/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXlQprbbIKc

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Why do these whores defend her

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>>66924226
Cause they're not Nijisanji livers

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>>66924226
>Holos: "I'm so sad that my friend got terminated this is devastating to me"
>Nijis:

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It's interesting to see the difference between Mel's termination and Rushia's.

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>>66924445
Mel didn't get a huge JP e-celeb notification during stream

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Why does her accent change?
She should stick to kayfabe like FWMC.

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>I'm just so sad, ya know?
>I'm just so sad
>I'm just so sad
>I'm just so sad
>nervous laughter

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>>66924445
Rushia was a devious menhera and everyone knew it, when she became non-holo there was no need to defend her for them
Mel is actually a good person and everyone liked her. It was a honest mistake but too big and cover had no choice but to fire her

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>>66924201
Who was in Mel's friend circle in Hololive?

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>>66924445
Well, Rushia broke her NDA in an attempt to save herself from the situation she found herself at that moment. Mel broke her NDA by venting to someone she trusted when feeling vulnerable.
Both are wrong but only one had ill intent behind it.

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>>66924794
Honestly, if she lays low for a bit, I could see them rehiring her.

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>>66924903
Coco choco akirose robocco

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>>66924445
Coworkers hated rushia especially
Noel and flare

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>>66925430
I'm starting to hate Flare grrrr

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>>66925430
>especially Noel and flare
Why? Weren't they close due to being genmates?

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>>66925694
for what? shiraken is one of the best groupings in holo

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>>66924794
>Have no choice
You cultists have accepted jp autism as normal. They can fire your oshi over some legalese and you would just throw your hands up. Pathetic

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>>66925336
Rehiring would be an industry first. Real innovation even.

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>>66925855
That's also how it works in the US.

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>>66925855
Its reffering to thats just the state that these sorts of contracts are in Japan. Yeah, everyone knows its BS but in the context of the culture/company people UNDERSTAND why, thats what "have no choice" means

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>>66925855
dipshits like you just refuse to understand what having responsibilities means.
its not just in japan, you have a contract, you dont respect it, you pay the price. in fact theyre nice enough to just let the talents go instead of sueing them into the ground, which they could do. they could easily destroy their lives and make sure they dont get hired in other companies if they wanted to.

and also yes, japanese talents who work for japanese companies have to follow the japanese rules, what is some gaijin (fake af)outrage gonna change about that?
Getting real tired of this spoiled zoomer brainrot bs. having a job isnt a right.

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>>66925895
They should probably do Aloe first, they did her dirty. Also we don't really know how bad Mel's mistake actually is.

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>>66925855
We don't know what she did so we can't possibly comment on fair or unfair, not all breaches of NDA are equal. It's sad to see her go.

What's different with Niji is that people seem to flock away from Niji because either the work environment or the pay is not suitable, and so they flee the company to either become solo or indie. Hololive rs don't do that except Coco, who wanted more artistic freedom since hololive tries to present a mostly seiso image

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>>66925895
This is a weird case, since she agreed to terminate her contract. She also remains on good terms with both the talents and the staff. It's something we haven't really seen yet.

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>>66926256
I just assume that the people criticizing the decision are just people that never had a job in their lives and have no fucking idea of what a contract or responsibility is.

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>>66925855
If you've never worked at a company you wouldn't get it. I have to come to an office, suffer from traffic, wear gay ass normie clothes even though I could do my job from bed naked. If I try to stay at home even if I do the job I'm going to be fired, does it suck? Yeah, but that's how it's been done for decades. Go to r/antiwork if you feel passionate about changing shit I guess, a lot of us just want enough money to enjoy our hobbies.

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>>66925855
I'm not convinced it was just some mere JP autism, and I'd had more than my share of dealing with bullshit JP bureaucracy. Cover is basically just a startup, they're not going to behave like your typical Japanese zaibatsu.

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>>66924226
Of course Sisters can't conceive of things like loyalty or friendship...

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>>66926358
Didn't Aloe quit? I remember they gave her time for things to cool down but then she decided to leave no?

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>>66925765
idk about noel but flare was pretty cold about the termination, looked like she didn't care as much as other genmates
They rarely interacted outside of genmates collab and even in the collab this two didn't interact that much. Some says Flare doesn't like menheras so that's probably why

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>>66926555
Rushia doubled down and leaked company info to korekore.

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>>66926543
Technically yes, but they were incredibly clumsy with her debut, and suspended her right out of the gate. I don't know if she would join again, but I feel like they should try to convince her.

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>>66924445
Rushia was selling wedding rings as Hololive merch and leaned heavily into the GFE illusion. That was good for the company but even the other JP talents likely thought Rushia was going too far.

Mel didn't care about unicorns, got along with other talents, and had gone through Hell because of what happened with her manager. That management gave her a termination, won't have a graduation stream, and her channel is getting deleted is extremely harsh for a small mistake. Considering her actions forced Cover to make policy changes to decrease sexual harassment they also know this was partly done to discourage talents from speaking out.

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>>66926683
The main question is whether she would be subject to a no-rehire since the termination was mutually agreed. She's certainly qualified and well received by the company and its fans.

