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https://youtu.be/HQLndOtaDlQ?t=2965
No rhomboids. Make of that what you will.

>> No.6246097

some guy is about to get his channel suspended lmao

>> No.6246170

>>6245949
oh my god gura is a man and has a mans voice

>> No.6246190
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>> No.6246199

>>6246190
meh

>> No.6246258

>>6245949
COVER HIRE THIS MAN

HE'S USING BLENDER ENGINE IN ANY WAY HE CAN

>> No.6246274

Oh boy time for holofags to make excuses for why their billion dollar company can't do what a stoner in their basement can do in one night

>> No.6246316

>>6245949
>>6246258
shill your content somewhere else

>> No.6246334

>>6246316
I'll shill my shit here everyday and you can't stop me.

>> No.6246372

>>6246274
Nah. It really is embarrassing how much better this is.

>> No.6246401

well, time to watch some gura MMD porn

>>6246274
LOL

>> No.6246420

>>6246274
Holofags already shit on Cover everyday though.

>> No.6246499

Y'all just salty coz this guy got to model her cunny.

>> No.6246635

>>6246401
He does not distribute the model...

>> No.6246636

>>6245949
didn't we already talk about this like a few days ago? stop promoting yourself here faggot

>> No.6246686

... I think Gura fans would rather wait for cover to make their own model than using that.

>> No.6246705

>>6245949
That model's profile looks weird. This is still the best fan-made Gura model.
https://youtu.be/MCZyh9Uqsn0

>> No.6246796

>>6245949
Good. Now make porn with it

>> No.6246821

>>6246635
actually I see like 2 porn videos using live 2D, no whit gura tho

>> No.6246866

>>6246686
Something done by a professional in a month is always better than something done by a veteran in a few days.

>> No.6246921

he's 30 and it looks like ass

>> No.6246949

>>6246274
nah, cover's management is shit for insisting on using proprietary cover shitware for the 3d, but I don't think this one can be used for concerts can it?

>> No.6246991

>>6245949
Hey OP just want you to know /vt/ hates you and your 3D model you fucking faggot.

>> No.6247026

>>6245949
LMAO and Cover hired some shit rigger to make Gura's live2D what a shame!

>> No.6247054

>>6246866
Pros are pros because they meet deadlines. Gura's current rigger is a pro and not exactly good. It just means it's your job not that you are particularly good at it and we have seen Cover likes cutting corners here and there

>> No.6247089

>>6245949
>>6246258
>>6246334
Global Rule 11

>> No.6247115

>>6246258
I doubt Cover would hire anyone based off fan content thanks to fuckwad Mizu
Wanted to do an animation project for Kiara in her TTRPG, but then realized i could basically lose any and every right i had once i submitted it, would get 0 props apart from the girls, and i could have it shut down whenever cover feels i'mnot worth it anymore a la Holobass

>> No.6247148

>>6247115
like those people making super polished fan games only to find out half way that they are litereally wasting their years and their money for something that will put them in jail if it's popular lmfao

>> No.6247154

>>6246921
>He's 30
And? most of the hikkos they hire for art and the like are in their 40's

>> No.6247190

Kinda makes me wonder, what's stopping EN from just using fanmade 3D models while they wait for the official ones? Are they not allowed since it might ruin the "excitement" the official 3D reveal streams might make?

Ame clearly has started with that Walfie Ame 3D model, and I bet she's itching to use that other fanmade one that's floating around.

>> No.6247194

>>6245949
If this model gets to public, will cover do legal about it? We can use this shit to make rrats

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>>6247148
Unless it's a megaman fan game, then Capcom will ask if they can host it because that means they don't have to make another MM game themselves for a little while longer

>> No.6247208

>>6247148
Yup, it's a very "Only if you're a REAL Fan" mentality. They won't hire unless you are 1)This level of retarded (making shit for free) 2) In Nihon because they just love to have immediate and permanent control and 3) either married, a eunuch, or gay

>> No.6247243

>>6247190
Circles back to >>6247115 >>6247148
Eventually either the fan who made it will start asking for more and more credit/attention, or Cover will "ask" for more and more shit on the free or for "big ups"

>> No.6247256

>>6247115
Holobass made something from copyrighted characters and their voices. He was a faggot pretending Cover used his OC when it was the opposite. He knew that Spotify automatically does monetization so he fucked up.

