/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Are vtubers entitled to free promo for commissioning art?

[Anonymous No.]

>>60725736
Professional artist here, I never include client work in my portfolio.

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>>60725736

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>>60725801
>Professional artist here
kys

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>>60725736
Why should the artist post it? Couldn't those vtwitterfags just post their commissioned art and @ the artist? I swear xitter shit are becoming more absurd these days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60725736
I commission vtuber fetish art that appeals to ONLY me.
I tell them the hashtags if they wanna post it for more views and just tag me as Anonymous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60725736
I mean the artist is not in the wrong, if you care about the artist big name this much just post it yourself and write something like
>Got this amazing art by @XXXXXXX
His fans will see it

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>>60725801
Is your twitter your portfolio?

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>>60725834
Who's this moron?

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>>60725801
Another professional artist who also works as an art director here. You are a literal bitch faggot for not putting your commissioned art up on your social media. Your submitted portfolio needs to be a curated collection of your best work that highlights your versatility within the role you are applying for. If I then go to your social media and only see your portfolio work, I toss your shit in the bin. You don't create art for anything but building your portfolio and/or only draw shit you are not proud of. Regardless, you're a bitchfaggot who does not belong in the industry.

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>>60725736
Dear diary, I can't get free clout. I must post about it...

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>>60725736
The artists is absolutely entitled to manage their own branding, which includes not promoting potential menhera whores/drug addicts/pedos.

Crying about it on X validates the artist's decision to stay the fuck away from your mental illness.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60726377
The guy behind Fuwamoco's first ever yab. The twins basically exploited their fanbase trying to get people to do work for free, he called them out on it and the entire fanbase turned on him for telling the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60725736
>Are vtubers entitled
Yes
>to free promo for commissioning art?
No
If she's smart, she'll use that angry energy to fuel her career. Otherwise she just bitch and whine about it on the internet as she fades into irrelevance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60726680
Let it go Joshua. It's been weeks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60726680
Joshua was like the Dark Night in that moment
Not the hero we wanted but the one we deserved

[adrians_reality !!i7RKlsm7o0Z No.]

Artists can promote themselves however they want. Even foolishly. I think it's perhaps foolish to think this way, the only thing you should consider is whether the art is good or not. If the art matches what you're trying to continue selling. Everything else is pretty much blind.

If it happens that posting a piece of art will give other people a boost, that only adds to the power you have as a worker. It makes you more valuable for others. It creates a good history. Also, it costs you nothing. You should never hold back a painless, costless action that benefits others. Doing so shows that you're ruled by jealousy.

In your example, it does not seem the chuuba cares about promotion, rather than feeling insignificant. She's an insecure woman who encountered a reminder that she has low worth in the world. Of course, rather than taking it as a moment to reflect and draw up a plan, she chooses to complain and cry in public, perhaps awkwardly in front of the very artist, to immaturely signal a "fuck you" to him, while farming praise from lying desperate simps telling her that she's worthy -- all without actually taking any real action to increase her low worth.

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>>60726852
What the fuck are you even saying?

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>>60726759
Josh was right. If you hire an experienced developer who really knows their shit, they could probably make/fix something in an hour. They could do it in an hour because they've been coding for 20 fucking years. You don't pay that developer by the hour as if you've freelanced some fucking pajeet, that developer deserves their high wage. Getting a musician to make a little skit, even if it doesn't take them that long, is still asking a skilled person for something that they're only able to do so quickly...because they're skilled. For a 2/3view it's fine, but not at the height Fuwamoco were around this time. Josh was right.

[adrians_reality !!i7RKlsm7o0Z No.]

>>60727059
Imagine my post started out with this greentext line:

>you're not famous enough to be on my portfolio

[Anonymous No.]

>>60727158
Repeating it over and over won't make it true, Josh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60727187
Ok so you're just a salad chewing faggot

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>>60725736
People just don't understand tact...or know when to shut up and let it go.
There is a time and place for everything. Change the sad face to a surprise Pikachu face would be more fitting. Surprised to receive backlash for being tactless. Surprised to receive more backlash when doubling down and not seeing it by 'your' way.

