirs.

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>>69273441
Twitter faggots think there isn't a link between a mental disorder and mental health. Blatantly accepting that they're emotional faggots that refuse to see reason

[Anonymous No.]

The funny thing to me is that most people with extreme dissent towards Doki keep pointing to the lack of proof. That those supporting Doki are just doing it blindly and being manipulated. But then turn around and are blindly trusting every word their oshis are saying with the same level obscurity in their claims.

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>>69264018

[Anonymous No.]

Hey everyone look at this real quick
https://files.catbox.moe/654q5l.mp4
>>69274236
falseflagging as a sister, now?

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>>69273571
Proof or schizophrenia

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>>69274298
the only proofs from either side i have seen are from Elira, and just shows Selen ignoring management 3 times after her cover getting privated, everything else is speculation at this point

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>>69274347
When are you starting your transition Dokltranny? I'm sure you'll make a very fine transwoman since your 'arguments' are just like how a woman thinks.

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>>69274333
Praise be.

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>>69273297
>Paid Shills
>PAID
How could they pay for shills off a 2% merch revenue, after Elira just bought a Tokyo Apartment...unless?

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>>69274254
See what??? Either the company took advantage of a mentally ill person or the working condition is so bad that it causes mental illness?. Feel free to choose, because if you think bringing mental health into this is going to look good on the company, you're living in a third sh*thole.

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>>69274170
How do you know they didn't investigate it? Do you think they allowed Vox, Elira and Ike to go on stream and say what happened without actually making sure it's what happened?

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>>69270781
>It wasn't because I say it wasn't, I was there!
Yeah ok Millie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69274481
>lose gossip war to men
>call them trannies
I'd be fucking embarassed if I was you, sis

[Anonymous No.]

>>69274560
kek

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>>69273457
>Three pages of shitting on her after they covered up suicide attempt, trying to either make sure the next one succeeds, or at the very least make sure she can never work in the industry again.
>Do it all again while literally bullying her off the air in front of hundreds of thousands of viewers.
Yup, no bullying or anything spiteful or malicious going on here.

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>>69274512
It's a large logical leap to assume that management only hired her to manipulate her BPD, not sure what you're getting at anon-chama

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>>69274527
Show it then? Also, didn't you just accuse Doki of having no proof?? Brain so small that it already fell out?

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>>69274512
Secret third option. Selen having BDP made her think her friends siding with management in the situation was a betrayal and an attempt at bullying her into complying with management thus causing the false allegation

Selen has yet to prove she was being taken advantage of. Having a mental disorder doesn't mean you get special treatment

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>>69264018
Niji repeatedly acts like bullies, proving everyone right.

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>>69274655
Ah, so it's the latter, then. Good to know it's still a dog-shit company.

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>>69274560
There are lot of histrionic women who support Dookie too. That twitter 'rebuttal' sounds exactly what a woman would write. I'm just calling you a tranny because there are no women on 4chan.

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>>69274666
>"Have you seen the proof?"
>"Nope"
>"How do you know it's real?"
>"Because she says has it
>"And how is their evidence invalid again"
>"Because they're lying"

Great arguments, Dokifags. I'm seeing the light

[Anonymous No.]

my understanding is that Elira, Enna and Millie are fucking the EN managers and convince them to do whatever they want, it wouldn't be idol culture if the top dogs weren't whores

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>>69274714
An Niji has yet to prove that they weren't taking advantage of her. It goes both ways, anon.

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>>69274754
Well, you're presenting a false dichotomy (hopefully because you're trying to ruffle some feathers, and not because you truly believe there's only two options), its more likely what >>69274714 anon says, good luck anon!

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>>69274333
I'll just wait and see if kurosanji shoot themselves in the foot yet again, the sister brigade, bots and shills are dilluting the best parts of this trainwreck.
Or just post at times where the pajeets and bots are sleeping.

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>>69274714
Because she don't need to? Pomu crying hello? All the artist that she has to pay herself and still don't have the contract even after the work has been done, hello? Kuro shitting on management, Matara shitting them hello?? Why the fuck can't Selen organize cross branch tours, but others can hello?

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>>69274927
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law)

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>>69274897
Good to know you agree that Niji has not shown anything.

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>>69274897
>I'm seeing the light
You finally having heart attack from cholesterol sis?

