/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Quarterly report for Anycolor is out
NijiJP continues to expand rapidly. Nijisanji...only grows stronger.
https://ssl4.eir-parts.net/doc/5032/ir_material_for_fiscal_ym2/141697/00.pdf
https://ssl4.eir-parts.net/doc/5032/ir_material_for_fiscal_ym3/141698/00.pdf

[Anonymous No.]

Not in October?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58498184

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>>58498184
>invest in anycolor stocks
>support holo oshi with profit

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>>58498184
It must be JP right? All I here from EN is that numbers are way down, employee satisfaction is way down, many talents have left. Is Kuzuha and Mito carrying?

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>>58498184
nijiEN...........

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>>58498184
It only took one Mysta anti for NijiEN to tank its value despite debuting 3 gens.
The fuck is the management doing?

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>>58498805
NijiEN debuted only 1 gen this year anon..

>>58498542
NijiEN is down but surprisingly not as much as i thought

[Anonymous No.]

Holofags falseflagging operations chased away all the casual fans on EN side so they're basically fucked

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>>58498856
You are supposed to make more on Q1 than Q4
What was your expected offset?

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>>58499021
>hololive boogeyman
Tempus made nijis look bad and stole their pay pigs.

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>>58498805
Management is only there to take their cut and the play buttons, anonchama

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>>58498184
I never took economics. Someone explain to me why there are values up to Q1 2024. Are they projections?

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>>58499021
>Holofags falseflagging operations chased away all the casual fans on EN side so they're basically fucked

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>>58499275
I thought I was watching Phase Connect stats for a sec there

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>>58499231
yea

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>>58498184
How do they expect to almost double sales by next years? More voice packs?
Also NijiEN's future is looking grim.

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>>58499453
this is current numbers, it's how japan counts fiscal years

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>>58499453
Looking at the charts it appears that a large decrease in the revenue for en was due to a large amount of events taking place in the past while they've slowly tapered down events in en. Which makes sense since con season is largely over with and major events like 3ds still haven't happened.
If anycolor can get 3ds out and more actual events together then there's a good chance they'll earn more

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>>58499231
Not projections, they're fiscal years so they're counted weirdly.

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>>58498184
Surprisingly, a small drop with how little they promote EN since beginning of this year

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>>58499453
To be honest, it doesn't look too bad
I thought EN would be more fucked up, but it held up pretty well

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>>58498184
What's the point of joining EN?

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>>58499453
One of the heroes didn't debut after learning the situation in there
EN branch is dying

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>>58500055
>What's the point of joining EN?
having sex with the girls
except
>millie
>selen

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>>58498184
Correct me if I'm wrong but, if I understand this chart correctly.
Livestreaming is from superchats.
Promotion would be sponsorships.
Events would be things like Koshien?
And Commerce would be merch sales?
Is it explained in another part of the report what each source of revenue is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58500277
almost correct

livestreaming is for donations in general including SC, membership, etc
Events is for concerts
Commerc is merch and voice packs

[Anonymous No.]

>>58500277
pretty much, live streaming covers everything from streaming so also membership and ad revenue

[Anonymous No.]

>>58500055
work experience for when they join legit companies

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>>58500353
Concerts and other events in general such as conventions and meet and greets.
It'd also probably be stuff like 3d if they ever got that

[Anonymous No.]

>>58498184
Unfortunately the revenue has come at the price of talent satisfaction, and adequately supporting those talents with enough resources and management.

Nijisanji only cares about profit and this is their downfall in the long term, and why Hololive will only grow in relevance

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>>58500055
not sure what you mean by this NijiEN is bringing in 27% of covers total quarterly revenue. which is at face value 70K USD a month per talent in EN.
>inb4 2%

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>>58500055
Honest non shitpost answer
It's a lot of money

Even 3views in the company make enough money to pay rent and not work. There are a total of 2 people in the company who actually have jobs and one is an unpaid internship. The talents themselves have paid for several different projects that cost them several thousand dollars out of their own pocket but still make enough to where they know they'll earn back whatever they spent within a month or two.
You get free trips to Japan for work along with a free stay at a hotel where you're fed complimentary dinners and given a salary to shop with while you're there, provided that you're there for business purposes of course.
You do get pretty frequent sponsorships as well as opportunities you wouldn't otherwise, like for instance, Selen is literally being begged by twitch to show up IRL to an event they're hosting and has been invited to play test apex and even given early access to any EA games she desires. She can also host custom events for apex thanks to codes she has from EA.
Music producers and artists will beg to work with you and usually at less of a cost than normal since you boost them up by mentioning them. You get free outfits and eventually/assumably you'll eventually get a free 3d model as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>2% isn't even a meme, it really is their biggest profit margins
>no events to make money from
>supas down because your sweatshop employees tell you to buy their voice packs instead

Long live Riku!!!

