If you went from watching corporate vtubers to indie vtubers, are you happier now? Why or why not?

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Anonymous Mon Sep 4 19:36:01 2023 No.57771961 [Reply] [Original]

If you went from watching corporate vtubers to indie vtubers, are you happier now?
Why or why not?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 19:44:40 2023 No.57772394 Yes. My oshi was a corpo that went indie because her agency dissolved. It's the best thing that ever happened to her as a chuuba.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 19:45:43 2023 No.57772432

the chances of finding the best vtuber for you personally if you limit yourself to a very small pool of vtubers is much smaller (but it totally does happen for a lot of people, to be clear). most holofans literally don't know what they're missing out on because they treat yagoo as their personal filter. if you aren't brainrotted by corporate loyalty, there's minimal difference between "chuuba" and "chuuba, hololive" unless you're really personally invested in hololive's projects.

rather than corporate/indie, i see the big distinction as big chuuba/small chuuba. and small chuubas as a general rule will always be far superior to big chuubas for being parasocial. my oshi isn't THAT small (solid 3view), but she knows who I am and she knows things about me and notices when I'm missing. I can think of several times I brought her to a laughing fit from something I said/did. I'm not gonna be sliding into her DMs any time soon, but I fucking love her far, far more than I ever loved any holomem.

lots of people will derive enjoyment from the literal popularity of their chuuba like, y'know, numberfaggots. and lots of people will derive enjoyment from the success of the corpo they're loyal to like, y'know, catalogfaggots. but if you're someone who's sincerely interested in enjoying a chuuba, it's definitely worthwhile to check out smaller corpo/indie chuubas for a perfect fit (because I guarantee there's one out there).

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 19:52:00 2023 No.57772744 >>57771961 he look more comfortable now without the management pressure now also Pako is following him on X

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 19:58:12 2023 No.57773051

>>57771961
Why not both? That's what I do
But with that experience I have to say that it is much easier to find someone I might like in a corpo than in the endless ocean of indies because corpo chuubas have already been curated by someone to fit their company so if you know that company's general vibe then you can know what to expect from most of their talents

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:00:37 2023 No.57773186

>>57772432
>most holofans literally don't know what they're missing out on because they treat yagoo as their personal filter.
Anon, I do know what I'm "missing out on" because I was an indie fan first before learning about Holo.

I started watching vtubers in 2021, and my first chuuba was Ironmouse. Through her, I discovered Melody and Silver, who became the main 3 chuubas I watched.
I was there when VShojo was first formed. I was there for every Lewdcast episode. I tuned into Mel's Chaturbate streams, and I was even there for their Arcadum DnD campaigns.

But, as time went on, I soured on them because:
1. Constant drama.
2. React content sucks.
3. The dick jokes got old.
And, worst of all
4. My oshi at the time, Ironmouse, became an accessory to her own channel.

So, I started looking for other chuubas to watch and I heard of 2 people. Gura and Mori. And, I started watching them, liked their vibe, and I've been a holofan ever since.

So, no, not every holofan is some mindless drone that just likes the blue dorito because they're told to.

I genuinely just think Hololive pumps out better content than anyone else in the vtubing scene (that I personally know of).

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:01:44 2023 No.57773244 >>57773186 >most literal first word in your quote, anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:05:38 2023 No.57773435 >>57771961 i discovered my oshi through a corpo and when they went indie i followed them and started watching their circle since they all fit the niche i was looking for in streamers. I think of it as a web ring of streamers like old neocities.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:06:08 2023 No.57773458 >>57772432 Not missing out on much when most indie mythic orbiters think talking about their 12 abortions and daddy issues is good stream content

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:06:11 2023 No.57773465 I still watch corpos but indies don't have mandated collabs, which I like. It's nice to see an indie either always collab with their circle of friends, or not collab at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:07:05 2023 No.57773502 >>57771961 Not having to put up with jackass corpo drones fighting a tribal war nobody asked them to is already a win.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:08:29 2023 No.57773567

>>57773244
The thing is, I don't agree with that either. Some of them, yeah, but I do think a lot of people would agree with the last statement I made.

Indie vtubing is not some gold mine of content (again, that I know of). 99% of it is just sex jokes and react content.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:08:55 2023 No.57773583 >>57773458 >most you're just too lazy to find good smaller chuubas. and that's fine. it's literally your loss. the people who go through the trouble earn their reward, and you don't. simple as.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:09:42 2023 No.57773624 >>57773051 See this is an example of corpo brainrot. This anon doesn't care about the chuuba at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:12:51 2023 No.57773777 >>57771961 I filtered this garbage model's general already, go talk there so I don't have to see it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:13:49 2023 No.57773831 >>57773777 >filtered pussy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:15:20 2023 No.57773914 >>57773186 >4. My oshi at the time, Ironmouse, became an accessory to her own channel. Translation: I was a Mouse gosling with massive cuck incel brainrot and prefer corpo mandated enslavement to my sensibilities. I hope your new oshi cucks you, too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:15:22 2023 No.57773917 File: 213 KB, 1700x1252, 2347422799001.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57771961 I still like watching both. But indie chats are more tolerable then the vast majority of big corpo chats.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:17:44 2023 No.57774082 escaping tribal faggotry is freedom for a vtuber fan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:18:19 2023 No.57774122 >>57773914 >I hope your new oshi cucks you too Yeah thanks for the recommendation but no. NTR fans are too uppity these days.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:19:29 2023 No.57774181

>>57773624
>This anon doesn't care about the chuuba at all
What part of my post even gave you that impression? I was simply talking about discoverability and how corpos make that part simpler for us fans, after that I will simply oshi who I like and watch them regardless of what corpo helped me find them

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:22:56 2023 No.57774379 >>57774181 The "curated" part. You don't want them you want what the corpo makes them, unless you're under some delusion that you'd like your oshi if she were indie.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:23:21 2023 No.57774406

>>57774181
NTA but we know corpos help in discoverability, and that's kind of the point. the corpos wouldn't be able to find great underrated chuubas if great underrated chuubas didn't exist in the first place. your HoloEN4 oshi or whatever is out there right now. and if you aren't lazy, you can find them. vast majority here don't even try to find underrated chuubas and write them all off with the same brush anons like >>57773458 >>57773567 do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:24:13 2023 No.57774452 >>57774122 The fact you were a gosling in the first place is sad enough, but for Mousey? That's just double retard babies time.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:25:30 2023 No.57774535

Yes. I never cared about idol shit, but had no real idea on where to look outside corpos. Randon and Lando being the spiritual successors to SBFP made me realize that’s what I always wanted out of vtubing; the kinds of content I already watch but anime. If anything, I’m annoyed at corpos for holding back the potential of the medium with their retarded limitations and type cast roles.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:26:44 2023 No.57774596

>>57774406
Yep, the massive and very sudden number of fans of the Advent twins AFTER Advent who claimed they loved them so much before despite the twins being absolute nobodies is pretty telling. Never mind Shiori, who was a known entity for years. The amount of glee people had finding out about past lives to hype to their new toys was disgusting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:27:45 2023 No.57774649 >>57771961 The only indies i actually like are Shigure Ui and Rurudo when she stream. Tried Shondo but too many red flags. Tried Neuro-sama but too much Vedal now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:30:37 2023 No.57774800 >>57771961 her chat/community is better as an indie than it was as her other persona and im loving it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:31:18 2023 No.57774835 >>57774649 >Tried Neuro-sama but too much Vedal now. Anon...

