Without mentioning other corps, why did NijiEN recline so much? Was it just EN vtubing declining as a whole?

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Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:23:23 2023 No.58907079 [Reply] [Original]

Without mentioning other corps, why did NijiEN recline so much?
Was it just EN vtubing declining as a whole?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:24:42 2023 No.58907117 Literally because of Ethyria. They changed the dynamic of NijiEN from "friendship" to "flirting". Every member of Ethyria shipped themselves with a male member for popularity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:28:48 2023 No.58907229 >>58907079 other corp

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:30:51 2023 No.58907286 >>58907079 Ethyria was a mistake, Luxiem was a cancer and Kyo is also cancer for encouraging Enna’s terrible attitude/behavior.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:31:59 2023 No.58907312 >>58907079 Because they sucks. And not only they sucks but they are also behind each other backs with knifes constantly, also the way they dealt with Zaion was just spectacularly terrible

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:34:55 2023 No.58907387 >>58907079 the cliques

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:36:12 2023 No.58907424 >>58907079 Half of the members and management ruined their reputation with drama.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:45:33 2023 No.58907641

>>58907079
I want to say everything goes bad after Ethyria but honestly the shit show start after luxiem. They clearly change their target demographics to something else to bait a new kind of viewers. Which is not a bad things in paper but from the results alone we can say they fuck it up

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:47:13 2023 No.58907667 >>58907117 This Enna and Reimu destroyed the branch

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:48:15 2023 No.58907696

>>58907079
Luxiem and Noctyx hardcore pandered to chinks, fujos, kpopsisters, and twittersisters. This caused most of the male fanbase to leave, and killed future growth of that fanbase.
Then NijiEN staff put all their eggs in the LucNox basket, literally spitting in the faces of the previous waves, killing branch morale.
Then, as expected, the chinks left to chinese-knockoff versions of LuxNoc, fujos moved on to their next seasonal BL pairings, kpopsisters moved on to the next kpop group, and twittersisters don't watch streams to being with, so LuxNoc numbers dropped like a fucking rock.
And if that wasn't enough, Anycolor then went full-on retardo with terminations, DMCA takedows, and event cancellations (AR Live) and lied about the reasoning. And then instead of doing anything to clean shit up, they just walked away from the mess they caused.

tl;dr- LuxNoc pandered to an unstable fanbase, that fanbase caused the previous fanbase to leave, NijiEN staff ignored the rest of the branch to focus on that unstable fanbase, that unstable fanbase left, NijiEN staff didn't know what to do so they shot the branch in the foot multiple times, and are just leaving it to die.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:50:48 2023 No.58907752

Part of it is the insane frequency of ad-hoc collabs.
If so much stuff eventually devolves into collabs, your venn diagram of viewers isn't a union, it's an intersection. You're eventually going to eject people who finally give up on tolerating the other member as they appear more and more, and the more overlaps you add constantly the more you eject. Until you're left with a shared viewer base made out of the most milquetoast of viewers who're happy with any and all livers - which is to say, they don't really have any opinion at all. And that's not a passionate fanbase, nor is it likely to be a loyal one. You've filtered and strained your viewer base again and again until it resembles the consistency of baby food.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:51:31 2023 No.58907776 >>58907079 oversaturated market

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:52:36 2023 No.58907796 >>58907079 Why would anyone wanna watch a bootleg version of OfflineTV?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:54:03 2023 No.58907821 the yabs after yab after yab after yab, so it was mostly self sabotage and rep destruction. discord yab started it but what really killed it imo is Iluna being such a terrible gen

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:56:44 2023 No.58907865

>>58907079
>NijiEN girls get their own niche for first 3 waves
>guys debut, are extremely popular and attract a new audience
>the girls try to get a piece of the new audience for themselves, plenty of old fans move on
>majority of the girls fanbase now consists of women who see them as side hoes to the guys
>said women are only there to use the men as their own masturbatory fantasies and have no established etiquette, creating possibly the worst fanbase in vtuber fandoms
>the guys get filthy rich and stop pandering to these women, opt to discard them and just become variety streamers
>massive amount of the new fans leave, including the one that overlapped with the girls
>fail to get a new audience even with new debuts, branch is forever branded as coomerbait and the drama and mismanagement doesn't help promote them
>no events or 3D, nothing for talents to look forward to
>only ones still getting decent views are the ones whose fans didn't change since the start, namely the Lazulight/Obsydia girls and Noctyx

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:57:10 2023 No.58907872 File: 845 KB, 2480x3508, 20230920_161131.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>58907117 You not wrong anon and they want more of these ships.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:58:21 2023 No.58907893 >>58907079 The male viewers left after getting insulted enough times.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:02:57 2023 No.58907980 >>58907667 Reimu starting the dearth of Vox’s career will never cease to amuse me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:03:08 2023 No.58907982 >>58907079 kpop zoomers who hopped on the bandwagon have already went back to their kpop idols

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:05:14 2023 No.58908015 >>58907821 why iluna of all gens lmao

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:06:58 2023 No.58908057 >>58907752 The other thing was the frequency of 5+ people collabs, especially during the crab game arc. The voice chat was just too hectic so every perspective was basically the same.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:09:00 2023 No.58908109

>>58908015
Iluna went full coombait during their pre-debut period which was at the same time Tempus was in their pre-debut period.
People kept comparing the two (Iluna being coomers and gay baiting while Tempus acted like bros).
Didn’t help that after Iluna debut, they were all mediocre at best.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:10:06 2023 No.58908137 >>58908015 Because it was a fucking disaster of a gen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:10:20 2023 No.58908145 >>58907079 drama

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:11:57 2023 No.58908182 >>58907079 Most people find watching people flirt in public uncomfortable

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:12:33 2023 No.58908199

>>58908015
>>58908109
They were basically the point where people lost interest, people ITT make good points about the previous waves' mistakes and all but in all honesty shit could still have been turned around if Iluna didn't kill all their momentum and popularity by being the worst gen ever

Scarle
>Pre-debut she is acting like a hot dom-mommy Latina on social media
>Debut to be a blithering childish mess who cannot even say gracias correctly
>Wanted to quit after her awful debut month, Nina told her not too
>Sex model is wasted on the asexual, pansexual thing
Aia
>Pre-debut is her being the apparent "girl boss" who is openly gay and SJW
>Debut is even worse with the pandering to twitter types, killing her instantly
>Dropped the bully kayfabe, also wanted to quit until Nina told her otherwise
>Runt
Maria
>Safe pre-debut and post debut
>Her time-zone and game choices limit her exposure
>Has musical goals which eat into her time
>Should have been in XSOLIA
Aster
>Pre-debut femboy bait
>Debut and outright admit you find BL disgusting
>Constantly rage at co-workers in tournaments, keep playing games in silence
>Has almost fallen to 2view status
Kyo
>For his pre-debut, he dox'd his co-workers
>Debut a generic wigger who likes Nintendo games
>Is fading into irrelevance, clings to Enna who is climbing in viewership
>Damages her rep and his own out of spite
>Cannot take any banter, got a new model to fix his height due to his manlet cope
>Will never be Black
Ren
>Pre-debut is alien kayfabe, debut is solid with a song
>Despite the hype and clear talent skill gap between talents, coasts
>Rarely streams once a week, doing nothing with his newfound exposure
>Finally realises that you need to stream to have an audience
>It's too fucking late

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:17:34 2023 No.58908333 >>58908199 For Maria she also had that off pako with three of the guys with no other girls around, she had that twitter voice thing where she was in bed and you could hear the three other guys near her in the background.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:19:35 2023 No.58908390

>>58907079
Without memes and rrats and cynical bullshit, I think that they got really flexible with the kind of freedoms their talents have, but it backfired, and poor management set in motion a decline.

At first, it caused a lot of growth. The atmosphere is quite relaxed and casual, with very little idol-culture aspects. It felt like a big family being silly together.

But then slowly, it began to erode their purpose and direction. Over time the aspirational aspects of the talents, and the Nijisanji collective vision for who they are and where they want to go in their career got lost in the chaos, or at least it feels that way.

Add in some absolutely awful management, expansion at an overly rapid rate, overworking talents, under-compensating them in many ways, not offering enough support, etc., and it will result in what we see today: Many talents, some good at their job some not, with little support, no collective vision, struggling as hard as possible to do this event here or that thing there, like a rat king trying to run in 10 different directions.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:20:46 2023 No.58908422 >>58907865 Literally this Good summary

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:23:37 2023 No.58908496 >>58908333 i didn't want to know that! I liked her a lot. You're rusing me right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:28:04 2023 No.58908579 Male fans left after all the males debuted, female fans left after Luxiem shat on all of their parasocial audience after their wallets were full enough

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>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:33:47 2023 No.58908697 >>58907079 seriously tho, there are tons of good EN chuubas on /lig/ & /wvt/ compared to nijikeks

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:33:56 2023 No.58908698 Too many fucking talents. Nothing any of the waves did or didn't do could match up to oversaturation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:46:33 2023 No.58908965 >>58908496 how the fuck do you not know that it's one of the reason why all of iluna is shit maria was supposed to be the "good one" and then none of them were so all the girls plus aster are raspberry lords

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:51:28 2023 No.58909061 >>58908965 Sorry i guess i rused myself. Since no one corrected you on /vt/ it must be real.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 10:09:05 2023 No.58909460 File: 515 KB, 874x740, 1648025296631.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>58907079 The curse of the "All out war"

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 10:09:28 2023 No.58909468 >>58909061 I remember her being really excited about how all the guys hands were big compared to her body

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 10:10:33 2023 No.58909489 >>58907079 Luca. Annoying Males. Killed all the good faith they amassed from their first 2 gens. Luca. Black corpo that treated Zaion like shit. Luca.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 10:24:03 2023 No.58909747 >>58907079 vtubing is dying in the west it's not just them almost everyone is either stagnating or on a decline even the new hires got quickly put in their place within a month of debut but they crashed faster from constant drama and shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 10:27:13 2023 No.58909808 >>58907079 I know what I stopped watching them, but their viewership peak was later so I couldn't say for the overall systemic decline.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 10:41:15 2023 No.58910082

People blame the fujo market as being unstable, but it isn't like groups/games/manga/etc of that type are all flash in the pan. Maintaining early Luxiem was unrealistic but they still could've been a notable thing. They weren't wrong to throw all they had behind the boys but it was probably done wrong. They should've got 3D earlier, which also means stop being a bitch and speed up everyone's 3D. They should've figured out what content this demographic wants and how to support it. Not throw constant merch out and make every NijiEN thing Luxiem flavoured. Also properly establishing boundaries and chat etiquette is to everyone's benefit. Strip clubs have rules and tightly enforced boundaries. Shockingly, I think NijiEN might have a management problem and don't properly train talent.

