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>Hololive idols celebrate getting moveable hands in their 3D models
>meanwhile, Western indies develop this
Freedom and independence breed creativity and progress. Corporations breed apathy, greed, and stagnation. Indies everywhere are the real future of vtubing.

>> No.6187765

>>6187636
Yes, eastern artist vtubers were at the forefront of innovation before this, ofc artists do an artist's job best.

>> No.6187905

You say this while posting a vtuber that does nothing but youtube reaction streams and lazy gameplays?

>> No.6187972

Reminder: any time someone posts about how good a vtuber's model is, it's because they have no content to talk about.

>> No.6187984

Corps run on balancing minimal effort for maximum profits. Indies have to put in more effort just to keep up with the exposure corps can afford.

>> No.6188116

I just waiting for Kson new model
It should be top quality (she has contacts and $$$)

>> No.6188119

>>6187636
good for them, now they need to become relevant

>> No.6188234

>>6187636
you are a idiot

>> No.6188328

>>6187636
What the hell is she even going to do with tongue tracking though, what's the point?

>> No.6188456

>>6188328
Ahegao faces on chaturbate.

>> No.6188479

>>6187636
Write about it in your blog

>> No.6188494

>>6187636
>advanced model
>trash personality
>peepeepoo content
Cope more faggot

>> No.6188495

>>6188116
You should lower your expectations buddy. Regardless of how good it is you will be disappointed since you were so excited for it

>> No.6188566

>>6187972
It's like 90% of Indies having models that hololive dreams about though.

Hololive is still in the vtuber stone age.

>> No.6188576

>>6187972
This is pretty much the conclusion I run to the most. Anytime I see someone praising a model or rig, they never really say anything about their content. It's good if everyone had good models, but in the end, the personality wins out over how good any rig is. Honestly, a scuffed model wins out over a perfect model. Memes come out of jank models than near perfect ones.

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>>6187984
This. Ame developed her amazing VR setup because she ignored Cover's policy, according to her. Why is there a policy that would've stopped her in the first place?
Fuck these crusty old boomers.

>> No.6188729

>>6188607
>Why is there a policy that would've stopped her in the first place?
Because Japanese businessmen run super hard on "That's just not the way we do things."
Stifling your creative peoples' creativity is just going to cause them to leave.

>> No.6188746

>>6188566
whatever makes you happy

>> No.6188755

>>6188576
>Honestly, a scuffed model wins out over a perfect model
This is pure cope. Intentionally bad models can be April Fools jokes, but they shouldn't limit vtubers all the time.

>> No.6188878

>>6188494
All vtubers have peepeepoo content. Vtubers are all trash.

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>> No.6189967

>>6189467
you don't get it. Pekora could be a png and the same amount of people would watch her.

>> No.6190025

>>6189967
Same for most Holo girls. You think that their bad rigging means shit? Polka had shit rigging for months. Now it's way better, did she get more viewers? No, most of these girls could have png's and people would still love them

>> No.6190142

>>6188566
pff, is that really your defense?
90% of actual indies have pre-made 0$ models that only have 3 mouth flaps and maybe blink.
Looking to the side is a luxury.

>> No.6190189

>>6189467
ENTER

>SOULLESS/SOUL
>OVER ANIMATED
>TRY HARD
>COMPENSATING

>> No.6190249

>>6190189
Nah, Subaru's rigging is actually fucking awful. And it has 0 soul. Her mamas one has much more sould. The thing is that Subaru herself has more than enough soul herself so that doesn't fucking matter at all

>> No.6190274

But Holo cute

>> No.6190298

>>6187636
Reminder that all Snuffy uses for tracking is an iPhone 10. The fact that a massive company like Cover can't even touch the technology that random people on the internet have is inexcusable.

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>>6190274
yes

>> No.6190337

>>6190249
I was just thinking of all the generic arguments rigging war were going to be about with warmed up /v/ and /a/ meme

>> No.6190405

>>6190274
I'm still yet to see a winning argument against this...

>> No.6190442

I used to think that it was just vshojofags that were the vegans of the chuuba world, turns out all western """""vtubers""""" are just insufferable faggots in general and deserve to get nuked

>> No.6190444

>>6189467
Android on the left.
Apple on the right.