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>>58499231
Fiscal years are typically denoted by end date, so since Anycolor's fiscal year is May to April, FY2024.4 is read as fiscal year ending in April 2024.

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>>58500055
It's easier than getting into Hololive or Vshojo and it might be preferable to 2 view indie hell.

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>>58500943
sound like Heaven

[Anonymous No.]

whats the pros and con
for joining nijiEN?

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>>58500943
Isn't that only for the older waves? The younger waves don't seem to be earning that much creed

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>>58501211
honestly kinda hard to fully say but EN does get shafted it seems if you care about outfits and 3d. But honestly it seems you can just cruise if you really want to till you're bored.

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>>58501050
There are still a lot of restrictions and management is slow and prioritizes the Japanese branch over the EN by far but for a lot of Indies it would be heaven. The amount of free shit you get for just being a part of it is pretty ridiculous.
>>58501238
No, even newer waves still make a lot of money. Aia has mentioned she paid off her student loans with her earnings from Niji, kotoka moved out of the slums in Japan to a nice place, the second to latest wave just got done with meet and greets this month and a lot of them still have the opportunity to participate in voice packs which some livers have said are worth more than a months worth of YouTube and streamlabs.
The most recent wave does not have anyone who works a job in it either. They get paid solely by being in nijisanji en.
Whether that will continue to be the case or not will remain to be seen.

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>>58501280
Outfits no, 3d yes.
Pomu, Rosemi, Selen, and Elira have 5 different outfits planned out already with 4 already made. Finana has 3 outfits with a 4th being decided on. Ethyria all have 2 outfits with an eventual 3rd being released probably this year and then for the boys luxiem have 2 outfits with the exception of Luca who has 3. Noctyx has 2 outfits.

It takes nearly a year if not a little more to get your first new outfit but after that you get outfits fairly regularly so long as the idea is allowed by management. Management has allegedly shot down the idea of bunny girl outfits unfortunately

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>>58498483
Didn't riku family buy some cover stock?

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>>58501397
>>58500943
pretty much
i have no idea why anyone can think they dont make money when they fund their own shit all the time, even some less popular ones. they forget 2% merch isnt every revenue source they have

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>>58499275
By the look of it, majority nijifan % probably in this board alone, kek

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>>58500055
opportunity
social media growth isn't really about consistency like posters like to make it out to be, it's about big splashy events that have the potential for virality, be it collabs or a successful single or a branch-wide event or even just a particularly big stream, and corporations offer far more access to those than slumming it as an indie hoping for a big break
each tenfold increase in viewer count as a streamer is its own level of difficulty, and joining a major corporation can immediately catapult you a tier
the security of an actual contract is a massive factor too, it's possible to make mid to long-term plans around that
yes, it's not the dream job, but perfect is the enemy of good and all that

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>>58500055
You can have sex with nijigirl for free, i mean didn't that what they said in that 4chan rp?

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>>58501535
ya but then you have Idios 6 months~ or so in debut getting outfits meanwhile iluna with nothing.

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>>58501852
Anycolor loves JP than overseas

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>>58499321
Phasefags have known for a long time that head-to-head, the average Phase member and average NijiEN member are practically equals. NijiEN is still stronger, but basically ONLY because they have so many members.

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>>58498184
Nice to know that Niji is still dominating Japan

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>>58500055
For now, it's still the second best choice after holo (hence the "holo reject" moniker)
Though certain small corpos and indies are "catching up" just due to declining popularity of niji EN and better contracts from the latter
Also technically mythic/vshojo would be better than niji, but you'd have no chance of joining them unless you're already a prominent twitch orbiter
Of course, if a girl had offers from both holo and niji, she'd be an utter retard if she rejected the holo offer

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>>58499321
phase connect can only dream of having 4views

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>>58502749
Small corpos have also backslid in the past few months.

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>>58498184
>barely any change on Livestreaming
>massive jump on Commerce
Kek, none of the chuubas are even getting any of the incline. More for the yacht.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58502277
C102 would like to say no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58500055
Dodge VTA-
>no VTA
Nevermind

[Anonymous No.]

>>58498184
kek nijiEN's viewership has dropped by a lot, the fact that they keep the red livestreaming revenue nearly unchanging makes it really fishy

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>>58504343
Does hololive have their own doujin event with over 1500 circles?
https://checklist.familiar-life.info/?e=bhabh97

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>>58504583
An "event" that doesn't have hour-long lines and is basically a paid ticket for circles to have perms to make Niji-related content?

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>>58504862
>paid ticket for circles to have perms
What the fuck are you talking about? It's not an official event

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>>58504862
Why do you pretend to know when you don't?

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>>58498184
very interesting

[Anonymous No.]

>>58504862
Of course it's a cope fantasy world in the head of holo/#/fag kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>58507688
Cope

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>>58508103
>his idols doesn't have their own fan event to sell doujin
lmao cope more

[Anonymous No.]

>>58498184
What is going on with NijiEN?

