/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

I don't get it, why did her numbers decline so much when the bf arc came?
It's not like she ever really leaned towards idolshit or gfe

[Anonymous No.]

Theres only so much cuckoldry the average person can tolerate.

[Anonymous No.]

Nobody wants to hear you flirting with your bf all the time on stream and feeling like a third wheel. There's a reason even non-gfe vtubers keep that shit on the low.

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>>58963541
>vtuber isn't 100% lesbian virgin
>instant unsubscribe, dislike, report video and anti
Simple as'

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>>58963541
she used to stream a lot, then didn't stream at all for a while, now streams very little

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>>58963987
this but without the lesbian part, being gay is bad!

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>>58964065

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>>58963541
Because she wasn't streaming.

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>>58963541
Why would I support someone who already has a support?

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>>58963541
she abandoned her cats

[Anonymous No.]

Most paypigs and vtuber fans in general are lonely singles. A chuuba talking and flirting with your partner makes said fans feel jealous and leave. The ones that stayed are hopeless cucks and homobeggars dont watch streams.

Also, shes not entertaining and having a sex live2d model isn't going to cut it.

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>>58963541

[Anonymous No.]

Jumping off a building isn't what kills you, it's the sudden stop from hitting the ground that does. Discount the people who delude themselves into thinking they have a shot at marrying a streamer, and think about even just a few implications that has for the streamer-audience relationship.

1. The streamer can no longer complain about being lonely. The audience thus can no longer feel like they're supporting them by being company - her partner should fulfill that role. Pretending to be lonely is disingenuous to even the most braindead viewer.
2. The streamer can no longer appear to sincerely express gratitude towards the chat for supporting them - in most societies that is culturally the man's role, so if the audience is constantly updated on the relationship and it is constantly presented as cordial, then he must already be providing adequate support. This drastically decreases how much effect the audience can feel that they are having on the streamer's life.
3. The streamer can no longer convincingly act like she values the opinions of her audience on many matters, because she should be discussing those issues with her partner already and valuing the opinions of her partner over complete strangers. The shine of new content is taken off, because if she was really that excited for it, socially it's expected that she should have already talked about it with her partner. Thus the audience will never really get a good raw 'react' experience again - anything worth reacting to is already basically secondhand goods.

Many people are here just to consume entertainment with little thought put into it. They don't think ahead so they'll see nothing wrong with it and even cheer it on. They won't put it down to the boyfriend. But after it's happened, they somehow feel like they're no longer so invested in the content, they feel like some spark has been lost - so they drift away, never quite understanding why, but also not caring enough to.

A boyfriend by themselves doesn't kill a female streamer. What actually kills a streamer's audience is when the streamer drastically decreases the audience's emotional investment in them for various reasons, to the point that they no longer care about watching or supporting them. Maybe there's a way you can avoid that while having a boyfriend, but most female streamers don't seem to be able to find one.

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>>58963541
I'm not an unicorn nor an idolfag but I just can't stand mixed streams. That's it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58963541
>It's not like she ever really leaned towards idolshit or gfe
Newfag moment?
Newfag moment.

[Anonymous No.]

Literally every single creator, western or not, lose viewers when they reveal they have a bf/gf midway through their career. For some it's the delusion you're gonna be with them that pushes you away, but honestly even for people not like that many find it less entertaining. I would never want to willingly be put into a 3rd wheel situation, and that's essentially all these streams become.

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>>58965959
If your oshi is a cute girl it will only add popularity when she announces a gf.

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>>58963541
Say what you want about Vei and Nyanners but being honest and revealing that they have a partner is respectable.

[Anonymous No.]

Because a lot of people watch a creator's content because they want to fuck the creator.
>b-but not me
You might not watch a specific stream for this reason, but people still do. It's not fair in either direction, but it's the reality. Fighting against it is like fighting against gravity.

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>>58963541
for nyanners it's because she stopped streaming lol
there's a reason why vei's numbers didn't tank after doing the same thing
vei's content didn't take a massive turn for the worse, but nyanners' did
btw nyanners is definitely being taken advantage of, the guy is a leech and will probably toss nyanners aside once he cant leech off her numbers anymore

[Anonymous No.]

People don't like being a third wheel in real life with their actual friends, why would they want to be third wheel for an e-girl?

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>>58963804
Not to mention irl, which came up with the "third wheel" concept a million years ago in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

Please give koyori subs she deserve it

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>>58966956
This is true

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>>58963541
>stopped streaming regularly after Nux yab
>boyfriend arc with drama and live chucking
>starts doing 3DPD content semi regularly
>quits VShojo stabbing Mousey in the back
>nothing but low effort content on main channel
>all high effort content and bits are on her bf channel now

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>>58965959
This, even when its guys getting a gf/wife, they usually get less entertaining to watch, often changing things that their new gf dislikes, regardless of what the audience wants and start including or talking about their gf on video/stream, which at best diverts the focus to a less entertaining person who you didn't subscribe for and at worst makes you feel like a third wheel

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>>58963541
She's ugly.

