/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

They legitimately went from being a "flop" to the heartbeat of the En community(not just Holo En).

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fauna is the backbone, the strongest

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>>60766618
>They were the only members from a big group who didn't abandon their viewers, thus they are so loved
What a surprise, who could have guessed it!!!!!!!
You know the En community is shit when even the "Queen of Twitch" is called a backstabber

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Low effort

[Anonymous No.]

Exaggeration at best

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>>60766618
Getting invested in CouncilRyS (Promise) is legit like getting into a good slice of life anime, you won't get that shit anywhere else in the EN sphere

[Anonymous No.]

I like Mumei.

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fauna bots her streams

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>>60766618
They actually like their fans... yes even Kronii like the Kronis she is just dumb and Korean so it comes out weird.

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>>60767507
She's very retarded when it comes to expressing how she feels but i like her more for it, dumbass had to wrote down her feelings for her 3D debuts

[Anonymous No.]

They were never a flop; Myth was just an outlier with how much it ended up exploding at the start.

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>>60767507
doubt that, i think kronii may just hate us

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>>60766618
None of them grew on me so I don’t watch any of them except in collabs. I mostly find them boring except for Mumei, but in her case her scatterbrain is so chaotic it gives me a headache

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>>60766735
Kronii absolutely abandoned her fans

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>>60767347
Wrong.
Her fans did it though.
to 800k too of course but the SC and CCV just gonna stay the same.

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>>60767347
>Mori bots her streams
Fixed

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>>60768622
>randomly deflects to Mori in a council thread
Pink woman brainrot

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>>60768510
i feel the same but i don't have evidence ,i don't know why i feel that way

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>>60766696
Really glad she's not afraid of being cringe and pushes the others to embrace their cringe.

[Anonymous No.]

The only good ones are Bae, IRyS, and Mumei in that order

[Anonymous No.]

Most improved unit, their full collabs for the first almost year were not good

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>>60768691
Mori isn't even that bad nowadays

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>>60766618
I forget that 3/5 of them exist most days

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>>60766618
I hate(love) them, fuckin council were the ones that dragged me down to this shithole called /vt/

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>>60768510
Whatever you say, sis.

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Stop trying to summon the Mythfags out of /hlgg/.

[Anonymous No.]

Promise is what councilRyS could've and should've been if omega wasn't a thing but at the same time, the omega year and a half taught them hard lessons that they needed to learn to get to this point

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>>60766618
I have sex with all of them

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>>60771023
>Promise is what councilRyS could've and should've been
Promise literally is councilrys, it just got an official corporate brand

[Anonymous No.]

Never were a flop in the first place.
You're just an envious faggot.

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Only nijiseethers and actual nijiEN streamers thought they were a flop. Look how that turned out lmao.

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Space baby...

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>>60766618
Yeah and do you know why it happened? Unironically it's because IRyS turned out to be the perfect 'centre' in their chemistry. I don't know if Sana had to go to make it happen but it definitely seems like the rest of Council and IRyS improved dramatically afterwards. It's proof that a good group dynamic helps each individual. The loss of it in Myth is what's responsible for their downfall.

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>>60766618
Unironically the only one I hear news from in Myth, unless I go here, is Mori. Sometimes it feels like Council is the first HoloEN group

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>>60766618
They became the heartbeat because Myth barely exists and has no presence.

Kiara and Mori work their asses off but don't any interesting streams worth tuning into unless you're in love with them. Ina hardly exists and takes long pauses between her streams. She started streaming again but is now dead for 9+ days. Watson burnt out so fucking hard she took two weeks off because she simply felt like it (at least she was honest about it). And Gura's a fucking lost cause if you want streaming content. Everyone knows that.

You'd have to be legitimately, actually, genuinely fucking delusional if you think Myth's camaraderie even compares to Council's/Promise's in their current state. EN, for a point in time, was so unimpressive that I was almost exclusively just watching JP members. It took a while for Council to turn around and get their shit together to eventually form into Promise, but they've easily been the lifeblood of EN lately. They got along much more naturally over time and their interactions with each other showcase this.

And, of course, Advent existing also helps them out as well. Advent not only revitalized interest in HoloEN due to new members, but they motivate the previous HoloEN members as well. It's good all around for collabs and interactions. Council was originally pretty rough, but enough time has passed that they're important and crucial now. And that's why things feel so proper with the formation of Promise. They feel like a cohesive unit that can have actual fun with each other.

Myth fell off in the minds of people because three of their members are basically dead or dying and the other two are struggling to get people to give a shit. Some hardcore Myth fans won't want to admit that.

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>>60773231
The catalyst wasn't Irys joining, but Sana leaving. Losing a member, for whatever reason, brought them closer together. When you watch them you can believe they are all genuine friends, ready to banter each other to no end, instead of some awkward politeness.

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>>60767507
Kronii actually despises us. And that's absolutely fine if that's what you want from a Vtuber but that ain't me sadly.

[Anonymous No.]

Its amazing what you can accomplish with consistent hard work.

[Anonymous No.]

>yeah, council didn’t do as well as they expected
>nijiEN is THRIVING
>all out war

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>>60767263
this

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>>60774271
Anon, Kronii is probably the most parasocial out of everyone in Promise.

>actually despises us
Oh, I'm probably talking to Babski with the projection, kek.

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>>60767263

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IRyS is the best one. Is it just because she's a cute dork? I don't know, but she sure is great.

[Anonymous No.]

Biboo filled the hole in my heart left by gura

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>>60774604

She somehow managed to tie the whole group together, like the missing piece

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>>60773231
>>60774918
Nothing has actually changed about the amount of time they spend together or their chemistry, you just never paid attention to CouncilRyS before this.

