Why are they declining so hard?

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Even Phase already overtook them nowadays

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>>58560910
Yeah
I don't see anyone from nijien can beat Pippa in CCV

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>>58561079
Pomu still pulls 2k ccv often

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>>58561131
Pippa gets 3k CCV consistently, sisters

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>>58560910
Maybe they're already tired of pee pee poo poo jokes

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viewers have debut fatigue and graduation fatigue at the same fucking time

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>>58560910
Sisters went back to kpop last I heard.

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>>58560910
>EN
more like NijiCN

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>>58560910
>Pomu talked to Selen all night after she did a collab with Lia.
Yeah I think they might have plans to join phase connect.

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>>58560910
Because one man made a "ya mom" joke

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>>58561982
Big if true
Anycolor doesn't deserve Pomu & Selen

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>>58560910
bad companies are not allowed to continue to succeed indefinitely. Even if they do have the proper funding. Phase is just doing better at growing, they still suck at a lot of things. AnyColor's real issue is being incompetent af and greedy.

And that's something to say considering phase is run by a greedy, no-risk-taking chinese carp

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>>58560910
Pi PI Pi

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>>58560910
>hate your fans
>keep making it clear how much you hate your fans at every opportunity
>don't take vtubing seriously
>people leave for other corps
"how could this be????"

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>>58560910
Fujos left after Vox's yab, Holorefugees went back to Hololive after Advent's debut

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>>58562471
this thread is about NijiEN hate, no HoloEN hate

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>>58562579
Reminder that Iluna had some of THE biggest vtuber debuts of all time and somehow ended up like this

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>>58562546
yes anon I'm aware, that's why I made that post
>>58562579
poor scarle

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>>58562471
vox...

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>>58562785
wow that's grim

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>>58562145
>phase is run by a greedy, no-risk-taking chinese carp
Carp is managing a fucking asylum, what kinda risk could he take that wouldn't blow up in his face when any of his talents spergs out.

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>>58562546
>so ture sis

https://youtu.be/VrPGNdw9ekg?si=FrbBtHMebmzjGoNh

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>>58562682
>poor scarle
Trust me, she enjoys small crowds and she locks up during raids on her

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>>58560910
Nasa from phase just finished streaming an hour streaming to 30 people
What drugs are you phasefaggots on that you see such halucinations as your shitty 2view company overtaking NijiEN?

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>>58563422
>smallest member of the corp who doesn't even stream in english had a small stream
holy shit bros phase connect is DEAD

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>>58560910
Their management is pure shit
>1 manager for wave/gen
>Managers have close to zero experience in the vtubers, talents or in any job
>Most of them are japanese or are JSL, so they are only available on japanese time
>That mean japanese business standards, endless of offline work and mails, for something that could take 5 min in a video call
>They barely promote them or spend money on publicity, for the NijiEN branch, the same goes for their merchandise
>All merchandise in Nijisanji is the same, zero originality
>No tech support at all, you have to pay for the games you streams
>Small motivation for streamers to take this as a main job, most end up looking it as part time job
>Most streamers are busy with other things and personal projects that don't have relation with NijiEN, because they can't see streaming as a real job
>They are always in the second place for opportunities, promos, events and collabs, JP first, then EN, lastly the rest of failed waves from IN and KR that barely exist
>Cancelled the first major event/concert of just NijiEN
>No 3D models, really weird guidelines for using 3D models at home for the only wave that have them that is lazulight
>No mods for their chats, no control for their chinese fans, no control for antis at all

This end up on mentally unstable streamers that hate streaming, hate their fans and hate their jobs.

Bonus reason
>They become the boogeyman from every retarded holo unicorn, specially here and in discord
>Gura didn't stream in a month, this is NijiEN fault
>They postpone a concert, this is NijiEN fault

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>>58563527
You dont watch anyone other than Pippa
Everyone else is borderline 2view/extremely low 3view besides Tenma

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>>58563305
>Trust me mysta enjoys hes fans

>>58562951

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>>58563461
Holy shit Pippa I kneel

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>>58561982
>Be Selen
>establish a huge gosling parasocial crowd as your content calling them your dragoons.
>talking about her past and current BFs that she offstream collabed getting easily caught few times resulting in multiple yabs. cant say the two names either on a selen thread(possibly here as well) or its an immediate ban from mass reporting even if its not IRL related. But stream related.

