Has Hololive gotten too big?

[Anonymous No.]

>Company has gone public
>Purchased a massive studio where, despite the size, is still booked heavily
>No more small tight knit community
>All the members are extremely busy
>Gen 4 and prior all got in before the boom

I think this explains why many members have felt so lackluster within the past 1-2 years, there has just been such a massive change in the expectations/structure of Hololive compared to how it was originally.

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>>58812372
Gen3—Gen4 period was the golden age

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I'm sure she feels sore about being able to afford an unlimited number of dildos

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>>58812372
We should have gatekept harder. Like it or not, the downfall started with EN.

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>>58812372
They should get rid of EN branch and just get staff to add subtitles to JP streams, EOP tourists would leave since they can't read subtitles.

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>>58812372
Too many corporate obligations. It feels like all the notable events are corporate sponsorships or yabs.

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>>58812372
smok still has the original vibe. it might be the oldest collab group thats still active. id agree with you if you were basically saying its oversatulated

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>>58812942
I think that's because those members are actually adults, like in their 30s and even 40s. So they have much more life experience and stuff compared to alot of these younger members who are still in their 20s.

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>>58812372
>>Purchased a massive studio where, despite the size, is still booked heavily
Isn't the problem the lack of staff that knows how to use the equipment? They can build it up over time.

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>>58813013
But how long is that going to take, also seems retarded to buy/build the whole studio and then only after try getting the positions filled. Logic would dictate hiring people prior, but its like now they are desperately trying to fill roles in within an industry that is already pretty niche and probably aren't gonna get much only looking inward towards Japan

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>>58813013
>>58813247
Also the studio is just one fucking big room
Of course its booked to shit. It's literally one room for a company of what, 80 talents?

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>>58813434
Uh no, its literally an entire building bro. Its more than just 1 studio room, they have everything there in a massive building. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIZAtsyaIc8

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>>58812995
age doesnt matter, activity and continuation matter. fa ms trpg collab had the very good og vibe too, you can see nothing like that now,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgp7sD2Ieec&ab_channel=%E3%83%95%E3%83%96%E3%82%ADCh%E3%80%82%E7%99%BD%E4%B8%8A%E3%83%95%E3%83%96%E3%82%AD

but they havent had a collab since then, a few years ago. other than smok, all old groups are gone. mikkorone seems to be also dying.

chama, aqua, and shion just dont have any long standing group anymore.

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>>58812995
>>58812942
Nostalgia aside, Bakatare (Circus) is the best haggy group of that kind.

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>>58812372
Noel misses Ru...

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>>58814339
WHOshia?

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>>58812372
it was too big years ago, that's why coco split

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>>58812677
Hololive's rapid growth started before EN. The groundwork was already done by Coco and no amount of gatekeeping would've prevented the downfall.

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>>58812372
Yes, I thought that was pretty obvious.

[Anonymous No.]

Advent doesn't even feel like Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

The old timers for sure, but gen 3/4 probably experienced the biggest shift since Hololive was still small time when they joined, and within less than a year they became synonymous with Vtubers around the globe, so maybe a few members who only joined with the expectation of being a streamer don't like being thrusted into the limelight all of a sudden. With the newer gens like HoloX and Advent, they already have the expectation adjusted so they know what's in the game prior to joining.

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Gen 3/4 era was the best for me. Maybe I am getting old, but am I the only one who just doesn't "trust" the newer gens? Like I feel like everything is calculated and not authentic.

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>>58814339
She should have graduated in protest.

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The usual streams are still fine, but I really miss the old janky 3D streams. Nowadays every 3D stream is a fancy prerecorded song and dance or some cringe inducing skit.

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>>58812372
>I miss pimping myself out to simps for top dollar without anyone doxxing me
>Now I can't even grind my dildo to pulp on my RM because everyone will narc
Interesting take Noel...

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>>58815260
that's not necessarily a bad thing
I think Fuwamocco and Bijou definitely feel like Hololive, Nerissa will adapt
Shiori is a special case, she's different and she didn't know much about Hololive but from what I've seen on twitter she's very supportive of her genmates, senpais, and kouhais

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>>58812372
>Company has gone public
copmany was already public on the domestic japanese stock market (no internationals allowed to purchase shares) back in 2019 when they originally IPO'd. the release of additional shares recently was less than 1% of the total stock and only used to fund the 3D studio.

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>>58812372
too big no too corporate yes
if 2017-2021 era hololive was punk rock "were loud and bringing the noise era" then 2022-2023 era hololive is watered down rehearsed with no passion corporate disney kids pop. The most edgy and cool thing to come out of hololive thats a glimps of what it once was is advent.

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>>58817853
>2021 era hololive was punk rock "were loud and bringing the noise era"
lol no that ended mid 2020 with EN. You're just extending it to 2021 because you want to include EN.

