/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

What do you think about GFE vtubers? Good or bad? Is it only a matter of time until they implode?

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For those who want to cope saying she's not doing GFE. It's fairly obvious that's her strategy.
https://streamable.com/9bsmsy
https://streamable.com/j8wdb7
https://streamable.com/dhx2c0
https://streamable.com/s0ntu0
https://streamable.com/op07zr

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>>59440038
Double edged swords. You have to be good at tard wrangling chat and pleasing thousands of autists at once. Few have the honor of being called TRUE gfe chuubas. To those that can pull it off, especially for extended periods of time.. they are legend.
The rest will have their menhera self important moment soon enough. Collaborate with a male. Or worse.

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>>59440308
>vtuber shows kindness and care toward her audience and plays with them in some safe roleplay
>GFE BAD
Get over it sisters, she's not collabing with your homos

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Lubu wubu wuv her forever

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>>59440038
inevitable. There is no shortage of lonely men willing to pay top dollar for female attention and kindness, even if they know it's all a sham. It would be foolish not to capitalize on that market.

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>>59440038
it's not my thing personally. I prefer the idol and fan experience. It's sort of like gfe, but the idol is in some kind of hard to put into words relationship with all of her fans.

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>>59441704
Maybe something where Sora can feel close to you and somewhat GFE but she's undoubtedly an idol. Whereas EN girls feel more like Nijisanji muddying the waters acting uncouth.

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I sincerely wish she wouldn't. She's aware of who funds her, and is starting to close herself off to act for these incels. She should just be herself, otherwise it'll all come crashing down and she'll have nothing. Earn an audience with your natural talents instead of pandering to lonely men. Then again with how she was a 2 view and close to quitting because it wasn't viable, I understand why she's doing it. It's unfortunately fostering a really rabid fanbase of militant defenders who attack her girls. She should decry that first.

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I'm waiting for her "We are not friends" moment and the inevitable cucklites mass suicide.

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Why are you using this seanig as GFE? She's esl, seanig, follows homo's on Twitter, talks about guys all the time. She isn't GFE. No seanig female is. They are all fucking

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>>59442720
Goslingfags are the most retarded type of people on this board. They'll also be the first to turn on her when she cucks them, lol.

[Anonymous No.]

Another Niji discord raid? The amount of replies written by women here is nauseating, also wrong Thumbnail OP.

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>>59440038
Sincere gfe is good, but you never know when it's sincere, so it'll probably implode one way or another at some point, I'd say you should enjoy it if you can but don't go to deep. You shouldn't get too dependant on it.

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>>59442294
You have no idea what you’re talking about fool

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>>59440038
>What do you think about GFE vtubers? Good or bad?
I like em but it's hard to find good ones and those tend to self-destruct after some time
>Is it only a matter of time until they implode?
It appears that way yes

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>>59440038
I never liked the GFE and was happy none of the girls (up until now) really dabbled in it. So far anyone who has done GFE has imploded on themselves either because of their own fuck up or because they couldn't handle their audience after some point. I wish her the best of luck and hope it doesn't bite her in the ass like it has everyone else who've done it, but honestly I think it's a bad idea. I haven't seen a chuuba yet do gfe and not put their own foot in their mouth at some point.

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>>59442619
Shiori is /here/, she knows to never say that. She seems to get on well with Mori but she's been in the game too long for a 'Mori talk' to get under her skin enough to suddenly lash out on fans out of nowhere like Fauna did. Fauna is also the most secretive in Council when it comes to irl shit, whereas Shiori literally tells you fucking everything, so I don't think Shiori tries to separate herself in the same way Fauna does. I don't see anyone in Advent having a schizo woman moment with their fans.

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>>59444071
novelcuck upset that gfe is being discussed, even though no one here is shitting on shiori while doing so?

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>>59440038
It's only bad for troons and sister tho. Honestly, they can suck each others dicks for all I care

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>>59440038
Content is content, but they need to live with it's consequences.

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>>59442294
>Faggot hands typed this comment
YWNBAW

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>>59446132
Wuffian ,did you get infantilized so much you forgot how to process sentences? Shush now, the adult are talking.

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>>59440038
I just use them as practice desu. This might be autistic but I go along with the streams like an actual conversation and it unironically got me more comfortable with small talk on dates.

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>>59447499
>the adult are talking
kek

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>>59447499
>the adult are talking
>the adult are
anon.. check your own sentences before posting

[Anonymous No.]

Why do the cucklites hate ruffians? Is it because your runt has shitty CCV?

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novelcucks, why do you hate the twins so much? What did they do to hurt you?

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>>59440038
I think you should kill yourself

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>>59440038
I love Shiori's GFE, I'm sure she's smart enough to know she shouldn't collab with males. But IF she were to pull Ame's "improve yourself" or Kronii's "unfortunately idol culture is a thing" I will drop her immediately. But I have faith in her

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>>59444071
Don' believe Lamy's lies, she has already tasted the BIC (Big Ina's Cock) multiple times...

