Do you think Nijisanji will leave EN market for real ?

[Anonymous No.]

There was no "correction" of EN statement claiming there was internal fight in NijiEN that drove Selen off the cliff

JP fans sucked Tazumi dick so hard they praised Anycolor for punishing Selen and called EN fans drama baiters

At this point Anycolor might as well disband EN and let HoloEN monopolize the market while simping for Nintendo and China, and worst part is JP fans will not be against it

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>>68336613
Not for now, but I doubt it lives until next year

[Anonymous No.]

>>68336743
Did Enna realize it was worth it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68336613
Yes, they will be folded into the main branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68336613
No, I dont think they will at least right now but they should just close the branch. Situation is completely unsalvageable now.

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>>68336613
No chance. They have been and will continue to do jack shit for their English branch. They'll slowly hemorrhage talents as each one finds their own breaking point and and whoever is self-flagellating enough to stick around will bring in their scraps of cash. Eventually they'll condense all the gens down into a single unit who will put out nothing but corpo approved slop.

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>>68336613
The Japanese are beyond weird. They have this group mentality. Defending corporations and their groups over people who have been wronged. It's similar to people here in America defending Nintendo when they start DMCA or whatever. Trying to justify why I can't play an old Nintendo game that they won't re-release or something.

As for your question, they'll probably do what they did with IN and KR and just unify the branch with Niji proper.

I honestly do believe two suns were not enough.

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>>68336613
There will always be someone desperate enough to gain relevancy among the bottom feeders. The branch will stay, and Anycolor will simply wait for the whole thing to blow over, just like they do with every other yab.

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>>68336613
i give it a month

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>>68336613
If (and this is a big if) they can't find literally anyone willing to join I do believe they will end up incorporating the en branch into their main. After that it'll most likely end up like ID with talents waiting their turn to graduate.

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>>68336613
I hope they'll announce a new gen debuting like tomorrow just to add the tone deafness

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>>68336613
There will always have despereate talentless hacks that will willingly put up with whatever niji throws at them, they can keep scraping the bottom of the barrel of the Western VTuber pool for a long time, they don't really give a fuck.

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>>68336613
I think Niji EN management have not only fucked the pooch, but creampied its asshole and sent the video to their mom.
Basically, they've really messed up over and over again and lost five of their biggest talents in just seven months and probably more to come. There is clearly a problem with the work culture and direction among Niji EN staff, otherwise this high degree of turnaround wouldn't have happened. They can probably survive as a branch, but if I were Anycolor, I'd perform some serious internal evaluations and determine which part of management caused so many of their most popular talent to quit or act in a way that resulted in their termination over the past few months.

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>>68336613
Won't happen immediately, but I don't see how this can end in any other way.
You don't just lose your heavy hitters one after another and think you can easily find a replacement or think their fanbase will just move on to another of your company like robots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68336995
Japan didn't invent "black company" term out of nowhere lmao. It's surprising (in a good way) that Cover corp doesn't follow the same path

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>>68336613
Not immediately. They're gonna try and release a new wave and see what happens. Depending on how the reception goes, they're gonna go "it was a nothing burger and we're still gonna get their money." Or just silently cut off support. The same way they did with I, KR and ID.
Other corpos should be able to take the number 2 spot.

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>>68336613
The big problem for Anycolor is that abandoning overseas market will be seen as failure for investors

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>>68336613
>worst part is JP fans will not be against it
Neither are the EN fans at this point. They just want Black Company to set their oshis free.

[Anonymous No.]

The problem is that now anyone with enough self respect (Read: A good talent) will not want to join NijiEN. Before the cope used to be that Niji "Was too big to pass up" but now there are alternatives. From now on all they are going to get for auditions is desperate clout chasers. It only gets worse from here really.

[Anonymous No.]

Probably just a matter of time at this point. The nips are a lost cause.

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>>68336995
>>68336995
The groupthink is annoying, but this site wouldn't exist without the Japanese and their culture, anon. You can't get rid of one without the other.

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>>68336613
Don't disband it. Keep the males and take all the StarsEN too.

[Anonymous No.]

They will survive it I think. Not because people (Ennafags aren't people) will defend them or because they will get over it. I think it's simply because the fanbase is so disjointed and bubbled up. Just yesterday I saw retards on reddit who didn't even know Kyo was white. When the live-under-a-rock bullshit runs THAT deep, there will for sure be people who won't be aware of this shit and just continue obliviously watching they shitty oshi and basically act like nothing happened.