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>>58818100
>that ended mid 2020
This guy says the truth, but it's not really just EN. Permissions arc, Coco in general and Taiwan arc were all big drivers of the change in how involved management is in the content.

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>>58815260
Advent feels like Hololive to me. They adopted much faster than council did.

REGLOSS are the ones who feel out of place.

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>>58812372
Don't use this clip to shitpost, but I feel like there are other things wrong with the new studio and such
>no collabs done out of the girls will, now done out of mandate and/or sponsorship (i miss those karaoke streams)
>studio is constantly overbooked and some members haven't gotten their anniversary lives (Ayame, Subaru, Choco)
>flanderization of members from crappy memes
>EN fans being more of a nuisance with their lack of devotion
>In the case of Sankisei and Yonkisei, members who graduated.

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>>58812942
I like almost any group that Okayu or Subaru show up in, but Bakatare Circus, Yakamashi Musume (Lamy/Noel/Korone/Marine), and Kanaken are pretty good groups. Problem is that some groups aren't that good now. I'm getting tired of Shiraken not because of the members, but because of micomet being pushed every time.

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>>58812774
The best streams this year are almost all organized by the girls, yet the big events don't pack the same punch.

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>>58815783
>am I the only one who just doesn't "trust" the newer gens?
I feel that way too. I became skeptical of new members only chasing the big brand name and not actually being fans of Hololive or even understanding what had drawn in the fans in the first place.

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>>58822433
I think holoX is all very caring of hololive, but that fear comes from Laplus and only her. ReGloss honestly is pretty good, but I await how they react to their senpais. I guess Shiori is the only EN fear but she's fine since she knows hololive.

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>>58822433
You'll get one bad apple every ten good ones.
I'd say as we have been moving forward, Cover is more aware of how prestige their brand is and chuubas who want to get into Hololive know more how valuable the chance is.

Results? Yes, "clout chasers" as some would put it definitely comes knocking more, but also passionate fans and people seriously who want to elevate their career.

Out of the "newer" JP gens, HoloX and ReGloss, only Laplus so far has proven a bad pick. All 5 Advent girls are solid in terms of professionalism, 2 of them are clearly the most idol-oriented EN Holos yet.

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>>58812372
True. ENwhores and ENiggers didn't exist back then and Hololive were much much better for it. It's so fucking tragic.

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post kino collabs that make you feel good inside and want to go back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hHPk-mZCUY
https://www.youtube.com/live/x29gb4f_sow?si=RlaBjxh1yThiORxs
https://www.youtube.com/live/RwYoTVGA9Nk?si=zTHnkoufquiUaqmi
https://www.youtube.com/live/rbkjVA6Fjh0?si=va_2UJF1GeA8ZbnX
https://www.youtube.com/live/DxM6r45238Q?si=VcmjmpJf5I3-FF_V

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>>58823559
Laplus still is a super solid pick even with her flaky nature. Just wish she wasn't so bad as a streamer

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When important people fom 2,3 and even 4gen graduates, Hololive is gonna die. No one is interested in these cold members. They dont understand the soul of holo, they just want money and attention.

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>>58824565
the Game Shop Maruyama series are probably the only corporate collabs i know that still managed to have a SOVL. i miss that fat fuck hag.

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>>58818561
>They adopted much faster than council did.
I agree with this.

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>>58827236
Disagree. Polka, Lamy, Lui, Koyori, Kiara have been working within and contributing their part to the Hololive network.
Obviously anyone's gonna aim for something of themselves, numbers or money, but them being involved means they can carry the torch if one day it's come down to that.

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>>58828825
I think Polka and Lamy are pretty strong as members.

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>>58812372
Noel just feels kinda lonely since Flare left her and Shuba rarely acknowledges her existence. Other member don't express their interest in her oppai like before

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>>58823559
>Out of the "newer" JP gens, HoloX and ReGloss, only Laplus so far has proven a bad pick.
Over half of them are just bottom tier fodder that are "just there" and contribute something relevant maybe every 3-4 months.

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>>58818561
>REGLOSS are the ones who feel out of place
EOP moment

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>>58812372
Yes it's too big now. I just want the girls to stream and do idol stuff occasionally, like for holofes, but now cover asks them to do more idol shit like blue journey, the collab with honeyworks, holo27, etc, im glad the girls have fun cause most of them do like idol stuff but i wish this didnt make them so busy and unable to stream sometimes, plus there's the potential burnout that can come from doing a lot of activities
flare also recently said hololive is growing which means more work to do and big collabs so all the holos are too busy

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>>58828825
Koyori and polka maybe, the rest seems reaaally weak.

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I would like to go back to having the marine that made various streams a week, instead of the marine that spends all day in a studio making 3847 recordings for useless projects for the company or other talents.
I want to see her playing non-sponsored games.

