/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

It's kinda insane how little support and fans holostars had the first 1-2 years of their existence. Imagine being hated by most of cover's fans just because you're a guy, having to go through that every single day. Holofags are a disgrace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv74pMZTLPk

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>>66500867
Good, it's a pity he didn't go with Kira route, or killed himself, that would be even better

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>>66500867
I keep forgetting Miyabi even exists

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>>66500867
The argument of the post itself isn't wrong, the Stars have had to deal with being shat on since inception. But the fact you're using it as fuel in you retarded NijiHolo console war, makes you a giant faggot when the fans of Nijifemales also would not hesitate to shit on them when they came out.

>>66500929
Unlike you he's not a tranny who's one glance at a mirror away from ending his own life.

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HOLOSTAAAAAAAAAAAR RRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEE !

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>>66500977
The guy who acts like a girl and uses an anime model to stream is nearer of being a tranny than I ever will be

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Boohoo nigga

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>>66500867
>Imagine being hated by most of cover's fans just because you're a guy
As it should be. Homostars can fuck right off. Men not welcome in CGDCT.

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>>66500867
Still had far too much support, as they fucking survived like cockroaches. Divert money from them to give each girl a pillow or something, it's a better use of it.

[Anonymous No.]

if being a male Vtuber streamer is seen as hard mode, being a holostar streamer would be like Extreme Mode

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>>66500867
Playing video games is so hard, poor little fag.

[Anonymous No.]

that's a sisters' business. not mine.

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>>66501232
Aren't you missing out on your dilating session tranny? Better hurry up before your axe wound closes up now!

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>>66500867
Should have quit.

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>>66501449
AAAIIEEEE MORE MIXED COLLABS SOMEONE PLEASE GET A GIRL ON THIS STREAM BEFORE THEY SINK

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>>66501372
Niggas will say this and immediately move to defend Gura not streaming for months over stummy hort :(

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>>66501475
Lmao

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>>66501449
vtuber brainrot is insane, imagine thinking ~4k is something to scoff at

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>>66500867
And Sora started off with 13 or so viewers. Your efforts get rewarded. That's how new ventures work, you dumb fucking nijifag.

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>>66502052
kind of different being unpopular from the get go vs being actively disliked from the get go

[Anonymous No.]

I kinda like oga and aruran
and although I don't think he's very funny on his own, I do enjoy Tamaki and Mea pulling out Roberu for his monthly whipping

legit no idea how anyone, but the most obsessed yumejoshi manage to watch Temma and some of the rest

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>>66500867
You're a disgrace, you dumb motherfucker. He's got a more fulfilling life than you ever will.

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>>66500977
maybe he was naive, but he took the role that was an attack on everything the company was already turning out to be, gauging the fan reactions.
and THEN he chose to stay, for god knows what reason. holostars were a mistake from the beginning.
started due to lack of foresight and kept due to irrational desire to fail at cornering broad markets.

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>>66502107
Persecution complex. It shouldn’t matter if you can seek to move past the disdain.

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>>66502174
I watch both, I think the guys are funnier and more entertaining. not a yumejoshi, or even a joshi for that matter.

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>>66501547
And yet the girls can get 100k while the guys struggle to hit 4k. Male branch was a waste of money and no amount of cope can alter reality.

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>>66500867
Male vtubers were a mistake.

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>>66500867
Good

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>>66502052
Has absolutely zilch to do with "efforts" and also, completely different timeframes and situations

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>>66502107
You should be trying to reach a different audience not attempt to insert yourself into one with a preestablished culture. No one likes leeches.

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>>66500867
>Cover's fans
Who the fuck is fan of a corporation? People either like the general idea of Hololive or they oshi one, or a few, of the girls. There's no way 99% of the audience has enough time or money to actually oshi a corporation.

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>>66502013
>imagine thinking ~4k is something to scoff at
Six homos only pulling 3k ccv all together is really fucking bad because it demonstrates the demand for the entire branch is ridiculously low. That's something point and laugh it.

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>>66502383
Go watch streams and instead of crying and shiting yourself here. No one wants to watch them. Not even the fag enablers. The numbers over the past near half a decade prove it.

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>>66502013
>imagine thinking ~4k is something to scoff at
Six homos only pulling 3k ccv all together is really fucking bad because it demonstrates the demand for the entire branch is ridiculously low. That's something to point and laugh it.

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>>66502383
>completely different timeframes
yeah, they joined later and leeched off the original girls hard work
>and situations
yeah, Sora is a talented entertainer and holostars aren't.

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>>66500867
Female vtubers and their fans were a genuine mistake and continue to be a blight on this community. This really isn't surprising. Miyabi has more will and resolve than any of the trannies itt. The best we can do is hope they add themselves to the 41% as quickly as possible

[Anonymous No.]

The only man I support is my dad.

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>>66502506
without female vtubers (and their fans) to pay the bills you wouldn't have any of your precious boiz at all. show some gratitude sister.

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>>66502500
She's popular because she has a hole between her legs that you want to fuck, like every holofemale. Anything else is pure cope.

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>>66502436
4 thousand people is not a small number, just because it's not the 100k that ayame has on her birthday live doesn't mean it's somehow an insignificant number. that's 4 thousand people who could possibly be spending money on things they put out. literally tell any person outside of the hololive bubble that 4 thousand is apparently a small number, you'd be laughed at for how silly you sound

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>>66502518
Don't have friends? Or brothers? I would say I hope you never have a son but considering you're a man hating tranny, that's not going to be a problem

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>>66500867
>Posting Miyabi for the catalogmonkeys
Go fuck yourself OP

[Anonymous No.]

The day Yagoo leaves will be the day the Homo sisters should fear the most. The only one propping them up is him. When he's gone the board will begin to cut the fat and the Stars will be on the chopping block.

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>>66502574
ok fag keep kissing the asses of men

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>>66502506
>saying this but forgetting who brought up THE CAUSE

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>>66502541
jealous unlovable leftover femoid detected, sorry about your eggs sis

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>>66502609
>kissing the asses of men
Saying I don't hate my fellow men and treat them with worth and respect is kissing ass? I'm sorry your father repeatedly raped your asshole as a child, but I can assure you that's not the case with all men, trannychama

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>>66500867
>how little support
>Kronii, Mori, and Bae literally crippled themselves purely in hopes of propping up the Stars EN.

Come on.

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>>66502692
>my fellow men
lol yeah right, getting a rotdog stitched on won't make you a yaoi bishie

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>>66500867
>Unikeks golden girl Mumei turn out to be as lazy as their other golden girl Gura
>homo vs holo thread to deflect
>use literal 4 year old shit
Shameful display, could have used the ENside or VCR for more current stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

Cant force me to like something. Cope and seethe. The more you push it, the more I dislike it.

