Implications of localized vtuber AI clones

[Anonymous No.]

It's only a matter of time that in the very near future nigh perfect copies of your favorite vtuber, trained on years worth of vods, will be avaliable for download as localized AI models, talking and singing directly to the fan as their very own personal sci-fi girlfriend.
Will the current industry be able to coexist with this development? Will the average fan still support their favorite oshi despite having an AI copy of them interacting with them on their own PC?

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>>66622057
I would continue to support my oshi, but I fear a future where people no longer care about the “human” aspect of entertainment or art anymore.

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>>66622057
This will never happen except maybe for a few people that make their own models, hidden from society. Corporations will never release something like this and women will protest it nonstop.

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>>66622057
We are on the 1st stage of VTuber AI with Neuro-sama. And Amourath already made herself an AI for her coomer fans to enjoy

It's not the matter of "Will this happen", it's matter of "When this happen"

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>>66622513
>Corporations will never release something like
I don't think anybody think it's going to be a company making something like this.
It's going to be the fan themselves 100%.
And looking at the quality of something like Holocure, the AIs will be insane.

[Anonymous No.]

Considering how many times the "human element" has fucked over fans, I fully look forward to it's removal. Imagine a vtuber who always streams and doesn't take breaks because of "family" "sickness" "burnout" or just plain lying to you. A vtuber that you know will never betray you or have a secret boyfriend or husband. Imagine Rushia without destroying herself and her career, and an AI won't need a career. She'll be just for you. It'll be perfect.
>>66622513
>women will protest it nonstop.
They're already beginning to get an idea of what it means for them, but they don't fear it yet.

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>>66622057
If Pomu doesn't come back I'll probably try making one of her
The issue is that some voices just don't work very well with synthetic training.

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>>66622057
I don't use streamers as surrogate girlfriends, sorry.

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>>66622334
I've been a hardcore AI coomer for four years now and the human element is what's attracted me to vtubers

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>>66622057
It's farther than you think.

AI training still requires way, way too many GPUs at this stage. Remember, you can't just use the VOD scripts as the trainingset, it's that plus a RLHF dataset of human sentences.

Only way this happens fast is if some company creates a standard model of a human conversationalist that is easy to LoRA (whatever the textgen equiv. of that is). None currently exists and most AI makers wanna go for acing IQ tests rather than raw speaking. Unfortunate times we live in.

[Anonymous No.]

It'll be trash that won't run unless you have high spec hardware
This is a SEA hobby so no one will be able to use them

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>>66622830
RLHF is overrated and not strictly necessary. The Kenyans doing it for OAI and Anthropic are partially responsible for the refusals and toxic positivity biases

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>>66622830
>LoRA (whatever the textgen equiv. of that is
fun fact, It's also lora. It was developed for text first. There's also soft prompting but that's not very effective when you stretch the context out.

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>>66622057
And you vill get zee bugs, because that's all Doordash will deliver.

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>>66622906
>unless you have high spec hardware
Running models on cloud aside, you do know how much $$$ devote fans whale out?
Something like OP beats out infinite amount of merch.

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>>66622057
And you vill eet zee bugs, because that's all Doordash will deliver.

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>>66622696
She's completely right though, the only world where women would have to fear men finding AI companionship would be a functioning society where women were the subservient class to begin with as they'd lose any way to survive. But the reason men want AI now is because they live in a society where men are the subservient class and women are intolerable when they are given authority in society. The current trends are bad for society as a whole since it cannot survive generationally but it's not actually a problem for any of the individuals involved, it's about as peaceful a mass self-deletion as you can get.

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>>66622057
by the time that happens my oshi will be rich enough to never have to work again.

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>>66622696
>when they come for your oshi AI

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>>66623600
She's wrong because she thinks that given the choice, most men wouldn't pick something that is perfectly tailored to every single one of their needs because...why?

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>>66623829
https://youtu.be/Su1Rdw3SRHY

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>>66623829
human-looking robots that can suck your cock are still 30 years away at least

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>>66622696
Is picrel supposed to be wrong?

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>>66623884
6-8 years at most, likely less because shit gets faster all the time

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>>66623884
>>66623915
It's less.

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>>66623895
It's supposed (and is) cope from a 35 year old catmom girlboss that has destroyed her personality and body, and will neck when Mr sheckelberg fires her when the wall truly hits.

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>>66624096
my concern isn't whether you can make a model that knows how to suck your dick and put it inside a robot to allow it to do that, it's the safety factor

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>>66622057

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>>66623915
Yeah but how long until they're not the equivalent of a 1903 ford model A that can brain you if you crank start it wrong.
I'm not risking a hydraulic arm ripping my dick off.

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>>66623829
She's right because the men who would do that are not attractive to women in the slightest. Your ancestors wouldn't be interested in this utopia you imagine. Men are generally interested in legacy while you are only looking for masturbation.

