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Somehow, Vshojo is now one of the corpos with the least amount of drama attached to their name.

>> No.63506913

Mostly because Niji and Idol went into yab overdrive.
Have to admit that vshojo's hires this year were good.

>> No.63506912

How the tables have turned.

>> No.63507091

Mostly because the jannies delete everything that is too spicy and dramatubers love Vshojo so they defend them in case of emergency

>> No.63507130

>>63506813
Nina and Mysta have severe PTSD from Niji and keep throwing shade at every single opportunity. At some point they'll have a mental breakdown and say something they'll regret.

>> No.63507149

>>63506813
The fan culture in Vshojo is very different, speaking as a former Nijifag. There are not very many gachikoi and a lot of fans have no problem watching men in their spare time. So a lot of things that would be controversial in other corpos go unnoticed here.

>> No.63507275

>>63506813
Tell me when a member get fired for going out like a rock star

>> No.63507299

Where's the money?

>> No.63507356

>>63507091
Show me some deleted VShojo yabs.

>> No.63507437
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>>63506813
This picture is lacking my wife

>> No.63507516

>>63506813
Does it have to do because of nyanners, silver and bae leaving?

>> No.63507533

>>63507437
no one cares about Ligma

>> No.63507634

>>63506813
They've been improving, but still have dead weight.
Axe Hime, Froot, and Nazuna.

>> No.63507854

This a change in their policy that prioritize talent needs but also a specific attention to their mental health. Their CEO offers free mental healthcare to anyone who wants or needs. It's really progressive and works for them. They avoid mass recruitments and are very selective of who they hire.

>> No.63508467

>>63507149
the filth also shuts down every bit of criticism against their whores. It makes sense, the wokies have to watch some vtubers

>> No.63508507

>>63507356
post that froot yab

>> No.63508607

>>63507091
perhaps you should stop posting people's personal information as it is against the rules of this board >1

>> No.63508852

>>63506813
What retard shit are you spouting now?

>> No.63509118

>>63506813
Yea because the twitch audience are twitter fiending betas who enjoy getting cucked by douchebags like connor all day and cry tears of joys when their oshi goes to twitchcon to participate in orgies with other twitch celebs. What drama can their be when you're audience literally only cares that you use proper pronouns when you're cucking them?

>> No.63509236

>>63508607
That reminds me of the nux drama

>> No.63509250

>>63509118
this english is so bad it can't even be called ESL, more likely a mentally handicapped native speaker

>> No.63509271

>>63509118
what kind of ESL projection is this kek

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>>63506813
>still has Froot
until they drop the dead weight, especially for lying about donating to charity, they will always remain verboten

>> No.63509577

>>63509323
Ant it's getting late take your meds wash your bum and go to sleep.

>> No.63509584

>>63509323
Hi ant-hime.

>> No.63509690

>>63509323
ant single handedly invalidated all of the shitty stuff froot did by being one of the biggest autists to ever exist.
You now no longer know if the person complaining about froot is someone with actual complaints, or one of ant-hime's retardeds

>> No.63509807

>>63509690
bullshit it does

>> No.63509881

>>63509807
it does.
This is what being autistic results too ant.

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>>63509584
>>63509577
>if you hate froot you are ant
I don't give a fuck about Ant. Both of them are garbage.

>> No.63510054

>>63509118
Facts

>> No.63510092

>>63507634
The only truly dead weight they have right now is Nazuna. Hime doesn't stream either but at least it's not because she has a second identity she streams on more.

>> No.63510123

>>63509250
>>63509271
Cope

>> No.63510275

>>63507356
how? the jannies deleted them

>> No.63510410

>>63510275
What are archives?

>> No.63510636
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I don't know how the fuck anyone can watch Zen. The delay caused by TTS kills any all interesting scenarios, especially in group collabs where Zen's TTS pipes up to speak two sentences about a topic that everyone else already moved on from.

>> No.63511106

>>63510636
Zen funny
Zen cute
Zen troll
Simple as.

>> No.63511173

>>63510636
k

>> No.63511389

>>63507149
>>63507130
none of you are nijifags. you are nijienfags at best
none of you ever watched a jp stream, thats the actual nijisanji, which just had one of its best years in 2023

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>>63510123

>> No.63511550

>>63511389
go fuck yourself with your nijijp cope your retard. EN and ID are dying, your company is a dumbster fire KEK

>> No.63511695

>>63511389
They terminated their funniest member because she said (correctly) that baseball is stupid and the pitcher should just bean the batters in the head.

>> No.63511838

>>63508607
Is it a personal information if the person themselves post it on their twitter and still there to this day?

>> No.63511879

>>63511838
If it's from before their time as a vtuber and involves their personal life, yes.

>> No.63511938

>>63511550
what cope, retard? i only watch JP. Those branches could die all i want, what maintains nijisnaji is nijisanji itself, faggot
>>63511695
Their "funniest member" that literally 99% of the audience hated for years and didnt care when she graduated or was suspended

>> No.63511956

>>63511389
/vt/ is an EN board, why are you shocked people equate companies with their EN shit alone?

>> No.63511991

>>63511938
nijiseethe KEK

>> No.63512072
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>>63511550
what cope? thats the reality. anycolor is nijijp, the numbers dont lie

>> No.63512136

>>63511991
oh no, the main branch of a japanese company is a jp branch instead of a en side branch, the horrors

>> No.63512260

>>63512072
>pull graphic
>look my numbers
>en and id branch failing for pure incompetence
The classic niji cope

>> No.63512348

>the finest collection of cancelled vtubers
>Fleshtubers
>Literal porntuber
>Still can't outyab nijisanji
Nijisanji...I kneel......

>> No.63512362

>>63512072
>nijifag cares more for revenue numbers of his favourite corpo then the livelihood of their own members
classic

>> No.63512365

>>63511938
>99% of nijinigs coped and seethed for years
We know. They still do.

>> No.63512482

>>63511389
I didn't even shit on the company, come off it you defensive retard.