>> No.6247281

>>6246686
Yeah if we're lucky her model will be rigged as well as Roberu's fucked up shoulders

>But thats for a homo! They'd never screw over their most subbed vtuber and darling gura!
They already did with her live2d model with her new outfit. Even after the backlash her face is still a rhombus and all they did was full in the literal holes in space in her model.
By the way she still has a lazy eye on her new model that isn't properly aligned either.

>> No.6247302

>>6247256
true and true, but JENMa did him dirty by stripping the BGM he made after all was said and done and told Ame she had the go ahead (she did not, at least not until Holobass an hero'd with the threats)

>> No.6247314

>>6247115
>>6247243
I hope Yunarun got paid and didn't do it for free...
Using parasocial relationships to get free content from fans is scummy.

>> No.6247331

>>6245949
holy fuck that look so good

>> No.6247368

>One random Jap produces Hologra tier animations and lip sync
This dude needs to get on a streaming platform so we can pay him and bolster his team

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laV7wNsiZzo

>> No.6247394

>>6246097
Why? he just made a 3D model of an already fictional character while disclaiming he isn't gura or the owner of the original.
Fair use

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>>6246258
No lol

>> No.6247436

>>6247394
Disregard the cumbuddies, they have 0 knowledge on US's Fair Use Clause and Right to Parody

>> No.6247437

>>6247368
I like the rrat that the guy who makes those is actually the same one who makes the Hologra episodes, or at least an ex employee who has lots of spare time

>> No.6247521

>>6247437
Seems like he knows exactly whats up in terms of what to emphasize and what to diminish, i really wouldn't doubt that rrat

>> No.6247556

I find funny that this tries to imply that Cover is being lazy because some guy made a 3d gura and they haven't after all of this time.

Let's say they have the models finished just now (which I am sure they had for a while) , they still have to get half of the girls to Japan to be able to even use them, which is already a hard task since they have to pay their tickets and a place to stay. Even if they have this ready, since the virus is still a thing, it might take a bit longer, I am sure that's also the reason why ID Gen 1 haven't done it still despite announcing their 3D models months ago.

>> No.6247569

>>6246258
NINTENDO

>> No.6247671

>>6247556
Also keep in mind that holostars have already begun to get their models despite ID getting the announcement about 3D models before them.

>> No.6248097

>>6247556
Why exactly do they need to go to japan? Their 3Ds mocaps don't really look all that better than home setups. Just get them a kinect or some full body mocap straps

>> No.6248157

>>6248097
Because it's far cheaper to fly 4/5 of them over, probably coerce Mori to house them, vs having to set up a spot in a state where all 5 can get to and from reliably and cheaply

>> No.6248178

>>6248157
It's cheaper to get them a home setup.

>> No.6248217

>>6248178
Ame barely has room for her VR, let alone an entire 10x10x10 setup to do even the most basic of mocap'ing

>> No.6248288

>>6248217
neet?

>> No.6248290

>>6248097
Because everytime they do the 3D debut shit they make a big stream and having to prepare a lot of stuff, often being a lot of 3D props along with an entire 3D stage. Sounds easy but there's a lot of preparation that goes into it, even Ame doing the Alex streams seems to be a hard time preparing everything and she doesn't even do half of what they do in those 3D debut streams.

>> No.6248315

>>6247556
>fly to japan just to record a 1 hour 3D stream
Sounds fucking painful

>> No.6248374

>>6246274
But holofags are always shitting on Cover, it's only the plebbitors who keep sucking Cover's cock every time some shit happens.