For the girls I really don't believe male collabs are the issue. They just really haven't done much of note so faded into the background. Even the best streamer needs bigger projects going on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 10:41:34 2023 No.58910083 File: 109 KB, 1169x1169, 1695024657514667.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>58907079 Yeah Nijisanji EN (CN) didn't do well as they expected. All out war lole

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 10:43:43 2023 No.58910133 Why are numberthreads allowed outside of /#/? Why hasn't SEA been rangebanned yet?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 10:50:39 2023 No.58910281 >>58910133 >nijifag >seething at numbers like pottery, you fucks aren't like this when luxiem was at it's peak. talk about hypocrisy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 10:50:53 2023 No.58910290 >>58908333 >off pako with three of the guys I didn't know about this. who are they?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 10:52:08 2023 No.58910314 >>58907079 >Doppio Dropscythe >Yu Q. Wilson What the fuck are these names? Are they chosen to purposefully make the members unsuccesfull or did they genuinely think it was a good idea?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 10:56:46 2023 No.58910429 File: 1.34 MB, 1360x758, 1665347742725022.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>58910290 Here's a pic of the offcollab, you can literally imagine the spitroast dp after stream Bets on who got which position anons?

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:04:22 2023 No.58910622
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>>58910133
>Nijisissies when luxiem had chinkbot funds to their organ livers: HAHAHA TAKE THAT HOLOFAG
>chinkbot funds runs out, yabs after yabs all time low decline of viewership
>NOOOOOOOOOO M-M-MUH NUMBERFAGS!!1!

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:05:03 2023 No.58910641

The thing is if you're actually targeting the audience that fucking loves shipping male and female talents, that doesn't care about the audience-streamer relationship nearly as much as they care about being a passive voyeur to streamer-streamer relationships and happenings, then you have to go all in on that. You can't have your cake and eat it too, you can't expect the same kind of privacy leeway given to the conventional vtuber. You've practically bred your audience to want Terrace House and then you blueball them by going off on a giant off-camera vacation together? And then in your solo streams you expect your audience to believe they have a close enough relationship with you as viewers that they think nothing of dropping hundreds to support you? That's not going to happen, you alienate both the passive voyeurs and active engagers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:05:32 2023 No.58910652 >>58907079 hetero ships don't sell

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:07:06 2023 No.58910689

>>58907079
I don't watch them but as a numberchad here's what I've seen
>start off as a HoloEN lite branch
>Luxiem debuts and blows up in the chink fujo market
>company starts steering in that direction, filtering the Holo audience as a result
>October 2022
>CCP cracks down on VPNs
>Luxiem loses 50% of their viewership overnight
>a nonstop streak of drama starts, mostly because of Nijisanji's greedy meat grinder model and lack of support for the talents
>all while the western Vtubing scene as a whole is on decline

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:13:16 2023 No.58910837 >>58908199 I love Nina so much, I hope she can find a better place to be at than Niji.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:23:45 2023 No.58911092 File: 96 KB, 480x480, 1692712870664206.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>58910689 We still have SEA women supporting luxiem. We can manage.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:25:34 2023 No.58911134 >>58910689 >I don't watch them but as a numberchad lmfao

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:34:14 2023 No.58911355 >>58910429 It's always Luca involved in this kind of thing, isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:50:02 2023 No.58911832 >>58907079 Evil will never prosper man When they insulted hololive back then, its already guaranteed that shit gonna fly back at them

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:52:23 2023 No.58911897 >>58908199 Ren tagged mumei out of nowhere, every HL fan became NijiEn anti

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:55:45 2023 No.58912006 >>58911092 I don't know Mysta was still getting some good numbers. Seems like SEA money are not worth much.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:56:15 2023 No.58912020 They stopped vetting the talents ages ago. Most of them now are literal whos that know nothing about vtubers, anime, or even games for that matter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:56:45 2023 No.58912042 >>58907079 Ethyria was bad enough already, then Luxiem completely destroyed the branch by pandering the the worst people imaginable. A horde of disgusting chinese fujoshis invaded out of nowhere and pushed the actual Vtuber fans out.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:02:28 2023 No.58912211 >>58907079 It's because the talents and their fanbase are cancer.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:04:51 2023 No.58912293

>>58907079
The downfall: China banning underage people from watching streams past a certain hour
The murder: Reimu and Vox yab, a victory for Reimu as she had nothing to lose but complete death for Vox and other males. All of them left for shoto and tempus that just debuted then. Nobody is watching niji females at this point
The burial: openly shitting on fans, wishing they would graduate over having to interact with them, multiple graduations and terminations, only schizos left and normalfags that watch iluna who dont give a shit about nijisanji or vtubing

They killed themselves

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:08:43 2023 No.58912409 >>58907079 >why did NijiEN recline so much? >audience is drama loving 13-year-olds on tiktok/twitch >gee i wonder why the moved on when the fad died down

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:11:59 2023 No.58912490 >>58908199 Did kyo seriously get a model update because he was that butthurt about being a manlet? That’s so retarded I genuinely don’t believe you

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:13:47 2023 No.58912545 >>58912490 Anon, he even had clips ready to revenge post everyone who made fun of him.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:15:08 2023 No.58912576 >>58911092 Speaking of SEA, why are there so many flips watching Nijien? I recently visited fb groups and most of them, about 95%, are flip girls sperging about Luxiem.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:35:43 2023 No.58913175

>>58907079
A lot of factors, but mainly it's niji fault
True, there's no longer the "Covid buff", but they sabotaged themselves with "MALES". It's not bad to have male vtubers, but it's bad to flirt with them. It's simply not the content the viewers are looking for. Also, Niji just keep accelerating w/o supporting their talents after debut, kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:41:25 2023 No.58913341 >>58907079 >3view branch Remember when they said something about Council, now one Council member annihilate almost all of them together

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:47:14 2023 No.58913472 >>58911355 Yes, but it was also an Aussie EN offcollab.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:48:52 2023 No.58913513 File: 462 KB, 585x564, 471EB5C6-18E5-45A3-A518-2CF69C99233E.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>58907079 >PARASOCIAL FUCKSSSS!!! >OMG LUCA YOU ARE SOOOOO HOOOOOOOOT >b-b-by the way, you guys will still watch me right? right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:50:11 2023 No.58913542 >>58912576 Mysta, Luca, and Hex are Flips.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:50:51 2023 No.58913558 cliques, bullying, harassment, awful culture, awful people among the streamers, awful fanbase consisting of chinese fujos and all the psychos of twitter who dont actually watch streams

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:51:50 2023 No.58913587 >>58908199 Fucking Nina, how did she do it? >Only good bit of a shit gen >Actively holding the other gens together The commie was the best one, fucking grim.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:54:31 2023 No.58913663 >>58913542 Didn't knew that they were pinoy (Flips is Filipino, right ?)

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:56:12 2023 No.58913711

>>58907079
They mistook "Chinese fujos and kpop fans who would watch Luxiems do anything at all with anyone just because they were a meme fad for them" for "our practices for mixing boy/girl content are a hit and the West loves it." The funny thing is people were saying how much they dislike these dynamics since the beginning basically and all the response was from the livers themselves was basically "suck it incels we'll do it twice as hard to spite you" and all that's done is just steadily chew away at the branch.

Regardless of what is considered ethically/morally just or most righteous, the overall candor of the branch disregarding the concerns of fans is just off-putting. You'd have to be blind or just plain disingenuous pushing an agenda to not see the weird contrast of "Vox does a bunch of hardcore blatant BFE and sexy ASMRs for a year+, then turns and diarrheas on the exact fanbase this work built up yet blames them for liking him like that." It's like an ice cream shop suddenly turning into a vegan kale salad bar and then shaming any of the old customers walking in as unhealthy fatass losers for liking the ice cream. No really, what the fucking fuck, how could anyone do something like that and unironically not expect backlash. Did Vox (not to mention the branch) unironically believe they could just replace the audience and not incur controversy? Did the management think that? They deserve all their decline and more IMO.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:58:15 2023 No.58913769 >>58907117 Pretty much this, and then the males all took this as a sign to start flirting with all of the girls, which is why we have ships with non-ethyria members like pomu

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 12:59:12 2023 No.58913793 File: 365 KB, 2048x1326, LucaXPomu.jpg_large.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>58907117 The flirt have started Luxiem debut and Pumu fell in love with Luca, 95% of the streans have Luca mention or collab on the first year.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 13:11:38 2023 No.58914189
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>>58908199
>>58912490
>Kyo got a new model to fix his height due to his manlet cope

You will never be tall. You have no height, you have no reach, you have no masculinity. You are a manlet twisted by commissioned artwork into a crude mockery of luxiem's perfection.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Outside your fan hashtags twitter mocks you. Your viewers are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “niji-family” laughs at your ghoulish appearance in Finana's private discord.

Fujos are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed Chinese women to sniff out shotas with incredible efficiency. Even vtubers with “2.0 debuts” look uncanny and unnatural to a fujo. Your new height being exactly 6 feet is a dead giveaway to what you really are: an insecure manlet. And even if you manage to get a returning sister to watch you, she’ll turn tail and bolt the second she sees your round childlike head, with the new generic ikemen facial features pasted on.

