Devil's Advocate

[Anonymous No.]

Doki has massive public opinion on her side. At this point she seems like she's holding a piece of meat in front of a dog and leading it around, considering how many unforced errors that Niji is committing to themselves.

Mr Man's (ex-xQc manager) is probably skilled enough to weave and dodge drama from experience, so a lot of Doki's actions could be also orchestrated to maximize pity points.

With that information, switch the narrative around a little bit.

What if Doki, now in a position to leverage all that good will, has been playing Niji like a fiddle to the point of malice? Is she just the opportunist? She did get a lot of her new indie streaming and merch sales up and running quite quickly. Granted it's old merch, but it is a little unsettling how fast that went.

Doki also mentioned she had medical records of her most recent sudoku attempt. Is her 2nd sudoku attempt documented as well?

(Assuming that the Elira is a manager rrat is correct), what if Elira was less of a powerhungry opportunist and from a place of honesty, wanted to spearhead leadership to assist her unsupported EN branch, and started to crack? Is it possible that her honest ineptitude as a manager has ruined her reputation within her own gen? Is it possible that the clique getting more sponsorships were just closer friends that knew how to get in contact with her are manipulating her? She is streaming AND managing after all.

>inb4 NDF
I'm a 1000% holofag and i generally support doki, but it's a little unsettling to see so many people, especially the dramatubers, come up with the narratives and quite honestly getting a little sad to see Niji keep hurting itself in its confusion.

[Anonymous No.]

i aint reading all that

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
she said her parents found her during her second sudoko attempt. she clearly is saying things for pity but it's up to you to like or dislike that. no one says they tried to kill themself a second time and their dad cried if they didn't want to elicit a reaction

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>>69073598
>Elira was less of a powerhungry
Wanted to add, what if Elira fell into the "Die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain' situations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
I’m not reading all that
However, I don’t give a fuck about doki. I just enjoy shitting on niji. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
TLDR
Is Doki over-weaponizing her newfound popularity?
Did Elira step up as a manager/streamer only to get used and abused by people around her, and eventually not giving a fuck about fairness?

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>>69073744
It’s a tactic that’s risky at best because pity farming like that has diminishing returns, but with her spot right now it works. People invested in Doki become even more attached to her, and people who aren’t are still more invested in shitting on nijisanji than calling it out. Personally, I’m not invested enough to care any more, but I respect the hustle from her end, especially compared to whatever the fuck niji “management” is smoking.

[Anonymous No.]

She ought to be coming out of this like a thunderbolt, not like a broken-winged pigeon. It's not going to serve her well longterm.

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>>69074597
she has actual mental issues which people are glossing over somehow despite it being the forefront of the entire drama, that she's mentally ill enough to attempt to kill herself over this not once, but twice. and yet people are blowing this up to insane levels which is enough to trigger her into doing it again, nijisanji and elira included.
>>69074284
i don't really respect it and for her own mental health's sake she should refrain from mentioning those things, or else she will forever be labeled as "the girl who tried to kill herself while calling out her black company". the state of online/many of the people looking into this drama is that she deserves kindness and pity, instead of calling her a crazy woman, but they're going to keep mentioning her suicide attempts and that can't be good for her mental health. even pity can be weaponized and damage people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
Death of nijiEN means death of male grifters, so its totally fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
Doesn't matter at this point. Selen could come out and say that it was all a LARP intended to smear each and every person at NijiEN and that still wouldn't save kurosanji's reputation.

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>>69073598
Oh nyooo the poor billion-dollar corporation being victimized!
Falseflagging while deflecting with le drama card is getting too predictable sister. You need rape correction.

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>>69073598
The problem with the Dramabird revenge fantasy is that if NijiEN are legally in the right for whatever reason then she's fucked. Everything that is in her favor now gets used against her if she loses legally.
The problem is that if you think Dramabird is acting maliciously and manipulating the situation, then she's likely to lose and face the consequences.
The only good option is that she's innocent and destroying NijiEN was just by accident and out of her control.

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>>69074597
Either dramabird wins and come out of this like a disabled disease ridden pigeon after getting dragged into the blast radius of a $2b detonation. Otherwise, she gets deleted from existence. No good outcomes.

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>>69073598

[Anonymous No.]

>but it is a little unsettling how fast that went.
It's called a backup plan, she was already getting prepared because the possibilities of getting terminated were astronomical, she isn't stupid
>Elira a manager
She sits her fat ass playing 100 hour long JRPGs like Xenoblade 1, 2 & 3 for up to 5-7 hours per stream, when the fuck would she have any time to manage anybody?

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>>69073598
The problem with that theory is what you said. Niji is fucking up so much by themselves that a lot of the info wouldn't even be public if they didn't scream about how they were falsely accused of it.
That behavior is too retarded for anyone to try and predict or play 5D chess around.

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>>69075745
clique deserves prison time

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>>69073598
if you want to give the 'benefit of the doubt' scenario then the most likely option is the one no one likes but can actually often be the case; sometimes people just dont like eachother and dont get along, but neither side is actually a bad person, nor a perfect person.

Doki simply didnt have a personality that meshed with many others in the branch, and little grievances and differences on both sides slowly spiraled out of control until it was a big deal. the only difference is one side had more members due to pre existing confirmed friendships, which lead to a power and pressure imbalance, which typically leads to the underdog being more sympathetic once things come to light.

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>>69073598

[Anonymous No.]

If it comes out that Doki is a mastermind who predicted every Nijisanji fuckup, then my level of respect for her would skyrocket. Because none of her actions gain her this much support if not for Nijisanji doing pretty much everything possible to make things worse.

I just wanna see the anime/manga based on that, detailing her inner monologues as they play into her hand. Might be a bit boring though with no smart character on the other side of it.

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>>69073598
>so thirsty for drama to the point of creating a whole new reality
meds

[Anonymous No.]

Try harder clique.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
If NijiEN implodes does anything of value really get lost? There will be blood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69077482
Other JP corpos pull out of the west rather than risk it, and focus on the domestic market. They tighten or phase out their existing EN branch contracts to protect themselves from getting Niji'ed.

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>>69075956
Not gonna happen, and you know it.
But I do hope Doki sues the shit out of them. And at this point, their reputation is tarnished. Just quit vtubing, and do something more reputable. If they still have any dignity left, that is.

[Anonymous No.]

I thini this whole debacle is over, publicly.
If EN still shits itself after this JP is incompetent for not taking over the reins after the CEO publicly apologizing.

Whether Doki was right or Nijisanji was right will now be handled professionally which means it won't see the light of public day.

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>>69075745
Elira Pendora you are going to fucking jail lmaooooo

[Anonymous No.]

>doki when niji lights itself on fire every day like clockwork

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>>69073598
>what if, what if, what if
This is the height of desperation. Absolutely pathetic. You've lost and are going to face the consequences

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
You can craft whatever wall of text you want with jannies helps but you can't stop the great unifying RRAT.

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>>69077898
>will now be handled professionally which means it won't see the light of public day.
What a joke
Theres no fucking way this happens with how niji is handling it

[Anonymous No.]

>>69074038
I honestly think what happened is Elira brought up the news to Selen in the public part of discord and everyone dogpiled her calling her a retard for having a retard moment.

[Anonymous No.]

Fucking christ she's still edging the potential lawsuit. How much more time does she need to see how Niji is in full backpedal

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
NDF your not going to trick me with shitty psychological tricks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
1000% holofag wouldnt feel the need to start this thread
1000% NDF

[Anonymous No.]

>What if Doki was using her BPD psychic powers to compel NijiEn to shoot themselves in the foot?

[Anonymous No.]

>known as a malicious bully throught her tenure
>alpha bitch in one of the starting waves
>management takes too long to reply to a video so she decides to burn the entire branch down and walk away perfectly unharmed in the court of public opinion
She's the winning dragon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69079389
based

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>>69079389

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
retardus maximus

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
The issue with this theory is that a lot of the shit that Nijianji is getting dragged for at the moment is stuff that they themselves admitted or confirmed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
If she's so smart that she played a multi-million dollar company then I KNEEL.
Anyway, this is bullshit, that plan would be freaking stupid because any "good" answer or actual PR work from Niji would 've been enough to destroy it.

So, good try Elira.

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>>69073744
BPD and sudokos go together like BPD and pity baiting

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
>Is it possible that the clique getting more sponsorships were just closer friends that knew how to get in contact with her are manipulating her
This was absolutely what was happening. It doesn't even require her to be a manager, just that she's receiving special treatment from an actual manager. This is easily provable from public information RE: merch sales which would otherwise make no sense. It is made even more obvious by the fact she had her JP work visa supported by the company. Companies don't do that unless you need to be there i.e. you're management

[Anonymous No.]

>>69079389
>Known as a malicious bully
>Every outsider that worked with her has nothing but kind words and respect

Yeah, sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
based unbiased Holochad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69079284
>Nothing to do with Hololive
>Must be a fake holofag

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
I think this rrat might have more weight if almost EVERY single yab hasn't been from Nijjisanji's own actions. All Doki did was throw some requisite amount of shade, about as much as Nina and Mysta did when they went to VShojo.
So, in order for the "Selen is a master manipulator" to be true, she has to be so good at manipulation that she could puppeteer Niji to implode without doing very much herself. Which is straight into anime BS territory and extremely hard to believe irl.
Maybe if Doki started off with a twitlonger full of accusations or something this might be more believable.