>> No.63514182

>>63512260
>>63512362
>>63512365
>>63512482
i dont care if you shit in the company or not, showing numbers is to just show how JP is doing and its doing great
you eops of course dont know shit that happened this year
also lmao at the id shit when that branch died last year and is purposely not given anything because its dead.
>muh members
I only care about Jp members, have you not seen? most members in jp are in there for like 5 to 3 years

>> No.63514244

what is this weird propaganda?
Ironically Idol still has less drama shit going on than vshojo, especially this year with the nux shit and then everyone leaving
Honestly even phase had less drama this year. they had one termination which almost no one remembers

>> No.63514291
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>>63514182
>i don't care
>pulls graphic
>writes an essay
LMAO

>> No.63514406

>>63514182
>i only care about Jp members
>i don't care if you shit in the company or not
holy autism

>> No.63514505

>>63511389
This is such sad cope. How many of your favorite vtubers need to be fired because of a baseball joke before you stop sucking off riku?

>> No.63514546

>>63514291
I don't understand it. Is he some /jp/ nijifag that has never seen a /vt/ catalog thread before?

>> No.63514923

>>63514546
new cope. They are using it since early this morning. Someone posted a clip of matara laughing when she saw nijisanji indicated as "best vtuber agency" and this retard is coping since then saying " jp is good".

>> No.63515012

>>63514244
>phase termination
Phase talents have basically said, it was bad enough it would ruin your idea of the fired talent.

>> No.63515098

>>63515012
didn't phase stole the IP of one girl when they terminated her?

>> No.63515178

>>63515012
yeah but overall no drama really came from it?
yuri still streams as so no view indie and everyone forgot

>> No.63516239

>>63515098
she gave the IP in order to get a new model - this did not happen with lemon whore because fans funded her model

>> No.63516269

>>63514923
new cope lmao literally no one else is saying that shit you eop retard
ive been in this shit for years and i mainly use /2434/. i only came here because i looked into the catalog and saw this thread

>> No.63516492

>vshojo fans don't really care who their chuubas interact with
>they have complete control over the appearance of their vtuber models and can modify it however they wish
>no perms autism
>they don't have to make or follow schedules if they don't feel like it
>management seems very willing to help them with any projects
>can literally flesh stream if they feel like it
>can leave with their IP if they feel like Vshojo isn't a good fit for them
>no collab bans on former members, they can still talk about each other and collab if they want
At the moment there doesn't seem be any real reason for drama. Even Nazuna soft graduating hasn't really made any waves.

>> No.63516797

>>63516492
members quit literally a few months ago lol

>> No.63517275

>>63516797
>a few
More like... 8
And the only reason it was a big deal is because
1) it was the first time
2) tribalfag vultures swarmed trying to spell VShojo's doom
3) Silver had to be a catty bitch on the way out (the only part that is actually drama)

In reality, talents leaving VShojo is just business. One of the highlights of the company is that they can freely leave if it no longer works for them, no strings attached. We just weren't expecting anyone to actually go.

>> No.63517279

>>63514244
>this year with the nux shit
That was last year retard
>then everyone leaving
The ones that left were 3 out of the 4 biggest dramawhores in vshojo and the main source of their yabs. The additional members they picked up this year far outweighs those 3 leaving.

>> No.63517291

>>63509929
>coming home from military
Yea, sure, because it counts as "cheating" when you move out from someone, cut ties with them and hook up with someone else half a year later

>> No.63517424

>>63516797
Three members quit because they wanted more from their contracts and were quickly replaced by much better and well liked vtubers.

>> No.63517649

>>63506813
>their 2 most drama-hungry talents leave
>company improves
Trully a misterty.

>> No.63517697

>>63506813
>the least amount of drama
No one just doesn't care about them.
Remember the CCV of last Kson concert.

>> No.63517760

>>63516797
Their contract ended and didn't renew with the agency, it's really different from quitting or being terminated. Two had better offers Vshojo couldn't compete against ( their bfs lit are ceo of a competitor streaming org) and one quit on good terms for personal reasons. It was like a wake up call for the agency though, girls had better contracts after that.

>> No.63517762

>>63517275
>>63517279
>>63517424
yeah you run this defense force but it was a pretty damn big deal and talked about a lot
also are we ignoring the whole harry potter shit? lol

like I don't hate vshojo agree they get a lot of shit from dumb seafags who hate everything about the west but I just fundamentally think they need another year of no drama before they can claim that. also my b u are right on the nux shit

>> No.63517858

>>63517760
>good terms
>Silvervale

>> No.63518042

>>63517858
>one quit on good terms
>Nyanners

>> No.63518061

>>63517858
He's referring to Nyan dumbass

>> No.63518231

>>63518042
>>63518061
I sincerely was unaware Silver had a boyfriend

>> No.63518298

>>63518231
They're talking about Asmon
It's just a rrat and honestly the evidence fizzled out months ago

>> No.63519027

>>63517279
>last year
It was actually 2021. That's how far back you have to go lol.

>> No.63519464

>>63517697
>CCV
I remember vshojo's fanbase is on twich not youtube, so they don't resort to the "none of you girls can stream to concentrate as many viewers on that stream" trick, she did the opposite and gave permission for anyone to make a mirror stream of the concert.
https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/総長2周年ミラー中
I remember

>> No.63519758

>>63507091
This. You literally get a 3 day ban for posting "where's the money froot". Imagine needing a reddit account to discuss vshojo yabs because of a vshojo jannie running damage control on this board 24/7.

>> No.63520085

>>63518298
Not asmon, is kektone

>> No.63520258

>>63520085
Massively outdated rrat

>> No.63520279

>>63519464
They also encourage people to mirror stream their new member debuts. Has led to some funny moments like https://twitter.com/MAMETCHl/status/1599216690826735616

>> No.63520329

>>63506813
for something to be reported, it has to be newsworthy

vshojo drama is the norm, it is not newsworthy

>> No.63520433

>>63507634
Froot streamed literally a couple hours ago.