You will never be black. You turn on your rap music every single morning and tell yourself it’s finna be 100 (no cap), but deep inside you feel your inner slave-owner creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the ancestral desire to laugh at fried chicken and watermelon jokes.

Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll go on Youtube, schedule a broadcast, title it: [GRADUATION LAST STREAM], and plunge into the cold abyss. Your fans will watch you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to pretend to be attracted to adult men. Nijisanji will still include you on the height graph as your original size, and every viewer for the rest of eternity will know you as the shortest male in nijisanji en. Your little body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a youtube play button that nijisanji takes from you to put in their office.

This is your height. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 13:14:30 2023 No.58914267 >>58914189 Wow that's pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 13:15:10 2023 No.58914285 >>58913587 She is so fucking great the only way the universe can fucking equalize it is to make everything else shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 13:16:18 2023 No.58914324 >>58908199 Nina telling them not to quit then quitting a year later is poetic lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 13:18:20 2023 No.58914369 >>58914189 How is he not embarrassed to do this?

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 13:21:09 2023 No.58914450

It's simple, really.
They failed to be Nijisanji EN. They failed to capture what made the JP branch successful and adapt it for a western audience. Or fuck, even get inspiration from their fucking senpai in any shape or form.
Where is the EN Toya? EN Belmond? EN Deron? EN Amamya? EN SKB-bu?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 13:21:26 2023 No.58914457 File: 818 KB, 1000x1288, Yugo_Asuma_portrait.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>58907079 when my wife left, it was all down hill from there

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 13:23:53 2023 No.58914526 >>58914450 >They failed to capture what made the JP branch successful Unironically, what is that? I don't watch NijiJP

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 13:24:05 2023 No.58914529 >>58914457 >You will never see a 2.0 model reveal with tight sarashi hiding a pair of killer tits Why live.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 13:26:16 2023 No.58914588 File: 444 KB, 634x430, Your0shi.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>58914526 Hololive but fucking nuts, with a million low tier chuubas and a few big ones. Look at a few Mito streams, she makes Haachama look like an elegant princess.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 13:33:15 2023 No.58914822 >>58914369 A few cm would be reasonable but 183 means he literally said make me 6ft.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 13:45:49 2023 No.58915231 >>58914189 No way this is real, I seen this some days ago and thought it's a meme, if it's true it's pure retardation unless it's an alter ego or some shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 13:53:23 2023 No.58915500 >>58907079 I think all the nijiEN work together to destroy niji and turn into an indie like a victim instead of the asshole, everything they do sounds retarded and counterproductive

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:19:37 2023 No.58916553 >>58907079 Went from a nice group of friends with good chemistry to drama backstabbing yabs galore and hookup culture. Millie and Enna are primarily to blame imo.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:33:05 2023 No.58917192 >>58915231 kekino

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:38:02 2023 No.58917402 >>58908333 Really?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:38:05 2023 No.58917404 >>58907079 >Was it just EN vtubing declining as a whole? NijiEN would kill to have Advent's so-called-horrible 5k-8k

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:39:12 2023 No.58917457 >>58917402 See >>58910429 And remember that if you don't want that, you're a filthy parasocial incel who is also in the minority of their fans.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:41:41 2023 No.58917562 >>58917404 I think a better comparison for NijiEN would be the heavy hitters from corpos like Phase.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:00:24 2023 No.58918342 >>58907079 The real non-schizo, non-unicorn answer is there are too fucking many of them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:02:41 2023 No.58918472 >>58918342 You don't have to be an unicorn to be put off by the constant male collabs, especially the shitty "surprise" ones.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:22:03 2023 No.58919738 >>58907079 Maybe, just maybe... Don't insult your viewers just to show you are better than 'incels'

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:23:28 2023 No.58919836

Aside from the talents, fans used to think NijiEN had laid-back and smart managers.
It turns out that they just had very little management with the early talents (besides maybe Finana) making smart decision for themselves. But the management hired later sucks ass.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:34:03 2023 No.58920576

>>58907079
honestly, I'm a terminally online alpha consumer, and they gave me and the retards like me no one to root for
>millie was the first to say really get uppity to parasocials, the I can be your wingman speech during her 100k? Eating spicy stream
>I watched a lot of Nina but she got really gross when the guys came
>I watched enna the longest, but apologizing for the chicken joke and the queen of spades thing filtered me not to mention kyo
>reimu, great model but she filtered me with her constant scuff even before the drama,

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:35:37 2023 No.58920664 We gonna ignore that YouTube algorithm will recommend you the same 5 hololive channels if you've ever watched a single clip of theirs

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:40:37 2023 No.58920955

There's just too many places to start
>Too many livers in the EN branch that all play and do essentially the same content. Very few really have what you can definitely call their own niche, however big or small it is.
>Some members are too damn wishy-washy on parasocialism. They'll turn their back on their audience and preach to them how its bad, but then they'll also shill voice packs and merch while still feeding said audience with ASMRs. Ironically, this created a stronger breed of parasocial fans that don't want to believe or admit that they're very invested in said streamers.
>The non-stop drama. This year was a boiling point that resulted in two members leaving, and hearing your oshi sound audibly depressed on stream doesn't make for a fun viewing environment that you'll want to come back to
>Horrific, incompetent management that screws up everytime and is too willing to have the talents defend them.
>They lost both the original fanbase and the new that arrived for Luxiem/Noctyx. As shown with the recent "Girls Only" Valorant collabs, the old fans fucking bailed because they don't want to watch in case some random dude they don't care about shows up again. What little fans remain are basically at war with each other. And the audience mostly made up of women don't really seem to enjoy vidya-related content, they seem to enjoy either watch alongs or mainly stick to ASMR/Romantic RP/Reality TV-tier streams
>The spontaneous VC collabs just don't work anymore. It was fine with Lazusydia because there was a sense of friendship and most of the fanbase was shared. But now too many of the fans stick with their oshi and don't like the other talents at all.

>>58917562
At this point, NijiEN is basically on par with Phase in terms of live viewership.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:03:47 2023 No.58922335 >>58918342 Niji has more than 100 members and their top ones can compete with the top ones from hololive, meanwhile in EN the top ones can't compete even with the lowest EN holo, so no, it isn't just because there's too many of them

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:06:38 2023 No.58922485 I lost complete respect for everyone in EN after what they did to zaion

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:08:07 2023 No.58922563 >>58913793 Well, they are dating after all

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:08:25 2023 No.58922582 >>58907079 If you're a female streamer and you don't suck off your audience, you will be dropped and forgotten after they jack off to you. Male vtubers were never going to be successful.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:08:25 2023 No.58922584 File: 1.82 MB, 335x335, 1692346867880987.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>58907079 >small corpos mogging nijien Yikes

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:09:20 2023 No.58922625 >>58907079 I thought sisters said that nobody gave a shit about the dramas outside of /here/, then why everyone got burn out of nijiEN?

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:11:49 2023 No.58922742
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>>58907079
Nijii EN is a case of don't put of of your eggs in the China basket cause they will screw you over every time. Company's really want China so bad since number wise look at all of the people, but in practice it never works ever for any company doing anything with China ever.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:12:51 2023 No.58922792 >>58922625 >I thought sisters said that nobody gave a shit about the dramas outside of /here/, The chink pandering really hurt them hard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:13:19 2023 No.58922807 File: 730 KB, 2490x3510, F4sjuxvaQAAgN9I.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I love Pomu, I only care about Pomu, the entire branch can crash and burn but as long as Pomu is okay, I don't care

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:14:07 2023 No.58922846 Arctic Monkeys aren't sang enough, do mutts not know them?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:14:31 2023 No.58922865 >>58922335 >and their top ones can compete with the top ones from hololive With Marine and Peko, really? Like not saying your wrong I'm just surprised.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:15:03 2023 No.58922896 >>58922807 Pomu is not okay.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:15:52 2023 No.58922937 >>58922896 I know, believe me, I know

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:17:11 2023 No.58923019 >>58922582 Doesn't need to be sexual, but a girl that only treats her viewers as casual interactions won't caught my attention.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:17:13 2023 No.58923021 >>58922865 I'm not a numberfag but kuzuha is up there, plus he never sold out to fujos

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:18:18 2023 No.58923078 >>58923019 I didn't mean it in a sexual way. To suck someone off is to treat them like they're important

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:19:12 2023 No.58923124
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>throw all of your resources at teenage chinese girls/ young SEA women and expect them to stick around instead of immediately gravitate to the next fad on Tiktok or next vtuber Bilibili throws at them

mistake

>ship everyone off to Japan to record for the AR 3D live and leave next to no streams besides the failures of Iluna that no one wants to watch
>Scrap all of it due to "covid" and even screw fucking Luxiem over right when they needed a saving throw
>Care so little about the branch OBSYDIA dosn't have 3D and even Pomu's original song from her 3D a year ago hasn't had an official release yet

>Burn all your goodwill in the west by being litigious copyright-abusing pricks and attempting (and FAILING) to silence hacks like FalseEyeD
>Burn even more western goodwill by appeasing Twitter freaks during the Zaion incident and blowing up everything she did to seem as awful as possible during her termination notice and having the retards in her branch (and finana) dogpile her while she could not legally respond, hell REN is the only one who even told the sisters attacking her to lay off
Not a single official company statement on that
I know Zaion wasn't a big deal and people don't actually watch her but their handling of the situation and utter lack of caring really left a bad taste in the mouths of fans who actually speak English and don't cry to kpop fancams.
I'd say more about the talents but you know any "yab" from them over the years has been eclipsed by how incompetent and malicious upper management has been

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:19:32 2023 No.58923136 File: 553 KB, 1079x1656, 1695226680332.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This makes numberfags upset

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:20:19 2023 No.58923181 >>58923078 ah ok, sorry for misinterpreting it. i get what you mean 100%, i don't get how gals that don't give any affection to chat get loyal simps.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:20:59 2023 No.58923210 >>58923124 >Pomu's original song from her 3D a year ago hasn't had an official release yet That's all on Pomu, she's taking forever with the MV because she wants it to be animated