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>>66502506
>post this retarded shit
>attends the SUPER EXPO to get her oshi's merch
>comes back to post more of this retarded shit
You are being tolerated on way too many levels to have that attitude

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>>66502692
Treating your fellow fag with worth and respect, go suck their cock somewhere else you worthless gay bitch.

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>>66502597
Literally everyone that isn't a fan of the most popular members should be afraid. The board isn't going to be like "we like ALL the girls" they are going to go after anyone who isn't up to their metrics, whether it be outright termination, or just exclusion from events just like Nijisanji does. The people who were screeching about how black a decision to only guarantee one 3D live for each member a year are going to realize that that is a generous offer when suddenly their oshi just isn't allowed in the studio ever again in that universe.

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>>66502704
Sisters will never appreciate the career risks the girls - Ame and Kronii in particular - made to welcome Tempus.

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>>66502757
>man hating tranny
You're going to end up necking yourself very soon, worthless piece of shit troon

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>>66502832
sis you can keep screeching about trannies all day but you're not going to upset actual men by accusing them of being men

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>>66502692
>my fellow men
Kek, not a single one of my friends ever rp’d the Three Musketeers like you’re shitposting about. We were all too busy trying to harm one another to give a fuck.

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>>66502506
>the vtubing business wouldn't exist without female vtubers
>FEMALE VTUBERS WERE A MISTAKE
Homosister having a melty over here

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>>66502704
>>66502776
retards

[Anonymous No.]

miyabi love! :D

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>>66502597
The narcissism to think you impotent faggots actually have the power to graduate an entire branch. The retardation is only surpassed by the sheer delusion.

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>>66502859
It's literally just true, though. Hell, it's particularly infuriating in Kronii's case because she was a legit 5-view on average, and then threw it all away for two dudes who ended up leaving anyway.

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>>66502757
>if you like other man it means you wanna suck their dick
You unironically sound like a fujo kek.

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>>66502922
he means the board of directors... try taking a deep breath before posting next time.

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>>66502745
The ones being tolerated are you faggots.

>>66502858
Oh no, the revolutionary idea of live2D avatars wouldn't exist at all if the avatar didn't have a vagina. Faggot.

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>>66502558
>4 thousand people is not a small number
4k is a very small and satanic number when it's split between six people.

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>>66502974
you wouldn't have holostars without hololive paying the bills. you don't watch streams, you don't buy merch, you don't superchat. you're just parasites.

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>>66502506
It's unreal how much delusional roasties /here/ seethe when confronted with the reality of a woman who's actually successful

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>>66502692
If you consider the homostars to be your "fellow men" then you're definitely an unironic homosexual

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>>66502992
doesn't matter if it's one person or 6 people. Cover had 4k people willing to watch a literal ad stream with men in it. thinking that's something to scoff at is just silly.

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>>66502692
>uwu anime bois
>men
Lmao

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>>66502934
>it's particularly infuriating in Kronii's case
And who do you think is responsible for that? You faggots always come so close to realizing who the problem is before immediately turning back.
Also how the fuck did Kroni and Ame help Miyabi in any way? Their actual JP senpais publicly came out and shat on them.

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>>66502922
Cover's board of directors, sweetheart. I know you're driven by seethe and resentment, but try to keep up.

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>>66502871
Once again, he has more resolve and conviction than any holowhore or any dilating hololive tranny itt.

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>>66503016
>Projection, projection and more projection
Faggot

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>>66502692
Where did this narrative come from that people who dislike holostars are trannies? I’ve seen their twitters before, half of the holostars fanbase is trannies. You shouldn’t throw stones from that glass house of yours

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>>66503170
once again, he wouldn't have a job without those "holowhores" you love to shit on. they do the work, he just leeches.

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>>66503069
It matters a lot because it proves there's no point in keeping the Homo branch around. If you took six random Holo girls and had them do the exact same stream the ccv would be much, much higher. There's literally no reason for the Homos to exist. They're living, breathing debuffs.

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>>66503219
Hope your whores kill themselves and you trannies follow suit. Actually, the latter would probably happen regardless.

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>>66503271
we already knew that stars fans were holoantis, thanks

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>>66503219
There is a clip of aster talking about how he contributes absolutely nothing to cover and that they only keep him on “out of love”. If the second most popular homo admits that he is dead weight, then the entire branch is dead weight

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>>66503285
Die tranny

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>>66503069
It’s about relativity. If coca-cola released a new product and one million people bought it, would you say
>wow, one million people is a lot, this product is a huge success
Or would you say
>hmm, relative to the size of the company and the sales of their other products, this one is clearly a flop

[Anonymous No.]

you wanna see how petty and evil people can be all you have to do is look at this thread. i don't care about homos but man, you guys are fucking nasty pieces of shit.

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>>66503348
you dont even watch this guy, shut the fuck up

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>>66503348
You know half of the holostars fanbase are trannies right? I seriously don’t understand where you got this narrative from

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>>66503271
Kek. The homostars are parasites living off the money generated by the girls. If the "whores" all left then Cover would collapse over night and your precious homos would be out of a job.

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>>66503230
>no point in keeping the Homo branch around
Four thousand people who are fans of the guys are willing to sit through an ad and likely buy the things they are shilled by Cover. Tell Cover that four thousand people possibly spending money on their product is a waste of resources and see how fast you get laughed out of the room.

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>>66503373
I take it it's your first time interacting with hololivetrannies? This is how the hololive community is. Malicious incels that have and will resolve to death threats and harrassment against streamers for no reason. The only moral decision here is to stop associating with them

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>>66503403
yeah they're so eager to buy what the stars are selling that they lost their custom merch privileges to cut costs lmao

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>>66503374
>More projection
Faggot.

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>>66503428
PLEASE stop associating with hololive; everyone will be happier once you leave. Take your sharts with you! no one wants them here!

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>>66503429
jej

[Anonymous No.]

even redditors hate the stars

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>>66503403
>Four thousand people who are fans of the guys are willing to sit through an ad and likely buy the things they are shilled by Cover.
That number would be well over 4k if six girls were doing the sponsored collab instead of six homos. The homos debuffed it.
>Tell Cover that four thousand people possibly spending money on their product is a waste of resources
Cover would tell me "yeah you're right but Yagoo has a boner for the Homostars so there isn't much we can do about it".

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>>66503493
All the more reason to love the stars

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>>66503428
No one is stopping you from stair leaving...

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>>66503373
>i don’t care about the homos, but you’re all evil
You’re not tricking anyone retard, you obviously care about them

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>>66503458
Okay, kill yourself and I'll do that I promise.