>> No.63520605

>>63520329
ok reddit spacing zhang now go back to your mountain

>> No.63520725

>>63506813
Just wait for the NDA to be over kek

>> No.63520841

>>63520329
99% of the stuff this board considers "drama" about VShojo is stuff that nobody else cares about

>> No.63521505

>>63510636
it adds a unique type of comedy to the experience. I wish she would just do a normal voice sometimes but the robot voice grew on me.

>> No.63521822

>>63520433
it's just ant going schizo over froot success...

>> No.63522225

>>63519027
even the image op used is outdated, that's how you know it's a classic catalognigga

>> No.63526657

>>63506813
>veibae
>silvervale
>froot
>nyanners
Do you really?

>> No.63526742

>>63526657
3 of those left the company 6 months ago where have you been anon

>> No.63526759

>>63526657
3/4 aren't with Vshojo anymore
>inb4 Froot is still there so it doesn't matter

>> No.63527178

>>63526742
>>63526759
6 months ago isnt that long ago, and them leaving is the drama I was refering to

>> No.63527395

>>63527178
>6 months ago isnt that long ago
In this industry it's quite a long time. Especially being as young as it is.

>> No.63527753

>>63527395
Buddy we are still talking about ALL OUT WAR LMAO and it's almost two years since it happened. Six months might as well be yesterday

>> No.63527838

>>63506813
The only one with rrats worth talking about is Froot, if you're such a pathetic infant that you can't get over drama that happened ten years ago... and didn't even involve you.

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There's an extremely rare eight member collab going on right now.
https://www.twitch.tv/geega

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>>63526657
I just wonder if the 3 leaving was some sort of wake up call. Cause going from a collab here and there if at all to collabs up the wazoo is such a stark change. I still watch all of them regardless if they in the group or not but still

>> No.63529473

>>63506813
95% of the drama came from Veibae and Silvervale

>> No.63530844

Why doesn't KSon stream on twitch anymore?

>> No.63530899

>>63527753
Yeah and people still talking about that are mentally unwell and shouldn't be taken seriously.

>> No.63531000

>>63530899
Aww is the nijinig still angry that his sins aren't forgotten?

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>>63531000
Yeah, see? People that still care about this are incredibly mentally unwell. Calling this shit a sin is unbelievably cringe. PS I'm not a Nijifag.

>> No.63531780

>>63530844
Same reason why Henya doesn't stream on Youtube anymore, she just likes the platform more.

>> No.63532178

>>63531188
The nijifag doth protest too much methinks

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>>63532178
I'm afraid your stupidity is terminal

>> No.63533020

>>63514244
>even idol still has less drama
...You know idol is currently going through one of the worst graduation yabs this board has ever seen, right?

>> No.63533063

When do you think Zentreya would vibrant on the yaefh feshe man telodwww es eryh bot

>> No.63533177

>>63506813
Most of the controversial members peaced out

>> No.63533188

is vwhoreniggers the most delusional fanbase in the vtubing industry?

>> No.63533225

So, Geega's gonna watch Gay Porn with Jabroni Mike tomorrow.

>> No.63533265

>>63506813
Leeching from hololive again I see

>> No.63533614

>>63529473
What drama did Silvervale ever cause?

>> No.63533710

>>63530844
YouTube has always been her main platform. Even over there output has been low because she's been super busy with other things.

>> No.63534090

>>63533614
Wasn't there some article/interview that caused a stir for a bit? Otherwise the only one I could see is like the Hogwarts Legacy shit plus the aftermath of her leaving with her being a little catty on the way out. Or maybe when she snapped back at a chatter for bringing Mouse up but idk if that counts.

>> No.63534206

>>63533614
Silver and veibae threw shade and shittalked hololive a few years ago. Is literally the reason why holofags have beef with vshojofags to begin with.

>> No.63535415

>>63534206
Silver never said anything about Hololive and Vei only did it before she joined VShojo.

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Henya hasn't said a single negative word about her old workplace, and even recalled stories about her old friends. Just saying, nijisisters.

>> No.63535831

>>63506813
Probably because their largest detractor is a Chicom Piglet that panders to the biggest faggots on planet earth. She singlehandedly made posting about Vshojo drama (or potential Vshojo drama) cringe, so no one cares anymore.

>> No.63536502

>>63533614
There was only the 3 times she dealt with drama/feud.
>Hogwarts Legacy
>That one time she went off in a crosschatter.
>Article
That's it, Veibae was the Kiara stuff, some other shittalking of other vtubers.

>> No.63536575

>>63536502
I forgot about the article. That ended up being the author's fault, though.

>> No.63537787

>>63533614
Ended up causing a dude to have a meltdown so bad he went bankrupt and started attacking basically everyone related to her for about 2 years.
>>63534206
Holofags have beef with everyone, they're still mad that this board was created because none of them could find in with /jp/ culture. They're basically the closest gays of /vt/ .

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>>63509577
>>63509584
>>63509690
i know about the cheating whore drama but who the fuck is ant
someone hit me up with the gossip

>> No.63537999

>>63537849
Some dramatuber that got weirdly obsessed with Froot using information gather from fucking websites such as this one, and forums. Her original "plan" was to expose the VShojo girls with again, no new information, but with Froot she hooked a bait and has been pretty much obsessed with it, unironically ruining it for shitters, because she's just so fucking cringe with it. How fucking low do you have to be to "troll" Froot's mother and get hooked on it and make a video about her getting you banned lmao

>> No.63538048

how old is the company?
3 "graudations"
1 because the "company" or agency didnt want to tell schizos off for wizard game
1 because "talent freedom" doesnt count for everyone. Dont say autism or you get bullied
1 for.... I dunno I guess nyanners just left because it was just a shit company
this company has also achieved 0 things for the talents. No wait there are 2 pop up parade figurines for VEI and NYANNERS, who are not part of the company lmao
unless you suck mousies toes, you will be treated as a weird cousin (veibae)
just picks up established talent to generate fake numbers instead of giving new ones a chance
Everyone in vshitshow would be better off without it

>> No.63538054

>>63537849
Ant is some schizo 2view that's been on a crusade against Froot for the longest time. Any points they might have went out the window when they started posting doxx of various VTubers, being racist, and getting their Discord nuked for CP.