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>>58963541
Those are truer numbers based on her talent and effort. She lost the "single" woman buff. She still has the woman buff but that can only get you so far. If men and women competed in a fair playing field in terms of content, men would win every time.

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>>58963541
Because hearing about how the streamer got creampied by her boyfriend isn't what most people find entertaining

[Anonymous No.]

Dudes forget how Nyanners used to be la creatividad del VShojo doing interesting content all the time. She used to make an effort of turning her streams into small shows with weird ideas and high levels of energy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAjI6mDkbQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt8OuniUebQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReGZr7CC4Zg

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>>58967098
Last week's stream had a pretty good bit.

[Anonymous No.]

I never really watched her before the boyfriend reveal, but I've checked out a couple of videos where they're doing irl stuff together. If I had to guess at the big drop off, it would that she's not particularly attractive, and also the bf kept calling her babe. Not a normal amount, he ended every sentence with babe. It was grating.

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>>58965655
quality post

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>>58964027
real reason

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>>58963541
Majority of female vtubers fans are single men
People watch chuubas because they can dream about dating their oshi
Having bf ruins that fantasy even if you know you never had a chance

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>>58963541
Not even normans want to be a third wheel.
>>58965655
Too reasonable for a catalog poster

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>>58963541
People try to blame it on unicorns or whatever but the fact is that people don't really want to watch your BF/GF
The same thing happens to many male streamers (with 90% male viewers, so not BFE) who bring their gfs on stream. It's just not what people want to watch.

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>>58965655
The change in behavior or content style could also be a big factor.
I had a similar experience with a "bro streamer" rather than a female streamer. After he got a girlfriend, his content style slowly changes to become more "normal." The overexaggerated actions and reactions that he used to do were toned down, and ultimately, he became boring.

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>>58963541
The problem is not Nyan getting a BF
The problem is them ALWAYS together onscreen 50% of the time

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>>58963541
Some vtubers are known to have boyfriends/girlfriends/husbands. They're just able to ignore it because they don't ever bring it up and they're able to keep kayfabe.
When you start openly flirting consistently with your partner or bringing them up or having them on stream, that's when it becomes a problem.
It's like when you're gonna hang out with your friend and that friend proceeds to bring their partner every time and you become a third wheel. Nobody likes being in that position unless you're unironically a cuck.

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>>58963541
Nobody wants to watch a woman who's taken, this is a fact
All female content creators get a noticeable dip if they reveal they're in a relationship

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>>58963541
This industry is built on idol culture and you'd do well to learn that.
Also, hypocrit cat can get fucked . I don't care if it was years ago, she still fucked us over and I will not forgive that.

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>>58966051
Unironically this.
Crossick were pretty popular and they actually managed to stick out in a company filled with 300+ vtubers.
When they basically unofficially disbanded (broke up), their numbers aren't what they used to be and I often forget Tomoe and Sukoya are streaming.

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>>58969543
>Nobody
Statistically, 70% do. This is a known fact even in Idol industry. But say goodbye to 50% of your income. Those 30% gachi outspent twice the money than the rest of the fanbase.
The ratio might be different with VTubers and streamers in general, but basically anyone should have expected of losing audience and income and not bitch about it.
The problem is when Tubers did it and THEN bitch about losing audience. Nyanners is not one of them, at least.

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>>58963804
twitch is weird, the fact nyaggers put up with it for so long and even got to the point of embracing the two was weird enough
but man there's a whole subsection of vtubers on twitch under the lewdtuber tag and 99% of them do nothing but collab with males
I even saw one who put in her description she's polyamorous and has two husbands
another one was raising money for a new model while talking about how the money she gets will go towards her and her fiancé's honeymoon
its just twitch in general there's so many streamers who just think
>I want to be a streamer
>but I also cant carry a stream alone and need males to back me up
>why do I only get 20 viewers each stream? why don't 4k people want to watch me and 3 guys play valorant?

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>>58966552
>Vei’s numbers didn’t tank
Lmao, Iron mouse, Nyanners and Vei used to average 10-11k ccv man. They all declined

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>>58964374
This bitch did what

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>>58970961
He's lying. She ate them.

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>>58963804
That's it. For a long while, I've resolved that I don't really see myself as a unicorn and I don't pursue GFE vtubers. I also don't mind when female vtubers collab with male vtubers. But I still don't really like it when they bring up, or stream with, their SO's, and this is exactly it. I couldn't quite place my finger on it until now.