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>>66503373
>you guys are fucking nasty pieces of shit.
As opposed to you and your sunny personality KEK

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>>66503403
Holy cope, a single hololive member outperforms the entire branch. 4k people is a drop in the bucket to cover

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>>66503553
Whoa there tiger, you're coming off super toxic right now

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If every female vtuber and their fans were to kill themselves tomorrow the community would legitimately be so fucking good. No more holowhores. It's really a miracle they turned a hobby about watching anime people into a complete cesspool.

[Anonymous No.]

completely unrelated, does anyone have the comparison for the 2024 countdown lives?

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>>66503632
The community would stop existing because holostars cannot stand on their own feet

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>>66503512
>>66503584
Literally imagine telling any company "HEY THIS EXTRA REVENUE STREAM IS ACTUALLY WORTHLESS BECAUSE THIS OTHER REVENUE STREAM MAKES MORE" why would any self respecting company listen to you when they are literally able to profit off of BOTH? It's not a one or the other thing, Cover is literally only gaining by having both groups pull thousands of people.

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>>66503170
I like and watch the girls too, just wish people would leave this guy alone ): he does relaxing game streams and makes cute vlogs and doesn't go out of his way to do anything untoward

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>>66503584
to put this in context, fucking Anya hit 4.2k viewers today playing Lethal Company all by herself. She outperformed a 6 member event stream, alone, with no buffs.

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>>66503736
he's a stain on the company and should not be associated with it

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>>66503736
Why do you watch women? Look at this thread? Are these detestable troons really the type of community you want to associate with? Female vtubers are unfunny and worse entertainers. Just watch the stars, you won't be missing anything trust me.

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>>66503632
>homosister meltdown intensifies
lel

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>>66503707
stars have staff, they take up studio time, they draw a salary, all while contributing nothing but a steady stream of homobeggars to pester the actual paying fans. I'm not convinced they're a "revenue stream" at all, so much as a charity project.

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>>66503891
>source: the voices I hear at night

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>>66503931
you think they don't use the studio? you think they don't have managers? you think they don't get paid? which of these do you think is imaginary?

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>>66503707
Because they can just release a new wave of girls and they will perform ten times as well, and then they no longer have to keep this dying branch on life support? Your cope is retarded, 4k people is less then nothing to cover, a random stream from the average hololive girl performs better then that

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>>66503373
Holobros don't want to lose to Nijisisters in being the most toxic fanbase.

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>>66503642

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>>66503949
I don't know, anon. Perhaps that one glaringly unsubstantiated piece of speculation that you conveniently chose to leave out?

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>>66503891
the studio time argument means literally nothing because Cover has literally proven that they can make multiple 3D events happen on the same day. So this point is useless.

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>>66503785
I have asked you repeatedly and gotten no answer, where does this narrative that hololive fans are troons come from? I’ve seen the boys twitter accounts, 90 percent of their community consists of trannies. You are throwing stones from a glass house

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>>66500867
t.KRIS THE HOLOSIMP

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>>66503931
Everything he said is an objective fact retard, we know for a fact that the homos have all of those resources wasted on them

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>>66503671
kek, god they're so fucking useless unless they leech.

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>>66504045
they LITERALLY just restricted studio time for EVERYONE because their staff can't keep up. You have no idea what you are talking about.

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>>66504045
Except chuubas have literally said in the past that they were unable to do events or streams because the studio was already being used by a homo

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>>66503707
>why would any self respecting company listen to you
Because my logic is correct. The girls do far superior numbers to the homos so there's no reason to keep the homos employed. The guys are a debuff literally everything they touch. The girls would do a better job in their place every single time. Homo JP and Homo EN are charity cases surviving off the labor of Holo JP, ID, and EN.

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>>66504045
...that's because most or all of it is prerecorded

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>>66504110
You realize even without the Stars, giving everyone two 3D lives would average out to something like a 3D live every 2-3 days right? We had an entire thread discussing this

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>>66504156
irrelevant to the point at hand. the holostars are a waste of resources.

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>>66504145
Which literally wouldn't change if holostars didn't exist.
>>66504131
The only time this has been mentioned, it was pretty much proven the person who complained about that messed up on their end trying to schedule something last minute while everyone else had made their plans months in advance.

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>>66504135
>charity cases surviving off the labor of Holo JP, ID, and EN.
Yes, the random 4chin incel has access to Cover's financials and knows this for a fact.

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>>66504156
Ok so your new cope is
>uhh well the homos do take up studio time, but there are enough 3d streams that you shouldn’t care

This only works if you assume people care about watching every single girl? Which they don’t. I want to watch my oshi have 3d events, which she cannot do as often now, and that is partially due to the homos

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>>66504171
how is that irrelevant. the point is that the strain on management was going to happen even without stars because of the size of the company in general. With like 55 girls to worry about(soon to be over 60 with ReGloss and Advent), this was a problem they were going to have to deal with even without factoring holostars in.

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>>66504194
I don’t care about the semantics, the fact that some 3view no one gives a shit about was taking up the studio so that a 5view people actually watch couldn’t use it is retarded. If a hologirl wants to use the studio, any homos should be kicked to the curb by default. They haven’t earned the right to take up studio time for anyone important

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>>66504273
because they are still spending time and resources on their failed irrelevant side project. that time and those resources would be better spent on hololive, which can actually pay the bills.

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>>66500867
It's their fault for being boring. Hopefully they get rid of them soon.

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>>66500867
it's the fucking opposite, they receive insane level of support for the little fans and revenue they generate.
It's absolutely mind blowing how fmuch of a cocksucking faggot YAGOO is

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>>66504252
Stupid faggot. The point is that it is simply not reasonable or possible, logistically and production-wise, to give 60+ members(even excluding the stars) multiple 3D lives throughout the year. You would likely see this policy even if Holostars didn't exist. Do you understand now that I have broken it down into easily digestible info, you worthless tranny retard?

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>>66504307
If Pekora wants the studio but Roboco has her anniversary, we should cancel her anniversary so Pekora can use it. Roboco isn't as popular, so it'd be better used on her.

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>>66504201
Cover themselves released a financial breakdown of the revenue generated by each branch and the Homostars were hilariously dwarfed by Hololive.

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>>66504358
Why do you keep calling us trannies? The holostars fanbase is composed of at least 80 percent trannies. I’ve said it before and i’ll say it again, you are throwing stones from a glass house

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>>66504342
Seethe harder, tranny. The Stars will outlast your troon ass.

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>>66504358
in that context, do you see how it's insane to give a bunch of 3views that no one likes ANYTHING AT ALL? they should be banned from the studio.