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>>63532870
What's the matter? Isn't this what you wanted?

>> No.63538108

>>63506813
You are joking right

>> No.63538119

>>63537999
>>63538054
Is she the one that came up with the cheating stuff? So it's not canon?
> being racist
feels weird for people to take a problem with this in 4chan of all places

>> No.63538154

>>63533188
Because they live in thier own bubble which constantly feeds them bullshit about how well vshojos is doing so whenever they wander out into the wider world they seem like absolute delusional retards

>> No.63538244

>>63538119
No, the story is still real at some points, most has been alterated due to how fucking old it actually is. Like, I'm shocked some people actually thought it happened during her time as Froot. The issue is that again, Ant is using words from other people's "digging" she really does not add anything new and it's practically a nothingburger at this point, no one that's not just actively trying to shit on her cares, like with most drama.
As for the racist shit, well yeah from our standard, ain't new nigga, but from public side? That's another tale.

>> No.63538269

>>63517291
Hi froot

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>>63538099
Alright anon let me give you a crash course in how Twitch works. Do you see the bottom right of the screen where it says 238.7k? Those are called channel points. When you watch a streamer on Twitch you get 50 of those every 5 minutes watched. Having 238,700 means that I've watched almost 400 hours of Geega alone, who's in VShojo.

Now check out how many I've got for Zentreya. Now let me repeat myself. Anyone still talking about "all out war" is unfathomably retarded and should be put down.

>> No.63539212

>>63538119
The issue is that she's trying to make it blow up, and just like how you wouldn't trust the words that come out of a homeless guy with a cardboard sign, but you would totally trust the same words if it came out of a fire fighter's mouth, the fact that ant is the one saying it gives it a negative chance of blowing up amongst normies.

>> No.63540221

>>63538154
You're the one talking to yourself love

>> No.63540383

>>63540221
Do vshitfags really?

>> No.63540551

>>63538119
>feels weird for people to take a problem with this in 4chan of all places
It wasn't 4chan that cared. The bitch wanted to use YT and Twitter to attack her and YT and Twitter did not care for the racism. 4chan just doesn't like her because she's another SEAfaggot who is now hooking up with BVT and another SEAfaggot.

>> No.63540678

>>63540383
Holofags really, apparently.

>> No.63540787

>>63538394
>look at my channel points
this has to be bait.What fucking stupid point were you trying to make.
Drama will alwasy exist becasue you niggers are just being buffons who dont learn to not replay.

>> No.63540824

>>63538394
>look at my channel points
this is even worse than the fag that bragged about 600 euros

>> No.63540943

>>63538394
>this retard keeps falling for the most obvious catalog-tier bait
And this is why /vsj+/ is never gonna stop being a endless shitstorm

>> No.63541015

>>63506813
What do you mean "somehow"? Aside from shitty auditions and the Nux situation Vshojo didn't have any drama going on.

>> No.63541069

>>63541015
howarts,froot, nux, auditions, and 3 talent leaving at the same time are drama. You may not like it but they were.

>> No.63541225

>>63541069
bvtm kiwifarms phasetards chimping out about some froot fanfiction in their echo chambers is not drama
nonbinary purple skinned 2views seething that haruka won the auditions is not drama

>> No.63541293

>>63541069
>howarts
Trannies attacking Silver is not Vshojo's fault
>froot
Literally did nothing wrong (while she have been in Vshojo)
>3 talent leaving at the same time
Arguably. They left on their own accord, they weren't fired.

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UHH HOLOCHADS?

>> No.63541342

>>63541293
>It's not drama, it's not drama, I angrily protest as I slowly turn in to a teacup

>> No.63541392

>>63541069
>3 talent leaving at the same time
They left to join Asmongold's club

>> No.63541488

How about that iron mouse is unwilling to be public about something she was public about 6-7 years ago. Even though I think the lefties and her cuck audience would celebrate her as being a strong and independent woman? Or will the mods ban me?

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>>63541342
Is this some sort of Indian or SEA national saying I don't get?

>> No.63541525
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His meltdowns are fun to watch every single time

>> No.63541560
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>>63510275
>how? the jannies deleted them

Shut the fuck up you retarded idiot. Every single one of Mouse/Froots yabs are all related to their personal life and has nothing to do with their avatar, vtubing, or the company. This is not a dox board but a vtubing board. Keep it on topic and jannies won't touch you since they do their jobs dutifully.

And guess what? There are not real vtuber related yabs with vshoujo nowadays.

>> No.63541589

>>63541560
She disclosed the information as iron mouse

>> No.63541627

>>63541488
You should be anyway for being an obnoxious faggot. Everybody knows what you're talking about and just like the "Froot drama" nobody cares but you handful of dipshits on /vt/ who seethe about unimportant tabloid garbage.

>> No.63541691

>>63541627
I see no problem with her being that but I see for some reason it bothers you even though in any other profession it would be a problem

>> No.63541698

>>63541589
Sounds like you're more pissed at 4chan than VShojo. Whiny bitches are so unsexy.

>> No.63541736

>>63506813
Are you telling me that the niji poaching, twitter warrior worshiping, friend abandoning, flesh streaming, trans kid funding "v""shojo" has the least drama? Yeah I doubt that.

>> No.63541753

>>63541691
>bothers you
No, you bother me you blithering idiot. I don't care about the sekrut d0xx you think is so important or damning.

>> No.63541759

>>63541698
Why does it matter if she is that and it's public knowledge it will not affect what she does on stream anyways

>> No.63541788

>>63541560
>it's not a vshojo yab, its a personal yab
Do vshitfags really

>> No.63541793

>>63541736
Wow, you just basically pointed out shit only /vt/ rrats about. Congrats for proving OPs point.

>> No.63541843

>>63541759
You don't have the brain power to imagine on your own why she doesn't want that discussed? Not at all?

>> No.63541860

>>63541753
So if you don't care you wouldn't mind saying for the class?

>> No.63541889

>>63541860
Oh yeah sure here we go you're a faggot .