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>>59441704
I think idol is the knowing appreciation and support from afar. I think this is the more pure way.

The fact that they won’t interact with me and I don’t want them to fits my love of the comedian quote: “I wouldn’t care to be a member of a club that would have me as a member.”

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>>59448453
Everyone is sick of ruffians already and it's only been like 3 months. KFPs, saplings and chumbuds took waaay longer to form into an annoying cult.

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>>59440038
I like when the girls do it because regardless of it being a ploy to milk paypigs, it's still them putting care into trying to make their fans and viewers happy in a special way.
Cause let's be real no woman sees being a pretend virtual girlfriend for 1000s of lonely NEETs as the ideal career path, but they still try to make people happy

Though in general Shiori's brand of GFE isn't my exact cup of tea. Too overt. I prefer when the girls are a bit more subtle. Like Fauna's birthday date stream is one of my favorite moments of her time in Hololive. Fuwawa's solo stream also seriously had me turning into puddy with how cute she as acting.

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>>59442294
>"Thanks for letting me be me."
>https://streamable.com/52gjuh
Lol. No, she's just being a yume and likes it when chat allows her to be one.

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>>59445108
>sincere GFE
Anon, just hires prostitute they genuinely only want your money

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>>59442294
calm down sis

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>>59445108
>sincere gfe

Like sincerely want your money? I just can’t wrap my mind around this. I get suspending belief to enjoy a book or movie but I can’t suspend my belief for things I’m straight up experiencing.

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Vtubers don't need to act like your romantic partner to show interest in your life and general wellbeing. Ones that do that are almost always manipulative.

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>>59440038
GFE is good, great even. It provides solace for the lonely and mentally ill, a well deserved mental care they need and you know what makes it even better? It makes the homos and sisters seethe like there's no tomorrow!

Every chuuba should do GFE! Glory to GFE!

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>>59451265
i hate mommy fags and beta males so much

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>>59451265
>Thanks for letting me cuck you constantly with this superior male you will never be
God Novelcucks are fucking pathetic

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>>59451951
>>59451497
>>59454615
>>59453545
>>59450742
Yes, GFE and escorts are inherently parasocial and can exploit vulnerable men, but at the end of the day they are just offering a product/service that is unhealthy. It's as morally grey as your local neighborhood drug dealer, but it's your own choice to indulge in their services, even if they are offering something immoral. If there is demand, someone will come in to fill that supply, so don't blame the supplier for providing what people ask for.

For those who DO want to see GFE as a type of hostess/rental GF type experience (and can retain enough sanity to not cross the parasocial line), there is still a very clear distinction between those providers who are more or less "genuine". Yes, they are there for your money, you are LITERALLY buying a service like any IRL escort. The thing is, even among prostitutes, there are those who provide top tier service and put on a really convincing kayfabe that allow you to properly enjoy the fantasy that they actually like you. Others who actively hate their job, offer no effort besides starfishing and just watch the clock (Kronii???) clearly offer an inferior service and most clients won't be interested in returning, no matter how hot they are. In this regard, the providers who are clearly all-in on GFE and never break kayfabe are the best at their job, whereas clear grifters who hate everything GFE/idol culture/kayfabe stand for are those that are most despised (for instance Mori/Kronii suddenly pandering with apology ASMR/lewd outfits despite everything we know about how detestable they are).

Sadly the pool for proper GFE in EN corpos is basically nonexistent (basically just ex-tsunderia, phase, maybe a few of the jews?), and Shiori is still really questionable based on her prior history and overall personality. I really wanted to like Shiori, but she just feels...off. Maybe if she goes all in on pandering with ASMR and roleplays (i.e. what made her PL popular in the first place before she abandoned it to try and just be her autistic self on a dead channel), I'll reconsider watching her, but so far what she offers is basically just donation baiting without really putting out (i.e. very poor service for an escort that should receive bottom tier ratings).

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>>59455607
I kinda get it I guess anon. I may be too unga bunga brained to fully get it as I don’t see why people don’t just cop 80$ and get a bj machine and call it a day. But it sounds like you folks want something more than: me make good feel with self.

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>>59455230
>Imaginary, fictional character that doesn't exist
>Feeling cucked by imaginary fictional character that doesn't exist
Kek, tell me how I know you're insecure.

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>>59455607
The only way i can accept chuubas doing GFE/BFE contents is if they made clear boundary between themselves and their customers. The Kayfabe should only confined when they do the stream, and outside of that they have to make it clear that they by any means are not their girlfriend and they cannot complain if the chuuba actually have relationship with other people that is not their viewers or go apeshit when they played with opposite sex chuuba on stream or twitter.

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If a girl has had romantic partners before she should make that clear before acting pure and innocent.

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>>59440038
can't trust them

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about that...

[Anonymous No.]

The best GFE

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>>59462871
This is harmless.

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grim hours

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Ouch, Novelites, your response? Your kind and genuine oshi just betrayed you.