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>>60725736
Aah, the consequences of one's own actions.

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>>60725736
This lady got 10k followers, although that's indeed not very famous, but I do wonder what's that artist's standard line to post the art in his/her twitter, 100k followers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>60725736
Post where in artist profile? I don't know, If you commission something is for (You) uses not the artist, so what is the problem?
>Also
I'm ESL so maybe I misunderstand something

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>>60727158
You really need to stop coming here and letting this live rent free in your head, Joshua. You were already btfo weeks ago. This isn't healthy.

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>>60727344
you could use a salad fat fuck

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>>60725736
That's really strange. Usually you have to specifically request or even pay an artist extra to not post your commission onto the internet since more public art = more clicks and potentially more money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60727158
Anon fan contests for different things have been around since the beginning of entertainment. You're acting like they're personally extorting their fans when its the same type of thing entertainers have done for decades

[Anonymous No.]

>>60727692
Chuuba's probably a clout chaser. And a pity chaser.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60727692
It's a new thing with vtuber commissions. Artists saying they "feel used" for clout so they refuse to post publicly the art they got commissioned for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60727852
>retards do retarded thing for long time
>it therefore isn’t retarded
Are you religious?

[Anonymous No.]

>>60727158
They wanted something made by their fans for sentimental value. Sure they *could* pay someone but it helps to build a sense of community when streamers recognize their fans like this. Or do you think Shiori (and previously Calli) were exploiting their fans by showing their fanart/remixes?

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>>60725736
this is strictly a western/non JP artist problem, i've commissioned much bigger jp artists to don't think twice about reposting skebs to my 2view oshi's art tag (without me even asking or linking to their profile a lot of the time), im sure if i asked it would happen even more frequently, and then there are SEA or western artists who will only post to art tags if they're big brand or high 3view vtubers, some of the big JPs even followed my oshi afterwards

[Anonymous No.]

>>60729285
oh and i call it a "problem" but i personally dont really care about it hence why i dont ask for it, but i know it makes the oshi happy to get a bit more spotlight

[Anonymous No.]

>>60725736
This is why I want AI art to be normalized. I want these artists living on the streets

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>>60729534
what does that have to do with the OP? chuuba being a menhera is the artist's fault?

[Anonymous No.]

>>60729534
>No one talking about ai
>AI art! Fuck the artists
Aifags are the absolute scum of the earth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60725834
holy fucking coping retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>60725834
>fans willing to do it for free
>joshua : wtf im not consented

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>>60728160
>fans want to give something to their oshi
>somehow this is explotation on "artist"
Keep crying joshua, kay yu would laugh at you too.

[Anonymous No.]

nobody should comment on that fuckin tweet before actually knowing what was said, in which context and word for word, because there's things that both sides get right and get wrong, the real question here is which one was more of a bitch to the other, and publicly crying like this only gets you bitch points

[Anonymous No.]

>>60725736
yes if its part of the deal and make it very clear (plus save any evidence), if for some reason the artist doesnt comply with the deal burn its name to the ground.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60726680
jingle submission wasn't even a proper contest, the only prize meant to be was getting chosen by them, if that didn't make you happy then just kindly stay to the side and fuck off, "exploiting" would mean that every single vtuber who shows a new costume silhouette is exploiting all the people who draw predictions, ifuckingmagine that concept

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>>60727158
Joshua just take the L

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>>60727158
You're a fucking sped Josh. This was a simple contest for fans, especially those who AREN'T talented musicians to try their hand at it. Let's say they offered a cash prize or proper compensation. You know what'd happen.
People like YOU who don't watch them, who don't care about them, who just want free clout, cash and attention by having your name associated with a Holo talent would apply and while it would be a musically sound end result, there'd be no heart, no passion, no soul. It'd be empty. It'd be meaningless.
But brownskins like you don't understand that kind of concept, only concerned about your back pocket like the little rat you are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60726435
>Your submitted portfolio needs to be a curated collection of your best work that highlights your versatility within the role you are applying for
It is, my personal work is of higher quality than anything clients pay me or give me time for.
>b-but then you're false advertising!
No, I work in games. Clients usually want dogshit done in a pinch that meets their loony AD specs. None of that stuff is particularly portfolio-worthy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60725736
this is so weird, normally artists or just about any creator you commission posts their shit publicly unless the person pays them NOT to. Weird that the artist is doing that.