>> No.63541919

>>63541843
Her audience already ships her with Connor I can't imagine why this would matter and I bet every vtuber news channels would cover her positively over it

>> No.63541940

>>63541793
What part of that post is a rrat

>> No.63541946

>>63541889
Ah man is that the best insult you got? My feelings were almost hurt

>> No.63541996

>>63541919
You dodged the question.

>> No.63541998

>>63506813
Bad bait.
Vshojo has plenty of drama, /vt/ is a hugbox where drama posts get banned. The only corpos that have little to no drama are 2view business lol.

>> No.63542000

>>63541589
Still is personal family information. Not vtuber related.

>> No.63542027

>>63541946
You got the effort you deserve.

>>63541940
Ever error

>> No.63542044

>>63542000
In what way is that information family business only?

>> No.63542075

>>63541919
They will never admit that they are dating because at that point it stops being a "will they won't they" sort of thing and it would be confirmed, then the shippers will leave because they are bored now that they have nothing to ship, and the people who delude themselves into thinking they have a shot at being with her will also leave. It happens in tv shows and shit all the time, two characters finally get together and then the show just sputters until it dies.

>> No.63542111

>>63541589
And then deleted them. Because they were personal and were not meant for her suddenly grown in numbers audience.
If she wishes to keep it private then its against the rules to post it.

>> No.63542126

Man someone thinks he's clever.

>> No.63542158

>>63542075
I didn't know vshojo had an inkling of unicorns left

>> No.63542253

>>63542158
If a woman breathes she will have some men being deluded enough to think they have a chance. Hell even if they openly stated it I'm sure there would be a couple people hoping they still could.

>> No.63542268

>>63542111
Was she held up gun point was she being threatened, did the Taliban have her loved ones hostage?

No....

So she gave out that public disclosure of information and expected on the forever platform known as the internet that it would never spread?

>> No.63542274

>>63541788
"person had a life before becoming a vtuber" is not a yab

>> No.63542316

>>63542158
Unicorns are beyond unlikely to be that many. Shippers are, though. And you have to string those along, I guess.

>> No.63542320

>>63542274
Ok so is it a big deal or not a big deal to talk about it? She brought it up no one forced her

>> No.63542351

>>63542268
She was under the influence while making this tweet, yes.

>> No.63542354

>>63542316
We live in a modern society people are accepting I think everyone would understand

>> No.63542392

>>63542354
You realize this is the board where people lose their minds if a woman has a male voice on stream?

>> No.63542393

>>63542158
they don't
well mouse definitely doesn't at least
maybe some obsessed nazutards if she still counts as vshojo
>>63542320
all it is, is against the rules of vt
go talk about it on some other site or campaign for new rules

>> No.63542476

>>63542392
Iron mouse has Connor on all the time why is this any different

>> No.63542499

>>63542320
Even if someone were to post their living address on twitter it would not be allowed here since its personal information.

>> No.63542560

>>63541297
I hope the figure will have cute panties.

>> No.63542578

>>63542499
She never said something like that where releasing such information would immediately endanger herself or others. This information only matters by everything I've seen that has been brought up to her financial situation.

>> No.63542815

>>63541998
Vshokeks are coping by saying that personal talent drama is not vshojo drama so technically vshojo has no drama >>63542000

>> No.63542895

>>63542560
Costco pantsu only dayo.

>> No.63542963

>>63542815
read this pippaflip >>1

>> No.63542966

She said something personal in the public so it is fair game. Like if you say you like to watch men fuck your wife in front of a public auditorium with people asking you lose the right to have that information private

>> No.63543118

>>63542966
you have a weird fetish

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>>63542963
Funny you mention Pippa

>> No.63543187

>>63543118
I thought if I used that example I could relate to vshojo fans what is a better example?

>> No.63543350

>>63506813
Fucking your fans is allowed in Vshojo, so they're not as vulnerable.

>> No.63543494

>>63543184
her fans are still niggers who are 99% of froot and kson antis

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>>63538394
>he didn't spent them to scare Zen when you could summon jumpscare monsters

>> No.63546261

>>63542963
i find funny how jannies let many froot threads go on with everyone talking about her IRL, damn even here they are talking about it and no one is getting banned but try and post a pic of kson irl stream and watch how fast they delete it.

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>>63541342
>as I slowly turn in to a teacup
Is this like, one of those weird deviantART fetishes

>> No.63546661

>>63507516
Ding! Ding! You win the thread. This is the reason.

>> No.63546727

>>63542578
>something like that where releasing such information would immediately endanger herself or others
Yeah almost like Mouse has a fuckload of insane people online who are fiending for anything and everything they can use to hurt her
Crazy that she keeps certain parts of her life under wraps, a real mystery why she'd feel that way

>> No.63546917

>>63546727
She once had to call the police because some crazy dude sent her a dead bird. He found her with all this crazy level of paranoia she have imagine if she wasn't paranoid

>> No.63546942

>>63535489
I'm not sure Henya has ever said a single negative word about anything :3

>> No.63547152

>>63546917
>She once had to call the police because some crazy dude sent her a dead bird
What

>> No.63547173

>>63506813
A shame about their fanbase though.

>> No.63549481

>>63547152
welcome to the magic world of "celebrities", there's always a non-ironically mentally ill fan

>> No.63550397

>>63519464
wtf are you talking about, kson's viewcount was abysmal compared to last year, this has nothing to do with not having vshojo's fanbase on yt

>> No.63553292

>>63550397
>wtf are you talking about,
Read the complete conversation

>> No.63555179

>>63506813

>> No.63555306

>>63506813
They got rid off the worst yab machines and hired actually respectable talent like Henya. At the same time some of the other corpos went full retard.

>> No.63555308

>>63507130
What's niji going to do? Sue them for defamation? Hahahahahah

>> No.63555478

>>63511879
But it wasn't before her time as a vtuber she was a vtuber when she made the tweets and did the interview.

>> No.63555479

>>63510092
I think Hime just outright has admitted she likes that her streams turn out to be "events" in nature. They hired Matara specifically to give the hag-voice lovers something in-between it seems like. Honestly kind of smart if they did.