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>>66502013
It is when you consider how much it costs to keep a talent at Cover. It costs high 5 figures a year to maintain each of them, so yeah, ~4k in a big collab with a bunch of them is very low.
If all talents at Cover did those numbers, they would literally have to declare bankruptcy.

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>>66504369
Except hololive fans actually care about roboco and wouldn’t want that for her, meanwhile no one gives a flying fuck about the homos, they can do all their 3d events in vrchat just like all the other 3view vtubers out there

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>>66504396
And you know that the Stars are making a loss how? Do you have the exact costs vs revenue for that entire branch? Lets see it

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>>66504414
>>66504409

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>>66500867
poor Ange...

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>>66504467
There’s a clip of aster (the second most popular homo) admitting that he contributes nothing to cover and that they keep him on “out of love”. If the second most popular homo admits that they are deadweight, then the entire branch is deadweight

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>>66504414
lol lmao
Eventually they are gonna throw FAGOO out of the window and repalce him with Jap, not even 24 hours later all Holostars contracts will be terminated

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>>66504454
>Immediately moves goalposts
No anon, you were arguing for cold hard numbers no? Why should Robowho get the studio if Pekora wants it too? The Stars have fans who would be upset as well but who cares because they're far fewer in number right? Same goes for Robowho. Lets see some consistency now

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>>66500867
>Imagine being hated by most just because you're a guy
I dont need to imagine
t. white straight cis male who uses social medial

[Anonymous No.]

>>66502541
No way this retard is a genuine Starsfag

[Anonymous No.]

Homosisters...

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>>66504533
Astel is a menhera, are you really going to listen to a menhera and act like his word is gospel?

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>>66504534
I bet you jerk it real good to that fantasy of yours, bro

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>>66504007
>>66503642
4k in a year. At this rate, they are going to reach 2022 numbers in like 50 years.
Just kidding, but even at a steady and strong pace of 50% increase each year (which is not gonna happen), it will still take then like 8 years to surpass 200k.

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>>66504540
The difference is that the fanbase actually gives a shit about roboco, unlike the entire branch of holostars. I promise you that if they dissolved the entire branch of holostars, and then roboco graduated the next day, way more people would care about her

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>>66504454
The idea that COVER could just graduate the STARS or ban them from the studio without any backlash (amongst fans, or from casual fans who they clearly care about, or even from talents) is horrifically naive

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504540
keeping the branch healthy keeps viewers engaged in the box. a rising tide lifts all boats, but the holostars aren't part of that box and trying to include them damages it.

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>>66504342
Early on? Not really, I remember back when trinero debuted in 2020 was the very first time most EOP fans realized that there is a male branch of hololive. But it's not like promoting holostars would make them popular, especially after seeing how uproar is doing after almost 4 years.

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>>66504620
You're seeing genuine retardation itt, anon. Like actual 60IQ brain power at work here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504620
oh no! not a bunch of angry tweets! maybe you could boycott the clip channels you watch, kek

[Anonymous No.]

this branch is subsidized by YOUR oshi's supachats anons

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>>66504570
Why would he lie about that? If he was gonna make shit up, why wouldn’t he pretend that holostars is super profitable and that cover is super happy with them?

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>>66504665
nta but the clip channels for the girls get far more views in proportion to their numbers though lmao

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>>66504606
Anon, you're not answering his point, the argument you made was that it wouldn't be feasible to give someone with a lower number access to the studio when someone with a higher number could use it. You aren't making a consistent argument, you're trying to argue why the case using your own logic against you shouldn't count.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504467
Tranny wont post it, it was posted iirc in /#/ before and turns out surprise surprise they are making a profit. They even sold out their meet and greets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504467
Everything the homos do essentially generates a loss because they're living debuffs. You could have the girls do a sponsored stream and generate $10k or have the boys do a sponsored stream and generate $1k. So if you choose to have the boys do it then you've lost out on $9k. See how basic logic works?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504620
Lmao, the entire branch of holostars has less fans then a single hololive girl, maybe their fans would be upset, but in the grand scheme of things, no one would give a shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504007
>>66504604
Lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504704
the counterargument is that the studio events for the highest performers wouldn't be as valuable if they weren't part of the "hololive box". to build that box, you have to support everyone in it. the holostars, however, are not and can never be part of that box.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504704
I am arguing based on the numbers of the branches retard, not based on the numbers of the individuals. Hololive as a whole performs well and holostars as a whole does not, so they shouldn’t let holostars use the studio. Even roboco would get tens of thousands of viewers for a 3d live despite being less popular, solely because she is in hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504414
it some bizarro shit to see fag lovers trying to call others "troons" and "sisters". I know it hard to argue with the other side when you have to steal their jokes but stop projecting, its fucking embarrassing to see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504716
Except it's up to the sponsors to choose who they offer it to? They do it based on popularity but also on who the audience is. If the boys get a sponsor it's not because they took it from the girls. The bae disc leaks showed that they get sponsorships offered as an entire branch and individual members can then choose whether to do the stream or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504818
I promise you that no sponsors have ever chosen the homos over the girls, quit coping

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504818
yeah I bet sponsors are just begging to get the sharts instead of literally any hololive girl. they're probably getting a discount rate if they agree to let the homos earn some, any, income.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504789
you literally never said branches in your original post, just "some 3view" vs "some 5view" so it was just an argument about individuals comparing individuals numbers. You are moving the goalposts because your point was used against you with someone you like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504853
>Source: my ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504875
Source: Common Sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504896
So no source then? I accept your concession

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504874
no sister, that's the whole point. holofans like hololive girls and they want to see them perform. since hololive fans pay the bills, that's what should be prioritized. hololive fans wouldn't like hololive as much if the girls were competing with each other for studio time, but they wouldn't care if the holostars lost out. this is because they don't like the holostars.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504874
It’s funny how you need to argue about the semantics of my wording and not about the actual substance of the discussion. It goes to show just how little room you homofans have to stand on

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504716
By that logic, half of EN and almost all of ID should be barred from using the studio and sponsorships since they arent doing as well as JPs right? Just like you know Niji? Also sponsors get to choose who they want to rep their brand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504606
But it would be far less than the number of people who'd care about Pekora no? Or what about the ID girls? Many of them are literal 3views. Shouldn't they be told to fuck off too then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504620
>The idea that COVER could just graduate the STARS or ban them from the studio without any backlash
Oh no. The backlash from the entire homostars fanbase would amount to... what would it amount to exactly? A fart in the wind? kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504959
you've had this explained to you two or three times now

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504917
Do you genuinly think anyone would choose to be sponsored by a bunch of 3view nobodies rather then the hololive girls who people actually know and love? The only reason I can picture for someone to sponsor them over the girls is if it is heavily discounted. I.E, people would choose to sponsor the boys only if they can’t afford to sponsor the girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504937
Risu tail merch already mogged the whole homo branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504789
The "substance" of the actual discussion is dogshit. Companies cater to various different demographics and groups and offer different products with varied levels of popularity and margins. You have absolutely zero understanding of how businesses work because you are obliviously retarded

[Anonymous No.]