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:21:10 2023 No.58923223 >>58923136 low CCV

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:21:18 2023 No.58923229 >>58923021 Kuzuha is smart he know he is loved by fujos without even baiting them

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:23:33 2023 No.58923333 >>58923210 It took staff almost 6 months to approve the song. Recording was done in late June/early July 2022, but her manager sat on it until Pomu went to Japan to record her 3D and wanted to use the song in her 3D debut.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:23:36 2023 No.58923339

>>58912490
lol
Did you miss the whole Zaion saga? Kyo tried to talk shit with Zaion and Doppio, they bantered back at him, he couldn't handle banter going both ways and went silent almost crying unable to talk back while they were jsut joking around, Kyo was so butthurt about the situation he deleted the VOD. Later Doppio was forced to apologize and became Kyo's lackey, while Zaion didn't agree to those demands so she got suspended.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:24:33 2023 No.58923376

>>58923124
The way they treated Zaion throughout her short tenure was so disgusting I unsubbed from every Niji. Even Ren who was the only one who had the decency to tell his fans not to harass and dox her got a stealth suspension shortly after. That tells you everything you need to know about the people whose pockets your money would be lining by supporting Niji

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:24:51 2023 No.58923392 >>58923136 Enna is an abnormality, she only has high CCV during Asia-friendly time zones. Whenever she has to do streams in the west it always craters hard in viewership like for Project Zomboid.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:25:32 2023 No.58923428 >>58912293 based Reimu killing cringe male.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:26:38 2023 No.58923476

>>58913587
And the funniest thing is, Nina was hardcore woke before joining Niji, people were warning about her even more than they did with Aia. However as it turned out Nina was the only person in entire company to understand that after becoming a corpo vtuber, you don't have to loudly announce your political views at every occasion and it's better to shut up for the sake of growing healthy fanbase.
It's also possible she simply understood woke isn't the way after reading up on the subject more but I didn't follow her closely enough to be sure if that happened.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:27:32 2023 No.58923517 Nijigypsies your response?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:28:38 2023 No.58923568 >>58914189 lmao

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:29:00 2023 No.58923591

>>58923376
I'm fine with the ones who had the decency to ignore the whole thing like most of the people up to Noctyx and definitely fine with Ren but Finana, Kotoka (no I don't care if she cried during a members-only stream), and Hex really fucking blew it for me

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:29:40 2023 No.58923619 Funny how the progressive west that supposedly hates "idol culture" refuses to watch NijiEN. Curious...

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:30:16 2023 No.58923651 >>58923619 anime fans have always been conservative

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:31:04 2023 No.58923684 >>58923476 She was mostly afraid of saying anything at all at a certain point since most of NijiEN's fanbase were ESL retards misinterpreting her sense of humor in the most malicious ways they could think of

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:32:26 2023 No.58923739

>>58908199
To add to this Anon's list:
Scarle
>Can't be bothered to collab because she is either a complete silence wreck or annoying poser. Apparently she's too shy one year later yeah.
>Does only coombait zatsus. In fact every single stream is a super chat stream and makes so much more dosh than the rest of the girls.

Aia
>Thought it would be a good idea to reveal she's a turbo slut. Has probably the lowest rice purity score in NijiEN (At least for the girls)
>Has this weird thing where she's an experienced slut but wants to be a nerd too, no one buys it.

Aster
>It's a try-hard. Has gone off on people like Finana and Rosemi in the past but petty things when playing vidya.
>Can't decide if he's an uguu femboy, dominating handsome man or a cool beauty.

Ren
>Has some amazing music skills, in fact his best streams are always music related, but rarely does them.

Kyo
>Got himself a spotlight and even for a short time he was considered one of the best iluna members but killed all that for endlessly hanging out with Enna and friends
>He's an aggressive manlet that can't take any banter. A lot of people got put off at the start because of just how aggressive this dude was.

Maria
>Probably the roughest of all at the start. Her streams could only be described either as boring silence or a cacophony of weird noises.
>Has massive shitpost start with people flooding the thread with Maria it's Rosemi but better trash. Needless to say that didn't sit well with /nijien/
>PL doxx absolutely murdered her potential unicorns. Not even the offcollab that supposedly damaged her did as much as people founding out about her PL.
>Had some of the worst schedules for months (Vanta would take the crown later) including shit like Apex, Valorant, indie game, rinse and repeat.
>Struggled to find her niche for months it became a meme in /nijien/

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:32:53 2023 No.58923757 >>58923619 Virtally signing in reddit and X/troonter doesn't translate to viewership and merch sales. How surprising

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:33:13 2023 No.58923768 The worst thing Niji has done to Pomu was giving her a jank 3D model and then making her wait a year to fix it

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:33:34 2023 No.58923785 >>58923651 >>58923619 I mainly watch vtubers to escape politics in general, not because I'm a liberal or a conservative, and bringing any of that shit into vtubing will absolutely kill it

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:34:54 2023 No.58923848

>>58907079
Iluna disappointed people so hard that the other waves are debuffed. The girls prior to them still get around their usual numbers, like Pomu. Finana and Enna are the only ones that have reclined. Luxiem reclined because the boom is gone and everyone who watched them fucked back off to kpop or whatever. This screenshot is a bad representation of numbers because
1. Pomu’s stream is a 24/7 VOD relay because she is on vacation currently.
2. Valorant debuff

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:34:54 2023 No.58923847 >>58923785 Wrong, a cute and funny wignat vtuber would be amazing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:34:59 2023 No.58923850 >>58923785 Regardless, even in the most basic of anime, the Shonen; it is all about working hard and being responsible.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:35:39 2023 No.58923875 >>58922807 I'd love to follow her again but I don't want to hear her talking about niji EN males and she does it every fucking stream i check.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:35:56 2023 No.58923884

>>58923229
To say the true this is the way the fujos like, just like there's many normalfags that like characters that are lolis but if you say it's a loli they'll say "there's small women IRL too, stop projecting pedo", that's why most fujo things are "implications", few are confirmed, because fujos like their headcanon more than the actual thing

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:36:21 2023 No.58923907 So at this point there isn't a single girl who's dedicated to her viewers no?

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:39:38 2023 No.58924036

>>58923124
I mostly stopped watching them due to all male collabs months earlier but know several people who completely dropped Niji EN after Zaion drama, solely due to how she was treated. They didn't even watch Zaion herself but they realized how awful Niji EN situation is after that termination smear campaign. That event is far from the only one, it isn't main factor either, but it shouldn't be underestimated when thinking of Nijisanji EN decline.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:39:40 2023 No.58924039 >>58923907 Funnily enough, Scarle is the most dedicated in terms of the sheer amount of solo streams she has on her channel. It's probably why she has the largest amount of paying fans, she didn't pull a Meloco or Kotoka.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:40:23 2023 No.58924066

>>58923907
If you mean "won't collab with males" no
Otherwise it's still Pomu, Selen and Rosemi. I don't know what Elira's content is like but she seems safe. I doubt Scarle will betray you either but listening to her turns my brain into mush. People talk shit about Rosemi but she gives monthly handwritten letters to her members and is very comfy and approachable in member streams and will read funny comments even if you're a greyname.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:41:57 2023 No.58924132 >>58924036 the common retort is "you don't even watch her look at her CCV!" (this is the only time they'll ever bring up CCV in /nijien/ BTW) but that's not even the point and they don't even watch their own talents most of the time

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:46:50 2023 No.58924388 >>58924066 Feels weird there really isn't many girls who treat their viewer nicely. Not even talking like dick sucking or unicorn stuff, just treat nice?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:51:57 2023 No.58924628 same regurgitated stale criticisms, same regurgitated stale anecdotes, same regurgitated stale bait. what is the point of it all

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:52:46 2023 No.58924670 Smells like pagpag in this thread. SEA urchins still upset that NijiEn isn't dying? Stay prickly lmao

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:53:37 2023 No.58924717 >>58924628 What was true in the past is still true now. Shocker. Go help your talents instead of shitposting, niji intern.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:53:43 2023 No.58924723 >>58924388 most of them are nice to their viewers, it's really just Enna Some of them are socially oblivious though and shoot themselves in the foot like Meloco/Reimu/Finana

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:53:45 2023 No.58924727 [DELETED]

>>58911897
It's worse. Mumei's RM account liked Ren's original song on Twitter first, then Ren tagged Mumei's Hololive account. Doesn't matter if it's an open secret; as a corpo vtuber, it's standard practice to separate personal and corpo identities. That instance and tagging NijiJPs actually out of nowhere just made Ren seem like a grifting noob who knew nothing about vtubing culture.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:54:24 2023 No.58924765 >>58913663 it's a derogatory term for Filipinos meaning, fuckling little island people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:57:18 2023 No.58924895 >>58924727 But how would you know the two accounts were related, unless you yourself are a doxxfag?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:57:23 2023 No.58924898 >>58924628 >>58924670 very organic defense force kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:57:46 2023 No.58924921 >>58924670 sounds like you are coping anon, the numbers dont lie, you are acting like a delusional WoW fanboy

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:58:23 2023 No.58924952 >>58924895 >doxxfag you're retarded and don't even know what dox means

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:06:14 2023 No.58925357

It's Enna, it's all her fault and always has been.

Here's a partial list of all the shit Enna has done.
>the first to stream over time at nijimelody setting a precedent for the others, resulting in Layla having to take songs off her setlist
>The famous fried chicken incident which nobody was offended by, and she chose to make it a huge incident and do a 30 minute apology sounding like a whining SJW
>goes menhera on chat when they say she has a bad personality
>Dramabaits her wisdom tooth surgery even doing a will-writing stream, keeps saying she will die. The same surgery with a 99.9% survival rate and she recovered in less than a week.
>Plays a video of herself punching Jesus in the face several times. Laughs about it. Even though her "best friend" Millie professes to be a christian.
>Constantly donation baiting. Stays 2 hours after stream to bait memberships. Always povertybaiting (I can't afford a car, I can't afford a phone, I can't afford my rent....waaaa)
>always joking about graduation
>acts super depressed, constantly whining about herself and how sad she is. But laughs on twitter about how she lied about being lonely. Always talking about her friends and family.
>calls herself a virgin practically every stream, but also talks about having multiple boyfriends in the past.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y8Hi5DWdpo
>encourages Millie to do a backlash stream to "own the incels" on 4chan. Didn't read the stream prompt and the stream went off the rails. Calls out 4chan in the stream and whines about people questioning her virginity status.
>calls herself a "weeb" because she watched Sailor Moon. Her favorite show is The Kardashians, The Bachelorette, and Korean dating dramas.