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>>59461492
Why are you putting this kind of expectation on vtubers when you don't put this kind of expectation on seiyuu?

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Very funny thread now

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>>59440038
IMPLOSION INCOMING
>IMPLOSION INCOMING
IMPLOSION INCOMING
>IMPLOSION INCOMING

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>>59440038
is this what GFE is now? Or is this just what EN thinks is proper GFE?

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>>59440038
>Is it only a matter of time until they implode?
This thread aged like a fine wine.

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>>59456284
Onaholes and the like definitely fulfill a partial need, but at the end of the day some people prefer the more "real" version and go with escorts. At the end of the day, those are still all sexual focused in nature and just depend on your individual kinks/preferences. Most of the time the onahole is more than good enough when lazy, but sometimes you have the cash and want to go out with full on nuru massage spa experience before spending an entire night with a model.

In contrast, GFE is more akin to the hostess bar/geisha/rental GF experience (that doesn't include sex). If you think about it, why would people spend that much simping for a rental GF when you can get a short time escort visit for far less? It's because they want the emotional connection and feeling of being loved, even if it's artificial. If you want genuine love, go get a dog. Ultimately true love in a romance is always a gamble, and for those who have been badly burned, it's easier to just go with the "safe" version of paying without risking far more bodily/financial/legal harm through an IRL relationship/marriage.

>>59458801
I completely realize GFE/BFE is inherently exploitative and treat it just like any other drug. For "responsible" users, it can be a nice pick-me-up with minimal expense and hassle, but it can easily ruin the lives of addicts. At the end of the day, the likes of twitch thots, e-girls, onlyfans, instagram, etc all cater to the same demographic, so vtuber GFE is at most equally exploitative as what is already prevalent across society today. I don't see it any worse, except for the fact that vtuber watchers are much more likely to be failed shutin weebs who are more vulnerable than general population. For the mentally ill parasocial gachis, having a clear divide is the "moral" thing to do, but also probably a bit too idealistic and can ruin the fantasy for part of the rest of the audience. I think Bae arguably does a fine job really drawing that line with her special Christmas/Valentine's roleplay dates (which are high quality projects), but she is incredibly clear that she is not gachikoi friendly at all. It's respectable, but it definitely hurts her numbers and I realize I do end up enjoying her less as a result compared to those who are all-in on the GFE (give me the high quality pure hard drugs, rather than the watered down diluted version).

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>>59464496
Remember Aya Hirano? Scandals with VAs definitely occur almost as much as idols, it's just that we pay far less attention to them in general.
To be fair, there are plenty of GFE chuubas that get outed from day 1 and still do decent enough (Shiina from Phase, Fuyo from Idol, Shiori, Shondo, even Fauna/Mumei although most wouldn't count them as TECHNICALLY GFE, etc.) I still love the rrat that Fauna would've gone hardcore yandere GFE as the true EN Rushia if she wasn't outed day 1.

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>>59440038
>>59440308
die schizo
stop spamming threads

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>>59465235
Indeed, the saddest reality is that people consider Shiori GFE....yikes. At most she would count as the "real" GFE, i.e. she spends all day rambling autistically about shit you don't care about. Truly the most realistic version of why 3D is truly PD and we prefer 2d waifus instead.

>>59463174
As I've said hundreds of time...Nene is about the most basic baby's first introductory GFE of all time. I'll still occasionally tune in if she's the only one live, but having her as your oshi is akin to saying Naruto is your favorite (and only) anime. Biggest waste of a KU100 since Fauna (go check the thread yesterday about how Noel creates better quality sound and triggers). Rrats about how she's a tyrannical bitch that rules Kawaii with an iron fist aside, her actions and roommate activities make her feel less "genuine" and more artificial than other GFE (yes, all of them are money grubbing whores for doing GFE at all, we know and that's not the point). At least she's consistent, hard working, and streams daily at a good time for sleep, but the fact she's one of the top GFE in EN speaks more to the fact that there's almost no good options.

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>>59463174
I feel dirty listening to Nene

[Anonymous No.]

This thread didn't age well

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>>59440038
This thread aged well

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>>59471230
>>59471335
The thread is still aging, let's wait and see how it turns out

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>>59441231
Well this aged fucking poorly

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>>59451497
>>59451951
Someone who is actually enjoys bringing comfort to people that care about them, it's not rocket fucking science anons. Do you think the guy publishing a book doing for the money or because he enjoys writing? "Oh but he gets money from it, that must mean he is insincere.", sure it's far fetched comparison, but you get what I mean.

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>>59440038
Is Shiori really the best HoloEN fans have for GFE?
That's fucking grim.
Genuine question though: who the fuck would ever go to holoEN in the first place for GFE? They'll never get close or intimate with their community, partially because of the normalfag fan base that holoEN reaches.

[Anonymous No.]

GFE is trash, go back to ethot fleshstreamers on twitch if thats really all you want.