The left is better from a technology standpoint, but right is just aesthetically better

>> No.6190639

>>6190405
Fake voices that sound worse than nails on chalkboard can't be saved by "cute". If only they had interesting rigs.

>> No.6190705

>>6190639
I agree but we are talking about cute voices here, not fake ones. Can we focus on the point being discussed please?

>> No.6190726

>>6190639
If they have annoying voices then why do you care about the rigging? Not like you're going to watch either way

>> No.6190740

>>6190442
>nooo stop attacking my beloved corporation they can do no wrong!
Stop this shit. Yagoo doesn't give a shit about you, you're a walking piggie bank for him, and chuubas are hammers used for smashing those open. Demand more from him, for the sake of holos themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if Ame goes the way of Coco in a year because management demands her to stop having fun and do APEX collabs her whole life.

>> No.6190898

>>6190740
stfu you virtual vegan

>> No.6191071

This is triple A gaming 4k pixels polygons noombers thinking, devoid of the artistic context that makes any of this worth watching.

Tech is just tech, you know what has the highest resolution? A camera.

>> No.6191079

>>6190740
Look at this brave warrior fighting for the rights of chubbas

>> No.6191095

>>6187636
Ah yes the apex of creativity, watching tik tok and open pokemon cards.

>> No.6191297

>>6190740
I'm a free entertainment chad, your words hold no power over me.

>> No.6191430

>>6191071
Graphics are not the most important thing about videogames, but pretending like they don't matter at all is retarded. It's Nintendofag thinking, "600p 30fps is actually totally fine if you squint a bit, stop being a graphics whore!". The same applies here. Technology is not the most important thing, but burying your head in the sand because your entertainment provider can't be arsed to upgrade their age-old internal facial tracking software (the thing that's actually called "Hololive", incidentally) is childish. Cover needs to do better, simple as.

>> No.6191485

>>6189467
I hate snuffy for ditching this perfect cute live2D model and using her ugly meme 3D one.

>> No.6191699

>>6187636
Yeah, Hololive's tech is becoming outdated fast. They need to stop giving themselves fat bonuses and invest a bit in better models if they want to stay on top. Their talents are carrying them.

>> No.6191810

Even nijisanji shits on hololive. Their 2d models can vary but their 3D tech completely shits all over hololive when they use it (which is often)

>> No.6191815

>>6191699
>better models give exactly the same amount of money as the models they have now
You're retarded, what they need is more outfits, the holos actually incline when they get a new outfit

>> No.6192121

>>6191810
Often for whom ??, half of Niji dont even got 3D yet

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>>6192121
Hoshikawa's took a few extra Ds in the making, please understand.

>> No.6192932

>>6190298
to be fair, Apple really did most of the heavy lifting with FaceID for the tech that powers the vtubers that use this method.

>> No.6192943

>>6191815
>better models give exactly the same amount of money as the models they have now
Are you Jewish, by any chance?

>> No.6193087

>>6190298
That is on the rigger not the tech

>> No.6193116

>>6192943
>a new outfit doesn't cost money
Anon...

>> No.6193488

>>6193116
The point is that normal people have pride and their work and product. There's more to business than saving pennies.
A company known for skimping and cheating might make more money in the short term but eventually people are going to move on.

And besides, normal people would want their products to be known as quality, not cheap garbage that's "good enough"

>> No.6194083

>>6193488
And the talents are the product, the avatars are just topping.

>> No.6194505

>>6194083
It's a part of the product retard.
There's a reason any good company also has fancy boxes, wrapping, and designs for their product. It's not "necessary" but it looks good and people like that.

I'll give cover the benefit of the doubt that they realize their talents are all hacks who got lucky and they're just cashing in on the fad as quickly as they can before they burn it out.

>> No.6194837

>>6187636
at da end of da day, personality is 80% of it, snuffy's content probably won't ever appeal to me despite her model. she doesn't seem like someone who 4chan would like either, I'm convinced she astroturfs here

>> No.6195123

>>6194837
It's like Code Miko, people just use her to shitpost

>> No.6195398

>>6194505
>upgrade subaru's piss poor model
>she literally never uses it until it becomes related to a meme so she's forced to do it
>upgrade did absolutely nothing while her new outfit brought even more eyes on her
No one cares, the only reason to upgrade it if it's incredibly bad like coco's rig which might as well be a png

>> No.6195414

>>6194837
its whatever, from now on I'm just going to call snuffy TECHNOLOGY because veganshojo won't shut the fuck up about it

>> No.6195478

>>6194505
Thinking streaming is going to burn out anytime soon, what level of retardation is this.

