How do we save hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>coco graduated
>popular is decreasing rapidly
>no more gens recently

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You have to understand, part of Kiryu Coco leaving is because she was unhappy with the current hololive management and how she couldnt express herself like she did before. Haachama is also having this struggle.

Would you want your Kaichou to be unhappy, create low quality content for the next year until she finally graduates but at that point people gave up on her?

Or rather while she still has enough energy, uses whats left of it to create the greatest graduation ceremony in history of hololive and leaves as a heroine?

Kiryu Coco may have left Hololive, but her legacy will never fade. Its because of her that english speaking audience picked up on vtubers and its because of her HoloEN and independent english vtubers spawned. Be happy for her, because her legacy will continue for a long time, if not hololive, some other indie will continue passing the torch

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>>5995319
Have a (You)

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>>5995319
She's being forced to retire due to the Taiwan shit.

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>>5996412
Nobody forced her to retire. She has been talking about graduating for 3-4 months. Seriously compare her in 2020 where she made asacoco news, the hair removal stream, countless porn jokes. She even had large projects that were never realized because of cover.
In 2021 hololive changed. They had to tone down on the controversial content, haachama constantly taking hiatus, cocos content was reduced to meme reviews and a couple of talk streams here and there, hell the cover management DIDNT LET HER COLAB WITH HOLOEN until she announced her graduation. It was only then they gave her more freedom, but at that point it was too little to late.

Im not saying zhangs didnt have a place in this, they probably did, but only small part. The major part was definitely the "Dont stream anything that would get us demonetized"

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>>5995851
this. Very well put anon, have a extra drink for me tonight as well, cheers.

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>>5995851
I'm still holding out for the possibility that she earns enough money on her own terms since Cover won't be taking a cut anymore that she can buy out her character and run it independently - and then pave the way for the other girls to do so too.

Basically start 'Holohouse' but as her own company.

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>>5997575
I'd say it was a combination of factors..

One: YouTube being virgin-kun to the max and freaking out over the slightest sign of cleavage, bikini models or pantyshots like some kind of puritanical retard. This meant having to curtail content to meet YouTube's shitty standards.

Two: The Taiwan incident. Specifically the fact that it caused so much harassment that Cover staff and management had to step in and take a more hands-on approach in order to protect their talents. The unfortunate byproduct of this is that by increasing the oversight, you also put a bunch of upper management geezers, who know fuckall about the actual business but are simply shareholders who like to throw their weight around, in charge of decision-making.

The harassment from the bugs might have made Coco upset, but I'd argue it was those two aforementioned things that played off of one another and proceeded to stifle and choke her creative approach and her ambitions. She probably planned a lot of shit, made a lot of arrangements and put her own money into things, only for some dumbass suit who never even uses the internet to tell her she can't do it.

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>>5998133
Thanks for the explanation anon. Very well put.
I’m hardly ever on /vt/, but Coco’s story made me want to pay a visit. I have watched few of her streams and I really liked them. It’s sad she’s gone.

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>>5995319
>no more gens recently
I have a feeling they'll announce EN2/Vsingers soon, they just want to wait a while until after Coco's graduation to do it.

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>>5995319
Holostars EN

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>>5998397
She hinted about gen 6 but Yagoo also said quality more than quanity.

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>>5998397
Gen 6 will be stealth chinese. They'll stream for a month in Japanese before revealing their plans for 50% Chinese content. Vsingers/EN2 will debut at this time to distract normie fans and soften the blowback.

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Why would they want new gens?
Currently they are making so much money anyway.
Unless there's niche left to be filled, else you are just introducing competitions within the company and will burn out each others trying to compete with each others and drag each others down.
Wait until their contents become stale, and the viewers increments are slowing down, only then introduce some new gen mates.

EN2 need to be out asap though, since it's a known fact.
The longer it takes, the more hype there will be, and the more disappointment there is when it couldn't meet everybody's unrealistic overhyped expectations.