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>>59472424
Why do they need to act like your girlfriend then? Surely just being "friend" is enough right?

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>>59472424
But that's the think anon. Once money is involved at any level you have to wonder about the motivations of anyone.

Not sure how old you are but in real jobs loads of people constantly fake how much they "care" about what they are doing any most people that aren't fully retarded understand its just new speak to placate terminally online people when you want to make money.

I feel much more clean about exchanging money to an entertainer or artist for entertainment than deluding myself into believing they care about anything but the money when making me feel like someone thinks I'm worth anything for the 30 minutes I paid for.

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>>59473095
Why do you expect from cum eating cuckolds blacked BBC obsessed mutts that are coomers. In Hololive and normalfaggots. Too probably underage.

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>>59473772
You don't need to pay though, aside from member/merch stuff, but I see where you are coming from, you never know whether chuuba faking it or actually wants it that way. I still don't know what exactly Miguel gato wants, money, attention or gfe, or everything together? One day she is "I'm your gf" other day she laughs with guys her viewers don't like lol. I wouldn't want to watch someone like that.
>>59473288
Sure, I agree why not, but I guess gfe feels more personal and intimate. Gfe is a plus for me just because it means chuuba is nice and no streaming with male in sight.
I usually watch gfe chuubas because they are nice towards their viewers, but also a lot of them are boring because that's the only thing going on for them. Also sometimes it's chuubas who love to keep this delusion for themselves, but a lot of them doing it for money sure. Or maybe sometimes it's starts as a cute acting for them only to be disgusted by some creeps trying to get close to/groom them.

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>>59449895
Get ready to drop her too now

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>>59449895
kEK

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>>59476403
>but I see where you are coming from, you never know whether chuuba faking it or actually wants it that way

This is my point anon. It is a lot healthier to have realistic expectations of things in life. A lot of Buddhist philosophy is around the idea that suffering only exists because you expect reality to be different than it is.

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>>59476403
>>59473772
Again, you are "paying" (or most likely just leeching without being a paypig, which is the smarter choice) for a service, and your provider will do their job. Do you think a massage therapist really WANTS to spend their time rubbing you, or are they doing it because it's their job? That said, there is a clear difference between someone who has good work ethic and at least has the courtesy of pretending to enjoy their work (and maybe they do enjoy it to some extent since they chose that career), versus someone who was obviously forced into the role since it pays well and they actively hate everything about their job/life (see: Kronii). Even in the worst case, there is still a sense of schadenfreude when you get to see cover forcibly correct the gender-fluid SJW by shoving her into an idol outfit and dance on stage/offer apology ASMR in her pajama outfit which she hates so much.

At the end of the day, I want a cutesy 2d waifu to offer affection and ear rubbing ASMR, and that's what I'll look for in a oshi. Even if she's a dirty male collaber or has a secret BF, I don't really care as long as she does her job well and puts on a nice kayfabe while she's on the clock. The biggest issue with GFE (which is also discussed earlier in the thread) is that GFE is a drug that not everyone can deal with. Those who are sane enough to NOT be emotionally invested in their oshi's personal life and can just enjoy the hostess/rental GF experience she offers in the moment have the optimal outcome at minimal cost. The sad reality is that most paypig simps are too mentally ill and will unironically fall in love with their escort/stripper and be crushed by the reality that she has other clients besides you, and perhaps even a secret BF in her personal life. Feel free to spend responsibly (or enjoy the free show), but do NOT get emotionally attached to any of them beyond a regular fan or escort john. AGAIN DO NOT FALL IN LOVE WITH YOUR STRIPPER/ESCORT/HOSTESS/GEISHA/MASSAGE THERAPIST.

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>>59477503
Without commenting specifically anon I overall agree with your sentiment and won't argue or condemn if that is how you get your fix.

As someone on the other side I think you should just know that a lot of people just cannot wrap their heads around paying for something like the GFE because the idea of doing so invalidates the emotion you are seeking in the first place. If you can disassociate enough to enjoy it and it doesn't lead you to wanting to blow away a random malls worth of innocent people I won't say you should stop.

[Anonymous No.]

This will all culminate in Novelites saying that they were okay with male collabs the entire time and doing a 180 form their previous point of view.
Despite how gosling filled and gfe filled their fanbase is.
It will go the same way as every other holo fanbase this happened to.
"They suddenly like the thing they doomposted about for months because they aren't mentally strong enough to walk away"

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>>59478049
Overall I think there's a clear differentiation between those who are still wide-eyed optimists who want a happy IRL relationship but fail and use vtubers as a crutch, versus those who are so jaded/burned out from such relationships that pay2play becomes the standardized norm. This discussion always leads to constant shaming, but there is a clear distinction between incels and whoremongers. Yes, there is plenty of overlap with those who can't get laid normally and need to pay, but there's a key distinction in mentality. The incel WANTS a real relationship but fails and has no choice, the monger may also have once held some romantic idealistic notions, but has largely accepted reality and chooses to indulge in the escapist option as something far more convenient/realistic.