>> No.6195803

>>6194837
She's cute and pretty fun.
A lot of people keep saying shit like YouTube watching or tiktoks is "lazy content" but she actually provides commentary and fun facts while doing so.

Meanwhile what, apex for the 1000th time is supposedly to be meaningful quite content? Or watching the same horror game every other vtuber has played so we can listen to the same canned fake reactions?
All vtuber streams are lazy. Streamers are fucking lazy. Real content creators have always focused on shorter videos and not streams because you can't be interesting for 6 hours straight.

>> No.6195944

>>6195478
Hololive is going to burn out. They got lucky and they know it. They're cashing in hard while they can.

>> No.6196088

>>6195944
t.retard

>> No.6196179

>>6195803
>fun facts
Go back to not r/4chan.

>> No.6196301

>>6195803
>YouTube watching or tiktoks is "lazy content" but she actually provides commentary and fun facts while doing so.
do you think reaction channels are just raw reactions without commentary and nothing more? are you a retard?

>> No.6196431

>>6187636
It completely mirrors streaming
first indies gain popularity but make no money
then streamers backed by certain corporations start gaining popularity due to better equipment, but then indies eventually reign supreme because only the most creative, most talented individual can survive in a saturated market

>> No.6196473

>>6196179
>>6196301
Does it matter? You're still avoiding the point. Its content that's based on how interesting the streamer is.
It's no more lazy than apex every night for a month is.

What "interesting" content is your favorite hololive doing every single that that is so much more interesting than that?

>> No.6196783

>>6196473
>Its content that's based on how interesting the streamer is.
and TECHNOLOGY is about as boring as it gets, if she was good then I wouldn't hear so much about it
>It's no more lazy than apex every night for a month is.
and you're talking out of your backend

>> No.6196958

>>6196783
They're talking about the rig because it was new and being shown off today.
>b-but apex is interesting
Good argument.

Just admit you're a retard tribalfag and fuck off.

>> No.6197011

>>6196783
Holy shit, you're a really cringy kid.

>> No.6197134

>>6196431
I love that you can say this when half of the top streamers on twitch are corporate accounts.

>> No.6197309

>>6197134
Most on twitch at least are small startups are best.
Vshojo is probably peak on twitch and all their models are custom made. And company itself is just 2 dudes that sell merch of the girls and handles the branding. Essentially just glorified indies

>> No.6197553

>>6196958
Can you tell me which holos regularly play apex "every night" that aren't matsuri or aqua? do you even know who they are? or are you just being a faggot?

>> No.6197939

>>6197553
>but they don't LITERALLY do it every night!
It's called hyperbole you dipshit.
If you didn't catch the meaning, the point is vidya is fucking boring. There's no content, its a streamer faking reactions to things going on in the game and commenting on bullshit she sees.
It's literally identical to YouTube watches. Except unlike YouTube watches they just play a game, while most YouTube watches are just topics for the streamers to start talking about.

Watch videos are prompts. Video games are a nothing.

>> No.6198233

>>6187636
There's like 1 good indie and you know it.

>> No.6198336

>>6197309
Anon most top streamers have affiliation with corporate or are corporate themself you think pewdiepie or xQc can do all of the stuff they do alone ?

>> No.6198455

>>6198336
Why are we talking about 3dpd?
Either way, most of those got picked up after their success, usually its more of a partnership or sponsorship rather than directly being under them. They have their own small businesses for tax purposes.

>> No.6198562

>>6197939
oh so you weren't being autistic you were just being hyperbolic, right...
anyways your oshi is boring and you hate it when someone brings it up, to the point when a genuinely good streamer thats entertaining comes on you have to cope by calling them being fakers
god forbid that someone is more entertaining than your wet carboard TECHNOLOGY

>> No.6198702

doesn't mean anything. Sapce Haywire has a literal fucking png for his avatar and he still managed to cuck all koopas

>> No.6198734

>>6187636
>Freedom and independence breed creativity and progress.
Yet quality is absent and they are neither interesting nor charming. I genuinely like the simplistic approach Holo has taken. It's charming and has soul. It's all about the personality, not the gimmicks.