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>>68336613
Depends on the talents I think. As long as the majority doesn't jump the ship, they're gonna keep sailing it. But if it does crumble, I wonder if the people responsible will reflect on it or just blame everyone else. Probably the latter desu.

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>>68338698
i was so convinced he was black because of Enna being queen of spades for her outfit reveal

[Anonymous No.]

They'll leave the EN market in just a few years, then they'll cut ties with Bilibili regardless on whether they end their partnership in good terms or not.

And once various companies like Brave Group, Sony Music Virtual, and Phase Connect decides to step up their game in both the domestic and international markets, it'll be over for Anycolor.

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>>68339412
>They'll leave the EN market in just a few years
more like in a few months

[Anonymous No.]

>>68339503
>>They'll leave the EN market in just a few months
more like in a few days

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder if there will be a next wave, and what the turn out will be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68337195
I saw a rrat that said the reason is either sora or a-chan is yagoo daughter and it's their dream to be an idol so he can't go full black company

[Anonymous No.]

Niji gets China
Holo gets the West

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>>68337328
Because it is a failure. Niji stock price tanked today. Investors might back short term growth policies that destroy companies and ruin economies but they aren’t so stupid as to look at this massive pr disaster that includes a suicide attempt and think the company should still be treated as some golden goose when it stinks like the turd that it is

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>>68339652
Yagoo is an expereinced businessman running his own successful software company. Given the nature of tech, software in particular, it tends to be more progressive in it's work culture. Yagoo is a product of this and that filters into why Cover is run as a tech company not an idol company. Yagoo comes at it from the angle that everything at the company should be in support of the people do the actual work. For a software company, everything everyone does is to support the developers. For Cover it is the talents, hence why the managers serve the holos rather than the holos serving the managers which is how Niji seems to work because Niji is an idol company.

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>>68337528
That’s not true. A lot of aboriginal tribes are dead and people still larp as them for halloween.

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>>68336613
will EN be folded into the main branch?

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>>68340131
Possibly, with only the bilingual members stay to cater the Japanese market while the rest leaves.

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>>68337328
It looks bad whether they entirely kill the branch or not. EN expansion was held up as one of their main growth strategies, and it was already shrinking even before this latest round of fuckups.

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>>68339779
But niji lost china a year ago from vox yo mama joke

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>>68337195
Not yet, but the longer they are publicly traded the higher the likelihood of heading down that path.

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>>68336995
>It's similar to people here in America defending Nintendo when they start DMCA or whatever.
Dont sell it for money. It is not that hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68339779
>>68340358
Actually it's VirtuaReal who has China

[Anonymous No.]

>>68340131
>muh glorious Japanese company folded 1000 times

[Anonymous No.]

>>68340459
And they don't need Nijisanji's partnership in the first place. They're fine on their own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68336613
No sane people support a person who breached contracts even if the company is shit, but since the en fanbase priorities their emotions over everything I wouldn't be surprised if it was disbanded.

I still don't get what they want. Do you en troons want her to come back as a niji liver? Or do you just want to destroy niji en? Which?

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>>68339608
What prompted the massive spike in viewers for ILuna?

[Anonymous No.]

I think hiring Japanese people who can speak fluent english will become the norm for them.

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>>68336613
They're gonna do what any company would in this position. Either they'll pick up the pieces and continue on operation in the EN market and build up markets hare again (even if it requires additional investment into new talent) or they will consider the branch a loss and close it down.

Honestly, leaving theucrstive EN market seems like a mistake, so they'll probably end up investing in developing current talents or getting bigger list names with enticing contracts.

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>>68336613
they have to don't they? I mean what are the alternatives? they're dropping like flies, it's the only way to save any face and keep some dignity other than bleeding out and being in the need for graduation after graduation after graduation. they can't accelerate, the last few waves were DOA. nijiEN is finished. Just roll Vox, Luca and any good JP speaking girls into the main branch, and ditch all the dead weight at the bottom like Aia, Aster, etc and call it a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68336613
Phasebros it's our time, 2nd biggest corpo in America easily, I keep winning

[Anonymous No.]

>>68340846
*in the news

[Anonymous No.]