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:32:26 2023 No.57774893

>>57772432
>they treat Yagoo as their personal filter
Yeah, why do that when I can use /wvt/ selfposters and /lig/ schizos as my filter instead.
This is not a joke I only really watch vtubers posted in there. I watch a singular corpo vtuber regularly and it's a microcorp one, so basically indie lite.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:33:40 2023 No.57774979 >>57771961 I liked Kson before she was Kson, she taught me that I never have to give indies a chance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:37:03 2023 No.57775166 >>57774893 there's a good reason good chuubas aren't regularly shilled /here/.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:37:55 2023 No.57775215

>>57772432
My first oshi was a seiso indie called Nina. Later, I found out everything that she did come from these group of girls called Hololive. Heck, even the word "oshi" and "seiso" was popularized by the said group. So I switched sides and never look back. Been happy since then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:40:36 2023 No.57775359 >>57774835 What is it retard? I know he is the creator but just want to watch Neuro alone sometime.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:42:29 2023 No.57775469 >>57773186 >My personal experience is different so you are wrong!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:42:33 2023 No.57775470 >>57771961 I was but then my indie vtuber turned out to be such a massive whore that it shook my faith in humanity. I'm a broken man now.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:42:54 2023 No.57775486

>>57771961
Who are some indies who don't give a shit about becoming bigger or making a livng. Too many ones I've tried have this air of desperation where they're trying to be super clippable or schmooze up to cliques. I want a chuuba who has a full time job and doesn't give enough of a fuck to even consider a sponsor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:43:03 2023 No.57775492 >>57774649 >Tried Shondo but too many red flags lol, shondo is quite tame, she's just a retarded brit I thought there'd be more dangerous content from what all the faggots were saying, but she's just mid-to-low tier at best on a red flag scale

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:43:48 2023 No.57775520 >>57775492 Shondo is british?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:44:27 2023 No.57775559 >>57774082 So true. I watched a lot of Pomu back then. Then, she started doing cuck content. Thankfully, I found out about Shondo on this board.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:44:32 2023 No.57775563 >>57773583 Who has time for this shit? People just want entertainment, not to quest for weeks for the easiest to groom 1view nobody.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:47:22 2023 No.57775700 >>57775563 >Who has time for this shit? people who actually watch vtubers instead of the catalog

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:47:30 2023 No.57775705 >>57775563 This. Corpos are just a filter for good chuubas, and even then you have to search, but it's not as big a pool as 1-2views. Doesn't matter, since I also have an indie I like to watch on top of the holos I follow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:47:42 2023 No.57775712 Corpos have too much bullshit. Too much fake personality unrelated to kayfabe and lore and numbers stuff. Plus the games they get perms for suck

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:49:17 2023 No.57775778 >>57775563 I mean if you're wasting time watching entertainment might as well find GOOD entertainment right? Saying you don't have time to find an entertaining vtuber while you watch corpo slop that you don't enjoy that much is full on retard.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:50:01 2023 No.57775816

>>57775486
Then you get someone who streams once a week or once a month because they're too busy wageslaving to entertain your ass daily.
They all want fame because they want money because they want out of that layer of the ratrace and that's understandable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:54:12 2023 No.57776020 >>57775778 Who says it's not enjoyable? (You)? Lmao You're nobody and your special snowflake 1view is simply a byproduct of, and reacts to, what the top copos are doing first. The reconstituted end of the line. Have fun with that lol

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:56:26 2023 No.57776120

>>57772432
My first oshi was an indie who rebranded and retired, later I started watcing Bungo taiga, luna the magikarp and ironmouse, I got bored of them after a while. Bungo taiga became a lewdtuber because it was the trend (thanks group now known as Vshojo) and Luna would just spam RLcraft while her announcement bot went ''karp karp magi magi karp karp'' simulating the can can dance. You know how i found Hololive? because all of those indies were sucking their dick at the time, specially ironmouse and taiga, the latter talked about an hour about the ''new hololive girls'' who were EN at the time. I checked them out and they seemed cool enough.
The indie scene then started to deteriorate way too fucking fast while Hololive just stood on their lane, no politics, no alphabet pandering, no ''muh based opinions'', just a bunch of girls being cute and retarded together.
You know why you indiefags are worse than even Nijiniggers? you think we were born int he walled garden that is Hololive but we went there after experiencing the shit that your chuubas are.
>But my indie oshi plays emulators, does reaction, do coding streams
Who gives a shit, I enjoy my oshi's game selection I couldn't care less if yours just happen to be so under the radar she's able to stream cheese pizza, I've surfed recently throught indies again and nothing fucking changed, it's the same shit i've seen again and again and soon enough they get into some fucking bullshit that could've been avoided by just streaming.
>Lol what about mori
You mean the girl who's being cracked with a whip for that shit? who is there to control your indie chuubas when they go retarded? your fucking bittalies??

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 20:59:22 2023 No.57776267 >>57775469 >I met all holofans and no one has ever watched indies, believe it!!!! the pot calling the kettle black.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:00:32 2023 No.57776325

>>57773186
>But, as time went on, I soured on them because:
1. Constant drama.
>So, I started looking for other chuubas to watch and I heard of 2 people. Gura and Mori. And, I started watching them, liked their vibe, and I've been a holofan ever since.
Anon you have the self awareness of an earth worm.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:00:39 2023 No.57776331 >>57775778 Found the seething 1-2 views kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:01:09 2023 No.57776355 >>57771961 I did go from corpo to indie but after not too long went back to corpo. The quality is just so much more consistent with the big corpos, the value of entertainment that much higher.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:03:25 2023 No.57776477 >>57775359 There IS no Neuro-sama, that's what, retard. Disconnecting the two because of your anti-male autism is well beyond corpo brainrot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:04:16 2023 No.57776516 >>57775492 she is unironically mentally stable despite being an actual schizo and her past, but i can't help but feel once the wind changed, so will her content and you are just setting yourself up for disssapointment if you invest too much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:04:46 2023 No.57776558 >>57775705 >This. Corpos are just a filter for good chuubas, I love that you fags actually believe this.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:06:04 2023 No.57776634

I watch vtubers of all levels 0 views - 10,000 views. the best vtubers are in the three digit range. anything after that and the quality starts dropping because they have to reach for wide appeal or just stop trying. the 0 views I talk to I just hang out with and play games with them (male and female vtubers). /wvt/ used to be more tight-knit but the schizos ruined it so I don't visit there anymore (i don't suggest looking there for 0views either)

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:06:12 2023 No.57776642

>>57776020
Then it's fine. If you like corpos then you don't need to bother with trying to find indies you enjoy. I am mostly referring to people complaining about watching corpos they don't enjoy all that much. If you have a lot of issues with corpos but still keep watching them then you're retarded. Simple as.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:07:01 2023 No.57776687 >>57771961 watched hololive and never went back to indie. only a few indies I still watch. orc in OP is just a retarded lazy schizo

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:07:36 2023 No.57776719 >>57776477 Homobeggar please cry more, Vedal created Neuro, i don't mind him, he is like Yagoo. The problem is it feel like the creator of a show self-inserting in every episode. Please go cry beg somewhere else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:07:56 2023 No.57776739 >>57776477 Neuro-sama the puppet and the person themself joining in the stream are obviously different, are you retarded? It's different stream content.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:08:00 2023 No.57776743 >>57776120 Anybody actually believing this twat watched a single indie while he's parroting every catalog talking point? Unofficial poll to determine the retard level of this board.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:10:10 2023 No.57776860 >>57776743 it's even funnier when their definition of indie is basically borderline corpo with the amount of viewers they have kek. people who are truly in the "indie scene" go way way deeper and you meet all sorts of unique people

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:12:06 2023 No.57776955 >>57776719 >>57776739 Neuro-sama is 1 step away from babiniku. Takes some serious self delusion to deny this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:13:10 2023 No.57777020 >>57776955 Actually yeah, it's a step removed because of the AI, but yes, it's a man controlling? a female vtuber

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:13:29 2023 No.57777031

>>57776355
Yeah. When you watch both you realize that it's not that talent which makes corpos, it's corpos which make talents. There are a ton of great indies but if you have any interest in vtubers beyond parasocial interactions, corpos just end up putting out much better work with the resources they get. Tons of great indies just reach an activity cap even when they're making numbers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:13:37 2023 No.57777038 >>57776120 damn, anon. you perfectly predicted my counterpoints and shut them down indiscriminately. i completely concede.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:13:55 2023 No.57777059 >>57776860 >it's even funnier when their definition of indie is basically borderline corpo with the amount of viewers they have kek Indie and corpo have nothing to do with viewership; there are plenty of 2 view corpos