[Anonymous No.]

>cramps
anon was right
they are on their period right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>60732262
do dogs have periods

[Anonymous No.]

Why is everyone on the modern internet so money-hungry?

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>>60725736
The artist is an asshole if they told you that unprompted. You're the asshole if you pestered them to highlight your art on their twitter.

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>>60732371
welcome to post covid era

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>>60726015
It's pretty commonplace for artists to post commissioned work
It's kind of weird that this one decided they wouldn't because the client doesn't have clout

[Anonymous No.]

>>60725834
This is the lazy eyed mothefucker. Where was he looking?

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>>60725736
I'm on the music side rather than art. I've worked with a range of clients ranging from people with several hundred of thousands of subscribers to less than 100 who wanted their first song. (In reality, I'm a 9-5 corporate grunt oji-san who does music for the fun instead of money, so I just take projects that interest me for a pretty cheap price relatively.)

I tweet all projects I create whether with big/small vtubers/clients or my own personal creatiosn, because I'm proud of them. Vtubers don't 'deserve' free promo. If they're not paying for something, they aren't entitled to it. But I will post it, because I like my work.

Exceptions if the client is a shithead, because then I just want to get the project commitments done and peace the fuck out.

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>>60732775
So what if it's commonplace?
Is it really necessary to follow each and every norms of twitter?

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>>60732327
Yes it's colloquially called "going into heat". Most people get their dogs spayed but if you don't female dogs will bleed during this time and display extreme horniness to male dogs and such. They will whine at the door and try to get outside to go mate.

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>>60733704
I mean, if you're an artist on social media, what logic is there to withholding work you've done?

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>Pippa 3.5k
what
she keeps slowly raising her ccv

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>>60733704
Because he already wasted time making it, he hurt a poor girl’s feelings by hiding it, and there is quite literally zero downsides to him posting it? Do you have a good argument as to why he WOULD want to hide it? Or are you taking the non-logical side just to feel unique?

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>>60726680
>>60727158
let it rest joshua you hypocritical faggot, didnt you perform in that sonic conference for free? for fun, for that fanbase amirite

[Anonymous No.]

>>60733956
>>60734474
>logic
What is this argument?
>I created art, therefore I must post it
retards

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>>60731745
>I work in games
So do I, and I can guarantee that you're missing out on the best jobs because the art directors of prospective projects look at your social media look at your shit and see you as a "professional art robot" and that's assuming you're not lying about it.

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>>60727518
Hololive or Nijisanji probably

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>>60725834
People like this are the reason I hope AI takes all their jobs.

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>>60734838
If you're doing art as a career or hoping to turn it into a career, you're actually crazy to not post the work you do

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>>60726680
KYS ETA?

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>>60725801
>>60726435
Professional autist here, I have my own Stable Diffusion setup at home. Go brew me another latte, you assclowns.

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>>60735141
>professional art robot
Maybe that's what anon wants.
Kinda sad desu.

If your work is good, they go to you for art, not for your clients, duh.

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>>60729766
Artists thinking they're hot shit. Get a real job. Soon a robot will be able to do what you do faster and better.

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>>60735429
I'm the artist you're replying to, and same, I love Stable Diffusion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60727158
Common SEA monkey L Take

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>>60735141
>I can guarantee that you're missing out on the best jobs
Nah, I don't. CG artists' best work is just miles above what's feasible in production. Go look at what's on Artstation, and compare it to what ships in videogames.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60727158
Josh was right, you're right, and it doesn't matter how much all the braindead sheep here or elsewhere screech and try to cancel him, you and him will still be right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60735141
Also nice to see a fellow gamedev autist, hope you're not a holo or niji fan.