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>>66926555
>Some says Flare doesn't like menheras
Noel is a menhera though. Well more responsible than most considering she takes her meds, and tries not to be a menace. Rushia wasn't just menhera though, she was also dumb as hell, and suicide baited so often people learned to just ignore it.

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>>66926641
Was it an actual suspension? I thought they just told her to lay low and wait to come back but in that time she decided to dip. Granted my memory is spotty but I remember everything being Aloe's decision and Cover wanting for her to stay, but obviously you can't force someone to work for you. (Unless you're China)

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>>66926928
Pretty sure it was an actual suspension, though I don't even remember the cause for it, I think it was something trivial.

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>>66926928
It was both. She leaked her RM, which led to her getting mobbed.

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>>66926928
People have theorized that it was an excuse for her to lay low, but it was an official suspension. She has since mentioned that she's not sure she would have done well in Hololive, and that she had to face a lot of her issues since then, and that she's better off for it.
>>66927013
She had posted a video using the Aloe model on her prior account, before she debuted as Aloe. She got permission to do a test with her model, but she did technically break the rules with how she did it, she probably would have been fine if she had deleted it right after doing it.

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>>66926641
I think she is done with corpo, she doesn't want the big crowd and too many eyes on her, what happened back then scared her for good, she is happy with her current situation.

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>>66927424
That was more a fuck up of her manager to be honest

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>>66927464
I just figured now that things have cooled down, she might reassess. Hololive is still the best place to be in terms of career growth, and people want to be idols because they want attention, though she attracted too much of the wrong kind.

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>>66924445
Everyone cried during Rushia's termination too. Did you not remember the stream with the gen 3 members?

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>>66926367
In Japan, firing somebody is very difficult. She was asked to resign, and agreed, most likely because they'd have had to launch a termination process if she didn't, which would have been both lengthy and probably very ugly.

Overall, though, yes, this was a much kinder process than Rushia's firing. Very few of the Holos seemed upset about losing her, whereas there seems to be much more regret with Mel.

There was also less disclosure about what Mel did than Rushia. Mel also circuitously seemed to accept some responsibility on her personal social media accounts, which adds to the mystery of what exactly happened. There's several rrats floating around but no one seems to really know.

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>>66926503
>Not my corpo

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>Holobronies when is Kurosanji
The clique the family Riku yacht! 2% black company! Kurosanji fans and streamers eats their own!
>Holobronies when called out when drama is on their side.
Who cares is Mel fuck that whore she broke nda! The nda muh corporate loyalty she deserves to be shunned by holojp! Fuck Mel! And no we aren't a black company despite cover sweeping men sexual assault under the rug.

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>>66925202
>rushia broke nda in an attempt to save herself
>ill intent
I agree that rushia's situation was worst and more controversial... but what ill intent are you talking about? do you know what ill intent means?

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>>66925855
i mean... we don't give a shit about mel so why should we care? she betrayed her fans, and now no one gives a shit that she's gone

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>>66929262
The decision to terminate mel doesn't go through layers of middle management, they don't have enough employees to comprise the layers. This decision was signed off on by yagoo himself. It's insane how people try to hand wave it away as japanese corpo autism.

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>>66926802
It rare a company rehires someone that has been terminated, but it's not out of the realm of possibilities. Since I know of a few examples of that happening; however, those were due to lack of applicants with skills/knowledge for that specific field. The other one was because I am almost certain the CEO hired the guy to have sex with his wife, and the dude blackmailed his way back to a top position after he was originally fired by the CEO himself.

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>>66925202
Stop spreading the rats about Rushia. She contacted korekore to shit talk her coworkers months behind the Mafumafu DM fiasco.
>>66929835
The ill intent was shit talking her coworkers.

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>>66925895
>Rehiring would be an industry first
Sasaki Saku did it first. Not like I expect /vt/ to know something that happened pre-covid.

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>>66925336
they would earn so much goodwill from this. Let her chill for a year, then rehire her and let her redebut with upgraded model. They'd make so much money and both the fans and talents would go to bat for cover forever

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>>66930339
>due to lack of applicants with skills/knowledge for that specific field
This is what I'm thinking. They're not going to find a 5 year vet that they also already have models and everything for. It is in their best interest to make sure she doesn't go to a rival company.

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>>66924445
Yujin A went on stream to say that the company tried everything to keep rushia but had no choice to fire her. That rushia was great and they are all thankful to her.

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>>66931159
Sasaki didn't get terminated. She left on her own accord.

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>>66926256
these aren't government secrets, its literally bullshit that doesnt matter, stuff they could tell the entire internet themselves and it would. not. matter. "Omg wow new merch next month? shocking!" "Omg Korone said Luna was a fucking cunt? Scandalous!" Who the fuck cares? Almost every job past fry cook has some kind of NDA, and they are broken every day by thousands and thousands of people for little minor shit, they don't get fired. You don't think people tell their wife or friends whats up at work? Of course they do. Literally everyone does. Someone backstabbed Mel and ratted her out for clout, but even then it shouldn't have mattered. Should have been a slap on the wrist. Re-write your NDA clauses Cover, because they are antiquated and stupid. You don't have any secrets worth being called a secret, you're a fucking anime girl idol company, jesus christ.