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>>58830192
I believe that's more on her being quite a "for everyone" talent and a workaholic.
Completely agree that the literal most valuable Hololive girl shouldn't be tied down by standard projects like main channel content or blue journey or even HoloGra.
About streaming more, who knows. I think Marine herself is very satisfied with how her music career has been going and, if she would be given more free time, might prefer to invest further into it rather than more streams.
I mean, if we get 5 less Marine Minecraft a month but get a Bishoujo Pirate every 6 months, wouldn't that be great for her and everyone else?

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>>58812372
ogey

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Anything that gets popular invariably dies a slow and painful death without dignity. The best thing you can hope for as a fan is that it never gets popular in the first place or dies with a bang.

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>>58812548
This, it was the golden age of their streaming careers.
Nowadays, its the golden age of their careers in events/concerts.

the good streams nowadays are the ones where the girls are the organizers.

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>>58812372
Cover needs to purchase the JAV pool

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>>58812603
>sore
Haha I get it.

[Anonymous No.]

I think the focus on studio work and concerts has gone a bit too far recently, the girls are always so busy that they don't have time to do more organic collabs and make freeform content as much. I'd be happier if they had concerts max 2-3 times a year and tone down the 3d birthday lives etc. Look at Advent and Regloss right now they just stream and the audience loves it.

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>>58819544
>studio is constantly overbooked and some members haven't gotten their anniversary lives >Ayame
She doesn't stream anyways.

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>>58812372
They are just way haggier than before, so naturally they miss more youthful and energetic days.

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>>58840252
Noel is hardly at that age yet. She's just being an adorable sentimental idiot.
Well, not like there's nothing beautiful about Hololive today, just that it's not the same as a more endearing time.

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vtubing was always for newfags

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>>58840252
As time passes the average age of Holomen continue to go up. Every year a new hag is christened.
The whole organization just gets hotter and hotter, I can't take it.

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>>58840399
Obviously it will never be the same, just like anything you get into. Grass is always greener etc.
Because when you just started and you are new and everything else is new.

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>>58829510
>Flare left her
lol
>Subaru rarely acknowledges her existence
what the shit is this one

Noel literally got sentimental about hololive since this was her 4th anniversary stream. EOP moment.

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>>58839907
Pretty much. I love the concerts and big events, but ffs we have had way too many this year. Scale it back. Polka's bedtime stream was golden yesterday.

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>>58814276
You now realize that flare pol (+ random watame) late night Minecraft was 2 years ago

[Anonymous No.]

I blame Suisei.

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>>58812372
The China yab scared the absolute shit out of Cover and fucked them up to this day, reminder they have to submit all their non-gaming/zatsu streams to a content council for approval beforehand because of it

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>>58812372
Myth really just feels like the last glance at talents that Holo took in before they basically became the leaders of the industry for me. I love the newer gens too, don't get me wrong, but there's just something so different between them and the other EN gens. Same thing with JP5 and any JP gen beyond them, something just changed after summer 2020 in terms of hires.

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>>58818561
>REGLOSS are the ones who feel out of place.
That's because they aren't Hololive.

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>>58818561
>REGLOSS are the ones who feel out of place.
No shit? They're put in different branch and will be isolated from the rest of the company for at least 1 month if not more.

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>>58840399
>Noel is hardly at that age yet
She literally a couple years away from being a hag

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>>58812372
It's mostly just that Hololive has lost its novelty and that streaming is something that easily becomes repetitive and stale both for the viewer and the streamer.* Hololive becoming too big just feels like a reality-avoiding excuse to me.
*This of course can be alleviated by the streamer having a shtick with a long lifespan and being able to evolve your shtick, having a lot of interesting thoughts on a wide range on topics, life experience, switching up your content etc.

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>>58839907
this reminds me of what just Biboo said on her last stream when she was reading superchats, she mentioned they want the weekly Advent collabs to happen as much as they can, since eventually they'll become busier until they can't find time anymore to do them, and she wants to cherish these times before the eventuality comes. the fact that she's even saying it means they're aware on what they'll face once they get their 3D debuts.

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>>58812372
If hololive didn't grow as big as they are today, there's a great possibility that they become irrelevant, and many members would have left for greener pastures.
Change and eventual downfall is inevitable, so just enjoy the wild ride while it's still here.

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>>58846602
Yeah, I mean, look at CouncilRyS these past few months. They barely stream with how busy they are.

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>>58846811
Busy with what exactly

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>>58846829
I'm assuming that they are busy with the 3D showcases

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>zoomers experience nostalgia for the first time
Wow, 4 years. Almost a lifetime ago, right?

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>>58846866
A thing that takes a single day to record?

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>>58846895
We don't know that anon.

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>>58846895
Stop noticing things. Just consume.

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>>58846783
This. People could benefit from accepting the transient nature of the world. It's like Korone said, nothing lasts forever.

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>>58846911
Why would it be any different with them compared to JP? .