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>>60734838
What reason would he have to hide it? He’s hurting this girl’s self-esteem by doing so, and posting it wouldn’t negatively affect him in any way

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>>60725736
Playing Devils Advocate here, while its a nice gesture the artist is under no obligation to serve as an advertiser for anyone they do commissions for, it's their choice at the end of the day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60726578
>X
Why are you promoting on porn sites?

[Anonymous No.]

>>60725801
Just say your name so i will make sure u never get any other work.

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>>60725736
100% chance the artist didnt say anything

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>>60732371
Everyone is poor now thanks to inflation, and it's not going to be fixed until the entire economy takes another great depression.

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>>60735487
Same with your job

[Anonymous No.]

Can't wait for Joshua's live suicide

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>>60732775
>because the client doesn't have clout
I think thats really the key element, assuming this is actually what happened its kinda retarded to only be against posting artwork if the vtuber the art is based on doesn’t have an arbitrary level of popularity. Either post the artwork or don’t, it doesn’t have to be a numbers thing.

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>>60726435
based

[Anonymous No.]

Some commissions are just really weird. I don't want people to get the wrong idea of me. Also, there are a lot of these low follower "graphic designer" accounts on Twitter that shit out AI-generated garbage and I don't want to attract them in my DMs by shouting out a commission for someone with equally low followers.

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>>60741108
Why do a commission you're embarrassed of?

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>>60729236
it's funny because Mori was exactly in that situation before she was Mori, an enthusiastic fan with a creative's skillset doing free shit for their fav band
then they started giving her actual jobs when the free shit popped off, and then all of that gave her an entryway to Holo
and Mori paid it down by giving people like Ririsya or Patterns similar entry way by the RIP contest

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>>60736474
that's not devils advocate, that's the most rational take

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>>60729534
sorry anon, there is not and never will be an "idea guy" position open for your favorite video game company

[Anonymous No.]

AI will beat shitty artists because it doesn't have an inflated ego in comparison to the quality of work.

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>>60725736
Sounds like we've got a case of clout goblins all around. vTuber commissioned art without any clout of their own and expected for an "included" bump from the artist and the artist doesn't want to give this person clout.

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>>60727158
Just STFU and Kill yourself my man

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>>60730875
>"exploiting" would mean that every single vtuber who shows a new costume silhouette is exploiting all the people who draw predictions
Would be one thing if the jingle was intended to be a one off but didn't they intend to use it during basically every stream? I think an asset used that frequently should be paid for.

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>>60725736
idk man, if someone is paying you to draw something the least you could fucking do it post it on your god damn twitter.

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>>60725834
What a tl;dr tedious nig
>I didn wan canchel any1..
bull
>thanks to those that handheld my retarded ass and explained what was going on instead of attacking poor me!
oh like how he calmly expressed his reservations rather than fly off the handle in public like a typical xitter troon?
lmao faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>60744615
If someone is paying you to draw something for them the least you can do is draw something for them.

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>>60727518
>I do wonder what's that artist's standard line to post the art in his/her twitter
Clout goblins man. Most creators won't retweet for anyone smaller than themselves because "free clout" is somehow a fucking problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60744615
It's not something you should expect even if you pay. But it's not something the artist should guard with their life either. It's a minor red flag.

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>>60727518
Scratch what I just said, that's a major red flag in that case

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>>60725834
The funniest thing about this was how Mori unfollowed him on Twitter and changed the jingle he made in her current streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60725834
It doesn't matter if he was right or wrong, he's getting shadowbanned by the industry for throwing a tantrum on twitter

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>>60744770
Retweeting a smaller creator occasionally gives you additional clout. It's just not numberfag clout, it's actual clout.

[Anonymous No.]