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>>6001203
I typed a bunch of shit to reply to you but I already know this is bait anyway

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>>5995319
Hololive is dead.
The one who graduated was not Coco but those who remained and will now start their slow death.

Black companies don't deserve our support:
https://youtu.be/t3T57HYEvV4

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>>5995319
The best way to help it is to let it die.

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>>6003373
ogey

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I've been busy as fuck so I'm just starting to watch again. I was curious if Haachama made it to the graduation stream or any events? She said on twitter that she'd be there, but that means fuck-all.

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>>5997575
Taiwan is the real China.
Xi Jinping is a pretender on a brittle throne.

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>>6001456
>EN2 need to be out asap though, since it's a known fact.
>The longer it takes, the more hype there will be, and the more disappointment there is when it couldn't meet everybody's unrealistic overhyped expectations.

Real talk for a moment, but can we appreciate the difficulty and stress that no doubt comes along with having to keep a keen eye on trends and the highs-and-lows of hype in order to find just the right moment to announce something?

Not only that but to also have everything ready to go for said announcement so you make it on time? Especially on the internet where shit is turbulent as fuck and moods shift day to day. That shit'll turn a man grey trying to ride the wave.

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>>5995319
>How do we save hololive
>we

As if anyone here has the power to do that.

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>>5996412
Cover is becoming shit now which is why she left, she isn’t down with that family friendly content bullshit. Now that’s what cover is appealing too

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>>5996412
In a sense. Management is being a bitch to her because of Taiwan shit. And in turn, she graduates because management is being a bitch

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>>5995319
better save coco's phase-connect.

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>>5997988
>>6005879
what about Coco earning so much money that she can become the major share holder of hololive, then come back as a hero, changes everything that is wrong and things are really happy, having defeated the system and the chinks?

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>>5995319
>How do we save hololive

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Wouldn't it make more sense for a virtual idol company to do away with graduations and just allow returns, even if temporary? I mean in Coco's situation she left because it sounds like she wanted more but for people on good terms isn't that possible? Anything from maybe once a week to a month or even only special events could be a good compromise. At that point you could even consider it gig work.

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>>6015041
>"How do I tell people I know nothing about idols and idol culture without saying I know nothing about idols and idol culture?"

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Seriously where the flying fuck is EN gen2? It's like it got memoryholed

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>>6016249
I don't understand a company throwing away free money. Even in sports they may keep you on a team well into your 30s-40s if you can still do it and are better than the alternative.

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>>6004002
>plebbit
Why would I go to a site managed by (((quikes)))?
kek

[Anonymous No.]

Hi /vt/! I found out about this place from r/hololive lol! I'm a pretty new hololive fan so I was just wondering who this Coco person is?

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>>5997988
>Basically start 'Holohouse' but as her own company
This is a really bad idea. Streamer houses usually don't end well.

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>>5997988
Anon money is never going to be an issue for her again as long as she puts out content as Kson.

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>>6009968
She made it to the graduation stream, but not the summer festival.

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>>6016328
She is allowed to return and continue to reprise her role as Coco. If you had watched Coco's interview with YAGOO, you would know this.

Graduation is a general term for "person is leaving the company" irrespective of circumstances. Coco's case was amicable enough that she can come back. They even gave the option to Aloe, but she's too menhera for her own good.

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ITT: REDDITARDS VOICING THEIR CONCERN BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DO IT ON PLEBBIT

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[Anonymous No.]

Anonchama, wait within the next few weeks until Cover unveils its next grandmaster plan for the upcoming months to fill in the void.

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>>6016811
There might be a cameo here and there but dont expect a return. Not unless Hololive lets Coco do whatever she wants, and thats not happening

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>>6017176
It's not a cameo if she is allowed to return as an alumn. That's just common idol culture shit. As for outright going back to streaming, it's up to Cover to facilitate it and Coco to decide that it is worth her time and energy.

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>>6019610
There is no logic on going back if the reason why you left in the first place was because the management severely limited your freedom of expression

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>>5995319
>>popular is decreasing
I'm sorry what?