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>>60766618
Sana removing herself formt he equation and IRyS becoming part of CouncilRyS were key events in the timeline to Promise domination. The self-destruction of the Homostars and the coming of Advent were also necessary events for Promise to form as strong as it did.

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>>60778660
You're just shy of saying canon event. Come on, bro. For the storyline.

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>>60773653
Council has genuine cohesion. All the girls work well together in practically any order. You can pair any one of them up and you're basically guaranteed a good collab.
Myth on the other hand has completely lost any semblance of cohesion. All of them with the exception of Kiara and Mori are even invested in their channels at this point.
Advent is still new, so we have to wait and see. but based on their collabs so far, they seem like they want to have counsil-tier cohesion but they're all too different. Fuwamoco with any of the other advent girls is so awkward as fuck because they have nothing in common with the rest. The business yuri between shiori and nerissa is so obviously forced.
Basically, counsil is kino because they actually make a fantastic group together and feel like an actual unit instead of just a bunch of random girls strung together awkwardly trying to fill dead air.

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>>60779265
It's just FWMC forcing everyone to be the third wheel. Nerissa and Fauna's open VC streams without FWMC is kino af.

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>>60779534
>It's just FWMC forcing everyone to be the third wheel.
They should switch off to just one of them in most collabs really. They did it for one solo stream only but otherwise seem hesitant to do so, maybe Mococo is nervous about not being in a duo format. The sports festival would have been a good time to separate them too but didn't.

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>>60766618
>flop
damn, that's some word with a bite. It's like it's an all out war out there

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>>60773653
This post is bafflingly hilarious for many reasons
But what stands out to me is saying Myth fell out of people's minds due to breaks as if Promise doesn't have Kronii and Mumei in it, or as if Irys wasn't just gone for an entire month
Also labeling them the lifeblood of EN when the same handful of Myth members both still round out the most hours streamed in the branch and are responsible for organizing 90% of the full branch collabs
You wrote an entire essay full of subjective opinions and counterfactuals when you couldn't just kept it short and say "I like Promise the most :) " lol

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>>60766618
They were always a big deal it's obviously just shitposters saying they aren't. Sub count is only part of the picture and even then theirs are nothing to scoff at

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>>60769543
Let's not get carried away, cuckbeat.

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>>60780379
>cuckbeat
Come up with a new buzzword, sis

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>>60768510
>>60768699
Because you liked her without being a member of her core audience, and that realization hit hard but you can't really prove she changed.

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It is peak comedy that a group named Promise has Kronii in it.

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>>60779534
Well yeah, that's what I'm getting at. Advent has such poor cohesion that they work better with counsil girls than eachother.

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>>60780540
>It is peak comedy that a group named Promise has Kronii in it.

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>>60780046
Myth fell out of people's minds because everyone except for mori and kiara doesn't even care about it anymore. The others basically act as if they're solo instead of part of a generation. It's not that they take breaks, it's that they just gave up. Gura, Ame, and Ina haven't taken the initiative to make any sort of Myth event for a fucking eternity.

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>>60780453
Sure. Faggot.

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>>60781012
To be fair, Gura and Ame lost initiative, Ina never had any, she's putting in only slightly less effort now than she was at debut.

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>>60766618
Give Jap-sama a yacht. I kneel.

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>>60779534
>>60779265
Fwmc don't work as collab partners with anyone but themselves due to a combination of being sisters making them tend to default to chatting with eachother and not including the other party, and them being so autistically devoted to the kayfabe the other girl can't talk about anything with them. Like bringing up an old anecdote about school or something and they'll just respond "SchOOl? What's that?? We are le demon dogs who never went to a school!!"

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>>60766618
the scary thing about promise is that the gen is great from bottomm to top. a well balanced gen

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>>60768510
sure buddyronii

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>>60774079
as someone who also watches stars, I agree desu. I still think Sana could have worked out if things just went a bit different but yeah

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>>60781012
>The others basically act as if they're solo instead of part of a generation
Not really? Gura basically ONLY shows up to collabs nowadays, Ina collabs fairly frequently
The only person this really applies to is Ame, that's cause she has a weird autism in regards to collabs that make her come off as anti-social
>Gura, Ame, and Ina haven't taken the initiative to make any sort of Myth event for a fucking eternity.
I don't get how this is an indictment on Myth when Muemi, Kronii, and Irys basically don't do shit as far as organizing intra-gen collabs go, Fauna and Bae do like 90% of the heavy lifting

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>>60781513
Gura doesn't show up to fucking anything of her own accord. The only time she even speaks to another holo (or even streams at all) is when the company forces her to.
>ina collabs frequently
Her last myth collab was the mandated anniversary over a month ago

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>>60766735
Who’s the queen of twitch now? Mousey or Filian? And why are they a backstabber exactly?

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>>60782045
>Gura doesn't show up to fucking anything of her own accord.
>mandated anniversary
Oh ok I get now, you think the way you do because you don't actually watch streams

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>>60782518
To be fair, its kind of hard to watch gura streams when there are none

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>>60782609
She does, she shows up to collabs relatively often but people don't like to count those for some reason

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>>60766618
>>60780657
kek there always has to be the stain in the group
guess that's kronii.
>>60770261
YWNBAW

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>>60766696
>Fauna
You mean Bae followed by Mumei as per stream information

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>>60781513
>Ina collabs fairly frequently
I don't watch Ina's channel and I usually forget she's even in Hololive, she has zero presence

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>>60780046
Mumei maintained contact with fans while she was sick, and Irys also wasn't completely dead and even attempted to do a no talking stream. I agree somewhat regarding Kronii, but her scarce ass schedules were always a thing. But you can tell that when she's doing group collabs with the other Promise girls, she's not falling asleep or sounding like she wants to die. Her recent schedule includes more streams, but we'll see how that progresses. It's certainly more active/busy than a few other EN member's schedules.