>> No.6248377

>>6248315
I think if they did fly to japan they would record a ton of shorts and dances and stuff to have content for a month or two

>> No.6248406

>>6248315
I hope when the day comes where all of them are in japan they can squeeze as much as possible from the models before they have to go back.

>> No.6248450

3D setups are too difficult, it's not like Cover is just equal parts lazy and cheap. By the way, does anyone else remember when vtubers used to all be 3D before content mills like Nijisanji and Cover popped up? What a coincidence haha.

>> No.6248466

>>6247394
Copying the likeness of a copyrighted character design does not fall under fair use. If cover went full disney, they can cease and desist this.

>> No.6248505

>>6247394
>Fair use
lol no

>> No.6248524

>>6248288
Not NEET, just most of what Hololive would require is stuff they would need big $$ to rent. Not just the room or the tech, but the people behind it, travelling expenses for 4-5 of the girls at any time, and most of all, the hope and trust it can be done half a world away

>> No.6248566

>>6248505
Except it is, he's clearly stated it was not meant to be used in representation of Gura, it is not for sale or for distribution, and it was a showcase of Blendr's range rather than a how2

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>>6247556
It's funny because ONE GUY managed to make a rig with better tracking than what all of COVER can make. Especially so when regarding Subaru's model, which has some really bad tracking.

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>>6248466
>>6248505
oh god oh man I drew this and now the disney police are on my trail OH GOD OH FUCK THEY'RE BREAKING DOWN THE DOOR NOOOOOOOO PLEASE COPYRIGHTCHAMA HAVE MER-

Retards.

>> No.6248967

>>6248710
there is no incentive to improve when they can do the bare minimum and still do fine.

>> No.6249339

>>6248822
Stop acting retarded, nigger. You claimed some shit about fair use and it's false. Doesn't mean something will happen, just that legally they could.

>> No.6249366

>>6249339
It wasn't false.

>> No.6249406

>>6248566
Gura's design isn't covered by American copyright law, it's covered by Japan's, and there is no fair use defense or parody exception in Japanese copyright law

>> No.6249429

>>6246866
t. someone that never works with actual veteran

>> No.6249432

>>6249366
It most certainly is. What do you think fair use even means? "I can use any copyright material as long as I'm not making money" because it's not that.

>> No.6249444

This guy is well known in the EN Vtuber and VRChat communities for being an overpriced mediocre VRChat modeller. The artists Cover hires are much better.

>> No.6249461

>>6249339
it wasn't false and I also wasn't the one claiming it, anonchama, I'm a just third party that isn't braindead and thinks our DMCA hellscape is so fucked that merely recreating the likeness of an IP is somehow legally reprehensible

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>>6249406
I don't think you understand japanese law.

>> No.6249471

>>6249444
Are you really going to tell me that this model that I'm looking at with my own two eyes is shit?

>> No.6249498

Here's Cover Derivative Works Guidelines faggots.
It's allowed.
https://en.hololive.tv/terms

>> No.6249518

>>6249471
It's passable. Put it side by side with one of the newer 3Ds like Watame's idol outfit and it would look awful.

>> No.6249525

>>6249366
>>6249461
Fair use only covers
>commentary, search engines, criticism, parody, news reporting, research, and scholarship
It's not any of these, this is just straight up enjoying the content, which is a copyright infringement. I don't like the laws either but this is what it is. Don't be retarded. Fan made content does not fall under fair use and if a company is so inclined they can cease and desist any non-fair use project using their copyrighted material.

>> No.6249612

>>6249525
It falls under derivative works and Cover guideline allows it.
>inb4 it's only a guideline
The resulting PR nightmare is never worth it.
Then again, PR nightmare is nothing new for Cover.

>> No.6249666

>>6249612
Like I've said, I'm talking about the legal situation, not about what's going to happen. Copyright holder are free to ignore any copyright infringement, doesn't change the legal position they're in.