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>>69077914
Am I understanding the GURRAT properly in that Elira is EN "management" and also the leader of the clique and is the one causing problems for those who don't conform to what she wants?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
Wait she sudoku twice? That’s news to me, how is she an apex pred with that aim

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
>whataboutism
Whatever you say NDF. The actual Holochads are doing nothing but gleefully watches as your company burns itself to the ground kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
>has been playing Niji like a fiddle to the point of malice?
She doesn't need to. Nijisanji keeps shooting themselves in the foot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69080654
Holochads just sitting back with popcorn.

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>>69080418
>EVERY single yab hasn't been from Nijjisanji's own actions
Understandable. Every single Niji mistake has simultaneously shot themselves in the foot and placed another gold bar in doki's lap. It's become cartoonish at this point.

>she has to be so good at manipulation
She know enough inner workings of NijiEN and has a veteran strategist (Mr Man) to plan it all out, all within legal 'technically correct' means.

>Maybe if Doki started off with a twitlonger
Maybe, but why stop your enemy from making a mistake?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69080451
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
>What if, what if, what if, what if, what if, what if...
What if, what if, what if, what if, what if, what if...
>What if, what if, what if, what if, what if, what if...
What if, what if, what if, what if, what if, what if...

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
If that's true than this is some fucking death note shit and she's been mind controlling Elira, Vox, Ike and NijiEN management. Because if she actually has no case, why do they take a week to respond and come out with the black screen stream shit. A monkey could have told you that is not how you handle this shit. She couldn't have done better if she was coordinating with Elira to take down NijiEN from the inside.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69081456
>A monkey could have told you that is not how you handle this shit.
Honestly that's the reason I made this thread.

They're doing such a hilariously bad job at it, whatever actual points they have is being overshadowed by all their stupid mistakes, to the point where it's legitimately sad.

Sure haha company burning lolz but is there any actual truth that the actual NDF (Eli/Vox/Ike) that's worth bringing up? And if there are points of truth out there, can we discuss them without jumping to 'but black company is black' narrative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
>What if Doki, now in a position to leverage all that good will, has been playing Niji like a fiddle to the point of malice?
Alright, now tell us how she may have done that. By keeping her statements to a bare minimum and wanting to move on in her public activities?
Nijisanji saying more than they should have said was prompted by their own malicious volition. They should have stayed silent and let their lawyers handle it. But nah, let's shit on Selen before Doki's Neopets stream and make the bullies and backstabbers known even though Doki never named anyone.
Retarded thread, get some help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69080457
Practice rounds

[Anonymous No.]

>>69075386
>The problem is that if you think Dramabird is acting maliciously and manipulating the situation, then she's likely to lose and face the consequences.

Are you the 'Justice always prevails' type? Technical infractions are taken to court regularly. And at this point I would assume Doki would make a more convincing case than the entirety of Niji's Legal dept.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69080215
>her best friend Shachimu was a drama dumpster fire to the point people claimed she'd bring down HoloEN
>she almost got cancelled until mane-chan took off the gloves and started tardwrangling so hard she kept going on successive breaks and hiatuses

[Anonymous No.]

>>69082237
>By keeping her statements to a bare minimum
And leave enough bread crumbs for the schizos to pick up on.
>That's reaching
Dramatubers and 4chan schizos are used flocking to the simplest things like an apostrophe difference, like flies to shit. It's not that far fetched to surmise that this was intended.

>Nijisanji... their own malicious volition
Probably, but if we're going without narrative, they rushed in to stop the bleeding and squish the rrats. It was legitimately breaching into the mainstream.

Of course they did a shit job of that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69082593
No. You can only assume she has a case and didn't doing anything malicious. You're biased and want both, to have your cake and eat it too. You think Niji is incompetent and will lose, but that has nothing to do with what will really happen. They already lose a case on their home turf against someone that actually had a solid case. They will lose again if she does, but if she doesn't then Dramabird becomes Donezobird.

[Anonymous No.]

I dont think her talking about the second attemp was her controlling the narrative with a carefully written statement, it reads to me like shes having a nervous breakdown and feels the need to expose her whole experience to the world. She didn’t want to talk about exactly how much this shit broke her, its extremely embarassing and vulnerable, but niji continuing to spill shit and everyone trying to dig for everything they can made her, perhaps impulsively, feel the need to trauma dump everything she can about the situation even harder, even if it’s not really helpful. It wasn’t written in stable mind.

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>>69073598
She would have to
>Convince artists that have worked with niji to lie about payments
>Bait niji into showing the screenshot that timed in perfectly with her claim of niji not keeping up with permissions
>Bait vox and fags into incriminating themselves by having their own livers admit they saw classified documents
>Bait vox and fags into admitting the termination of selen was 2 hours after getting the legal doc
>Bait niji into releasing that petty video in the first place and also bait them into them airing it during her streaming and then act completely surprised on stream
>Bait Riku into making that financially negligible statement

Basically the controversy isn't even about perms anymore. It's everything niji has done since then

[Anonymous No.]

>has been playing Niji like a fiddle to the point of malice?
Who cares? Start shit get hit
>Is she just the opportunist?
Let her cook, Nijisanji just had to not be a cesspool and none of this shit would have happened.
>Granted it's old merch, but it is a little unsettling how fast that went.
Why? Your grandma could have set that shit up in two hours anymore, she hired someone with experience to do it.

What's the point of this thread? Just playing devils advocate here but maybe you're just retarded?

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>>69083954
think she's a cutter, a druggie, or a fairy girl?

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>>69083939
Anon thats why the thread is called Devil's advocate.

The whole point of the thread is "if Niji wasn't so prevalent at shooting themselves in the foot with stupid stunts and legal gaffs, and if they didn't have their terrible reputation proceed them, do they have any redeemable points worth discussing?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>69084266
Many BPD women cut

[Anonymous No.]

>>69084152
Other than point 1, I wouldn't even call that masterminding at that point. It's cartoon stupidity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69084418
The best case you can make is both sides bad, but one is smart and doesn't disclose more then she should despite being menhera that attempted suicide and the other is retarded that keeps screwing themselves despite being billion dollar company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69074284
Remember Anon, she would never have brought this up and would have happily swept this unhappy episode under the rug.

But then Elira and video happened...

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>>69080982
It would make sense if the shitstorm wasn't caused by Niji.
They started the fire expecting it to burn Selen but the wind started blowing against them, she won while crying, oversleeping and watching twilight with her friend, the community was on her side BEFORE she even send her first post.

She just decided to throw gasoline to the fire Niji started and laugh at them trying to turn it off with more fuel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69084739
>but one is smart
Agreed

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
Nah the amount of sponsorship deals elira herself is getting is way too much for it to be a coincidence. Hell, she gets a lot more sponserships than pomu or selen, which are the top earners with top ccvs. Something's very off here, and the GURRAT explains everything.

[Anonymous No.]

bro why are NDF sisters always posting fucking 10 page essays that nobody would bother reading.
Keep it fucking quick and snappy you fucking dumbfucks

[Anonymous No.]

>>69085008
Just have chatgpt summarize it for you lazychama

[Anonymous No.]

>>69081994
Then declare the points that you want to discuss without saying all the "BuT FeLlAS WhTa iF..."

Just state the points that you think should be discussed and people will take it seriously or ignore it, if you come with such a stupid post obviously they'll care more about the stupid part than the actual discussion.

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>>69073598
Nijisanji did about 70% of this damage to themselves. Their first termination letter was tonedeaf and objectively incorrect from a PR standpoint, and Elira's video with Vox and Ike was utterly disastrous.
They showed absolutely no grace or restraint in this situation whatsoever and turned a bad situation into a much worse one. They appear to have absolutely zero idea how to properly manage a crisis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69084998
I saw that the count was roughly 9:3 Clique to non-clique ratio. Is that right?

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>>69073598
>What if Doki, now in a position to leverage all that good will, has been playing Niji like a fiddle to the point of malice?
Stopped reading there. You really give her too much credit if you think that’s the case. It’s weird how people here hate women so much that it’s easy for them to believe they’re all calculating masterminds, no matter how publicly stupid they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
They literally embezzled from public company. They are going to jail nigga

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
>what if Elira was less of a powerhungry opportunist and from a place of honesty, wanted to spearhead leadership to assist her unsupported EN branch, and started to crack? Is it possible that her honest ineptitude as a manager has ruined her reputation within her own gen? Is it possible that the clique getting more sponsorships were just closer friends that knew how to get in contact with her are manipulating her?
No see I 100% believe this and this was the original point of the God Rrat when I started shilling it: that other rrats require insane assumptions of malice and cartoonish Machiavellian evil, but this one ties everything together with understandable motivations for everyone. She doesn't NEED to be evil for it to work, ineptitude and favoritism is enough. Selen doesn't NEED to be a lvl 100 menhera for it to work, a little bit sensitive is enough. I am going to rewrite a detailed summary of the God Rrat to post later today and get it back on track

[Anonymous No.]

>>69085353
You don't have to be Neil DeGrass Einstein to sic your fans on people you hate. Cancel culture should have taught you that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69085538
Feed me this rrat. I thought it was just favortism for sponsorships. Was there actual legal embezzlement going on?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69085922
The thing cancel culture should have taught you is that fans will sic themselves on people whether you want em to or not

[Anonymous No.]

You idiots don’t know anything. Elira is on Selen’s side. She’s sacrificing herself to sink Millie and Enna. I’m pretty sure she resents them for ruining her branch with their stupid drama. I’m sure she regrets hiring them since they ruined everything for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>69088039
>Everything for me

LUCA!??!?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>69086014
Word is clique was buying apartments while those outside had trouble making rent. And the same split for company paying for their projects vs paying out of their own pocket for work related things. Do take this with a grain of salt, since pic related.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69075905
It's honestly baffling. Every time someone opens their mouth they confirm a previous ratt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69088039
The Code Geass collab...Elira has one eye which is a different color...it all makes sense. This is the greatest LARP of all time.