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>>66931333
Put the spaghetti back in your pockets redditor.

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>>66930339
steve jobs
sam altman

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>>66931332
She graduated and was rehired. The whole point is that she was rehired.

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>>66931170
They would end the reputation of Japanese corpo autism and permanent graduations, while retaining one of their longest employees. It would be a huge win for them.

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>>66931399
only a true redditor would even know what the hell that means, faggot. I sure as hell dont

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>>66931459
surely there must be at least one higher-up at Cover that has thought of this and at least floated the possibility. Mel has been such a good corpo drone, even to the end, going peacefully and taking the blame. It would be a heartwarming moment if it happened.

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>>66931550
Especially with the reputation that Niji has built up recently, they would have an edge over their biggest rival.

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>>66931333
The most valuable info they have is info about other members. That's what I assume she broke NDA on.

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>>66931439
the distinction between graduation and termination isn't trivial and while it (probably) isn't impossible, it's significantly less likely than sana, coco, or even aloe returning even for something temporary like a one off appearance at holofes

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>>66926256
Responsibility doesn't just fall on the individuals. Management has equal responsibility to ensure that their staff are successful and not violating policies. This often comes in the form of annual mandatory training. For a staff that has been at the company for 5 years, they can become forgetful of the details of what constitute as contract violation. I doubt cover has this type of training as this is something that really mature companies do.

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>>66931766
Anon. Rehiring wouldn't be an industry first, that's my point. If you wanna be pedantic, you can say something like forgiving a violation of contract or something like that.

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>>66931632
yeah, if she said "Oh wow Kotoka, you'll never believe that Okayu, real name ______, just moved to <address X>, and got a new boyfriend, and makes <xx,xxx> yen per year!" Then sure, she's a stupid fuck and deserves what she got. But I can't believe anyone is that dumb, even Mel. It was probably something minor and insignificant like 'I've got a new plushie coming out next year!'

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>>66926358
>>66926641
Honestly, Aloe's situation was handled poorly by Cover, but I can understand why. It was the start of the whole shit with China, they were about to launch a new branch, and Aloe's harassment started out of nowhere, to the point that locking her out of her accounts was the only way to kind of protect her.
The ones to blame here really are the faggots who turned on her for nothing, it was really one of the events that shaped Hololive's way of handling things the most. I'd hope for her to come back, but it seems unlikely.

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>>66931333
"hey, cover new top secret studio is located at x"
police probably arrested a stalker who then told it got the info from mel. the usual story.

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>>66926358

Yeah. I don't know, I can only see something that caused actual serious damage doing this. Like either leaking someone else's IP or someone in the process of being onboarded for Holo that was in a complicated situation (ie they are in talks of doing a poach and the company now knows). There is no way they could justify it to their talents and make fubuki and the rest of the gen justify it if it was anything less.

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>>66931953
when it comes to japanese autism, pedantry is everything

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>>66931632
Deals with third parties for sponsorships and events would be a major one. That has implications for inter-company relations and Cover need to show they can be trusted, and also potentially financial markets where they have all sorts of legal responsibilities as a listed company.

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>>66932065
The China timing really does add a lot more context to the situation. This is also before they really had any policies or experience with handling antis.

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>>66925855
dumb eop trash

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>>66932321
english board, seethe more brownie

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>>66931998
Could be something like her venting about other members getting something that she wanted. Would also explain why she talked to someone else rather than a Hololive member.

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>>66931998
I could see it happening. Put 50 girls in a room together and there's bound to be some drama, all of which gets filtered away from the viewers. These are also not just any average women, they're idol aspirants, so most of them are attention-seekers to begin with.

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>>66925855
>>66931333
You need to be 18 to use this website, anon.

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>>66924201
That's sad, Mel was pretty much liked by everyone.
Even Mori can only talk good things about her.

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>>66932277
The worst is that in was in the same month, meaning that they had to take care of both of these surreal situations at the same time. Hololive did experience some big shit beforehand (like with Chris and Mel's manager), but never had it been an actual wave of outsider harassment like this, it had to be a hell for the higher-ups at the time.
I definitely think that they regret how everything turned out. That's also likely why they have stricter rules nowadays, can't let anything like that happen again.

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>>66932465
She has been wanting a Sololive for over a year now...

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>>66925202
>Rushia broke her NDA in an attempt to save herself from the situation she found herself at that moment
Breaking NDA wasn't the only thing she was fired for. She got into that situation due to the other things she had been up to, like making false statements about her work environment in hopes of getting information about her beloved singer in exchange.

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>>66929244
I think westerners equate apology with accepting fault (it's stupid to apologize because then courts can use your words against you)

In eastern society and Canada, you apologize even if you're not at fault just out of polite autism

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>>66931998
>But I can't believe anyone is that dumb

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>>66932991
Everyone forget rushia leaked coco graduation to a jp keemstar.

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>>66933796
I don't know if she did because I only really concern myself with the immediately provable facts which come from korekore's stream.