I will take just Pomu, Sakanas hands are already full with tard wrangling and adding Selen wont help him even if they are both Zhangs. I dont even want any of her unicorn dragoon audience in /pcg/ that are more cancerous than chum buds.

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>>58562655
There's a reason why Iluna is generally seen as the milestone for when NijiEN started to fall apart.

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>>58563590
Thats not to mention their viewbotting
Lumi averages 200 ccv on youtube but when she is viewbotting on twitch she gets double or triple that

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>>58563461
>>58563422
Pippa is doing alright when it come to numbers lately, 2-3k CCV, so brown people that use /#/ latch on her to shit on NijiEN, nothing new.

It could be someone from Idol, Tsunderia, Vshojo or any corp, but they would still use it to shitpost about NijiEN, because in their mind they are fighting some kind of war against some enemy, just schizo stuff that people without personal achievements do to feel a little more important, they make someone else victories and success theirs, like normalfags do with football teams.

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>>58563810
are you talking about this one? nipple man buying bot

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>>58563810
anon if you want to be a numberfag, the first thing you should know is that youtube and twitch count viewers differently
it's fine if you're retarded but please don't be THAT retarded

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>>58560910
Tempus stole some of their audience. It doesn't help that they also copy Tempus games like Zomboid.
Copy Tempus, get Tempus numbers.

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>>58562951
Damn, hate this bitch but honestly mentally ill female seems to be more vocal than their male counterpart

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>>58560910
>>58561079
>nobody calling out how ESL these posts are
For the sake of this board, PLEASE rangeban SEA. There are no downsides to this.

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Ah yes, I love it when shitposters pretend Pippa is all of Phase and that Pomu, Selen, Enna, all of Luxiem, etc aren't more popular than her. There's two Phasewhores streaming to less than 200 and 300 viewers right now btw.

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>>58563541
Pretty much this. Some of the talents also didnt help either by getting involved with drama or making fools out of themselves like with the Secret GC stream, and management should've stepped in far soon to reign in and help guide said talents instead of thinking that dramaviews would carry NijiEN forever. Even that doesn't really save TV shows either since few people subscribe to cable TV these days.

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>>58563541
>They barely promote them or spend money on publicity, for the NijiEN branch, the same goes for their merchandise
The main JP twitter is full of their garbage all the time and the JP store plasters them all over. I wonder how much of their revenue just comes from JOPs.

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Because Phase is better than them. Well, unless you're a woman from Asia

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>>58563461
She unironically has 4-5 unicorns or paypigs, the 1-2K per streams only on non-collabs and non-sponsored
Damn pippa, you can finally afford to fill in those copious cavities

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>>58565347
>unless you're a woman from Asia
most nijiEN fans are from West China

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>>58565184
Finana aster scarlet and aia also stream to 200

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>>58560910
holo fans are miserable lonely boomers with jobs paying to keep the loneliness at bay. nijiEN fans are twitch drama loving tweens with an attention spam just long enough for tik-tok. which do you think has more staying power anon?

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>>58560910
Im a fan of phase but this is pretty retarded. Other than Pippa, Niji either gets similar viewership or higher to Phase members, especially if you throw the Luxiem males in there who despite their decline still do better than all of Phase other than maybe Pippa again. You can’t really act like one corpo is mogging another because one standout member is particularly successful.

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>>58562858
he really need to hire 1 or 2 more tardwranglers, tenma cant be on this shit 24/7

>>58563810
>theres no way somebody can have more views on twitch when youtube is such a better platform!
Lumi's a twitch main, also they count raid views and theyre pretty frequent, youtube doesnt count redirect views.

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>>58565487
Aster is streaming to 400 right now and Scarle to 500. This is literally top tier viewership in Phase. Shiina, their third most popular talent barely gets 400 CCV on average. Not to mention Phase has actual 2views, so comparing the bottom to the bottom is even worse.

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>>58565487
Airi, Rie, and Remi also stream to like 200 or below

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>>58565870
The only real 2views in Phase are the JP talents which isn’t all that surprising with a mostly EN audience.