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>>58963541
Im gonna make a guess that she shoves her relationship into the forefront of her content, and that basically would cull a lot of viewers who probably don't mind that she has one but the nonstop acknowledgement of it is a mood killer.

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>>58963541
Even people who aren't gachikoi don't want to watch people flirt on stream. At least, not if it's crude shit. They're not even appealing to shippers who want to watch a fairy tale romance unfold. A lot of the sentiment about unicorns vs beggars really ignores the silent minority of people who just want a commodity out of vtubers

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>>58963541
She started doing IRL stuff, I kind of checked out about that time.

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>>58970789
nta, but they only had that much while a pandemic was going on and everyone was stuck inside.
Pretty much all famours streamers have less live viewers now

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>>58963804
spbp

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>>58963541
I think she just hasn't been doing as much interesting stuff. No weird-ass skit streams, no jrpg-style battles vs chat, just sort of the same stuff she's been doing. Also aethel's humor is kind of lame, though you can tell he's trying.

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>>58964027
She had a bit of a slump in hours streames for a couple months but she's now streaming just about as much as she used to

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>>58963541
This happens in some degree for every content creator, men and women alike

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>>58972199
Those are some grim numbers. When did she get a bf?

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>>58972199
That graph implies streaming less causes a permanent viewer loss which cannot be regained even if you later start streaming more. It makes sense, once a viewer is gone, they're gone.

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>>58972366
You might notice that like hakf of the viewers that left only left after she started streaming more again though

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>>58965655
Sir, this is a catalog bait thread...

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>>58965655
Expertly put. Most people don't understand why they enjoy things and go purely by their moral compass.
I remember watching this clip of Kiara desperately trying to gauge audience response to male collabs, but 90% of them were blindly doing the "you should just do whatever you want" routine, not understanding that she genuinely, legitimately just wanted their honest opinions. It wasn't about a BF specifically, but the principle is the same. Most viewers have no idea what they want and will just affirm whatever they think the streamer would like.
An important skill for a streamer is being able to filter out these people and figure out what people actually tune in for.

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>>58968903
This is so true. Whenever NL's wife barges into his stream and starts talking about random crap I just want her to leave.

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>>58965655
There's definitely a lot of thought in this post, but I don't think it's what happened with nyanners. I kind of think it's the opposite; instead of (or possibly in addition to) the audience losing an emotional connection with her, I think she no longer needs her audience for emotional support, because it's been replaced with her BF, which disincentivizes her from making interesting streams.

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>>58972578
>90% of them were blindly doing the "you should just do whatever you want" routine
But what if that actually is their opinion? Personally, I don't really care whether they collab with males or not, and implying that that opinion is primarily just made to "appease the streamer" rather than a genuine belief is weird.

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>>58972768
Literally stopped watching him due to this

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>>58972277
She announced it may 2022, but it was pretty obvious for a while. (At least for people not in denial.)

>>58972873
Did you sincerely believe that any streamer "needs their audience for emotional support"? Did you read the dude's first point? Complaining about being lonely and being dependent on chat is part and parcel.

[Anonymous No.]

I didn't stop watching Iron Mouse because I thought Connor was her boyfriend. I stopped watching because I didn't want to listen to Connor. Not wanting to listen to a dude when you tuned in to hear a girl prattle is apparently "unicorn" behavior.

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>>58973038
>She announced it may 2022, but it was pretty obvious for a while. (At least for people not in denial.)
>numbers literally started the 2 year long free fall with no end in sight the moment she got a bf
I don't understand the "it's not the bf i swear" cope

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>>58972952
Of course it's their genuine opinion. (They genuinely think that they have no preference, whether that's true or not.) My point is that it's not what she was actually asking about.
>Would you be interested in this type of content?
>Never mind me, you should just do what you want! :DDDD
Can you see how this might be unhelpful? More to the point, these opinions are usually followed by aggressively putting down whoever has a real preference on the matter, further discouraging them from saying anything. (In addition to just drowning them out of course.)
And frankly, a lot of people who think they have no preference actually do, they're just not very conscious of them.

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>>58963541
idk, it just doesnt feel the same
I dropped male youtubers for talking about their gfs a lot or streaming with them, it just ruins the mood

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>>58972952
Even if that is their opinion, it doesn't mean they'll stick around when the streamer does what she wants to do.

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>>58972456
True. Apart from the bf yab, from reading this thread it seems stream quality took a dive in that period.

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>>58973038
>Did you sincerely believe that any streamer "needs their audience for emotional support"?
I dunno, sometimes people stream because they want an excuse to talk to people. She had to be doing it for some reason before the money started coming in, at least. The dude makes some good points, but I think they're too one-sided, focused on the audience's perception alone. Being in a relationship changes people and their social dynamics, and I think that may have affected her streaming as well.