Like I said, Mori and Kiara work their asses off, but outside of the most hardcore fans, they're not exactly drumming up interest for most viewers. But that's my whole point, the other three barely exist these days so the Myth cohesion and bond feels like it's not there. Getting your entire group together to sing a fucking Naruto song and Naruto run together says a lot about Promise's connection compared to Myth who feel like extremely distant coworkers.

The whole point of this conversation is about the "lifeblood" or "heartbeat" of EN. To suggest that Myth is still that in its current form is an absurd take.

>>60782746
And no, I don't think that counts either. Showing up for a company wide Minecraft event is an insane "gotcha" in this discussion.

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>>60782746
Did you bump your head really hard lately? The year 2021 was a long time ago

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>>60783524
>Mumei maintained contact with fans while she was sick, and Irys also wasn't completely dead and even attempted to do a no talking stream
I'll give you Irys, but like 80% of Mumei "maintaining contact" is just her tweeting something like "is a hotdog a sandwich?" or a singular emoji at 12 am, also ignoring that she's prone to disappear for 1-2 weeks at a time due to being a student
>somewhat regarding Kronii, but her scarce ass schedules were always a thing.
???
She's on average been bottom 3 in hours streamed within EN since she's been in the company, several Advent members are on pace to pass her up this year, despite having a 6 month head start to the year
>Like I said, Mori and Kiara work their asses off, but outside of the most hardcore fans, they're not exactly drumming up interest for most viewers.
I don't really get what point you're trying to make here beyond just numberfagging or your own personal interest in regards to their content
In the case of the first the gap between say Kiara and Mori vs Bae and Kronii isn't that big as far as CCV goes, and even then as we've established because they stream so much a stat like CCV is kinda inherently biased against them while they reflect better on a stat like Watch Time
If it's the case of your own interest in their content I don't really have much to say besides "it's subjective"
>But that's my whole point, the other three barely exist these
It's literally just Gura. Both Ame and Ina still stream pretty often these days
I don't get how you can claim those two "don't exist" because they don't stream for 1 or 2 weeks, but somehow give Kronii and Mumei a pass for doing the exact same thing
>Getting your entire group together to sing a fucking Naruto song and Naruto run together says a lot about Promise's connection compared to Myth who feel like extremely distant coworkers.
Are you really grandstanding their cohesion because they sang a single meme song together for their 3D debut?
If that's the case, how does Myth making their first group song be a cover of Country Roads not count for anything?
How does Myth coming together and collectively writing, performing, having a track produced, and having input on a MV for Myth or Treat within 12 hours not blow both of those other two out of the water?
>The whole point of this conversation is about the "lifeblood" or "heartbeat" of EN. To suggest that Myth is still that in its current form is an absurd take.
I disagree in basically ever manner then
As far as streaming goes, pre-advent the top streamer in EN on a monthly basis was usually either Kiara, Mori, or Ame
As far as branch wide projects go, those 3 are responsible for organizing nearly every project with the sole expectation being the Halloween comic from last year (Which Fauna wrote the script for) Like, Kiara is literally trying to figure out the logistics needed for a 15-man Among Us collab right now
I would even argue that lot people commenting on EN feeling "stagnant" pre-Advent was just them feeling the effects of Gura not being around
>And no, I don't think that counts either.
Ok well I think you're bit dumb then
Like, ignoring how her last collab (Myth anniversary) wasn't "mandated" or anything. How do the several small scale collabs (1 on 1, 2-5 man collabs) she's been in while in her "dead" period not count?

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>>60786102
>>somewhat regarding Kronii, but her scarce ass schedules were always a thing.
>???
>She's on average been bottom 3 in hours streamed within EN since she's been in the company, several Advent members are on pace to pass her up this year, despite having a 6 month head start to the year
Did you miss the fact she got a jaw surgery that fucked her ability to speak coherently for months earlier this year?

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>>60768510
>>60780046
Hey you retards, wants to see the differences between Promise girls going on breaks and myth girls?
They don't fucking ghost their fans, fucking hell Kronii had parts of her jaw sawed of, was puking blood in the Hospital and she was still calling on the Promise girls for their birthday, and was back full force to work after 3 fucking weeks all the while flying to Japan to record her dances for the fest, doctors told her she would need months to properly recover and guess what, after that it was a fucking schedule every single weeks for monthsuntil Council had to go work in Japan, now they're back to work, all of them.
Meanwhile in myth? Gura keep being MIA and ghosting everyone, Ame just fucked off for 2 weeks even ghosting Kiara and only came back for a sponsorship, Ina is on a full break
>>60786343
No they don't miss context they're avoiding mentioning it because this woman is an absolute unit and they are faggots.


>that thread is mostly chumbuds hard coping
roru
rumao

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>>60786343
or even earlier than that when she got her wisdom teeth pulled out so she can get her jaw surgery, still did a space, still was tweeting and talking to her fans
the "Kronii hates her fans" rrat is total bullshit and will always be

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>>60786343
No I didn't, it's just that not relevant in the face the of her not being on the weaker end of hours streamed, pre-or-post surgery
It's not she was putting in crazy hours and then surgery ruined it all
Credit were it's due she's upped her hours post-surgery but even then that's just slightly better than bottom 3

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>>60786102
>anniversary events are not mandated
TOPKEK.
By the way mister stream time numbers man, how about you bring up the numbers of intra-myth collabs compared to counsil and advent. The whole original argument was that myth has lost cohesion, making counsil at large the workhorse generation of EN.

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>>60786102
I am NOT reading all that, /#/ monkey.