Ultimately GFE is the emotional equivalent of hiring out an escort to pretend to be your GF since you want that intimacy experience. Yet, compared to hiring an IRL rental GF session for a few hours, the communal entity of "chat" allows some oil baron paypigs to subsidize the experience for everyone else who shares in the experience. The way I think about GFE chuubas is that they are closer to cute pets than actual people you can have a relationship with: if you see a cute puppy/kitten, you'll want to play with it for a bit and indulge in the experience. At the same time, you don't want to pay for exclusivity since taking care of such an animal is a HUGE investment of money/effort/headaches. If someone else is willing to cover the costs and let you borrow said puppy to play with a few times a week, that sounds like a win, and you don't get disappointed that the same therapy puppy visits other clients or needs to go home once they are done with your session. In a similar way, ASMR and GFE streams are a nice source of free entertainment so long as you treat them as interchangeable and don't get connected to a single one.

Lastly, you do NOT want ownership/exclusivity over a hooker/escort in the first place, pic related. The whole point is that you can pay for only a few hours as needed and you DONT need to pay for her 24/7 lifestyle, since that is subsidized by other clients (see literal oil barons/Asian businessmen ojisans who literally pay for a mansion for each of their mistresses). In a similar way, most people who aren't oil barons wouldn't want to hire a full time maid, chef, and driver since you DON'T need them for most of the day, and it's cheaper to hire by the hour instead of being their full time employer while they laze off 23 hrs of the day. Instead, pay for the one off room cleaning, meal, or car ride, since they can do their job (while being respectful, doing a good job, and pretending to enjoy their role) and then get out after getting paid. This is the best you can expect from a transactional relationship, and that is the ideal scenario since it leaves no obligations or expectations. Sure, it's cold, callous, and unemotional, but it's a very efficient way to deal with reality for those who can be emotionally disconnected enough to live this lifestyle.

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>>59440038
this bitch is giving flayon the GFE her fanbase deserves it

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>>59478507
I will drop her if it's like what happened to Mori and Kronii. I will not drop her if it's like what happened to IRyS or Mumei

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>>59477503
>sad reality is that most paypig simps are too mentally ill and will unironically fall in love with their escort/stripper and be crushed by the reality that she has other clients besides you, and perhaps even a secret BF in her personal life.
Yeah, can't say I'm really attached to any chuuba, but I wouldn't watch someone with bf, also I can't fall in love with chuuba because I don't really know her, as a person. I adore them and wish I'd knew someone like Marine in person just to see how she real she is and only then maybe I would fall in love.

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>>59479140
I appreciate this explanation and legit may try to lessen my judgement of anons that what this stuff. I'm realizing from reading this that my desire to be wholly separate from art/artist as just audience probably says a sizeable amount about how I view my interactions with people and art in general.

All that said I still think you fucks are weirdos but I think I'll be less inclined to be as overtly hostile to your ilk in public forums as I have been in the past.

Good luck and I hope you don't OD on your drug of choice. There's always BJ robots, medical weed, and meditation on the other side if you need it.

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>>59479217
>>59478507
Honestly, I'm glad the mask came off early so the gachikois can finally move on and find a better fanbase. Shiori's PL should tell you everything you need to know about her, especially since she didn't even try to change/put on a different kayfabe. No, a leopard doesn't change it's spots, and "reincarnating" into Holo doesn't mean she gets a free pass clean slate from all the shit she's done in her PL. At her core, she is a twitch thot vshojo orbiter who was recruited for her dead subs that she inherited, and was never able to exceed 2views on her failed attempt to "just be herself". Literally no one cared who she was until she put on the mask (blue dorito). Anyone who fell for her sad attempts at "GFE" are the exact same type of Gabe schizos who once oshi'd Kronii because of her model and voice, even thought EVERYONE knew she was an insufferable genderfluid SJW who hated parasocial gachis, idol culture, and the type of loser weebs that comprise her fanbase.

"TWO MORE WEEKS" posters were insufferable, but they had the right idea in knowing that Shiori would someday revert back to her horrid PL self. Honestly, replying to tempus is the biggest nothingburger I've seen, and not even nearly as bad as Kawaii's Alban incident, or more legit yabs like Lia/Shiina from Phase. You guys will overreact at the slightest mention of a male collab with coworkers, meanwhile ignore damning PL videos she made talking about her abusive groomer exes and her NTR fetish. This is the least offensive thing she could have done, but if it wakes up some of her "GFE" paypigs, that's still a win in my book.

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>>59479712
>Kawaii's Alban incident
Spoonfeed me anon, I'm hungy

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>>59479452
I think the overall sentiment is that I try to express a mindset of someone who has been truly and completely burned out of the relationship/romance fantasy. Call it doomer, red pill, incel, MGTOW, sexpat, etc, but it's the same idea of giving up on any "genuine" relationship and instead opting for a more "efficient" hedonistic path. Quite literally the "hookers and blow" option.