>>68336743
EN will dissolve, Enna will redebut in NijiJP and speak fluent nihongo like the apocalyptic Lex Luthor villainess she is

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>>68340537
When you think about it niji has already folded 3 branches, id, in, kr, and now en would be the 4th which is halfway there to the minimum 8 folds

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>>68336613
No, it'll just slowly decline into increasing irrelevance. The ones who've made it their whole identity will be there forever. A handful of the rest will be drafting their resignation letters right now, most of them will stick around for a while but have an exit plan prepared as they wait for the best opportunity to use it. They'll get people to replace them, but they'll know Niji's repulation and not be in it for the long haul, just to put up with the shitty environment long enough to break free from 2view hell and then bounce back to freedom with their new audience.

Unless this triggers a massive company shakeup with most of the current management out on their asses, even more serious than HoloEN's management overhaul, I don't see it going any other way.

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>>68340740
Did it ever cross your mind that an apology from the company to Selen, not some backhanded shit either but a real apology, would help placate the people?

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>>68336613
Seeing how much of an absolute shitshow EN is, it makes me wonder if the Niji HQ in Japan is even aware of how bad things have gotten over here.

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>>68340740
>No sane people support a person who breached contracts even if the company is shit
No. People see such contracts as ways for companies to keep their dirt hidden so they can keep doing it to existing employees. Which is the purpose.

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>>68341030
Apology for what? Also nobody demands it. You just made the excuse just right now. So what do you really want? Most of the en fans are just acting like angry mobsters to destroy niji en.

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>>68341030
Not even an apology. If they just said neutrally said she's being let go and not dignify it with any details, people would just be relieved that they can support dokibird in peace.

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>>68340791
Massive hype since it was almost 6 months since the last wave, and it was about 9 months since they got new girls.

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>>68340740
I do find it weird how everyone was like "sorry Mel, don't breach contract, have a nice life!" but when Selen sperges out and breaches hers she gets pity because she doubled down and tried to breach her contract with life, too. Quite the double standard, no one stood up for Mel.

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>>68337393
>The problem is that now anyone with enough self respect (Read: A good talent) will not want to join NijiEN.
FalseEyeD said the same thing on his stream yesterday. Niji will still be able to find talent in the west, but that will be the kind of talent that is deperate for any publicity boost. Niji will no longer be able to attract top tier talent in the west. Top tier talent will look at other orgs and not even consider Niji.

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>>68341228
you're a retard
different circumstances and selen breaching her contract is not the issue here

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>>68341228
Because they kept it vague and didn't specify how she breached her contract unlike Selen. They dragged Selen's ame through the mud.

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>>68341228
it's almost as if we know way more about why Selen's sperging out was justified than why Mel was terminated. The fact that Mel herself told people not to make a big deal out of it is a part of it too. These are two entirely different ballparks of failure.

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>>68341228
hololive treated mel well (and so did the community). nijisanji treated selen like garbage, despite everything she has done for them, not to mention she was pushed to an unaliving attempt by her own company and colleagues. if you can't see the difference here you're actually retarded.

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>>68341228
Call me back when they bring back Selen's channel, let her send one last good bye letter to her fans, a string of videos appear from management and her colleagues openly grieving they had to let her go but are sadenned about the circumstances, and then compliance training is given out to every talent so as to avoid having a similar incident ever again.

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>>68340740
>>68341228
Ah yes, the importance of maintaining your company's reputation and how Nijisanji never really cared about doing so. Who knows such thing would result in two different reactions, as if most people aren't some heartless corporate bootlicker or something.

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>>68340740
bait

[Anonymous No.]

The behavior of both the company and its JP fans is incredibly bizarre.
>actually Selen is the bully. Source: 兄弟、私を信じてください

[Anonymous No.]

I love the incoming year of drama graduations etc. I got bored with vtubers but watching a corporation slowly bleed itself out with scandals is gonna be awesome.

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>>68341158
For attempting to run a smear campaign.
>Also nobody demands it
Even better, they'd be getting ahead of the crowd, making it seem at least a little sincere than if the people were demanding one. This obviously won't won't stop everyone from wanting their heads but maybe it'll take away a bit of the wind from their sails at the very least.
>>68341180
Unfortunately, we're way past that point. All they can do now is run damage control and that's if they want to continue in the western sphere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68336613
nah, china and sea still got their back

[Anonymous No.]

>>68341988
more proof them being bugmen

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>>68336613
The problem black color face now is they can't been seen not to have an EN branch. HoloEN may not be the early myth juggernaut but its still the premier english vtuber brand. There are companies able to debut relatively successful EN vtubers. The expectations, especially from investors, is NijiEN has no reason not to do the same. But clearly there is no interest in actually investing in the branch, or simply cleaning up their act. So they're kind of stuck. They can't back down yet won't improve. Even folding them in would look bad on the surface.