[Anonymous No.]

all the kronii defence squads
the numbers speak for themselves
watching fauna RN at 8k vs kronii at 2k

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>>60766618
>heartbeat of the En community
nobody in holo en is the hearbeat of the en community, they're too siloed off from every other en vtuber to be really influential

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>>60786842
>>anniversary events are not mandated
>TOPKEK.
?
Both Kiara and Mori, on two different occasions said management doesn't actually force you do any type of stream/collabs for anniversaries and that the idea of doing an all-day collab was something Myth came up with internally
>By the way mister stream time numbers man, how about you bring up the numbers of intra-myth collabs compared to counsil and advent.
I'm too lazy to manually count the hours, but I can tell you the gap between Myth and Council isn't that wide, but the margent between the both of them compared to Advent is quiet big
> The whole original argument was that myth has lost cohesion, making counsil at large the workhorse generation of EN.
Idk how you can think of them as the "workhorse" gen when they on average stream less than Myth does
Even with Gura tanking their average, Myth as cohesive gen still streams more than Promise (428 vs 376)

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>>60786495
>Meanwhile in myth? Gura keep being MIA and ghosting everyone, Ame just fucked off for 2 weeks even ghosting Kiara and only came back for a sponsorship, Ina is on a full break
As for Kiara and Mori?
If you're gonna whine, at least do it properly. If there's nothing wrong with the others, that sort of invalidates your point.

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>>60766618
Nah they're still a flop. Only reason we ever pretend otherwise is because of that fake discord comment from Fulgur. Let me know when one of them gets Gura/Bijou numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

When Hololive first got HoloEN, I thought I hated the concept. I thought HoloEN was not for me and that I'd be a weeb forever.

But then Council happened. And I realized I just hated Myth.

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>>60791284
Mumei got over 70k live viewers this month on her event stream. Tell me the last time fucking Gura got ccv like that. Pro tip: it hasn't been for a very long time.

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>>60767263
I guess someone had to, statistically.

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>>60791284
>fake discord comment
you should make your falseflagging less obvious nijisis.

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>>60779265
> All the girls work well together in practically any order. You can pair any one of them up and you're basically guaranteed a good collab.

Lol so fauna + bae or bae + kronii is guaranteed a good collab?

> Fuwamoco with any of the other advent girls is so awkward as fuck because they have nothing in common with the rest.

Huh? fwmc work with nerissa and bijou. Nerissa has the older sibling bickering with the younger sibling vibe and bijou is full kusogaki and messes with them. What’s awkward about that ?

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>>60795700
Mumei’s 3D showcase outright beat Gura’s head to head

[Anonymous No.]

counciltards full of themselves as usual

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>>60792087
I was contrarian until they hired a gen with two homo supporters, Two boyfriend havers and a quitter that would rather want chink money

Cuck

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>>60807068
Hilarious coming from a ruffian

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>>60807068
It is funny that the Council fans have middle child syndrome

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>>60807214
BAU BAU NIGGER

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>>60807326
>It is funny that the Council fans have middle child syndrome
Its literally the hoomans and saplings speaking louder than anyone else they got their ego inflated by numbers because Mumei and Fauna turned out to be the most popular of their gen when Gura and Ina were MIA during 2022.
You don't see kronies or sanalites or brats being this fucking obnoxious ever.

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>>60807214
bau bau

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>>60807411
What you are saying actually makes sense

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>>60807411
>Its literally the hoomans and saplings speaking louder than anyone else they got their ego inflated by numbers because Mumei and Fauna turned out to be the most popular of their gen when Gura and Ina were MIA during 2022.
that would explain why they hang out at /#/ all the time

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>>60786102
>Everyone says Advent streams a lot
>They've streamed less than everyone except Gura

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>>60807411
>You don't see kronies or sanalites or brats being this fucking obnoxious ever.
absolutely false btw, kronies used to be extremely obnoxious until the most obnoxious kronies fucked off. they mostly lay low now
brats are mostly okay but occasionally they love getting into fights over "who is most idol-like"

[Anonymous No.]

sure is schizo in here

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>>60766618
I like promise but you dont gotta post weird shit about them being the heartbeat of english vtubing, whatever that means, bro

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>>60808275
It's a pretty obvious shitpost designed to bait responses, how would they ever be the heart of the EN community when Hololive is mostly insular anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>60807211
So you're a JPfag who never got into Myth? My condolences but go back to /jp/

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>>60807712
Wow retard almost like the image shows hours streamed from January the 1st, and Advent first debuted in July

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>>60766696
Sapling posted this

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>>60808720
Hey at least those guys ate proper contrarians instead of Redditors pretending to be contrarian, when the only reason Council has relevance is because Gura and Ina stopped streaming in 2022

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>>60781513
>as far as organizing intra-gen collabs go, Fauna and Bae do like 90% of the heavy lifting
Huh? I'm pretty sure it's like 60% Bae and 40% Mumei, Mumei and Bae have both talked about how they organize collabs before and bounce ideas off of each other. And once in a while Fauna will organize something too but it's mostly Mubae working together to organize stuff.

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>>60806014
Yes they are good collabs you faggot. Fauna + bae is kino you nigger.
FWMC with the other girls is awkward because anyone with them gets third wheeled. Nerissa particularly doesn't fit well with FWMC because their personalities are opposites. I get that this is subjective, but it seems like others here agree that FWMC isn't great in collabs. Of course this may change, they're still new and getting used to holo. I'm not going to get hung up on advent yet, just saying what my inital observations are.
>>60806879
You fucking buffoon. Gura's showcase is ancient and was before her giant winter vacation if I remember right. Mumei's showcase was literally just last month and she still managed to pull a higher peak CCV. That is a massive accomplishment. If Gura tried something like this right now, she would pull 3/4s of those numbers best case scenario. Dredging up gura's 3D showcase is massive cope and you're scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

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>>60809185
Please understand he reads the Sapling made memes about Fauna being a mommy, so he assumes that Fauna organises the most collabs

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>>60769543
Never fall for brapbeat propaganda.