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>>66932991
It's always more than just a simple NDA breach. NDA is just the public facing excuse. It's like arresting Al Capone for tax evasion.

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>>66934024
>NDA is just the public facing excuse.
But it wasn't in Rushia's case.

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>>66934100
Had to read the official announcement again, they were pretty savage with her. I guess it was necessary given her popularity.

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>>66932465
It wouldn't be surprising if she accidentally leaked a big project being planned in the future that could affect stock price if it gets out. It's the price of going public and putting yourself at the mercy of cuthtroat capitalists.

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>>66931233
>They're not going to find a 5 year vet that they also already have models and everything for. It is in their best interest to make sure she doesn't go to a rival company.
lmao
This "5 year vet" that has been surpassed by almost everyone that came after her isn't the catch you're trying to make her out to be.

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All those deleted posts... SEAchama....

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>>66932795
>She has been wanting a Sololive for over a year now...
Cover has been showing heavy favoritism towards HoloX and gave them a total of six 3D streams for their anniversary. I could imagine that burning out the early gen members.

Mel helped the company grow when they were 3views and she went through a lot of trouble because of her personal manager. Hololive rewards Mel by telling her they don't have any free time in the 3D studio. She could have been venting to a friend about 3D events in 2024 that haven't been officially announced.

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>>66934500
Either way, they already own the models and IP. They would be letting them go to waste, otherwise. Also, they would be leaving a large amount of easy goodwill on the table.

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>>66924445
Bullshit, Rushias termination was pretty shocking too. Only Coco got some proper send off.

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>>66934740
The early gens always get shafted the hardest. They put in the most work and see disproportionately less reward for their efforts. I hope they at least have better contracts than the newer members.

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>>66934835
>Either way, they already own the models and IP. They would be letting them go to waste, otherwise.
So what? You're proposing that everyone should be anle to do anything they want because someone will buy merch of the character.
>Also, they would be leaving a large amount of easy goodwill on the table.
What goodwill? All they would be doing is showing that they're not a trustworthy company for third parties to work with.

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>>66934740
>Hololive rewards Mel by telling her they don't have any free time in the 3D studio. She could have been venting to a friend about 3D events in 2024 that haven't been officially announced.
There was that recent announcement of Hololive members getting only 1 guaranteed 3D stream each year now taking effect in April, right before Mel and 1st Gen's anniversaries. These type of things are planned long in advance and if this announcement came as a surprise and sank Mel's plans for May.
I think this rrat is starting to grow some legs

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>>66929742
>Who cares is Mel fuck that whore she broke nda!

Literally no one said this. I've been a little surprised at just how united Hololive fans are at mourning her loss. Not too many people believe she was fired without cause (unlike at Nijisanji where they fire vTubers over nothing), but no one is celebrating either.

As opposed to sisters like you that danced on the graves of Selen and Pomu.

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>>66924383
To be fair lil' wetty has always been a massive bitch.

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>>66935027
>You're proposing that everyone should be anle to do anything they want because someone will buy merch of the character.
No. It's very clear from how this was treated that it was not an act done in bad faith. There is no indication of ill intent, so there's no real loss to rehiring her in the future.
>What goodwill? All they would be doing is showing that they're not a trustworthy company for third parties to work with.
Again, there has been no indication that this was an act of malice. In fact, she stated that she confided in a friend and was betrayed. I highly doubt bringing her back eventually would hurt Cover's relationship with third parties. Also, it would rebuild the faith in the brand that has been shaken by this termination.

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Remember guys, the median age on this board is really, really young. The vast majority on here have NEVER worked any jobs whatsoever.

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>>66935503
>she stated that she confided in a friend and was betrayed.
She didn't say anything about being betrayed. She didn't even imply it and don't try to give me any "dread between the lines" bullshit.
>I highly doubt bringing her back eventually would hurt Cover's relationship with third parties.
If her actions brought problems to a third party then it absolutely will hurt their relationship.
>it would rebuild the faith in the brand that has been shaken by this termination.
LMAO what? How the fuck is the faith in the brand shaken by the termination? That's only true if you're one of those SEA kids acting like this is the end of the world and hololive will be going under by the end of the year because obviously everyone will get fired now.

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>>66935637
Yeah it was pretty obvious by the people calling each other jobless. Having a job is nothing special. It's just like when they insult each other by calling them young or underaged, I'd kill to be young again.

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>>66935767
>She didn't say anything about being betrayed.
From her RM statement last night:
"While being under a period of stress, I’d talked things with someone I trusted. I really regretted my action then."
It doesn't get much clearer than this.
>How the fuck is the faith in the brand shaken by the termination?
She has a history of being stalked by a Hololive manager. Additionally, she was immediately terminated without suspension.

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>>66924445
Well Rushia started cry-begging to dramafags and acting like an asylum patient while Mel just did typical white collar crime that fans don't actually care about. No one cares about insider trading besides faggot regulators, so in the eyes of fans, she essentially did nothing wrong.