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>>6249666
They can, but they said they won't.
And blatantly lying can be hold against them.

>> No.6249760

>>6249701
Bro, can you read? I've said like 3 times already, I'm just saying what the legal situation is and saying that's it's incorrect to claim it's fair use because it's not. I've never at any point claimed that cover will do anything against it.

>> No.6249763

>>6249444
>>>>>Shin Umiushi

>> No.6249805

>>6249760
>I've never at any point claimed that cover will do anything against it.
>if a company is so inclined they can cease and desist any non-fair use project using their copyrighted material

>> No.6249855

>>6249805
>can
Do you know what this word means?

>> No.6249894

>>6249855
you fuckers being blatantly misleading
just like the whole law bullshit

>> No.6249971

>>6249894
I said this shit in the most clear cut and easiest to understand terms. You just straight up missed possibly the most crucial word in the sentence. Don't blame me for your shit reading comprehension.

>> No.6250015

>>6249971
damn sue i'll brat

>> No.6250499

>>6249406
good thing the video isnt hosted on NND then

>> No.6250842

>>6247256
Someone sampling your copyrighted material doesn't make their work your property.
Cover did use his OC. They bully small creators and they only respect big Japshit video game companies who will sue them.

>> No.6251154

>>6249466
There is only an exception made for drawn art forms like manga and anime. It's technically against the law to sell doujins of the likenesses of copyrighted characters but Japan gives them a pass. NOT on games or vtuber models.

>> No.6251220

>>6250842
Ame's voice is her own and she works for Cover. Her likeness belongs to Cover, not Holobass. Her used her voice and likeness for his work so he has no right to make money from it since he used someone else's intellectual property to create it. Clipfags are allowed to monetize clips because Cover allows them to. At any moment Cover can reneg and claim a video.

>> No.6251326

>>6251220
The point is, ame used the backing track, which doesnt belong to her or cover, but holobass. That's his original work being used. It's not about the song as a whole, just the backing track which was used in a karaoke during her charity stream. Cover didnt have the rights for that, yet refused to even talk to holobass about any of this.

>> No.6251386

>>6249701
Not him, but it's about what they consider derivative work

>> No.6251403

>>6251326
Understood. Sounds like Cover figured Holobass wouldn't care since he'd made money off the original video. Sounds like Jenma fucked him.

>> No.6251463

>>6251220
He created the song, so he has all the rights to it. If a flute maker makes a flute, they are entitled to the flute. Someone else doesn't own the flute just because they know what a flute is, or how to play the flute.

>> No.6251767

>>6251386
Fair use dictates specific type of derivative works that's considered "okay."
So there should be no doubt from the very start that it is considered a derivative works.

>> No.6251820

>>6251463
but what if the flute maker makes the flute using someone else's wood

>> No.6251906

>>6251820
You can't "own" wood. It's a part of the environment. It grows on trees. Saying you own wood is like saying you own air.

>> No.6251944

>>6251906
But it's MY tree.
I've grown it myself in my backyard for the last 20 years.

And you just go and fucking cut it down to make your shitty flute.

>> No.6252188

>>6251944
>But it's MY air
>I've breathed it myself in my backyard for the last 20 years
>And you just go and fucking huff it to complete your shitty respiration process.

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>>6252188
Yeah faggot, that's gonna be at least 1 akasupa for you.
You gonna pay in installments or in fist to the face?

>> No.6252321

>>6248466
Next the modeler claims to have made the video to educate viewers on how to use Blender. Then it's fair use again.

>> No.6252384

>>6245949
>28
all those "is x too late to start BTFO" get on this shit this is the future, time to bring to quality back to VTubers, enough of this live2D shit

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>>6246258
t. rigger

>> No.6253258

>>6247314
Kiara insists on paying for fan stuff, so Yuna should be fine.

>> No.6253316

>>6245949
But what's under the hoodie though?

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