>> No.63555580

>>63507437
It's crazy how little presence she has on this board.

>> No.63555662

>>63541225
>froot asslickers claim it's fanfiction and that if you hate froot you support ant hime
fuck off, braindead cunt

>> No.63555716

>>63538394
obviously you have a point farmer so how many years did you watch them for?

>> No.63556192

>>63555580
It's a good thing. The less people on /vt/ outside of /vsj+/ care about her the better.
Also she doesn't have any yabs, past or present, to shitpost about, and no controversial takes so there's no reason for the catalog to talk about her.

>> No.63556762

>>63516492
>Are you sure about that?
>That's cool, but it's clear they aren't going for the group feel.
>That's more a local laws thing and you know it.
>Schedules in other corpos exist because they have a shitton of things to do, from training to events.
>Management is probably too much of a yesmen, but aside from that,they dont seem too bad.
>How is that they can flesh stream a good thing? That's bullshit and a loss for a vtuber fan.
>Vshojo isn't taking nobodies and propping them up, they are only taking people already known, so this has no merit...it's kinda a given.
>We will see if this is the same after they have some big-ass yab.
>Nazuna at this point is known as a self-sabotaging timebomb that hurts herself the most of anyone else.

>> No.63561694

>>63509690
...there was already a fuckton of culture warriors attacking froot for not wanting trans people to publicly decapitate themselves in shame, how is this any different?

>> No.63561788

>>63556762
>Are you sure about that?
VShojo doesn't shit the board going ballistic if a male in their own org looks at one of the girls, so yes.
>That's cool, but it's clear they aren't going for the group feel.
They wouldn't have had a concert if they didn't want to be viewed as a unit.
>That's more a local laws thing and you know it.
What about mods? I know Niji requires perms for mods and I can't recall any modded games Hololive's streamed either Minecraft shaders are not a mod btw
>Schedules in other corpos exist because they have a shitton of things to do, from training to events.
VShojo has these too
>How is that they can flesh stream a good thing? That's bullshit and a loss for a vtuber fan.
It's a good thing if you're not some kind of weird schizo purist. They also don't require gloves for handcam streams.
>Vshojo isn't taking nobodies and propping them up, they are only taking people already known, so this has no merit...it's kinda a given.
It absolutely does have merit. A common recurring theme among Matara since debut was feeling trapped in her old workplace because she was given a shitload more popularity for absolutely nothing. A big company takes a small time streamer and makes them big through association with their brand, and psychologically that can make them feel like they owe all their fame to the brand and they'll fail without it. That's also what keeps some of them in obviously unhappy work situations. The fear of failure from leaving. Being able to continue being Kson, or Henya, or Matara, or Kuro even if they decide to leave is a huge plus since any money they've poured into their own brand wouldn't have been wasted.
>We will see if this is the same after they have some big-ass yab.
VShojo would probably only care if a talent does something severe enough that it would tarnish the brand (using the current drama as an example, like if one of them fucked a manager) This is also proof of how little the /vt/-tier yabs actually matter since nobody's ever been forced out of the group for any of them.

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>near singlehandedly turned around a struggling Vshojo into a cohesive unit with better chemistry than ever
Kneel dayo

>> No.63563441

>>63506913
what did idol do

>> No.63563450

>>63521505
>She

>> No.63563544

>>63563441
One of their talents wanted to bang her fans as a premium thing. Also took painkillers as a paid reward or some shit.

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>>63563450

>> No.63563671

>>63563544
I kinda expected it to be yuko ngl

>> No.63564005

>>63563544
Also fucked her manager.

>> No.63564185

>>63563450
I don't care what's in zens pants, it's going in my mouth

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Henya turned Zen from an annoying shit to a big sister figure in mere months

>> No.63566681

>>63541560
>Froots yabs are all related to their personal life
charitytimeloop.jpg

>> No.63568107

>>63566681
??? Her money? Somehow the monkeys in this board start a rrat that she did subathon or event to make the money but she never did it. She said she would donate her money and when the charity turned out to be a shit show she never spoke of it again.

>> No.63568563

Only because clip watchers don't shit about Vshojo, a handful of them talked about overly sexual content starting out so the monkeys instantly went HAHA CUM DICK THATS ALL VSHOJO IS.
Then again, most of the apes don't understand that Vshojo is a corpo in a very loose sense of the word, it could dissolve tomorrow and fuck all would happen, they'd just go back to streaming as indies, even the ones with models that shojo paid for belong to them.

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>>63506813
They're also one of the most watched EN corpos

>> No.63569511

>>63506813
vshojo has a shit ton of drama, they just send threatening emails to 4chan staff to aggressively moderate them

>> No.63569627

>>63569326
Turns out tapping into general streaming culture and showing that VTubers can be "just like other streamers" can work just as well as sticking to an idol culture bubble and gatekeeping.

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Actually, has Hololive had any yabs this year? All I can think of is Gura not streaming that much.

>> No.63570501

>>63570275
I think Ame is also shaky on stream schedule. Otherwise Holostars has yabs, but only if you count Stars as Hololive.

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>>63570275
apart from 2 tempus graduations most of their "yabs" are just this board shitting their diapers for acknowledging the existence of men, hell most vt "yabs" are just cataloggers getting triggered over literal nothing burgers

>> No.63570695

>>63570275
Nothing that would count as a yab in VShojo but there was Holizontal, "respect my collab choices" and other male collab stuff. Unicorns for Mel (Yozora) are pissed right now.

>> No.63570869

>>63506813
Because the two members starting all the drama left.

>> No.63571911

>>63569511
Name one instance of drama that happened in the last 6 months after Vei, Silver and Nyan left Vshojo

>> No.63573199

>>63506913
idol is fine

>> No.63573503

>>63573199
Idol, the company, seems to be fine, yeah. As a VShojo fan, I won't judge a company for the actions of a talent who left.