My bet is they'll keep chugging along but getting less and less support. Only dying if multiple scandals of this level hit.

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>>68336613
they will return to the chinese market

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>>68342310
>>68342635
Newfags never heard about VirtuaReal?

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>>68336613
>called EN fans drama baiters
I mean they aren't wrong.

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>>68336995
To be fair, I doubt they have been given accurate information about this situation and have just been told that Selen was the one in the wrong.

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>>68342510
So long as they keep hiring Japanese talent into the EN brand that do Japanese streams a good deal of the time and mostly interact with Japanese vtubers in- and outside the company, they will probably be able to claim EN isn't meant to serve an international market anymore, it's just one of the types of flavour available for domestic audiences.

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>>68341130
So are you saying that if a local government has bad managers (high taxes and poor services, red tape) its justified to armor a bulldozer and destroy city hall, or are you an emotional hypocrite making your decision based on "muh suicide"

[Anonymous No.]

I predict that they will. They shouldn't though. More livers will leave, that's for certain. But a smaller NijiEN with like 10-15 active members could become a more close-knit group, reviving the branch spirit.

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>>68342510
At the same time, Nijisanji isn't a charity. They're in this business to make money. What happened with Selen and Pomu leaving in such quick succession and in such ugly public ways, is tremendously damaging to the branch because they served as "tentpoles," creating interest, buzz, and attention for EN.

We know their viewer counts are on the decline - look at what happened when they launched the most recent gen. There will always be 1views desperate enough to sign up with the agency in the hopes of becoming an internet star. But these 1views are not going to going to drive traffic. There is no way anyone of actual talent or ability will sign up. Meanwhile, they will keep bleeding their best Livers because they pay them nothing and the workplace culture is horrible.

The bottom line is if EN's numbers continue to sink and their best people leave, it's just a matter of time. I think an announcement of EN being folded into JP will roll out in a year. It will likely be sold publicly as something like "simplifying our management structure."

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>>68336613
>Do you think Nijisanji will leave EN market for real ?
I think there is a high possibility, yes. Their reputation is permanently tarnished and Anycolor/Nijisanji will forever be synonymous with black company in the west now. There is no way for them to recover their reputation in the west at this point. Couple that with NijiEN imploding...yeah it's looking pretty grim for the EN branch. With every passing day it getting folded into the main branch becomes more likely.

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>>68352984
A recovery in theory is possible, but the following would have to happen and the process would take years:

>complete new management team 100% committed to their jobs and helping the talents succeed, and management team should be locals or at least fluent in English and easily reachable
>big pay increases, especially for the "stars" who drive traffic, to help incentivize them not to quit
>acknowledgement of past mistakes and commitment to turn the corner
>substantial resource commitment for things like 3D, concerts, etc.
>Crackdown on any bullying cliques and termination of those who don't get with the program, and general improvement of the workplace culture

The problem is, they're not going to do anything like this. What I expect is they'll replace a few upper managers, hire new ones who are probably inexperienced and poorly paid, and the new managers will find themselves quickly overwhelmed by the enormity of the problems the branch is facing and unable to cope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68339652
I really want this rrat to be true, it’s so wholesome

[Anonymous No.]

>>68350917
Killdozer did nothing wrong

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>>68353651
I dunno. Getting back people's trust and goodwill after everything they've done? Even with those changes I actually doubt a lot of people would give them a second chance. It's not the first time Niji's gotten scrutinized for how they handle things. Selen's termination and the notice detailing her termination was just the event that made everything boil over and it's blown up to proportions I think very few imagined. I have a very hard time seeing them recover even if they were to do alll those things because I think a lot of people would just find it too hard to trust them or the things they say ever again.
>The problem is, they're not going to do anything like this.
This is the biggest part of it though. You're right that they're never going to do anything like this because Anycolor believe themselves to be infallible and that's why everything is always the fault of their livers who they then subsequently drag through the mud.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68340435
>tumor weeks!
you lost the all out war sis, give it up already

[Anonymous No.]

>>68337393
>>68341256
That's what the first two gens were. The first talent with actual PL success was, ironically, Millie.

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>>68341410
Mel didn't sperg out and intentionally break rules. Selen intentionally went against rules when told not to upload it, then when it was taken down, made a rash decision to tell her fans to reupload it to spite the company. Its a no brainer why there is a clear difference in treatment for their graduations. Selen chose this path herself.

