>nobody is forcing lonely men to spend all their money on GFE vtubers >nobody is forcing drug addicts to spend all their money on drugs at least you can ween off drugs, you can't ween off being a human being

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Anonymous Tue Oct 3 20:59:11 2023 No.59794535 [Reply] [Original]

>nobody is forcing lonely men to spend all their money on GFE vtubers
>nobody is forcing drug addicts to spend all their money on drugs
at least you can ween off drugs, you can't ween off being a human being

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:07:15 2023 No.59794849 You faggots are so pathetic

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:09:42 2023 No.59794940 >>59794849 they're just like you frfr

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:12:08 2023 No.59795035 If you say casinos and gambling sites are predatory practices preying on men’s vices, everyone claps and agrees. Say the same thing about women exploiting men’s emotions for financial gain and they’ll call you an incel.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:23:19 2023 No.59795523

>>59795035
Not really, it's just that simps are seen as especially pathetic while the egirls are seen as entrepreneurial. Their hustle is more respectable than that of big casino companies.
There are no vices in a capitalist system, only demand and supply.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:24:37 2023 No.59795574

>>59795035
And just like with gambling, there are forms of it that aren't self-destructive, but can destroy people when it's designed in a predatory way. And just like drugs, GFE can genuinely make people happier, but will destroy people when it's done for predatory reasons.
"real" GFE(AKA where the girl actually cares) usually doesn't hurt anybody too much, it's almost always the ones who fake it just to make money that end up causing harm.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:26:20 2023 No.59795655 >>59795523 >there are no vices >simps are seen as especially pathetic ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:26:34 2023 No.59795663 >>59794535 My oshi forced my hand by being too damn cute. You are, in fact, incorrect, OP.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:39:40 2023 No.59796216 >>59794535 You can ween off being a loser.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:41:02 2023 No.59796260 File: 31 KB, 204x102, mococo smug.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>59794849 And you faggots will never be women

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:42:48 2023 No.59796329

>>59795574
>where the girl actually cares
I'm not even sure if that's possible, sure the girl can carefully manage her content and socials to avoid breaking kayfabe but she can't truly care for an uncountable, faceless and nameless audience because she'll never actually know them individually

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:44:53 2023 No.59796414

>>59795574
I think it's the other way around. GFE where the girl is too believable leads to people getting too attached, while a girl who sets boundaries and makes it clear that she's only acting is healthier. Case in point: Nene Amano and Rushia have/had some really obsessed schizos in their fandoms.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:44:59 2023 No.59796419 >>59794535 GFE is in the eye of the beholder. As long as they’re encouraging their audience to have healthy habits and hobbies that are creative instead of destructive I don’t see a problem.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:47:04 2023 No.59796505 >>59794535 nobody is forcing girls to spend all their money on makeup nobody is forcing engaged couples to spend their money of wedding rings nobody is forcing gacha players to spend their money on gacha what exactly is your point

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:48:41 2023 No.59796573 >>59794535 You have to spend money on anime jpgs to be a human being now?

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:52:46 2023 No.59796730

>>59796329
Kayfabe isn't important, you're right that it's impossible to hide personal info forever but that just means that "caring" means actually avoiding relationships in your personal life
I also don't think it's impossible because I've had a peek behind the curtain from a few acquaintances(albeit as a third party) that there are definitely girls who get parasocial with their fanbase as a sort of collective hivemind thing. They had no reason to lie to me then since they weren't trying to sell me anything. So I believe that it can definitely happen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:53:47 2023 No.59796776 >>59796573 what do you think "loneliness" is, anon?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:55:42 2023 No.59796849 >>59794535 >can't ween himself off parasocial relationships lonerchama...

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:55:46 2023 No.59796851 File: 216 KB, 293x343, 1629681192255.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>59794535 literally go outside and have sex

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:57:31 2023 No.59796915 >>59795035 because women don't benefit from casinos and gambling sites.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:58:05 2023 No.59796939 >>59795035 You are an adult. You are responsible for your own actions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:58:29 2023 No.59796951 Is the new rrat that anyone who isn't a gosling is a tranny? I've been out of the loop.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:59:44 2023 No.59797002 >>59796851 Shinzo Abe speaking to us from the grave

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 21:59:59 2023 No.59797013

>>59796505
make up is just a means to an end as opposed to and end in and of itself, it also does exactly what it says on the tin nor does anybody want it to be more than what it says on the tin, and isn't commonly emotionally addictive. Marketing for make up that encourages purchase via peer pressure and exploiting emotional vulnerabilities IS seen as predatory though, and has been for quite some time.
wedding rings are a singular transaction so you can't classify them as an addiction.
there are european countries that made gacha illegal so I don't think your point is as solid as you think it is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:01:04 2023 No.59797059 >>59796939 >what is mental illness addiction is classified as a mental illness too anon-chama

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:01:26 2023 No.59797072

>>59795574
>And just like with gambling, there are forms of it that aren't self-destructive
Its not a good habit
>"real" GFE(AKA where the girl actually cares) usually doesn't hurt anybody too much, it's almost always the ones who fake it just to make money that end up causing harm.
Real gfe is just a girlfriend or wife.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:03:27 2023 No.59797161 >>59794535 Sorry. Helping lonely people is very very very far down on the list of things being taken care of rn. Here's a number #45557 we'll get back to you as soon as we can.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:04:23 2023 No.59797193

>>59794535
Yes, they are leaching off male loneliness. To he fair if chuubas weren't doing that is not like this guys would get gfs. People think working out and changing clothes or something gets you a gf, statically more and more men dont have gfs, and no one really thinks its much of an issue.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:05:18 2023 No.59797235

>>59796414
The issue is that many people don't get any benefit out of RP type GFE, it's the believable stuff that sells. You mention rushia and nene but there is a reason they also had the highest CCV out of all the full-time GFE streamers in their respective corpos as well as the most SC revenue. People who enjoy GFE tend to want it to be real and the ones who enjoy it as RP are the niche among GFE consumers.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:08:00 2023 No.59797346

>>59797072
>Its not a good habit
sure, but bad habits are better than self-destructive addictions exploited by sociopaths
>real GFE is just a girlfriend or a wife
I mean why do you think the hardest GFE vtubers explicitly say that they are chats girlfriend and/or wife?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:10:39 2023 No.59797473 >>59796849 >can't ween himself off of romantic relationships parasocial is a buzzword, relationships are relationships and the desire for one isn't something you choose to have, it comes pre-built into nuerotypical human brains

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:11:40 2023 No.59797512 >>59796851 okay, bend over

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:13:14 2023 No.59797574 >>59797161 if it's on the list at all then it shouldn't be mocked at the very least

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:18:07 2023 No.59797788

These chuubas can and never will be your gf. You should be ashamed that you even experience a semblance of comfort within these animated pixels.
Stop being a sorry sack of shit and unironically better yourself. Get to know real people. These women you are infatuated with... they can do nothing for you except temporarily supress the inevitable fact you will be alone forever.
But it's not too late, it's never too late. You can still change things, and should as you owe that much to yourselves.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:18:16 2023 No.59797799

>>59797235
Yeah, but the topic isn't "What kind of GFE sells?" but "GFE is like a drug". Of course the hard GFE stuff sells more than the RP-GFE. It's precisely because it attracts more of the mentally unsound people who spend large portions of their paycheck on parasocial relationships. Doesn't make the business less shady tho.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:18:43 2023 No.59797825 File: 1.17 MB, 1500x1500, 1685488633100127.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>59797574 There's too much on the list.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:22:03 2023 No.59797949 >>59797193 More hoes on the carousel. Just like everyone always wanted

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:28:17 2023 No.59798229 >>59797788 >But it's not too late, it's never too late you can't criticize GFE vtubing as a fantasy and then try and peddle another fantasy

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:29:53 2023 No.59798304 >>59797825 honestly mocking should probably be restricted to things on a different list then

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:31:12 2023 No.59798352 >>59794535 nobody is forcing you to post this but you posted it anyway because you are a faggot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:38:32 2023 No.59798680 >>59798229 This is exactly what i mean. You have a pathetic mindset. My blog did not pertain to you then. But i still hope things get better for you.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:39:02 2023 No.59798700

>>59797193
>no one really thinks its much of an issue
They think less men working is an issue, and less men going to college. Work for economy and the college stuff was bad because I shit you not they roughly said "theere are less educated men for educated women to marry". Their entire reason was how it was bad becuase women couldn't get what they wanted. You also had complaints about guys with AI gfs and dating overseas because orbiters are leaving girls with no fallback.

The sad part people neglect about vtubers is it reminds you there are actually great women out there, you just won't ever get to meet them or have a relationship. I unironically envy whoever gets to date/marry a bunch of the JP girls, meanwhile western dating just makes me want to die alone.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:41:14 2023 No.59798795

>>59797788
>it's never too late
mortality tables used by the Social Security Administration estimate that a 30-year-old male has a 0.23% chance of dying within one year. I would argue that this is a good default for a 4chan poster, maybe a year or two older but otherwise just about right. In fact, it's probably too generous because of the number of third worlders here.
Moot claimed before that the number of lurkers on 4chan is several orders of magnitude greater than IP counts(I'd argue it's especially true /here/)
If just 100 people saw your post(lurkers = IPs*3), the odds that everybody who read it being alive a year from now is...
79%
if 1000 people see your post(one order of magnitude higher), the odds of everyone surviving a year is roughly 10%. There is a 90% chance that at least one of them will be dead within a year.
Sometimes it is too late.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:41:19 2023 No.59798796 >>59794849 Unironically fpbp

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:50:36 2023 No.59799178 >>59794535 I don't give a fuck. Anyways, does anyone else ever feel the urge to have sex with a hag?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:52:27 2023 No.59799260 >>59799178 no because I already have sex have sex

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:53:19 2023 No.59799304 >>59794535 >nobody is forcing lonely men to spend all their money on GFE vtubers I am. >nobody is forcing drug addicts to spend all their money on drugs I am.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:56:49 2023 No.59799467

>>59795035
Thats simply good antitrust practice. A gambling den can capture and exploit an audience because they have a natural monopoly on gambling within their den. Mediocre whores cant keep a good man because half the world are competing for his wallet. Its also why gacha is an objective good, because there is always a better gacha.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:57:03 2023 No.59799483

>>59794535
>>nobody is forcing lonely men to spend all their money on GFE vtubers
Yes, this is correct. Quit looking for excuses faggot. If your solution to feeling lonely is buying into a whore's vain attempt to pretend to be an anime girl, you get pissed when someone points out how idiotic this is and how pathetic you are for falling for this, you got bigger issues than just being lonely and being injudicious with money.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:57:06 2023 No.59799485 >>59797949 Pretty sure female rates are actually going down too. It isn't that chad is getting more women, it's that both genders slowly became antagonistic to each other and before we knew it the problem got way out of hand

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 22:59:32 2023 No.59799603 >>59798304 Alright. We'll get right on making another list that differentiates between what things are ok to mock and what things aren't. Here's your number. #45558.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:03:31 2023 No.59799809 >>59799485 Single Adults: 18-29. 32% to mens 51%

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:04:46 2023 No.59799859 >>59799485 antagonistic to eachother? is that fancy speak for they need to put down their damn phones and look eachother in the face?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:06:48 2023 No.59799971 >>59799304 what's the next step of your master plan?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:06:53 2023 No.59799976 File: 1.15 MB, 1910x1077, 1681930832549765.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>59794535 >comparing vtubing to drug abuse ????? ?????????????