Before TheArtGun did IronMouse, Veibae and Snuffy models, there were other Vtubers that were showcased before omitted because she wanted to cut ties with (those that are not of fame and wealth) crowd.
Its called catering to the personel clients that are of wealth and producing a product that is worth over $1K+.

There's reasons why she wouldn't showcase other models of Vtubers that have less than 2K followers. If the Vtubers that were not mentioned by the artist on their ArtStation, Twitter, and other art gallery websites. You can safely assume that some artists don't want to acknowledge the poor riff raff to those of influential, wealthy, popularity and circumstancial.

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>>60745230
Doesn't that just mean they want a prettier portfolio? Obviously the cheaper models aren't gonna look as good as the pricier ones side-by-side hence they just show the nicer models.

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>>60725736
I'm an artist and I haven't posted some commissions simply because I don't want to but I'd never say why (I'm not a professional anyway and don't care about a portfolio). Saying it's because the client isn't popular is straight up mean and unnecessary. Hard to believe this happened but knowing xe/xemtter I wouldn't be surprised if it came out that this was true.

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>>60745447
Having a prettier portfolio of recent works is alright but not showcasing the projects near the beginning of one's career is quite damning to one's reputation between client and artist. Especially if they were a long time supporter. Omitting any models of that they did in the past to the lessor known Vtubers shows that they little care for the successes of their client and only prefer those of influence and fame because they have a larger piggybank.

Having poor clients does not make a Artist successful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60745567
Advertisement is a game of selective honesty and there are many strategies. In all honesty, streaming inflates the value of the numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60727158
If you have 20 years of experience in music and you are crying for pennies means that you are a talentless hack.

[Anonymous No.]

Only posting rich and influential client commissions means you are a bad artist, if you were a good artist then all your works would be quality, and if that was the case then you wouldn't hide your work.

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>>60745161
Not wrong, and even if you were, I don't see what the problem is. Worst case scenario, if you take the 2 seconds to boost them and nothing happens, was that 2 seconds really so valuable when you already probably spent an hour or more on them? Lord knows if I DO make it and this is how you're behaving now, I'm not doing you any favors later.

Make it make sense holy shit.

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>>60745802
I dunno, kind of strikes me as the same as omitting that you worked as a sailor in favor of more room for your academic merits at Harvard on a CV. A lot of times, that's what you need to do. Sometimes, the sailor post would have gotten you the job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60746049
No this would be like omitting all the different people you cooked for except for listing only Guy Fieri when applying for a personal chef job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60745230
What's your beef with TheArtGun? For all I know, she seems very reputable and she lists all the works she done.

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>>60746453
I don't think she listed any of her pre-2022 works of smaller/insignificant Vtuber models she has done. Aside from that, she uses PiPuProductions as a means to showcase which features nothing but 2.5K+ Follower Vtubers in her list. If anything, she is one of the more sought after Vtubers to get a model from but due to the overwhelming sought from everyone she decided it is best to be making works for only the best of the best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60746389
You basically said the same analogy though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60746621
She has.

[Anonymous No.]

If the person who drew your vtuber model doesn't posy that they did your vtuber model, citing that you aren't popular enough, is it fine to claim you made it? If it bothers the artists then they should post that they did it, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>60746695
The difference is that in the first analogy the sailor position wouldn't be related to a marketing position or whatever, it would only be useful if you were doing something related to the working field of "sailor"

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>>60746732
They will issue a DMCA claim and pretty much refute the fact that the art created in said media is theirs along with transcripts/receipts/posts/texts and among other things that the Client/Artist communicated regarding the commission.

All in all. The Artist will win ESP if they have a Terms of Conditions/Services behind their work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60746834
And then show that they are a clout chasing faggot who only cares about clout and money. Good way to kill their own career.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60746801
I thought you might have a point before that post. That's not a great angle at all. You don't have a point, you just wanted to disagree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60725834
Fuwamoco calling out this retard indirectly in their morning show made me kneel so hard.