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>>68336613
No. How retarded are you?
Niji EN will exist and continue to debut milquetoast or worse content creators because it's just a container for streamers with no real goal or strategy aside from "make us some money, streamers". The brand already has market penetration, so unless they purposefully exit and scrap everything, they can continue to leech donations, subs, and merch money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68350917
It's always justified to armor a bulldozer

[Anonymous No.]

if ID still exists i don't see why EN wouldn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>68355115
OP is retarded. He admits JP literally doesn't give a shit about this drama and are praising anycolor. By that point, there is literally no reason to shut down the EN branch because it literally doesn't negatively impact them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68355068
Millie's "success" in her PL was kind of overstated. It was less because of talent and more because of pinoy pandering, I want to say she was at 40k before she graduated and she only got 100k because she asked for it and the fans there are extremely prideful.
It kind of shows with Ethyria, because before Luxiem they were always in Lazusydia's shadow. Mostly for good reasons.

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>>68353651
I don't think NIJI is welling to spend the time and effort to reclaim their reputation. Looking into their previous attents in ID, IN, and KR, they will probably kill the entire branch and move to the next one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68351412
NijiEN Family revival?

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>>68355438
>I want to say she was at 40k before she graduated and she only got 100k because she asked for it and the fans there are extremely prideful.
I don't follow what this means. Every 40k streamer is desperate to hit 100k and asks for it. You don't double your sub count overnight by looking at your much smaller audience with big 'ole sad eyes.

Aside from that, was any of Luxiem successful in their PL? I know Iluna were partially a bunch of already successful content creators.

[Anonymous No.]

>>68339574
>They'll leave the EN market in just a few months
>more like in a few days
more like in in a few hours

[Anonymous No.]

>>68356054
it's a matter of picoseconds

[Anonymous No.]

>>68341228
>>68341290
>>68341335
>>68341382
I do feel bad and worry that due to how things rolled out that when Mel eventually returns she will received barely any bounceback. Going out dramafree is kind absolutely and bridges haven't been burnt if she wants to keep in touch with those she was friends with behind the scenes but as for actual success going forward, this whole calm waters and her accepting that she fucked up is setting herself up for being yet another forgotten indie outside the small husk of supporters who will stick with her at this point.

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>>68336613
No, probably not. What gave you that impression? I hope you're not spending all your free time being riled up by dramawhores.

Real talk though, if Nijisanji left the EN market then only Hololive would remain as the only significant JP company in the EN market. They won't change to cater to other fans either. So you will have to turn to all the seedy and EN companies, or indies.

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>>68355928
Vox I assume was decently successful. Ike seemed to find his own footing. Shu never really got anywhere, and Mysta was a fairly small indie.

[Anonymous No.]

NijiEN is run by pajeets
They're just doing the needful

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji has a history of axing gens/branch heck there used to be Nijisanji Gamers and Seed which they just folded into main branch

If it still as bad as it is in following days or months kek expect them to close shop and just fold them into main branch and that's where mass graduation will happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>68357171
It was confirmed nijiEN at the start was ran by noor and gang so yes actual pajeets

[Anonymous No.]

>>68350917
everyone who isn't a corrupt politician likes killdozer retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>68337108
>turnaround
Turnover. The term you're searching for is turnover. And its a rate.

t. ex-HR employee

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>>68336975
they'll do what they did to ID, fold them into the main branch and with only Japanese language speakers in management who don't care the slightest about them because they aren't Kuzuha, Deron or any of the other distinguished members of the company

[Anonymous No.]

Too early to say

[Anonymous No.]

>>68336613
no, the EN market is important as it's the "global market" if they pull out on EN, it would be the biggest embarrassment to Anycolor

[Anonymous No.]

>>68339412
>>68339503
it took two months from the dump of KR's bullying and management collusion for Anycolor to stepping in and announcing the the branch was being shut down with the option to migrate or graduate

[Anonymous No.]

>>68357833
How the fuck did pajeets had the best year in EN compared to the nips that are in charge right now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>68360328
Indians got bullied by the British for years with rules and guidelines, they make good middle-management. They however are terrible CEO's and free thinkers.

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>>68339503
I was expecting a few years also. But Niji surprised me. Way ahead of schedule. I see no way of growth returning to EN. Can't erase this reputation.
Didn't their shareholders already criticize the PR disaster from Zaion?
Feels Niji already gave up on EN. How they handled the termination was more for JP and CH, sacrificing EN.

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>>68337393
What alternatives are there for men that don’t want to do idol stuff?