Holostars are Hololive too!
Holo-Lives Matters

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504976
>Still no source
I am loving these fanfics though, anon. Please write more.

>>66504969
The explanation is you literally repeating the same logical inconsistency like the blabbering retard you are

[Anonymous No.]

>>66501340
>Get free shit
>Extreme mode
Holostars don't face what no view streamers face, nor do they face the level of hate holos get, you are really blowing their situation out of proportion, it's very easy to not get the irk of holofanbase, but all of them just suck at doing that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505082
nope, you aren't getting away with that
>hololive is popular because of the group
>the biggest members wouldn't have the appeal they do without it
>holostars aren't part of the group and should get out of the way

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504818
>Except it's up to the sponsors to choose who they offer it to?
So the homos exist as a discount option? el oh el

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505034
When serving a small niche prevents you from better serving the bigger niche that people actually give a shit about, then it is not worth it. For someone who talks about knowing so much about business, you fail to understand opportunity cost. The homos using the 3D studio translates to the girls being unable to use the 3d studio, which would objectively earn way more money

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505082
You… you cannot genuinly think anyone would choose to sponsor the homos and pay the same price that they’d pay for the girls… you’d have to have extensive brain damage to believe that for even a second

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504853
>>66504871
literally 2 months ago, Roberu and only Roberu got officially sponsored by Idolmaster to gush about the Shinymas anime theatrical screening he watched and promote the other screenings.

[Anonymous No.]

You think by now Cover would just get rid of these faggots by now? Would it be bad PR? Yeah but literally only a fraction of people will be pissed and then move on after a month or two, guaranteed

[Anonymous No.]

>>66500867
>It's kinda insane how little support and fans holostars had the first 1-2 years of their existence
They got backlash and then the twitter hair dye addict squad showed up to defend them. How much goodwill were you expecting? To the vast part of the hololive audience that actually pays for their content a holostar is an invading male. When a holostar is doing a collab with one of the girls every joke he tells and every pun he makes actively turns off the paypigs.

The girls actively trying to promote holostars made a mistake. This entire industry exists to please the viewer and the presence of an anime man that can interact with the anime girl is, to them, spitting in their faces. Doesn't matter if there's nothing going on, doesn't matter if he's gay. His presence is not welcome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66504937
>half of EN and almost all of ID should be barred from using the studio and sponsorships since they arent doing as well as JPs right?
Your argument doesn't interest me. I just want the homos gone because they offer nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505122
It's funny how quickly you changed your tune from sperging about cold hard numbers to hololive exclusionism lmao. Doesn't feel good when it happens to people you like huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505014
Uh huh, her average ccv vs HoloJP or her supa or her merch sales? Lower yes? So by OPs logic should cover not instead focus on making more merch for JPs instead of wasting time on Risu which using his logic is a loss of potential profit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505190
And he very likely got paid substantially less then a hololive girl would have been paid to do it. You are actually retarded if you think they would pay him just as much for a third of the viewership

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505158
>Le opportunity cost
Except the policy you're sperging about would've come about anyways considering it would be impossible to do the number of 3D lives you're asking for from 60+ members. Ollie using her 3D takes away from Pekora or Suisei using the studio. If management unironically thought like that, literally only the top 10 of Hololive would get anything at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505312
never said he did, but it is an example of a holostars member getting a sponsorship opportunity that the girls didn't have. showing companies can, and do in some cases sponsor the guys to do something instead of the girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505300
>>66505290
see
>>66505122

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505312
Not all companies may have the budget to sponsor the girls and they may also want to market their products to a specific type of demographic that the boys cater to. This place sperges nonstop about how the Stars and Hololive have fundamentally different audiences. If so, then wouldn't companies have differing preferences between them too as a demographic? This really should not have been so difficult for you to understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505211
>i hate man
The mask comes off finally. Man made everything you are currently enjoying, learn to be grateful. Oh and you will ever be a man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505374
>Ollie using her 3D takes away from Pekora or Suisei using the studio
NTA but Ollie taking 3D time away from Pekora or Suisei would be nowhere near as bad as a homo taking 3D time away from a girl.

[Anonymous No.]

I pray all unicorns and CGDCT faggots who actively anti those they have the choice to ignore die horrible deaths and go to hell

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505374
the studio argument is a dumb thing to even blame the stars on when anyone with a brain could tell you that the real reason this policy needed to be made was likely ReGloss and EN. ReGloss is likely getting their 3D fast tracked and at the same time, EN has been vocal about how hard it is for them to get 3D events, so Cover is changing the policy to guarantee they are allowed to get one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505554
how am I supposed to ignore them if they show up on the official channel, at events, if they pester for collabs, if their fans beg for attention in every community? holostars are constantly being pushed on the hololive audience, even the fans of girls who have explicitly refused to enable them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66501547
Men are different than women, sister
Besides Gura is an extreme example, even loyal chumbuds are getting feed up recently

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505537
Lmao your argument has basically curmbled away into "I-it's still better than giving it to the homos!!!" once we actually started probing your logic a little bit more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505531
I hate the homos for being men in a place where men don't belong, being charity cases subsidized by the girls, and dragging Hololive down with their existence. Us men are great when we aren't pathetic faggots like the homos riding on the coat tails of women. And speaking of women you'll never be a woman btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505700
>troon blabber
Yawn

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505671
>"I-it's still better than giving it to the homos!!!"
Yeah because even Ollie's 3D live would likely generate more revenue than a 3D live from any of the homos. So giving the studio time to Ollie would literally be better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505671
>it's still better than giving it to the homos
>because it builds the holo box
>which the homos aren't part of
hope this helps... for the fourth time...

[Anonymous No.]

What a nice thread. I'm so happy hololivefans exist. They really make the community feel very positive and welcoming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66500867
>joins a cropo that is known for cgdct, because famous brand = quick success, amirite?
>the vast majority of fans that are there for just that, don't like some faggot showing up and potentially ruining their fun
>How come they don't like me?! waaaaah
He should have known what he was getting into, if he didn't then he's too stupid to feel sorry for. Stay in your lane nigga, men aren't welcomed in 2D

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505609
Fan will always want to see their oshis interact, immatured ones will actively pester the talents about it. Thats is why JPs have the rules of not talking about other talents and/or streamers unless they themselves do so. You ENfags seen to forget this collab begging culture was brought in by YOU.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505808
you are invading a community you won't adjust to or support. I'm not sure why you expected to be "welcomed" with "positivity"; possibly it's because you're used to being valued for your hole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505816
>>joins a cropo that is known for cgdct, because famous brand = quick success, amirite?
You dumbass, hololive wasn't known as a CGDCT company when holostars was created. Many of Gen 0, Gen 1, and Gen 2 all did collabs with men by the time holostars existed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505911
oh, so the fans were actually fine with males at that point in time? that's why they welcomed the holostars into the organization, and considered them part of the group. I never knew!