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:08:44 2023 No.59800064 >>59796951 average tuesday on VT

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:10:17 2023 No.59800133 >>59799603 It feels a little like the people who made the list made some fundamental errors in terms of its functionality

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:11:31 2023 No.59800190 >>59799976 >posts in bad faith >pretends to be genuinely confused gambling was another extremely common example given

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:11:40 2023 No.59800198 >>59800133 Yeah probably. Fucking idiots.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:11:40 2023 No.59800196

>>59796939
>Exploiting gambling addicts with games that have terrible odds
>Illegal
>Exploiting dumb minorities with payday loans with terrible interest rates
>Illegal
>Exploiting degenerate with narcotics
>Illegal
>Exploiting the elderly by selling them overpriced shit like tech support services
>Illegal
>Exploiting the poor by recruiting them in multi kevel marketing schemes
>Illegal
>Exploiting lonely men that have nothing to live for
>Uuuuuuhhhhh you're an adult, you're responsible for your own actions incel!
Hetero men are allowed to be exploited by the people in charge.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:12:43 2023 No.59800249 >>59799809 he didn't say equalizing or descending at the same rate, he said female rates are going down too

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:14:05 2023 No.59800328 File: 323 KB, 479x622, 1629180568050.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>59800196 >exploiting the entire population >legal governments are allowed lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:14:07 2023 No.59800330 >>59799859 boomerchama...

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:15:45 2023 No.59800428 >>59800330 put down your phone!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:15:46 2023 No.59800429 >>59800328 welp hey on the bright side everyone is getting exploited so at least we can commiserate with each other lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:16:56 2023 No.59800494 >>59800428 B-but I like having a job

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:18:07 2023 No.59800547 >>59800190 how do you niggers get addicted to this shit? cant you just buy a member and watch the stream without the confirm payment window on the other monitor

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:18:55 2023 No.59800593 >>59799467 gacha is literally illegal in several countries being annoyed by loot boxes in Apex Legends taught me this

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:21:07 2023 No.59800708 >>59800547 >watch GFE when lonely >get attached >watch superchat readings >see the girl respond to superchats >strong emotional affirmation >want it too >donate >get your fix >want more duh

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:21:19 2023 No.59800723

>>59799859
Both sexes believe the other sex is guaranteed to cheat, so cheating is just something young people come to expect in dating.
Women come to view most men as not desirable because her Disney princess fantasies never came true, and will say things like
>this is why you'll never get laid
>omg, men used to hunt to survive
and in the next breathe will say how she hates that women are sexualized.
The women really worth pursuing are the ones not really interested in having a relationship - this is where expectations become a burden - you better be making bank and have a good life style to attract such a woman. Rather lenient on the emotional aspect of the relationship, they want someone nice that respects her and fulfills her, don't want the brainrot most young women want where they want a bad boy this isn't very mean (just to them) that magically knows the right things to say all the time and that she feels she can save.

Young men are either too intimidated by women to try and approach them, or have really low opinions of them. That they are whores, that they are money-holes, that they cannot appreciate a genuine connection and just want you for you acquisitive potential. Men are more liable to cheat for no good reason, and those same men ruin the chances of good men. Good men either marry relative young and stay happy, or become more and more jaded and burdened by the idea of having to please a woman to the point that video games and other entertainment, and perhaps paid companionship, are enough to keep the darkness at bay. An older high value man and an older high value woman are certainly fit for each other, but their past experiences and traumas may want to never want to try and get out there.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:24:53 2023 No.59800892

>>59800723
this, infidelity destroyed most peoples capacity to form genuine emotional connections. Even the people who haven't been cheated on grow up in a culture steeped in rhetoric about cheating being a certainty, and it has shaped the mental development of zoomers.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:26:46 2023 No.59800985

>>59800723
> women really worth pursuing are the ones not really interested in having a relationship - this is where expectations become a burden - you better be making bank and have a good life style to attract such a woman.
> cannot appreciate a genuine connection and just want you for you acquisitive potential.
I see the discrepancy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:27:47 2023 No.59801035 I blame Hollywood >:(

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:29:20 2023 No.59801120 File: 3.75 MB, 900x670, Ui-BEAMU.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>59800708 dios mio

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:29:48 2023 No.59801137 >>59800985 Well, it's true you can't live just on love, anon. And those are her expectations, since fulfilling her emotionally is easier, maybe you could find a way to make it work even if she makes a ton more money than you do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:35:07 2023 No.59801381 >>59801137 >you cannot live on love therefore relationships should not be based on love cool and people wonder why men get pulled in by realistic seeming GFE lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:36:23 2023 No.59801474 File: 50 KB, 602x283, spaghetti.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>59801137

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:36:24 2023 No.59801479 >>59794535 >you can't ween off being a human being I fucking wish I could go full borg. Off with this damnable weak flesh. Make me chrome.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:38:51 2023 No.59801603 >>59801479 slow down there, choom you're body can't take it; you'll go cyberpsycho

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:41:37 2023 No.59801730

>>59801120
It's really not that much different from any addiction really, in a sense it's much like how people without medication for conditions will often end up self medicating if they come across a substance that alleviates their symptoms
imagine getting a taste of something and finally feeling somewhat happy for once, and then seeing a "harder" version of it that is clearly superior in terms of its efficacy
the statistical probability of such people pursuing the harder alternative is quite high in such cases, for reasons that should be glaringly obvious
and it isn't entirely addiction in that case; they're not addicted to the harder drug yet after all. They're 'addicted' to the state it brings about- namely, some degree of alleviation of symptoms
Does that make sense?

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:42:46 2023 No.59801785

>>59796730
>there are definitely girls who get parasocial with their fanbase as a sort of collective hivemind thing
Yeah but that is unironically closer to developing feelings towards a pet rock or something when compared to actual love for another singular human being. Any chuuba who claims to be "obsessed" with their fans is lying to you or is only telling the truth insofar as maximizing the amount of lonely hopeless men that give her endless supplies of attention, validation and money is some kind of vulgar "obsession" on HER part.

GFE is a temporary salve for some but the intensity of feelings it can provoke are only ever going in one direction. (You) give her three of her most important needs and fund her life and in return you get a simulacrum of affection that will either blow up in your face when she slips up or keep you stuck in life for potentially years if you take it seriously.
It's a shitty trade bros wake up.

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:49:46 2023 No.59802123

>>59801785
I think comparing people's online personas to a pet rock is a little disingenuous. You're underplaying how much online social interaction can influence a person's emotional state pretty heavily.
>keep you stuck
Some people are already stuck, anon. And other have used GFE to get unstuck, too.
>it's a shitty trade
Same as above, sometimes the only trades somebody has are shitty ones. Sometimes the only winning move is to not play, but suicide is bad

Anonymous Tue Oct 3 23:56:15 2023 No.59802476 [DELETED]

There are 30 IPs in this thread
if the number of lurkers is 10 times higher than IP count, there is a 50% chance that somebody who has seen this thread will be dead within a year. The same odds as calling a single coin flip result incorrectly.
are you feeling lucky, anon?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:01:01 2023 No.59802792 >>59795523 Respect the hustle is a formless idea, people have it wrong. All hustle shouls be respected

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:04:36 2023 No.59803038 >>59801730 i already knew people were in deep with this shit im just baffled been watching since 2019 i just cant with £1000 donations

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:06:38 2023 No.59803169
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>>59794535
>waahh, these autistic women are forcing me to spend money on a anime girl I know isn't real.
Fuck off, stop blaming other people for you doing this. Drugs litterally are different because you can actually fucking die by getting addicted or trying to come clean. What's next are you gonna complain about McDonald's forcing you to by their shit, retard? You gonna complain about video games taking advantage of lonely men? You gonna complain about anime, movies, music, food, electricity companies, cute cashiers, etc... taking advantage of lonely men. Understand that it's you, and maybe you'll change. Not everyone has the luxury of being their own problem, you can fix it since you are the problem. Enjoy media responsibly.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:13:28 2023 No.59803627

>>59803169
>video games
gacha is illegal in several countries
>McDonald's
obesity is widely regarded as a problem and potentially addictive additives has been under fire several times
>all the other shit you listed
Have you tried arguing in good faith? None of those are exploitative of peoples intrinsic emotional desires. You're just mad because you can't empathize with others.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:15:00 2023 No.59803712 >>59803038 Anon, men have done crazy shit out of love for millenia. And in most of those accounts, the men doing stupid shit weren't even lonely. Now just imagine how much more prone men who are lonely are to doing stupid shit.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:16:03 2023 No.59803775

>>59802123
>comparing people's online personas to a pet rock is a little disingenuous
I said "closer to" rather than "the same as" but yes it was hyperbole.
>And other have used GFE to get unstuck, too
Maybe that does happen in some rare cases but I think many more people especially when talking about the ones who buy into the hard GFE just stick around feeling like because a baseline of their needs are being met they can "manage" on just that.

They are not happy or really content but they are slightly less sad, and their coping mechanism remains transactional and temporary and crucially their situations are not improving, you think the people that move from GFE chuuba to GFE chuuba when one stops activities or wrongs them are ever going to find any lasting happiness that way?
>sometimes the only trades somebody has are shitty ones
No argument there but a trade this shitty is not the only option. Even if you are the most undesirable, broken shell of a person going into a training arc for your eventual "reward" of a desperate 40 year old single mother is a still better option if you are looking for real affection because at least she can hold you and you might not die alone.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:17:19 2023 No.59803841 >>59803169 none of those things hits the way interaction with the opposite sex does.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:20:56 2023 No.59804035

>>59803775
>They are not happy or really content but they are slightly less sad
NTA but as someone who fell in love with a GFE vtuber for years, I can tell you that I was genuinely happy throughout. The difference between before I did and after was night and day. I actually ended up crying to myself sometimes in the beginning because of how I finally felt truly happy after endless misery for years and having accepted that happiness was unattainable for me.
I was certainly a lot more productive at minimum

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:23:24 2023 No.59804162

>>59803627
>>59803841
I can empathize, I was like that too. However you can't blame everything on other people. What do you want, everything to be illegal because someone could be addicted to it? It isn't a bad faith argument. What you consider to be different, in this case, emotional desires, is no different than any other argument for addiction. You just want it to be so you dont have to consider your responsibility to enjoy things responsibly. What do you want people to do?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:25:10 2023 No.59804244 GFE/BFE is sexual in nature. Regardless of its intent of light flirting or not. Thereby, it should be banned because people are paying for it to happen thus it is prostitution in some states.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:30:59 2023 No.59804562

>>59803775
I've seen more than a few people who took the other option you presented and I can say that all but one was more miserable than most of the GFE fans I see, even the ones /here/ in spite of 4chan being where many of the people at rock bottom congregate, for the GFE chuubas that are deemed "safe" and seem(keyword) to actually love their fans.
Bad GFE is worse, of course. But that's why it's fucked up.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:38:44 2023 No.59804975

>>59804162
Okay but everything you listed besides maybe addictive foods(active topic of discussion irl) and gacha(which is just online gambling and has been publicly criticized in many instances and made illegal in some countries as I said and regulated to some extent in others as well) isn't even an addictive thing. You listed talking to a cashier ffs, come on anon.
>you can't blame everything on other people
of course not, but that doesn't mean that you can never blame other people. some things are exploitative or unfair, and some things aren't. Sometimes a situation is too fucked up to justify blaming the person getting fucked over.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:40:51 2023 No.59805124 Who are the Ablers and Who are the Enablers

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:44:27 2023 No.59805356

>>59804162
>What do you want people to do?
Honestly, not blaming the victim when a GFE vtuber betrays her fans would be a massive improvement in and of itself. If it were socially unacceptable to have a partner while doing GFE, that alone would help a lot of people. Probably a lot of vtubers too, as the added risk would discourage many of the insincere ones from doing it in the first place.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 00:45:18 2023 No.59805404