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:14:25 2023 No.57777088 File: 137 KB, 723x540, 1664641292483782.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Small corpo = Indie > Hololive >>> Nijisanji > Vshojo

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:15:48 2023 No.57777165

>>57777020
Thing I want to put forth here is, I am not shitting on Neuro-sama. I get why people like watching the AI do it's thing, just this idea that she's separate from Vedal, who literally programs her and curtails certain things she can't say and activates and deactivates her, and that she's like her own entertainer, is just dumb. To appreciate Neruo is to appreciate Vedal and his genius and what he puts into her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:16:49 2023 No.57777229 >>57777031 >When you watch both you realize that it's not that talent which makes corpos, it's corpos which make talents. Oh we got a winner here. You need a lobotomy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:17:21 2023 No.57777272 >>57776955 retard no one deny it, it's an AI capable of roasting Vedal himself, homobeggar you are looking for crumbs. Neuro are not real and not Vedal himself you schizo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:18:17 2023 No.57777320 >>57777272 When Neuro can turn herself on, start her own stream, stop her own stream, and turn herself off, then you can deny Vedal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:19:01 2023 No.57777356 >>57777088 Truest post I've seen all week on this board

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:19:37 2023 No.57777387
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>>57777088
If I may ask, why do you personally dislike Vshojo so much? After watching henya for awhile, Vshojo vtubers don't really feel that much different from indies especially compared to the other big corpos.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:20:32 2023 No.57777440 >>57777387 Let's see, he put Hololive just barely below indies / small corpos, why do you think?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:20:57 2023 No.57777464 >>57777387 Froot

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:21:09 2023 No.57777473
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I've tried indie vtubers before and they're dogshit. I know that there's several indies ITT seething about corpo fans but idgaf

Indie chuba:
>Drama
Specially if they're western
>Retarded politics
>Constantly bringing politics up
>Jealousy
>Twitterfags
>Too much whoring
>Literal Con cumdumpsters
Many such cases
>Too afraid of being "cancelled"
>React content
This is one of the main issues and the reason I have Shylili, Milky and others blocked in YT. Some corpos like Ironlung are blocked too.
>Little to no signing/dancing
>90% will never get a 3D model
>Many ruin their good models with dogshit alterations and """"improvements"""""
>Pickmes
I don't want to use this tumblrtranny term but it's true, they know that they can lose it all in the blink of an eye so they hide under this "so relatable" facade

>"But anon some corpos have some of those characteristics"
In lesser extents and they calm down once it starts hurting their numbers
>"But anon, the next wave of your favorite corpo is LICHURLY being a 2view indie right now, hypocrite much??"
Picrel

Indies I like: Shigure UI, Pochimama, Hinata, Nyaruchuu, Neuro, Shondo

I must say tho, I mostly watch JP streams. I'm a corpo JP branch fan and occasionally watch the EN branches.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:21:33 2023 No.57777499

I just watch vtubers man. The only difference really is how unhealthy they can be about their streaming and how honest they can be about what comes out of their mouth. In the end, it doesn't make much difference to what you're presented with unless you want to have a "relationship" with the streamer or value some idea of culture or honesty.
After three years I have not nor ever plan on taking part in a vtuber's "community". Whether it's being a regular name in their chat or interacting with the rest of their fans, I have done very little of it. I hate streamer fanbases, and have since before I started watching vtubers. I like having my messages read, but I rarely have anything to say any way. For me there is very little difference between indies and corpos. Though, with a corpo turned indie there could be the loss of most of their collab partners, which is quite a shame.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:21:50 2023 No.57777524 >>57777320 >homobeggar in total shamble, now just argue for the sake of argue I see you turn retarded, good bye, Neuro is an AI, Vedal is the creator and the owner, hope you wake up from your delusion faggot.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:23:10 2023 No.57777599
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dont care about corpo. I like chuuba.
However if chuuba was in good corpo and starts talking shit like OP, i will dislike chuuba because they are an ungrateful cunt. Corpos are bad but if you be an ungrateful cunt you are going to be an ungrateful cunt towards other people I like who are still in the corpo. You have your current viewers thanks to the work of the other people in the corpo, so get off your high horse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:23:39 2023 No.57777632 >>57771961 buy an ad orc trannies your general is dead because it's just 10 faggots circlejerking over this boring faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:23:44 2023 No.57777638 >>57777473 Ah there it is. I was wondering when the official brainrot badge would appear.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:25:20 2023 No.57777783

>>57777387
Vshojo is a company filled with dramasisters where the management and backend staff are all the worst washouts Twitch staff had to offer. Most of the talents, ex-talents included, are not good people. I also can't stand how hard they push and normalize lewd/pornographic content to the point where it took over part of the "meta" for the longest time.

Got nothing against Henya however.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:26:40 2023 No.57777881 >>57777783 So, you read the /vt/ catalog. I'm not surprised, yet somehow always disappointed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:28:24 2023 No.57778017 >>57772432 A perfect explanation minus a single flaw: >but if you're someone who's sincerely interested in enjoying a chuuba You've clearly forgotten where you are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:29:39 2023 No.57778103 >>57777473 lurk more, fag

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:29:45 2023 No.57778110 >>57777881 I gave their content a chance and know extra information from having been a streamer myself years ago. Not sure what you have to be disappointed about when nothing I said was wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:35:58 2023 No.57778490 >>57777638 Sorry no one is watching your dogshit streams, tranny.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:37:07 2023 No.57778577 >>57778103 t. newfag

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:39:58 2023 No.57778755

>>57776558
Because it is. As the other anon said, shit's just entertainment. Why waste time searching for the a good 1-2view when corpos (or even just large indies) already come pre-filtered?
Sure, if the 3-4view I'm watching raids into a 1-2view, I'll watch them if they're interesting, otherwise I'll just see which of my follows is streaming.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:41:14 2023 No.57778843 >>57778577 >bringing up ironmouse as proof you're willing to be adventurous in seeking out smaller chuubas

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:41:29 2023 No.57778859 >>57772432 >most holofans literally don't know what they're missing out on because they treat yagoo as their personal filter. What other filters do you think works better if you're not willing to give much more than 50 chuubas a fair shake?

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:43:57 2023 No.57778997

>>57778755
>Why waste time searching for the a good 1-2view when corpos (or even just large indies) already come pre-filtered?
Because that's what hobbyists do, we're just more dedicated to this than you are so we don't mind putting in the time to find these hidden gems even if we have to wade through the garbage. It's like finding a niche anime that you really love that no one talks about, rather than just watching what everyone else watches.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:44:59 2023 No.57779054 Ok indiefags, recommend me some horror gamer chuubas that don't have an edgy/ugly model so I don't have to get my fix from the nijisanji latina anymore

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:45:02 2023 No.57779058

>>57772432
>and small chuubas as a general rule will always be far superior to big chuubas for being parasocial. my oshi isn't THAT small (solid 3view), but she knows who I am and she knows things about me and notices when I'm missing. I can think of several times I brought her to a laughing fit from something I said/did. I'm not gonna be sliding into her DMs any time soon, but I fucking love her far, far more than I ever loved any holomem.
You know you have no chance with her and yet you want attention and acknowledgement? That sounds like the unhealthy way to be parasocial, really.
Either you accept being just another face in the crowd or you go full groom on 0-2views. Everything else is wasting time on an illusion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:47:52 2023 No.57779209 File: 859 KB, 1960x3775, F4Y38RwaQAAIuen.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57779054 Grimmi

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:48:01 2023 No.57779220

>>57778997
>finding a niche anime that you really love that no one talks about
>anime
Retardchama, if it had an anime made, it meant it had a market, I think you meant to say manga.
>rather than just watching what everyone else watches
Oh, so you're just a "popular bad" faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:49:32 2023 No.57779294 >>57779220 No, you're putting words in my mouth. All I'm trying to say is that hobbyists go beyond the surface level of the medium, while people like you do not. There's no need to get offended over that.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:49:41 2023 No.57779304