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505797
>>it builds the holobox
Except, once again, they could theoretically give it to Pekora and instantly make more instead of "building the holobox" in the first place. Ollie getting a 3D does nothing for Pekora's brand or any of the top 10s. The uncomfortable logical eventuality of your relentless numberfagging is that unless your oshi is a top 10 Hololive earner, they're just as much of a waste of money as the Stars even if they may be comparatively better. This survival of the fittest strategy, if actually pursued, would destroy the company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505816
The actual description is
>Gets death threats and harrassment from mentally ill schizos who fear he'll virtually cuck them
You're welcome

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505779
>>66505797
Everybody here has figured it out you hate Stars, anon. They're just calling you a faggot for it. If you feeling pressured for it, you can always close the thread and move on with your day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505833
>you are invading a community
says a community that invaded a niche hobby and tries to create rules for everyone else. You're just as awful as mansonites that invaded the goth community.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505959
>Ollie getting a 3D does nothing for Pekora's brand or any of the top 10s
wrong. this has already been explained to you repeatedly. Pekora would not be as strong if she wasn't part of the "hololive group"; part of what makes the "hololive group" strong is the fact that everyone gets support. The fans would not be as supportive of other members if their oshis were competing with them.
The exception to this is the holostars, who are not part of the group. If resources are limited, it's a bad idea to waste them on holostars since they don't build everyone up in the same way.
Five times now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505833
>invading a community
Holostars are a different community. Unless you're claiming the entirety of vtubing for yourself, in which case, kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505959
>This survival of the fittest strategy
Won't happen if Homostars don't exist.
>>66505818
>Fan will always want to see their oshis interact, immatured ones will actively pester the talents about it
Won't happen if Homostars don't exist.
But they do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506019
if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505947
It's a dumb situation, because the shift to fully excluding men was a development that had only just started to happen within hololive when holostars was created. It was genuinely hololive newfags that had been brought in by 3rd gen's debut that created a hostile environment when holostars was created. this same energy didn't exist pre-gen 3, even a girl like aqua could show up in a smash tournament with niji men and have no problems. now if someone pitched that, you'd probably be called an anti trying to destroy her career.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506089
>Holostars are a different community
exactly. that's why they shouldn't be included in hololive content, and shouldn't be using hololive resources.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506094
>now if someone pitched that, you'd probably be called an anti trying to destroy her career.
did hololive incline before or after the change you mention? why do you think people call you an anti for suggesting they return to the previous approach?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66502399
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506032
>you can always close the thread and move on with your day.
I'd rather keep drinking your delicious homosister tears as you try and fail to justify their existence kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506055
>repeats same shitty arguments
I can assure you if Ollie didn't get a 3D, it would make absolutely zilch difference to Pekora's numbers. Their demographics are incredibly different. Idol vs stars collaber. Jp vs ID. Same goes for the entire ID branch that already doesn't get as much support as JP but does that make a lick of a difference to JP? Not really. A stronger JP does not imply a stronger ID at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506094
The shift to excluding men happened because Hololive discovered the recipe for success was excluding men.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66500977
>male vtuber
>not a tranny

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506237
Lets be real here its a combination of ccvid and farming the mentally ill for cash. Which kudos to them it worked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506232
>A stronger JP does not imply a stronger ID at all
ID would be nothing without JP. they are part of the hololive group, and a strong hololive makes them stronger. Look at how popular the PekoMoon minecraft content was; a big healthy box is beneficial to everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506334
So you're saying, JP reaching outside of the JP box and reaching out to sidebranches DOES work? So they should do it with homos too

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506328
>farming the mentally ill for cash.
So have you never given money to vtubers or are you admitting to mental illness?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506415
>So they should do it with homos too
That doesn't work. At all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66500977
I can't comprehend how someone could both watch male Vtuber and not be full pro-troon unless you are falseflagging, and it happen to be a reason to falseflag currently. Aren't I right? nijisister?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506415
>JP reaching outside of the JP box and reaching out to sidebranches DOES work
yes, and homobeggars know this instinctually. that's why they beg.
>So they should do it with homos too
no, homos aren't and cannot be part of hololive. including them fundamentally changes the brand and makes it less appealing to existing fans. it is a selfish request, asking the girls to sacrifice their growth and popularity for some shitter males who never even tried on their own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506334
ID and JP fans have zero overlap dude. Most interactions are confined to esl eigo shit. The bulk of ID fans are not, in the same manner, JP fans and vice versa. And no, a collab doing well tells nothing. My oshi has collabed with fleshstreamers before, which many enjoyed, but nobody gives a shit about the fleshstreamer after the fact. On the contrary, a lot of Hololivefans have found the stars and watched them via collabs such as Astel, Roberu, Vesper etc. The holostars countdown is filled with comments from Hololivefans appreciating the performances.The actual discussion should be on your numberfagging philosophy which, if followed, would legitimately kill the company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506440
Membership and merch yes. We are all mentally ill on some level, why else would anyone wanna come /here/

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506480
This is dumb because we've had multiple instances where it's proven TO work with holostars, but people will act like those don't count. Literally in this last month, Aruran has grown more than he did throughout most of last year and gotten the most live viewers he's ever gotten thanks to VCR and his dynamic with Ririka and Ao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506515
delusional faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506594
we know adding hololive to holostars content makes the holostars stronger. the problem is that it isn't reciprocal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506656
Adding holoJP content to ID content doesn't make JP stronger either. Same for adding JP to EN to a slightly lesser extent, really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506656
Well thinking Moona made Pekora more popular thanks to PekoMoona when it was pretty much entirely benefiting Moona is also just a narrow minded way of viewing Pekora's success.

[Anonymous No.]