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>>60807411
Incorrect. Mumei’s numbers slumped to all-time lows after the one-year anniversary due to OW spam in September and didn’t start recovering until around Holofes.

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>>60809465
Rather listen to that rather than the whining of a horse fetishist

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>>60809389
NTA but your seethe is embarrassing, the guy pulling up gura's showcase was agreeing with you. Please read posts before you respond to them
Also I heavily disagree with your FWMC take because you're essentially saying 3P collabs can never work. I've tuned into a few of their collabs and I thought they were fine. They could use better chemistry sometimes, but that will come in time as the girls get to know each other.

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>>60781148
Never happened

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I just wished Promise organised more stuff. They still just wait for other gens to organise collabs and events.

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>>60809587
Oh you're right about the second guy I responded to. My bad. I misread his post. Sorry.
Also, I'm not saying that 3P collabs don't work. They do work all the time. I'm just saying that I don't personally think that they work well in FWMCs case. I think they're great on their own, just not in collabs YET. Besides you're basically agreeing with me by saying that they could use better chemistry and need time to get to know each other in advent. That's what i was saying. Take any two girls in counsil, and they will have better chemistry than two advent girls. Of course this is to be expected because they're new. That's why im not going to get hung up on them now.

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>>60776607
Lol no. Don't even try that confirmation bias shit. The defining element of IRyS' career prior to Sana leaving was her being basically ignored by management and being isolated. Things changed for the better. I know you may like your girls, but you do them a disservice by acknowledging genuine progress.

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>>60809529
nah, around holofes was the kyun arc which was probably mumei's low point
her numbers recovered with the triple whammy of summer starting, her starting to do karaoke again, and advent debuts bringing a bunch of new viewers
i expect them to go back down a bit with summer ending and debut tourists mostly gone.
>>60809771
if you're talking about branchwide collabs/events, not even myth can really get those going anymore these days, and advent doesn't have the necessary clout in EN to organize them yet. currently only kiara really has the ability to tardwrangle a bunch of different girls together, maybe mori too. as for promise-only collabs, they do have the family feud one coming up and i think bae said they were going to try and make gen collabs more regular

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>>60766696
I mean, I dare people to actually reason and argue against this using facts.

You can't cause its fucking true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60807214
BAU BAU

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know about all that and I'm pretty sure this thread is bait, but I just really love Mumei. All of Promise makes great collab partners with her, too. Moom Love.

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>>60791239
>that sort of invalidates your point.
How so?
He's comparing the two units as a whole, Myth having two girls who are hard workers doesn't offset the other three.
Ame admitted she just left without saying anything. Could have made a message to say "Hey, I'm tired and stressed so I'm going on a break for a couple weeks". Maybe say something in Twitter every couple days just so people stay calm.
Gura could also at least be somewhat active on Twitter and it would go a long way to keeping her audience somewhat sated. Fucking Sana still has more of a presence through her genmates than Gura.
Ina I just forget exists.

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>>60810230
Others not doing it, doesn't somehow bump up Promise. It just means they never had that sort of impact. Myth use to do big stuff more often, Advent are currently more motivated to do big things like their Halloween streams. Promise never did, including last year when they had their moment to really set up and do lots of big collabs. They're content being part timers.

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EL OH EL.

LMAO, even.

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>>60810817
>Advent are currently more motivated to do big things like their Halloween streams.
Uh, so far the Advent Halloween streams are just their normal streams plus a full gen collab at the end of it. I don't really see how that's big at all, even Promise has done mini-"events" like that like the recent relays into gen collabs that they did. Of course we'll have to see what the Advent announcement is. I will say the voice drama was nice.

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>>60810817
Yeah, myth are basically part timers except for mori and kiara

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>>60810817
>>60810968
*forgot to mention, if you're counting the Advent Halloween "event" as a big thing, it's basically no different from Faubae's Halloween collab series last year followed by Fauna being the scriptwriter for the Halloween short animated stories.
Or if you want to talk about collabs, Bae and Ame worked together for the haunted house escape room that was basically the only big branch-wide halloween event.

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>>60810230
No, the drop was quite clearly in September/October 2022, this is separate from her health problems in 2023. Her sub growth went up in the weeks leading up to the concert, regardless of whether that was reflected in CCV, and her Holofes freechat had the second most SCs after the Day 1 performance, right behind Watame.

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>>60766696
You are absolutely correct

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>>60814303
FAUNA SWEEP

[Anonymous No.]

holochads holochads holochads cant you idiots see this is just vshojo and nijisanji baiting us because theyre both just so fucking shit now lets all get in discord and have some gay webcam pekora cosplay sex, whos with me

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>>60766618
Is this what copetards keep saying?

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>>60766618
Wake me up when they all get to 1 million subs

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>>60774495
How is kronii parasocial? Please watch the stream touristfag

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>>60766618
they will never have Gura's mindshare. probably not even Mori's mindshare.

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>>60766618
why is Fauna in the center? she's not really a center person, personality-wise.

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>>60766696
Yet she still can't pull away from Bae

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>>60766696
How do we fix IRyS?

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>>60818893
twice a week GFE ASMR once in jp once in en???

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>>60818893
No you can't, she's already perfect

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>>60809389
>only defended fauna + bae but not kronii

What happened to pairing them up in any order and getting kino you fucking faggot.

Your reasoning is particularly retarded for why fwmc collab don’t work. They make the person 3rd wheel ? So 3 people collab should always be awkward / not work with that logic.