>>59804035
Well I am glad to hear that it helped you like that, especially if it actually motivated you to improve your situation as well.
Personally I cannot get over my feelings about the dynamics of GFE enough to get any kind of happiness out of it, the one time I dabbled in it I just felt jealous and more bitter and keenly aware of how her words couldn't really be "true".
>>59804562
Grim but I belieeb it, still going to try because I want something real and I think I would have to lose that last bit of hope I have to settle for GFE.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:11:54 2023 No.59807081

>>59805404
I understand. nothing can be for everyone at all times, humans are too complicated and fucked up for that. I just don't want people who misunderstand or can't understand each other to rip apart one anothers happiness, because I think that's a miserable thing and the world has enough miserable things.
I hope you find what you are looking for anon. I want the world to be a happier place. Fuck misery.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:21:58 2023 No.59807836 >>59807081 Digital Boobs and Pussy with a smile on the face ain't it bruv. https://youtu.be/hgnhVcyLy1I Basically the theme of Ex-Simps regarding giving whores $.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:25:59 2023 No.59808134

>>59807836
whores are the problem, that's why I'd rather have people blame the whores who hurt their fans. If she isn't a traitor, it is something that can help people and to me that alone is enough to justify being okay with it. I can't forgive the ones who destroy their fans though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:44:30 2023 No.59809286 File: 182 KB, 630x700, hurr durr incel.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>59795035 Unfortunately, people have been brainwashed into thinking like that and even trying to defend such practices. Case in point >>59795523

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 01:52:31 2023 No.59809763 >>59794849 FPBP

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:51:16 2023 No.59813342

the e-girls who make it big don't have to live through superchats or donations, they can get by with sponsorships, and i think that is the end goal. if you can get big sponsors as a chuuba you've made it. otherwise you'd still be stuck pandering to people and, one way or another, baiting them to superchat, which might not be what you want to do especially on the days that you yourself have run out of empathy. there's a reason customer service/support is very draining, and that's because our empathy is a battery that needs recharging every now and then, and some days we just don't want to care about someone else's problems, feelings, or affection for a living.

there are healthy, non-invasive ways to show support, it doesn't have to be through money. you can make art of them, music (a 10 sec jingle, god forbid lmao), share why you like them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:52:25 2023 No.59813414 What's wrong with drugs

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 02:58:36 2023 No.59813801 >>59813342 GFE vtubers definitely have off days and sometimes longer than just days and generally speaking it's fine strictly speaking it's not like running out of empathy means running after cock irl

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:00:46 2023 No.59813946 >>59813414 nothing is wrong with drugs, what's wrong is human brains' tendency to self destruct because of drugs

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:08:42 2023 No.59814402

>>59813946
>>59813414
Basically most people are stupid and need to be protected from themselves. Legalizing all drugs (and letting GFE run rampant) is a libertarian view that lets the free market decide what is or isn't in demand. From a societal perspective, this leads to collapse since most people make horrible decisions and simply can't function when given that level of freedom (classic example of Chinese Opium consumption, or more recent fentanyl epidemic etc). However, this is a macro perspective that sacrifices the freedom of the few for the "care" of those who need a nanny state to prevent themselves from self-destructing.

As an individual, I'd much rather like my access to all sorts of drugs to numb the pain of existence, so long as it's responsibly done. It's not the job of regulators to protect people from themselves, like the gacha ban is simple overreach in government trying to run your life. Sure, it's good for the gaming industry to be less predatory and might result in positive change, but ultimately people should be responsible for their own decisions, no matter how exploitative it is. I personally enjoy my gacha games: always f2p with just a few monthly passes over the course of a decade, and I get to play games that don't need to be paid (example Mihoyo production values, where Genshin could easily be a $60 BOTW ripoff instead) because I get subsidized by all the whales. Similarly, I like to enjoy my free GFE while paypigs subsidize my experience. A fool and their money is soon parted, so some free market mechanics here can be nice for those who can make use of it. Again, it's always playing with fire, but it can be good for the individual, bad for the collective masses who don't have the self-control or intellect to handle that much freedom.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:10:48 2023 No.59814526 Why do nijiniggers seethe so much about Hololive having a strong, loyal fanbase willing to support their Oshi financially?

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:12:27 2023 No.59814632

>>59814526
I don't care about corporations.
But when they start to force these *literal popular whoretubers* into video games like Yakuza. That is the line I will draw and wish nothing but the downfall of said corporation and those within in meet very very bad ends of financial woes and misery.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:31:35 2023 No.59815659

>>59797788
But I'm a guy who rejects irl girl advances to be loyal to my oshiwife. (She encouraged me and gave me the motivation to improve myself)
She also is loyal to me and I know because I stalk ger RM and she knows it. (This is the part I couldn't change from my past self)
I'm not with my oshi because I can't get anything better, I'm with her because it's my choice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:35:42 2023 No.59815887 File: 84 KB, 269x261, 1686248041957763.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is true, we need these men to marry all the single moms in their 30s and 40s who otherwise can't find a man to raise their caramel-colored teenager.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:52:13 2023 No.59816752 Give us your waifus or else you become emergency food! HungryPaimon Give us your waifus or else you become emergency food! HungryPaimon Give us your waifus or else you become emergency food! HungryPaimon

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:53:18 2023 No.59816831 >>59813414 my friend liked opiates a lot he got a stomach ulcer and just ignored it b/c he couldn't feel pain eventually he got surgery he tore his stomach stitches and bled out and died. survived the drugs and got killed by diet soda. for fuck's sake

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:55:42 2023 No.59816953 >>59796951 >new YWNBAW

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:57:21 2023 No.59817027

>>59814402
This is why I'm personally in favor of a compromise type approach; no outright bans, but enforced expectations and standards
this let's people still engage in behavior but mitigates the potential for overly disastrous consequences
It's not as if the absolute self-destruction of so many people is of net benefit to the general pace of growth; you eke out more from people when they are functional, so a system that optimizes for maximum functionality in the population is a system which has the most potential working power. Limits may cap the efficacy of that working power, but it's not a linear thing; no limits and you are sacrificing lives and maximum potential, too many limits and you bottle neck the productive capacity of the work force
since rate of overall improvement in QOL is something that benefits everybody I feel like it's worthwhile to pursue and can at least be a meaningful argument to those who are looking for more than just empathic reasons

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 03:58:00 2023 No.59817056 >>59816831 >diet soda Being a fat fuck is what killed him.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:02:14 2023 No.59817305 >>59794535 >you can't ween off being a human being >listening to GFE is human being behavior >Harder to escape than drugs You won Bait Award 2023 anon

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:07:27 2023 No.59817630

>>59796329
Your implication means it’s impossible to care about people even if you don’t know them which is false. These people failed darwinism but they exist

>>59795574
>>59797072
All gfe is predatory if it hinges on the fact that you are paying for this to happen. It’s a problem that is not only with vtubers and it really can’t be fixed. Men are different from women there will always be men that can’t get companionship so this is all they got.
Vtubers that do ok gfe
>Gura, Lua, Kanata, Luna
Vtubers that don’t do ok gfe
>Koyori, Nene(kawaii), Nazuna, Ophelia
There’s a huge difference between them being ok with you calling them gf or wife and them telling you to do it. In the former if you fall for them it’s on you but the latter it’s on them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:09:48 2023 No.59817745 >>59798700 >he can’t find a woman in his own zip code Lol trust me East Asian women don’t want to put up with pathetic western men that can’t offer them anything

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:22:02 2023 No.59818494

>>59797193
Other men think it’s an issue which is why male “empowerment” podcasts started popping up. Being a man has always put you at a disadvantage as far as survival was concerned but now you’re disadvantaged in every way. One silver lining is slightly above average and above men are up tremendously. Money, bitches, or solitude whatever is you like.

>>59798700
I would marry like half the jp members and never learn their language but I don’t envy who they end up with in the slightest. Every holo is the epitome of the quirky tv character that “you’d definitely want” only to find out they are insufferable. They can barely take care of themselves, you’d unironically have to worry about them cheating, they will blow through your money if they stop working, a fair bit of them are actually mental and you most likely won’t have kids. The least bad would be Marine, Lamy, and Watame if you can somehow keep them from swallowing a razor blade. Kanata and Subaru would also be fine though I think they’d marry women namely because kanata is one and Subaru is slowly thinking she is one

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:23:34 2023 No.59818591 >>59795035 It's over

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:27:01 2023 No.59818818 Respect the hustle

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:28:26 2023 No.59818902

>>59799485
Not for the same reason. Women rate is going down because being a whore makes you a feminist and you should be against all relationships except sexual ones. Funny enough even the chads are starting to want relationships and they want girls that have not been run through more than a New York train station

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:29:27 2023 No.59818964 >>59800547 Why do people get addicted to anything?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:35:28 2023 No.59819323 >>59799809 32 is pretty high for women

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:39:00 2023 No.59819523

>>59800723
This is either a faggot or onions boy listening to his female friends bitching. Women do most of the divorce, women cheat more than men, and if you get a divorce men are the ones that get fucked even if they have a prenup. Even among the fags gay relationships have the least problems while lesbians end up abusive. Woman at the top of their career end up lonely because they only want men at their level while Men at their level want a woman who’s not going to be a pain in the ass. A rich man will marry a waitress, stripper, lawyer, even a girl in college but a rich women will only settle for an established or career man.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:42:41 2023 No.59819726

>>59794535
>>59795035
>>59796776
You retards do know you can watch for free right? Like just because you watch a GFE vtuber and your lonely doesnt mean you need a spend a single cent. Meanwhile in casinos which everyone is comparing it to, you have to spend money and quite a bit. I've been watching for years without spending a cent.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:43:32 2023 No.59819765 >>59800985 You’re listening to a bot a woman worth pursuing is one that doesn’t whore herself out and yes they are looking for a relationship. If she wants you for your money and you pursue her despite that you’re asking for problems.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:44:15 2023 No.59819799 >>59805124 no idea but I'm the Ableist

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:46:37 2023 No.59819910 >>59800328 I will never understand why burger think the government exploits people more than corporations do

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:46:57 2023 No.59819930

>>59803038
I stopped thinking these guys were sad after seeing worse shit. This girl I know had a guy send her $1000 just because she was cute on instagram. She blocked him after getting the money, so at least these guys are getting something even if it is meager

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:47:42 2023 No.59819963 >>59794849 FPBP

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:49:52 2023 No.59820064

>>59804162
Except getting addicted to gambling or drugs has a higher barrier of entry. You have to spend money and a decent amount at the start these guys are just watching free content. You’re making it seem like they go into a stream trying to get ensnared

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:52:42 2023 No.59820210

Unlike casinos or drugs, this is more or less people just streaming and talking. Trying to regulate that is a freedom of speech violation as a lot of these streaming sites are US Based.
I get feeling lonely and shit, I've gas anxiety issues and have been graped as a teen so opening up to real people was way harder than to internet strangers and vtubers I liked. I just feel like, there has to be a bit more personal responsibility on the viewers end.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:56:38 2023 No.59820384

>>59820210
It's absolutely more than just streaming and talking in the case of GFE
it doesn't even have to be actual regulation, if it was seen as socially unacceptable to do GFE insincerely or in a predatory way that alone would be enough to curb a lot of the more outright disgusting behavior seen

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:56:44 2023 No.59820390 >>59794535 >>59795035 >>59796776 >>59797059 >>59800190 >>59800708 being a paypig is not an addiction, pathetic faggots

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:56:54 2023 No.59820397

>>59813342
Do you know why they run multiple accounts or try to make “businesses” it’s because it’s not reliable. Sponsors can cut you, they choose to not pay you if they don’t like what they saw making you spend more money going to court, sponsors are entirely dependent on your brand with some e-girls being straight up whores doesn’t help them, and some sponsors can’t be run together.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:58:14 2023 No.59820443 >>59818964 the difference is this "addiction" can be enjoyed for free, but retards are still claiming its ruining their life somehow