For those who aren't already mongering or moved to SEA/Latam to indulge in the escort/rental GF experience, ASMR offers a soothing alternative as a free, convenient, and easy form of escapism to feel loved and cared for (which is all but impossible IRL). I'm sure many have already also gone down the path of legal weed, onaholes, other drugs/alcohol, and philosophy in searching for purpose, but ultimately wanting to feel loved is a primal need that most find as necessary as food and water. Perhaps it's a result of being brainwashed by Hollywood/traditional family values, perhaps it's due to being obsessed with the ideal of a true beautiful romance (hence interest in romance anime/soap operas, dating sim VNs, and GFE ASMR), or perhaps it's just the last hedonistic experience that is missing from the collection.

I think the biggest "realization" (yes from plenty of introspection/philosophizing) I've had about GFE is that I would never actually want to be in a relationship with one of these girls even if I could. Basically, "I realized what I want is a maid, massage therapist and escort, not a GF/wife". Even for my yandere GFE oshi who creates great ASMR, that is her job, and an IRL relationship would be a disastrous mess. Honestly, I probably have all the credentials her parents would love to ship her off to, but do I really want a chubby, mentally unwell, college dropout drunkard whose only talent is GFE ASMR as a GF/wife? Sounds like a LOT of hassle for minimal reward, even though I adore her work and appreciate the fantasy. At the end of the day, the fantasy remains a fantasy, and you could buy a week's worth of cheap SEA hookers for the price of one akasupa. Perhaps the biggest gripe I have is the entire simp mentality of putting women on a pedestal and worshipping them with your life savings for a tiny crumb of attention. Either get a life and become a normie with real social relationships, or accept the pay2win mindset and just get far more bang for your buck IRL instead of relying on GFE vtubers/streamers/ethots/onlyfans girls. The only benefit of vtubers vs fleshtubers is the kayfabe, the ability for less attractive but talented girls to show off their personality/ASMR skills, the anime weeb aesthetic, and the fact that content is FREE. Anyone who decides to nonetheless pay for free content either is oil baron wealthy, or needs to develop more responsible spending habits.

[Anonymous No.]

there is alot of eye opening posts here about GFE that points out some things I didn't really notice or care to look into, thank you anons.
>specially the wall text ones, interesting reads

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>>59480165
Honestly, another nothingburger where the graduated Gen 3 pegasus/whorse girl started fangirling over Alban when he entered her chat. Considering she was a hardcore pandering GFE streamer, her fanbase felt understandably cucked by how wet/horny she was getting from the attention. Cue subsequent drama of her following, then unfollowing, then following him again in a back and forth while management panics about how to protect their golden goose. Considering she supposedly led the walkout after the donothon and is the de facto leader of V-dere, she's doing fine while retaining most of her paypigs despite being a ex-twitch thot. Shame that the good girls in her gen still deal with her, but oh well. Basically a nothingburger that still got good yab and rrat mileage in PKG before it crumbled.

Meanwhile....Shiina wontons is perhaps one of the most famous yabs in GFE streamer history, and she's still going strong as a talented hag voice actress that does her hebe/semi loli GFE voice perfectly (cat girl ASMR stream is peak quality). Also, go check out the infamous Lia donothon yab if you haven't seen it....she got so much shit in PCG that her few remaining refugee fans literally had to create their own general on this board. Seanig "voice actor" who groomed her at IRL conventions decides to force his way into a donothon reward lewd ASMR to cuck the viewerbase and show off how much clout he has with their oshi. In the end, I don't actually care about any of these girls so I'm just a drama tourist, but I'll still occasionally patronize their work since it's free and there might be some gems hidden in all the garbage.

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>>59480728
I wouldn't call it nothingburger, since you know it's gfe and girl lusts after an actual person who isn't even paypig would turn off most gfe viewers, especially when he is there, it's not like lusting after Brad Pitt.
I know about Shiina and Lia. It's kinda crazy how far people go defending them.

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>>59446131
> suddenly lash out on fans out of nowhere like Fauna did
literally what the fuck are you talking about

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>>59480693
Glad someone is getting something out of my schizo rants. Regular wall of text writer-schizo from the defunct /noeggs/ pseudo-general and any time a good GFE thread comes around. Anyone interested in starting up a proper /gfe/ general so we can share our thoughts and experiences about the meta of GFE streamers and why we love them as viewers? Mostly been hijacking threads whenever the topic comes up, but there seems to be significant enough interest in those who are crazy enough to actually read my rants.