>>57778859
the point is that there are top-tier chuubas perfectly suited for your personal taste out there IF you are willing to put in the work to find them. if you're too lazy and are content with whatever yagoo gives you, that's fine. nobody's trying to say it's bad to enjoy the holos or that they can't be the best fit for you as a viewer. just saying that, as someone who did put in the work, I can tell you that I think it was extremely worthwhile for me personally to do my own searching. the people who put in the work will earn their reward. if you're actually looking for someone suited to your tastes, it's easy enough to ask for suggestions which may or may not pan out. but you do actually have to do the work.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:49:59 2023 No.57779316

>>57779058
>Everything else is wasting time on an illusion
Not necessarily, I'd bet my left ball most of the retards posting here are just like Foxplushy mods.
>ur cringe for being parasocial, touch grass and never come back
>here's my tweet of a tattoo I got from the vtuber I'm mod of, luv ya, foxplushy!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:51:12 2023 No.57779377 >>57774406 "My HoloEN4 oshi" isn't out there, her eventual roommate is - but if that was all I cared about I might as well watch flesh streamers. Pretending that vtubers are solely defined by the person behind them is disingenious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:53:02 2023 No.57779467 >>57779316 I don't see how you're disagreeing with me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:54:11 2023 No.57779542 >>57779209 I'll take it

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:55:36 2023 No.57779642

>>57779304
Anon, if there are top-tier chuubas, they are unironically on the 3view range AT LEAST, unless they're just starting. One of my favorite indies made it to 3view and partner in less than half a year, and another half a year later she's a stable mid-3view, and her content is as nice as it gets, without doing reacts.

>>57779294
>hobbyists go beyond the surface level of the medium
Which is analysis about how trends and good chuubas end up. That's why I mentioned corpos and 3-4views. Because so-called "good chuubas" shine given time, and if not grabbed by a corpo, they quickly make to partner or 3view at least.
And either way, discussing about how you should enjoy your hobby is retarded intellectualoid faggotry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:56:38 2023 No.57779702 File: 273 KB, 2048x1152, fckin_eggs-man.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I just like the funny anime people anon. Some are corpa, some are indie. I do try not to support any company that is screwing over it's employees (2434), if I can.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:56:44 2023 No.57779711 >>57771961 I still watch both, but I'm happier now than when I was exclusively watching Hololive. Nowadays I mainly watch small/medium corpos, indies and a few Nijis. JP only, of course.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:56:53 2023 No.57779716 File: 213 KB, 828x1726, 1641809682728.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] you can find good chuubas anyhwere

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 21:57:04 2023 No.57779730 >>57779642 wish i could live in your fantasy world where talent and success are such a strong correlation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:00:30 2023 No.57779911 >>57779716 who's this

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:00:58 2023 No.57779930 The little I read on this thread makes a pretty good rule >Find an indie oshi that is medium-high 3view so they are stable enough to not consider joining a corpo and have a chat slow enough for you to get the parsocial dopamine on the interactions

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:02:24 2023 No.57780030

>>57779730
Just watch partners/3views if corpos aren't your thing, anon. Anyone who made it to that level managed to grow out of the crab bucket that is 2viewness on their own merits. It's their own talent which allowed for their success. Or if you want to be even more stringent, 4views are also a thing.

>>57779467
Mostly that streamers like that agree with the "parasocial bad" publicly and also compliment their mods for doing the tattoo shit. It's as you said the 0-2view grooming issue, but taken to the 3view level.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:02:40 2023 No.57780043 File: 224 KB, 1132x1111, 1657965925230.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57779911 el rene (forma sex voice) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFtf1_zW_2w

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:04:54 2023 No.57780179

There's pros and cons to both corpo and indie. In corpo there's an expected level of quality and consistency that's expected. Indie can be very hit or miss on quality of the stream/mic/personality. But on the con side corpo doesn't have the freedom to play games they want at any time where an indie can just stream it no problem. Corpo there's also a smaller "personal" feel in chat since there's typically thousands of people in them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:05:58 2023 No.57780248 >>57771961 I'm already indie exclusive and only watch corpos through clips. It's incredibly fun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:06:53 2023 No.57780305 >>57780179 it's really just holoniji that gives a shit about perms afaik

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Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:12:14 2023 No.57780619
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>>57772432
I don't need to be acknowledged by a chuuba as an individual, I'm happy enough to be appreciated as part of a greater fanbase. To me, chuubas are like anime characters who stream so I can enjoy them with a virtual barrier between us. I also appreciate it when they add in lore so I can be invested in their character outside of their streams and have upcoming projects to look forward to, which is a huge strength Hololive offers. Frankly, I don't care enough about some average e-girl to want her to act like my pseudo girlfriend. I don't mind seeking out indies but they have to have some kind of talent (like art) to keep me invested.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:12:55 2023 No.57780672 >>57778755 >Why waste time searching for the a good 1-2view when corpos (or even just large indies) already come pre-filtered? Again, I love that you fags actually believe this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:13:48 2023 No.57780716 >>57774406 What if I hate my oshi's roommate who is an unfunny coomer and can only tolerate her through a corpo filter?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:14:06 2023 No.57780733 >>57780043 nice thanks for the link anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:15:56 2023 No.57780834 >>57780716 I'm sorry anon, but you're probably just retarded.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:16:34 2023 No.57780870

>>57780672
Anonchama, as I've said before, your arguments are just "the journey is what matters, how can you say you have found good chuubas if you haven't explored all the 0-2views?".

>>57780619
Oh yeah, art chuubas. In that particular case, more than numbers, what matters is whether their style clicks with you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:17:58 2023 No.57780964 >>57780619 totally legitimate stance to have. if you're completely satisfied by what you have then there's no reason to worry about finding others.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:19:02 2023 No.57781032 >>57780870 My argument is that you're equating "corpo filter" with having "good" chuubas thrown in front of you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:21:33 2023 No.57781177 >>57780834 >You're retarded because your tastes don't align with mine! Seethe more, I still won't watch your indie because I'm happy with what I have

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:21:41 2023 No.57781181

>>57781032
And I keep telling you, it's not JUST the corpo filter, it's also the 3view/partner filter if you hate corpos and everything they represent.
Again, if you're chuuba is interesting enough, unless they're just starting, 3view/partner is something they can achieve in half a year or less sometimes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:41:25 2023 No.57782358 >>57777599 I need to breed this dog before her womb dries up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 22:49:27 2023 No.57782827 >>57778843 >No reading comprehension Go to school, Jamal

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 23:44:53 2023 No.57786108

Randons irresponsible behavior while he was in his corpo made me distrust him and truly hate him as a person, so im his anti forever. Knowing him, he WILL do something stupid and menhera again and people will get sick of his shit. I hope he fades into obscurity and i never have to see his ugly ass again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 23:45:33 2023 No.57786146 File: 2.84 MB, 480x600, 20230704 soyapoya - hate it [sound=files.catbox.moe%2Fvdxwrs.webm].webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57771961 Yes. Next question.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 4 23:53:41 2023 No.57786635 File: 1.39 MB, 560x560, 20224125.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57771961 I didn't really feel any different. I never cared for the corpo she was in, though it might also be because I knew her before joining Vshojo too.