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>>69274714
>Selen has yet to prove she was being taken advantage of.

why would she need to prove or do anything?
she already won the battle for public opinion. the EN branch can only shut up or backpeddle, theyre not turning this around. the story now isnt he said she said, the story now is the entire internet watching a company trying to character assasinate a former employee for no reason, it doesnt even matter if doki is the right or not. The company behaved like unprofessional retards and theyre paying the price.

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>>69274927
I swear to Christ, you fucks have never heard of the concept "Burden of Proof"

I hope you get accused of fucking murder and see what happens when people don't look for evidence you did it but instead you have to look for evidence you didn't do it while a bunch of retards constantly are explaining how your evidence isn't legit because you're a murderer

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>>69274439
Elira showed that problems were only brought up by management once the product was finished when standard business practice dictates to check in multiple times on the product during production.
So not only did the manager neglect this duty, as he said himself that making sure permissions were granted for the product, he also failed to respond to Selens request for the final confirmation in a timely manner and then acted entitled to a response not even in half the time he took to respond that he needed more time to check the material he shouldve checked mutliple times throughout production.
This is all the screenshot proves. Management was tardy on their duties and blame was shifted on the talent.

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>>69273639
How is being biased towards one side make her statements more trustworthy.
Sure she's a better source than random 4chan idiots but not a better one that Doki.

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>>69274961
>Because she don't need to

Why would Selen have to prove she was being harassed by management when a bunch of circumstantial evidence that has nothing to do with the situation exists?

[Anonymous No.]

NDF = CPDF?

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>>69274936
Only if you don't fucking watch Niji retard. My oshi experienced the same fucking shit; ARlive only "postponed." btw, oh, your Home3D? It's going to take years, love, that's why she fucking left to "study.".

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>>69274842
You realize we've held Nijisanji supporters ever since they debuted, right? Arguably one person in four here is a woman, if not more

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>>69270961
The grammar in the first paragraph is technically ambiguous, but the only sensible interpretation is that Selen *claimed* she was being harassed. Otherwise the second paragraph would make no sense.

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>>69271553
>selen gave those docs to management back in late december before she got lawyers involved
They got it two hours before they put out the termination notice.

Meaning the termination notice did not go through lawyers or PR.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275094
Niji preemptively made their statement denying that the bullying took place. Selen said that was false. If Niji wants to sue Selen for defamation, they have to prove that bullying did not take place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275279
Keep moving the goal post ESL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275306
Well that’s specifically their Enna divison.

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>>69274927
They lost in the court of public opinion already. The burden of proof is on them in that regard, but the proper advice is to shut the fuck up and settle and try to repair the damage to the brand, because if you do get taken to court (or god forbid try to take Doki to court) then you run the risk of getting completely fucked just to bully one girl.

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>>69275065
100% this
At this point, whatever Selen did to justify her getting canned, regardless of if it's something truly bad, her BPD causing problems, just a simple lack of communication, or nothing at all, just doesn't matter
The company (and talents) have several times now attempted to character assassinate her at nearly every turn, and each time they get backlash not by what she's doing, but by their own actions making themselves look worse in the process (also not helping is that each time they try only confirms/adds more credibility to more and more rrats about them)
Selen could've been as much of a behind the scenes bully as Elira and her clique and it still wouldn't change the fact that Niji is 100% in the wrong and the party that's more in the wrong in this situation

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275238
Doki has literally nobody worthwhile saying her claims are true. Nijisanji has every liver in the EN branch and a streamer that regularly collabs with them saying they're right

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275364
>Meaning the termination notice did not go through lawyers or PR.

while youre probably correct cause of how terribly written it was, the termination notice couldve already been mostly ready at the point of receiving the document, so we dont know if it was really written within those 2 hrs.
youre probably right it didnt go through lawyers and certainly not through PR

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>>69275094
She has no fucking obligation to give the public her proof, you fucking mongoloid. We are all sitting here speculating whether they did or didn't. Nothing more. You cannot sit here and defend Niji with the claims of her not showing proof whilst they also show no proof. At that point all you are doing is blindly taking what they are saying at face value and as the truth. You're just some moron on the internet swimming in rrats. We all are. Stop pretending you're better than anyone.

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>>69275429
Enna and Vox...

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>>69275535
They would have to maintain that under oath.