[Anonymous No.]

58508154
Pity (You)

[Anonymous No.]

>>58504583
not this shit again

[Anonymous No.]

>>58499275
>3VIEWSANJI
3VIEWSANJI
>3VIEWSANJI
3VIEWSANJI
>3VIEWSANJI
3VIEWSANJI
>3VIEWSANJI
3VIEWSANJI
>3VIEWSANJI
3VIEWSANJI

[Anonymous No.]

This implies no more EN debuts this year, that Q1 2024 JP is going to have (atleast) 2 graduations

and Q1 2024 EN will have either 1-2 graduations or a strange 2 person gen

well VT Whos graduating?

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>>58499275
why is finana this low? unironically what happened to her?

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>>58508584
Imagine comparing this to comiket lmaoooo
comiket has 200k attendees fyi

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>>58508584
>holobrony with his false information to slander nijisanji again
name more inconic duo

[Anonymous No.]

>>58508741
nijibrony cant argue the fact
>false information
name more iconic duo

[Anonymous No.]

>>58508623
NijiEN is going to release their own FuwaMoco solo gen

[Anonymous No.]

>>58508829
ESL-kun are you implying the words 'false' and 'information' are an iconic duo?

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>>58508584
You can't be this retarded
Again, this is an event run by fans with no involvement from nijisanji/anycolor, the entire second paragraph is complete EOP fanfiction

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>>58508955
yeah? your point?
why comparing this shit to comiket then?

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>>58509254
Holo has only 600 circles in Comiket. It's far below the 1500+ Niji has in this fan event.

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>>58509376
with only 4k max attendees capacity bulding?
grimmm

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>>58508891
hey im still waiting for you to point at which part is false information

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>>58509531
>with only 4k max attendees capacity bulding?
>head canon again

[Anonymous No.]

>>58509738
>>58508955

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>>58508711
comiket isn't holo's event, where is holo only event withl 1k5 circles?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58499275
Aaaah 3views, get them off, get them off this board

[Anonymous No.]

>>58500055
Bypass VTA

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>>58511050
not just bypassing vta, there are so many perks from being in another branch, living in japan and speaking japanese
being a jp in en is probably the easiest position in the company right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>58498184
i kneel

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>>58502784
pippa? sometimes tenma and lumi?

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji EN should bin its focus on "new debuts" and focus a lot more on helping the good talents they actually have. NijiEN's recruiters/talents don't seem to have a great eye for new hires and its doubtful it'd really change much. They need to focus on getting more 3D for their talents, help fund ori-songs, maybe try and work harder to secure more permissions so that their existing roster doesn't one day think about leaving. Who knows if Mysta leaving caused management to significantly change in a positive way or not.

>>58508690
Finana is unfortunately very naive, almost like a kid. And since people can be influenced by their environments, its not hard to see why Finana would fall on hard times when there's people like Enna/Uki/Millie/Kyo to "help"/groom her. It didn't help either that she was groomed earlier by Valoguards either, who probably didn't help either with their shit taste.

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>>58518594
>bunch of dramawhores that hate each other, livers that hate the shit out of their fans, the clique excluding and bullying outsiders and management that tries their best to make everyones time a living hell
There is no salvaging this just can the whole thing

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>>58518833
We're talking about Niji not holo.

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>>58518858
So am I, NijisanjiEN in particular. I dont know what the situation in JP

[Anonymous No.]

>>58500055
Free money
Low effort required on your part
Free sponsorship deals
Free equipment.

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>>58518833
I'm sure Nijisanji has the option of shutting down NijiEN at any point, or absorbing it back into the main branch like ID/KR. But it still makes money so there's no point in shutting it down yet.

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>>58518881
But that's literally hololive you're describing, not Niji.
Nijis have constant collabs with one other and enjoy the company of each other enough to where they're comfortable meeting each other irl on a yearly basis minimum. New hires are welcomed by the old ones and even participate in group collabs regularly and Kiara has literally talked about her managers ghosting her for upwards of a year when shes asked for certain things

Fauna literally wouldn't even say that she didn't just see her fans as banks/simps, Kronii hasn't streamed in 3 weeks, gura goes months without streaming, mumei streams about 8-10 times in a month total. Bijou, Mori and Kiara are practically the only ones capable of streaming semi regularly

According to https://vtuber-ch.com/ Petra literally streams more than 90% of hololive en and the girl streams 3-4 times a week on average

[Anonymous No.]

Yachtbros keep winning

[Anonymous No.]