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>>58812372
Few things indicate that way, but my biggest complaint is how some groups or units are just corporate mandates.
Also just want to point this out, the studio still isn't at its actual peak efficiency, lack of staff. This might be outdated as I heard it months ago.

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>>58846895
It definitely takes more days to record. Also, they don't live in Japan and the trip takes a while. Then there's other projects they also have to do while they're already there. (Like Fauna recorded the song with Nene and the others obviously.)
Just don't blame the talent for being "lazy". Everyone hates the no streams Japan arc, but it's on management.

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>>58846960
Because they don't live in Japan and don't speak japanese you fucking retard

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>>58846994
>Like Fauna recorded the song with Nene and the others obviously
Do you think everyone goes to studio for that or something lmao? Girls record covers for songs in their homes usually.
And what other projects, people talk about bunch of projects but nothing ever comes out that would warrant weeks of no stream.

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>>58846994
To be frank, if Fauna doesn't stream today I'm gonna be pissed. I think even Mumei streams more than her lately.

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>>58846994
According to Kaela, it's just absolutely busy two or three days a week, but those three days are completely booked from morning to midnight.
Remember, Kaela can't send her holomie package to Kronii because by the time she's finished everything(meeting and recording) on that busy day, it's already midnight.

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>>58847081
Do you even know how long it takes to complete a project?

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>>58847081
Most girls aren't set up to properly record at home. Streaming with a mic is one thing, but recording audio is completely different.

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>>58846887
Considering what happened the past 4 years, yes.
The world was very different 4 years ago.

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>>58812372
Hololive is slowly becoming more of an idol company than a streaming company. All the hours that girls used towards streaming are being used towards other projects.

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>enjoyed a lot of the stuff early on with Myth since they weren't in a lot of the concerts/shit that required a lot of time investments
>'rona ends so now they're pulled into shit
>cover starts pushing a lot of voice packs and other time-investment shit
>stream frequency dies down
inb4 someone tells me it's not a lot of time or somesuch thing
clearly it must be if several streamers cut back on their hours/complain/etc. If it was just 1 or 2, sure, they're whining, but with it being a great many, I assume the behind-the-scenes stuff is excessive. Which, I get it, projects and concerts are cool and all, but the time investment vs return spectacle is shit IMO.

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>>58847520
>He ignores Koyori's monstrous streaming hours

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>>58812677
Nha IMO it was thrash taste collab. EN COULD have been right.

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>>58812372
If you think growth is depressing, imagine degrowth.
Imagine giving up of stuff you used to be able to do. Losing money, losing fans, doing less concerts, less songs.
Yay, your schedule is empty, you have plenty of time playing games and doing nothing.

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>>58847520
That mostly applies to EN or girls who didn't stream a lot in the first place.

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The COVID era of lockdowns and being indooors all day is over. So naturally, less streams.
The people that still stream most of the time are going to be the streamers you should watch more. The ones that stopped likely never had their heart in streaming long term in the first place. Sounds cold, but it's true.
This isn't just with vtubers either, it's with streamers in general. A lot of people who started streaming during COVID are stopping now because simply put, they couldn't hack it in that lifestyle everyday, whereas the ones who started long before them are still going at it.
That's why you have half of Myth and Council that barely ever stream and another half that are still at it nearly everyday. Same applies to JP Gens but not as much.

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everything that gets too popular turns to shit.

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>>58847520
Good. The idol activities are vital for making Hololive stand out in the vtuber market and now that they have the opportunity to make more concerts happen, they should do so. What was bad in recent times was the problems with Z-aN and scheduling the Splash Party concerts and the Blue Journey live back to back which strained both talents and fans, but with a more careful scheduling, said strain can be avoided and we'll have new content every season basically.

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>name field thread
Yep, it's that faggot

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>>58847326
I know you're referring to Covid but it really didn't change that much at the end of the day.

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Like it or hate it, you can't stop the passage of time.

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>>58847164
>Remember, Kaela can't send her holomie package to Kronii
Why are Kaela fans like this? Very few people have the spare time to watch every last minute of her streams. Almost nobody will understand what you're talking about.

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>>58848894
If you don't work, yeah sure.

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>>58826114
She was a terrible hire

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>>58812372
Success has consequences.
Also, lol@this board complaining about new people being "lackluster" despite spending most of the year whinging NEW PEOPLE WHEN!? constantly.

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>>58837319
That's not always true.

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>>58819544
>things in my head

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>>58845894
None of these steamers are in or near their 60s or beyond, faggot.
You losers need to give the "anyone legal is a hag" faggotry a rest.

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>>58848098
>people who have to touch grass now and then aren't interested in streaming
Lol. Lmao even. Faggots like you need to just accept that 'chuubas are people and not content generating bots.

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>>58812372
>gone public
And nothing really changed, since only a minor part of the company was put to be sold to the market, so Yagoo still keeps over 50% of the company.
>heavily booked studios
The studio is understaffed, they aren't working at 100% capacity yet.
>small knit community
It literally stopped being true in gen 3 onwards.