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>>69081994
I considered that there may be more than we see. And there probably is. But after the Elira stream you can't sit there an honestly think Niji didn't do anything wrong.

Did you watch Doki freak out over it live? That was painful. They purposefully did that and it was malicious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69085337
if its Elira to Pomu, yes, but Selen had zero sponsorship deals for 2023.

Elira is defo doing something to create this discrepancy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69085337
9 to Elira, 2 to POMU and 2 to fucking Finana lol

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>>69074914
Having mental health issues and handling the situation better than the company is just too... funny? Sad? Fucked up?
Like she lawyered up instead of heading to dramatubers, she immediately had the sense to tell her followers "don't bully other people", she keeps on saying she wants to move, let the lawyers handle it, she's now providing JP translations to keep her message consistent and coming from her...
The girl who almost took her own life is more professional and emotionally stable than the company and ex-coworkers that abused her. Even if her BPD made her feel unreasonably attacked and paranoid - what Nijisanji did after was unexcusable. They were one bland PR statement expressing Selen well and making motions to "improve things" away from having this ALL blow over.
It has to be clique thinking because how did ANYONE not step in and say this was fucking stupid?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
BPD western woman just didn't mesh with Japanese work culture.

She assumed (correctly) that she could just go rogue against the company and break every NDA/employment contract she signed on her way out and still manage to come out ahead due to the optics of it.

The fact that she is nuking the careers of a bunch of (mostly) innocent livers/Japanese salarymen and making v-tuber companies infinitely more hesitant to hire western talent in the future is fine. This is a mentally ill woman on a warpath with the entire internet validating her/telling her she is righteous.

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>>69090365

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>>69073598
yes doki is a manipulative bitch but nijisanji deserves it even more

[Anonymous No.]

>>69088203
Yeah I'm taking this with a grain of salt, but I do hope this rrat is real. It means riku will fuck Elira over so hard my sides will go to orbit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
>I'm a 1000% holofag
so youre not a holofag then, got it, falseflagger

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>>69080418
Planners vs schemers. Selen's a planner - look at all the events she organized, all the projects she coordinated. She's a girl who makes spreadsheets. She's an artist who remembered how it was to be a poor artist, so she loves to put money back into the community. She loves doing special things for her community - to a fault! Surely no fan of her wanted her to spend all of her last years profits...
Now consider Enna. She's not organizing shit, but she knows how to work a situation. How far can you go doing karaoke streams and cooking handcams? It's the minimum wage retail mindset that the clique have. Let's just have fun and fuck around... check out this keener bitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>69090304
i agree with you but imagine the entire internet saying "wow even though you're an impulsive mentally ill retarded bitch you still handled this so well!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>69088203
selen made enough where she unthinkingly spent 200k on art commissions

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>>69090600
>If she were a true salaryman she could fucking gaman suru. But she's a weak westernized Chinese barbarian undeserving of Nijisanji's grace.
>Tanaka-san here wants to kill himself every fucking day, but he doesn't, because he knows his place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69090365
Yes Doki made vox and elira and what's his name incriminate themselves and then she made niji fuck up repeatedly and she also convinced the artists that made a living off of niji to stop working for them and also lie about not recieving payments all because of the magic of bpd.

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>>69091025
lol I hope she can see it as a compliment. Because clearly she's a fighter and works for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
>She did get a lot of her new indie streaming and merch sales up and running quite quickly.

my dude she literally had a stream where she desperately played for time while her manager tried patch a storefront together for her big first day back with bits of string and scotch tape before finally giving up

[Anonymous No.]

>>69090304
Because all this talk about BPD is deflection from the sisters

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
>stage 3: bargaining

[Anonymous No.]

>>69091423
For some reason, it feels less condescending coming from this place than it does from twitter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69091597
It, along with justifying the limboing of the mv are the only things they can do. Pretty funny that the first is the opposite of the truth (Niji is more insane) and the second is simply irrelevant

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>>69090304
Did you forget the whole situation started because she had a meltdown over a bunch of livers asking why she threw the company and managers under the bus when they were completely justified in taking down the video, tried to kill herself then threatened the company with a lawsuit?:

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>>69073744
Dude if she said this she obviously has medical record to back it up.

If both sides keep going this is going to get so fucking ugly it's unbelievable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69074038
>Is Doki over-weaponizing her newfound popularity?

How? She never wanted to bring this crap up again. It's Niji that did it. All they had to do was shut up.

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>>69093805
She said management privated the video (which is true) and she ended up suspended because of that.
Then she got terminated because she hired a lawyer.

Niji then dove under the bus in order to deny Selen any chance to throw them there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
Did one of the clique members just make an oopsie?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
The problem with this rrat is that Doki did not DO anything.
Everything that is wrong was done by hijiEN to itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69094274
ok i'll bite
in the same way that elira's ndf is telling people not to harass other vtubers, yet clearly tried to make a powerplay against doki during her stream.

doki could easily slow drip out information in a way that stays consistent with 'i never wanted to let it get this far' and 'dont harass other people' and then slow drip out additional information when provoked by niji's awful team.

This guy, this guy right here, with this twitter account, dont dox him. he's a piece of shit but guys dont harass him *wink*

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>>69094168
i don't know why anyone who feels bad for her needs a medical record, makes you pretend doki fans seem inhumane
>>69091423
>>69093086
she has BPD. look up BPD splitting and black and white thinking. all this flippant talk surrounding her is mentally abrasive. i hope to god she doesn't read /here/

[Anonymous No.]

>>69080215
*People she paid and were contracted by her

[Anonymous No.]

>>69095014
and nobody other than the ndf cares

[Anonymous No.]

>>69095014
Nobody has ever lied about a sudoku attempt right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69094880
>doki could easily slow drip out information

Yet she fucking didn't. She has caps. She has fucking recording. If she wanted to go scorched earth NijiEN members would be literally hiding in basements afraid for their life because internet mob would be screaming for public execution.

This entire Elira stream was pathetic, desperate, retarded attempt to get ready for something Selen could maybe possibly potentially do and it backfired so fucking hard it's amazing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69094880
npjisister who started this shit? and Dokibird only confirmed the barebones of what they said.

For example she could've outed the bullies if she's a dramanig like you claim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69093805
Revisionist bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073720
fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>69095219
>Be outwardly friendly towards people you commission, earn good will by paying people out of your own pocket even though you know your employer will pay you back eventually
>Be a difficult diva with the people you report to.

In all fairness, without a court order, it's easy to fake being two-faced in Doki's exact situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69095238
do you even know what a suicide attempt is? it could be shit that doesn't need hospitalization like walking up to a tall building and considering jumping, or failing at a rope, or not taking pills but instead quitting before you swallow. it's called an attempt not a completion. still serious, unless you want to call everything doki is doing a stupid female's cry for attention

[Anonymous No.]

>>69088039
anyone wanna bet which liver this is?

[Anonymous No.]

An unspoken thing that no one is mentioning is that part of the outrage is a general outrage towards black corpos. The situation with Riro and idol exposed how corporations can throw their workers under the US instead of taking responsibility to the west with key content creators like Conor speaking out against these corporations throwing their talents under the bus to reserve their black corpos reputation. That added with the prior things with Yugo and Sayu added to the backdrop of black corpos bad. I guarantee you less people care about bullying and care more about Nijisanji being fucking pussies and not taking responsibility for their whack ass statement throwing their long time worker under the bus just like idol did to Riro, Wactor did to their talents, amd Niji did to Sayu and Yugo

[Anonymous No.]

>>69093805
They were torpedoing her projects for months. People were speculating about her leaving for ages because everybody could see she's hated by Elira and her orbiters. Coffee MV was just the final straw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69093805
>completely justified in taking down the video
dyrb

[Anonymous No.]

Doki has been completely neutral during this whole thing. She was ready to move one from day one and only has responded whenever Niji has attcked her first. Niji has brought their own ruin upon themselves. You can't but the blame on Doki just cause she's handling herself better than a billion dollar company

[Anonymous No.]

>>69094354
>she ended up suspended because of that
Proof? Honestly, even if she was, it'd be perfectly justified considering what she did in blatantly posting a video without perms , ignoring her manager then throwing them under the bus

>Then she got terminated because she hired a lawyer
No, she was terminated for threatening to sue the company she worked for. The same thing any reasonable company would do

[Anonymous No.]

>>69094548
>/vt/cels believing everything since GURRAT dropped
Don't dig for the truth, anon. Don't waste your time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69095354
Sorry, I meant to say she has been slow dripping out information.

Example
>Hospitalized
>Picture
>Attempted sudoku
>Niji denies it
>There was a second attempted sudoku

But she absolutely has been slow dripping information. That's not to say that other people haven't been unleashing information about her as well.

>She could easily go scorched earth
If anything, Doki is smart, at least to this elementary level, she's smart enough not to show her cards this early.

It goes against the narrative of "I just wanted to end thing neutrally."
Full scorched earth would divide her fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
What does NDF mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
The only thing worse than NDF is being a useful idiot contrarian.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69096326
https://en.ndf.ir/

[Anonymous No.]

>>69095830
>Selen shows her manager the video for approval on Christmas
>Manager: So sorry for getting back to you so late, I was busy with Christmas stuff. The video will good to go once I get perms for the graduated livers
>Selen posts the video ignoring her manager
>Manager: I see you've posted the video while I was in the middle of getting permission for it. Why would you do that? I privated the video, please wait until I get permission then you can reupload it or unprivate it, ok?
>Selen goes on Twitter and throws her manager under the boss

That manager deserves a raise DESU

[Anonymous No.]