>>58508584
So that was a scam? Lmao nijinigs

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>>58519331
Interesting, however you are only mentioning stream times while I never once in my post mentioned that

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>>58519782
>my oshi loves me so much that she never streams, ghosts me on Twitter for weeks/months at a time
The argument doesn't really work in your favor. You can post whatever screenshot you want but it doesn't change that at the end of the day 90% of the girls hate their fans which is why they go to great lengths to avoid them and refuse to address the allegations that they're seen only for their wallets

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>>58498184
No surprise. NijiJP is good but EN completely fucked up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>58498184
Bro is afraid of posting the profits

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>>58519331
Mysta abandoned you toxic fucks keep coping lmao

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>>58519331
next time maybe watch holo streams rather than reading catalog in /here/ , fucking retards. but ofc it's nijinipplenigger or u are not even a nijisanji fans but a flashflagger. wish your parents never left u alone in foster home

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>>58519331
As someone who watches both Niji and Holo it's embarrassing that you're just posting catalog narratives about Hololive while pretending to be a Niji fan. Just stop, you're making it look like we're catalog shitposters.

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>>58520072
>implying I give a shit about Mysta
I don't give a rats ass about any of the males in en (aside from doppio he's cool) but overall when you look at the stats, it seems way more indicative that hololive has more of a clique problem than Niji does with the last discord leak showcasing how pretty much everyone ghosts Kiara and that coincidentally is also what Kiara talks about whenever she has to do the offline stuff for myth.
Half of hololive en barely interact with each other and a good portion don't even regularly stream. If you wanna talk about management problems, Mori literally went on her roommate account to do collabs with the guy she'd been begging to collab with for over a year because management wouldn't let her.
Kiara literally did during the first pomu collab bring up how management took over a year to reply to her sometimes.
If you believe that being ghosted by your oshi is a sign of "love" for her audience, I might just have a bridge to sell you.

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>>58517716
Lia occasionally and Shiina is close

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>>58510486
>Red herring fallacy
Ah, the classic.

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>>58504862
>>58505016
>>58505185
>>58507688

Lol it true
>>32275750
So I checked the details for that Nijisousaku thing. Registrations opened in January and the event itself was held in May. They booked a medium size hall with around 4k combined capacity. That hall is around 4k sq meters, the hall where comiket is held is about 230k sq meters, 50 times the area of the hall where Niji Sousaku 6 was held.

Funny thing is, the registration for this was immediately after the DLsite takedown, and their terms and conditions page (https://nijisanji.familiar-life.info/circle)))) implies that if you don't register for this event, you won't be able to sell any works that you make with Niji IP anymore, even those that you have already published.
It also urges you to register for the event even if you don't have anything to distribute on the day.
From a cursory look at the registered artist twitters, most of the artists of the event seem to have simply registered to get the rights to draw Niji livers and then distributed their stuff via booth and other sites. They never actually showed up for the Nijisousaku event.

Here are some pics I found of the event -
https://twitter.com/Shiraragiyau369/status/1529804156672045056
https://twitter.com/Consid_Pierrot/status/1528233225763844096
https://twitter.com/niji__sr/status/1526499273483091968
https://twitter.com/QUPFTuVen1uhoNC/status/1526041304890609664
https://twitter.com/azuazu_Zzz_/status/1525824943799562246
https://twitter.com/kyo_ugg/status/1523271681799647232
https://twitter.com/9S_haru/status/1522781335646920705

Most of the pics are very close up, some areas are cramped and some are super open. It's hard to make a judgement on how many people that registered actually showed up for the event.
So... the "800+ circles registered" thing is probably true. But that registration also doubles as a right to draw niji IP after their shutdown of DLSite doujins, so people who just wanted to draw and sell art and fan merch with Niji IP would have registered for this, and the actual attendance for the event may have been exaggerated quite a bit

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>>58520223
>>58520284
Feel free to prove me wrong but I'll give you a bit of a spoiler here
You can't.

When you start looking at how often they flat out avoid each other and their fans you really have to wonder which company has the "clique" when newer members are almost constantly collabing with older members in one company while the other company has leaks that indicate older members can't even get newer members to respond when they're being offered cash as an incentive
Kinda sad really

[Anonymous No.]

>>58520223
Nijiniggers only care about the company not the talents. There’s literally nothing being talked about regarding talent remuneration.

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>>58520461
I can tell that this was copypastad from somewhere else because that terms and conditions page says nothing about that, it says "if you want to participate in the event it has to be nijisanji based" but that's about it.
Did some ESL think that meant you were banned from posting niji works if you didn't participate????

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>>58520482
Oh nvm you're just a catalog shitposter, not even a Niji fan. Otherwise you'd know that collabs in NijiEN are a LOT rarer than they were before, and so are interactions in general. Selen and Vox's Fall Guys tourney couldn't get anyone from the first three waves other than Rosemi because Elira never fucking joins stuff with Selen and who knows about everyone else.

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>>58520601
Prove me wrong.

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>>58520679
Where is the talent remuneration?

[Anonymous No.]

>>58520482
>>58520674
*minecraft tourney
brainfart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3YKDUHWiis

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>>58500055
>lots of money
you guys keep harping on as if THAT much money, like bruh, you're a 3 view, you probably earn less than 40k a month. why the fuck would you join niji? now after 2-3 years in niji, wtf are you gonna do with that gap in your resume with 2-3 years of experience as a content creator in nijisanji, which company is gonna even take you in?