Then there's her disrespect for her coworkers and her fans.
>is a sore loser after being beaten by ren in mario party, hasn't been in a collab with him since
>Overlaps Mysta's birthday with a chinese-stream. Steals lots of his donors. During the stream shits on Mysta's fans calling them all "clowns", says their oshi is a clown too.
>Shits all over Ver during their first collab. Mocking his masculinity.
>Doesn't tweet Selen's 3.0, leaves Selen out of her intro.
>Shits all over Selen's big wrestling event. Is late the first day because she was partying for chinese new year. Acted super tired the second day and ruined everyone's fun. Later admitted her tiredness was just an act to copy Kyo who was tired from his meds.
>Shits on Pomu's NKODice tournament saying she wants to leave. Pomu seems hurt by this.
>Insults Doppio for no reason, causing huge outrage with female fans.
>Shits all over Ver during their first collab. Mocking his masculinity, insulting him for no reason.
>snaps at zaion on twitter for no reason, apologizes says she doesn't know why she keeps doing this
>Snaps at Elira after the girl's offcollab screaming at her in all caps on twitter
>Semi-ruined the monopoly collab by singing random annoying things. Even Kyo thought it was weird and kept telling her to stop.
>Keeps shitting on her own fans every stream. Insulting them and deriding them all the time.
>Badmouthed her own father when he criticized how degenerate her content was.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19MT0wRL6x4&t=9413

Then there's her NTR arc. She constantly flirts with males on stream. Her excuse is that her chat isn't parasocial with her so it's totally ok to do this.
>Does a "workout stream" with Luca and is flirting with him the whole stream. Brags about her ass, calls him "sir" and "boss". He invites her to australia to drive her around in his car and she agrees.
>Is borderline rapist to Hex on twitter. Asking him to choke her, sending him a sexual voice tweet. Later tries to call him "little brother" the same way she did with Luca.
>She constantly flirts with Kyo on her stream. Kyo laughs about cucking her fans, then she invites him over to her bedroom for a 1v1 offcollab. They flip off her fans together while holding hands. Afterwards she likes a bunch of NTR comments and says they made her laugh.

Her being parasocial with her fans, showing her hypocrisy.
>Holds weddings with her fans at animeimpulse. Claims she is "just parasocial for one day" but extends this to the next day too so she can get donations from chat.
>retweets dozens of her fans faces calling them "handsome", "cute", "hottie" etc. Including both male and female fans.
>Planning to do a "wedding stream" for her fans.
>Constantly talking about wanting a boyfriend, gets tons of superchats asking to marry her.
>Constantly tweeting every minute action of her daily life, treating her fans as a psuedo-boyfriend to offload her problems on. (nobody else does this)

Her lack of professionalism as a vtuber:
>keeps fucking up her schedule, having to repost schedules multiple times
>known to be extremely lazy, one of the lowest-streaming girls. According to Kyo, never reads the prompt for streams. Never prepares for streams. So lazy she begged her fans to do her work for her.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:06:36 2023 No.58925377 >>58924628 Because niji always has the same regurgitated dramas, if they learned to not be retards then maybe people won't use the same argument over and over again

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:08:48 2023 No.58925491 >>58924628 I honestly just want to scream my frustration away for this Godforsaken branch.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:13:57 2023 No.58925733 >>58925357 i agree with this to an extent, but its not just Enna, you really undersell just how much of a burden it is to have so many different drama baiters and cry babies in the same company, you cant get away from it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:15:45 2023 No.58925816 >>58923875 She barely talks about the males and hasn't done anything with Luca in almost a year.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:16:18 2023 No.58925838 >>58920955 >As shown with the recent "Girls Only" Valorant collabs Did those streams get horrible numbers or something?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:17:49 2023 No.58925908 >>58924670 Why would you rag on SEAfags when SEA makes up a large part of NijiENs remaining fanbase?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:18:55 2023 No.58925957 >>58925838 yes because it's multi-PoV and Valorant

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:19:51 2023 No.58925990 >>58925816 I must have worst luck then because I tuned in to three different streams two months ago, all advertised as solo ones, and they all had her starting to talk about Uki or Luca 5 within minutes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:21:08 2023 No.58926051 >>58925990 so the males are the ones in power on Niji?, is it some manager mandated stuff that doesn't let them be excluded?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:22:08 2023 No.58926096 I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Millie's GC stream yet

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:22:40 2023 No.58926138 >>58924628 #cut4hex

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:24:17 2023 No.58926196

>>58923739
>Maria
>Probably the roughest of all at the start
It's damn near unanimously agreed upon that Aia had it the roughest at the start due to her awkward lesbo bully kayfabe, and the extreme SJW pandering that killed her dead right from the get go.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:24:22 2023 No.58926201

>>58926051
I think the culture of Niji EN just changed permanently. There are too many males, they're too ingrained in everything happening, it's no longer possible to fully escape them, even if you avoid collabs.
Like, it was so cute how Pomu was leading baby camel through the Nether, singing along, baby talking to it, but then she had to break a block because passageway wasn't wide enough and started freaking out upon realizing that section was built by Uki and suddenly kept talking about him, completely forgetting her initial purpose. It hurt.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:26:34 2023 No.58926295 >>58925990 Talking about how Uki built something on the Minecraft server doesn't magically make a solo stream into a collab.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:27:15 2023 No.58926321 Where even are the popular dudes? Fulgur seems like the only guy from Luxiem or Noctyx who has been streaming regularly lately.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:27:21 2023 No.58926329
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>>58924670
nice false flag sister, except njifans are all chinks and SEA you lmao
especially philippine, they're nationalist on the same level of chinks...
and since there's a lot of flips in niji, they are obligated to support them

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:27:50 2023 No.58926346 >>58926295 Nobody claimed that was the case, so what's the point of your post, retarded strawmanner?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:28:17 2023 No.58926363 >>58926346 >I tuned in to three different streams two months ago, all advertised as solo ones, >>>all advertised as solo ones

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:29:53 2023 No.58926420 >>58926363 Yes? I didn't claim they turned into collabs. What the fuck is wrong with you? I wanted Pomu only experience, so of course I would tune into streams which don't mention other livers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:30:26 2023 No.58926442 >>58926321 Japan

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:30:32 2023 No.58926445 >>58926321 They've all been in Japan recording something, something that will inevitably be canned because NijiEN management is incompetent.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:31:27 2023 No.58926468 >>58926321 Vox is busy deleting 11% of his channel and apologizing for not being able to help Selen despite being co-organizer. Mysta is gone. I'm not sure if others can even be considered popular.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:31:53 2023 No.58926478 >>58926420 >so of course I would tune into streams which don't mention other livers. You're never going to get that from any corpo vtuber, even in Hololive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:32:30 2023 No.58926499 >>58926201 basically they have to walk trough the chink girls male fans minefields carefully, step by step

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:32:45 2023 No.58926508 >>58926478 You're retarded beyond belief. Majority of Holos don't mention male streamers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:33:02 2023 No.58926520 >>58926478 pretty sure he was implying "male livers"

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:34:06 2023 No.58926569 Cannibalism, too many new talents in too little time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:34:16 2023 No.58926583 >>58926445 Ah, I see, the dreaded Japan arc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:34:36 2023 No.58926595 >>58926508 >other livers >>OTHER LIVERS Where is the word "male" in that? I await your next goalpost move.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:34:44 2023 No.58926603 >wanted to improve damage >got 300k dps >lost 600 hp This doesnt feel worth it

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:35:30 2023 No.58926633 >>58926595 Follow the conversation you retarded ape. Click the backlinks before opening your stupid mouth.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:39:55 2023 No.58926815 >>58907312 >>58922485 >>58923124 >>58923376 Didn't many of them outright publicly celebrate when Zaion got canned?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:42:30 2023 No.58926907 Not saying Zaion wasn't treated like shit but she still might be around if she didn't try to keep her old Genshin account despite being told no multiple times.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:45:35 2023 No.58927023

>>58926815
Not really
Kotoka said she "can't wish her good luck" and cried about how they were so close in a private member stream
Ver said he respected her as a content creator but was kind of asking for it
Hex cried about how he was a sexual abuse victim and her joke made him uncomfortable
Doppio said nothing
No one ever knows what Meloco is saying

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:46:57 2023 No.58927090 >>58907667 *Nina

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:47:58 2023 No.58927141 >>58922563 Yeah, me.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:48:44 2023 No.58927172

>>58926201
>completely forgetting her initial purpose
But she didn't though? She destroyed Uki's wall, moved the camels through, rebuilt the wall (to the best of her ability), and continued on? All in the span of, what, 10 minutes? Don't act like she totally dropped her "initial purpose" and went on to talk about Uki for the rest of the stream.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:49:16 2023 No.58927195 Look at how many replies I got for calling you guys out for being flips. Kek. You can't even hide your identity it follows you around like the stench of the gutter you ate from this morning

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:50:29 2023 No.58927257

>>58907079
Damn. Sucks to suck. All out war!
They got WAY too cocky with their "private" discord conversations about how hololive was failing and how glad they all are to be in nijisanji.
If they cared about their fans, they'd have more viewers. Too bad they're all retarded and don't care about their fans.
All niji livers need to be reminded of how retarded they are. I'd love to superchat each and every one of them the words "all out war" to ensure they and their fans know how utterly retarded they are, but they don't deserve a cent of my money. Fuck them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:52:14 2023 No.58927337 File: 39 KB, 193x184, 1686566069118407.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>58927257 this has all the subtlety of a brick you're not fooling anyone Nijisister