Anonymous Mon Sep 4 23:53:56 2023 No.57786650

>>57771961
indiefags are annoying no matter where you find them. as for the thread subject my main concern is consistency. the main I stopped sifting through indie chuubas is there's nothing stopping them from saying or doing dumb shit. corpos are usually good at filtering these retards but some slip through

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 00:03:11 2023 No.57787259 >>57771961 I dont like endies, they are too entitled. Corpos have handlers that clearly tell them to shut the fuck up and move on when they get too sassy

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 00:04:10 2023 No.57787360 File: 293 KB, 2160x1080, 1685579357099618.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57787259 true

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 00:35:07 2023 No.57789931 File: 140 KB, 1200x1020, 1693772563268827.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57771961 >Happy No retarded invaders shitting up the place >Unhappy It's too gay for my comfort at times Otherwise I'm settled in just fine

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 00:38:59 2023 No.57790211 >>57771961 I don't care whether they used to work for a corpo or are still working for the corpo. I'm just happy they're still around unlike Sana

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 00:45:41 2023 No.57790710

>>57772432
Can't you just admit that you are the inverse of a numberfag rather than accuse everyone else of being sheeple? some of the holo talents I liked before they were part of hololive. Would you drop your oshi over her getting the blue dorito fake fan?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 01:02:32 2023 No.57792063 >>57790710 (You), now go back to the catalog

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 01:11:12 2023 No.57792725 >>57776325 No, you are just retarded if you think there is any drama behind Calli

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 01:12:21 2023 No.57792804 >>57780716 based, women (and men honestly) are only tolerable if they're made to filter out the worst shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 01:14:29 2023 No.57792975 >>57787360 >That image KWAB

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 01:14:42 2023 No.57792985 >>57771961 What? My Oshi in the beginning was an Indie who joined a corp then went indie again My new Oshi did exactly the same with smaller numbers and a bigger corp. ...i am fine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 01:16:15 2023 No.57793082 >>57790211 i honestly feel for any sanalite that expected her to stream after graduation

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 01:16:35 2023 No.57793104 I like corpo vtubera, but the chat experience on small indies is better (on my experience)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 01:17:27 2023 No.57793158 >>57779911 best girl.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 01:17:41 2023 No.57793167 >>57779058 >That sounds like the unhealthy way to be parasocial, really. >implying there is a healthy way to be parasocial

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 01:21:29 2023 No.57793413 >>57772432 >small chuubas as a general rule will always be far superior to big chuubas for being parasocial I watch vtubers to laugh and be entertained so I'll stick to the big chuubas then.

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 01:26:35 2023 No.57793752

Indies doesn't have a story arc, retardo. You'll leave in a few months after you've have your fun with her while people got invested to Hololive for years already with new collaborations and interactions with other members. You don't get those from indies. Indies are fated to die after a few months or a year because unlike holos, they don't get anything to drive them further like 3Ds, songs, sponsorships, goals etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 01:30:26 2023 No.57793989 >>57793752 How does the boot taste?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 01:37:27 2023 No.57794420 >>57771961 I went back watching pewds, pretty happy now.

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 01:59:45 2023 No.57795808

Being able to disappear into the crowd is a benefit of Hololive. I can donate and get the reactions I want and then just leave or change oshi when I get bored. It's harder to do this mentally with indies and one menhera even stalked my socials and I had to abandon them. I just want the entertainment to be as transactional as possible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 02:04:09 2023 No.57796154 >>57773777 man up, snowflake

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 02:06:40 2023 No.57796374
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>>57771961
I've always watched both holos and smaller indies. I don't really see a reason to exclusively watch one or the other. An entertaining streamer is an entertaining streamer regardless.

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 02:10:44 2023 No.57796762

I'm a chumbud who mostly watches hololive, but I also follow a couple small corpos, a couple JP indies, and occasionally watch a shondo vod when she uploads a batch to her archive channel. I only really watch the JP indies I like because of their singing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 02:13:07 2023 No.57796980 >>57774535 >Randon and Lando being the spiritual successors to SBFP kill yourself

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 02:13:36 2023 No.57797014

>>57772432
after sticking with 8 indies for long time and most of them went to shit i go back to blue dorito
when they become twitlonger/parasocial fucks drama types or genshitspam or got way too addicted to valoshit (or become cockmuncher like certain hedgehog) i see 0 reason to not drop them
im just TIRED trying to find good ones outside of vsinger indies
assuming you aren't a 2-3view trying to shill yourself you are lucky you got one of the few good ones

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 02:14:33 2023 No.57797099 >>57771961 I watch both.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 02:15:32 2023 No.57797183 >>57777473 If you're watching an indie that brings up shit like politics, that's your damn fault. It's pretty fucking easy to find and figure out which ones would never do that shit.

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 02:37:00 2023 No.57799236
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Completely stopped watching major-corpos at this point. Tons of indies and small corpos that are on-par or even better than Holos in terms of content and streaming consistency

Music
>Rio Fukai
>Yatano Levi
>obkatiekat
>GODS1M4
>kirispica
>LeeandLie
>XiulanLong

Gaming
>Romania-chan
>Murmaider_
>nacho
>RustyClaudia
>AzarashiAlex
>enocinoco

Variety
>Squchan
>Lumituber (Finnish one, not the yellow pickme one)
>Saruei
>Elly
>MariMari

Art
>Yoclesh
>DyaRikku
>AkiajiMargo

GFE
>Shabel Tonya
>Zakuro Otoguro

Not to mention the Twitch clique (Fillian, Shylily, Nihume, Yuzu, Sinder, Trickywi, etc)

t.Luknight who used to watch way more Holo/Niji content (Miko, Haato, Ame, Mori, Enna, Lulu, Selen)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 02:38:11 2023 No.57799357 File: 79 KB, 600x800, it goes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57799236 >LeeandLie >Elly >DyaRikku lol lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 02:39:47 2023 No.57799519 File: 395 KB, 1080x1384, 1649447028142.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57799236

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 02:43:58 2023 No.57799885

>>57771961
My oshi is a in Hololive. I do watch some small and big indies. I'm not missing out on much. Being an indie isn't inherently better, "talent freedom" is mostly just an excuse for NSFW content. I'm not a unicorn but I'm also not a coomer.
I wish the indie I liked had more access to studio time for music but that's about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 02:45:09 2023 No.57799973 >>57771961 His model looks more like corporate slave now deapite being an indie, the irony. Also if the legendary Coco is on Holo ID level, then he will be back to 300 ccv indie or fewer next year.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 02:45:28 2023 No.57799998 >>57799519 When is she going to have her projekt Melody phase? I mean full on plap plap plap and taking a 8 month hiatus for the baby

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 02:45:30 2023 No.57800004 File: 14 KB, 665x120, tldr.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57799236

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 02:52:08 2023 No.57800547 File: 83 KB, 717x900, cover6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57799357 Is this yamdere devs dad?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 03:39:03 2023 No.57804084 >>57774535 which one's the manchild? who is the one nobody wants to work with?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 03:48:15 2023 No.57804677 I jumped ship from holo to phase connect when their gen1 came out and I have 0 regrets

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 03:52:23 2023 No.57804940 >>57793989 not as bad as your mom's pussy

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 03:54:31 2023 No.57805071 >>57772432 Not watching Holo is the definition of missing out, you dumbo

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 03:55:23 2023 No.57805133 >>57772432 >be far superior to big chuubas for being parasocial. And that's where you lost me, sorry m8 but unlike everybody here, I don't see vtubers as human or real. Only pixels

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 03:57:00 2023 No.57805245 >>57800547 Jesus christ the last time I saw a pic of yandaredev he looked 17 and now he looks 40. Just how many fucking years have passed?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 03:57:12 2023 No.57805263 >>57804677 Enjoy your dramawhoring Plapikka then loser :)

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 03:57:22 2023 No.57805272

Why should I bother with indies? I've given a few sub 10 views a chance and then one even got up past 50 but they have never last more then a few months before they start streaming once a month. Most holos aren't going to pull that shit on you and the talent scouting for them is doing the work for me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 03:59:09 2023 No.57805390 >>57771961 I went from watching an Indie, to Corporate, now back to Indie. Same thign, except more jaded about the corpo ones now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 04:00:16 2023 No.57805462 File: 101 KB, 586x900, 1606360129378.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57805272 >before they start streaming once a month Yeah that never happens with corpos, right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 04:01:25 2023 No.57805527 >>57805462 I added most to it and you still went for the low hanging fruit, couldn't help yourself huh?

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 04:04:43 2023 No.57805739

>>57805527
Then move up to 3views. 1-2view life is harsh so a lot of them get disheartened and take breaks from streaming. 3views will stream often because they already broke the barrier and are finally 100% deep and dedicated to their streaming career.