>Nerissa’s personality doesn’t fit well with FWMC because their personalities are opposite

Exposed for not watching streams you retard

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>>60818893
Mandatory sexual intercourse with me every nights or two

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>>60816541
>he doesn't know

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I mean it's obvious that Myth at this point minus Kiara is ceasepool of negativity. This is one of the reasonsI stopped going to HLGG
Happy for Mori right now, though still won't watch her as I find her her annoyingly cringe

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>>60820479
>Modi Seethe post #1590252
Make it less obvious friend

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>>60820585
>Modi Seethe
Who's Modi?
I think you meant to say Mori, and no, I don't freaking even watch her. She is good in certain collabs but that's all I know about her. I find her personality extreme cringe, the same way people find Fauna or IRyS or Mumei cringe occasionally. I am happy she is a part of Hololive and succeeding but that's about it. Why will I freaking hate someone I barley watch?

[Anonymous No.]

postan in the inorganic thread

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>caring about gens
It's stupid. Just pick the cream of each gen and you'll end up with much better groups.
Team GOOD
>Fauna
>Gura
>Mumei
>IRyS
>Fuwamoco
>Bijou
Team BAD
>Mori
>Bae
>Kronii
>Ame
Team KIARA
>Kiara
>Nerissa
Team SLEEPING AID
>Shiori
>Ina

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>>60766618
Only for holo. The 'heartbeat' of en is twtchtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>thread about Council and IRyS prop
>no comparison to Advent/Myth
>Somehow people think it's a bait
What do you people want?

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>>60766618 (OP)
>They legitimately went from being a "flop"
Never was, we still won't forgive you Fatgur Covid

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>>60816273
Anon, I should be saying that to you since you’re the one saying she hates her fans.

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>>60766696
Bae is the backbone as well as the creator of the original councilRyS that then evolved into Promise
Bae is the one who asked for IRyS to be indoctrinated into their council discord, before, IRyS was floating alone in her solo discord called "project hope"
IRyS herself said in both a members stream very early on and also her crunchyroll interview that Bae was the person who tried to include to her everything in order to make sure she wasn't left out
Bae was also the one who heavily opposed the "&IRyS" labelling at every turn and she made it known every time that she has always thought of her as part of Council and doesn't like the implication of her being an addon

Bae was responsible for majority of the work done for GOI trials according to Fauna and she was the one who took the larp fully seriously while Mumei mostly treated it as a joke at the time as demonstrated by her lack of practice
GOI trials were originally going to be with only Bae, Mumei and Fauna but Bae joined VC during a GOI stream IRyS was doing and invited her
Bae was also responsible for the ORK collabs in Japan because she brought her streaming equipment along
Bae was also responsible for month of horrors since it was her idea
Bae was also responsible for Holloween VR collab along with Ame
Bae was also responsible for the CouncilRyS host club stream, the second one whereas the first one was Fauna's idea
Bae was also the one who encouraged Fauna to debut her casual outfit earlier without her because hers was going to be massively delayed and the rest of council wanted a relay to accommodate her
Bae was responsible for the song selection of summertime for RGB during holofes to make Fauna's voice shine
Bae has also helped out with technical stuff, examples include helping Mooms with preparations for her birthday stream and recently with audio settings on her Japan streaming setup or helping IRyS set up her special SmolRyS karaoke stream for her most recent birthday
Bae was also the one who organized the EN x JP gartic phone collab which had the likes of Mumei and Marine
Bae was also behind the planning of the handcam bake-off offcollab where they competed against each other and IRyS was the judge
Bae was the one who selected Angelus for the BaeRyS duet and gave a rough outline for the choreo she wanted to the management
Bae was the one who wanted them to sing a Naruto song but Mumei was the one who chose GO! as the choice. Bae storyboarded their "GO!" performance and assigned the lyrical order while the others were free to add their stuff on top whenever they wanted


Mumei and Fauna both organize stuff too but the leadership duties are mainly a switch between Mumei and Bae with Bae taking more of workload.
Fauna is responsible for the Minecraft raids and the horror voice acted shorts that HoloEN for holoween as well as the first CouncilRyS host club stream (with San)

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>>60822252
Unfathomably BASED stream watcher.

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>>60822252
This
I never understood why people call Fauna the leader of Promise, it all feels like an anti tactic or falseflag to discredit Bae (and Mooms) unless Saplings genuinely believe this

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>>60822252
Giving this anon a well deserved Based and Informed before the Sapling group from /#/ eventually makes their round here again.
All /uuu/ are welcomed.

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Worth mentioning is kroniis massive improvement as a solo streamer. She was great in collabs from day one but compare her solo streams to a year ago

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>>60822252
just wanted to add that ORK means kirin, owl and rat, those were the off collabs during new year and yeah those happenned because they were using bae's laptop.

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>>60766618
It's funny luxiem were the top dogs for like 5 months and killed themselves.

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>>60822252
Thank you anon for giving the rat her credits where due. It always does make me a little sad to see the board ignore or memoryhole everything she does, behind-the-scenes or on stream in order to push their agendas. Bae does so fucking much when you put it like that into retrospect yet you wouldn't remember any of this because her fans don't gloat around either

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>>60822532
Fauna has the demeanor and some qualities that make her look like a leader, BUT she is also very introverted, takes a lot of time to warm up to people, is afraid to take initiative (only recently she started initiating more collabs on her own), and doesn't have that "leader" drive and ambition. She just wants to stream in peace. She doesn't know Japanese either, which is kinda a problem when the leader should be able to communicate with main branch senpais and management sometimes.
Bae on the other hand is very sociable and knows the language, not to mention she is the leader even canonically, so not sure why there is a confusion about that. Maybe because both Fauna and Moom are on similar level of being bigger than Bae, but Fauna has that mom image to her, so at first glance you would stick the leader role on her instead of Mumei. That mirrors Myth situation where Gura is the biggest, but Kiara has been more of a leader figure since forever.