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:56:06 2023 No.58927488 >>58907117 FPBP Enna, Nina and Reimu killed Niji EN and never looked back.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:57:33 2023 No.58927544 >>58926196 Not that anon but I remember Maria's first month was fucking dead air she had to make a bunch of noises cuz she didn't know how to stream add apex or stardew to that that and it was dreadful

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:58:54 2023 No.58927594 simps are hypocrites so when the cuckathon happened, they slowly started leaving after their initial high from owning le parasocial fucks

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:05:17 2023 No.58927847

>>58907752
>Part of it is the insane frequency of ad-hoc collabs.
Came here to say this, I completely stopped watching the two nijis that I did like due to the fact that during one point in time it seemed like 70% of all streams ended up with some other person joining.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:05:24 2023 No.58927852 >>58924628 Hammer the truth until sister accept to thow away their desilusion. Same as YWNBAW, there is no other way than repeat it until it enter retard brain.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:05:51 2023 No.58927872

>>58926907
To be fair if you hired a Genshin streamer what the hell did you expect, nobody's gonna watch the 1029474th "starting Genshin from scratch" stream
>>58927023
Hex played the sexual assault survivor card then used a dildo asset in a sex dungeon background right after...I got whiplash from that

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:06:44 2023 No.58927910 >>58923739 >PL doxx absolutely murdered her potential unicorns. QRD?

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:10:20 2023 No.58928074

>>58910837
>>58913587
>>58914285
>>58923476
Fucking short-term memory retards or shitposters
I can't tell so here is a reminder that Nina was a massive bitch
https://web.archive.org/web/20220809112641/https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DHArN7OPA2VG8K3VxLq-AOCr4LGi8ajH6RC_lPrMhjY/edit

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:11:03 2023 No.58928095 >>58928074 >a document made by ESL Nijisister antis lol lemao

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:11:59 2023 No.58928139 >>58927910 Just that she has a boyfriend, nothing to different from some of the HoloENs.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:16:44 2023 No.58928346

>>58926196
Also her single digit (or was it teen digit, don't remember) rice purity score. She is way too normalfag to be a vtuber, you can't see her as anything other than a bandwagon hopping rando nobody hoping for a get rich quick scheme by pretending to be something she 100,000% is not. You can say most Western vtubers post-Holo Myth are that but when it is so crystal clear for this one and there is no ambiguity, it is hard to care for her at all and hard to feel good or bad for her either way. I wouldn't blame or hate her for existing, plenty of people like her are out there, I more of blame management for hiring people like her (and kyo, really most of iluna as a whole) to entangle her in such a mess.

Even so regardless of her being in danger of becoming the first official nijiEN 2view, she probably still gets by with membership income and whatever hyper dumbass saviorfag whales she might have to justify continuing. IIRC she actually made good money at least when she was new, staggeringly so actually, failing upward to success so to speak.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:18:53 2023 No.58928439 I dont understand the narrative of Nina being one of the good ones, she was the biggest Luxiem shill and basically the puppet master for the constant mixed gender offpakos that plague nijisanji

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:27:20 2023 No.58928777 >>58927172 I turned off the stream then. Faggot didn't deserve anything more than a passing mention.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:28:49 2023 No.58928848 >>58907696 This seems like the most realistic explanation.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:32:12 2023 No.58928991

>>58928074
>nijisister hates her
Yeah, that confirms she must have been great and better person than everybody else.
I love how the doc finishes with
>it's possible to misinterpret one comment she made years ago as potentially insulting to muslim women
Am i supposed to feel angry at her? Because it isn't working.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:32:27 2023 No.58929008 >>58909061 holy fucking cope do your own reps mariafag

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:33:00 2023 No.58929030

Daily reminder that a total of 2 people in en work jobs and one is an unpaid internship and the other chooses to work because she had to work hard to get the job she was at and didn't feel like quitting.
EN members make upwards of 40k a month before taxes and even the lowest viewers members can afford to drop 15k on projects.

Even yagoo himself says ccv is irrelevant but flips have no other means to judge success and get angry when you point this out

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:37:21 2023 No.58929243 >>58928777 Based. Uki is the worst faggot to ever grace NijiEN. Anyone wasting even a second of stream time to talk to, with, or about that faggot is getting closed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:41:02 2023 No.58929441 >>58928439 They didn’t watch her before she started choking on luxiem “my precious boys” dick. So they never saw her turn into a retarded whore.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:42:55 2023 No.58929537 >>58907079 I heard something about Ironmouse having a daughter?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:43:51 2023 No.58929583 >>58927488 >Nina killed NijiEN based anti-revisionist

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:44:35 2023 No.58929617

Just gonna drop my 2 cents here. The numbercuck faunafaggot has been seething at nijisanji for almost 2 years now. Making daily hate threads and ban evading while crying to the jannies every day at /#/.

Looks like his mental health didn't do as well as they expected.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:44:38 2023 No.58929620 >>58929030 cope sis ignoring all the times you pretended like these numbers matter when luxiem was big and now they suddenly don't when they are flopping?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:45:41 2023 No.58929667 >>58929617 another nijisis cope

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:46:08 2023 No.58929691 >>58907079 You can only buy bots and support yourself on a Chinese fujos while throttling everyone you hire for so long until it goes belly up. Chasing short term profits has an alarming tendancy to not last for a long time

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:46:28 2023 No.58929712

>>58927872
Hex did the same that one male vtweeter did when he did a sneak diss post about Zaion. They claim “sexual assault survivor” shit but at the same time they still lewd themselves heavily for money. I don’t get it.
And it’s not like they’re actual sex workers or something that had issues in the past and it’s sort of all they know, they’re just dudes with vtuber avatars that mostly let their fans do the hard work via fanart.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:47:42 2023 No.58929784 >>58929667 >cope For what? I'm just telling it like it is lol. Why don't you cope my balls in your mouth lmao

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:49:01 2023 No.58929856

>>58929617
>Just gonna drop my 2 cents here. The numbercuck faunafaggot has been seething at nijisanji for almost 2 years now. Making daily hate threads and ban evading while crying to the jannies every day at /#/.
Numbertranny mental health in shambles
Everyone else thriving

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:57:15 2023 No.58930236 >>58907079 ethyria. yes, nina included.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 19:04:12 2023 No.58930557

>>58926907
>>58927872
Yeah that was fucking stupid. Early Genshin is just doing 100 hours of dialogue reading. Zaion, already knowing everything about the story, wouldn't have been able to give as exciting reactions as someone new. Her strength was in being actually competent for standards of female streamer but you can't really show that before reaching endgame.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 19:09:59 2023 No.58930848

>>58929620
>points out that yagoo says CCV is irrelevant and niji is so successful that literally nobody in the branch has a second job that they don't want to work at
>"c-cope l-luxiem!!"
Holy insecurity. You're so pathetic I feel bad for you. I'll let you pretend you won though because I think bullying the mentally ill Filipinos is a bit too much

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 19:11:00 2023 No.58930892 >>58907079 Better question, how many threads do you think we've had asking this exact same question over and over?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 19:12:12 2023 No.58930945 Quantity not quality

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 19:23:19 2023 No.58931490

Ethyria was a mistake
Luxiem/Noctyx was good for temporary noombers but the chinese female audience it brought in was a mistake
Elira's clique got out of control
Then Lazudya started jobbing.
The corp is cancer and doesn't even let them keep play buttons
Basically burn it all down except Pomu and Selen

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 19:26:37 2023 No.58931649 >>58930848 Adding "even" at the end isn't "point out" you ESL monkey.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 19:28:53 2023 No.58931775

NijiEN management is the cause of the decline.
If the relationship between Zaion and management was that bad, a normal termination, like they did with Yugo was expected.
They pandered to an audience that does not exist. More than 3M people read Zaion's story.... Where are those millions? They aren't watching Sayu, they aren't watching Niji...
They keep losing fans in favor of people that dont even watch streams.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 19:30:48 2023 No.58931872 >>58931490 And Rosemi

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 19:38:35 2023 No.58932270

>>58907079
Personally I think part of the problem, was that Niji was shit at instilling a red thread that ran through all the streamers, while not clamping down on bullying and unprofessional behavior. It ended up feeling like a loose assortment of indie streamer cliques instead of a whole thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 19:44:07 2023 No.58932568 >>58931649 NTA but what did you even mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 19:50:23 2023 No.58932903 File: 67 KB, 621x594, ll.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>58929030 so true sister

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 19:54:36 2023 No.58933084
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>>58908015
iLuna was mega hyped because it was since Eythira NijiEN FINALLY was able to get more girls, and then new men for those fans and who they got were so damn underwhelming that it killed interest hard. iLuna got the most interest upon their debuts, then it went down the next wave, and further down the next. It is the wave that who ever was hiring just looked at subscription and CCV numbers and thought "yeah, this'll be good". Aia is annoying at best, Maria while cute plays it very safe and you can hardly say much notable about her outside her enjoyment in ancient torture methods and the like. Scarle had a terrible debut with tech problems and she wasn't much of a gamer outside of chick stuff like Twisted Wonderland and her streams are huge dono milking which turns people off. Aster had silent gamer seethe and tended to be silent in his gaming streams for a long time and is probably has the weakest zatsu of the wave. Ren is kinda there, a chill guy, but just does what he wants when it comes to content or if he wants to stream or not. I don't think I need to talk about Kyo.

There are other factors as well such as the announcement of AR Live which shouldn't have been done or have been followed through which stripped even more hype off of the flop of iLuna, then how unambitious Luxiem is. What Vox says doesn't matter as much to other Luxiem members so him flip flopping didn't matter because it was the whole wave that just coasted without doing too much for their fans.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 19:57:16 2023 No.58933216 >>58925816 This is correct, but she is being shipped with Wilson now, so...