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>>69264018
>Release PR stunt
>Lawyer up and gather evidence against Selen, in silence
>Fire most of the NijiEN management
>Hire a lot of new people for NijiEN management
>Give new orders to the NijiEN livers and new guidelines about how to handle this drama
>Make sure that NijiEN livers behave and if they want to jump ship, delay it as much as possible
>Stay silent and pretend nothing happened
>Wait for the financials to recover
You are here
>Wait for most of the drama to die and normalfags to move to the next new drama
>Decide if the NijiEN branch is worth keeping
>Bleed Selen to death with the lawsuit costs and launch a counter lawsuit against her for slander
>Drown her legally and try to block her revenues as much as possible

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275535
>39daph
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275535
>nobody worthwhile
>NijiEN livers that remain in the company

Those are the same by public opinion

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275661
>Bleed Selen to death with the lawsuit costs and launch a counter lawsuit against her for slander
>Drown her legally and try to block her revenues as much as possible
This is actually retarded behavior, but this is Niji we are talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275384

Holy shit, for the love of God. Please read something. Let it be the first thing in your life

>>69266095
>>69275007

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>>69275535
>daph
>credible
Bar that ludicrous claim of NijiEN being sound in any way, this assertion might be the latest in cutting edge retard technology.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275535
Are you actually fucking retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69265111
If they were innocent and it wasn't real bullying show the fucking chat logs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275589
We have plenty of proof that NijiEN management is dog shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275661
Just bought 100 shares in Cover.
C'mon Nijifans, buy the dip too ;)

[Anonymous No.]

>>69273643
I have read her tweet on this, but I've never made the connection with the may 2023 warning. Holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275795
You are not a lawyer. You are not involved in the legalities of the situation at all. Burden of proof does not apply to to you, or anyone here. You are merely a member of the public taking a stance on a matter of public opinion at present.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275535
>people working for the corp and their bootlicker friend are reliable!!!
>Doki's friends aren't!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275535
>random people online who dealt with niji and connected people before
nobody worthwile
>some people from niji that are probably in the clique
very true and trustworthy statements

Are you trying to say that because nobody who is currently in niji and would be fucked by the fallout is coming forward it can't be true?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275795
The truth is an absolute defense for defamation in Canada, which is where any defamation claim against Selen would take place. Your ignorance does not make me ignorant.

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>>69275782
>Bleed Selen to death with the lawsuit costs and launch a counter lawsuit against her for slander
>Drown her legally and try to block her revenues as much as possible
The moment they do that and she opens a gofunme or something, the whole fucking company would go down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275661
They lost lawsuits in Japan you really think they are going to win in fucking Canada?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275782
it worked against vic against funimation despite being prove that the sexual allegations was false. they bleed that poor innocent bastard dry and we will never be able to hear OG broly’s voice again

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275661
>Bleed Selen to death with the lawsuit costs and launch a counter lawsuit against her for slander
>Drown her legally and try to block her revenues as much as possible
This is absolutely retarded and pointless as she does not seem to want to pursue any sort of legal action therefore I 100% believe niji will try to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275589
>She has no fucking obligation to give the public her proof, you fucking mongoloid

So she has shown no evidence and never plans on showing evidence but you believe her because you're an emotional faggot. Okay, got it. She also had no obligation to publicly claim that Nijisanji harassed her but here we are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275961
The GURrat is very convincing if you filter out the schizo shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69276098
they dont have to they just have to lame it out and wait for selen to run out of money

[Anonymous No.]

They'll continue on like nothing in a week or two
the only one who is 100% done is elira; she'll either just disappear with out a word or graduate,terminate

There's no salvaging for her, vox has his chink cult and ike basically said nothing substantial in that stream so no one really gave a shit about him being there

[Anonymous No.]

>>69276202
We believe her because out of the two niji is the one acting like an abusive and toxic menhera right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69276238
You can't do that in Canada.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69276218
The GURat wouldn't exist if you filter out the schizo shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275535
>Nijisanji has every liver in the EN branch

they literally cant take dokis side without getting suspended or sued retard. Also, the vast majority of those livers didnt give any statement. as long as theyre working for nijiEN, their opinion doesnt matter. of course theyre gonna suck rikus dick. they have to.