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>>66936119
>It doesn't get much clearer than this.
Yeah it doesn't get much clearer that she didn't say she was betrayed.
>She has a history of being stalked by a Hololive manager.
And? That has nothing to do with what happened here. It's an issue from years ago that was dealt with and publicly addressed. It's not relevant anymore in any way. Firing Mel doesn't magically make it relevant again and rehiring her won't change anything about it either.
>Additionally, she was immediately terminated without suspension.
How does that shake the faith in the brand?

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>>66924445
There was a bunch of these about Rushia, too.
Nene herself was one of the people who talked about it, unsurprisinly. Nene's a good girl

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>>66936332
>Yeah it doesn't get much clearer that she didn't say she was betrayed.
I'm done. You're now pretending to be retarded.

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>>66935392
That's cap and you know it.

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>>66924445
/vt/ has a bad habit of forgetting stuff that goes against their narrative

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>>66936466
She doesn't say she was betrayed. You know you want to say "read between the lines" but I already called you retarded and told you to not say it, so you won't.

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>>66933796
No, she didn't. First I've seen this rrat

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>>66936553
Anon, "trusted" is past tense. You don't have to go between the lines, just read.

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>>66930941
We know what got her canned in the end and it had nothing to do with those messages she sent in November when she was having a suicidal breakdown over her cat dying and her then recent bipolar/depression diagnoses

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>>66936708
Why the fuck does this need to be coded? You can just type it out normally, you know.

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>>66926902
flare only can handle 1 menhera at time

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>>66936708
What's this schizobabble?

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>>66924445
Rushia could have saved herself by keeping quiet. She instead made a really stupid choice and could have easily not shared info with JP Keemstar. She had every chance to back out of it, but she didn't. Breaking NDA is breaking NDA. You can't shrug it off with a "but my mental health was bad."
You can try, but I don't want to be in the same room as you're laughed out of it.
Mel went out with as much grace as she could have. She'll be remembered as a beloved member who made a mistake and was fired because of it. Its how the world of business works, as shitty as it is for her beloved fans.

serious question but who here is outraged or was outraged over this without knowing exactly what breaking NDA actually means? You're anonymous, don't be shy.

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>>66936693
It's in past tense because she is talking about an event that has happened.

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>>66936735
Go away cuck, Mikethecat doesn't love you.

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>>66936735
>it had nothing to do with those messages she sent in November
But it did because several of those messages were accusing hololive members and staff of workplace harassment against her.

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>>66936903
The action she did in the past is "talked", which is why it's in past tense. Likewise, "trusted" being past tense means that the trust is no longer occurring.

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>>66936902
>Rushia could have saved herself by keeping quiet.
She couldn't have because she had already talked to him months ago and he was going to bring up that fact in order to back up what he would be saying about the rumors.

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>>66936968
IM in your walls bro

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>>66937044
You wouldn't get fired for that
>https://twitter.com/95rn16/status/1540243410384482304/photo/1
All the info was covered in this. Don't bother responding because you talk like someone who has never had a job in his life. Just a reminder Cover looked over that before letting her publish it. (I know you're the same guy who always argues this, so thanks for the reply in advance)

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>>66937146
Then she was doomed from the start, and that still sucks. I feel more pity for her fans than for her at this point cause she should have known the gravity of breaking an NDA.
Maybe these workshops informing the girls about it is the right idea, if it can happen twice.

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>>66937223
>You wouldn't get fired for that
But she was fired for it.
>All the info was covered in this.
What info? She didn't cover shit and lied about not disliking any hololive member even though her messages made it clear that she did hate someone.

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>>66935208
Cover did have convenient timing with their policy change for talents getting one individual 3D stream a year. They spent all that money on a new 3D studio but most of Hololive will be getting less. That is a horrible deal for early gens if management is still throwing 3D collabs at HoloX.

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>>66924623
Plot twist: Nene was the one she confided confidential information to

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>>66937310
>But she was fired for it.
Her statement confirmed she was fired for sending her manager's correspondence to Kore2 to explain why she needed an outside party. Without that, I doubt they'd have fired her.
You're free to disagree but that's just your opinion

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>>66937466
>Her statement confirmed she was fired for
Her statement didn't confirm shit. I already explained how she outright lied in her little statement.
It was nothing more than damage control to try and make herself seem more appealing to hololive fans that had seen that she actually might hate their oshi.

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>>66937640
>Her statement didn't confirm shit
This is unironically defamation.

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>>66937692
Sue me, Vegeta.

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>>66937466
Not just kore, but she also leaked like a songbird to narukami lmao

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>>66937720
NTA, but you sound like a literal schizo

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>>66937877
Narukami never even provided receipts for those, kek

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>>66925202
Mel shouldn't trust e-celebs she met on gta vcr.

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>>66937974
Because he is, Deus Ex is real in the modern age bro

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>>66936466
It turns out they were actually retarded. My bad.

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>>66937974
What makes me a schizo? Cover said she was fired for making false statements, korekore's stream showed examples of such false statements and now I'm the schizo for recounting these things.

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>>66938099
NTA. It's fine to say that a proven liar probably lied. You're getting gaslighted.