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>>58498184
So page 26 of the ppt explains direct variable cost as cost items on then previous page. Page 25 lists revenue share as a major cost item for all categories. If we look at page 5, total revenue increased by 3billion yen, but direct variable costs only increased by about 850 million yen. This means that whatever made AnyColor that extra 3 billion had a direct variable cost (DVC) of about 28.3%. Per page 6 or oop's image, the change was mostly from commerce and promotion. This isn't to say that the talents are being jipped, since you can divide direct variable cost by number of talents to get an idea of how their incomes have changed. That, however, only gives a rough estimate and we don't know to exactly percentages for rev share, platform fees, etc. (2023 Q1 21.9 million DVC/talent vs 2024 Q1 24.9 million DVC/talent, so about 13.7% increase in DVC/talent). So the company saw a 50.9% increase in YOY revenue, 80.2% increase in YOY gross profit, and 90.5% increase in YOY operating profit meanwhile the talents would have seen at most on average an increase in income of 13.7% (most definitely too high). Well as long as the talents are making good money, it's really whatever. I stopped giving a shit about the welfare of AnyColor talents with the resolution of the Gundou baseball arc.

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>>58520674
>collabs in en are rare
There was literally a watchalong collab just a moment ago on Pomu's channel M8. Tonight there's a Baldurs Gate 3 Collab featuring pomu Rosemi doppio and fulgur
There have been weekly zomboid collabs for like the past month and a half involving several different people including people from the latest wave
Selen had a collab featuring the new boys just 5 days ago and a collab featuring Ren and maria who were both part of the second latest wave
There was a massive crab game Collab 3 weeks ago featuring a variety of different livers from all branches
A month ago there was a massive town of Salem 2 collab with a bunch of en members
2 weeks ago there was a Texas chainsaw massacre Collab featuring Selen, Hex, Finana, Aia and the new boys and as you pointed out there's a massive Minecraft tourney happening here directly as well.

So where's this whole "never collab" shit coming from?

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>>58521085
>talents making good money
>only commerce played a major contribution since it doubled which is to say that only the company is taking most of the money
Let's say if the top contributor was Toya's concert, would you even say that Toya would keep most of his earnings since most of the work in the background was done by the company and he only needed to sing some songs? Heck, I don't remember him having that many OGs for a sololive, so it's just him singing other people's songs.

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>>58521165
Read what I said: rarer than there were before, even with the roster size doubling since last year.
I'm also not talking about the fuckhuge collabs which are unwatchable for me (fuck zomboid in particular, fuck you Nina), I'm saying there's only been a few new groups formed with the new hires, the Doppio group you mentioned being one since he's actually gelled in nicely. Does anyone really care about the Nth crab game collab in comparison?
Also your list just highlights that it's still just Selen/Pomu who are organizing most of these collabs, without them nothing would happen because you know without them no one else is organizing anything except maybe Aia with her DnD sessions.

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>>58521638
Not that guy but I'd say if anything there are more collabs in NijiEN nowadays than there used to be with all the members they have now. Less collabs per person per week when they were at their max maybe but overall probably more collabs than before overall, when people were complaining the most about too many collabs in NijiEN they had about half as many members as they do now..

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>>58522003
That might be true. Maybe my perspective is skewed because for me there's less collabs I care about with the people I actually watch

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>>58520647
Yeah I am looking at the page and it has nothing to do with drawing Nijisanji afterwards. It's a completely unofficial event to begin with they wouldn't have any right to give people rights to draw Nijisanji stuff. You don't even need any special rights to sell Nijisanji related books to begin with, its literally right there on their site that you are allowed to sell them, the only thing that is prohibited is making a business based around selling them.

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>>58521468
Do you know if the talent is the one proposing the concert or is AnyColor the one doing it? I'm leaning towards the latter and thus inline with your opinion, but I don't follow their concerts, so I have no idea how things work. The question I ask really determines who foots most of the bill and should get most of the earnings (theoretically).

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>>58518594

NijiEN fucked up by banking on Luxiem fanbase. Unicorns and people who just wanted girls fucked off, and then 3/4 of Luxiem fanbase also got bored of them and fucked off.

They still have some decent talents with ok numbers but NijiEN as a brand is in very hard spot.

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>>58499570
The NijiEN 3DS flopped. The fans aren't going to splurge for them as opposed to regular streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>58498184
People are missing the big jump for "event" next quarter. AR live is probably happening again and that's what's going on here

[Anonymous No.]