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>>58848918
Wish I could. Everything in my life has gone sharply downhill over the past 9 years and it's awful seeing something you used to enjoy gradually become a shell of itself.

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Before gen4, everyone joined because of passion
After gen4, they exploded in popularity so the ones applying to the company were mostly looking for the clout

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>>58827628
Did it get discontinued for low viewership? In comparison to Levergacha anyways.

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>>58842686
>2 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-O1kgaVP9M

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>>58839907
this is so true. we had such a long arc of EN in Japan this year, and I don't think the concerts really were worth the time. Cover still doesn't understand that even if they're in JP they need to stream. Not everyone is a Kaela. They're popular because they streamed. No one would know about them if they had never streamed.
And it doesn't matter what it was like before. That's over. Look forward in life.

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>>58846895
Kronii's took months to write.

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>>58852344
So Cover should force them to stream?

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>>58852396
yes, shock collars and no food until they stream.

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>>58848939
>Almost nobody will understand what you're talking about.
Holomie is Indomie, and yes it is one of the best instant noodle in the planet. No matter if you're JP or EN, they get addicted. And HoloID always bought a crate or two (each with 40 packs) with them to Japan.

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>>58815783
japanese? yes. HoloX and Regloss are too clean.
Advent is good because i trust shiori.

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You can tell business are good and there's baseless doomposting like this.

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>>58853156
I mean, the real concern is they actually need more people. But it's not dramatic enough for shitposters to say "Cover is severely understaffed".

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>>58812372
Nijicope

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>>58812372
No.

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>>58812372
Hololive peaked with Gen 5. The only other gens that come close are prime Gen 3 and Gamers.

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>>58846811
En girls don't stream because they are lazy and complacent. Don't confuse them with actual busy JP members.

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>>58848532
>Le market
>Le content
>Le e-girls playing mediocre idols

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Cover is forgetting about what made Hololive so popular. No, it wasn't paid concerts and shill campaigns. Nobody pays for that shit because any of them are good singers or dancers, they pay for it because they grew attached to them through their streams. Which Cover and some of the girls seem to be forgetting. But when someone like Ayame can abandon her fans and still come back and have money thrown at her, it's only going to get worse.

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>>58812372
Same...
Back in the days Holomems would meet each other in the studio more often
Now it's endless projects
Corpo always suck people's soul

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Holos should have maybe 3 big concert events a year. Anniversary, birthday, and FES. MAYBE a side project if they want it/can handle it but honestly Bloom, Blue Journey, and all the rest of that similar shit kinda flopped, wasn't shilled well, and frankly I didn't give a shit about it. Splash Party was nice because swimsuits but overall, the amount of time and effort ratio to finished product is ungodly lopsided. Same with cover songs vs karaokes. Rissa is burning her fucking voice out doing so many cover songs, meanwhile Fuwamoco and Shiori have done more karaokes than the singer of their gen. As >>58856626 said, people watch the singer because they are attached to them, not because they are a great singer. Suisei was a fucking terrible singer when she started out and even now she's really good, but people aren't watching her cause she's the best singer ever.

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I'm sitting here watching my oshi slowly turn into nothing but a corporate mascot who takes every project that Cover throws at her while her streams suffer and it really hurts. But if you express that anywhere you get blocked/banned/shit on, even here. Shit sucks.

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>>58827628
Why did they stop that series anyway? Although I know it's basically a shilling collab, but I really like the series
Never miss a single episode

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>>58839907
Time to shit on Cover

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>>58857070
Because it was a collaboration with Kyodo television and the workload put Marine out of commission for regular hololive activities and eventually the show itself as well.
They most likely did not want to continue doing it with a different cast.

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>>58857187
Not gonna work. The amount of people who would gladly let Holo girls never stream again if it got in the way of their projects far outnumber people who actually want regular content.

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>>58812372
This is genuinely the best thread on the board right now and I can't thank you enough for starting it, OP

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>>58812687
this
Cover should've just developed a real-time translator that adds english captions to the stream

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>>58815260
I feel this way too but I can't put my finger on what it is that makes it feel "un-hololive"

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>>58853156
I don't think OP's post was denying how well they're doing from a business perspective. On the contrary, it's about how doing too good as a business is making things lose their shine.

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>>58828825
>Kiara
lol
lmao

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one of my biggest regrets is not getting into hololive when it was at its peak
all thats left for me now is do my reps on the glory days and wish i had a time machine

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>>58853007
It's more about the phrasing. Starting your sentence with "remember" implies that your audience has been informed already. It's like saying:
>Remember, I did my laundry two hours ago.
You can't assume people in a random catalog thread will know about these things, so just skip the "remember" next time.

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>>58857613
People like you will always live in the past because you're too stupid to appreciate the present.
In two years time, you will think back on 2023 as "the good old days" and wonder where the time went.