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>>63570695
>"respect my collab choices"
>doesn't actually collab with anyone outside of her own gen 99% of the time
based shiori....not that it matters to vshojo ball lickers since she hates that company and avoided it like the plague after one collab with them as her PL

>> No.63575328

>>63506913
>Idol
you mean EIEN with Riifu and the chair yab

>> No.63575407

>>63570695
>Nothing that would count as a yab in VShojo
Really because the whole hogwarts and them losing 3 people due to shitty contracts was this year anon

>> No.63575462

>>63575291
>one collab
lol

>> No.63575561

>>63575462
okay it was two but whatever she avoided them afterwards and wasn't a fan of them

Why do you think ironlung never tweeted at her? She usually interacts with a lot of holos.

>> No.63575593

>>63575561
>Two
She was a part of their friend group and is in multiple pieces of fanart of them from that era. Mouse even has her in her VShojo debut art

>> No.63575599

>>63575407
Anon it was 8 months ago and they were replaced for better people ALSO the hp drama was all fault of the retard that left, she was warned to not stream the game and streamed anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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>>63575593
ah yes the twitch group that was made a few days before vshitshow launched

>> No.63575684

>>63575599
>Anon it was 8 months ago
and the original premise was yabs this year anon

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>>63575654
fixed version

>> No.63575769

>>63575599
Im surprised she got harassed since kson bragged about vshojo having measures in place so that they wont experience getting harassed

>> No.63575786

>>63575684
you consider yab 3 people leaving the company by themselves? They were not fired, there was no drama, they are still streaming like normal and like i said henya alone is worth the 3

>> No.63575841

>>63575291
What's the point of starting beef with Vshojofans, novelite? We're some of the only people on this board who don't shit all over her. Try not burning every bridge you have left.

>> No.63575844

>>63575769
Most of her haters were in twitter and reddit, to this day the circlejerk still tries to reheat the drama.

>> No.63575872

>>63575786
>you consider yab 3 people leaving the company by themselves?
just leaving? no but throwing shade and saying that you need to get a lawyer before you sign anything unless you want to get screwed righ after leaving? yeah

>> No.63575936

>>63575769
yes like listening to management and not being a retard, even vei and nazuna knew better than to play it when there was still a shitstorm happening

>> No.63575973

>>63575561
Mouse follows her, no clue what you're on about.

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>>63575872
way to twist vei's words tourist she herself said she had no problems with vshojo as who and even reinstated that she meant it in a general sense, never said the "screwed over part". To this day silver is the only one who voiced anything negative during her leave and it only to throw mouse under the bus for not messaging her on discord everyday

>> No.63576122

>>63575872
the only one who said anything was silver and it backfired so bad she deleted her vod and all clipes of it. Basically she tried to create drama failed and looked like an idiot. Everyone waited vei to be the one creating drama but she had nothing to say.

>> No.63576158

>>63576072
>way to twist vei's words tourist she herself said she had no problems with vshojo
I mean its the same with matara and kuro who havent sai anything negative about niji after they left but throw shades from time to time

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>>63576158
anon you must be a really special kid comparing those 3 with matara and kuro

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>>63575764
Momo is still collabing with VShojo frequently as a big part of Zen's D&D campaign
Bunny canceled herself and doesn't associate with any vtubers anymore period
Much as I would prefer she did stay away, Fefe's also still around and making for borderline unwatchable Henya streams and being the worst part of Mario Kart collabs.
Mouse still talks about Nyan regularly and Zen's raided her a few times
Snuffy and Mouse still talk all the time and are still friends even if they haven't collabed recently

And Zen was still raiding Shiori's PL occasionally until the end. Comdost, Silver, and Vei are the ones who've truly fallen off from the group.

>> No.63576447

>>63576158
matara literally based her debut lore video around how bad her PL was and still has ptsd over getting canceled by crazy fujos not even remotely comparable. Kuro on the other hand just complements management but vt sisters took it as throwing shade he even told clippers to stop taking him out of context

>> No.63576500

>>63576335
to be fair zentreya was the only one who still gave a shit about moe, the rest didn't

and moe got rid of comdost like a year before quitting too

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>>63575841
Just stating the point that Shiori wants nothing to do with Vshojo and will NEVER accept any collab regardless if it's an Ironlung interview or even just Mario Kart.

>> No.63576626

>>63576500
Mel kept around too. She just respectfully kept at a distance because she knew that her line of work and the image she wanted to project didn't exactly mesh well.

>> No.63576636

>>63575593
She also appeared in an MMD video on Silvervale's channel, dancing along with the Vshojo girls.

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>>63575973
no tweets at her though, probably went silent when she realised who it was

>> No.63576745

>>63575841
It was actually funny seeing a few Novelites pop up in /vsj+/ after debut to ask about her lol. I remember one guy getting real pissy at Zen tweeting at Shiori saying she was trying to clout chase and gifting subs after it was proven they knew one another.

>> No.63576817

>>63576599
good for her? Not sure why you're getting so pissy about this

>> No.63576870

>>63576817
tribalfags take literally anything as a competition and are constantly on edge so they probably thought you were insulting his oshi or something lol

>> No.63576923

>>63556762
Just on the first point, nyan literally got a personal boyfriend tardwrangler all in public and 99% of the vshojo fanbase supported it and cheered them on.
ironlung x cdawgva is literally everyone's official pairing regardless of reality
don't think anything else needs to be said really.

>> No.63576947

>>63576817
they think any non-holo so much as acknowledging their existence means they're trying to leech off their sacred blue dorito because god forbid people have friends, ignore the schizos

>> No.63577155

>>63556762
corpos aren't taking nobodies and propping them up anymore either anon, just look at advent

>> No.63577465

>>63576599
Nobody said she would?
I respect her collab choices. Talent freedom, bitch.

>> No.63578084

>>63576654
Mouse talked about advent and said she's particularly fond of Shiori.
Stop being such a drama sister.

>> No.63580335

>>63576599
>Shiori wants nothing to do with Vshojo and will NEVER accept any collab
Did she say that? Do you have a clip?

>> No.63580642

>>63576947
Reminds me of that Henya Holocure stream where she knew fuck all about any of them besides Ina, and /vt/ seethed about how she should have been theirs.