>>69096326
Lurk moar

[Anonymous No.]

>>69095354
>ready for something Selen could maybe possibly potentially do
This desu. If Selen wanted to scorch the Earth she already would have. Nijisanji EN has inflicted all of their wounds themselves thus far. You can't play Devil's advocate when the Devil did it to themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69096326
Nijisanji Defense Force.

[Anonymous No.]

>ndf continues to ndf

[Anonymous No.]

>>69095979
>Proof?
Niji stated as much in the termination notice. But what do you think was her status from between the MV to when she was terminated?
>it'd be perfectly justified
No shit. Why are you asking for proof she was suspended when it's obvious why?

>No, she was terminated for threatening to sue the company she worked for.
Proof?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69096578
thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>69096513
>Manager: So sorry for getting back to you so late, I was busy with Christmas stuff. The video will good to go once I get perms for the graduated livers
Why you don't mention 30+ hours of ghosting after this?

[Anonymous No.]

NDF is in every corner, spreading lies like a propaganda machine. All for the taste of riku samas dick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69096513
>Busy with Christmas stuff
>For 37 hours
>In a culture that doesn't celebrate Christmas and it's not a public holiday
ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>69096513
Didn't Selen get permissions for everything way earlier?
Why the hell didn't either Selen or management do anything about permissions or a general status check at any point during the video being worked on?

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>>69096730
>>No, she was terminated for threatening to sue
There is none. This is revisionism, Selen's lawyer submitted a HR request. Nijisanji EN fired her. Her an hero attempt around Christmas likely was the result of her cover being pulled with thousands of dollars going into it.
Captcha: 0HRTA

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>>69096809
That was the 30+ hours, the video went up and was privated inside another 15.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69096513
>Selen shows her manager the video for approval on Christmas 2022.
>Manager: So sorry for getting back to you a year later, the video will be good to go once I get perms for the graduated livers we own the IP for.
>Selen posts the video ignoring her manager because it's been over a year and she's sick of this manager interfering with her work.
>Manager: I see you've posted the video while I was trying to fuck you over. Why would you do that? I privated the video so your fans can't see it.
>Manager goes on Twitter and skinwalks Selen.
ftfy

[Anonymous No.]

>>69095615
Keep an eye on the rose?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69097454
There are two roses though, but only one is currently in spotlight.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck the NDF
>2%
>2 fucking %
>can't even touch the silver buttons
>no concerts
>no support
>doesn't pay artists
>bullshit arbitrary perms
>middle school clique drama
>bullies a girl into attempting suicide
>accuses victim of bullshit
>fagboy CEO bows like a bitch to investors

I couldn't imagine being such lowly scum

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>>69096730
>Niji stated as much in the termination notice. But what do you think was her status from between the MV to when she was terminated?

She wasn't suspended for the tweet, she was in the hospital and on the edge of having a mental breakdown so they locked her out of her account until she was released which explains her tweet about getting out the hospital

>Proof?
The legal document that proves she accused people of harassment and that she was gathering evidence for proof of favouritism? Keep up

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>>69073598
I haven't even WATCHED the official response from NJ and I still know their reply was HORRENDOUS. I challenge you to point to where they explain how they will treat talents better. This would be extremely obvious and extremely easy to do, both for you and them, if it was the truth, but I think we all suspect it isn't.

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>>69097053
Manager could be a Christian or a foreigner living in Japan. Just because Japan barely celebrates Christmas doesn't mean everyone in Japan barely celebrates Christmas

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>>69097879
She didn't accuse anyone of harassment, anon.

She was uncomfortable at work, gathered her thoughts and shared it with niji in hopes of peaceful way out. That's her words.

Other speculations are just speculations. Even if you're Vox and feel "accused".

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>>69098553
>She was uncomfortable at work, gathered her thoughts and shared it with niji in hopes of peaceful way out. That's her words.

No they aren't. Those are your words, she never said any of this except that she wanted a peaceful way out.

>Other speculations are just speculations. Even if you're Vox and feel "accused"

Except that Elira, Vox and Ike all read the legal document and said she claimed she was harassed and that Niji played favorites. That isn't speculation

[Anonymous No.]

>>69098867
Re-read her last twitter post then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69098867
>History must be re-written

[Anonymous No.]

>>69098136
Now you just pulling it from your ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69095619
Wait what happened with Riro?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
>Is she just the opportunist?
Sure. The only way she could be getting Niji to react this badly intentionally would open herself up to counterattack. And clearly Niji isn't afraid to attack with full force, so it's unlikely. It'd be really stupid to not take the golden opportunity that Niji keeps handing her.

>She did get a lot of her new indie streaming and merch sales up and running quite quickly. Granted it's old merch, but it is a little unsettling how fast that went.
Is it? Given some experience, I can only imagine it taking a few hours to get a youtube stream set up, especially if you can just copy over old settings from your old PC. She clearly hadn't fine tuned the first stream since Twitch alerts and whatnot were on. The simple merch she had would basically just take renewing old orders with the companies and updating the prices. As an existing customer that's dead simple.
All her streams indicate that she's just been slapping shit together last minute.

>Elira's not a crazy bitch, she's just dumb
I mean yeah, that's kinda what I figure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
>what if Elira was less of a powerhungry opportunist
except she is in way too many illustrations for merch launches out of anyone despite not being the most popular girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>69075830
>when the fuck would she have any time to manage anybody?
Exactly. Which explains the severe lack of management.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69098553
Yea its totally normal to openly defy your manager violating company policy, openly shit-talk your employer on twitter, and then lawyer up and send them a list of complaints/accusations some of which are serious enough to be potentially criminal.

She was just making a totally normal HR request and the fact that she might have been fired for it is horrible and wrong and makes me so mad. Nijisanji is an evil black company and everyone who works there should go to jail.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69094548
even if you count all terminated/graduated members of nijiEN, they still never got to 40 talents
Who is this monkey

[Anonymous No.]

>>69099905
What is normal is subjective. But she didn't "accuse" anyone of anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69099905
>yfw there is no HR
>management privated the video is shit-talking

[Anonymous No.]

>>69099905
>Doki is a machiavellian villain that managed to mindbreak the entirety of NijiEN
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>69099657
>I mean yeah, that's kinda what I figure.

I'm going one step more sympathetic and proposing she took the faux managerial position because of the sudden power vacuum and she had some of the translating skills, but she was never manager material. Or never properly trained/experienced.

As time went by both streaming/stream prep and managerial work became too much for her and any semblance of properly managing and fairness started to crack open, and then you have ill advisors like M&E to take advantage of an overworked volunteer manager Elira.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69096275
"Only pain will you find."

[Anonymous No.]

dramabird isn't her real name stop using it

[Anonymous No.]

>>69099657
As many has said before elira got way too many sponsorship opportunities for her to be doing this with no selfish reasons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
>Open pro-niji thread
>Fanfiction

>>69099421
I'm curious too.
I saw she was fired after doing that members only stream, and the corpo gave a list of reasons why, but in her new (Or rather, old) account she commented that she denies the allegations but is under NDA? What happened to that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
>getting a little sad to see Niji keep hurting itself in its confusion.
Yeah maybe they should stop furiously shooting themselves to death. Unforced self-owns are not Doki's fault, and she's definitely not smart enough to be playing 4D chess. All that the Nijis had to do was keep their mouths shut and let her go be an indie in peace.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69100927
It's doubly hilarious when you notice NDF keeps making fun of her attempts like the absolute evil cunts they are, while their own company's RTAing through every method known to man

[Anonymous No.]

>>69101655
Now it looks like she is cancelling her streams due to ongoing legal troubles and I want to say her fans are on suicide watch, but that might be a little too much. What do you think?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69098867
>Clique publically claims to have read legal documents, that were given to management and they were not supposed to have access to, claim said documents accuse them of harassments and favoritism with management
If this plot showed up in a movie it would be criticized as painting the villains as too stupid and evil to the point of parody.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69101811
It's being misinterpreted by many people as breaking an NDA or showing medical records. At the point it's submitted to the company it's their property, and they can use it as part of their internal investigation. Unfortunately, it was self-incriminating which is probably what motivated the rapid termination, as well as showing it to other livers concerned. The only stupid thing is how it was misinterpreted due to anti-niji bias. They're a stupid company but she and the fans are even more stupid. The whole affair is like the stupid olympics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69101655
You also have to remember that there was a major discrepancy between EN's statements and statements from the JP branch. So someone absolutely isn't telling the truth, and it's more than likely EN.
In fact with how the controversy has started to make the rounds among JP fans, it may even be possible that Riku might hire some people to look into the EN situation on his end.

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>>69102393
Holy fucking cope.
No, legal documents are not free to be shared indiscriminately. They contain confidential information. Not to mention there was apparently a confidentiality agreement on them on top of whatever sensitive information they had, i.e medical records.
Just being named in them does not give you the rite to read through them.

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>>69102393
Except the statement on the EN twitter afterwards tried to walk it back and claim that they only shared necessary information and that they didn't make any confidentiality violations, which means they know full well that they're limited in what they can do with the documents.

Otherwise the statement would be "the documents are ours now, we have full legal right to share them to anyone we choose"

[Anonymous No.]