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 04:06:38 2023 No.57805849

>>57778997
>It's like finding a niche anime that you really love
Having read too much manga I can attest that this is utter bullshit and I only found 3 Good niche"" mangas, my favorite is actually pretty popular

You like the 2view because they are yours, not because of the content, betting on it

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 04:08:20 2023 No.57805961

>>57805739
just isn't for me, I tried but it feels like your late too the community and it just doesn't have that feeling. That said I've finished AC6 and will probably just keep googling playthroughs to relive how much fun I had for a while so who knows.
OF all the people fucking Mori has finished it and not many others from what I've seen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 04:11:47 2023 No.57806151 >>57773186 >hates react content >his oshi was Mouse I'm saying this as someone who loves Mouse, something doesn't add up here...

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 04:13:15 2023 No.57806241 >>57806151 He did say he stopped, as a non mouse consumer his complaints all seem valid enough. He just got tried of the content, I don't like connor myself for his dumb ass games are a bad medium for stories take so it checks out with me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 04:13:30 2023 No.57806260 >>57773186 >"I've watched indies" >Vshojo Bruh

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 04:16:06 2023 No.57806431

>>57778755
I have found tons of small indies who I find more enjoyable than any Hololive member without really any effort at all

The Western community is actually a community, so you really don't have to go out of your way to naturally be exposed to lots of different people.

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 04:16:12 2023 No.57806445

I didn't have an oshi before I found my current one but I started with corpos. I'm far happier with my oshi being indie, but she managed to make it and get to a decent size. It's fun watching her grow and be an actual part of her community that she directly interacts with.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 04:17:06 2023 No.57806500 >>57779220 >niche anime don't exist Holy retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 04:25:37 2023 No.57807002 >>57799236 >GFE >Shabel Tonya Is that a recent thing? I used to watch her sometimes and never noticed any GFE.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 04:28:35 2023 No.57807187 JP indies only disregard EN ones, simple as

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 04:29:18 2023 No.57807236 >>57776120 Nice blog post faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 04:34:22 2023 No.57807565 >>57776120 >watched Taiga >thinks his opinions matter

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 04:51:12 2023 No.57808633 >>57806500 Not by the retarded metric anon is giving. >>57806431 >small indies Never really did it for me for a long time. Guess it's preferences, since for me it's either corpos or 3-4views.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 05:07:15 2023 No.57809563 >>57808633 3-4views are even easier to come by, are you kidding me? I could give you 13 that are live right now just from my following and recommended

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 05:09:20 2023 No.57809663 >>57809563 don't recommend good chuubas to shitters just to win an argument in a catalog thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 05:10:08 2023 No.57809705 >>57774596 I still don't know Shioris old account but I can say I've watched over 5 of the twins old streams so I qualify as a casual enjoyer of their old stuff

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 05:11:46 2023 No.57809801 >>57779377 How's that corporate boot taste

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 05:15:42 2023 No.57810031 >>57809705 Shiori's been around long enough to have been friends with the VShojo girls before they were VShojo girls

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 05:22:24 2023 No.57810396 >>57799973 >300 ccv indie or fewer next year And that would still be great for him. He used to stream to around 30 people before.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 05:23:39 2023 No.57810469 >>57809663 > trust us bro. These 2viewshitters are sooo much better. Just trust me Lmaooooo

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 05:24:17 2023 No.57810493

I watch both corporate vtubers and indie vtubers.
The very large majority of indie vtubers are trash which is why they're only indies. Indies that become corporate that still try to act like indies are the worst because they ALWAYS become overwhelmed sooner rather than later and do something stupid.
Corporate vtubers that take to heart the corp's philosophy usually end up reaching a standard, making them a lot more "digestible" for people. However, the restrictions placed on them also make it more difficult for them to become anything more than "good".
>tl;dr
>Indie vtubers have the lowest lows but can have the highest highs
>Corpo vtubers have a high skill floor but low skill ceiling

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 05:25:12 2023 No.57810545 >>57810469 yeah, damn, you got me. there aren't actually any good small chuubas, so (You) don't need to worry about it. Go back to your /#/ friends..

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 05:28:08 2023 No.57810712 >>57806260 >market themselve as indie >not an indie Their definition of an indie keep changing every year huh.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 05:37:13 2023 No.57811209 >>57777387 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olq9ovfRHzY

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 05:41:02 2023 No.57811391 File: 178 KB, 284x428, bait.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57773186 >I do know what I'm "missing out on" >I started watching vtubers in 2021, and my first chuuba was Ironmouse.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 05:46:00 2023 No.57811608 >>57779209 NTA but holy shit I watched for less than 2hrs and I got sold, thanks anon

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 05:55:13 2023 No.57812060 Went from corporate(Hololive) to small corpo(Tsunderia) which disbanded and left me with indies. The small corpos and indies were too charming and made me fall in love with them way too well and i felt like I was going crazy. So i went back to Hololive

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 05:56:07 2023 No.57812105 >>57810712 It's like saying burgers are bad because you ate a big mac and didn't like it

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 05:59:19 2023 No.57812238 >>57812060 >anon was almost the one who got groomed instead

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 06:03:09 2023 No.57812410 All you retards should get off corpo 4chan and post on an indie imageboard

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 06:05:59 2023 No.57812551 >>57799973 >His model looks more like corporate slave now deapite being an indie, the irony. That's his old model, he's currently just using an orb png to represent himself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 06:10:31 2023 No.57812770 >>57812551 He's still using the orb? At this point, I think he just commissioned a new model and is waiting for it to get finished. Probably wants something inbetween orc and gay vampire to bridge the gap.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 06:11:19 2023 No.57812805 >>57772394 Ami or Lisa

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 06:16:46 2023 No.57813083 >>57811608 She collabs with male orbiters and meets up with them irl

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 06:48:40 2023 No.57814411 >>57771961 Yes. Chat is comfy. Regulars recognize each other and we are no longer insignificant strings of text in a sea of usernames. Oshi is actually having conversation with us. No male collabs so far. Life is good.

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 07:19:45 2023 No.57815414

The thing is that with corpos you have at least some accountability. With Hololive I know what I'm getting. With indies there's no telling what they might suddenly decide to do.
For example, an indie can decide to just disappear forever at the drop of a hat. Yes, that can also happen in corpos as we've seen with Vesper, but the chances are much slimmer, especially compared to 2views and lower.

At the end of the day, I'm sure there are wonderful indies out there that I would like. But time commitment is also a genuine concern. If it was a guaranteed "you'll find your oshi in 2 months of hard work", then that would be fine, but it's not. I may find someone I THINK I like, only for them to turn out to do something I don't enjoy. A waste of effort.

Another thing about certain corpos (and part of the reason Hololive are so popular IMO) is that they're the ones who tend to do CGDCT content. Not only do some of them segregate based on gender, they also have a pool of other similarly-focused chuubas. Meanwhile with indies there's no expectation surrounding that, and even if you find someone who sticks to it they'll have trouble finding others to collab with who stick to the same principles.

In short, it's just a lot of work to find exactly what I'm looking for, when Hololive is right there.

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 07:56:50 2023 No.57816473

Indie and small corpo niggers are actually the exact type of pathetic loser that people who don't watch vtubers think all vtuber fans are. My favorite vtuber is Marine from Hololive and trying to imagine her as an indie is just sad. She's still have her quick wit and unique personality but she wouldn't have the resources to express her creativity and passion through things like her top tier 3d lives, her varied and exciting original music projects, all the random impromptu shit like the second world seiyuu audition, etc. Imagining Marine as a random low 3view daily grinder streaming random gameplay and karaokes everyday while the same 100 weirdos try to groom her in chat would just be a miserable experience, the type of person who would somehow prefer that over the Hololive experience doesn't actually enjoy any of the interesting aspects of vtubing, they just want to feel like they belong to some mentally ill pico-eceleb barely disguised cam whore's inner circle because they're one of 20 people who regularly watch her streams and she remembers their name.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 08:45:27 2023 No.57817810 >>57816473 why are you so insecure about your chuubas? marine is a great girl to call your oshi.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 08:49:56 2023 No.57817942 No. Indies tend to open fan discords where they get groomed by super fans. They also end up collabing with shitty people and ecelebs.