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>>58857885
its not that
im a newfag and ive been told nothing short of fairytales about how good hololive was before my time

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>>58853156
And I can tell you are a retard who needs to do his reading comprehension reps

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>>58812372
All the holos I used to watch every day I could (Miko, Towa, Haachama, Fubuki) have changed so much or they simply do not stream as much nowadays so I only watch them a couple times per week. I think Miko and Towa are on a semi-hiatus from streaming at the moment, Haachama has been missing for months and I still think Fubuki's new model looks more uncanny than cute compared to her previous look so I only leave her streams on background. I miss the days when I could look forward to watching new streams almost every day.

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>>58812372
Dumb management decisions
Incompetence
Wasting talent's time with projects that fans don't care about
Ruining projects that fans do want to see, etc.
They are also overstaffed in some areas and understaffed in others.
Complete mismanagement.

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>>58858646
>Ruining projects that fans do want to see, etc.
Hololive Alternative

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>>58851254
No, they went on a "seasonal break" due to Marine getting sick and then ended "season 2" as soon as it began for the same reason.

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>>58858692
They never exactly made it out to be an anime; it’s been short manga strips as seen by the yamato fantasy and whatever the choco/mel/shion/towa thing is called

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>>58858524
It's really a shame with Miko because all of her streams are great. But now that she's the Tokyo Ambassador and Cover's new mascot she gets thrown into every single shill campaign and project they have. She barely has time to stream these days and when she does it's just the same rotation of stuff because she also has no time to plan things out.

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>>58858732
>They never exactly made it out to be an anime
Exactly
My only hope is HoloEarth and that shit hasn't been updated since the demo concert

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>>58848532
Anon I still like seeing them stream. You need a happy medium to make people enjoy members.

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>>58849657
I'd argue that Laplus is a member who is very good yet childish. She's okay when she plays into comedy, and her banter is top notch. Again, less FPS bullshit. We essentially just have a younger Towa on our hands, just less nasally with her voice.

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>>58859082
He's talking about doxxfag drama

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>>58859153
who fucking cares about that shit

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>>58858743
Miko is basically in a cycle of "do events" or "do shiraken" from what i've seen. 35P are great people and it sucks that they're just stretching Miko out thin. Hell, I sometimes forget that she's there at times because of these breaks that cover gives her.

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reminder that this is all haachama's fault

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>>58859223
It's been getting more and more obvious ever since the summer. A lot of 35P are acting blind to it and of course you can't say anything about it publicly so it's only going to get worse.

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>>58859011
That’s what the holobox is for, I think. I got pissed when HoloEN started stagnating, but ever since I’ve had Advent to watch, I’ve felt a lot more comfortable with being a tourist to people like Kronii. Like jfc I’m remembering how much she’s entertaining when it’s rare buff content and in low doses. Ideally, by the time Biboo is actually taking extended breaks there’ll be other people to tide me over.
It does suck, but then I remember that Kanata is my JP oshi in part due to her concerts, and I really can’t blame Cover for doing this.

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>>58859678
real

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>>58812372
everything and everyone you love will die. you'll either be around to see it or you'll die first.

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>>58812372
Busy doing WHAT? Nobody is fucking streaming.

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>>58863302
? there are lots of streams.

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>>58860809
Kronii is someone that really gets the worst rap from this board. #'s retards love to shitpost with the males, but even with that she got bullied over crap collabs.

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>>58846895
Found the nigga who has never created content. Bitch, a group of friends and I took fucking hours, almost a day in real time to make a dumb stupid abridget parody for the birthday of another friend, and that was doing it semi seriously.
Can't even fucking imagine how things are in their recordings over there at cover with dumb their logistic decisions go.

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>>58813434
>It's literally one room for a company of what, 80 talents?
Imagine being in that room.

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>>58846895
genuinely end your life nijinigger

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>>58846895
Nothing will ever take a single day to record. Even the most mundane voice recording can take hours.

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>>58847081
>Girls record covers for songs in their homes usually.
Are the people here actually this daft and out of touch about how all this shit works?

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>too big

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>>58856626
>Cover is forgetting about what made Hololive so popular. No, it wasn't paid concerts and shill campaigns.
Cover is suffering the fate of most companies where profit maximization becomes their only concern. The Hololive brand name is used to get fans to pay hundreds of dollars on merch and paywall concerts. Good for corporate profits but the shilling makes Hololive feel like an imitation of Disney.

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>>58864992
where do they record them?

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>>58856626
>But when someone like Ayame can abandon her fans and still come back and have money thrown at her, it's only going to get worse.
Do you member Ayame anon?

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>>58856971
you aren't a true fan if you don't sit and take it happily like a good boy!