>>69102393
Sister, please, go back to the drawing board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69102393
At least you tried.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69102708
>No, legal documents are not free to be shared indiscriminately
Which is what nobody said, and exactly proves the point here.
>>69102844
This is not the case. They were obviously responding to the vague allegation/suggestion that originated from DramaBird herself that suggested they leaked protected documents. This was not true, which is why they double checked it and came out with that statement. You have to think and not interpret it in the way you want it to be. React streamers were asking where they leaked the medical documents for similar reasons, because nobody is using their brain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69102393
It's called the retard olympics and you get a gold medal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69103204
Apparently I'm the only one that can see it for what it is though. You're all choosing to be retarded. Not even pretending to be retarded, you are actively choosing to be retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69103194
No, they literally said they read them "thoroughly".

[Anonymous No.]

>>69103194
>suggested they leaked protected documents.
No, they flat out stated it. And then had to backtrack and claim they only released "portions"

[Anonymous No.]

>>69098136
Christmas is the day you hang out with your partner or family and have sex.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm still subbed to Elira.
Is it time? Do I press the button?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69103606
Basically all portions except medical, if I've read their technically-correct speak right, lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69103284
You can't see shit for shit. This situation is crystal clear and yet you keep coming up with bullshit excuses based on false equivalences. The writing is on the wall and your oshis are fucked

[Anonymous No.]

>>69103284
>I'm not retarded everyone else is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69102393
>At the point it's submitted to the company it's their property, and they can use it as part of their internal investigation.
Not even the NijiEN damage control post says this.
So, once again,
>Fanfiction

[Anonymous No.]

>>69098936
No where in the statement did she say she used her document to explain how she was uncomfortable at work to Niji. She used the document to explain her thoughts to her lawyer. The document was sent to Niji, probably under revisions and additions. She was accusing them of harassment

[Anonymous No.]

>>69104446
And "her thoughts" equal "harassment accusations" exactly how?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69103194
I bow to the Nijisanji interpreter. I'm glad there's a single person that can accurately translate their english into real english for us. Everyone else in the world is wrong. Glory be unto the Speaker of Nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>69104662
The fact that Doki said she was being harassed and silenced behind the scenes and Niji said she claimed she was being harassed in her termination notice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69105004
She was silenced by the contract, yes.
"Bullying from within" can be anything - friends, family whatever. It doesn't mention niji at all.
If "the bullies", whoever they are, feel defamed, they can sue.

[Anonymous No.]

I thought the sisters made a discord server to better organize
Why can't they come up with better arguments?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69103194
>the vague allegation/suggestion that originated from
It was Vox that said he thoroughly read the documents, which is what got Doki's response.
Then came the reply, which again, stated that they didn't make any confidentiality violations and only shared necessary information. Which means they know that they can't share everything.

Either Vox is just talking out of his ass, or somebody may have shared something with him that they weren't supposed to. Neither is a good look, but the former is at least better from a legal standpoint.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69105308
Are you playing stupid? She was obviously talking about Niji and it's still obviously about Niji. Why the fuck would she be talking about being bullied by her family and why would Niji be silencing her about it?

Are you stupid?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69103907
>>69103937
>>69104358
>>69104790
>>69105512
I am actually the only one here right now that isn't seething and frothing at the mouth. If that wasn't the case you would see that everything I posted was how it is. The proof is your replies and the replies of other anons. You cannot argue against the plain truth without showing how incredibly stupid and removed from reality you are.
As long as you keep on making up stories and rrats and misinterpreting shit people say you will always be wrong. No posts, no replies, no arguments can change that. You shoot yourself in the foot from the start by doing that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69105382
They can't make better argument without literally lying anon. You know it, everybody know it

[Anonymous No.]

>>69105911
Yes my Seer, you are the only one with the clear vision, I understand. Pray tell, what else do you See in Nijisanji's words that we, mere mortals cannot comprehend?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69105911
>You shoot yourself in the foot from the start by doing that.
So the same PR technique as a certain Japanese corporation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69102393
Yes, McDonald's leaking their employees social security number is totally in their right to do so. Lmao get a job and move out of mommy's basement

[Anonymous No.]

>>69105877
What I'm saying, she was never accusing niji of anything. She never accused talents of anything. They all self reported.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69105911
There is no plain truth. We have nothing except he said/she said.
Except they keep having to walk back what he said because oops it looks bad or is straight up illegal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69105911

[Anonymous No.]

I think its absolutely retarded and borderline malicious at this point to allow NijiEN to get away with this. Doki has everything needed to put a final nail into that entire cesspool of a rotten branch and instead of doing that and saving those either stuck in the branch already or stopping future talents from ending up there, she's just pulling the pathetic "uwu pls dont fight guys move on uwu" shit. Meaning this drama that could actually put down a shithole branch ruining peoples lives goes up in smoke. Anycolor just gets to shrug and move on and NijiEN gets to continue to ruin peoples lives. Good shit you pathetic weak minded idiot. You let them win.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69105911
>N-no ur the one seething! You're all just stupid and liars!
Ahahaha he's fuming so badly that he couldn't even address a single argument

[Anonymous No.]

>>69105911
>I am actually the only one here right now that isn't seething and frothing at the mouth.
Doth protest too much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69106328
the fact shes still pushing this spineless lets just move on shit still is a joke. Kurosanji does not deserve that level of good will. They get to wash their hands clean of this now and act like it never happened.

[Anonymous No.]

I just want to say that if I ever paid for a company expense out-of-pocket, I'd get chewed out by my supervisors all the way up to the executives for violating company policy (tax and audit reasons).
I'll be featured in a powerpoint slide detailing my fuckup and employees will be warned to not to do what I did. Actual work will be stopped for supervisors to tard wrangle their employees and drill into their heads that this is not acceptable behavior.
And if this happened a second time I'd be terminated effective immediately.
NijiEN management is fucked up beyond all recognition

[Anonymous No.]

You know it's bad when NDF need to lie everytime they make a post. Anyone here know what happened, you can't fool us

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107462
Dragoons are gaslight proof. Futile attempts all around.
>>69106683
>lets just move on shit still is a joke.
Apathy will let us see the EN branch to rot. Antipathy will burn it and may leave ashes behind that may spur new growth

[Anonymous No.]

>>69107721
EN branch will 100% get to ignore this ever happening now. Within a week or two people will forget it ever happened. Because Doki lacked a spine or any conviction in her body. She'd rather shrug and move on while allowing current and future EN talent to suffer under the hands of NijiEN. It's unacceptable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69108541
>future EN talent
If anyone wants to join Niji EN after this, that's on them. Imagine, someone sailing aboard the sinking Titanic and thinking, 'Yes, this will a fine fucking ride.' while the ship is on the bottom of the ocean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69108541
>irreparably cause the melt-down of one of the buggest EN vtuber branches
>extracate herself from controversy and play neopets
>let nijikuro wallow in its own shit

[Anonymous No.]

Let's say theoretically there's a secret about Doki that if it got out would completely ruin her and reverse the public opinion on her. What block then would fit into this hole approximately? My best guesses, besides being a pedo embezzling cannibal:

>Being an absolute bully herself.
Depends on the severity of course but only borderline criminal bullying would see the mob flip on her, but what if it was Selen's behavior that got The Clique to form in the first place? This has been the piece that's fits the best so far thinking it over last night.

>Selen has been bullying/manipulating Mumei
This would also destroy her in the public court of opinion. If it turns out she's been gaslighting her in any way, things could flip on Doki pretty fucking fast or at least deflate her goodwill campaign.

>Doki is pro-Biden/has massive TDS
The least likely but kinda interesting nonetheless. Politicizing the situation would do a great job in muddying the waters up for The Clique without releasing anything (more) legally culpable and would derail the hate train big time. I wouldn't say ProDoki is strictly MAGA at all, but it does make up a significant portion of the movement, notably including 4chan. Derailing the schizos would do a great job in protecting the Clique from any more serious investigation.

Again this is all completely theoretical. A work of fiction and all that. Why has it been bothering me so much? Perhaps anxiety over what the Clique's next move is? I know most people would say they shouldn't even been shitting without consulting a lawyer at this point, but we're dealing with very short sighted people here, trapped in a corner and desperate to save face in any way, including ruining Doki's face. If The Clique does have hard dirt on Doki, why haven't they released it yet? What are they waiting for? Why am I wasting so much time on a nothingburger?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69109291
Now that the CEO has been forced to make a statement I don't think anyome can jump the gun any longer
Anycolor probably also going to start playing by the book and start shutting the fuck up and let their lawyers do the talking

[Anonymous No.]

>>69109115
>If anyone wants to join Niji EN after this, that's on them. Imagine, someone sailing aboard the sinking Titanic and thinking, 'Yes, this will a fine fucking ride.' while the ship is on the bottom of the ocean.
None of this matters now because within a month's time the drama is completely forgotten. Riku can just pretend he did something and that things are totally different while nothing's changed. People will join the company and get bullied still because of this. She had the chance to make a meaningful impact and she chose the coward's path instead.
>irreparably cause the melt-down of one of the buggest EN vtuber branches
>extracate herself from controversy and play neopets
>let nijikuro wallow in its own shit
Kurosanji will have successfuly made everyone forget this ever happened within a month tops now. Doki lacks a backbone so Anycolor gets to happily accept her unwarranted second chance and keep going. The meltdown has actually been completely avoided thanks to Doki gladly spilling buckets of water on the reactor to cool it down. She saved Kurosanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69109657
>implying every subsequent graduation won't reignite the fire

[Anonymous No.]