>>58501852
NijiEN management demands parity so nobody gets outfits until everyone is ready. JP does it whenever each outfit is ready, they tried the EN method once with Ranunculus and then ditched that method when they realized it sucked shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>58498184
>expanding overseas fanbase
200 views at a time

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>>58522772
I was expecting NijiEN to be faring much worse than that. But they are actually looking in decent shape. It might be less YoY but really considering the way things have been going for them you would be forgiven for expecting an absolute disaster on the earnings report. But really that just makes it look like they had a couple of big quarters that were outliers and the other ones are more their norm.

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>>58508623
Holy shit good eye kek. Q1 would be the lazusydia generation, so Selen and one other person (Petra?) Are graduating and then two of those rumored JP graduations coming

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>>58508623
Q1 2024 means Q1 of the financial year ending in 2024. It already happened. That is what these figures are for May 1, 2023 - July 31, 2023 Q1 2024.

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>>58523380
Actually the guy just completely failed at reading the chart properly.
>>58523630

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>>58523630
>>58523708
Those numbers don't match up, here let me illustrate
>30 members
>33 members with Krysis
>31 members with graduations of Mysta and Nina
It's 30 members counting Krysis and the graduations both. So, 32 in-between the now and March/April

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>>58523983
Mysta didn't graduate until August. That's after Q1.

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>>58523983
Their Q1 is April 30th to July 31st and Mysta graduated August 27th

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>>58524136
There's 35 total members in NijiEN, when you discount the graduations there's 31. Your copium isn't going to work here

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>>58524317
You must be being intentionally stupid at this point. They had 30 members in Q4 2023 they add Krisis in Q1 that takes them up to 33, they lose Nina in Q1 that takes them down to 32. So for Q1 2024 its 32 members. They lost Mysta after Q1 so while currently they have 31 members that isn't reflected in the chart.

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>>58523354
Well in the same time period, they went from 26 to 32 members. So total number of members increased by 23%. Given that the report has revenue per vtuber (page 21), we can probably assume that AnyColor does the same thing.
>2023/4 Q1 1,630MM yen/26 EN vtubers = 62.7MM yen/EN vtuber
>2024/4 Q1 1,364MM yen/32 EN vtubers = 42.6MM yen/EN vtuber
So while YOY total revenue from EN vtubers dropped by 16.3%, revenue per EN vtuber dropped by 32.1%. Before you start dooming though, we can check how Nijimain was doing for FY2023.
>2023/4 Q1 36.8MM yen/vtuber
>2023/4 Q2 40.0MM yen/vtuber
>2023/4 Q3 45.2MM yen/vtuber
>2023/4 Q4 35.4MM yen/vtuber
>2024/4 Q1 60.1MM yen/vtuber
Now compare it to NijiEN
>2023/4 Q1 62.7MM yen/vtuber
>2023/4 Q2 55.7MM yen/vtuber
>2023/4 Q3 63.0MM yen/vtuber
>2023/4 Q4 45.8MM yen/vtuber
>2024/4 Q1 42.6MM yen/vtuber
So in the last two quarters, NijiEN has seen it's revenue/vtuber fall (possibly due to the drama). Depending on if you use total revenue or revenue/vtuber, the drop is either 16.3% or 32.7%. Both percentage drops are bad. If you compare the numbers to Nijimain though, you can make the argument that NijiEN has been outperforming for sometime and are just "returning to normal" instead. By the way if you pull the timescale back, FY2022/4 Q4 was the quarter where NijiEN started outperforming Nijimain. Thinking about it more, I do wonder how the 32.7% average drop affects the talents involved. A combination of increased personal spending and revenue/vtuber stabilizing at this level will definitely hurt. However, the branch hasn't "failed" yet per se.

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>>58525703
Oops any time I say 32.7%, I mean 32.1%. Don't know why it transformed into a 7 at some point.

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>>58525703
Comparing to JP's yen/vtuber is questionable when majority of niji JP doesn't stream and when they rarely do they don't care about being 2view. THose people aren't getting paid much either. If you were to look at active Niji JPs, you would have to multiply yen/vtuber by 3 or so.

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>>58521043
That goes with streaming in general

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>>58525703
>I do wonder how the 32.7% average drop affects the talents involved. A combination of increased personal spending and revenue/vtuber stabilizing at this level will definitely hurt.
They will get lower priority in the company like what happening right now with 3D, corncert and shits

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>>58521468
Concerts are one time events with relatively small payouts. (You) can literally go to Cover's report where they tell the sources of revenue and concerts are a single digit percentage (7.3%) of the revenue. They exist more as advertisement than anything.

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>>58525878
Oh definitely, those numbers are more for the sake of comparison. I feel that x3 is too high though for NijiJP because of the implications, but sorting out the numbers at that level should be a paid job.
>>58526008
We'll see, if the trend continues sure. 3D debuts definitely were planned in advance, so the Q4 drop wouldn't have affected it. I do wonder how the graduations affected planning and logistics, given that they were planned in advance as well.