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>>58565851
>Lumi's a twitch main, also they count raid views and theyre pretty frequent, youtube doesnt count redirect views.
She must have the most disloyal fanbase in vtubing then

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>>58565870
lumi has 600+ CCV, but okay anon. it's funny that you need to lie in order to make an argument. that's very convincing stuff

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>>58565851
he did hire a couple more managers which is why things have continued to smooth out for them. it was earlier this year i think, they were given twitter accounts that they didn't use very much

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They should rename it to Pippa Connect 2bh.
>second most popular talent barely gets more views than Aia
>third one gets less
>both have much less sc in total
Seems Pippa's /pol/turd/kiwi audience is not interested in watching the rest of the company.

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>>58566483
Lia is also probably more popular than Shiina, she just doesn’t have nearly as many subs. Shiina is probably 5th place after Lia, Lumi, Tenma, and Pippa.

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>>58566716
Since when does Aia have 600 viewers? lmao what is this shit? Aia gets 200-300 most of the time

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>>58566979
playboard is garbage and shows inaccurate data all the time so people love to use it to shitpost

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>>58566032
the jp members didn't really try to grow much when I watched them. michiru went on a fromsoft binge that made me leave

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>>58566979
>>58567089
It's accurate. The stats include raids but she gets 300-500 most of the time, a little more than Shiina. Look at the VOD view difference.

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>>58560910
I like Pippa but every stream is exactly the same. Niji can rot in the trash.

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>>58560910
Can't speak for anyone else but personally just got sick of the constant cycle of my oshi being super parasocial and GFE one minute then inviting males on stream without warning and spiting her loving fans to own the incels the next
Being a NijiEN gachikoi is basically a form of emotional abuse

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>>58565347
Phase only has 3 non asians.

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>>58560910
They clearly need to educate themselves!

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>>58560910
It's what happens when you start a CN branch and remove the CN

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>>58567675
Keep sending her your money and it will get better

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>>58560910
Accepting grifter whores like Enna, Reimu and Millie. They are poisonous.

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>>58562785
I guess literally telling your fans to fuck off isn't good for business

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>>58560910
It became known they were having sex with each other

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>>58560910
>Why are they declining so hard?
management

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>>58562655
Scarle had an unbelievable amount of hype leading up to debut because of her model, when she finally opened her mouth you could not only hear her career dying but the entire hype around NijiEN as well.

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>>58564594
>There are no downsides to this.
Wrong, I cant laugh at them if they are banned.

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>>58560910
Novelty and production value is a big part of the EN market - covers, new waves, 3D streams/concerts - this highly produced content does a lot to distinguish the more well-resourced corporations from the smaller start-ups with no money. NijisanjiEN debuted during a period where a lot of that Hololive infrastructure was being worked through (recall the dearth of Hololive3D, the travel restrictions to Japan, and so on) with very slick production values for the time - a cover song for each wave; rapid-fire debuts, a watchalong program; heavy Twitter engagement. They proceeded to repeat this every 3-6 months with wave after successive wave - but the momentum has run out. The promised AR Live and future EN 3D debuts are nowhere in sight, and the production elements that once distinguished them have now been adopted by their competitors - not just Hololive but also the small corpos (for the overall better, IMO). NijiEN can't burn money indefinitely of course and individually no single small corpo is a threat, but I feel collectively they've had quite the impact.

Hololive retains the first place spot because they offer the big budget productions that remain unique to their situation, but currently many NijiEN streamers don't feel like they've got significantly more production resources available to them than the small corpo competitors (who are also becoming increasingly well resourced on their own).

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>>58560910
They lost the Mandate of Heaven back in 2021

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>>58563541
They do promote NijiEN but literally only in SEA

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>>58560910
Unless I've just been out of the loop, NijiEN haven't really fucked up in the past couple of weeks. I'm almost impressed.

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>>58561982
That would be fucking retarded.
Pomu should just keep applying to Hololive.
FuwaMoco got in because they never fucking gave up.

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>>58573151
On one hand I really want Pomu to make it to Holo but on the other hand she has built so much around the Pomu character that nothing else would ever be the same.

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>>58560910
Loss of enthusiasm

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>>58573151
Many people would say otherwise but just imagine if Pomu never got herself exposed to NijiEN's culture. All the reputation of being "Luca's cocksleeve" and a one-guyable menhera would be completely different if she chose hololive instead.

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>>58560910
Blame it for Niji Management
they troll they own Niji EN member
concert cancelled due virus lmao

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>>58562655
Aia's debut was the final nail in the coffin, and Scarle's debut was dousing the coffin with gasoline, setting it on fire, dropping it off a cliff, and then nuking said cliff.