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>>66925765
OK so Flare actually said on Holotalk that Gen 3 wasn't really as close as people thought they were. During the Gen 3 announcement she was the one who didn't sound upset at all, and then during the Bakatare concert after her and Fubuki were basically like "well, we're here to entertain people and bring smiles to people's faces, so we hope you can enjoy the concert", which was in stark contrast to Fubuki's reaction to Coco. Flare's a blunt straight-shooter and Rushia was a crazy bitch who mostly kept to herself, I'm not surprised they didn't get on.

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The only thing Mel leaked was my semen from her vagina.

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>>66924383
> Niji:
Just another Tuesday.

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>>66938099
>Cover said
Cover were extermely vague and the actual reason was the NDA break caused by the sharing of her manager's communications
>b-but the rest of the statement
Company statements are always 100% accurate and would no way try to paint the company in the best light. Zaion/Sayu can confirm that with her 100% accurate termination statement

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>>66938331
Riku is M. Bizon?

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>>66924445
I always felt Rushia was a walled garden. She seemed to always be very distant compared to the other members and within her own generation, even during collabs. Like everyone treated her in a professional manner compared to how they joke and goof with each other.

When Rushia was terminated, the other members seemed to give the professional response to someone being fired, compared to Mel where they can barely hold it together when talking about it.

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>>66938466
Well, Vox is kind of like a 3rd-rate Vega in a way.....

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>>66938459
>Cover were extermely vague
Of course they were. The point was to not air out absolutely everything she did wrong but to give a general overview of why she is being fired.
>the actual reason was the NDA break caused by the sharing of her manager's communications
That was only one of the reasons.
>Company statements are always 100% accurate and would no way try to paint the company in the best light.
What is that that statement leaving out thjat would paint them in a bad light? The inclusion of Rushia making false statements does nothing to make them look good. It's there because she actually did it and korekore's stream proved it to be true.
>muh zaion
Yeah just fuck off to the next catalog thread with this bullshit, holoanti.

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>>66938480
There was mixed feelings to Rushia. Peko and Marine were in tears, Mori and Ina were supposedly devestated, Chammers went into Minecraft and took over her house. That said, everyone had an idea of what was going on since Rushia made so much of it so public. With Mel I can't tell whether the more muted resposnse is because nobody has a fucking clue how to even approach it since they're all in the dark (most likely), or whether Cover has asked them not to dwell on it on stream or on twitter beyond a brief mention.

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>>66938691
>Peko and Marine were in tears,
Marine cries about just about anything so her crying doesn't mean much. She even cried over getting a sponsorship once.

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>>66938656
>The inclusion of Rushia making false statements does nothing to make them look good.
It makes Cover look good for a couple reasons. It devalues the information she gave to korekore, and it devalues her defense.

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>>66938786
I agree with that and I kinda feel like Peko's reaction was a bit insincere.

[Anonymous No.]

Women cry any time anything that might be possibly sad happens. They could go to the funeral of a complete stranger and be a sobbing wreck by the end of it.

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>>66938814
>It devalues the information she gave to korekore
You just said that she wasn't fired for that because she didn't do that as she claims in her shitty statement.
>it devalues her defense.
Her "defense" was that she didn't do anything wrong.

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>>66939191
The NDA breach was her sharing management correspondence with korekore.

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>>66930020
Hololive has 480 people, that is mid-sized. The only time I've seen that type of direct ownership for an employee's/contractor's fate is in my current startup with less than 50 people. I still think he signed off on it but no way he would've had to do the directing of the termination investigation and instigate the termination process himself, the company is big enough to have those processes kick off without him involved.

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>>66939702
And false statements were her shit talking hololive staff and other members without proof. both of these happened, and both were part of the reason why she was fired.
Her saying she didn't do one of them doesn't change anything when there's proof that she did both.

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>>66939724
I've worked at a 500 man company before, it's still a large startup mentality. The processes may have started below him, but there's no question that he was intimately involved. Instead of blaming japanese corpo autism, they should be blaming Yagoo's autism. The alternative of course is that Mel actually did something bad enough to warrant termination.

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>>66926555
Someone claimed Flare dislikes lying so much she doesn't even enjoy playing Amogus.
So Rushia betraying her trust would be grounds for immediate dismissal.
But this is just another rrat on a basket weaving forum.

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>>66939984
The more I hear about flare, the more autistic she seems. She's good at hiding it though.

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>>66939955
They are a public company too and that creates differing responsibilities and accountability structures that Yagoo has to listen to. I am sure he cares about his employees more than most companies but at the end of the day, an employee's fate is low on the totem pole compared to what I listed above even if it would adversely affect it in the long term so yeah, no other explanation is believable than the official narrative unless we see legal action which is highly unlikely given Mel's public statements.

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>>66940282
Mel would be like a VP or Senior VP in terms of importance to cover, so she's not just any other employee. The more important members would be C level.

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>>66940684
No she wouldn't. She's that one person that has been around since the start who still works in an unimportant position and receives barely above minimum pay for her position because she lacks the drive and skill to aim for anything more.

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>>66940684
She doesn't even have equity in Cover or Hololive, she is not important at all. The surprising thing is that Sora seems to be the only Holo who does have equity in the company, not even the other Gen 0s have a credible claim.