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>>58521638
Finana was the one who organized the Texas chainsaw massacre Collab, Elira organized the valorant collab last night, I think it was either doppio or fulgur who organized bg3. Luca organized the crab game, which btw was the first time they'd done a crab game collab in months.
I think maybe elira was the one who organized the town of Salem one? Selen of course organized all of the apex collabs.

I think Alban organized all of the zomboid stuff. Can't remember. Regardless, there's a collab featuring several different members on the weekly. When you compare it to hololive, most of them avoid each other. Like if you go through your average en member in hololive you'll find that myth and council rarely collab, myth rarely collab with myth, Advent don't really collab with council and even council rarely collabs with council.
Your argument of
>You don't watch streams I do!
Falls apart and even if you want to pretend like you only watch one girl, there hasn't been a single girl within the past week who has not participated in some collab.

The idea that there are a bunch of people who hate each other doesn't really seem to work when they're constantly collabing. Once again though if we look at the other side of things, most of HoloEn don't interact at all offline and half of the members stream together maybe once a month at most.
The last time myth were together offline, kiara talked about how much she had to do to get the group organized because nobody wanted to be there aside from her.

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>>58526659
Nta (no opinion on the Niji stuff) but HoloEN not interacting offline is simply not true unless you're talking about people who are completely checked out like Gura. You have people like Mumei and Bae who talk to each other very often, and most of the girls mention offline interactions from time to time, and I'm not even counting the offcollab arcs.
HoloEN has always been heavily solo stream focused regardless, are you really saying THEY HATE EACH OTHER because they don't collab? Mumei hadn't collabed with Advent before last week but now she's collabed with all of Advent and has more collabs set up in the future. Did her relationship with them suddenly change? Unlikely.
>The last time myth were together offline, kiara talked about how much she had to do to get the group organized because nobody wanted to be there aside from her.
She didn't say that. I know because I'm the one who made the catalog thread about it, if you're talking about the time everyone ghosted management except for Kiara.

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>>58526659
I've always wondered about 4chanx other than using it to follow the discussion. But the new ip feature is pretty nifty.

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>>58527395
Mumei and bae actually seem relatively close to one another but overall Kronii and Fauna hardly seem to interact with the girls and each gen seems to be pretty distant from the other. I'm not necessarily saying that they hate each other because they don't collab, I'm saying that there actually likely is a clique problem in en where several of the girls flat out ignore each other and don't interact on or off stream.
I watched the stream where Kiara was actually talking about how she was unable to get myth to do shit and how a lot of the responsibilities for the offcollab ended up falling on her. Including the set-up which half of myth ignored which was part of the read and it was a disaster.

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>>58527888
Sorry I had a stroke, guess that's what I get for phone posting
I tried to say "part of the reason"

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>>58527888
Idk it's hard for me to take cliqueposting seriously at all when it comes to either Holos or Nijis, most of the time it's just people overreacting.
Do you have a link to the stream you're talking about? You're talking about the time they needed to send in a recording and didn't finish in time and in the end Kiara had to talk to management about it right? Kiara doing setup and taking on extra responsibilities is not new but to me this story was always more about management's poor relationship with the girls than anything.

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>>58528320
It was shortly after the myth offcollab I can't remember the stream unfortunately. But she was doing a zatsu and she mentioned how everyone else was too exhausted apparently to follow up with her questions and how she had tried to make everything work with the equipment they had available but how her "suggestions" were overruled

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>>58521638
>Wow it's only 70% collabs now instead of 80%

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>>58498856
>not as much as i thought
That's the first quarter of this year. It's going to get worse.

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>>58531738
This. FY Q1 2024 is May-Jul of this year. Niji EN is in much worse spot right now than it was in May.

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>>58531738
>>58531847
t-this time for sure!

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>>58498184
jesus, en is a fuck up. riku should desolve it and put the money back into jp.

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>>58500353
>>58500277
Reminder that the corp only takes a small portion of SC, membership

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>>58534833
It's kind of hard to see NijiEN as a fuck up and failure when it brings in a quarter of what HoloJP, HoloEN, HoloID, Holostars, Holostars EN make as a whole combined.

Cover Corp all branched Q1 2024 made revenue of 5,142 million yen
NijiEN Q1 2024 made revenue of 1,364 million yen
That's 27% of all Hololive branches

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>>58539476
NijiEN had 32 members and Cover Corp had 75 members. You'd be correct if Cover Corp was only 134% more in revenue or had a total revenue of 3,197 million yen. In this case, NijiEN earns on average 33% less per member.

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>>58539727
When I think of it like that I wouldn't be surprised if NijiEN makes more money that HoloEN to be honest. The vast majority of Cover's money probably comes from HoloJP right? It has the majority of members. Like look at Niji, Nijisanji EN makes up 15% of Anycolors overall revenue. If we assumed HoloEN is the same to Cover they would make 771 million yen a quarter compared to NijiEN making 1,364.

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>>58499275
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

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>>58539727
NijiEN alone makes more than quarter of what Cover makes as a whole on their own. That is a correct statement. The amount of revenue per a vtuber is a completely different thing.