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>>58847612
Oshi issue
She has the time to stream, she just doesn't want to, and the BTS work is her excuse

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>>58866539
You know when you have this game you kinda wanna play but too lazy to click on it to launch and get invested into it today, I feel like same with streaming for some holomems, and they just procrastinate till the end of times.

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>>58857926
Nostalgiafags are the worst kind of stupid and you'd be better off not taking them so seriously

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>>58864992
They literally talk about it. Of course, not every talent has the gear to record, but many of them already have a decent enough setup for their streaming.

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>>58865973
nta but yes im membered
the lack of streams doesn’t bother me too much because i have another oshi and my kami-oshi who both stream very frequently

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>>58864992
Are you?

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I think a bigger issue with hololive getting large are the ways that the company panders to overseas fans. That's become a bigger problem. Yes I like holoEN, but when you mix them and JP, you get events that don't exactly feel the best. Umisea is the best example of this btw.

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The JP branch is at the maximum size it can reasonably be without fucking up the atmosphere, I think. The "problem" is there's no natural attrition due to members aging out like in regular idol groups, they can all keep doing this basically forever, so it's impossible to organically bring in new blood without them growing too big.

EN on the other hand is both too big (in PDT) and not big enough (in every other time slot). They all stream on top of each other fighting for what is honestly not a huge audience of NA vtuber fans while neglecting the rest of the world.

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>>58872988
>The JP branch is at the maximum size it can reasonably be without fucking up the atmosphere
EN and ID are fucking up the atmosphere already.

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>>58872988
EN has been fine, i dunno what you mean. Unless you want them to shift the schedule around.

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>>58874281
That's exactly what I mean, yes. EN's schedule was more spread out in 2020 with 5 members than it is now in 2023 with 15. Look at today - they have no streams until an unusually late Kiara stream at 7PM EDT, then 2 hours after that, 5 people at the same time.

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>>58874645
Its really just Bijou and Nerissa IIRC. but that EU timeslot just sits there abandoned.

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Thanks for making this thread, it really does feel like hololive has turned into a very sterile corporate Disney McDonald's style company now, 10000 sponsors collabs ads and mandated game collabs, maximize profit only type of stuff. It's getting boring, I enjoyed the girls having fun streaming games they wanted to play and collabing with their friends. Oh and the company is getting too oversaturated now like idk how many gens do they think they can release before ppl stop giving a fuck... As others in the thread said, maybe I'm just a nostalgiafag dreaming of the good ole days of vtubing.

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designated nijishill shitting thread

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>>58874673
All of Advent plus Bae are streaming at the same time. It's not like earlier times don't work, either, the peak daily viewership for English streams in general happens dead in the mdidle of the period holoEN ignores.

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>>58814730
>The groundwork was already done by Coco
Coco was one thing out of many. Before her, it was Haato speaking English. Before that, it was Fubuki doing meme covers. Before that, it was Miko playing GTA. Before that, it was translated clips

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>>58812548
2020 before myth and leading up to myth was absolute Kino

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>>58874992
I have issues when you start seeing the sponsorship stuff overtake the solid foundation. I like idol stuff: I don't like the big event to holosummer being a glorified shill bingo of all our sponsors.

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I just think they could space out Gens more overall. Advent and ReGloss should've had 3 to 4 month gaps in between despite being separate branches

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>>58874992
Holo Summer being a glorified 3D live with overly long MC segments to push each day to 90 minutes. Blue Journey being barely an hour long. miComet original song being just a paid collaboration with Weiss Schwarz. It's becoming increasingly obvious that nothing is being made for the fans any more.

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>>58874992
Tbf what can you even do about this? I feel like the japanese will watch anything as long as their Oshi is part of it

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>>58875583
It's been proven that Holo members can ghost their fans and treat them like absolute trash and still come back to huge fanfare and superchats. There are too many fans who tell the girls to stop streaming for a week when they get even a tiny headache. It's only going to get worse.

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>>58875472
>miComet original song being just a paid collaboration with Weiss Schwarz.
I forgot they had an orisong

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>>58875907
Because it hasn't been uploaded to YouTube or shilled. Because Weiss Schwarz paid for it and it belongs to them so they can use it for their own purposes.

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There's fundamentally no replicating what old hololive was within the framework of current hololive. The whole reason people saw 2019-20 as the "golden age" is JP went through the whole idol journey, from amateurs with a few hundred viewers to topping the charts and selling out the biggest venues in Japan.
Now, every new gen debuts to 50-100K viewers, gets 3D in 6 months, and shows up in the next holofes in front of 6000 people. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it is not, and never can be, the same as it was.

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>>58876285
And nearly everyone else has more polish than the others. We will never have another Subaru or Noel or Luna or even Flare.