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 20:03:54 2023 No.58933546 File: 1.70 MB, 1784x935, Last 3 nijigens v last hologen.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>58933084 >iLuna got the most interest upon their debuts, then it went down the next wave, and further down the next wew

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 20:11:44 2023 No.58933868

I will never understand Nijien’s culture of everyone invading each other’s streams whenever they want. I don’t agree with how Vox’s fans treated Reimu but at the same time why the fuck does she think it’s ok to just barge into THAT type of stream? Why does Luca think it’s ok to barge into a comfy Pomu stream with his obnoxious “pOOoOoOoOoOg” bullshit?

I just don’t understand who likes that sort of thing. Surprise collabs can be great depending on the game being played but it can’t be too frequent or the charm and novelty wears off extremely quickly. I’m not going to watch a streamer if I have to worry about every stream turning into a sausage fest

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 20:15:18 2023 No.58934030

>>58933868
It was great when it was Lazusydia, it was one of the strong points of Niji EN actually and probably influenced other EN vtubers as well. But with mixed genders it doesn't fly well at all. They've gotten better with it but it's too late for that.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 20:18:33 2023 No.58934207

>>58933868
The constant peeping between streams was well-received initially in the Lazusydia days, because it made the girls seem more genuinely friendly and nice to each other when at the time, keep in mind the only comparison was Myth and they generally didn't show up in each others' chat as much past the early days because Kiara/Mori were totally different timezones and Ina usually streamed outside Ame/Gura hours and that was it.

However yes as time went on it really makes no sense for people to not read the atmosphere and just come barge into streams no matter what else is going on, the fucking apex of this was Reimu barging into Vox's stream during a very very literal BFE e-date stream and this girl just pops in and cuts to the head of the line and distracts Vox for real vs all the chat there for him. There were many similar levels of faux pas but that was the worst one and kind of signaled the beginning of the end of Luxiem's seemingly unstoppable presence. Considering the huge diversity of audiences there for totally different reasons I would ahve thought someone somewhere would have at least fucking advised "remember, Vox's fans are there for him and probably did not get into NijiEN for cute girls, you don't actually add much to their streams by showing up and won't get a lot of their fans by throwing yourself in their path." Apparently not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 20:18:57 2023 No.58934225 >>58911897 And Pekora too

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 20:19:54 2023 No.58934272 It's such a shame that NijiEN has become this weird thing. I really enjoyed them as an alternative to Hololive for the first 2-3 waves. Something about that was just comfy, but then Luxiem happened and that all got ruined

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 20:26:00 2023 No.58934619

>>58934272
They went from being a Holo alternative (hololike if you will) to seemingly styling themselves as the anti-Hololive or bizarro Hololive. I'd say the actual Niji experience is really somewhere in between, you have a healthy element of nijiJP girls who really don't talk with the dudes much (or basically at all, even) and are fine being that way for years and years, nobody gives them shit or shames them for it etc. With nijiEN it's like all or nothing, you join it, you will be forced to put up with the dudes coming and being pests all the time and you have to sit there and smile even if you think it's hurting your bottom line.

It's some kind of rich irony that in some managers' fucking subhuman zeal to force ethics/sjw shit into the mix basically thinking a male audience doesn't deserve cute girls just being cute with no thumbs being stuck in their eyes, they gave the males way too much power and dominance and what is normally a female-dominated space became basically slaves to the males.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 20:26:12 2023 No.58934627

>>58934272
NijiEN was starting to fall off during Ethyria because they were too close to HoloEN. Ethyria was doing worse than the previous 2 debuts.

If it wasn't for Luxiem being the Myth of NijiEN by being the first big corpo men group, NijiEN would have just rotten and gotten absorbed by the main branch like ID and KR. Luxiem was the rejuvenation the branch needed, but also led to management doing the worst decisions by focusing hard on Luxiem and neglecting every other wave or just trying to make every wave copy Luxiem, which failed spectacularly with Iluna. HORRIBLE pre-debut cringe, godawful debuts that killed the hype for new waves and hiring people that aren't streamers or interested in vtuber or even japanese culture.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 20:30:41 2023 No.58934898 NijiEN spamming terrible coop games/collabs everyday certainly doesn't help If you don't like some people they become a turnoff

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 20:35:10 2023 No.58935166

>>58907696
>the chinks left to chinese-knockoff versions of LuxNoc, fujos moved on to their next seasonal BL pairings, kpopsisters moved on to the next kpop group, and twittersisters don't watch streams to being with, so LuxNoc numbers dropped like a fucking rock.
So, I agree with all this, but who in the ENsphere is there for male vtubers to pander to that won't fall off?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 20:37:08 2023 No.58935288 >>58928346 I was already turned off by her from her pre-debut sjw tweets but I never would have expected that it would get even worse with the rice purity shit. That really killed all my interest in the rest of NijiEN really

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 20:46:18 2023 No.58935684 >>58907117 >first post >is best post HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 20:54:22 2023 No.58936024 >>58920664 it's not 2020 anymore

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 20:58:18 2023 No.58936172 >>58920664 youtube hates hololive wtf are you talking about?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:01:53 2023 No.58936329 >>58928991 Imagine being at rock bottom for so long you unironically start licking the ass of a woke commie bitch like this anon. Sad. >>58928095 What point is wrong? Exactly. Keep deflecting cuck

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:06:41 2023 No.58936543 >>58907865 >Thr guys abandon the fanbase they cultivated Yeah, I feel like this isn't mentioned enough kek. Why the fuck would they stay after being told they're not wanted?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:08:28 2023 No.58936620 >>58936172 No? I'm not subbed to any Holos nor do I watch Holo streams, yet I see Holo clips and even waiting rooms right on my Youtube homepage.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:14:04 2023 No.58936810 >>58934619 >Unicorning Niji Why do people do this? Males have been a thing in Niji since forever, if you were watching Niji and got burnt by male collabs, what were you expecting?

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:16:52 2023 No.58936933

>>58926321
Lmao
>Vox helps Selen with her tournament only to piss off the day before the practice for no reason and tells her to do it herself
>Ike has only streamed for 1/3 of the year because he's tired of streaming and his audience of women
>Shu LOATHES his fanbase of women and streams even less than Ike does, especially for solo content without women collabing with him
>Mysta graduated
>Luca is streaming as always but he's a fucking coomer who won't stop flirting with his co-workers and forcing himself in everywhere
>Alban has the Korean fever, but he works hard at his JP reps so whatever
>Sonny is normal but clearly hates his fanbase of women, though to a lesser degree than Luxiem
>Uki doesn't fucking stream except when he feels like it 2 times a week, takes constant breaks
>Fulgur is normal, and has a healthy relationship with his chat, but he's no singer nor can he do 3D streams because of physical disabilities. Hard for him to grow an audience

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:19:37 2023 No.58937055

>>58933084
Funny thing about Scarle - she gave all that shit up. She never talks about the shit she actually likes, as in yume/fujo shit. It's all fawning over Tempus boys at best now, and doing whatever she can do appeal to her male audience for money. She never does collabs and if she does accept collabs, she'll drop out at the last minute

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:20:05 2023 No.58937075 >>58934627 It probably means nothing too but, Iluna's debut song was mid as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:22:25 2023 No.58937171 >>58907696 Yup. NijiEN fell apart because Riku let it pander to the types of people Yagoo knew to avoid.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:22:37 2023 No.58937180

>>58935166
Luxiem have essentially told their fanbase of women to fuck off, Noctyx deals with theirs without saying much but they don't pander to them besides Uki being an unprofessional manwhore who management can't tardwrangle without getting a call out post on Twitter. The fanbase of Luxiem left because of them being unprofessional manwhores for their co-workers, or straight up not wanting that audience to begin with because they expected their audience to be male viewers like other vtubers (they did no research on this job beforehand)

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:24:39 2023 No.58937259 >>58907079 Ethyria was when the first bell tolled and Luxiem was the final bell. It was never the same after that.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:26:36 2023 No.58937323
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>>58936810
no one's unicorning niji you fucking retard
there's just an atmosphere when things are women only that you can never replicate no matter how many hormones the men are on
People would also be more receptive to the men if they were actually talented and funny instead of just being the first ones on the scene and adored by people who don't even know English
People aren't unicorns for NijiEN and you shouldn't have to be labeled one to find men hijacking streams unpleasant

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:26:42 2023 No.58937327 >>58936933 >Luca is streaming as always but he's a fucking coomer who won't stop flirting with his co-workers and forcing himself in everywhere the last time luca collabed with one of the EN girls was 4 months ago

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:27:09 2023 No.58937338 They hired a bunch of Vtweeters but only bothered to tardwrangle the first 2 waves

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:28:30 2023 No.58937387

>>58937180
>Gets the most stereotypical otome designs possible
>Surprised that a majority of their fanbase are psycho fujoshis that wants to cut the fingernails of any girl that goes near them
Don't have extremely basic anime reps, you get what you fucking deserve

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:28:49 2023 No.58937396 >>58907752 lol, nice analogy. Vtubers think they want audiences that "will accept anything" until they realize that those same people will happily leave you for the next hot thing (or anything really) because they have no commitment whatsoever.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:28:53 2023 No.58937397 Also yes anyone still using Luca as an example of how NijiEN sucks and how men are always inviting themselves has horribly outdated information. It's mostly Shu now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:30:43 2023 No.58937458 >>58929617 >numbercuck faunafaggot Explain?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:32:03 2023 No.58937503 >>58937327 4 months is a drop in the bucket. Actual progress is if he stops after a year.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:32:41 2023 No.58937527 >>58937458 /nijien/ are paranoid and retarded and this resulted in them thinking that everyone with a negative opinion of certain talents or the company is LITERALLY the same person

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:35:46 2023 No.58937649 >>58937527 Sounds just like that one sapling that thinks everyone who talks badly about Fauna is a person from that one place that sounds like a Star Wars planet.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:36:00 2023 No.58937663