>and a streamer
so nobody? lol. lmao even.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69276202
She never went public with it, niji did. She just wanted out, niji posted that hitpiece and incriminated themselves in the process. They should have let her graduate on the 26th of January. Why didn't they?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69276261
pretty sure millie is done too she has members chat only permanently on

[Anonymous No.]

>>69264018
In my opinion, if we don't see something in between the end of Kyo's grad stream and Doki's backroom stream, then they probably have learned they should shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69276218
I don't know how any can look at Elira having more than 2x the sponsorships of her fellow genmates despite not being the most popular and still try to claim there isn't something shady going on with her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69276318
god bless the leaf then you flappy lip faggots. if you bastards can take down niji then il fucking buying tons of
maple syrup from you fucks every year

[Anonymous No.]

>>69276075
>>69276144
There's so many obvious problems with it. Even if they win, they have to go through discovery, many of their talent are doxxed, they probably don't recoup their legal fees, and instead of having the drama die down, they reignite it every month or so with a new filing. Even if they destroy Doki its bad for them.

And then of course there's the route where they don't win, or only partially win, and they and their talent have another permanent black mark against them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69274347
I would like the dramatubers to watch this on stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69276370
She'll probably keep going but, there's no future growth potential for her
Either loyal simps will stay and she'll just be small or it'll peter out over time as she inevitably says more cunty stuff per usual

[Anonymous No.]

>>69275535
Every single mainstream dramatuber has pretty much conclusively come out on her side, in the eyes of the youtube normie NijiEN is in the wrong and Doki is in the right.
I don’t understand why you would even try to make such an idiotic claim like this.

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>>69276506
best case scenario is they stop with this petty shit call doki’s lawyer and agree to a settlement. but this is niji we are talking about they are as petty as they come stealing fucking play buttons from poor talents

[Anonymous No.]

>>69276332
You tell them sister

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>>69276202
>She also had no obligation to publicly claim that Nijisanji harassed her but here we are.
Are you forgetting that she didn't do that until they outed themselves? There's not even any reason to believe that she would have said anything about it publicly at all until they aired everyones dirty fucking laundry.

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>>69276450
I mean that's combining them which makes it sound not as big a deal.
In reality she has more than 4 times as much as either of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69276542
millie was too ESL to have any growth anyways, that cunt will probably lose enough on merch sales to graduate back to retail

[Anonymous No.]

>>69276554
Ah, but what about people with a vested interest in niji being right have to say?
Checkmate!

[Anonymous No.]

>>69276816
fucking kek

[Anonymous No.]

aa iii >dddiu

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>>69276645
Why do people keep saying shit like this?
She's not even suing them. There is nothing to settle!

Their only issue is a PR one where they repeatedly shot themselves in the foot.
And they can't sue themselves.
But it will be glorious if they end up doing that anyways.

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>>69276506
also why would going after doki now be in NijiJPs interest? they just want this to be over, they cant sink the entire branch, they HAVE to clean house now. japan is in a recession, the jp vtubermarket is saturated and theyve been selling EN as the growthpotential to their investors. this only works if they make heavy amends and restructure the entire branch, and settle with doki in a way that she ends up saying something like "yeah it was hard initially but they realized they messed up and the mainbranch took care of it and then it went smoothly", maybe.

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>>69276988
This. There is literally no indication anywhere that any sort of suit has been filed or she's seeking damages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69276988
They fired her because she wanted them to be held legally accountable. What do you think that means?

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>>69276988
i wish they sue for defamation and then must have a third party conduct the bullying investigation and that third party confirms the claims.

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>>69274494
you're onto something there anon, Elira's embezzled funds are powering the NDF.

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>>69277028
Joint statement would be better for them right now to be honest (under settlement to never bring it up again). We do better now, yeah, they do better now, let's enjoy the talents. But that's NIJI, everything is going to burn...

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>>69276554
We're not talking about some retarded drama tuber using their latest drama to take the opportunity to shit on companies. We're talking about people that are credible and have information on the situation. Not a single one said they know Selen is telling the truth

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>>69277058
No, they fired her because she tried to make demands on how her graduation would be handled. I think the most she threatened to do was publish a statement about her issues if they kept fucking with her.
Can you tell me one instance of her claiming she is or will sue or a niji claim to that effect?

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>>69276485
Canada has like really really strong protection of the workers over there for some reason