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What an annoying thread. Nobody here has any idea what they're talking about at all. I was a founding employee of an accountancy firm that has grown to become the largest in the UK. We went from a core 30 members to now employing 500+. There's always an inner circle of 'oldies' in a company like this. What Danchou is expressing has absolutely nothing to do with anything of Cover's practises or Holo EN or anything. It's just growth. That's it. Growth. It happens to any company that starts small and grows big and I know freom my experience dealing with the same exactly what Noel is talking about. Nothing would've stopped it. I'm not saying the things that people are complaining about aren't valid either, but it's just entirely seperate and unrelated to the growth of a company. This was always going to happen and it will continue to happen. All you can do is embrace what new good is created and try to hold on to whatever remains of the old. Fundamentally, though Hololive either grows or dies. That's the only choice you get.

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>>58812372
Graduations are necesary, aqua, matsuri, laplus, Ayame, Shion, mío, Fubuki, Noel, suisei, marine, towa, lamy, lui, gura, kronni, and the rrat should quit and never come back

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It was all downhill after coc graduated

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>>58876451
>>58878484
>level-headed insight from oldfags juxtaposed to retarded dramatourist slop
/vt/ in a nutshell.

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>>58876451
Yes it was growth. I think this thread becoming "lol fuck cover" is not the intended discussion point, but rather how fast hololive has grown.

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>>58852382

Did she talk about this? Would be cool to hear more soon but it obviously took a fuckton of planning

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>>58879020
>level-headed insight from
Obvious cringe wall texto samefag

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>>58874645
>The day Kiara has to do a sponsor stream for U.S. Prime time also happens to be the same day Ina has to cancel and everyone in Advent starting at the same time
Not saying it's any better on a normal day but what are the odds.

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>>58881518
>what are the odds
Extremely high, it's basically only Kiara standing between EN and going 18 hours with no streams every day. holoID is unironically more of an international English branch than holoEN.

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>>58846895
tl;dr how to fix hololive according from this thread
>less mandated events and activities
>even less massive group concerts per year
thats it, the girls will just have to fullfill their streaming quotas on their own ideas. like digging a whole chunk in minecraft.

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>>58859689
It's slowly becoming not ogey anymore...
Migger seems like she has been pushing herself a bit too much
It's a dilemma...

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>>58874992
Recently, a part of me wished that Hololive shouldn't have become as big as it is...
Oh well, the IPO is a clear sign that Cover has sold its soul

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>>58876172
So no MV?

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>It's also part of the reason why in Mio's tarot reading, Sora said something along the line of "I'm conflicted about my goals and kinda don't like about where Hololive's direction in general is heading"

wanted to post this again from an archived thread weeks ago (note: it was related to holizontal)
when the daisenpai is saying something like 'i dont like the direction hololive is heading', thats really concerning to hear as a viewer

https://youtu.be/77ft8GAGq2w?t=2884

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>>58890545
im at least glad that...thing faded away, but it concerns me if they try to bring it back.

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>>58876285
It's not just a matter of the lack of idol journey process
Currently, Holomems are becoming money making machine

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>>58874992
I warned you about the IPO bro

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>>58812687
>EOP tourists would leave since they can't read subtitles

Stop projecting illiterateanon, everyone can read subs.

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>>58859678
hachama and ultimately coco were just scapegoats
if they never metioned taiwan, antis would have found another pretext very soon

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>>58890545
She didn't said that

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>>58881210
Anon was talking about that mindless shitpost made of randomly selected names, and how it was right next to a well constructed argument. That dissonance creates the ultimate /vt/ experience.

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>>58890798
Well even then, Sakamata takes the idol journey well

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>>58849873
>60s
Get the fuck out tourist.

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>>58812372
>I think this explains why many members have felt so lackluster within the past 1-2 years
And just like Holomems, schizos have been lackluster too
Haven't encountered any tulpa recently

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>>58812677
>he thinks he can influence monolithic japanese corporations
Got a few bridges up for sale and you sound like you could use a couple

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>>58848939
>Why are Kaela fans like Kaela?
kinda seems like you answered your own question there.

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>>58812372
>Has Hololive gotten too big?
You dont know what too big is if youre even asking that question

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>>58812372
Rushia leaving was the final yab but you guys never got that.

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>>58812372
>Company has gone public
stopped here, you already got everything covered

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I miss when they all poked fun at idols and it was a mere joke, a punchline.
Now it's their actual job that exhausts them so hard many of them have dropped streaming amounts drastically, others moderately.
Basically none of them past gen-3 signed up for this. Arguably even Gen4, hence Coco fucking off entirely.
Only some of them have the stamina, both physical and mental, to put up with all that extra work and streaming on top.
I don't see this going on much longer before more people drop out.

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>>58890545
She never says that. It's a really strange clip to watch, but I think the most you can say is she's trying to decide her activities.
>>58887047
the concert thing is obvious. that was their reason for not streaming for multiple weeks and in the end you get a 1-3hour event, often paid.

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>>58908940
>covered
Get it? COVERed

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>>58908611
no. Yagoo's graduation will be.

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>>58890545
I sure love when we have bait in JP clips!