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>>60746923
Anon, Idols are literally there to make money pretending to be people GF/BF. : / Its nothing new in the Vtuber scene. EVERYONE seeks to make a career and be *SPECIAL* in the Vtuber scene. Even more so to get soooooooo popular they get featured into Video Games, Animation, Movies, Songs, Manga, and ETC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60746964
My point is that your analogy isn't specific enough when relating to the subject at hand. The subject is about artists and their art, that is their business. Same as a chef and what they cook and who they cook for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60747017
I'm saying that the artist is the one that would show they are only clout chasing and only about money. Not the vtuber.

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>>60747120
They both are clout chasing and money anon. That's the joke. No one does these things without profit/fame. No one does this as a purely hobby. As soon as you agree to Twitch/Kick/TikTok/Youtube affiliation agreement. You are actively NOT a Hobby Creationist. You are seeking to make a profit out of works contained in media.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60745230
>some artists don't want to acknowledge the poor riff raff to those of influential, wealthy, popularity and circumstancial.
This really doesn't make sense to me. Beyond confidentiality requests, I can see dropping outdated/substandard work or assets/people you no longer have an association with, but I seriously don't see why the popular wouldn't seek you out just because you've done work for the less popular, unless the work you've done for the less popular is notably sub-par, in which case I gotta wonder about your level of professionalism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60747057
Just stop and rethink this. Terrible angle. Erase the habit of disagreeing to disagree. I will say no more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60725834
Is this comment still exist? Would love to read the replies

[Anonymous No.]

>>60747212
You can be out to earn money and not portray yourself as an asshole that only cares about famous or rich people, especially if you are interacting with a fucking client.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60731745
>my personal work is of higher quality than anything clients pay me or give me time for.
Why the fuck would anyone want to pay you then? lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>60747256
Ironically that is what you are doing right now, but suit yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

Memes and Boobs. That is what makes a Vtuber successful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60725736
If I was an artist with reach and a literal who commissioned me art I'd charge extra if they wanted me to post their commission onto my socials. You paid for a piece of artwork, not advertisement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60744985
WTF I love Mori now

[Anonymous No.]

As an artist with ~50k followers, what exactly would be the reasoning to not post commissioned art? You just post it and it prints retweets and maybe gets you more followers, or it doesn't cause they're a nobody. There's no harm.
The only rational explanation I can think of is that they're obsessed with metrics and don't want a "bad" post, or they just don't think the vtuber fits the content they go for which feels petty at best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60745148
As he should be. Children making a mess should rightfully be escorted off business premises until they learn to behave themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60752762
Could be because they don't want to be a metaphorical billboard for anyone who commissions them. At some point your art will be secondary and everyone will commission you for mainly the metric boost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60752762
It doesn't matter anymore since X is going to be Paid only use by December.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60727158
This isn't commieland where people get paid something because they feel like they deserve it.
This is a market, and when someone does the same job as you for free you'll have to deal with not getting money for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60753605
But commieland always boils down to "we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us"

[Anonymous No.]

>>60746991
when did they do this

[Anonymous No.]

>>60730875
Could they have done more? Probably.
Did they have to do more? No.
If you're willing to work for exposure, you're the problem, not the person you provide to. Marine did a great job handling her submission contest years ago where she said the best meme created about her would receive personalized artwork drawn by Marine herself - but again, that's NOT Fuwamoco's obligation to do.
If praise from your oshi and the knowledge that your work will accompany them most likely until their graduations or until a new jingle is chosen is not enough for you, this contest was never intended to be for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60725801
>>60725736
And this is why they use AI art

[Anonymous No.]

>>60726435
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>60727158
They aren't forcing you to do it Josh. Volunteer work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60725736
>artist who is probably much more popular than the vtuber doesn't want to give her free marketing
I don't see the problem here. She paid for the art, not for it to be advertised on his profile as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>60731745
>my personal work is of higher quality than anything clients pay me or give me time for.
So, you are saying he is right when he said that most of what you draw is actually garbage.