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>>66940684
It's time to stop typing

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>>66941319
>not even the other Gen 0s have a credible claim
Because gen 0 is completely made up. They are not a "generation" in any sense of the word. It's just a title given to people who debuted on their own.

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>>66939955
I can't believe Mel blabbed about Yagoo's cocaine habit...

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>>66925855
>>66931333
Based and non ass kissing. Holos are becoming what they accuse Niji of.

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>>66940888
>unimportant position
She's an on screen talent for a entertainment company. That's more important than pretty much anyone below director level behind the scenes.

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>>66942609
You've never had a job if you think that higher ups consider the people that butter their bread important. Yes the people working on the ground floor are the most important people in reality, but the higher ups would gladly fire every single one of them if it padded their reports.

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>>66942688
You think senior management at Cover don't realise how important the actual Holo girls are, because the big boss at your company doesn't know you exist? This isn't a fucking insurance company you dimwit.

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>>66942866
I make sure my boss knows how good I am and that I could walk into another job no problems lmao

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>>66942609
>She's an on screen talent for a entertainment company.
And that's all she is. She doesn't do much pulling of strings behind the scenes and is never involved in organizing anything major because she's just a mere on screen talent.

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>>66937392
Nene is not a third party. She literally works in the company.

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>>66940888
>>66941319
You guys are either seriously overestimating the importance of VPs or underestimating the entire product line that Mel represents.

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>>66931399
Stop kissing corpos ass you fucking nigger

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>>66943834
>underestimating the entire product line that Mel represents
The Mel product line is one forgettable streamer. You might as well start pumping up someone like Roboco because she's the second hololive member.

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>>66925430
DO
YOUR
RESEARCH
Holy shit you're pathetic no Noel doesn't hate Rushia

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>>66925855
listen, nobody knows the actual full context, the leaked info, nothing. Nada.
So stop acting like there's something to be mad about.

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>>66937392
>Plot twist: Nene was the one who actually confided confidential information out
Fixed.

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>>66940127
>She's good at hiding it though.
lmao

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>>66948312
I don't watch her because I'm an EOP and she doesn't get many clips.
Tell me about your oshi's autism, all I know is hse hates her skin, hates being sexualized and hates being drawn with weapons.

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>>66939984
>Someone claimed Flare dislikes lying so much she doesn't even enjoy playing Amogus.
Flare doesn't like amongus because she's hyper-sensitive to how people perceive her. When Korone asked, Flare explained that she feels she can be loud and forceful, and she could give members she hasn't interacted with before a poor impression, or worse, unintentionally hurt their feelings. In a chatting stream she extended that to say she doesn't like the idea of making false accusations. Really, a lot of the funny stuff in amongus is down to holomem playing badly on purpose to keep it light, so it isn't exclusively a view Flare has. She's just sweetly autistic about it.
This is the elf that privated a Splatoon stream because she was worried a few retards might hear her debating strategy with Irys and believe they're somehow doing 12-hour splatfest streams while secretly loathing one another, after all.
At best she wasn't close with Rushia, at worst she had the good sense to avoid engaging beyond surface-level with a maladjusted time-bomb.

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>>66933796
I remember seeing posts talking about coco graduating the day prior to the announcement, so this might actually be plausible. plus screenshots from 5chan

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>>66948983
I would say this is a retarded take, but I still remember the autistic hate Marine got for tetris.

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>>66942866
>You think senior management at Cover don't realise how important the actual Holo girls are
Cover is aware that fans have more of a connection to their talents but why do you think HoloX received a huge marketing campaign? They were shilled more heavily than any previous gen and were given frequent access to the 3D studio while older talents were completely ignored. Hololive suffers from the same business mentality that idol companies have that brand name is more important than anything.

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>>66924794
>Rushia was a devious menhera and everyone knew it, when she became non-holo there was no need to defend her for them
t. threadreading dramamonkey

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>>66930941
this is still a lie btw

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>>66933796
this was not onfirmed, but heavily speculated with no other known leaker.

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>>66924445
Everybody hated Rushia except her gachis, she was unbearable.
Mel was a cute airhead, not the brightest lightbulb in the shed but a good girl nonetheless.

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>>66931550
Problem is, this depends on corpo optics first, only then PR optics. Is there a general corpo-world precedent for rehiring someone that violated an NDA because of idiocy and not malice?

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>>66948983
Tl;dr: Flare is autistic

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>>66924201

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>>66961149
OP shameless self bump when the thread was about to die
phaseniggers are really trying hard to shit the board today

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>>66950972
Mike and KoreKore connection comes way before Holo. Around the NicoNoco era, when KoreKore help Mike to "denounce" her, at the time, bf. She contacted KoreKore with one and only one idea in mind.

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>>66924201
That's a bit sad

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>>66924262
they all work for Live2D at the end of the day. Vtubers are just the latest apple product that winds up in the trash after 3 years.

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>>66933503
rusia...

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>>66931333
>>66943939
insane projection

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>>66926256
dipshits like you inhaling that corporate cock is why corporations can get away with stupid shit. Always some stupid asshole there to defend them for free.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66973777
you sound jobless

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>>66973777
>deflects to cock
>every single time

[Anonymous No.]