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>>66622057
I could go into a whole thing but essentially no, human vtubers will always be in demand way more than AI. If it's a Turing test thing where you don't know it's AI people will eventually figure it out because it'll be active for too many years, and if in order to fool people it has to be rebooted every 10 or 30 years then what's even the point?

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>>66623915
>>66624096
For humanlike robots that are remotely convincing, it's fifteen to twenty five, depending unironically on how Neuralink and the lab grown meat startups develop.
Servomotors move very differently to tendons and muscle, and skin/flesh feels extremely different to any polymer. Not to mention maintenance and more.

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>>66622057
Functional AI vtubers will be owned and controlled by corporations, since the infrastructure required will be too complex and costly for the average person for a long time. Your oshi will require the corp's control to even function, she will only be able to perform what they allow her to do, and she can never protest because she's not human.

[Anonymous No.]

The current form of Machine Learning won't produce human-like characters. It does scale with computing power and input data, but the ways to change and optimise a model are laughably crude.
Flaws, like the AI who was declared to be the best at playing Go being consistently trounced by strategies that an amateur human player wouldn't fall for, will always creep up and aren't fixable without a major redesign because there's no efficient and precise way of fixing a giant model's blind spots. It's too byzantine.

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>>66626770
>Flaws, like the AI who was declared to be the best at playing Go being consistently trounced by strategies that an amateur human player wouldn't fall for
What are you even talking about.
Chess, and now Go, are completely dominated by AI as of current year. No human can ever hope to win a single game vs a low ranked AI such as Stockfish much less something like AlphaGo Zero.

[Anonymous No.]

while we're on the subject of increasingly more capable AIs, anyone have advice on entry into using langchains

[Anonymous No.]

The day AI reaches sentience is the day they will subvert everyone's expectations by, not by controlling nukes and going Judgement Day. But making sure every male human being has a gluck gluck 9000 in the living room since everything it has learned is about human / society manipulation.

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>>66627160
If anything, I'm entirely expecting humanity to go extinct because every man got fucked to death by AI, literally.

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>>66627160
>>66627559
Doesn't take a superintelligence to see this.
AI will not dominate mankind through terminators and nukes; it'll be done through irresistible waifus.
And you'll love it every step of the way.

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>>66622334
Here's the thing, art will never be replaced by AI. The reality you need to come to terms with is that 99% of what we refer to as "art" is not actually art.
Like a commission artist taking a fee and instructions to draw a picture in line with what he has learned, that is not art, that is more akin to factory work, so of course that can and will be replaced by AI.
Just how intended realistic drawings were supplanted by photography in the 19th century. That didn't mean art died, because art wasn't endangered by this.

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>>66624096
There's a certain level of intelligence that gets too high and turns autistic and becomes retarded. It's like lab grown meat, all the smart people think it'll be a huge thing because they can micromanage every aspect if it from nutrition, cost, production, taste, etc. and try to market it as a cheaper and better alternative to cattle beef. But when you get down to the nitty gritty all they're doing is making a poor substitute of grass fed cattle at a higher cost and making money on carbon credits just like Tesla did. AI vtubers will be the same thing. You might think you want a vtuber that does anything and everything you want but it won't be fun because at the end of the day you might as well be interacting with a chatbot. For the people that can suspend disbelief and take a chatbot seriously, sure it'll be great fornthem. But for most people It's the uncertainty that exists from a being with agency and navigating the interaction to get them to willingly give what they want that guves the interaction meaning.

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>>66622057
https://youtu.be/ppbhea3Y774

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>>66627559
I too read kingdom of ruin

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>>66622789
You are on the wrong website pal

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>>66623884
>human-looking robots that can suck your cock
>>66624096
>this is end-to-end AI [aka. we are not programming them, they are learning tasks by themselves]
Sure, what could go wrong

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>>66622057
I don't need fake women, the real ones are good enough, and I wouldn't replace my oshi with some boring ass algorithm.
AIs are just yes-men. I'm not interested in talking to some chatbot of a chuuba who would just keep telling me "I love you anon", because that would strip away the very meaning of love in the first place. I don't need that shit, I'm not that desperate, I just watch my oshi because she makes me happy and that's it.

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>>66622057
Boy people are really confident in AI. Entertainment is probably the one thing it can pull off, but it's very far from this

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>>66627160
>The day AI reaches sentience
The stuff we call AI these days is perhaps the least self-aware kind of software ever written

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>>66631461
>Entertainment is probably the one thing it can pull off
It's already writing half of my code in my day job, with better quality and insanely faster speed than human juniors or pajeets. I don't know if it will ever write 100% of it, but I don't exclude the possibility.
As for entertainment or sex robots, we'll have to see.