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>>60822252
Oh no no no saplingkeks our response?

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>>60766618
>kronii
>bae
why do homo collabers fanbase keep attaching themselves to our CGDCT? do they really want people to think that their whores are somehow redeemed?

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>>60822252
Someone who watches streams? in the catalogue? color me surprised

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>>60766618
>the heartbeat of the En community(not just Holo En).
They very rarely leave the holobox so I don't really see the impact they have on the greater EN community.

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>>60822252
>in her solo discord
thats pretty sad.

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>>60767507
>she is just dumb and Korean

Many such cases

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>>60823297
based. never forget, never forgive

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>>60822252
>>60822532
>>60823119
I do agree Fauna is far from the leader of CouncilRyS, now Promise, and there's an apparent reason why they put Bae up as the leader of Council from the very start, she knows how to make everything works as a Vtuber unit/generation, and she puts in the work to pull it off.
I'm just going to give Fauna some credits that may or may not have created the illusion that she's the head figure of Promise.
I really think it boils down to Fauna very much excels at the roles she gets for herself
>Horror Skits
>The Experienced Gamer who guides the group
>The girl who can banter back and forth with everybody
>The Mom Image of the bunch
3 out of 4 make her on stream presence stand out, if there's even an ounce of charisma in Promise group of dorks it would be on Fauna, it definitely gives people the impression of her being the leader sometimes when they're together.

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>>60823786
Yeah I suppose this makes sense, what I don't understand is that some of these people clearly watch streams and are well past surface level impressions yet they still propagate this

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>>60822252
baesed

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>>60766696

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>>60820677
>Who's Modi?
Only THE prime minister of the second largest demographic on the planet.
HoloIN when.

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>>60823786
Many people could create that image because of her gaming performance. Minecraft leader, Pokemon Unite training and tournament, GOI records and giving tips to other girls. In that department she indeed might be a leader, but when it comes to Council/Promise as idols, as Hololive generation, as social group, that's where someone else takes the reins.
At this point I'm actually surprised there is no bigger misconception about Kronii being the leader, at least among tourists.

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Why are rrats such Fauna antis?

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>>60826134
Who's antiing Fauna here? do you even know what that word means?

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>>60822252
she's the only proper hire for that dogshit of a gen so it's not a surprise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60826134
this poor ESLtard can't even form a proper sentence KEK

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>>60826218
Nice backpedaling

[Anonymous No.]

>>60826317
????

[Anonymous No.]

>>60825803
oh, it's the CEO of coding, nice nice

[Anonymous No.]

>>60810602
Based hooman unityCHAD

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>>60825893
I don't get why folks are so hellbent on finding the leader of Promise. You don't see this type of argument for the JP units that are considered cohesive like Nepolabo or Bakatare. Each member in Promise has a role and something they excel at that make their group dynamic works. Sure Bae does a lot of organizing but so does Mumei, and Fauna steps up to lead the group whenever she's needed for her skills. IRyS and Kronii don't organize events but whenever they're around they become the center piece for the group dynamic because of their interpersonal skill
They are a good unit because all the members have something to offer, not because they have someone so much more cut above the rest and the others are dogshits

[Anonymous No.]

>>60766618
All of them are still boring and bland so I don't watch them

[Anonymous No.]

>>60826830
Bae's fanbase is self-conscious for whatever reason

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>>60823119
>Bae on the other hand is very sociable and knows the language, not to mention she is the leader even canonically, so not sure why there is a confusion about that
It’s probably this. They made it official in the lore, but A.) Council’s lore was retarded as shit and I bet people were primed to stop taking it seriously, and B.) making it official like that just highlighted how little Bae acts like a stereotypical leader compared to Fauna.

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>>60825893
I think it’s because all the clips with Kronii in them feature her being the buttmonkey of other people fucking with her. Her stock character trope is basically the self-proclaimed rival to a shoujo manga protagonist who always ends up looking like a dumbass when she tries to prove how perfect she is. That kind of character is never the protagonist or leader in anime.
>>60826830
My theory is that in the period between roughly Tempus and Advent, when the branch looked dead, people viewed Fauna as the closest thing to a leader for the gen because the whole branch looked rudderless (except kind of maybe Kiara). Now that Council is doing better, people probably want to find a leader to credit for it. I legitimately think it’s just Advent energizing the whole branch, and it being more noticeable in Council/Promise than Myth since they have more people who are active right now.

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>>60823588
Who's that in the middle

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>>60826830
If you want a genuine answer, it's because of tribalism from the folks over at /#/ who immediately tried to push Fauna and Mumei (and some even IRyS) as the leaders of the group while discrediting Bae at every turn, forgetting the entire point of the creation of Promise is how every single girl has a unique strength she plays to and there's no need for a fucking leader. Those fags are single handedly responsible for any sort of inter-group tribalism among the fanbases because of their clique pushing

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>>60826830
>I don't get why folks are so hellbent on finding the leader of Promise
People had been hellbent on the topic of leader of Myth or leader of EN as a whole, even before Promise was a thing. Was it a good thing? No it's definitely not, but it left an influence on how some people /here/ perceive units within HoloEN, someone gotta be the one to carry the rest in their minds.
KFPfags would hold onto the idea Kiara was the absolute leader of EN with their cold dead hands, even if Kiara said she'd put that title on Ame, and of course on the other side of the conversation were the chumbuds who based everything on Charisma and Popularity while knowing full well Gura hated the idea that she would ever have to lead the pack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60828189
The only /#/ faggot here is you for continuing to be the only one to bring it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60828046
>I legitimately think it’s just Advent energizing the whole branch
it's probably one of the reason but I don't think Promise ever lost their motivation to stream, they were just genuinely busy from 4th Fes into CtW into 3D showcase, now that's everything is done, they're back to the normal pace

[Anonymous No.]