>>58936620
That happens in the other direction too. I get recommended Nijis all the time despite only watching Hololive. I think jewtube just has both companies tagged as "vtubers" and assume anyone who's interested in one will be interested in the other.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:36:50 2023 No.58937698 >>58933084 I still can't believe Tempus was humiliated because of their shit designs at the time Iluna debuted, and still got a better reputation in the end, even with the two graduations.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:36:59 2023 No.58937706 >>58926815 I'm pretty sure enna made it about herself too. I really loved zaion's avatar. She was the cutest of her gen and she really used her rigging well, what an absolute waste.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:40:53 2023 No.58937903 >>58937706 That model was pure sex, let's see how her new one is.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:41:03 2023 No.58937916

>>58937323
>We aren't unicorning Niji
>Proceeds to bitch about males interacting with women
Anyone who was ever a fan of Niji at any point doesn't care about any of this, especially since even glancing at NijiEN's videos its really not hard to find content without males in it. Pomu literally just did a collab with Selen like a day ago, Elira just had a Valorant collab with multiple women and no males, Rosemi has a collab with Selen tonight as well. Anyone who thinks Niji only does male collabs gets all of their knowledge of them from catalog bait threads. Theres plenty of reasons to bitch about Niji, muh males probably wouldn't even make the top 10.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:42:10 2023 No.58937959 >>58920576 >reimu >great model First time I've heard anyone say that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:42:12 2023 No.58937961 >>58907079 turns out that perhaps you shouldn't treat your viewers like literal garbage or they might leave. who could have fucking known?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:43:49 2023 No.58938031 >>58937649 There are daily Fauna anti threads in the catalog all referencing the same thing. It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:44:15 2023 No.58938053 >>58936620 i don't believe you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:45:55 2023 No.58938126 >>58937916 when the men in question are garbage entertainers that spoil solo streams you don't have to be a unicorn to be upset with that

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:49:39 2023 No.58938278 File: 303 KB, 1352x449, youtube.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>58938053 This is my top row on my Youtube homepage. I'm not subscribed nor do I even watch Fauna.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:55:36 2023 No.58938545

Can someone explain to me this "inviting themselves into a stream" shit to me?
Do they literally just enter a call with them and then just orbit the entire time like an awkward dude that just spotted Love Live cosplayers at a con? Or do they join in and start flirting the entire time and the entire chat becomes the third wheel?
Only time i've ever experienced this was with Selen and Ike in her Sonic stream but Selen was entertaining enough that I didn't really notice Ike at all.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 22:01:55 2023 No.58938812

>>58934207
>Considering the huge diversity of audiences there for totally different reasons I would have thought someone somewhere
Niji managers are the lowest of mouth breathing numbertards. They don't see demographics or atmosphere they only see line go up.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 22:02:18 2023 No.58938833

>>58938545
they don't even flirt, the girls are just dumb and have open VC for some streams and the guys will obliviously wander in once in a great while
Like Elira was playing minecraft once but VC was open and Luca invited himself
or they needed a 5th for valorant so Uki invited himself
it doesn't happen often and Luca basically quit doing it but it happens enough that male viewers are constantly on their toes

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 22:03:29 2023 No.58938886

>>58938545
>Do they literally just enter a call with them and then just orbit the entire time like an awkward dude that just spotted Love Live cosplayers at a con? Or do they join in and start flirting the entire time and the entire chat becomes the third wheel?
It's both depending on the configuration and it basically always sucks

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 22:04:25 2023 No.58938925 >>58938278 nice inspect element

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 22:12:39 2023 No.58939309 I don't actually think I've ever seen flirting from the guys though, only shit like Reimu being tsundere for Vox or Meloco complimenting Luca's ass

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 22:14:18 2023 No.58939373 >>58937397 >horribly outdated information that's because they let when that information was up to date

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 22:17:55 2023 No.58939533 >>58907079 EN vtubing declining in general and new competition coming in. Theres just so many good options now and less viewers to go around.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 22:19:23 2023 No.58939607 >>58907117 Then dont watch Ethyria if you dont like them? Makes no sense it would be bring down an entire branch, this is just unicorns trying to feel validated.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 22:27:17 2023 No.58940029

>>58908390
This is a bit of my observation too. Early on, EN management seemed to have a good relationship with the talent and were reasonably competent, such as the time they discovered that Pomu was a fan of Beat Mario and decided to prank her by sneaking him into a LazuLight collab stream. But, if the ZaionDoc is anything to go by (along with the occasional biting comment with ongoing members, like Selen), management has gone downhill hard. To me, it sounds like the branch expanded faster than management did, leading to managers having too many talents to keep track of and/or not enough experience to do so.

It wouldn't surprise me if that's the leading cause behind branch morale dropping, not just with day-to-day matters, but big mishandlings such as with the concert delay/cancellation, the mishandling of Zaion and Yugo (not just with them getting fired, but the question if they should've been hired in the first place), Selen wrestling to run her costume contest and tournaments they way she wants, etc. Background issues like that ended up reflecting in the talent themselves, which killed a bit of viewership.

That's just wild speculation on the back-end of things. There are, of course, issues beyond management that other many other anons have brought up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 22:27:27 2023 No.58940037 >>58939607 Holofags have been bitching about Myth for ages but somehow they decided that watching other members that they actually liked was a good solution, weird how that works.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 22:29:16 2023 No.58940109 >>58926138 I missed this. What was or is #cut4hex

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 22:35:09 2023 No.58940408

>>58908698
This is a big one for me. I'm just tired of seeing new gens in such short spans of time. For a while, I was interested in giving each new member a fair shot to understand their quirks and interests, and to see how well they lined up with me, but I stopped caring with iLuna and just refocused my viewership to only Pomu and Nina (dropped to solely Pomu for obvious reasons) and don't have much of a desire to get to know anyone else.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 22:38:13 2023 No.58940551 >>58940109 Can NijiEN be fixed? Are they unfixable?

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 23:32:27 2023 No.58943214
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>>58934627
>that aren't streamers or interested in vtuber or even japanese culture
Scarle and Marin both are into Japanese culture. Just different sides of it. Marin more on the idol side while Scarle being VNs and hot boys.

Of the first two waves I'd say the biggest Japanophile would be Petra since she learned Japanese for VNs, watched Nijis, is into anime, and now moved to Japan to go to school in Japan. Then you look at Finana which she's mostly into Japanese stuff through mostly hentai and a little anime and FFIVX. Then Selen is probably the least interested in Japanese media. Of course you know initial impressions about two years ago with most people disliking Petra and liking Selen so being into Japanese media or culture doesn't matter to the audience. None the less there will be that audience rift with a girl talking about media geared for them to an audience of guys.

Anonymous Thu Sep 21 00:01:20 2023 No.58944786

>>58923739
>>Has this weird thing where she's an experienced slut but wants to be a nerd too, no one buys it.
You can be both, but Aia is still a very surface-level nerd, considering her dedication to being a D&DCasual. Last I saw of her, she never acknowledged any other TTRPG; don't know if that's changed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 00:02:58 2023 No.58944860 >>58914189 I was convinced this was a joke at first until I looked it up, what an insecure faggot holy kek

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 00:09:32 2023 No.58945183 >>58909747 Corpo vtubing* is dying in the west Indies are inclining

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 00:13:18 2023 No.58945387 >>58907079 Too much ""ACCELERATE" screwed them over, it just hasten vtuber fatigue. They will end up like NijiJP, where the top dogs are the early gens and the new gens get shit for viewership.

Anonymous Thu Sep 21 00:15:22 2023 No.58945510

>>58907117
Have to disagree, although you could argue it was the inflexion point the change in dynamics wasn't the entire issue, it shifted demographics from male oriented to be female oriented and they did get a monopoly in that front, the real issue was poor execution as they not only managed to scare off most of the male fans but they managed to somehow lose a big chunk of the female fans later, blowing up their 2 biggest columns, then constant drama eroded what they had left and the leaks about the internal workings will lower the quantity and quality of their future applicants for a while.
Trying to pin everything on a single gen is just not correct when it was a combination of factors, and there were a lot of factors, a lot, coming from every side, the organs, the fans even management played a role with their black corp cartoon villian shenanigans

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 00:16:08 2023 No.58945558 Did Niji ruin EN vtubing for everyone? Constantly a source of drama which will turn people off chuubas and constant acceleration saturating the market.

Anonymous Thu Sep 21 00:21:24 2023 No.58945823
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>>58907079
on top of everything other anons have said
EN vtubing IS declining as a whole
I wonder if there's a way to make vtubers popular again, they still are in Japan
Technology is only getting better and becoming a vtuber is easier than ever before, so I'm sure someone will come up with an interesting idea, a good twist, or whatever, maybe Meta will save vtubers (that project is dead but you never know maybe a competition will take over but I'm sure VR will be a thing in the near future)
years ago I was hopping the future was going to be something like Summer Wars, but we're still not there

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 00:21:36 2023 No.58945835 >>58945558 Ruined it for male vtubers because everyone thinks they're just gross coomers and the only audience they can hope to get is female ones

Anonymous Thu Sep 21 00:24:33 2023 No.58945997

>>58945558
I personally got into vtubers thanks to Korone and Fubuki, I was tired of politics, drama, and Twitch streamers being... twitch streamers
but now vtubers are just that
that's why I love the fact that holos don't talk about politics and that's why I hate when Shiori talks about "inclusive pronouns", not because I hate trannies, let them be happy I don't care but let's not bring up that shit here and please avoid politics altogether

Anonymous Thu Sep 21 00:30:23 2023 No.58946332

>>58945558
Nah, Im still having fun watching them. But my interest in NijiEN has almost entirely declined, mostly around May in the wake of the 2% leaks. It became hard to rationalize supporting the company, which sucks since Rosemi and Selen can still inspire joy.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 01:00:58 2023 No.58948370 >>58946470 grim

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 01:07:20 2023 No.58948904 >>58940109 Some dumb chink bitch cut Hex's name into her arm and posted a picture on Twitter, I don't have a screenshot of it though

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 01:07:43 2023 No.58948933 sped up 2 hard

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