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 08:51:43 2023 No.57817983

>>57816473
I can definitely see your point. I definitely think there's a sort of imagined virtue thing going on with indies, like they "ought to be more enjoyable because they're truer to themselves" kind of thing.
A sad fact of life is that sometimes you need money, resources and guidelines to bring out the best in someone or something. It's not fair, which is why I think many people reject this notion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 08:52:40 2023 No.57818004 >>57782358 Anon doesnt know she had a surgergy to remove a cyst around that are and lost an ovary in the process last month.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 08:55:12 2023 No.57818075 >>57813083 Grimm

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 08:55:52 2023 No.57818092

>>57817810
I have no idea what you're talking about. All I said is that Marine is my oshi in part due to things she can only realistically do as part of Hololive, and if she was stuck spamming normal gameplay streams solo or with a loose network of indie "friends" I wouldn't enjoy her content anywhere near as much and it would be a waste of her talents.

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 08:57:44 2023 No.57818139

>>57771961
Being able to ignore all the schizophrenic idiots by following the Orc man back to his indie world has been kind of refreshing. Watching everyone flip their shit over the new Holo group interacting with males makes me laugh and I just go back laughing at grandpa stories

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 08:59:08 2023 No.57818173 >>57793167 Call it especially unhealthy if you want, doesn't change the argument. >>57809801 Reality is more complex than "corpo bad", commie.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:01:05 2023 No.57818235 >>57773458 >indie >mythic orbiter that's essentially the same as being corpo you retard

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:01:25 2023 No.57818244

>>57817942
Yeah, the discord nonsense is also why I'm adverse to indies. It's just so tedious to feel like you have to participate in something beyond just watching streams to get the full experience.
>HEHE, do you guys remember what we talked about on the discord yesterday??? :D:D:D
No, I don't and fuck you for making it an expectation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:03:59 2023 No.57818306 >>57818139 I'm just glad we got rid of some of you people.

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:06:02 2023 No.57818375
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>>57771961
> If you went from watching corporate vtubers to indie vtubers
I didn't
> then why are you replying
I wanted to laugh at you

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:07:05 2023 No.57818410 File: 151 KB, 1448x305, not gonna watch your 2view.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57772432

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:07:09 2023 No.57818411

>>57818139
by making fun of hololive, you insult the hard work of other people that he owes his current viewership to. So he better just never speaks of the blue dorito again because he clearly wasnt cut out to garner this sort of crowd on his own.
So just shut the fuck up about the dorito and enjoy the numbers you leeched. If you do anything else, you directly insult Sora.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:09:42 2023 No.57818490 >>57818411 He never said anything about Hololive, you got baited by an out of context clip that he a pre-contextual red herring applied before hand you stupid fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:10:59 2023 No.57818523 >>57773914 the sheer seethe when the vsjfag finds someone that escaped their little plantation hilarious

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:11:48 2023 No.57818539 >>57818490 dont care, i dont watch hypocritic grifters.

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:13:07 2023 No.57818574

>>57818306
You people as in Tempus? There will be more, whether EN or JP. You just feel more threatened by EN because they speak your language eventhough they are gay. If you mean me as in other anons? You keep going out of your way to find us to talk shit, don’t understand why you are so obsessed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:14:45 2023 No.57818615 >>57818539 >He did this >He actually didn’t >Don’t care I won’t miss your kind, you will just keep wasting your life away being a paypig and die alone in your death bed wondering why you wasted all that time being mad about 2D characters

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:15:25 2023 No.57818631 >>57773583 >you have to spend 26 years scouring through the depths of Twitch before you can say you aren’t interested No

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:15:47 2023 No.57818645

>>57772432
>the chances of finding the best vtuber for you personally
I already found her 2 years ago.
Her friends are also fun people I watch from time to time.
It's awesome when all of them interact together as well.
2views have never been able to replicate this "Box" atmosphere despite starting multiple small corpos.

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:20:12 2023 No.57818760

>>57772432
Based. I still watch some Holos as long as there isn't much overlap in my schedule (name Gura, Mumei, Fauna and Bijou; Fuwamoco sadly keep escaping it but I'm also interested in them), but I feel myself much more at home watching a large number of vtubers from small corps.
Imagine oshiing numbers. Rumao.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:20:19 2023 No.57818762 >>57818615 >on debut say this is his dream job >leave his "dream job" for some dumb reason after getting a new model hypocritic grifter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:21:09 2023 No.57818783 >>57773583 you 2views remind me of MMOfags > you have to spend 100 hours grinding to get to the REAL game sorry, most of us have actual jobs and just wanna watch some cute girls and relax for an hour or two after work

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:22:10 2023 No.57818805 >>57818615 >YOU WILL DIE ALONE >why u so mad about 2D character Fucking lel

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:50:26 2023 No.57819487 >>57818574 No, "you people" as in ones who insist on mixed-gender collabs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:54:10 2023 No.57819600 >>57772432 I watch both.

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 09:54:14 2023 No.57819601

>>57771961
Yes
It's a cheerful atmosphere, more engaging, she streams regularly, she releases a schedule regularly, and unlike a lot of Indies she doesn't just talk about genitals
As fun as shitposting in /hlg/ every time they played sports in minecraft, or have a concert is, I don't really miss it that much

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 11:01:44 2023 No.57821609 >>57818139 its great. can enjoy the guy without some schizophrenic spamming in chat about Kronii or something

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 11:46:35 2023 No.57823170

>>57771961
i do still watch tenma and shiggy ui occasionally but still prefer holos. there's a certain baseline and predictability i can always count on hololive to provide. i enjoy the group dynamic and collabs, holoJP especially. kinda hoping that EN can establish a similar vibe now that there's more of them.
the only real downsides to holo are permission autism and management encouraging taking time off constantly and letting them be lazy as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 11:52:12 2023 No.57823380 >>57771961 my 2viewshi cries like a fucking baby when I dono to her twenty dollars. It's nice. 2views are mostly humble and that's a rare trait for women to have

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 11:53:16 2023 No.57823420 >>57771961 The only indie I watch is artemis of the blue

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 11:57:53 2023 No.57823590
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I only watch 2 chuubas nowadays, one is indie, other is from a small corp, they both work extremely hard and I love them, the reason I don't watch anyone else is just that I don't need to, feels good

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 12:01:59 2023 No.57823759

>>57777387
When Pikame lied about graduation and instead just changed her avatar.

That is when I have Vshojo
When you have entertainers that lie and belittle the craft. That is when you are watching the wrong type of content and should be focusing on content that is pure.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 12:04:51 2023 No.57823862 >>57771961 Yes, as a yuro it feels great when there are actually streams I can watch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 12:38:48 2023 No.57824997 >>57823759 >lied about graduation and instead just changed her avatar This has happened so many times but somehow Pikamee is the only time it was a bad thing

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 12:41:37 2023 No.57825084 >>57818244 Yeah, how dare they build a community and be directly involved in it Why can't they just ignore their fans like my perfect corpos???

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 12:42:53 2023 No.57825127 I don't give a shit if you're a big corpo, a small corpo or an indie. As long as you're on youtube I'm open to giving you a shot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 12:49:37 2023 No.57825354 >>57825127 I'd shill my favorites, but this thread is infested with retards so it'd be dangerous, considering one of them is a corpo 2view.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 13:02:22 2023 No.57825785 File: 223 KB, 325x294, 1641221814506.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >watch indie >she leaves within less than a year >watch corpo >she leaves within less than a year They're all the same

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 13:43:34 2023 No.57827344 >>57779209 >Mythic not an indie

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 13:47:25 2023 No.57827522 >>57772432 >people actually seething at this There are way too many twitterfaggot cocksucker newfags on this board.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 14:07:13 2023 No.57828391 >>57827522 >newfags This entire board was literally created because and primarily for Hololive since that was 99% of the vtuber discussion that was flooding /jp/.