>>69109657
>unwarranted second chance
There are no second chances being given here. Niji En has dug themselves too deep to be let off of the hook. They aren't being forgiven, they are being forgotten. Doki hasn't said she wants to forgive them she wants everyone to leave them dead in the ditch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69110038
lol anon nobody will even remember this in a month's time now. It's over. She needed to take advantage of the unique opportunity she was gifted and she chose to toss it away for some pathetic "be the bigger man" nonsense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
I feel it's kind of like the Mass Effect 3 theories running around that Shepherd was indoctrinated, back in the day.

Long story short: the writing and ending were so nonsensical that a crazy rrat was more believable and logical than the actual plot the game presented.

In this case, Niji's actions are so nonsensical and backwards insane that it's easier to believe that a single individual former employee is playing a billion dollar corporation like a fiddle and is in fact a genious manipulator.

The truth sadly is the most mundane and obvious: NijiEN still thought they own the narrative and the platform and that the sheer ammount of blind fans who'd eat up whatever they put on a plate would outweight the dissenters. This proved not to be the case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69109657
Where the fuck do you people get copium this strong? It wouldn't matter even if they could shut up long enough for people to forget about this, they refuse to fix the problem. They've been losing livers because of dogshit management for over a year and you idiots keep excusing it hoping that everything will go back to normal if you just plug your ears and close your eyes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69073598
She went from "I didn't want people to know why I was at the hospital" to "you know what? It was actually 2 times not just one haha do you pity me more now?"
What happened?

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>>69110270
As of today, she literally won though?
Trying to bury niji further will bury herself too.

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>>69073598
The real redpill is that Niji management is dumb as fuck and the stuff about the Whore Clique is true while the stuff about Selen being a suicide baiting menhera cunt flipping out on others for schizo menhera reasons is also true. The Enlightened Centrist position of wanting to enjoy maximum chaos as the golden yacht sinks into the Japan Sea is the best position of all.

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>>69109657
It's just like Sayu said. You can move on, you can apologize, and things can definetly get better. But that won't ever erase that it happened and people will always know.

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>>69110516
That's what GURRAT for anyway, lol

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>>69110516
She "won" by being a coward and allowing Nijisanji to continue to ruin other talents lives. Sure she gets to get a nice big boost of approval by people for seeming like the bigger man and above petty drama but all she actually did was selfishly end the drama while allowing NijiEN to memoryhole this from existence. New gen within the next couple months and nobody will even remember selen existed.

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>>69108541
I dont think NijiEN will be able to ignore this depending on the way Anycolor's stock goes, its going a bit back up but its still not doing hot right now. Plus there's the fact that some talents like Elira are still down 30k subs and still losing them now, this isn't something you can easily shrug off.
The only way the EN branch will be able to ignore it is if Anycolor dissolves it for good.

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>>69110613
Funniest outcome is the Yacht sinking while the clique and dramabird fight to death on the deck.

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> why as her mental psyche improves, she is more open to talk about the dark part of her past.
It means the therapy is working

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>>69110516
>As of today, she literally won though?
She won in the eyes of the public opinion but thats meaningless. She had the full backing of the public no matter what choice she made.
>Trying to bury niji further will bury herself too
if she actually cared about what Niji management was doing to its talents she would've happily chose to go down with the ship to sink Nijisanji. This just shows she doesn't give a fuck about Nijisanji treating its talents like shit. She only cares about her own mental.

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>>69073598
DOKI'S NEW WAITING ROOM FOLLOW THROUGH

https://youtu.be/LYaJuyevUnU?si=gsWdCRZv8xq2kGH0
https://youtu.be/LYaJuyevUnU?si=gsWdCRZv8xq2kGH0
https://youtu.be/LYaJuyevUnU?si=gsWdCRZv8xq2kGH0

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>>69110270
All she can do is let Anycolor do the offense. If they commence a lawsuit she will win. If she sues Anycolor it may turn from, 'winning the war and lose the battle' to 'win the battle lose the war.' Anycolor is losing sponsors right now and opportunities while Doki gains sponsors and chances to grow her personal channel. If she sues, getting tied down in litigation presenting her case, her chance to grow may pass her. If Anycolor sues then she can leave that to her lawyers to defend her and she just has to present the receipts when they are requested while continuing work on her brand.

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>>69111033
>She only cares about her own mental.
Yeah, no shit. She tried to commit sudoku. I'm not sure why you're expecting her to go through a stressful legal battle just for the sake of those that are still on Kurosanji's sinking ship. Especially when those are people who bullied her or at the very least didn't stand up for her.

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>>69111136
No what she can do is drop the receipts. Unleash the nuke. That's the only acceptable outcome and she decided to choose the cowards way out. Sure she'll grow her brand for now, but in a couple months after NijiEN has released like five new gens of talent, nobody will even remember this happened to begin with. Meanwhile Doki will be some low 3view nobody indie that nobody knows exists.

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>>69111033
> if she actually cared about what Niji management was doing to its talents she would've happily chose to go down with the ship to sink Nijisanji. This just shows she doesn't give a fuck about Nijisanji treating its talents like shit. She only cares about her own mental.

Spoken like a true retard. Why doesn't every PTSD patient become a awareness ambassador or speaks out about the experience all the time? Are they selfish and only care about themselves?

People do not want to fucking relive their traumatic experience again and again.

>What manage do to their talents.
Hey if Vox AKUMA said "people are free to graduate anytime", then why do selen wants to say people who's screaming "I choose to get stabbed"

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>>69111136
how does she win the lawsuit im confused

it seems like she almost certainly violated her employment contract and NDA based off of how she behaved (before and after her firing)

her claims against the company are "they played favorites and dicked me around on my projects"

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>>69111384
>She should just publicly drop her entire legal defense and get sued into dust
It's people like you who are going to get millenials to support mandatory online age verification.

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>>69111384
>Meanwhile Doki will be some low 3view
That's what will happen if she stuck in legal proceeding unable to stream. (streamer suicide) All she has to do is copy the Vietcong strategy of bleeding out the giant until they retreat and try to get some collabs with larger streamers. She could even attempt to stream with the big shots in the industry currently

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>>69111384
This situation assumes that
>A) Selen is willing to ignore her lawyer's advice for some quick adrenaline and greatly increase her risk of getting sued for thousands in actual reputational damage
and
>B) There will still be people tuning into NijiEN debuts after the fanbase showed progressively less interest in new talents throughout 2023.
None of TTT's talents have hit 100k subs yet despite how easy it was for Iluna and LOLISEX, and views arent great either.

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>>69111384
Who the fuck is going to want to join Nijisanji after this? You legitimately have down syndrome if you think that Nijien has anywhere to go but down and Doki has anywhere to go but up.

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>>69111973

it seems like she almost certainly violated her employment contract and NDA based off of how she behaved (before and after her firing)

The entire point of her receipts is that Canadian labor laws override both of those under the working conditions that she's alleging. That's why she's showing them to lawyers and not terminally online retards.

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>>69111384
It looks like they are baiting each other, whoever spill first lose. Elira, Vox & Ike video, the legal document Doki send is threatening and we can be dox, but we can't really disclose the document wink wink. And that vid is same time Doki is streaming maybe hoping Doki will make a mistake. Then Doki with his latest tweet, all what Elira, Vox & Ike said on the video is false, but I can't disclose the docs & receipts wink wink. If we play devil advocate feel like provoking Elira, Vox & Ike to show want documents they saw.

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>>69105911
Shut the fuck up, you delusional nijinigger - no-one's buying your retarded faggotry.

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>>69110613
>I'm so retarded that I will literally accept both sides are true

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>>69112122
I could see some opportunists trying to do it for an easily visibility boost, but odds are that'd be low talent streamers who don't give a fuck about any of the black company shit and are probably shitty people themselves.
Either that, or Niji might have to worry about people joining specifically with the goal of trying to gather evidence and dump it all purely for the clout of burning the company down for good.

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>>69112253
just saying she is in blatant breach of a bunch of contracts she willingly signed

meanwhile I am not sure what legal claim she is supposed to have against the company? "they played favorites and ruined all my projects" doesn't sound legally actionable

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>>69106159
Oh no, she didn't accuse Niji or the livers of anything. She only STRONGLY IMPLIED it was them. Even courts don't fall for this shit

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>>69113436
"Them" being?

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>>69111810
>Spoken like a true retard. Why doesn't every PTSD patient become a awareness ambassador or speaks out about the experience all the time?
Yes, if it means saving other PTSD patients from suicide/self harm than yes. That is the moral and just path to take.
>Are they selfish and only care about themselves?
Yes this is objectively true. They are choosing the selfish path.

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>>69112122
Everyone after they completely memoryhole this drama in the next month. Selen won't even be on the minds of most indies looking to join a big corpo a couple months down the road.

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i still think paying projects out of your own pocket then blaming niji for not paying it is stupid

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>>69110823
>allowing Nijisanji to continue to ruin other talents lives
Not her problem

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>>69073598
even if everything they claim about Doki turns out to be true (I imagine some of it is) it won't justify the sheer level of incompetent on display. On top of that this happened after a bunch of events that drained most good will people had for the company. This is a culmination of their bad management; their just deserves. Smart livers will keep their heads down until they have a exit strategy, the company deserves no loyalty.

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>>69113950
Them being the company that literally just fired her

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NDF Pajeets out in force kek

I don't even like the chinky dragon but this damage control is just too entertaining

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>>69113436
Isn't Nijisanji the actual side that first strongly implied that shit publicly? What the fuck are you even on about?

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>>69115419
So, not the talents. That's progress.
But I believe NIJI are big boys and can handle it themselves.

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>>69115531
Good morning. Saar, I respect everyone in NijiEN more than any of you bloody fair weather fans who turn on our boys and girls when things get complicated. Please redeem your suicide.