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 04:59:15 2023 No.59820495 >>59819726 Well if it was that easy the girls would be broke and disappear.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:00:24 2023 No.59820544

>>59819726
You're one of the people who watches for "RP" GFE. It's great that that alone is satisfying to you, but there's a reason why the biggest GFE tends towards the kind that blurs the line and seems as real as possible. A majority of people cannot feel any meaningful emotional benefit from just RP.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:00:40 2023 No.59820555

>>59799485
>>59799859
>>59818902
All these retarded theories when in reality this happens in every developed country slowly over time because people no longer need to pump as many kids as possible to survive. Having kids in an industrialized society is a burden that is worth it some people but not worth to most.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:00:58 2023 No.59820568 >>59820443 >Bad faith argument

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:02:19 2023 No.59820625

>>59820544
I really dont care about GFE at all either way, I just watch streams I find entertaining. Im not retarded so I know I will never have a meaningful relationship with a celebrity especially one who is literally playing a character to some extent.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:02:40 2023 No.59820644 >>59800196 None of those things should be illegal desu

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:03:20 2023 No.59820669 >>59817305 Why do you only know how to post in bad faith? if you don't care about the topic then you may as well post something more interesting than some retarded misportrayal

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:03:20 2023 No.59820671 >>59820568 >No argument at all I accept your concession

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:04:21 2023 No.59820715 >>59820669 >>59820568 >if I keep throwing out "bad faith" it will look im winning and smart

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:05:35 2023 No.59820768 >>59794535 This faggot thinks obsession with vtubers is an inherent trait of the human condition

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:06:48 2023 No.59820812 >>59820555 So in your reality a certain amount of buildings get made and a beep happens in every person’s head that tells them to reject relationships. Let me guess you’re asexual with a degree in gender studies?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:07:04 2023 No.59820824 >>59817630 Luna's rm literally said she is single because her fans are her boyfriend. Kanata isn't really GFE despite dabbling in it occasionally, although those ASMRs were amazing when they happened. Who is Lua?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:08:51 2023 No.59820906 >>59820669 How is that a misportrayal? It’s the exact argument that OP is making. If it sounds retarded it’s because it is

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:09:26 2023 No.59820933 >>59820625 Obviously a schizo that didn’t even read the original post

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:09:42 2023 No.59820948 >>59820715 Have you tried making a genuine argument?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:11:33 2023 No.59821041 >>59820715 >If I keep throwing out “bad faith” it will look like I’m winning, and that I’m smart You looked like you needed a hand from a smart guy

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:12:24 2023 No.59821074 >>59820625 Okay, but if you actually read the thread you can see the reason people do fall for it explained in heavy detail. Of course not everyone would. Try to understand things from other peoples perspective, not everybody has the same problems.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:14:12 2023 No.59821147

>>59820812
If you have no idea what your talking about you could just ask for clarification instead of trying to be snarky with a shitty strawman argument. There are a ton of reasons why industrial societies have less children, the increased cost of raising children in an industrialized society (education as a big example), lower infant mortality (meaning women no longer have several kids back to back in case of them die), access to birth control and abortion, and higher levels of female education. These are a few examples off the top of my head, there are many others.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:14:27 2023 No.59821158

>>59820812
How hard is it to understand that shit gets more expensive in developed countries. If it’s more expensive to raise a kid then people will have fewer children. When people become more educated and cultured they’ll realize they don’t have to pump out more offspring to replace the ones that die of malaria in the rice fields. I dropped out of college and even I understand that.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:14:51 2023 No.59821181

>>59820906
>listening to GFE is human behavior
The GFE itself isn't the human behavior, it's being lonely and sad when you are alone that is human behavior. The GFE is something that relieves that loneliness for lots of people. That's why it specified "lonely men"

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:15:56 2023 No.59821239 >>59820768 see >>59821181

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:15:59 2023 No.59821243 >>59820948 have you tried making any argument at all, period?

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:16:45 2023 No.59821273

You're really supposed to just give them money as a way to show appreciation for the entertainment they bring, kind of like giving a tip to a waiter. If you do it because you deluded yourself into thinking they're your GF then thats a whole other issue that you gotta figure out.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:17:45 2023 No.59821322 >>59821243 Yes, read the thread if you actually wanted to see them

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:19:09 2023 No.59821395 >>59794535 >wean >0 matches you're all ESL also OP never had a mother if he thinks you can't wean off humans

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:19:13 2023 No.59821401 >>59821158 no you dont understand it cant possibly economics it must be the globalhomo agenda to turn everyone gay with mind control chemicals in the tap water or something

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:21:54 2023 No.59821526 >>59821322 you mean what I was responding to before you derailed it with pointless "bad faith" posts, good job retard

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:22:34 2023 No.59821557

>>59821273
>If you do it because you deluded yourself into thinking they're your GF then thats a whole other issue that you gotta figure out.
>deluded yourself
There are a metric fuck ton of GFE vtubers who insist upon actually being chats GF and will get/act genuinely upset if you watch other female streamers or not play along and call them your girlfriend/wife
If you think it's particularly rare for a person among the group of people who watch specifically for GFE to watch it for the emotional fulfillment of believing that the girl truly loves her fans, then you haven't been paying attention and your entire understanding of the situation is off.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:23:39 2023 No.59821602

>>59820824
Lua from kawaii she does a lot of gfe asmrs but it’s usually rp shit she finds on the internet. In Luna’s case that’s fine because it’s a preventative measure. Kanata is gfe it’s just she’s never been in a relationship and yes she’s the only member I believe. Telling your friend you’ll finger bang her to relieve her is not something you’d say if you’ve had any normal relationships. But my point was in their case you falling for them is on you they didn’t come out the gate with love bombs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:24:27 2023 No.59821639 >>59821395 I'm not ESL, my autocorrect is also >minor spelling mistake and your mother comment doesn't even make sense, read the sentence ffs

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:26:22 2023 No.59821730 >>59821147 >>59821158 Because my argument never mentioned kids even in my shitpost I never mentioned having kids you bunch of schizos

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:27:26 2023 No.59821765

And I don't mean Live Service crap that dies within 1 year of activity. I meant a full on Game that is more complete at release with slight updates to the overall gameplay from players feedback. A full-on, purchase the game and its yours. Type of thing.

I think this reddit is full of such people that enjoys Live Service games so much that they enjoy having money being funneled out of their wallets with every banner in hopes to get what they want but don't get after throwing down $1K. (Looks like I made people salty with this comment. Good. Its the truth. You guys are like masochists that love getting findommed.)

Games as a Service is bad. Games as a Product is good. Vote with your wallet and know what is good for the overall gaming industry.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:28:55 2023 No.59821829 >>59821395 >Calls people esl but is unable to read English Every time

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:29:28 2023 No.59821848

>>59821557
It's all about knowing the difference between reality and fiction. You don't need to actually believe you're their bf to play along with the role-playing, it's supposed to be just a thing you do for fun. You can't blame the girl for your own inability to tell a joke from reality.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:29:37 2023 No.59821857

>>59821602
>But my point was in their case you falling for them is on you they didn’t come out the gate with love bombs.
I agree, if they don't prompt it it is on the person, but generally speaking the GFE that sells is the kind that does that because it(obviously) feels more genuine
idk about the Kanata thing still, I usually find more heimin saying she is not GFE as opposed to the opposite. Even among her Japanese fanbase I never noticed any prominent indications of her doing GFE(during the few times I've been bored and glanced around Twitter watched vods read comments browsed her 5ch thread etc to get a sense of the situation, at least)

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:32:39 2023 No.59821988 >>59821730 Yes everyone else is the schizo not you... anyways relationships are down for many of the same reasons too. People simply dont have the time and money for it, and im sure social media is a big factor as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:34:08 2023 No.59822048 >>59819910 there's hardly a difference

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:36:11 2023 No.59822127

>>59821848
I can tell that you don't watch hard GFE vtubers very often if you really think this is the correct characterization of how it works. If you honestly think that all of it is done as a bit or as roleplay, even when several GFE vtubers have explicitly said "it's not roleplay" on stream before, I honestly don't know if you have the capability to understand the situation

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:40:55 2023 No.59822295 >>59819910 Yes I’m sure apple is taking a percentage of your salary against your will

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:45:37 2023 No.59822480 >>59821988 >Don’t have the time and money for a relationship Weird I remember it costing nothing but I guess with buildings, economics, inflation asking a girl out cost you millions and leaves you no time to work

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:49:42 2023 No.59822641 >>59822480 Dating game has changed drastically anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:49:46 2023 No.59822643 https://youtu.be/g9_iiAv2omE

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:50:23 2023 No.59822669 >>59794535 If you're unable to control your own finances and emotional attachments then you belong in some sort of managed living situation. Or dead.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:51:11 2023 No.59822701 >>59796216 So why are you still here then?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:51:50 2023 No.59822728 https://youtu.be/HIbkT0ZNXNg

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:52:23 2023 No.59822757 >>59822669 I assume you think the same is true of gambling addicts then?

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 05:58:28 2023 No.59822974

I don't have to pay her for money, though she sometimes occasionally respond to my message in live chat, and she says she'd be happy if I keep watching her stream but I don't think she is going to do GFE-ish behaviour, deep down inside I and we both know our same feelings for eachother.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:03:08 2023 No.59823124 >>59822701 They wouldn’t get mad if it didn’t hit close to home

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:14:38 2023 No.59823537 File: 1.38 MB, 1128x1806, TOP3SC'ed vtuber in EN.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] guess which one leans the most toward parasocial pandering

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:19:53 2023 No.59823723 >>59823537 ...All of them...?

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:25:25 2023 No.59823878

>>59822127
I still don't see why is this the fault of the streamer. No matter what they say it's clear that you are not dating them, you will never fuck them and you will never know what they look like. Any half-wit can tell they're just glorified prostitutes in need of money. And it isn't even like they're actually specifically targeting you, because they don't even know you, your real name or whatever mental condition you're in which is exactly what aids predatory people in taking advantage of people.

The only people I see actually falling for that are unironically the mentally ill, and those people are pretty much in the shit anyway so they are prone to just gamble and drink their money away, pitiful, but not anyone's fault. To me this seems like the whole videogames make people violent shit in which a few mentally ill people will be influenced and most will do just fine.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:29:53 2023 No.59824013

>>59823723
yeah
https://twitter.com/Vox_Akuma/status/1613398258189234176
https://twitter.com/Vox_Akuma/status/1573431065594716183
https://twitter.com/Vox_Akuma/status/1524601132517146626
https://twitter.com/Vox_Akuma/status/1567338544804364288
https://twitter.com/Vox_Akuma/status/1533481936135528450

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:35:58 2023 No.59824205 >>59815887 i was on track to do it too, but she got fed up with me not being too much of a provider. oh well. too bad

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:36:07 2023 No.59824209

>>59823537
Literally every member in this screenshot does it. So I don’t get your point and the red circles make less sense. What are you arguing? Kiara has 10k more supers than Gura and Vox has 20k more. Vox has only been around close to 2 years while Kiara and Gura are over 3 years. Yen was worth more on myth’s debut compared to now. Gura doesn’t read supers or stream as much as the other two

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:37:07 2023 No.59824242 >>59824013 So you just didn’t know that all of them do it

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:37:08 2023 No.59824243

>>59796329
there is actually girls that get in a emotional codependency with their chat, needing and seeking their approval, pushing themselves just to satisfy them.
this is even more likely with small or underperforming vt's because they are no ones irl, but when vtubing they are pampered by their virtual boyfriends.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:37:23 2023 No.59824252

>>59823878
You're literally just arguing from the position that everybody thinks like you about it except for some small niche. If you think that falling for it requires an idiot, then guess what, the majority of the tens of thousands of people watching GFE are idiots. Realistically speaking though, the fact that so many people fall for it should tip you off and make you realize that maybe something more is at work here than just idiocy.
Also, your description of what is and isn't predatory makes no sense. People who run casinos don't drag specific people in. And yet they can still be predatory.
It's nothing like the video games and violence thing because that argument had literally 0 basis from the start, whereas what this thread is talking about is a common occurrence with GFE vtubers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:39:55 2023 No.59824327 We should just outlaw being human then. Problem solved.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:40:41 2023 No.59824345

>>59822757
Did I stutter? Anyone incapable of enjoying the responsibilities of personal liberty has no place in the larger society. You aren't special just because you find yourself unable to refuse the demands of girls who don't even know who you are. You're just another undesirable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:40:44 2023 No.59824346 File: 83 KB, 767x773, 1687582656121618.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>59824205 >woman with no worth would prefer to wait for the impossible chad than settle with a sub-8 male Kek. That's just so 2023.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:43:20 2023 No.59824425

>>59823878
It's kanojo okarishimasu except the simp never even gets to pretend for a little while.