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 14:28:54 2023 No.57829424

>>57771961
I started watching Anny recently after I got a random giftsub when I was checking out her subathon and decided to stick around. Her attempt at Elden Ring and Dark Souls 3 was pretty funny even though she has her schizo moments here and there, but I couldn't give less of a shit. I just want to watch a streamer suck at a game for 2 hours straight while chat laughs at them. I also started to get some Squchan clips recommended to me, she seems fine but something about here puts me off, I dunno what it is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 14:52:38 2023 No.57830675 >>57823380 >most vtuber models are cute/hot so women have to really exploit their talents to become at least 2views Vtubing really is the great equalizer

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 14:57:31 2023 No.57830930

I don't think I can get top tier entertainment like -
> Showa Kayousai
> Sister Marine
> Oozora Police
> Mariocart, PuyoPuyo and other Tournaments
> Sports Festival
> Summer Festival
> other Minecraft storylines
etc. if I watch indies.

Also whenever I see a hololive clip in my timeline, it's usually gonna be something funny or interesting, but when it's Ironmouse it's some react bullshit, when it's other VShojos, Bao or Shylily, it's horny or lewd shit, KSon is just irl shit now. Henya's fun occasionally but it's usually collab clips with people I don't really like, so I don't watch.

Clips of Tenma and Neuro are hilarious (Neuro's singing is nice as well), but their livestreams have way too much of a gap between interesting moments, which is the biggest issue I've had when it comes to watching indie/small corpo streams.

> watch my indie/2view
Shill me with a decent interesting clip and I might check her out. Majority of these indie seethe threads never have any sort of interesting clips or moments they can show to a potential audience (which is how Hololive grew initially).
I don't know why, but every single thread is like this. So much seethe, so little shilling.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 14:59:49 2023 No.57831057 File: 460 KB, 640x947, 1680895236753335.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>57772432

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 15:12:59 2023 No.57831822 >>57830930 >clip >clips

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 15:19:44 2023 No.57832195
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>>57831822
Yes.
Clips.
5-10 minute snippets of a stream that capture the "essence" of a chuuba enough to get new audiences interested in them.
The thing that made hololive popular in the first place.
And the thing that's still helping to keep Hololive in the minds of casuals and potential viewers.
The thing that several holo polls showed was the introduction of at least 40% of the existing audience to Hololive.
Those things.

It's the easiest way to spread the word if you're an indie with some specialty, and yet across the 100+ indie seethe threads I've seen on this board, not a single one had a clip to shill about this supposed mythically talented 2view of theirs.

Still waiting btw.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 15:44:39 2023 No.57833565 >>57779220 and you’re just a “popular good” faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 15:46:43 2023 No.57833680 >>57818783 >most of us have actual jobs >most Lmao

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 16:06:21 2023 No.57834633

>>57832195
i don't think you realize how distorted your view of vtubers becomes if you only experience them through the 100k views clips
for example, you believe kson is "just irl shit now" since that's the stuff that gets popular clips, you are completely unaware of her vtuber content existing because you let your perception of reality get filtered through what the most horny teenagers click

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 16:09:24 2023 No.57834781 WAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHH

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 16:18:35 2023 No.57835213 >>57828391 Are you telling me /jp/ sped up so much they made a containment board for the hot new topic?

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 16:36:48 2023 No.57836088

>>57834633
That's not what he said though. He said to use clips as a way of introducing someone to the vtuber by showing off their highlights, so someone can gauge interest in checking them out. Which is how the vtuber boom happened in the first place. The point of a clip is to funnel people into the main content

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 16:48:43 2023 No.57836689 >>57834633 still not seeing a clip 2viewchamas get the grind on or keep coping about it

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 16:50:32 2023 No.57836793

>>57834633
> you are completely unaware of her vtuber content existing
So?
I'm the customer.
If that's the content I keep seeing, that's the impression I'll get.
You can keep seething about it, but this is how a lot of people view her content.
Maybe her VTuber clips are just not that popular.
Not my fault, or that of anyone else getting those clips recommended.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 16:51:33 2023 No.57836848 >>57835213 yep, and that board became one of the fastest on the entire site, occasionally overtaking even /pol/ during big events. several of the THREADS on this board are faster than ENTIRE BOARDS

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 16:52:24 2023 No.57836890

>>57774379
Dumb take.

The "curated" part is similar to someone making a recommendation
>hey you like these chuubas, maybe you'll like these ones too.

Compare that to "discovering" new chuubas by randomly joining a stream in-progress
>i wonder when she'll say/do something interesting enough times to make me invested in her

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 16:53:05 2023 No.57836924

>>57772432
>there's minimal difference between "chuuba" and "chuuba, hololive"
Now this is cope, I get what you are trying to saying, but women having a manager and not having a manager is night and day
It's also the difference between twitch vs youtube.

Look, I like girls like shondo and purin, but they don't compare well to hololive just on a content delivery basis alone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 16:58:32 2023 No.57837194 I'm currently watching four: one Holo, two from Phase, one indie. The personality and entertainment value of the specific streamer is more important to me than their business association.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 17:15:07 2023 No.57838010 >>57836793 clipwatchers are not customers

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 17:28:21 2023 No.57838596 >>57835213 The problem is that instead of leaving it at just that topic, all vtubers were grouped into one board.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 18:05:35 2023 No.57840497 Yes

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 18:28:51 2023 No.57841572 >>57838010 clipwatchers turn into streamwatchers if the clips are interesting enough but yeah, guess there's a reason why 2views are 2views

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 18:29:36 2023 No.57841617 >>57771961 Found my oshi. Simple as.

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 18:33:41 2023 No.57841819

>>57771961
I didn't stop watching corporate vtubers since my oshi is still in a corpo but I do like the smaller indie communities and their streams. Also, the content isn't necessarily worse or better, it depends. I would say that corpos do have a lot of more expensive to make content that is really enjoyable and out of reach for indies.

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 18:57:28 2023 No.57842928

There like what, 60 vtubers in hololive? They are all regulated, vastly different personalities and i dont have to hear about their garbage political opinion on trannies + i dont have to deal with the literal trash pile that is twitch. Speaking of, there actually are a few non holos i love, but they choose to be on twitch so i wont support them

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 18:57:54 2023 No.57842944 >>57841572 severe "chuuba bad, chuuba blue dorito good" mindset t. unityfag

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 19:05:31 2023 No.57843314 >>57773186 >asked about indies >talks about vshoujo >hates react content >longtime mouse fan Flaseflagging

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 19:38:24 2023 No.57845124

>>57843314
>Vshojo marketed themselves as Indies. >Their founding members were indies who later joined hands to form a group.
So, technically Indies which makes the og anon a indie fan.
>Indie community hailed and praised them as heroes for being the opposite of JP corpos. Representative for indie vtubers.
>A lot of indie vtubers especially western indies do react content thanks to vshojo.

So basically anyone who doesn't agree with you is a falseflagger now right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 19:44:53 2023 No.57845487 >>57827522 >people engaging with the post and offering alternate viewpoints >characterise it as seething Are you even capable of discussion?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 20:01:15 2023 No.57846445 >>57836890 Don't strain your back limboing there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 20:04:09 2023 No.57846615 >>57845124 >react content thanks to vshojo Oh get the fuck out of here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 21:14:32 2023 No.57850865 >>57842944 > still no clips as expected 101 threads and it's the same old seething. Nothing will change. No one will watch your 2view.

Anonymous Tue Sep 5 21:14:53 2023 No.57850889
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>>57771961
>>57801999
Didn't he quit streaming at one point?
What gives? Normal work life not making him enough $?
Lonely?
Missing the parasocialism?

Honestly thought he would be focusing on his life rather than be a half ficticious wage-slave orc/goblin/ogre that is loosely based on his real life self.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 21:15:56 2023 No.57850946 >>57772432 lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 21:16:11 2023 No.57850971 >>57850865 >numberfag >doesn't understand how numbers work

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 21:21:23 2023 No.57851269 >>57845124 >indies like these corpos so it's okay for me to say they're indies they're indies >they started react content Okay. Falseflagger or actual schizophrenic

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 5 21:29:21 2023 No.57851699 >>57842944 ...anon, this is how it works. Or do you think that someone start watching, say, Nijisanji just because they woke up one day saying "I have a strong urge to watch a Vtuber that has a blue pacman puking rainbows as a company logo"

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