>>60828241
Why does the truth threaten you so much so?

[Anonymous No.]

>>60828241
>defending numberfags
there are genuine CGDCT tribalist cliqueposters in that thread who astroturf the entire board every single day

[Anonymous No.]

>>60810270
You dared and you receive>>60822252

[Anonymous No.]

>>60828327
>>60828434
NTA but I don't care about your fucking thread wars
The fact that you faggots are bumping a blatant bait thread with your numberfag-adjacent slapfighting only reinforces that anyone who reads or posts in that thread should get permabanned and the board would vastly improve

[Anonymous No.]

>>60828607
I agree? I don't care about the thread wars either but denying that it's the posters in that thread who are behind majority of the tribalistic shitposting is naivete on your part. I am fully on board with /#/s and the posters there being banned period

[Anonymous No.]

>>60828748
Ok sure, I can agree with that, but I'm not going to agree that it's solely a numberfag angle though because I've seen this shit in global for ages. It's very obviously pushed by a few saplings who just really don't like Bae and some of them are numberfags and some of them aren't. I will be the first to say that #NotAllSaplings are at fault.
Unrelated but I recognize a few of the posters in this thread from the bait thread about Bae yesterday kek. Including you I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60826830
>finding the leader
Human nature.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60826830
This.
>>60822532
>it all feels like an anti tactic or falseflag to discredit Bae (and Mooms) unless Saplings genuinely believe this
>Saplings
retards from #

[Anonymous No.]

>>60768510
ALTER.... MADE HER LAUG?
VESPER..... COLLABED WITH HER?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I'M FUCKING LOSING MY MIND
SHE'S BEEN SOILED
AAAAAAAAAAAA
FUCKING HOMOSTARS RAPED MY FATHER AND KILLED MY MOTHER

[Anonymous No.]

>>60828434
Does this image terrify you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>60830899
All three my wives btw

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>>60766618
They were never a flop. Fauna was always great. IRyS got good after 4-7 months and Mumei has really come into her own this past 6-8 months. Kronii died a year and a half ago. No one ever watches Bae because her voice is painful, Sans Undertale killed herself after 5 minutes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60830961
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>60830899
shoo shoo numbermonkey

[Anonymous No.]

>>60830899
It sure terrified krokeks and bratkeks
>>60831269
>/#/ lives rent free in his head
the most influential

[Anonymous No.]

>>60831765
shoo shoo numbermonkey, not even your parents love you

[Anonymous No.]

>>60830899
not really, i'm more for unity tho, turf wars take too much effort

[Anonymous No.]

>>60831859
Someone is seething hard kek. Truly the most influential thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>60831919
shoo shoo numbermonkey~
Fatherless numbermonkey~

[Anonymous No.]

>>60822252
holy fucking based, not reading all of that btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>60831765
NTA but you will never amount to anything more than a subhuman shitposter on a mongolian basket weaving forum

[Anonymous No.]

>>60831941
Seethe harder. It'll make you more entertaining

[Anonymous No.]

>>60831987
Here to defend oshi honor huh. Krokek or bratkek?

[Anonymous No.]

>>60832024
shoo shoo numbermonkey? does it really hurt that much being called a numbermonkey? I'm sowwy~

[Anonymous No.]

>>60832132
>oshi honour
Kek what a fucking clown, you never had a father in your life otherwise you wouldn't be such a fucking embarrassment

[Anonymous No.]

>>60832167
That's pathetic, must be a krokek. Try seething a little bit harder

[Anonymous No.]

>>60832230
may you have your orgies with your fellow numbermonkeys in your thread, nobody else really loves you after all :(

[Anonymous No.]

>>60832314
Still pathetic. Try harder. You have 5 mins before i get bored

[Anonymous No.]

>>60832361
I'm done hurting your feelings, I'm a good man after all, take pity on the rabbit as they say

[Anonymous No.]

You two need to get a room and stop shitting up every Promise thread in the catalog.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60832466
I was just having some light fun teasing a wandering numbermonkey, I'm done playing with him

[Anonymous No.]

>>60832414
Lame. Even a bot would do better than you. Maybe you should use them again like how you botted her Ender Lilies stream kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>60832503
>Done playing
Yeah it's time to wash those tears off your face and fire up the bots again

[Anonymous No.]

>>60832503
It takes two to tango and he's unironically too retarded to feel any shame so honestly idk why you do it. He's also ban evading(?) it looks like lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>60826830
It’s a rehash of the “leader of Myth” shitposting. You don’t see it with JP because either the people making those posts don’t watch JP, or the answer is so obvious that it can’t be used for shitflinging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60832711
Eh, I had fun making a numbermonkey seethe and the thread gets closer to bump limit, you already know the schizo who's running it won't let it die anyways but I hope I'm wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>60832790
>/#/ still lives in his head
And I thought you was done lol.

[Anonymous No.]

and I continue to make him seethe lmfao

[Anonymous No.]

>>60832860
That FauMeiRyS pic hurt him hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>60823119
Smallbrains often end up as the leaders of society. Hence the state of "society".

[Anonymous No.]

>>60832790
Ah I guess you're right.
Just spam lewds or pics maybe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60766735
>muh backstab autism
have sex

[Anonymous No.]

>>60833131
Sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>60833000
105-IQ hands typed this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60833275
nta but I'd appreciate your spiciest Fauna pics if you have any

[Anonymous No.]

>>60828239
>>60832736
I feel like Myth and Promise are opposites in that regard. For Myth, I can see a legitimate argument for everyone being the leader besides Ina. For Promise, it's the opposite; none of them really feel like a leader.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60823588
https://youtu.be/z5OXON8vIaA