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>>69110981
The whole thing is great because everyone involved is a giant piece of shit. I was fully sympathetic to Dramabird until the giant word vomit talking about how actually she tried to kill herself twice and also her dad was on his knees sobbing and crying. That made it clear that whatever real shit has happened, she's almost certainly a manipulative BPD cunt herself. So everyone on both sides going down is the only good outcome.

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>>69073598
Op is a victim blamer and a faggot

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>>69073744
>if they didn't want to elicit a reaction

Or they just wanted to give more information on the situation.

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>>69113125
I like a good shitshow so a group of mean, possibly criminal alpha Stacy bullies against a fat BPD chinagirl is mega kino. That's all I care about.

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>>69116211
Cope

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>>69115894
>"Bullying within the company"
>Somehow the talents in the company aren't part of the company

Are Dokicucks always this retarded?

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>>69117411
That's some huge mental hoops you're going here through bro. If I say I was bullied, that doesn't mean the whole humanity did it.

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Dramabird drama threads is just an inevitable outcome. She has a scumbag lawyer that is getting her into trouble and bad at negotiating and now she's turned into a martyr by fans and antis alike. The drama is never going to leave her.
Pomu was actually smart. That's why it's Dramabird and not Pomu Dramapuff.

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So how does it work on the discord, is it just a whole bunch of you theorycrafting your shit posts and just having a few agents post them everywhere. Cause it's gotta be some effort being this retarded.

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>>69116211
>Mentally recovering girl trauma dumps when pushed.
Who'd have seen this coming? Go anon, fix her with a good dicking.

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Doki has already proven Niji is incompetent and likely has some mean girls shit going on within it. Nijisanji has just approached the issue so horrendously that it's undeniable their management sucks dick, and it's hard to believe people like Elira and Vox aren't cunts. Just look at how much Elira merch was released last year vs. the others. It wouldn't be the first time someone accused a clique of existing there, either.

People are handling Dokibird with kid gloves though, because her last statement was terrible. It's defensive, it backpedals on some of her previous claims, and it all makes it sound like she doesn't have a case. If she were smarter, she just wouldn't comment and leave people guessing, because now it just sounds like Nijisanji is a shithole infested with cunts, but that Selen only discovered this because she's a professional target and not because she actually "kept receipts" or has anything substantial.

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>>69110823
That's literally not her problem. If you wanna torpedo your career by going after them yourself, go for it.

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>>69073598
Retard
You deserve everything coming to Niji

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Two suicide attempts within a month, you're not walking out of the hospital the 2nd time without an absolute ton of negligence on the part of the hospital. I have a feeling her "attempts" were extremely minor in scope really. In other words, they were attention seeking actions, but not serious attempts.

As much as I am siding with Doki, I also realize that as of now, none of this is actually verified and it's all "He said / She said" back and forth with no actual proof and we're all just siding with Doki because it's the narrative we want to side with.

For all we know, Doki is just a menhara playing us all for fools knowing we really can't verify anything. She says she has receipts, but just saying so doesn't mean she actually does, let alone they have actual substance. The way Anycolor has handled this though is just piss poor, especially dragging other talents into it.

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>>69102708
This works off the assumption Doki was telling the truth about it being a legal document.

Go read her last statement and read between the lines. She mentions she had her lawyer convey she didn't want anyone to see it, then the very next section talks about the difficulties of conveying information across language barriers.

To me, that read like she was confessing something might have gotten lost in translation and the document did not receive the legal protections it was intended to receive. At the very least, it's now unclear if sharing that document was even a violation.

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>>69118332
Women are always this retarded, that's why they unironically need men to tard-wrangle them, otherwise the repulsive ones get together and this is the result.

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>>69118574
Don't stick your dick in crazy. She will Lorena Bobbit you if you piss her off via whatever imagined slight her menhera brain has conjured.

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>>69119563
Very likely what she did was she took too many pills. She got her stomach pumped then she went back.
Killing yourself by pills is extremely inefficient and Rarely results in your death.

I don't think that she did the noose because quite frankly I'm not sure that she knows how to tie a noose or that she'd have a high enough ceiling to hang it from.
She certainly didn't use helium otherwise she wouldn't have lasted.

Doesn't seem to have any difficulty playing games which means that you likely didn't slit her wrists deep enough to actually bleed out.

So where does that leave us? Pills and alcohol. She likely overdosed, got caught overdosing and was sent into the hospital twice.

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>>69109657
She's an internet comedian, not a lawyer with a savior complex. Fuck off.

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>>69119678
This is what I said earlier. Her entire statement doesn't actually say anything about whether or not the company confirmed that they had also signed a privacy agreement / NDA to the documents. It very likely looks like she had thought that they did and that they didn't

Which is probably why she's so stressed. They now have a whole bunch of information about her that they did not actually agree to keep private. Which is a fuck up on her lawyer's part, he should have had them agree to an NDA before he sent them anything.

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>>69117758
>Bullying within the company

Ah yes, surely the managers who exist solely to get perms and tard wrangle were bullying her and not her fellow livers who are her friends and colloquially speak to her

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>>69118597
This, she literally told people that her evidence was worthless and had to resort to pity, most likely she wants to leave it at that because she is going to lose the argument of breaking rules in the company but she can gain about breaking the paperS agreement

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>>69120188
Eh, I have literally no idea? That's just your assumptions, not implications.

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>>69120188
The managers showing clear favoritism and cancelling every project under the sun, including ruining her last christmas project? Yeah those managers.

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>>69110734
It really fucking depends, you know how many people out here still think that Coco wasn't bullied at all by management and that she totally wasn't sent to the cuck corner to die? You know how many people out here think that cover is a perfectly infallible corporation that has never done anything wrong and that the only thing they ever did wrong was choosing Coco over China, even though the entire reason they abandon China was because they were locked out of literally all their accounts due to hostile takeover, but boy that company sure did work hard to keep the person that they refused to give mods to allowed Chinese antis to take over her channel and refused to let interact with other members until she chose to graduate.

I also totally didn't force her roommate to move out after She had announced that she had joined another corporation. People genuinely forget just how fucking short the internet's attention span is.

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I still think doki's lawyer is beyond dumb for telling her that it's okay to send her uncensored menhera rant to the other side.

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>>69073744
Like this >>69074284 anon said, revealing the first attempt was more than enough.
Anyway, I think she wants it to end here, for them to stop, go their own way and just let her life her life.
Very likely that it won't happen though, and when she realizes that they will not leave her alone, she will have to sue just to get them off their back.

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>>69120685
100%. But that's also if she listened to him.

I support Doki because I want to see this company crash and burn, I'm tired of the way that they've treated people in it I'm tired of people never getting anything, I'm tired of fucking Japan.
But Doki, has a very long history of not listening to anybody but the voices inside of her head

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>>69120838
I could see them settling outside of court, I honestly don't think that will go any further than I already has especially because the CEO already apologized for how far it's gotten, but her second statement does definitely make it seem like her case does not actually have as much merit to it as she had previously thought

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>>69090304
It IS clique thinking.
Literally every single past event, especially shit like Selen being the ONLY person to not be involved in the Sanrio collab despite that being her dream, and Pomu's dream collab just getting rejected with NO negotiation...
All of that fit right into the greatest rrat of all time.

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>>69120838
Yeah, it's still pissing me off. We just wanted to watch Neopets and start recovering from all the drama and she would've been fine just leaving them alone, but they had to pull that fucking stunt and dig themselves deeper.

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>>69120188
because they are one in the same

This vent on the sister site mentions how management stated the MV could be unprivated. EN never mentions about the song possibly being unprivated in public, so where did this person get this idea?

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>>69073598
>What if Doki, now in a position to leverage all that good will, has been playing Niji like a fiddle to the point of malice?
Doki did not force Nijisanji to put out those shitty statements, she just wanted to play fucking Neopets. She was already at the stage of moving on and restarting her career, everything that happens now is pure mental retardation on the part of niji.

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>>69120369
Showing favoritism isn't bullying. They also weren't cancelling projects to fuck with her, it was probably shut down cause perm issues. Plus she ruined her own Christmas video

The only people where it makes sense to call bullies are other livers

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>>69121298
Reasonable assumption. Dead rrat, next

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>>69121337
Playing favorites still isn't a good look Elira. Esepcially when you save the best merch drops for yourselves.

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>>69120685
That's the part I don't get either:

If you request to quit and you're waiting on a response from their lawyers, and those lawyers go radio silent, in what universe does that mean the only logical solution is to send a big rage-induced rant about how terrible everyone is to their lawyers? Half the purpose of lawyers is letting them speak on your behalf so that you don't accidentally say something retarded that could bite you in the ass later, so why on earth would the lawyer forward her statement instead of redrafting it in his own words?

It was still stupid for Nijisanji to fire her instead of letting her quit because firing her just looks petty. Niji being pants-on-head retarded doesn't change that Doki's story isn't adding up either, though. At the very least, her lawyer sounds like an idiot and she may have no case as a result.

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>>69120188
>>69121337
Managers and talent? One and the same, the GURRAT proves it all.

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>>69120685
simple, doki's lawyer wants things to escalate so they can get fat settlement bucks because neither parties probably want an actual lawsuit

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>>69121044
I honestly think that doki with go from having a not very good case to a solid one with how anykara is shooting themselves in the foot.

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>>69080451
Second half is that half the talents don't even know she's the one in charge of everything and think she's just the liaison for JP management, so they often confide in her (and then get backstabbed, like Zaion).