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>>58539783
If you assume average earnings per vtuber for HoloEN members then HoloEN has 14 members thats 18% of Cover members. 18% of 5,142 million yen is 925 million yen. So probably yeah NijiEN as a branch is making Anycolor more money than HoloEN is making Cover as a branch.

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>>58539892
Sure it's a correct statement. However, the assertion is the comparison of NijiEN to all of Cover Corp. That's what the response was to.
>>58539783
Would it? I don't know why you're comfortable making that assumption about HoloEN and HoloJP. Plus, NijiEN being only 15% of overall revenue is just this quarter. Last fiscal year, NijiEN brought in around 25% of total revenue.
>>58540500
Definitely, NijiEN should be bringing in more money in total since it had 32 members.

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Can someone explain what the fuck are they talking about here?

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>>58498249
KEK

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>>58541457

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>>58540941
You can talk about revenue per a vtuber I guess but from the perspective of the companies considering the marginal cost of each extra vtuber is relatively low, given those estimates of revenue for HoloEN, NijiEN is more than likely the most profitable EN branch of any vtuber company, anyone calling that a failure from a business perspective has to be delusional. Is there room for them to be make even more money out of what vtubers they have? Sure. But being the most profitable branch in your market isnt bad.

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>>58541457
All new Manga comes from corpos

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>>58541457
They are saying the media industry is trending away from professionally generated static content from a handful of companies specializing in producing that content and more towards user generated interactive and real time content.

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any source of how much holo and niji vtuber income/salary per months? included merch, etc..

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>>58499021
>I actually feel more limited and it's not just because of company stuff
>It's also because of past things that happened being in luxiem, past controversy bullshit from fans
>so a lot of you know that I said a long time ago I never want to do an off collab again and that's still true
>I'm very scared to do what I wanna do
>I would love to go to close friend's houses and do collabs with them and shit but it's too much of a headache
>My mindset in the past was I have an idea, I'm gonna do the idea
>But now it's I have an idea, but am I allowed to do the idea and then is it a good idea to do it with people I wanna do it with
>how will it affect me and them, how will things be in the long and short term for us and will this affect future collabs with other people
>more times than not it's more risk for the other person
>you guys have seen HOW FUCKING CRAZY LUXIEM.... vtuber fans can be
>people in chat here are silent but they chat on other websites
>and these people will go out of their way to harass anyone I talk to
All on you, sister.

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>>58541818
>>58541594

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>>58541594
Like I can comfortably say that NijiEN made 1,364MM yen in FY2024/4 Q1 because we were provided that information. When we talk about the Cover Corp's numbers though, we have to consider that there are 5 branches involved (HoloJP, StarsJP, HoloEN, HoloID, and StarsEN). I don't know why you feel so comfortable extrapolating numbers for HoloEN the way you do given said context. You might be right about NijiEN being the most profitable given what we know about revenue share and hence low marginal cost per NijiEN vtuber. 362MM revenue was from livestreaming (Twitch+YT), 881MM revenue from merch, 120MM revenue from events, and possibly 1MM revenue from events.

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>>58541818
Not directly, you'd have to rely on estimates. At most we can get on average how much revenue on average NijiJP makes for AnyColor, how much revenue on average NijiEN makes for AnyColor, and possibly on average how much performer remuneration a Cover Corp vtuber receives. When it comes to individuals, you'd have to rely on the vtuber disclosing that information.

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>>58498184
>Nijisanji...only grows stronger.
You mean Anycolor, the corporation.

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>>58542518
Not sure why you are acting like I am saying these things are certainties. Every statement I make is hedged in terms of likelys and probablies because its just making estimates based on the information we have. Assuming that HoloEN members make the same average revenue per a vtuber as the rest of the company seems like a relatively fair assumption to make. I don't know that there is any good reason to expect them to make way less or way more per a vtuber than the average. For them to make as much revenue as NijiEN they would need to be at what nearly 100 per a vtuber? As compared to the Cover average of 68 per a vtuber. So HoloEN members would need to on average across all members make a third more than other members of Cover. Seems quite unlikely.

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how about merch and music label contract income and more its included to?

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>>58544066
That's every bit of revenue the company brings in yes. Anycolor as a whole made 8,948 million yen or around $60 million from May until the end of July this year and NijiEN made around $10 million.

Cover's figures here
https://contents.xj-storage.jp/xcontents/AS05169/964b1b7a/09f7/4be1/9415/fe25251d510d/20230809143240714s.pdf
They made 5,142 million yen or around $35 million

2024 Q1 - in millions of yen
Anycolor - Revenue 8,948, Operating Profit 4,044
Cover - Revenue 5,142, Operating Profit 895
in dollars
Anycolor - Revenue $60,685,783, Operating Profit $27,426,610
Cover - Revenue $34,874,139, Operating Profit $6,069,934