This is also something I was thinking recently, vtubing has become 'like tinder' except unlike dating apps which dangle the candle of matches in exchange for paying for the premium service, vtubing will never actually get you a gf so your brain thinks there will be a payoff for sending money, but that's impossible. Literally condemning yourself to a hellish dopamine backlash when your brain wonders why sending money didn't allow you to get girl, since your instincts tell you providing food to woman makes her like you.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:43:54 2023 No.59824440

>>59824243
This leads to smaller ones getting groomed and larger ones getting even worse socially which I’ll be real I’m ok with.

>>59824252
He’s on a vtuber board where girls and some guys get millions in donations. Don’t feed the schizos let them starve

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:44:32 2023 No.59824457 >>59824345 >Anyone incapable of enjoying the responsibilities of personal liberty has no place in the larger society the majority of people are fucking retards my guy

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:45:01 2023 No.59824470

>>59824346
her words were, after 2 years of being my gf: she'd rather be alone
well okay then
i mean i liked her, but i was and still am dealing with my own problems, and i dont have it all together enough to be able to be some chad that can provide for a mom and her (nice and smart but poorly raised because of course, single mom) kid. thats not to say that i didnt care about them or anything. but yeah. real women can be a total waste of time

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:46:57 2023 No.59824534 >>59824457 Stop samefagging >>59824470 They’re single with kids for a reason. 9/10 it’s bad life choices this isn’t tv

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:47:35 2023 No.59824557

>>59824470
>i mean i liked her, but i was and still am dealing with my own problems
I was actually thinking about this a few minutes ago, that women only seem to be 'available' when you are having problems in your personal life that would mean dating them would add an additional, untenable burden. Lol. Oh well.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:48:22 2023 No.59824585

>>59824425
Here's the thing....you DONT NEED TO SEND MONEY. GFE is free for regular streams, and you can at most member so you get members content, but that's a small tip for their service. An actual 3d rental GF charges by the hour and you'll need to budget quite a bit of spending to sustain that lifestyle (hostesses, escorts, etc). If you are akasupa'ing your oshi, you are just simping on the same level of paying for onlyfans etc. The premium service on dating apps is also a scam, but you literally don't get anything for being a donation paypig besides a tiny bit of attention. If you have so much of an ego that you care about having your name read on stream, you are already too far gone to be reasoned with. Just enjoy the voyeur experience as part of a faceless collective known as "chat".

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:48:31 2023 No.59824592 >>59824209 >>59824242 give proof then

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:48:54 2023 No.59824607 >>59824534 >Stop samefagging I have 0 clue what you mean and looking through the reply chain I don't even see anything that could resemble samefagging

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:49:11 2023 No.59824616 >>59794535 Don't worry, the installation of the NWO is proceeding smoothly. Give it few more years and the Internet regulations you want will be there.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:51:03 2023 No.59824671

>>59824457
The problem with most people on 4chan is that they don't get a society can only be sustained if it works for the average guy. The 5 foot 9, 110 IQ guy with an associate's degree in geospatial tracking who makes 56k a year in Fresno doing that, barely affording his rent and dreaming of moving to Kentucky where his rent can easily pay a mortgage in an area with less crime. Anons will scream and moan while claiming they're software engineers at google making 500k a year (but posting while work is happening) and that human beings below the top 5% should be exterminated. Are they really a rich SWE at google? Can't say, but anons will always think of themselves as that top 5%, never are they in the 95% of the 'useless masses'.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:51:04 2023 No.59824673 >>59824585 see >>59820544 and >>59800708

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:52:43 2023 No.59824722 >>59824592 Give proof of what, Gura and Kiara being parasocial? How new are you? Literally ask their generals if they are and they'll say the same thing.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:52:53 2023 No.59824729

>>59824585
I know
And you don't need to pay for dating apps either. But the dating apps posit that you will be a lot more successful if you pay, just like your brain thinks sending money=Kawaii-tan will go out with you. But that's not the case. Your brain's subconscious instincts are being tricked and it leads you to feel empty when Kawaii-tan goes offline.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:54:05 2023 No.59824755 >>59824722 so, no examples like the ones vox does?

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:54:22 2023 No.59824763

>>59823878
I think the main concept that GFE enjoyers need to understand is the same difference between watching porn and hiring an escort. Everyone knows they shouldn't fall in love with their stripper, but some simps will anyways, but at least that's somewhat understandable due to all the hormones associated with intimacy. However, watching GFE is literally just watching a recording of a POV date that you get to self-insert in, akin to porn, but you don't see most people falling in love with their favorite pornstar. Once people can start making that distinction and stop treating their oshi as a real person and moreso a character providing a service (akin to a dating sim video game etc), the better off they will be in the long run. Then again, you have schizos who unironically fall in love with 2d characters and drawings even without needing a 3d person behind the scenes, and some streamers definitely become "too real" with their personality rather than keeping kayfabe, so it's a fine line. Let's just hurry up and get AI to replace streamers so everyone can have a customized oshi that they pay a monthly subscription for instead of fighting for attention with akasupas on stream. All the personal attention, affection, and customized personality you want, just for the low price of $99 a month (or $499 like tinder select...?)

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 06:59:05 2023 No.59824914

>>59824729
The thing is that dating apps at least have a direct correlation with paying=success since they literally inflate your elo score and show your profile to more people to increase matches, whereas free users eventually get shadowbanned. That said, your average incel from /here/ still will see 0 success even on their $499 a month plan, but that's irrelevant.
Yes, lizard brain suggests that paying=get attention from waifu, but that's moreso a (you) problem. She never said she would date her top paypig (aside from a few select 2views you might actually successfully groom), so anyone with a corpo oshi is just being a cognitive dissonant schizo who deludes themselves that her saying (your) name on stream is the equivalent of saying she wants to fuck you IRL. Are there tons of lonely loser guys who want to believe in their superstitutious bullshit that being a paypig will lead to success? Yes of course, but they are mentally unwell individuals to begin with, just like any other kind of gambling/alcohol/drug addict.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:03:09 2023 No.59825045

>>59824755
Vox was a shameless schizo about his nonsense, I don't understand what your angle is here. This thread isn't about Vox. If you want examples of Gura doing GFE then check her membership posts and streams, if you want examples of Kiara doing it check her Twitter and basically any superchat reading. I don't understand what you're trying to argue about.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:05:11 2023 No.59825092 >>59824914 Anon, most people who pay out the nose aren't trying to groom her into picking them as their boyfriend. They already see themselves in a relationship with her, an unconventional one. And a massive amount of GFE vtubers reinforce that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:05:13 2023 No.59825096 Just stop masturbating. They lose all power over you when you have enough self-control to not jack your dick off whenever you feel a twinge of sexual excitement.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:07:56 2023 No.59825157

>>59824763
People wouldn't get exploited that way if they could do that I agree, but a running theme of history is that the human brain is simultaneously occasionally brilliant and also absolutely fucked, with the majority of people getting hit harder by the latter than the former. And societal problems always exacerbate some issues too.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:08:57 2023 No.59825186

>>59824671
Very solid points all around, and for the majority of society, men are overall screwed aside from that tiny minority. The most obvious sign are "tradcon" influencers and media celebrities telling people to just "man up and get married" for the sake of sacrificing for society. There's a reason marriage and birth rates have gone down the gutter, but rather than see why things are this way, media pundits just choose to blame men for following the lambs to the slaughter (recent controversy and commentary on how Daily Wire "tradcons" is a good example here since they are out of touch media millionaires who can't possibly relate to someone making <250k a year.) Righteous justice to see grifters like Steven Crowder tell guys to get married by finding a "good one", only to get his life ruined by his wife in divorce.

As for the income point, I actually know a decent number of actual big tech SWE and financial quants making that 300-400k starting salary, and a significant number end up as paypigs to 3dpd gold diggers or outright marriage scams. Think about it...what kind of person ends up in those super technical quantitative positions? Exactly, the shutin mathlete nerd who has 0 social skills, and then suddenly sees a whore trying to push themselves on them. Easy prey every time. IQ and financial success don't necessarily correlate to emotional intelligence with romance...just look at Elon Musk.
As an example, look at the lolcow here: he makes your assumptions far too generous with 5'9 110 IQ, even though he's likely raking in at least 300-400k a year.
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/success/whats-been-your-experience-with-hingex-the-premium-subscription

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:12:39 2023 No.59825289

>>59824252
No, I acknowledge that there are people that may really take it seriously, but those by definition are mentally ill. The only reason why there seems to be many it's because there truly are a lot of mentally ill lonely people in the world but that's not what I want to understand: What I want to know is how is this not the individuals fault?

I don't see where that casino comparison is going, honestly. If all gambling was simply mentally ill people deciding to go inside of a casino and losing all their money like morons it would be fine and well but the fact is that casinos actively scam people through slot machines; they do know you, they know your playing habits, they know how often you come and they're also protected (and endorsed) by the government.

For streamers I don't really see this being the case. You watch her stream, she reads your supa and tells you she loves you, you proceed to believe her and it's up to you to be a sperg about it. Unless she promises she will do something in return for you or something like that I don't see how is this more than just people being autistic about things. Is there anything in specific that they do to make people become bankrupt for them?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:12:59 2023 No.59825301 >>59800196 all of the things you listed are legal and exploited to the fullest extent possible.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:15:45 2023 No.59825371

>>59825092
Sadly mentally ill addicts exist everywhere, but honestly to some extent that's just natural selection. A fool and their money is soon parted, so there can only be so much sympathy for those with those issues. Even then, I've watched most corpo GFE streamers and the number that are super manipulative are generally not THAT high. Sure, you'll get donobaiting and cases like the Rushia wedding ring merch to bait gachis, but most of the delusion is self-inflicted due to their own schizo mental disorder. At most, the girls generally just don't break the illusion for the sake of kayfabe (since it's profitable), but demand begets supply.