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>>69119948
It kinda depends on what you overdose with but yeah. As it turns out the human body is VERY good at keeping itself going. So a lot of times you just end up throwing up and feeling like shit. You'd need to be taking like heavy duty painkillers and a ton of alcohol and hope nobody finds you while you're on the ground in pain.

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>>69121605
I can't believe this is the new rrat Dramafags are peddling. This is board is full of retards

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>>69121128
It's been known for years that management has favored lazulight and luxiem.
Like, Petra even says at one point in time
>when Lazulight joined, They all got a paper saying that they all owned a piece of the Moon. When we joined we were like " what are they going to give us " and then they said congrats on joining and gave us nothing.
And to a certain degree as much as I hate to say it
I don't necessarily blame them.
You had three competent singers, three people who had enough shared interests to where they were able to collab very frequently without harassing one another or seeming like bullies to another or anything like that.
You had a popular ship right off the bat, you had so much going for you with that first wave.
Like if there was a thing as a perfect start, Lazulight would have been it. Especially with 2 of the members speaking Japanese.

In contrast unfortunately, none of obsydia Had any shared interests between them, refused to collab with one another, bullied one another, Had two very tone deaf members, And the only thing that you can really advertise about the wave is that one of them is extremely good at FPS. You had two members who spoke Japanese but outside of that what exactly do you advertise them with? You can't really hold a concert with them because only one of them can sing. You can't really advertise the group unity because they never hang out together. You can't really advertise any ships because they weren't really shipped together.

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>>69105911

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>>69121949
The wool will be lifted from your eyes soon

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>>69106328
and she will anon
she will
because you see
they won't let her go
they won't leave her alone
ever
unless she sues
they will literally force her to sue them with the level of harassment that's about to come out

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>>69120463
>nijicuck desperately lying about the Coco situation to try and paint Cover as just as bad
>nobody believed it
Peak comedy. Sorry sister you'll just have to accept Cover mogs your company into the ground and deal with it! Also
>Sent to the cuck corner to die
You mean she was isolated because every single person she collabed/interacted with was hatemobbed by a billion chinese antis. Because that's what happened. Coco was tainted as hell at the time. She brought with her an endless swarm of mentally ill chinese antis.

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I worked in an area that treated people who had made attempts, and what I learned is that an attempt can be considered to be approaching a bridge and staying there for hours, taking pills and regretting it 5 minutes later, etc. I also learned that in almost all countries after the attempt they are given a test to check their state, basically to check that they are depressed and not just sad, BUT that does not have much value, it is just protocol and it is necessary for people to see a psychiatrist. Another thing is that these people do not recover in a month, and the mistake of many is to believe that they are well and stop taking their medication or believe that with a few sessions they will be ok. Finally, I remember the words of the psychiatrist who said that these people lose the taste for everything that makes them happy, they can continue doing their activities like zombies but they are dead inside. That's why I don't understand Doki's case, her supposed recovery is too fast.

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>>69121729
The sad thing is that they really haven't shot themselves in the foot. If you read her current statement she walks back on every single claim that they had signed the NDA. She mentioned sending them an NDA and then she mentions that language is complicated.
If you read the tweet, she doesn't actually mention that they violated anything by revealing the information and in fact walks that back. She doesn't mention any violations whatsoever in the tweet, just that she had requested the information to be privated and that she and her lawyer had signed something saying that it should be.

Publicly, they've absolutely shot themselves on the foot, legally they have access to an entire unhinged rant by her as well as some of discord DMs, videos of her bragging about ignoring management, just about everything that you could think of that would really hurt her court case they have access to because they never agreed to sign an NDA. That also includes her medical history which also means that they can publicize because she gave them access to it, her history of dealing with BPD.

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>>69121128
People should follow the money.

Wasn't it part of the Niji contract that the highest cuts they can receive is specifically from merch? If someone's repeatedly showing up in merch despite there being other talents that are more popular, this is fishy as fuck.

We could drop and ignore all other rrats, and the fact that Elira mysteriously has more merch than anyone else would still need explaining. A manager higher up would be perfectly capable of reviewing the numbers and recognizing there's an inefficiency there, so it's suspicious as fuck it hasn't been addressed yet.

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>>69122428
The highest cuts are specifically from voice packs if what Pomu said follows

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>>69122336
What do they win by winning legally and losing publicly though? It makes zero sense to escalate for them.

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>>69122323
Because she hasn't recovered, dumbass. She's still clearly depressed.

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>>69119563
2nd "attempt" was just her walking around trying to find a tall enough place to jump from.
You can tell by "my parents found me before anything happened".
Which is why that was probably not reported to the hospital.
1st was likely pills.

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>>69122336
We also went from "I have proof!!!" to "Oh, that recording had nothing to do with it... it doesn't make sense at all."

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>>69122277
The Coco situation was fucked up. She got suspended for " her own safety " for two weeks, came back, was told that she was not allowed to collab with any EN members or anybody in general because " the hate mob might affect them " Even though the hate mob was solely contained on her channel .
She had been being bullied and doxed by Chinese antis and had requested moderators for her channel several times. Even breaking down in tears at one point because of it.

Covers response to this, was to promote people in her chat who were harassing her to moderator status to where she couldn't even ban them. She literally had to spend two days unbanning people from her chat because of how many people ended up being banned by Chinese antis.
They also were quite literally locked out of the Chinese accounts for cover because the managers for them had gone rogue. They had demanded that they might release the accounts if they fired Coco, but until then they would hold on to the accounts.

You can find documents backing this shit up, there is a trail a mile long of all the shit that she went through because cover made her. At the end of the day, they would have much preferred to have kept the Chinese sponsorships seeing as they literally had a whole ass song prepared for League of Legends I think, or some other riot game, that ended up being taken down because of their loss of Chinese sponsors. And in all honesty Had they kept those sponsors They probably would have ended up overtaken anycolor as the most profitable Vtubing company out there.

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>>69110873
I wonder how long all the livers are going to keep not streaming. At this point they've lost 2 weeks of the 12 week quarter, that's an 8% loss of revenue for the quarter. If it continues on that's multiple percent revenue lost just from this series of incidents.

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>>69122780
It wasn't contained at all what are you on? They spread to anybody she collabed with as long as they were together.

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>>69122522
Who knows, Japanese are always fucking retarded so no matter what comes next I don't expect it to be good for any party involved, and lastly agree to settle outside of court and agree let sleeping dogs lie.
Whether or not they have the common sense to do that? Well that will remain to be seen

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>>69122714
She has proof. But making it public will be escalation with no gain. Both sides lose from that.

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>>69122872
From what I recall, it was fairly well contained on her account and her account only. Even though haachama had been involved she didn't get 1/4 of the harassment. I'll also point out that if cover would have provided mods that wouldn't really be an issue. They pretty much wanted her to graduate. They sent her off of your own little corner refused to give her moderators, refuse to deal with the situation at all and then washed their hands clean of both her and the situation when she agreed to graduate

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>>69122908
She basically said: "if I was angry like I was a month ago". Where second attempt likely occurred. And she didn't care for her own well-being,

[Anonymous No.]

>>69122588
You don't understand, anon. These people are empty inside. The fact that she play video games, stream, or sell merchandise shouldn't even cross her mind. The things that used to give them pleasure no longer do That's why I don't understand how she was able to do all of that. Honestly After what Niji said, they shouldn't leave her alone because there could be a third one

[Anonymous No.]

>>69122908
She said previously that she wanted to go public after the black box video then the next day, suddenly she has no will to go public and wants everything to be private. Suspicious, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>69123090
You recall completely incorrectly. Any time she collabed with anybody, or if she even appeared on anybody else's screen during a game like ARK, the chinese antis would immediately bombard them too. Flare was iirc one of the very, very few people who ever collaborated with Coco and she took drastic steps with it too iirc like making chat members only. Coco mentioned constantly how it wasn't management that made her not reach out more, but that she was afraid of spreading all the bullshit to everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69123578
I would welcome "not being self-destructive" at any time. From anyone, really.

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>>69122908
I'll be quite honest with you, I'm guessing that her proof wasn't as great as it was originally. She mentions in her tweet that she was angry and upset a month ago and that she's no longer like that.

There is a good chance that she heard what she wanted to hear because while people on this board will try to downplay the fact that she literally admitted to having BPD in the past .
And once again I have to tell you that as somebody who does support her, she has never once ever said that she was in the wrong for something or that she wasn't validated in her actions.
Like take a look at her response to her cover getting pulled down. She immediately goes on to defensive regarding it, blames management says that people should re-upload it, etc etc.

In reality she was never given the AOK to upload it in the first place told the wait until they could confirm that they had permission to use the graduated members in the cover and then uploaded it regardless.

I know that the next response you're going to make is going to be something like
>But they took so long to reply!!
Unfortunately that's just how things go. Several people have complained about how fucking slow management is to do fucking anything in the company, but the worst part is that's not an exclusive thing. As I pointed out several times on this board alone, both Kiara and bae have mentioned dealing with incredibly slow management before and what a pain it is deal with them.n

[Anonymous No.]

>>69123578
Yes because her lawyer isn't an idiot, unlike whatever the fuck is going on in Niji right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69123716
But in a way that's still management, the thing is that had management approved fucking moderators for the channels, which is something that they should have had to begin with, those comments wouldnt have been able to fly. Or literally set the chat to subscriber only for 2 months and 90% of them would disappear.
I also do remember her publicly stating that she was not allowed by management to collab with en.

[Anonymous No.]

>>69119678
She said this because Anycolor made two statements with discrepancy. So she has to make sure people only take her English wording as legit