In any case, as an armchair psychologist with an actual background in sociology and economics, I'm absolutely fascinated with the entire simping/female attention economy and the factors that lead lonely weebs to enter this fanbase. Prior threads (if you search the terms GFE or /noeggs/ and occasionally the "I love miori" threads) had some great discussions about the decline of civilization, why most guys will be foreveralone, why hags with unrealistic standards will always be alone, and how to responsibly indulge in this depraved drug of a hobby without becoming an addict.
>>/vt/thread/59076686
>>/vt/thread/59121584

>>59481030
Honestly, it's just a back and forth of clout leeching where he wants to leverage his failing Niji numbers to impress a small corpo girl, whereas she thinks she's talking to some celebrity from Niji and not a whale of a SEA lardass. Not nearly the most offensive thing she could have done, and I put it on a similar tier as Fauna's "we're not friends" speech, both of which are just poor responses to yab baiting situations.

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>BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
I'm just not going to watch male vtubers. It's just not going to happen. I know I know. Ugh I know. I'm a "chud" or "incel" or whatever other insult you have. I'm going to continue to undermine them and insult them any time I can and there is nothing you can do about it!

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>>59481567
>watch male fleshstreamer
>he has camera off today
>sounds dry and raspy, says hes sick
>puts up an emote where the camera normally is
>unfollow, unsubscribe, do not recommend this channel, close tab, purge browsing history

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>>59481424
>"I love miori" threads
Man those threads are something of all time, love em. It's starts as "I love Miori but (fair criticism)"
>Not nearly the most offensive thing she could have done, and I put it on a similar tier as Fauna's "we're not friends" speech, both of which are just poor responses to yab baiting situations.
I agree, but they still deserve to get shit on, to realize what they've done is wrong, it's not like Shiori saying thank you to Flayon. It'll still hurt fanbase for week or two, but then they'll get over it and comeback.

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>>59455230
She put up clear terms. You get to watch her streams and believe its goth vtuber shiori speaking from inside your computer, but in return she gets to read your chats and believe that you are a dark otome prince hunched over a keyboard.

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Miori is the only EN vtuber that is GFE. No one in other corpos even comes close.

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Avoiding yabs as a gfe streamer is so fucking easy
>dont have a boyfriend
>dont collab with men
This satisfies all the schizos. Why are women seemingly unable to do this? I know women are stupid but it can't be that hard right?

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>>59482007
>dont collab with men
There are five catalogthreads up because shiori gave a boilerplate response to a tweet from a male, with people trying to determine the romantic and/or sexual intent of a tilde. Appeasing unicorns is an impossible standard as a chuba because the big trick is that they already hate you and are just looking for an excuse to unleash it.

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>>59482180
Don't post stupid tweets? Why are you acting like this shit is hard? It's as easy as not saying nigger at your job.

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>>59481920
Even though Miori is my oshi...I find the situation rather sad. It would be nice if there were at least some options so we can have better coverage of EN ASMR GFE when she's gone or streaming regular gaming.

I've found many of the tsunX girls to actually be some of the best (I wish Ember did GFE....), with Phase and Jewbas like Momo/Coni/Fuyo being the next option.
Kawaii was supposed to be the GFE corpo, but even they have basically died out. If you don't like Nene, there's not really any other options, I guess Lua is decent and Nami is there for the architects.
Ex-Kawaii also has a few choices:
Peony sadly only does yandere RP but her deeper voice is nice.
Mozu/Sava doesn't really do full-on GFE, but when she does, she goes all out (infamous gosling Christmas stream is still an all time GOAT).
I can't stand Elia/Aletta similar to Nene, but she is technically GFE and some people enjoy her.
As a controversial pick, Oceane/Utada Zoey is still pretty nice quality GFE who has nice ASMR and singing, even though she's been leaning a bit more into her ID background compared to her PL.

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>>59482180
most retarded post in the thread
just don't reply

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>>59482229
Is she supposed to spend minutes to inspect the account of every person she gives out a generic thank you to, just to make sure they arent a male tuber?

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>>59482007
Because the dichotomy of you wanting to know your oshi better yet not wanting to see what they actually wanted.
The VTuber meta is shaped by "She's real" unlike Kizuna Ai who was, for a while, went full kayfabe, become an actual and fictional character for the role.
You want perfect GFE, pick someone who NEVER tell you their real life situation. Unfortunately, those girls are truly rare. In fact, I never find one.
So better settle for second best thing. Someone who can make you feel embraced even for just a short moment.
>>59482229
>stupid tweets
See, that's the problem. Your standard is unrealistic.

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>>59482007
>the only way GFE can be achieved is by becoming misandrist lesbian
You still get cucked anon. It's impossible to be a GFE if they don't even have the experience or currently experiencing it themselves

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>>59482310
If it takes you several minutes to recognize whether clearly male vtuber is male because you're so fucking stupid, so be it, put in that effort and spend several minutes.

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>>59482180
Again plenty of the girls are perfectly capable of ignoring males. Okayu is super GFE and yet not a single person has ever tried to even fake a yab for her despite being decently popular.

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>>59482319
How are my standards unrealistic? Taking 2 minutes to manage your social media to make sure you don't post something stupid isn't unreasonable.
>>59482323
I don't consume GFE content because I hate women, it just blows my mind that being able to have some basic literacy about your fanbase is such a hard thing for women.