>>59825301
>>59800196
GFE providers are by no means saints, but that goes for just about ANYTHING in modern consumerist society: should we ban McDonalds and Coca Cola since obesity/heart disease are the top killers of Amerifats? If junk food, casinos, and alcohol/tobacco are legal, GFE and prostitution are comparatively less harmful (albeit these all have negative social externalities from a macro perspective). At the end of the day, it's a supply and demand issue: if men didn't demand GFE, girls wouldn't sell it, just like any form of the world's oldest profession.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:17:43 2023 No.59825427

>>59824534
i had wanted to be a good life choice for her, but yeah honestly single moms in particular can be really double-faced in that they have the potential to be the most kind women you'll ever meet and then when they don't like you anymore they're just vile manhating feminists of the worst kind.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:20:00 2023 No.59825474

Honestly I have a massive amount of respect for the few GFE vtubers I know that operate with genuine respect and compassion for their fans. Almost all of them end up dependent on their fans but the ones who care are the type who benefit from the constant attention and love directed at them far more than they lose from being dependent on their audience. They are also the ones least likely to pull exploitative stunts that milk their gachikoi.
My opinion is pretty much "if you feel uncomfortable about committing to this kind of relationship with your chat, just don't do fucking GFE"
Because it's those types that cause the vast majority of the horror stories. Seemingly genuine GFE vtubers, despite necessarily being schizo for being able to actually feel that way about a nameless blob of names, are actually doing a lot of net good. The insincere ones should be fucking ostracized.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:20:45 2023 No.59825497 File: 18 KB, 1077x77, the vtuber paypig.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>59825186 GRIM

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:23:41 2023 No.59825568

>>59825289
Here's the thing, casinos are not "scamming" you since they are actually regulated and no longer rig the machines to actually be unwinnable/give impossibly low odds. Every stat is posted at the very beginning, and in "theory" people know what they're getting into...just like we totally read the EULA for every spyware social media app we download (FB and Tiktok among others). It's not illegal (albeit unethical) to hire psychologists to study human behavior and find ways to optimize profits. Do you think major corporations don't do that? McDonalds is literally red and yellow since psych studies showed those colors cause people to buy/eat more. Gacha games are virtual casinos that have a 0% payout rate, whereas actual casinos have a legal obligation to set rates so that payout rates are in the 80-90% range and they profit from earning that 10-20% of each dollar you put in through the long run. It's just using knowledge and research to optimize for the best outcome.

Rest of your post is spot on regarding streamers though. Mentally ill spergs have schizophrenic delusions about their GFE streamer loving them, or maybe that are just into paypig findom. Daily reminder that GFE is a SUPER TINY niche compared to the endless streams of Onlyfans/Instathot/twitch e-girl content, which targets normies. Maybe you can argue that vtuber fans are far less socially functional and more mentally ill on average, but the point is that the entirety of modern society and social media are based on the simp attention economy. You see plenty of people bankrupting themselves for their favorite prostitute/stripper/camgirl, even to an infamous case where a NEET killed his family to donate their life savings to his camgirl. Maybe we can argue GFE is heading towards the same terminus as the rest of the Thot economy, but so far it's nowhere near as bad (yet).

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:25:39 2023 No.59825614

>>59824914
I'm telling you it's not how realistic it is but how the brain instinctively understands it. It's why people who jerk off too much report feeling empty inside. Your brain understands you are cumming a lot and thinks you are impregnating many women, but your conscious mind knows that isn't true and when you turn off your computer to go to sleep (unless you're jackin' it in your bed with your phone which would be kinda gross ngl) your brain sends a wave of sad chemicals to you because it wants to know where your wife and kid are, but neither exists because you're just a coomer. This problem will only become horrendously worse as VR headsets and onaholes which react to your perfect virtual AI simulation girlfriend lead to people rejecting reality outright because the dopamine hangover will be too much when you have to take off the headset and go to work feeling like shit because the Miku-chan in your headset who told you to have a great day at work, sweatie! isn't real and your brain can't figure out where the fuck she went when you took off the headset.

GRIM

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:26:08 2023 No.59825626

>>59825289
Let me get this straight; you think casinos know you because they know how their target audience works and mold themselves around it, but you also think GFE vtubers don't know anything about their target audience and don't mold their content around it?
Because unless you think that the people who run casinos have clairvoyance, I can't think of what else you are trying to argue.
And what does being protected by the government have to do with anything, except reinforce that casinos are designed to exploit mental vulnerabilities, misinformation and flawed reasoning?(exactly what insincere GFE vtubers do, because they know their target audience)

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:26:40 2023 No.59825641

>>59825474
I've probably said it a million times across the recent surge of GFE threads, but most people are far too vulnerable to literally falling in love with their stripper/escort. These guys need to touch some grass, enjoy the variety and realize that your first whore isn't some special goddess to be put on a pedestal. They're literally a dime a dozen, so stick to the one-visit rule with each whore before moving on, thus avoiding attachment to any individual one. Eventually you'll intentionally burn out your pair bonding instinct (just like modern women who ride the carousel), and you can see them as simple replaceable/disposable service providers and nothing more.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:28:19 2023 No.59825679

>>59825289
>Unless she promises she will do something in return for you or something like that I don't see how is this more than just people being autistic about things. Is there anything in specific that they do to make people become bankrupt for them?
many GFE vtubers do in fact make promises about both their content and their relationship with their audience and often wrap it around statements that can be simplified down to "as long as you support me".

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:29:55 2023 No.59825708 >>59800708 I only donate off stream and to the ones who really need it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:33:07 2023 No.59825787 >>59825641 i cant even get aroused around a woman i dont know intimately, so i dont think i can handle that kind of 'pay to fuck someone' thing.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:33:19 2023 No.59825798

>>59825614
Again, your argument isn't wrong since that's basically how our primal lizard brains work, but perhaps it's missing some societal context. It's similar to the recent media campaign against AI girlfriends....the primary users of those simp milkers aren't choosing between AI GF and IRL 3d GF. They are choosing between AI GF and absolutely nothing since they can never get a 3d GF/wife/family.
In your VR scenario, you have the choice between a loner incel who is completely alone in his room, or gets to enjoy a VR waifu/android onahole experience after coming back home. It's a grim reality, but the latter is the exact type of bread and circuses that can keep such cogs in the machine turning without resorting to suicide and leading to societal collapse. Remember the discussions a few years ago about how men weren't "growing up" and spent all day playing video games instead of chasing women? AI GFs are just the next step to substitute an artificial replacement for IRL women.

Honestly vtubers are the alpha prototype for future AI GFs. We don't have the technology (yet), so we still use an IRL person to mimic the performance behind the scenes for now. Once neurosama and the like are perfected through the efforts of /vtai/ and /wAIfu/, there's no need to shill for 3dpd girls behind the avatar, just a self-learning algorithm that is (your) personal cutomized oshi that matches your every preference and desire. Enjoy your cyberpunk corporate dystopia, but at least it's better that big tech gets your simpbucks rather than 3dpd whores on the internet right?

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:33:41 2023 No.59825809

>>59825371
Gambling and prostitution are illegal in large parts of the US. Hiring a prostitute is illegal but being a prostitute IS legal in a bunch of leftist EU shitholes including sweden. These countries also have "sugar taxes".
All of this is proof that leftists are OK with exploiting lonely men. Then they're surprised that more and more of them fucking lose it and go on rampages and that young men vote to take away women's rights.
Shit will get hilarious 20 years from now if this trend keeps up. Their numbers just keep increasing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:33:59 2023 No.59825818 >>59825371 Nobody in Hololive is really deep into the GFE, weirdly enough. Not since Rushia, anyway. But if you watched Rushia you should be very well aware that it was absolutely not treated as a joke by the majority of her fanbase.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:35:22 2023 No.59825851 >>59825371 >should we ban McDonalds and Coca Cola yes, but start with porn first.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:35:24 2023 No.59825853

>>59825787
Sounds like a (you) problem....but if this was actually true, you wouldn't be aroused by (internet women) you watch streams of. If you're able to get aroused by a parasocial relationship, I'm sure you can figure out a cure to your ED and get over it eventually. Either that, or leave this board, hit up /fit/ and /soc/ and try to be a normie with a 1% chance of winning the wife/kids/family lottery.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:36:12 2023 No.59825870

if you wanna support a gfe vtuber with money and feel less guilt, buy merch from her that you can actually use or enjoy, or an album or a song or whatever. there's always less guilt if you actually buy a usable tangible product as opposed to a "service" of pretending to be your gf

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:36:41 2023 No.59825886 >>59825787 same here GFE helps me so much because I literally cannot be attracted to a woman unless I am in love with them. And if I think it's one sided it's just painful.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:36:58 2023 No.59825892

>>59825626
What I meant by that is that big casinos often times have databases of their customers, pretty grim stuff. It's not just walking in and gambling (which would be fine).

I asked if there was anything in specific that they do to deceive you already. What exactly is it that makes them be at fault for people with crippling loneliness and mental illnesses spending money on them?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:37:19 2023 No.59825901 >>59825853 no i dont get aroused by women pretending to be my gf on the internet. porn is arousing though. clearly there is a problem.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:37:41 2023 No.59825915 >>59825870 sorry but I don't understand, why would somebody feel guilt about it

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:37:53 2023 No.59825919

>>59825798
The campaign against AI girlfriends isn't done to help those guys it's done to keep them in the rat race chasing real women. But the fact these guys will become addicted to unreality and eventually totally withdraw is almost a given. But it's not my problem since it'll mostly affect Gen Beta in 30 years.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:38:28 2023 No.59825934 Lonely men should support 2views and other indies. You don't even need much money for that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:42:55 2023 No.59826044 >>59825679 What kind of promises? Do they not keep them? Depending on that they may actually be predatory.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:43:09 2023 No.59826054

>>59825915
for me i take real issue to someone being my gf only because i paid them. that'd be like there is nothing good about me besides my money. literally anyone else can pay them to be their gf. it is very guilt-inducing to reduce your self-worth to something so low as "im not good for anything but my money"

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:43:33 2023 No.59826061 >>59825934 The issue with 2views is that you don't know which ones are trustworthy and don't have much background info to look into(usually) reps are critical for people who want to get invested because they at least provide some kind of warning

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:44:31 2023 No.59826090

>>59825818
Exactly, it's laughable that Holo is so desperate for GFE that they'll even consider Shiori to be...I WANT EN RUSHIA GODDAMMIT.
But actually, when I said corpo, was mostly referring to small corpos. Definitely rather dry as a whole, but there are a small subset of small corpos and indies (ex-tsunderia, ex-kawaii, Idol, Phase etc) who can put on a decent act.

>>59825851
It sounds good in theory, but it ends up just spreading degeneracy across the country. Look at China and South Korea, both of which banned porn. You just see massive spikes in softcore porn (like how sexualized kpop becomes), under-the-table escorting, and ultimate unrest from the youth population. China was literally so desperate due to their oversupply of young men with no futures that they have considered solutions including (but not limited to): importing peasant girls from North Korea and SEA, creating AI sexbots to keep the men happy, creating a government automated matchmaking system, or the classic option of just sending all the men off to die in war. Honestly, easy access to porn is probably the reason why you don't see EVEN more rioting and ER /r9k/ shootings. If you want to do away with it, you need to fundamentally alter modern society into some kind of tradcon patriarchal dystopia.

>>59825919
Mainstream is slowly waking up to the upcoming demographic collapse across the first world. JP and KR are the first, but EU and US are collapsing just as fast in population. Liberals think that more feminist freedom will save birthrates (conveniently covering up their biggest 90's argument that greater female empowerment LOWERS birthrate, back when overpopulation was a concern), meanwhile Conservatives think that they can shame men back onto the plantation to be screwed over by feminist family courts. Both sides have literally no solution to the collapse, and we are due to a JP tier lost decade/generation once population decline causes economic stagnation and a collapse in the dependency ratio (4 grandparents, 2 parents, only 1 single child to support them), with no future generations. The Social Security ponzi scheme can't go on without birthrates. Realistically China will just push for either forced marriages/birth quotas, or eventually develop artificial wombs to mass produce drones/soldiers to set up Attack of the Clones/Brave New World.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:45:40 2023 No.59826118

I honestly haven't seen a good argument against GFE or a good suggestion on what can/should be done if it's such a societal hazard.