>> No.6198750

>>6198562
>someone said EVERY DAY
>hmmm... he must be wrong and not just exaggerating for effect
>let me introduce some random nonsense about technology when we're talking about content because it's impossible to have a good rig and good content
I suggest contacting your local police so they can find your wrangler.

>> No.6198774

Sell me on her, I've only seen her tracking don't know anything else about her.

>> No.6198883

>>6191699
>Their talents are carrying them.
Exactly. Nobody gives a shit about rigging. It's completely secondary.

>> No.6198927

>>6198774
She's a fatass who likes animals.
She's pretty sweet overall and has a nice clear voice too. She leans on the normal side of dorky but still a major dork.

>> No.6198969

>>6190444
Snuffy's method of tracking specifically requires an apple phone, genius.

>> No.6199083

>>6198750
yea whatever shut the fuck up you lost
nobody cares that your oshi is boring but trying to justify why you watch her in /vt/ of all places her is super cringe

>> No.6199143

>>6198750
After reading your stupid retort the person you are responding to is probably right.

>> No.6199190

>>6193087
It is on the tech, Iron Vertex has done rigging for indies and Holos and the Holo ones are stiffer in general cause of their in house app. They both use iphones for face tracking so that's the outlier.

>> No.6199197

>>6198455
Pls read the reply chain anon, and pewdiepie has a dozen people working under him

>> No.6199250

Also this is a very American thread and mindset. All that matters is the new shiny thing and dangling keys, but actual content and quality are never taken into account or even matter. There was never a moment in which I wanted to see Holo's models updated or "fixed" because there's nothing to update or fix. I watch it for the personality behind the avatar. In other words, the limitations of their rigging make them better entertainers. The Japanese understand that less is more. I do too. But the Americans do not.

It is precisely the amateurish nature of Holo that makes its talents shine. What OP wants is the Michael Bay approach - loud sounds and shiny things. He thinks that's good. He thinks that is what matters and what is entertaining. And that's sad.

>> No.6199278

>>6199197
Yeah but he owns it because he's made a fuck ton of money. It's like saying I'm big business because I hire a Mexican guy to cut my lawn.

>> No.6199340

>>6187636
haha moving tongue. so innovative. she can finally lick a dick on stream like she always wanted.

>> No.6199419

>>6199250
I read this in the most ching chong nip nong voice imaginable

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>>6199250
>actual content and quality
>90% of hololive streams are gacha, apex, minecraft or karaoke.

woah so innovative

>> No.6199512

>>6199190
No holos have Iron Vertex as their rigger

>> No.6199641

>>6187972
yeah so why no give the very talented (and wealthy enough to afford it) Holos the same tech and make them even better? because cover has chronic water on the brain

>> No.6199667

>>6187636
ogey.

>> No.6199854

>>6199641
Maybe because they only have limited capacity to make new shit, and the ability to stick their tongues out provides absolutely no return on the effort invested?

>> No.6199920

>>6199641
Why would they, literally no one cares if holos can move their tongues, everyone is happy seeing holos sit down and do nothing literally

>> No.6199989

>>6199854
>limited capacity to make new shit
You realize they just hire other people to do it right? They don't make shit in house, it's contracted out.

>> No.6200021

>>6199920
>being happy with a shitty outdated product
Do holofags really?

>> No.6200191

>>6199989
No shit that why it's limited, that's why Niji can pump out so many new outfits because they do it in house, the opposite is true for 3D.

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My oshi can stick her tongue out, can yours?

>> No.6200227

>>6200021
Nobody gives a shit how advanced the models are as long as they look cute, and what matters is the person behind the model, no one cares about your shitty indie having the best model in the world, she doesn't have the personality to match it

>> No.6200242

>>6199419
Am Slav. Thus false.

>>6199431
You don't actually watch vtubers and your usage of shitty meme reaction pics proves it.

Cow thread.

>> No.6200321

>>6200021
Mate i watch indie with no PNG even, the product is not the avatar, it's the talent behind it, as long it's not off putting it whatever.

>> No.6200427

>>6187636
Coroporations always win in the end anon. Stagnant corporations will fall only to be replaced by new ones who will buy the fruits of the indies who moved the industry forward in the meantime. You can't compete with the power of money.