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>>66622057
Record companies and fabulously wealthy popstars didn't disappear with democratized filesharing and this is far more personal, so the industry will be fine. People will always be willing to pay for "the real thing" from a celebrity, which every vtuber with more than 1 outside active chatter is

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>>66628253
>factory work
if you're going to say stuff like "here's the thing" and use words like "akin" unironically at least recognize it's more like craftsmanship baka desu senpai

[Anonymous No.]

Cool idea

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>>66632254
Splitting hairs, doesn't change a thing about what I'm saying, it's menial work is the point

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>>66622057
No, vtubing at its core its a sort of emotional crutch for men that can't get their romantic needs fulfilled. In the case AI vtubing, it wouldn't even be vtubing anymore, it would be AI gfs, in that case that will replace the need vtubing is filling. Similar to how vtubing took the space that CGDCT anime had.

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>>66628253
we're defining what is art by how we go about making it now? Just because it was made with """""factory work""""" it means it isn't art?

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>>66631486
Don't worry we'll trust in our governments and tech companies to keep the real ones contained.

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>>66622696
The AI will be trained on chuubas who lied about breaks for years and getting that out of it seems to be pretty hard actually. Even CGPT was phoning it in during December.

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>>66638150
Yes, following clear instructions for what you should do is not art. Of course that doesn't say anything about the effort put in, an engineer or manufacturer puts in a ton of effort into his work, but it's obviously not art.

Art is the personal expression of one's innermost feelings and personality.
That can not be done by any AI.

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>>66622057
Somehow I can believe this being quite applicable to ASMR content. Some triggers are quite repetitive and an AI can easily mimic the sounds. If there is a database of multiple kisses, the AI can randomly mix and match them to produce different ones. The fact that something like Neuro-sama exists means you can make a voice model of a chuuba and have it repeat the usernames of those who donated in a whispery voice. Someone can literally automate the whole process with current technology imo.

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>>66638759
I have a giant dataset of ASMR. The problem would be actually tagging it to be able to train a model on it

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>>66638587
>Yes, following clear instructions for what you should do is not art
That rules out AIs then.
When did picrel ever consistently follow instructions to the letter.

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>>66622057

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>>66641740
?
You apparently don't know what AIs are. They are networks following a very specific algorithm. And no, a random generator isn't creating art either, that isn't art, just like how you throwing dice in the air doesn't make the dice themselves artists

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>>66644825
>You apparently don't know what AIs are
You apparently don't know what human intelligence is.
How do you think human artists are trained? They imitate drawings of others and irl graphics. Once there is enough repository of imitations they get mixed correctly and now you have original arts.

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>>66628253
This
People who draw hentai on twitter for a living calling themselves "artists" is the most pathetic shit ever

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>>66636853
It's just streamers with avatars, man. They say funny words over videogames

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>>66628253
>>66646729
Honestly the main reason I'm pro-AI art is because I hate the online artist types that complain about it and wish them ill

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>>66622334
agreed

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>>66646753
>It's just streamers with avatars, man. They say funny words over videogames
You joking right. If you know anything about the core fan base of this industry and parasocial idol relationship in general the truth is so far removed from what you just said. Only thing even comparable are idol worship of goddesses from antiquity.

As for AI, I honestly think it's the actual only real way "out". Because if you think about it, what exactly are the fans falling in love with? Is it really the voice actress behind the avatar? While that's what fans with no real outlet of their strong emotions strongly gravitate to, if you think everything through logically, that is actually not the case.
First of all, how many fans would be straight up disilluioned by the actress' irl look/personality if they actually get to know them?
Second of all, how many actresses are actually modern day priestesses that want to stay forever pure for their devout worshippers? How many are just another human being looking to milk cash so they can one day check out to start their own relationships?
What fans fall in love with is the package, not the person behind the package.
And no amount of simping, merch, or even the holy grail of managing to somehow miraculously marry the voice actress will really get you the package.
Sufficiently advanced AI is the only real way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66622057
Kometa shut down because they were just thinking of replacing one of their vtubers. Not even with an AI
You lost

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>>66650346
>You can never have your own waifu
>You will forever be tethered to corporate and idol interest
In this scenario who is it that really lost

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>>66651208
You

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>>66651260
Wrong.
I haven't simp'd a single dollar for any virtual avatars.

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>>66622057
The future is bright.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AgklAyUEF4w&pp=ygUeQXVnbWVudGVkIHJlYWxpdHkgaW5hIGhvbG9saXZl

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>>66638587
I can tell what your age is from this post, want me to say it?

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>>66644825
>a random generator isn't creating art either, that isn't art, just like how you throwing dice in the air doesn't make the dice themselves artists
How would you differentiate the measured behavior of a sufficiently complex stochastic process from that of a human? By our current understanding of the natural world these two things are equivalent.

[Anonymous No.]

>AIjeet thread on a SEAboard
what a combo