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>>59482392
Wait what the fuck is this, 'pretend males dont exist' wasnt in the post I was replying to, merely 'dont collab'

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>>59482446
>don't post something stupid isn't unreasonable.
>Thanking someone for being nice is unreasonably stupid
Jesus fuck. I give up.

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>>59479712
>pl schizo paragraph
Go back

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>>59482466
You can ignore them without pretending they don't exist

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>>59482494
Not checking the profile of the person you're interacting with is fucking moronic for a social media related job. It could be a person whose tweets are full of niggerhate or whatever.

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>do GFE
>cuck your viewers
why is this so common

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>>59482446
>>59482616
>>59482310
>>59482180
As an avid GFE enjoyer....I wish this fanbase was slightly more sane and doesn't go crazy about the first sign of a male interaction. Sadly self-selection is evident that only the worst parasocial gachis enter this fanbase, and few can disassociate the GFE service from loving the actual person to an insane level. There are SO MANY actual yabs and offenses that these women have on a regular basis, and yet everyone only cares about the most nonsensical nothingburger responses due to rampant censorship on this site (what are we, reddit mods?) covering up anything that is remotely yabai.

Then again, I'm not deranged enough to donate my life savings on grifter twitch thot whores to get a crumb of the lowest quality pseudo-GFE garbage, so perhaps I'm hardly representative of this cesspool of a "community". Shiori is SO MUCH WORSE than you can ever imagine, but everyone buries their heads in the sand and pretends this is as bad as it gets. Get a life, do your reps, and start complaining about ACTUAL yabs instead of the latest one-note twitter responses to tempiss. As much as I despite tempiss too, for once, the antis are right....you guys think about tempiss and cocks more than actual homos.

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>>59482536
Anon, to ignore something is to not recognize the existance of it.

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>>59482941
whatever you say sister

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>>59482941
I give her benefit of the doubt to be nice, but obviously I wouldn't commit to such chuuba.

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>>59481424
As a femanon. and someone who is /here, if I had the chance to get into Holo I would 100% play my cards right to get what I wanted out of the average male viewer and paypigs. Be nice and say I love you (but not to often), zatsu after the game to make it feel more intimate, read both SC's and regular stream comments so neither side gets pissed, don't follow males on twitter and state clearly "i want to collab with the girls!" on debut, be a tease but don't act horny all the time, talk about my life and give details of my past, even if it's some boring camping trip I did as a child because it feels like "they are letting me into their life a little!".. /vt has shown me men are simple and easy to please, and it's easy to pull one on them if you act cute and stupid enough. And while this isn't proper GFE (and i just said i'd be playing you), you wouldn't know that because I can simply act oblivious and people would call it cute and wholesome.

This being said, if (I) know how to tardwrangle goslings into loving me and my "gfe", what makes you think the average chuuba doesn't, ya know? I think guys forget woman can be snakes and trick men easily, especially over the internet. They just don't care to figure it out till it's too late and they have a meltdown about it.

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>>59482965
Flipping out the second a male pops up on screen like Rushia would be trying to pretend they don't exist but simply not replying to any males would be ignoring them

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>>59483154
Hi Nina, how's vshojo debut looking?
But unironically this...."Just be nice to men, they are that easy" is about as direct as it gets, and it's true. Everything you say is basically correct, and yes, people are actually that dumb that they cannot avoid messing up the golden ticket. For a classic example, look at Kiki from Eien who is probably the most infamous case of ruining her chance to escape Flip poverty life in order to "own the parasocials". >>58157740

The problem is that most streamers who get into a big corpo suddenly develop an ego and believe that people want to see THEM for themselves, rather than as an actress playing a role. They forget that they are ultimately there to be an entertainer and provide a service, and people do not actually worship them for just being themselves (although a sad portion of unironic simps will do just that and inflate their oshi's ego even larger). Worst offenders (as expected) are Mori and Kronii, but every chuuba eventually cracks and lets out some of their thoughts about their fanbase.

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>>59483481
>>58157740
Weird feeling to see my replies to posts there 20 days later, I was thinking "did I really type that?" lol

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>>59483154
hey femanon if you do get into vtubing please make a subtle sign for us

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>>59483154
You will never be a woman

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>>59484986
I mean, can't they say outright they use 4chan? I don't think it's against Hololive rules to dabble here, so why would anyone need to hint? Chuuba's should just say they visit this hellsite, rather than hint

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>>59485079
I am not a woman, I am a female.

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>>59482941
>start pretending to be reasonable yet condescending
>full schizo on second paragraph

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>>59485231
>male hands typed this

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>>59440038
I don't care for gfe, it's not for me and I only want to relax after work watching vods.

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>>59485172
vtubers can't make a direct connection publicly /here/ as it might be a brand risk for the company, picrel

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>>59483154
shut up whore

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>>59440038
>What do you think about GFE vtubers?
CGDCT > GFE
every single time