>> No.63582165

>>63507437
>>63555580
>>63556192
Geega fucking sucks. She has no presence because she is boring and one-note. Being a motormouth isn't a personality. Having no antis doesn't mean you're automatically interesting or fun to watch. She's a great example of how a fantastic design can be wasted on someone who doesn't deserve it. It's not that I have a personal vendetta against her, it's that she is the Twitch equivalent of white bread, completely what you'd expect from a female "gamer girl" streamer who can talk her way into making you think she's cooler than she really is. There has never been a time where Geega dominates a collab, or comes across as larger than the people she surrounds herself with. I think people get so offended at criticism of Geega precisely because they still - for some fucking reason - see has as being the ultimate indie vtuber, when she really just came across like the popular chick who is on first-name basis with an uncomfortable amount of 2views and 3views. Nevermind that she all but admitted there's a big circlejerk Discord where everyone shittalks other talents. Nevermind that half of her chatting topics seem pulled out of her fucking ass. Nevermind that she's constantly teetering on the edge of a nuclear level yab just by existing. No, Geega is alright because /vt/ doesn't talk about her, and there's totally nothing wrong with the funny eyepatch gremlin at all.

>> No.63582245

>>63575936
HP is like a big part of her life. Her not streaming HP legacy was basically less likely to have happen than anyone of us winning the lottery. it was dumb given she can't handle that kind of stress or any kind of stress but it was a given.

>> No.63582668

You're making her sound better than 99% of corpo vt whores now in service

>> No.63582731

>>63582165
Man, you ok?

>> No.63583963

>>63507091
This

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>>63582165

>> No.63584083

>>63582165
Geega is cool because she's a mature adult in an industry full of immature bitches. She's also possibly a fed.

>> No.63584114

>>63537849
Ant-hime made a great video detailing all the shitty things Froot has done over time and Froot actually copyright struck the video.

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>>63537999
>Her original "plan" was to expose the VShojo girls with again, no new information,
She literally interviewed one of the guys and actually pinned down the original claims, how is that not new information?

Seems like you're just coping bro.

>> No.63584249

>>63537999
Be honest dude, froot's mom being froot's twitter-shield is so pathetic.

>> No.63584361

>>63561694
>>63509690
>>63539212
>>63538244
>>63540551
What is this ack-brigade spamming? Is this what vshitshow fags are like? Copyright striking people is fine on this board I guess as long as you're a troon-ally lmao.

>> No.63584496

>four replies in a row in quick succession to posts from atleast 8 hours ago all about froot
glad to see you've arrived, ant discord faggots. I'm guessing someone posted a screenshot?

>> No.63584521

>>63584114
>Ant-hime made a great video
Lol
Lmao

>> No.63584539

Holy discord raid batman

>> No.63584740

>>63584521
Good enough to get copyright struck for being too accurate, kek. Fuck off frootfag.

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>>63541560
It also doesn't count if the things happened years ago.

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>>63584740
>accurate

>> No.63584921

>>63584812
This is cope

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>>63584915

>> No.63585228

>poached two of NijiEN's biggest dramawhores
>still has two of Hololive's biggest dramawhores
>still has most of the literal whores from their original lineup
VShojo is currently a ticking time bomb, someone there is going to get raped and killed

>> No.63585302

>>63576599
>AIslop

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Look at my cute delinquent wife

>> No.63585380

>>63570695
>Nothing that would count as a yab in VShojo
That's just like saying Hololive has higher standards. I'm not sure that's a very fair comparison.

>> No.63585383

>>63584114
>>63584185
>>63584249
>>63584249
lol They could not make this shitty Discord raid any more fucking obvious. Makes sense they can't even pretend to cover up their tracks when Ant used one of the most retarded forums ever conceived as a source for her rrats.

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>>63585380
To be fair, a lot of "vtuber drama" is pretty lame, the whole standard of a yab is so, dumb when you see it from an outside persective.

>> No.63585506

>>63585380
>unicorns sperging over literal twitter replies
>higher standards

>> No.63585545

>>63585228
Unlike other corpos VShojo doesn't require its talents to fly in from all over the world so they can be in one place for a weekend to record some dance or movements for something. Mel, Kson, and Hime are the only VShojos that have even met one another in person.

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>>63584740
If it's so good, why don't you link it?

>> No.63585598

>>63584740
>copyright struck for being too accurate
>copyright over content used
thing is that ant used stream clips from her, not from being "too accurate". Are antfags really this fucking dumb lmao

>> No.63585668

The only good thing ant did was supply us with some nice giantess Froot art

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>>63585668
Absolutely based

>> No.63585753

>>63585228
Maybe the problem is the corpo policies rather than the people.

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>>63585545
Especially good for the agoraphobic Henya who straight up refuses to meet anyone face to face

>> No.63585791

>>63585506
I'm not the one lowering the bar to make them count as yabs.

>> No.63585882

>>63585761
It was funny that VShojo offered to fly her to the US so she could go to AX and meet Kson in person free of charge but she just said no and went to her own panel virtually instead.

>> No.63585913

>>63585749
She really does make a great giant. Thanks ant discord!

>> No.63585953

>>63585228
>poached two of NijiEN's biggest dramawhores
Really? When did Enna and Kyo join vshojo?
>still has two of Hololive's biggest dramawhores
Only Zhangs still blame Kson, and Nazuna's too busy being a retard and purging her fanbase as Michael Cat
>still has most of the literal whores from their original lineup
The worst offenders in the original lineup(aside from froot) left and lo and behold they've been making strides in improvement.

>> No.63586172

>>63582165
This is all mostly true stuff phrased to make her sound bad. She doesn't dominate collabs, rather she supports her collab partners and makes the whole thing better as a result. She's friends with everybody, both on screen and behind the scenes. And on her own she fills a niche. This is basically why she got in, plus what you'd call "ass-kissing" and what I'd call "being a good and thoughtful friend".

>> No.63587729

>>63582165
it's not all mostly true at all kekmao

>> No.63587799

>>63587729
meant for >>63586172

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