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>>60747017
>Idols are literally there to make money pretending to be people GF/BF
You don't know what an Idol is.

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>>60756473
Posting a commissioned art would still help their portfolio. Let's be honest here, the only reason an artist wouldn't post a commission is because they half-assed their shit and felt like it would ruin their portfolio.

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>>60725834

wow, like, just dont participate mate

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>>60725736
Yes.
How else are you supposed to get noticed in a sea of vtubers where only the already established big names are basically getting everything handed to them?
We already know that models don't get you shit and that streaming/tweeting gets you nothing because of the algorithm.
The only way to get any form of attention from social media is to throw out as many """hot takes""" as possible and hope that it sticks.

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>>60731898
Maybe they just didn't like the piece, but the client did? Artists are absolutely not required to promote the art they create for commissions on their social media, the ones that do it are choosing to. This one chose not to.

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>>60757788
>Let's be honest here, the only reason an artist wouldn't post a commission is because they half-assed their shit and felt like it would ruin their portfolio.
Or maybe the commission was just lame. You're not required to proudly endorse every single piece of work you're paid to produce.

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>>60725736
Now i can see why people want AI art to succeed. So that scumbag artists can be put in their place.

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>>60759056
Tell me how would a vtuber thank the commission of an ai art? Do they need to thank the creator? The program? Or the complete string of text?

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>>60725736
Nope. I will say though that the artist I commissioned asked me if she could include my avatar in her portfolio before she had even finished it, so they're obviously not all like this.

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>>60731745
>Clients usually want dogshit done in a pinch that meets their loony AD specs.
The saddest part is he's actually right.

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>>60725736
obviously not and the artist doesn't need to even state their policy about it nor even have an official policy. if the vtuber cares about that they should ask the artist when commissioning

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>>60726435
I hope AI replaces you both

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>>60725736
I saw this, and really wanted more context which I dont think the poster provided. How did this even come up? If they were just having normal comms communication and the artist just went
>Btw, i'm not posting this because you're a nobody
Then that's pretty randomly dickish. But if the commissioner was openly inquiring and pushing for the artist to post it, then I can see why they'd just be honest; and the commissioner should take it as a lesson to not expect people you work with to do things they never agreed to (even if you assumed it went without saying). It's like those indies who get models commisioned off artists, then assume they'll give them as much attention as their far more popular children afterwards (i.e. fanart and the like)

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>>60725834
I don't really follow FWMC too strongly. What's the context of this? He's saying something really obvious about corporations exploiting free labor for exposure, but I'd like to understand the specific situation this is referencing.

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>>60764512
Fuwamoco made a fan contest for a 2-10 second jingle for their morning show and he went ballistic

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>>60764512
>FWMC hold a contest to choose a short sub 10 second jingle to play at the start of their morning shows
>Musician in the image complains about it on Twitter
>He's previously done work for Mori, making an intro song she uses on her starting stream
>Next Mori stream, she's removed it and is using one of her own songs instead; doesnt say why

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>>60755153
https://youtu.be/dZwzqM4UOME?t=1117
>We don't want your jingle if you're not a ruffian
>It's about passion

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>>60764512
It's a case of
>WHY DO THEY GET ATTENTION
>AND NOT ME!?
>ITS NOT FAIR
>I WANT THE VTUBER TO SAY MY NAME BUT I DONT WANT TO PAY OR DO ANYTHING TO HAVE IT HAPPEN
Or something like that.
Max beta cuck energy. It's the same thing that happens on 4chan when people meltdown because a drawfriend posts unsigned art on 4chan

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>>60764893
kek, thanks for the explanation

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>>60764893
>>Next Mori stream, she's removed it and is using one of her own songs instead; doesnt say why
Perhaps I've judged her too harshly. That's pretty fucking chad, actually.

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>>60767465
Yep, Mori gained some points from me too.

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>>60765135
MY BASED WIFES

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>>60765135
Holy shit these dogs are based.
Perhaps I should watch them.

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>>60725736
only if they're holo