Too many zoomers that don't understand how the real working world works.
Confidentiality is very important in business.
I'm in accounting and I literally do not say shit to anyone, not even family, regarding any identifiable detail regarding work. It's simply part of the job, and any company that hires you expects the same.

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>>66977203
who cares? I like her, so she shouldn't have to graduate
it's literally that simple, I don't give a fuck what corporate policies she broke

[Anonymous No.]

>>66973777
When you start working, you will understand what we mean

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>>66977295
cover has become a proper company. that means an HR team that has no soul and will enforce a set of rules to protect the company. when you break something as serious as an NDA it's over. they're not rehiring someone they fired for sharing company secret info. you don't have to be happy with the situation, but you can at least accept the reality of it.

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>>66977561
>you don't have to be happy with the situation, but you can at least accept the reality of it.
stop moving the goalpost, nobody here "isn't accepting reality", we're unhappy with the situation and rightfully calling out cover for being retarded

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>>66978011
you're unhappy and refusing to understand that they had no choice and aren't going to just undo the decision.

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>>66977295
>I like her
No you don't.

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>>66924383
wtf that's so mean

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>>66977203
Is this really the world that you live in? Sad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66981659
That's the life of every adult, child.

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>>66981659
What? He's not saying he doesn't talk about his business, just doesn't get into the specifics. Hell I don't tell the people I'm close with the specifics of my work, not because I signed an NDA, but just because I don't give a shit.

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>>66981734
Sad.

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>>66924445
Rushia was a bad person.
Michael Cat is still a bad person.

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>>66981659
>>66982201
And the people I'm close with would be bored by the details of my work. I have other stuff to talk to them about. Keeping work and leisure time separate is healthy.

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>>66924201
Who and who?

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>>66977203
Everyone I know gossips and talks shit about their job. You're either a NEET and/or have no friends

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>>66985566
And everyone you know would get fired if found out, retard.

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>>66985597
You mind get a slap from HR but businesses, surprisingly enough, aren't in a massive rush to throw out good employees.
That's just how things work in the real world.

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>>66938656
>muh zaion
He unironically wrecked you with that point, though, considering that's your only comeback

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>>66939191
>You just said that she wasn't fired for that because she didn't do that as she claims in her shitty statement
Wait, you're illirate. Give me a second
She doesn't deny messagine Kore in November. But even Kore said there was no real info given there and it's not what caused her to be fired. Cover included it in the PR statement because it makes them look better and makes her look worse, which is naturally what you do when you're firing a popular talent.
As Zaion's termination shows, you can fill a termination statement with a bunch of information that has nothing to do with the actual reason for termination
If she hadn't broken NDA, it would have been a lot harder to fire her. Although we'll never know how much pressure Mafu's corp put on Cover.

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>>66985782
Yeah Zaion proved that Cover is a black company.

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>>66939191
>You just said that she wasn't fired for that because she didn't do that as she claims in her shitty statement
Wait, you're illiterate. Give me a second
She doesn't deny messaging Kore in November. But even Kore said there was no real info given there and it's not what caused her to be fired. Cover included it in the PR statement because it makes them look better and makes her look worse, which is naturally what you do when you're firing a popular talent.
As Zaion's termination shows, you can fill a termination statement with a bunch of information that has nothing to do with the actual reason for termination
If she hadn't broken NDA, it would have been a lot harder to fire her. Although we'll never know how much pressure Mafu's corp put on Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66985925
She proved that anyone treating a termination statement as pure gospel instead of a company statement are retarded, regardless of which company they like

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>>66985902
>>66985936
>But even Kore said there was no real info given there and it's not what caused her to be fired.
He didn't say that. He showed what she had said to give examples for what she was fired over.
>Cover included it in the PR statement because it makes them look better
It doesn't make them look better. They could have just said she leaked info and left it at that.
>makes her look worse
If she doesn't want to look worse then maybe she shouldn't be such a garbage person?
>As Zaion's termination shows
It doesn't show anything. She's not hololive.
>you can fill a termination statement with a bunch of information that has nothing to do with the actual reason for termination
Everything in Rushia's termination notice was what she had done. Her "defense" was lying about the things she had said knowing that simps like you will rush to her defense because you've spent several thousand dollars into her.
>If she hadn't broken NDA, it would have been a lot harder to fire her.
Doesn't matter. All you're saying is that they would have wanted her gone over the other thing but might not have been able to fire her and somehow this makes the company evil and not the individual employee that's trying to destroy the whole company.

>>66985975
The statement was correct. Everything in the statement was demonstrated on korekore's stream after people tried blaming the firing on him.

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>>66925855
Good luck working via contracts. I have known people to be fired for less than leaking sensitive information. The only autism, is thinking that your loose relationship with laws is shared by all. Individuation is such a hard step for tards.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm glad you at least got some closure, kaupmin. It's got to hurt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66986643
This isn't closure, this is prolonged suffering. I'd prefer her getting fired Rushia style over this, at least I'd hate her then and move on faster.

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>>66927464
That sounds like cope. Becoming a Holo girl leads to generational wealth. You're talking about becoming a millionaire vs what she has now.