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>>58560910
Pandered to normalfags and twittersisters who generally have no reason to stick around and spend money on anything for more than a week. (e.g. 100k ccv dropping to 0.5k a year later)
Well they also used to attract some group of actually profitable sisters too, the lonely and obsessive ones, but they ultimately drove them away because they are bunch of egotistic menheras who can't even do a fucking internet clown job while being showered with Chinkbucks.

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>>58560910
They pandered to twitter posters. Those motherfuckers don't even watch their streams lmao

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>>58567675
Same. It's so funny seeing their latest attempts to try to gain back some of their gachis.
Pushing for girls-only collabs (that blows up in their face often when they end up inviting a male anyways), finally pandering to the people that ship Selen and Pomu despite her being really against it in the beginning (she's just my bro guys!), letting Pomu do outside collabs with a small corpo (pomudachis are the ones that watch small corpos the most out of nijiEN fanbases).
I would have given a fuck about all these things a year ago. Too late now. I'll only look at Pomu's stuff if she's out of nijiEN.

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>>58576260
Does nobody in Niji actually fucking listen to the streamer's voice before hiring them? Is everyone in the company Japanese that can't even speak English and tell English voices apart? Some of the model-voice pairings they have are really incomprehensible.

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>>58567675
>>58577036
Same. I love Pomu but I'm not gonna touch her while she's in Niji EN. Too many bad memories.

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>>58560910
They though people would watch male Vtuber if they don't sell sex, but that thinking that a female fleshtuber would be watched for anything else than sex. Vtubing kinda reverse the content/sex ratio, so while female Vtuber can sell content instead of sex, male Vtuber can almost only sell sex instead of content.

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>>58560910
Reckless expansion

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>>58567675
>>58577036
>>58577389
Too weak to be actual idolfans.
/jp/ oldfags have stuck by their favorite idols no matter what, even while they were in actual black companies.

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>>58563774
I always thought Ethyria was the point where most people agreed the shark jump happened.

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>>58577493
The sad thing is that this is only really the case in the EN scene. It was never the case with Japanese male vtubers and it still isn't. But when Luxiem came out and put male EN vtubing on the map, they did it by being the biggest mansluts imaginable and basically set the expectation for future male EN vtubers that if they wanted to be successful, they'd have to whore themselves out, and talk about sucking and fucking dick. Hell, I remember a post about some random indie saying that he didn't even sexually pander to fags at all, but still got a bunch of comments from men who wanted to suck and fuck him. The male EN scene is truly royally fucked, and there's no saving it.

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>>58577588
Idols don't act like cumrags for retarded flippinos tho. Pomu dug her own grave. She wanted some of that Cumxiem chink pie and had no issue throwing away her gachi to get it.

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>>58560910
People just don't like watching talents they know are being exploited.

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>>58560910
Did they made 1.6 billion yen alone in the latest quater report? that is 1/4 of all holo made in a quater, can phase compalete with that?

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>>58562951
>antis want mysta to graduate
>mysta graduates
>vox: muh are you guys happy now?
yes? are you dumb vox?

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>>58563541
>and in discord
and you know this how?

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>>58565184
>Pomu, Selen, Enna, all of Luxiem
All 1k~2k shitters nowadays
Stop living in the past, sister

[Anonymous No.]

horrible culture, horrible fanbase, some horrible people among the streamers

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>>58562655
Then there was XSoleil. and the massive fails around that from "Diopio Dropscythe" to Zaion's blatant ouster.

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.

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>>58587711
>SEA bump from page 10

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>>58563541
Ethyria, Luxiem, and Noctyx all debuted in the span of about 6 months after Council debuted. Council has now been a part of three 3D events and have showcases coming up in the following weeks while those three gens have gotten nothing. In fact, by the end of this year Cover will have not only have given Myth, ID2, Council 3D showcases but also the first proper side branch 3D debut with ID3. This isn't funny anymore; what's going on over there?

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>>58561259
wow she's almost as relevant as zentreya

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>>58583486
in my head

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>>58589333
not bad for a hillbilly rabbit in a company run by a chinese guy with no people skills

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>>58577588
Being a cuck is nothing special
The market has no deficits of whores either, why can't you support them all?

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>>58573151
The ship has sailed for Luca's cocksleeve getting into Hololive, sisters. She might as well settle for phase