>> No.6200467

>>6195803
Your streams are shit and you sound fat, Snuffy.

>> No.6200725

>>6187636
>>6187984
There's a corp writing the software somewhere. devs capable of shit like vtuber face tracking don't work for free, and they ain't cheap. >>6192932
Think covers stuff while also apple has some in house stuff. Apples faceid is famous for working like complete dog shit for asians.

>>6188607
>>6188729
did she confirm there even was a policy? they give them a platform with the rig set up, same as you get a laptop for any office job. If you're not working on anything secret and don't mind the headache of cleaning out any of there ip you have lying around if you ever leave, you can generally use your own stuff for those jobs.

>> No.6200832

>>6199512
https://twitter.com/BrianTsuii/status/1407032305659617287?s=20

>> No.6201010

>>6200832
Didnt know that she has an update, but yeah look the similar to all his other rig,

>> No.6201652

>>6187636
yeah i hope Western indies develop pain receptors so i can beat the shit out of them on stream

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This is girls-dm's set up. It's basiclly an iphone, ifacemocap, luppet. Far as I know snuffy's is very similiar.

>> No.6202083

>>6188328
It cool

>> No.6202236

>>6199431
As oposed to snuffy's reaction streams?

>> No.6207163

>>6188566
anon hololives main selling point is that their software dosen't need great tech to run. most of the first gens were hired just to show off how easy it is to become a vtuber with it and sell it so indies

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>>6188566
too bad there's like, 5 people who get to see their models on stream before they die lmao

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OP is right I reallly enjoy watching indie vtubers reacting to youtube videos and playing apex, truly the epitome of creativity and risk.

>> No.6207601

>>6187636
Fancy tech gimmicks do not an entertaining streamer make
That said, cover does need to get their shit together

>> No.6210297

>>6207546
Is this supposed to sell me on v-tubing as a creative and productive hobby/media for the masses?
I can see it in some dystopian world where our physical world is shit and we have to live and have a 'physical' avatar online, but what is the point of all of this right now? How is it fun?
I came here from the front page, by the way.

>> No.6210311

>>6188494
Oh want me to tell you when Luna, Miko and Rio pretend to be babies and suck on their fellow idols tits in RP?

>> No.6210565

>>6210297
vtubing is just normal content with anime girls instead of real disgusting women.

>> No.6210650

>>6187636
You don't watch them.

>> No.6211226

>>6210297
With the vast, vast majority of vtubers being trend-chasing variety streamers, there's only so much you can do.
Sad when an entire creative medium amounts to being a parasocial leech.

>> No.6211294

>>6200725
Lmao, imagine thinking Cover gave Ame any amount of her VR setup

>> No.6211432

>>6210311
They don't talk about drinking cums and dick retard. If you can't differentiate between those two content than kys. But I doubt you vshojo viewers have mental capacity to think or even know JP to watch these chubbas. You all are just clipfags and ironic weeb plagues.

>> No.6211628

>>6211432
>or even know JP to watch
YWN…

>> No.6211659

>>6211628
you will never be british so why learn englisch?

>> No.6211687

>>6211659
Because it’s spoken outside it’s country of origin, ESLchama

>> No.6211724

>>6211687
wow so you can learn a language and not want to live the country of its origin? what a novel idea

>> No.6211749

>>6190639
>fake voices
>when posting fucking Snuffy
Ironic

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Reminder the biggest vtuber in history has the rigging of a fucking rhombus. If the vtuber isn't popular or entertaining to watch, then your technology doesn't matter.

>> No.6212129

>>6211830
Cunny carried

>> No.6218265

>>6211830
FUCK RIGGERS

>> No.6223138

>>6200201
I have a wife who I fuck everyday

>> No.6223254

hololive talent can actually make it entertaining

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>>6187636
Cope

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>>6187636
big chingus

>> No.6223355

>>6223291
l-leno chan k-kawaii...

>> No.6223672

>>6187636
She can clean my taint

>> No.6224330

>>6210297
That argument could be made about books. Or any other form of media, it is a harmless form of escapism the human race has been enjoying for hundreds of years just in a different form. Just because >>>you don't get it doesn't make it invalid. That's the same mentality those christian moms had about videogames, or rock music, "picture books", "moving pictures", "cave drawings".

To not grasp this very simple concept is just autism.

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