Most people stuck more or less know they're stuck but refuse to do anything about it except complain and wallow in their misery. I never liked the "pull yourself out by your bootstraps" mentality because it usually undermines personal struggles one goes through before getting to an extreme low point but it really is the best solution for these types of problems. There's probably some underlying problem with your mental health so maybe go see a therapist or do some fucking shrooms or something, IDK. Just being a miserable cunt won't do you any good and you owe it to yourself to try and be a little happy outside the influence of your phone/pc Monitor.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:47:18 2023 No.59826160

>>59826044
Promises to not be or get into a relationship are exceptionally common among GFE vtubers. That's one major example I can think of at least. A lot of the time it comes packed with acting flabbergasted at the mere idea, which is fine and cute if they mean it, but when it's one that doesn't intend to keep it then laughing at people who think that it's possible for her and being upset at people who doubt her is by definition gaslighting as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:48:12 2023 No.59826184 >>59826061 >you don't know which ones are trustworthy None of them. They all are women.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:54:02 2023 No.59826300

>>59826054
>>59825915
Honestly, reaching that realization that I am only good for money is honestly also liberating in its own way. If I'm a 6/10 who wants a 9/10, I need to compensate for those 3 points somehow. Sure, I could either be an amazing person and cater to every one of her needs, or she could be an irreparable menhera that docks a few points off....or I could just pay. Just a basic calculation of my income/hr, versus the number of hours I need to listen to her bullshit, do nice things, and otherwise be supportive etc means that I spend maybe 1/10th or less of the effort to get a similar enough result. It's akin to the idea of: do I spend half hour washing dishes a year (i.e. 180 hrs a year), or do I work an extra 5-10 hours and pay a housekeeper to do it for me, thus saving 170+hrs a year. It's not easy to get an IRL relationship where your GF pampers you with ear cleaning, ASMR, kinks, cooking, cleaning, etc. Much easier to just pay for each of those services standalone, and you can probably get a girl much hotter (and more variety) by only requiring each to do 1 job instead of requiring them to do EVERYTHING (i.e. you get more search results by only requiring 1 parameter, rather than asking for 5-10 at the same time to build a perfect partner).

Will it be the same as a real loving relationship? Of course not, but I've gotten so jaded with trust issues that I don't think I'm even capable of opening myself up to that much vulnerability (either emotionally, financially, or professionally). As an early retired NEET, any kind of relationship opens me up to potentially losing half or more of what I own (thus forcing me back to work) and given my yandere/menhera fetish, more than likely some false accusations/lawsuits/etc that cause lots of drama in life. I'll take my budget combination of GFE ASMR, massage therapist, rental GF, hostess, and escort (with each potentially being a different person) compared to asking for the impossible for a complete package (which even if she existed, would certainly not be reachable for me anyways).

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:54:03 2023 No.59826301

>>59826118
Socially stigmatize GFE vtubers who aren't "real" about what they say they feel and do and lie out the ass while doing everything they can to pull their donors deeper into something that isn't even true just wring out as much cash as possible while breaking every expectation they themselves peddle off-screen
Do that and at the very least you get a situation where only the girls schizo enough to actually sacrifice their love life and so on for the sake of being GFE end up doing it. Which means that you get a situation where the exploitater is at least emotionally invested in the welfare of the people being exploited. That wouldn't eradicate every problem, but it would absolutely dramatically mitigate most of them.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:56:21 2023 No.59826365

>>59826184
Just need to find an honest whore who does her job well and gets out without causing any additional drama. Good attitude, enthusiasm, and professionalism are key, even if she's ultimately still just doing it for a job. Even better if she genuinely loves the job (which is rare, but possible), or at least pretends to love it and is convincing.
Riifu is the perfect example of this, and she's still one of the most beloved (albeit niche) chuubas on this board. Waiting for her new AVtuber corpo (with blackjack and hookers) with bated breath.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:57:27 2023 No.59826386

>>59826090
>China was literally so desperate due to their oversupply of young men with no futures that they have considered solutions including (but not limited to): importing peasant girls from North Korea and SEA
How is that a bad thing. Allowing young men to buy sex slaves is a viable solution as proven by China.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:58:30 2023 No.59826411 >>59826365 >Riifu Maaaaan I too want Riifu back.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:59:11 2023 No.59826428

>>59826301
tldr: make PL doxxing acceptable (still no hard dox on IRL identity). It's mostly ignorant newbies who end up becoming goslings, and anyone who has done their reps will generally know not to get too attached to any of these girls due to their questionable personal histories (shiori...biboo...mumei....fauna...among others).

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 07:59:50 2023 No.59826443 >>59826300 you're in a very unique situation. it's enviable in a way, but some people still want that stuff done for them not explicitly just for money.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:01:10 2023 No.59826477 >>59826428 >biboo uh oh what

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:01:33 2023 No.59826486

>>59826301
>stigmatize GFE vtubers who aren't "real"
Maybe don't get invested in relationship dynamics that you damn well know are impossible from the get go. I actually have more sympathy for people who fell for obvious crypto scams that promised ungodly returns.
Like fuck man, even >>59820210 , someone with anxiety and the trauma of being raped has enough common sense to not get so attached to these types of relationship dynamics. This is like railing against escort services, you are not going to win. Best thing you can do is stop pursuing gfe in total and either enjoy the streamer for what they are and don't throw your livelihood at them like 99% of the other people who watch for entertainment, or leave completely and just try to better yourself.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:02:40 2023 No.59826514

>>59826386
Never said it's bad....in America we call it becoming a sexpat. Take your pick between Pattaya, Manila, Ho Chi Minh, Bali, and or wherever else you find jannies, and you too can order a poor village girl half your age.
Cons: generally they will be cold, gold digging prostitutes that will leave you as soon as they can receive Western citizenship and cash out their divorce.

>>59826477
Check her FF14 guild logs. Ironic that both Biboo and Nerissa (a certain chonky Chocobo) ended up being done in by FF. Truly a cursed game for the gen.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:03:21 2023 No.59826524

>>59826160
I can agree that practice is predatory in a way, even if they're probably just doing it to keep up the GFE experience. Honestly if you make a career out of being everyone's pretend e-girlfriend you shouldn't be in a relationship or at the very least be sneaky about it, that should just be basic business sense.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:04:00 2023 No.59826536

>>59826428
This would probably be part of it but meidos would have to actually differentiate between doxposts that misinformation spammed by antis and actual information relevant to a conversation and the meidos here are too busy either whiteknighting specific girls or corporations or banning people for racism against brown people

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:07:10 2023 No.59826609

>>59826514
i mean i dont really care that much about whether they have boyfriends or not because i am realistically not going to be their boyfriend. what does matter is theyre not doing badly or being affected badly by their boyfriend enough not to do their jobs properly, which would be terrible for everyone.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:09:01 2023 No.59826658

>>59826486
As I said, some people use those relationship dynamics to genuinely improve their quality of life, both directly and indirectly. And in the end you are basically saying that lonely men should as a massive group just stop suffering from loneliness as opposed to pressuring the much smaller group of people who would do GFE to stop sociopathically manipulating people. Even if the former is your end goal, it should be obvious that it's a much harder thing to accomplish and that doing the latter is a meaningful measure to take in order to mitigate harm while you work on the former.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:10:19 2023 No.59826683

>>59826443
This is a very interesting topic that I've always wondered for a long time. For instance, I literally read ER's entire manifesto and the core point was that he wanted to show off his money/status to attract girls (but was too autistic to actually do anything beyond standing around awkwardly in designer clothes). However, he adamantly refused to consider any kind of transactional relationship (even though he explicitly wants a hot blonde gold digger), but somehow paying to not be an incel would be too big of a hit to pride.

I'm just as much of an idealistic romantic as most other GFE enjoyers on this board, esp coming from over a decade of romance anime/manga/dating sim visual novels. However, real life has been enough of a kick in the nuts to know that such idealism almost never works in reality. Out of every single friend/relative I know, not a single one has ever been in a genuinely happy or fulfilling relationship (classic Asian stereotype of marriage of convenience/working partnership at best), with many successful individuals falling for the gold dig trap, or eventually settling for a frumpy tech girl at their office. Add in the racket of one-sided divorce courts, seeing a bunch of false accusations thrown around that resulted in good guys getting expelled from college/fired from career, and already being burned by 3d menheras, I think it's far safer to indulge in the yandere fetish in 2d instead. I've been there and done that with the fake normie act, and it's exhausting. Dealing with real people is exhausting, and it's far cheaper to just get a desired service with cash rather than try to "earn" that reward through the alternate currency system of "good deeds/effort/rapport".
Tldr: I don't want a 3dpd GF, I want a maid/2d waifu, or at least the closest equivalent IRL.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:12:25 2023 No.59826726

>>59826609
I still love the rrat that Fauna was meant to go all-in on GFE ASMR as the EN Rushia until her PL was found...man imagine what could have been. Such a tragic loss if that was actually the case.
On the other hand, BF isn't the main issue, and generally you see a trend with some of these girls being seriously damaged by their groomer/abusive ex'es, which I find to be far more relevant than a current healthy relationship. That said, as much as I find the unicorns to go overboard with their idol shaming for secret BF, perhaps this is the kind of wake up call/intervention needed to get them to stop simping and move on in life?

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:13:46 2023 No.59826758

>>59826524
>Honestly if you make a career out of being everyone's pretend e-girlfriend you shouldn't be in a relationship
This, and even then I would only judge the ones who really go all in and refuse to allow any other narrative other than that they are your GF. But that really does cover a lot of them. Many are crazy enough to believe what they're saying, but the ones who aren't are actual psychopaths in my view. It's not hard to make it obvious that it's roleplay, blurring the line is a very deliberate choice and continually making assertions and promises to your fans because of their support only to break all of them behind the scenes and fuck them up mentally when it eventually comes out is just not something I think people should defend and blame the fans for.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:14:19 2023 No.59826766 This truly is a Holoboard

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:14:30 2023 No.59826771 i'm disabled and literally dysgenic, it is unironically better for me to be alone than put some girl through the trouble of being in a relationship with me

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:16:55 2023 No.59826820

>>59826771
Even disabled/dysgenic people can get a GF in theory, but you'd have to settle for a looksmatch (at best). It's similar to how even "BBW" landwhales don't want a short or fat guy either. Why bother with dating a fellow 3/10 with all the problems that comes with when you can enjoy a 10/10 anime waifu instead? Just wait for customizable AI waifu vtubers with onahole android integration, and we can truly begin our lives in the matrix?

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:17:20 2023 No.59826826

>>59826726
i like Fauna a lot, but thats because i think she's really funny and witty. for me, she doesnt need to do gfe. she's fun and entertaining enough for that to not be necessary for me. besides i'll never be her bf anyway

>>59826683
im not going to go so far as to demean you or be some sort of "who hurt you" guy, because honestly you aren't wrong at all. i would say it is frankly just a matter of preference that i myself just mostly refuse to pay directly for someone to pretend to love me or do stuff out of the pretention of love for me. money will always be a factor, but for me it should never be the only factor.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:18:21 2023 No.59826845 >>59826820 exactly, its either go full matrix or do some /x/ shit and summon a spirit or something

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:18:47 2023 No.59826856 >>59797059 Mentally ill individuals should be held responsible for their actions.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:20:08 2023 No.59826895

>>59826658
You should stop because this isn't an addiction and nor are you a stupid person who's a victim of fraud. You can and should do something about the situation you are if you are suffering from depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, etc. etc. regardless of the vtuber streamer you happen to be infatuated with right now. They are not the root cause of your loneliness and you shouldn't use them as anything but entertainment.