>6 out of 7 Pizza dude stream is a collab
>numbers slowly drop
Sure. Inclining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506712
Pre VCR, Aruran's solo SF6 streams got like 400 live viewers, after and during VCR, they were getting over 1000.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506594
That one stream brought more viewers to him than Ao gets on a regular basis. Shows that it's not just Ao's fans who'll follow their oshi anywhere, but lots more people who appreciate their dynamics and shenanigans who came to watch. Was Ao a boost? Undeniably. But that stream wouldn't have done so well without any of Pizza gang

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506682
>Adding holoJP content to ID content doesn't make JP stronger either
wrong. Pekora made lots of content with Moona, and it generated lots of positive buzz on both the JP and ID sides of the aisle.
>>66506709
PekoMoona absolutely made Pekora more popular. It wasn't a critical or even major component of her growth, but it's an example of the "hololive box" appeal.
>>66506790
Again, we know adding hololive to holostars content makes the holostars more popular. The problem is that it doesn't benefit both sides the same way content like PekoMoon did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506594
>This is dumb because we've had multiple instances where it's proven TO work with holostars
lolnope.
>Aruran has grown more than he did throughout most of last year and gotten the most live viewers he's ever gotten thanks to VCR and his dynamic with Ririka and Ao.
And once he stops hanging out on VCR and interacting with Ririka and Ao his numbers will drop off and go back to being what they used to be. Intergender collabs attracting a bunch of useless tourists is nothing new.

[Anonymous No.]

I know OP is a woman because she doesn't know men don't get IRL support simply for existing like women do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66505374
No cover has various things they use 3d studios for, if more 3dslots were available more talents would do 3d content like legend of polka, not to mention cover can record more paid lives and upcoming holoearth concerts in these spots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506190
Sounds more like you are the one crying, dude, with all the appealing and namecalling. Plus, I'm not trying anything here. i'm mostly lurking. I'm just thought you're being a fag and called you one, and you gave me an (you) for it, proving I was right. So, thanks for that, I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506826
It did next to nothing for Pekora's actual regular audience. besides, there's far more examples of JP/ID collabs that failed to do even that. Your initial argument was that Holostars shouldn't get to use the studio because there are other popular streamers that could use it instead and the Stars' popularity does nothing for HoloJP's. Well, the exact same goes for JP and ID.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506945
you're just wrong. ID is part of the box, as demonstrated by content like the minecraft stuff with Pekora and Moona. It's enjoyable for fans of both members, so they both have an interest in seeing the whole box grow.
My argument is that Holostars should be terminated because they can't grow on their own, they contribute nothing to hololive, they take up resources without giving back, and they beg for handouts. This is not similar to JP and ID.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506942
>I'm just thought
>you gave me an (you)
The homosister is an ESL? Who could've seen that coming?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66506826
Pekomoon did nth for Peko, unless you count the IDfags in her chat collabbegging as doing something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66507149
I'm afraid you're wrong about that as well. Pekora gets a boost to CCV when she makes content with Moona because her fans enjoy it. Pekora has recorded multiple songs with Moona, and her fans got to enjoy that content. Having lots of talented, entertaining girls interacting with each other makes the entire hololive experience more enjoyable, and without that "box" Pekora would not be as strong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66507010
You're fucking deluded if you think just because people liked the MC collab Pekora was the one who got a meaningful boost out of it. People will turn up for literally anything if their oshi is in it. They'll literally turn up if their oshi is collabing with a male. Pekora and the JPs get fuck all when it comes to sustained exposure and growth from ID collabs.
And even if we were to discount the above, you are still not understanding that a business will offer different products to different demographics. KFC's fried chicken sells the best but they'll sell burgers too because they want that market presence that, ultimately, establishes them as THE brand for the market and positions them for future growth. You talk about "the box" and it's reputation as being important for Cover. Terminating an entire branch, that has literally been shown to be profitable by the way, would absolutely tarnish the brand. You can argue about how many people would care or not all you want. It's not a step a smart company would ever take. This simple fucking concept should not have been this difficult to understand, Jesus

[Anonymous No.]

>>66507047
Kek. You're really are a fag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66507269
They're talking about her regular average ccvs. Collabs bring in more people always regardless of who they're with. Did collabing with Moona or the other ID girls bring a significant longterm increase to her actual earnings?

[Anonymous No.]

>>66507314
Did being part of the hololive box bring a significant longterm increase to her earnings? Did her earnings grown alongside the growth of the hololive box? The answer to both is "yes".

[Anonymous No.]

>>66500867
Homobeggars are fags

[Anonymous No.]

>>66507384
Yes, and "the box" very much excludes ID by your own standards of not benefitting both parties equally. The ID demographic and experience is as foreign and disconnected from JP as the Stars if not moreso since atleast the Stars have JP speaking fans. You're really not understanding the actual logical core of your own arguments and continuing to sperg on about "the box" without really examining if your own requirements are exclusionary of entire branches and individual girls or not

[Anonymous No.]

>>66507520
>Yes, and "the box" very much excludes ID by your own standards
no
>The ID demographic and experience is as foreign and disconnected from JP as the Stars
wrong
>You're really not understanding the actual logical core of your own arguments and continuing to sperg on about "the box" without really examining if your own requirements are exclusionary of entire branches and individual girls or not
cope. hololive is about cute girls doing cute things together in between idol events. your homos are not part of that, and they can't be without ruining it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66507578
I can assure you Pekora and co. would be doing just as well even if ID was never conceived. But thanks for the concession. I actually thought you were smart enough to have a meaningful debate with over the nature of audiences and their preferences in vtubing but obviously not lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>66500867
The fact that this faggot hogging the studio time, 3D staff that could be used for the girls is really upsetting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66507664
I'm not going to "debate" someone who failed to understand the argument put to them six times in very simple language. I understand that you want the holostars to have equal opportunity, but those opportunities take away from hololive in a way that providing them to lower performing hololive members does not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66502974
Without it being launched basically by female vtubers you wouldn’t have shit. AI was a girl, Siro is a girl, Kaguy Luna was a girl… its one of the few parts of streaming other than sex that is dominated by female streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66507277
>Terminating an entire branch would absolutely tarnish the brand.
Inserting the homos into Holo what tarnished the brand. The core audience wouldn't care, or downright celebrate if the homo branch were to be terminated.
>that has literally been shown to be profitable by the way
KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>66500867
>man treated as a man
Thank god people realized they were cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>66507773
And I've explained why your argument is bullshit at the foundation and falls apart at the seams once you actually start considering the actual nature of audience preferences and spillover effects between branches. But yeah, you've basically plugged in your ears and aren't willing to actually expend any mental labour to make these considerations. Thinking is hard, I get it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>66507879
I thought they were cute from the start tbdesu

[Anonymous No.]

>>66507431
is homobeggar an umbrella term for male vtuber fans or is it for people that collab beg.
>inb4 what's the difference XD

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>>66507664
You should've realized this 2 post ago by how hung up they are with "the holo box", when one can argue HoloSalt also create a box by their logic of a 'holopro box'. Also them thinking CGDCT made hololive popular, it wasnt, it was the memes and banter which is why JP gen 3 was the most popular because they had the best banter.