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>>58963541
Even your closest friend wouldn't like going to the cinema with you and your boyfriend, imagine randoms on the internet

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>>58964238
This. Twitch basically requires you stream as much as possible to keep your audience.

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>>58973215
I think what those people are saying, in a way, is that they want something genuine, not that they would support a creator no matter what they do, but that they aren't interested in fake shit.

Like, I'm only interested in online content produced out of genuine passion and there's nothing as boring to me as someone trying to "build a following" and "make a career", so I won't watch most stuff, but even with the people who do have passion, I'm not going to watch them just because they're trying - they have to really be at the top of their game. There's no loyalty there from either side - the creator is doing their thing for their sake and I'm choosing to engage with it or not engage with it for my sake.

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>>58974367
>they want something genuine
Of course, and that's fine. However, that's not what she asked about.
>they have to really be at the top of their game
But content choices surely matters at least a little bit, right? If someone is passionately and expertly examining a piece of turd on-stream, that would probably rank lower than doing something more entertaining with the same amount of passion and zest.
And that's the sort of thing a streamer might ask about. But if 90%+ of her audience just goes "just do whatever lol, as long as it's great", then that doesn't help guide her.
Perhaps the best idea is to just make a poll and limit the options. Then it's both anonymous and you filter out all the people who don't care either way.

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>>58966183
Sure. Doesn't make her watchable, though.

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>>58963804
He’s also just really ugly to look at

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>>58965655
Another point to this is that a lot of the people in the fandom, even if they're not delusional enough to think they're gonna marry a streamer, ARE there to consume occasional lewd content of them or act a bit "flirty" with them. (I mean, why do you think vtubers are almost always sexy anime girls in revealing outfits?)
For most people, this starts to feel weird when you know the vtuber has a bf. And why would the bf be okay with it anyway? Is this some kind of weird cuck thing? It sucks the fun out of it

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>>58963804
Even on twitch there's a limit, unless you started as a couples channel like BF vs. GF, most flesh streamer normie fans won't like it if you just tag your SO into streams out of no where

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>>58965655
one of the better posts in this god forsaken hellhole

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>>58963541
She had this Kizuna Ai collab shit back when hololive was a leper due to China. Also her fanbase was very much into her, it's not like GFE is clearly defined and if you try even the most obvious examples like Rushia might not qualify.

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>>58963541
She's been making good money off of YouTube for years before vtubing, and is pretty much a millionaire post vshojo now.
I don't think she gives a single fuck about numbers anymore

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>>58963541
>idolshit or gfe
She unironically did both, she was just an idol with a potty mouth

[Anonymous No.]

NijiEN has the cuck market

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>>58965857
>if it sings and dances, it's an idol
Look at this idol I bought the other day.

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>>58975697
Do you think a retarded like her would have the financial education to not burn that money to the ground?

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>>58965655
It's also that they Vtubers to lose motivation for streaming because they don't need strangers to validate them anymore a lot of twitch thots are managed by their boyfriends who push them to take more simp money but when they're dating another creator the dude often gets jealous and insecure for obvious reasons, nyanners is much more popular than her boyfriend ever will be he will not encourage her to make better content and spend more time with creepy dudes on the internet most of whom probably want to fuck her.

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>>58963541
this happens with literally every female streamer. It is a commonly known phenomena amongst the live streaming community. Any female streamer who admits to having a boyfriend or some sort of SO will have their viewership decline

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>>58963541
Boyfriends or even Girlfriends are booooorrrring, even normal popular male streamers don't invite their gfs to the stream, seeing people going all "cute cute hahahah I'm in the stream now babe isn't that hilarious" is not entertaining

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>>58970374
they end up as accessories for 1view males, pretty tragic.

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>>58965655
>Maybe there's a way you can avoid that while having a boyfriend
Not maybe, there is, it's just that most western chuubas can't into the service industry.

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>>58974820
If I remember correctly, she didn't know shit about Nekopara and stopped the playthrough

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>>58974820
>>58976823
Still don't get what's the deal with it. Even fleshies have played it before.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP8PWZDmZ7OEyR0xWxa0lXEagGWq6SMMt
Vtubers shouldn't get baited into doing epic hot takes.

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>>58963541
the bf shit wasn't the major issue to most, since most twitch viewers are cucks and love shipping straight relationships. The main issue is consistency and showing your face on stream and not meeting the expectation of what they thought you look like. Most of her recent twitch fans have no idea of her past or bothered to lookup her irl face. Then suddenly she shows her face and ruined the emersion.

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>>58976551
>>58976599
>>58977114
See >>58976538. It's not specifically having a bf in itself, but the fact that the experience changes, and it shows.