Rally all you want but you are not helping yourself or men suffering from loneliness. If anything you are just making other guys look like insufferable losers and less sympathetic and more likely to be ridiculed for seeking out help.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:21:34 2023 No.59826924 >>59826856 Mentally ill people should be held responsible for being used by people who actively target the vulnerability induced by their mental illness?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:23:50 2023 No.59826976 >>59826820 it's not even really that, i just know that offer nothing of note and plus i'm at the point to where i prefer being by myself since i dont have to worry about anyone screwing me over other than myself

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:25:56 2023 No.59827027

>>59826895
Did you even read my post? Stop trying to drag the topic back to me, I'm discussing the problem at large.
>you're not helping
You're actively harming them by suggesting that the status quo of mocking them is superior to a situation that mitigates harm

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:26:25 2023 No.59827040 >>59826924 Yes. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. No excuses.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:27:39 2023 No.59827063

>>59826976
>thinking you offer nothing of note
terrible way to live life. im not saying youre the best person ever, but to just think that you arent worth anything is just very defeatist. even if you say youre starting from nothing, some things are possible to be worked on.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:28:03 2023 No.59827071

>>59826826
Fair point, but I wonder where that sense of pride or obsession with the "genuine" comes from. I've spent a lot of time introspecting and focusing on philosophy, but even then perhaps I'm just autistically obsessed with efficiency and optimizing for outcomes rather than holding onto idealistic optimism in thinking that I can beat the odds.
Perhaps another aspect is a realization that I live life like a complete degenerate very similar to our modern Diogenes, who once stated "no human can survive life with Asmongold". Obviously it's impossible for any woman to possibly want to live like that, nor do I want to go through the motions of working for X years obtaining all those empty consumerist status symbols. Standard example of the type of Asian gold/status digging girls are those who said they "aren't materialistic", but wanted a new Gucci bag a month, or another who wanted to get married at graduation and ultimately expected a multi-million dollar house in Greenwich and all their future kids needed elite private school/private sports and music lessons. Considering I know guys who married girls like those, I know they can actually achieve it with their Compsci or Quant Finance degrees, but they have another 20 years of suffering work ahead of them, rather than already being retired.
Rather than try to force myself back into that mold (where I already spent nearly a decade pretending to be a normie), I just want to be my autistic depressed nihilistic self without needing to put on that mask of pretending to care about some random girl. I don't want to put any effort into any relationship, and I like things to be one sided and just compensate them for their efforts instead (just like a parasocial relationship where I receive GFE from 2d waifu, but she doesn't know I exist).

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:30:45 2023 No.59827121 >>59827071 it's just validation. validation that i'm not just good for my money. that my effort to be a nice empathetic (or any other positive trait that i try to work hard towards) person isnt for nothing because someone loves me for it.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:30:53 2023 No.59827124

>>59827027
>You're actively harming them by suggesting that the status quo of mocking them is superior to a situation that mitigates harm
You're actively harming them by yelling at streamers who are not the cause of their problems as individuals. I am advocating for tackling the root cause which is a focus on mental health. You are just upset at these streamers and refuse to confront the reality of your situation. Yelling at the "whores" isn't going to fix your problem or anyone else's for that matter.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:37:33 2023 No.59827253

>>59827121
Hmm, interesting point about validation. I think one of the first lessons I learned through philosophy was probably that caring about what random people think about me is really stupid, and I shouldn't care about their opinions unless they are actually relevant to my life (family, friends, work, etc). Perhaps that was what really broke me out of the standard golden handcuffs in seeking out ever greater money/prestige, and choosing to live life as a degenerate NEET instead. Much more comfy, and while I wouldn't argue I'm happy due to lingering depression/nihilism, it's certainly an improvement over keeping the normie mask and chasing validation from others. At the same time, a greater understanding of "tradcon" Asian cultures and how Confucian countries (i.e. all of East Asia) are ultimately gold digging societies really puts things into context: nerdy Asian guys will always be loner incels, until they reach 30-35 and make 500k+, then all the used up ABG college party girls suddenly come crawling back. Compared to dealing with that shit (and getting scammed out of life savings), it's better to just be alone and embrace GFE. To some extent, I'll intentionally play up the NEET/broke/autistic label to avoid additional attention. I guess it is also partially due to a "been there, done that" sense of how being targetted by predatory women can be worse than being invisible instead. At least monetary transactions are mutually agreed upon contracts that are more honest than abstract "social contracts" that can be broken at any time.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:40:14 2023 No.59827303

>>59827124
The streamers I'm talking about know that they see exploiting vulnerabilities and addictive tendencies that they are fully aware are present in their target audience, they should be yelled at because that's an inherently fucked up thing to do.
Your approach will take an incredibly long time to actually accomplish, if it's actually possible at all, and more importantly you can literally still do that after first making it shameful to do the more flagrantly predatory stuff. It is a simpler task and means that the amount of suffering that happens from then on until you accomplish changing lonely men as an entire group(again if even possible), which as said, will take a long ass time. You want people to be exploited for years and years on end while you work on reaching everyone? Personally I think that changing the social expectations for streamers in this niche first, which would take a fraction of the time and effort, and then focusing on your idea and mitigating years worth of exploitation by doing so is what somebody who prioritizes mitigating the harm done by this sort of thing would do

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:46:25 2023 No.59827411

>>59827303
>The streamers I'm talking about know that they see exploiting vulnerabilities and addictive tendencies that they are fully aware are present in their target audience

If they are doing targeted ads and anything else that's possibly business related then go file a complaint with the SCC. Otherwise, as humiliated and let down you are at your previous oshi, you are not doing yourself or others any favors. I honestly doubt that whoever did this to you only got a menhera audience. I bet like 95 to 99% of the total audience was fine but you wanted more and now you're complaining and trying to get people rilled up instead of helping themselves work out whatever issues they had. God you're a piece of shit. I feel bad for whatever streamer you attach yourself to next.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:47:00 2023 No.59827419

>>59827253
there is a lot of merit to not caring about what random people think. but i just think there's also some merit in working towards some sort of improved version of yourself, enough to be worth some validation in the form of love or acts of love that doesn't just involve money.

it is really quite easy to be "done" with how things are with society or women as a whole, and i've mostly tuned it out myself. however, in the extremely astronomically low chance that some woman actually genuinely sees value in me besides money, when that time comes, i simply want to be able to step up to the plate. a lot of times in my life, i feel like i just wasnt able to.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:54:09 2023 No.59827564

>>59827411
Every single assumption you made is incorrect, also she lost half of her audience. You have 0 clue how GFE vtubers and the audience that frequents them operate and you've made it abundantly clear that you have no intention of gaining a realistic understanding of the situation. You are genuinely incapable of empathy. Have a good day.
>file a complaint to the SCC
lmao

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:56:04 2023 No.59827591

>>59827419
Oh I definitely agree that self improvement is important, and honestly half of this board should just listen to Ame, leave the board, and hit up /fit/. I suppose in general, the "don't care what others think" doesn't necessarily be a useless blob, but moreso ignore judgment from people who don't matter. That said, improve for yourself and not to try to appeal to others, as the latter is a losing proposition. Then again, things rarely work out that well in reality and you'll see most guys lifting to impress girls rather than for their own fitness, which is understandable (whatever works I suppose).
The main question is what direction you want to self improve in, and whether it's a worthwhile endeavor. It's a nice idea to learn how to be a "better" person who is more sociable, understanding, supportive etc, but is the effort that goes into it worthwhile? I've found that I end up utilizing those skills in work, and turn it off once done since continuing that false normie persona in daily life is exhausting when I don't have to. I.e. just because I know how to cook, clean, plan events, be a supportive psych counselor to fix her menhera issues, offer an impromptu motivational speech etc, that doesn't mean I want to use those skills regularly since they are incredibly draining and IRL relationships aren't worth that much effort.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:58:20 2023 No.59827622 INCEL THE THREAD

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:58:38 2023 No.59827626 >>59798796 >>59809763 >>59819963 He's talking about you btw

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 08:59:32 2023 No.59827639 >>59827622 this anon has sex with dogs

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:01:19 2023 No.59827679 >>59827591 nothing you said is wrong, but i just really wanna be good enough when the time comes. if it doesnt, then great, im still good enough for myself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:16:44 2023 No.59827992 After reading this thread I think I will build myself an hut in northern Finland and spend the rest of my days as an hermit

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:17:51 2023 No.59828021 >>59827992 godspeed may you attain nirvana

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:18:35 2023 No.59828033 >>59827992 It tends to happen when reading these kinds of threads. There's hope though

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:20:09 2023 No.59828072 >>59827622 >INCEL WEBSITE! fix'd

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:20:13 2023 No.59828075 >>59828033 Hope Streaming Twitch/Kick/Youtube/Rumble/Trovo thots and OnlyFans die out so that Whores can just be on Chaterbate/Pornhub like they belong in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:29:31 2023 No.59828281 >>59827992 i wanna do that too. hopefully theres at least fiber internet. would be very comfy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:30:03 2023 No.59828292 >>59794535 I may be a lonely, miserable, mentally ill loser, but even I know better than to give my money away to some bitch on the internet.

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:38:08 2023 No.59828473

>>59827992
>>59828281
Could I interest you in some pagpag in SEA? In theory most people like tropical weather, but you could unironically pull that off for really cheap in PH/Thai/Viet as some of the most common retirement destinations. Can get good internet in the cities, but probably not the countryside.
Alternatively, there are EU countries with free fixer-upper houses if you unironically consider that path in somewhere like Italy/Greece. https://youtu.be/7KWS0EAm2ME?si=51R3egJr9anOM8XO

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 09:38:16 2023 No.59828479 >>59828072 >INCEL TECHNOLOGY! fixed even better

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 10:00:30 2023 No.59829005 .>>59828473 i am from SEA. i eventually wanna retire in a snowy central european place

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 10:03:18 2023 No.59829082 >>59828473 Jokes on you anon, I'm already in italy

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 10:05:05 2023 No.59829122 >>59829082 Yeah, you can't buy a house though

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 10:06:13 2023 No.59829148

>>59829005
Oh...that's unfortunate. Sadly Europe is kinda just expensive in general, and moving in the opposite direction is far easier financially, visa wise, culturally etc. Maybe consider Eastern Europe as a potentially easier pathway, or one of the dying rural regions of JP or EU etc.
Same goes for >>59829082...sorry for your loss anon. The main issue is that most places that are optimal for retirement are regions where income are horribly low and there's tons of unemployment, thus cheap labor/costs. Any suggestions on the feasibility of an early retirement there are always welcome, but from what I've seen, it's always a rush to get to one of the more productive EU countries or US to try to earn money before moving back to retire. I'm sure you guys know it better than me though, just an average Burger here looking to try to find a place to set up a retirement NEET cove.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 10:13:24 2023 No.59829307 >>59826924 Mentally ill people have to learn to manage their illness, to understand what activates it and to have countermeasures in place to deal with those situations, not to expect other people to do it for them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 10:19:47 2023 No.59829461 >>59829307 most mentally ill people don't even realize they're mentally ill also you are literally asking the to be perfectly rational and of sound mind...about not being perfectly rational and not of sound mind

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 10:23:26 2023 No.59829563 >>59794849 We are gods amongst men

Anonymous Wed Oct 4 10:25:51 2023 No.59829612

>>59829461
That's the only thing you can do to improve your quality of life and I say this as someone who's been struggling with mental illness for more than a decade. Of course it wont magically heal you but it will at least make you feel better in the long run.
Also
>most mentally ill people don't even realize they're mentally ill
This is a thread about people complaining they're mentally ill and being exploited by others. Seems to me like they're perfectly aware of their problems.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 10:53:57 2023 No.59830216 >>59794849 FPBP

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 11:11:10 2023 No.59830698 Go outside and talk to real people you faggots

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 4 11:41:30 2023 No.59831823 >>59794535 >nobody is forcing lonely men to spend all their money on GFE vtubers correct >nobody is forcing drug addicts to spend all their money on drugs correct

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