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>>66508093
it's a term for this place's boogeyman the trannies have conjured up in their quest for perennial self victimization

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>>66502692
>My fellow men
Men always insult each other, even between friends, do a better RP next time, femanon

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>>66500867
I mean: you just go to regular work like milions do every day and treat streaming as a hobby, and if it works then you can focus on it. I don't get this mentality - i understand that you can be sad, but what's with the dramatic tone?

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>>66503707
When the small revenue is the font of 90% of the problems then it's wise to let it go and invest in the big revenue, retard

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>>66508161
Figures, I assumed as much. Kind of how anytime a male vtuber even passes a glance at a fem vtuber they're labelled a sexpest on here

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>>66508222
The difference lies in treating it as a hobby and a passion. Wouldn't you be sad if what you were passionate about didn't bear results at the time and also made you a target for online harrassment? Also he's just talking about it very casually, I don't get where you think the tone is dramatic lol

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>>66508093
When you failed to prove the differences don't blame people for stereotyping.
Fan reflect streamer ect,..

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>>66504540
Because Roboco and Pekora have mutual fans, while holofags and the sisters barely mix themselves, so they're almost an unknown being to each other
You care if you sister was involved in a car accident but you don't give a shit if the cousin of the friend of your aunt gets hit by a car

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>>66508022
Good!
I love miyabi desu

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>>66507773
> but those opportunities take away from hololive in a way that providing them to lower performing hololive members does not.
No, they don't. Hololive is still as strong as ever, regardless if side projects are intrusive or not. It sounds more like you overreacting to Cover trying out new stuff rather than attendig to an supposed urgency.

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>>66505531
So every man that mocks female football hate women?
It's just an inferior product compared with their counterpart, cry about it

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>>66508125
>they had the best banter
Yeah, and a lot of that banter was yuribait.

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>>66505911
>Aqua was the biggest member at that time and she didn't do male collabs
Explain, or are you going to say Aqua is a newfag too when there's like one month different between gen 1 and 2?

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>>66508125
Who the fuck is HoloSalt, I watch hololive since 2019 and never heard of that shit

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>>66508161
>twitter trannies calling other anons trannies
>If we use the word they hurt us with against them, then surely it won't hurt as much!
still cracks me up, never stop seething trannies

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>>66508783
You mythfags are genuinely the worst type of fans

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>>66508647
>reducing it to just yuribait to fit your narrative
If yuribaiting was what made them popular Flare and Noel would be the most popular in their gen but thats not the case , Peko, Marine and Rushia were far more popular because they were funny.

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>>66508897
How about a promisefag instead. Let me tell you this: back in the days StarJP used to be respected. Of course there're always people who hate them, but there're also anons who respected their grind mindset. But then your homoEN came and destroyed all the reputation their senpais built up. Now, holostars as a whole is being treated like cancer, all thanks to your Tempiss faggots, especially the 2 bastards who fucked up everything and then left

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>>66500867
>you're a disgrace if you don't like what i like

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>>66508783
The most hated collab group on /vt/ according to some.Kroni, Mori , Vesper and Magni

>>66508897
Myth wasnt even a thing in 2019

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>>66509219
retard

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This thread is the funniest shit ever, there's like three fans of the homos in total and they're all fighting for their life.

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>>66509319
What? Can't refute it sis? Maybe you should actually support your boys in a meaningful way like, watch their fucking streams, instead of shitposting on fucking 4chan.

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>>66509380
Wow, most stars fans stay away from the smelly cesspool of incel troonshit that is catalog? I wonder why....

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>>66509276
Funniest part about calling it “HoloSALT” was in how absolutely ass-reamed /FAGS/ would become once both the homos involved got ether’d. Despite the supposed acronym and clearly intentional gaff at, say, Kronii’s viewers, the real salt came when the bitchboys fagged out.

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Is yagoo was to get Abed, would the homo shit final end?

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>>66509131
>Not knowing that NoeFure was very popular

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>>66500867
lets hope they all graduate

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>>66502506
Probably a larp but none of us would be here if hololive didn't bring vtubing in the west, stop coping your fags would've been even more irrelevant then they are now if the girls fanbase didn't exist.
>>66503428
The door is right there, leave and don't come back.

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>>66509621
But are they more popular than the other 3?

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It's the female and gay fans job to boost the homos, not mine. Tell the girls to go spend more money, I'm not the target demographic.

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>Audience doesn't want men
>They make this clear
>Company shoehorns in men.
>They don't support the men, just ignoring them essentially.
Blame the fans for this?

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>>66504045
Aqua wasn't able to record a 3dlive for the past 2 years but homos get it every year, reach all you want it doesn't change reality.

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My issue is with yagoo, he keeps fucking shoving men into peoples faces when they are unwanted. This is cruel.
Of course the homos apply when they open a branch for homos.
But that gives the illusion that men are wanted in hololive.

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>>66506094
>It was genuinely hololive newfags that had been brought in by 3rd gen's debut that created a hostile environment when holostars was created
It might surprise you but Sankisei debuted after creation of homos.

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Luxiem made male vtubing relevant.

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>>66509905
>>They don't support the men, just ignoring them essentially.
I wish that's what you faggots did instead of the deluge of hate and harrassment that they were subjected to which eventually contributed to even graduations. Disgusting monkey.

>>66509984
tranny kill yourself

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>>66510193
>tranny kill yourself
You looking in a mirror?

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>>66510302
Nice try yurifag. Unlike you I'm not a disgusting agp that hates my own sex and jerks off to vtubers yuribaiting. You will never be a woman regardless of how many females you watch. I would tell you to kill yourself again but you'll probably be self necked soon enough anyways

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>>66510390
>Anon that hates trannies is on the same side as the trannies but thinks everyone else is a tranny
There's something about this that's incredibly comical.
Like going to NijiEN to watch GFE content.
>You will never be a woman regardless of how many females you watch
Good. I want to fuck women and not be them, and I'm not into cuckholdry so I'd rather not see male chuubas flirting with the chuubas that I watch.

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>>66510390
Yuribait is shit, yuri itself is shit, and lesbians aren’t real. Men other than myself are all fags or competition, and I’ll still never watch a homo.

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what a waste of a thread

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>>66510193
>I wish that's what you faggots did instead of the deluge of hate and harrassment that they were subjected
You can thank the kulturkampf for that. Male vtubers get added to the roster, fans bitch about women wanting to collaborate with men, twitter warriors appear to "defend" the streamers, then lizard chuds appear to fight the twitter warriors. Once things escalate to that point people will just wreak havoc for fun.