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57770576 No.57770576 [Reply] [Original]

All holos are ranked within tiers. I'm happy to elaborate on any placements you think are unusual.
Factors taken into account:
Breath control
Pitch
Vocal timbre
Diction
The undefinable concept known as "soul".

>> No.57770616
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57770616

This is a wonderful thread, thank you OP

>> No.57770641

>>57770576
move mumei up a tier

>> No.57770649

your "good singers" category is fucking whack, you should drop like half of them a rank

>> No.57770693

>>57770641
Hell no, she's mid

>> No.57770799

>>57770576
Ina is bad tier at best

>> No.57770807
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57770807

Shes top tier in SOVL. Love her destruction karaokes

>> No.57770891

>>57770616
Thank you Mikoposter
>>57770641
Mind citing your reasons as for why? She's very good, but I don't think she's as good as anyone in the top tier.
>>57770649
Elaborate.

>> No.57770970

>>57770576
>another retarded tier list
what a surprise

>> No.57771009

>>57770576
What about Holostars?

>> No.57771080

>>57770576
>Ame not in terrible
No...

>> No.57771106

>>57771009
I don't really know enough about any of the Stars to feel like I can accurately place them.

>> No.57771254

Would push Bijou lower, fuwamoco higher. Mumei lower.
After hearing Shiori 'sing', i think Fauna should be put a tier higher. She's been trying a lot lately, unlike the 'bookworm'.

>> No.57771282

>>57771106
You've clearly not let that stop you so far.

>> No.57771599

What's with the tier list spamming today?

>> No.57771749

>>57771599
Xitter trannys think you get paid by engagement everywhere.

>> No.57771995

>>57770576
Bae, Iroha, Ina, Ame, Noel down one
Okayu, FuwaMoco, Haachama up one

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only singing tierlist that matters

>> No.57772353

>>57771254
Nope still the same level, no amount of cope can fix that, sapling kun.

>> No.57772478

>>57770576
>Bae
What is this meme?

>> No.57772547

>>57770576
Nerissa too high baubaus too low, but you tried

>> No.57772604

>>57772012
Lesser men, let's goooo

>> No.57772912

>>57770576
Watson to the bottom tier, doggos to the top tier and this isn't that bad

>> No.57773001

>>57770576
Is this rated on live or studio skill? Because that changes a lot depending on who you're talking about
fuwamoco, kiara, mori, marine up
bae, towa down

>> No.57773477

>>57770891
>Elaborate.
drop mel, flare, polka, lui, roboco, iroha, nene and anya a tier

>> No.57773539
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57773539

>>57770576
>Miko
>bad
I will fight you

>> No.57773634

>>57773477
Mel doing her character voice is probably only okay, but have you heard Mel with limiters off? She's really good.
Polka gets to be where she is because of her range. She can sing very well in many different voices. Everyone else is fair, if subjective.

>> No.57773849

>>57770576
Iroha up to Top Tier please.

>> No.57774915

>>57770576
Godawful. Kill yourself.

>> No.57776129

>>57770576
Noel down. You're not gaslighting me into thinking she made it.

>> No.57776298

>>57770576
shiori, fauna and coco should up one tier because their SOVL is unbelievable

>> No.57776427

>>57770576
i would move mori up, i think her singing is better than her rapping.

>> No.57776881

>>57771080
Terrible at debut, bad tier nowadays. She is decent in the small vocal range she can actually handle.

>> No.57777854

Sora should be 1 tier up, her performance in alien alien is top tier shit, she shines in her upper range, D5-C6. Honestly still expecting a balls-to-the wall powerhouse to sing tonight we ride but that ain't happening sadly.

>> No.57778166

>>57770576
Noel should be in her own tier of bad.

>> No.57778391

>>57771995
Okayu is very on point when she practiced a song.

>> No.57778427

>>57770576
Swap Bae and La+, and Kronii and Bijou. Move Miko, Mori, and Fuwamoco up one, and Ame and Noel down one.

>> No.57778526

>>57770799
eh she's got a decent voice, she simply doesn't practice enough

>> No.57778809

>>57773001
Only consider karaoke but take their best ever performances. You get their studio skill without all of the alterations from the processing.

>> No.57778835

>>57770576
Gura is top tier.

>> No.57779038

>>57770576
I don’t think you’ve heard half these girls sing. Based on your own factors
>Mumei, Bae, Kobo, Chloe and Nerissa
All down a tier with Bae down 2. All of them are bad at live singing and their mixed stuff isn’t always good. And I can’t stress this enough Bae is awful at all the factors you gave it’s like a college athlete competing in the Olympics. Only reason I don’t push her down further is because the people in they’re okay who she’s better than but they aren’t mediocre so I won’t push them down
>Rushia, Lamy
Down a tier this is how knew you never listened to these girls
>Mori, Aqua, Korone
All of them up a tier even though they aren’t good singers based on your particular factors they aren’t bad at any of them. 6-7s in every attribute
>Kiara, Iofi, Ollie,
Down a tier and honestly Iofi should go down 2 but the inverse of the last one they have 0 range
>Subaru
Up a tier, this is the most baffling choice to me that you would think Subaru is a little better than bad and the only guess I can make is you using her voice without ever hearing her sing.
>Miko, Pekora, Haachama
All up a tier with Haachama up 2. This one I could understand if you didn’t put them on the same level as Noel, Luna, and Ame (actual order btw) which they are significantly better than. Also the order for mediocre is wrong just didn’t feel the need to rearrange

Based on the factors you chose I can’t deny the 4 at the top deserves their spot but that just shows this is a biased list. Sora is a better singer than Towa but if you’re giving points to vocal timbre her male voice being deep as well as partially gravelly wins out with the only person comparable being Mio who’s still growing as a singer.
IRyS is top tier in all those metrics, except soul, arguably better than the others in that tier but that’s all it is it sounds good it doesn’t pull people in like Gura which is why you put her at the back. People call that music for musicians versus music for people. Music for people wins out every time
Risu is praised as the best singer in Holo because of her skills but she’s worse than Moona. Moona is a one note singer but that one note is better than anything Risu can pull off even if she can do way more.
Lastly Suisei there’s nothing I can say that hasn’t been said before and that includes overrated. She has the best song in Hololive that despite people trying can only be captured by her voice. Suisei’s greatest strength isn’t her skill it’s that she makes good music that perfectly fits her, very few songs in Hololive do that with the only one off the top of my head being Caesura of despair which isn’t a good song and My song by watame. Listen to other songs like Capsule with Mori, or Getcha with Mori (mostly songs with Mori) her stats drop a fair bit because she’s not leading the song but the same can’t be said for AZKi she remains close to the same level regardless of song or composition
If a top 10 were to be made encompassing everything as a singer order would be
>Azki, Suisei, Sora, Gura*, Moona, Risu**, Okayu, Irys, Shion, Towa
*Gura could crack the top 3 and maybe reach number 1 but she’d need to at least reach Shion’s level of skill
**Risu seems like a natural talent her songs are great but unless she can make an amazing song that compliments her voice don’t see her in the top 5
Side note Kanata at her best is top 3 in the company and not 3 but she’s always dying

Song honorable mentions would be Reflect and Marine’s song which are at their best sung by them but are no where close to pushing them as singers. There are covers done by Okayu, Towa, Mio, and Sora that do that which shows the biggest weakness for most holos is they are bad at making songs.

>> No.57779116

>>57779038
FUCK YOU, it's tiresome hear you retards try to make excuses for their mediocre singing, you are a bunch of fucking simps pretending some deaf bitch a literal reject and other cripples can sing for shit, embrace that you have shit taste and stop dragging the name of the music industry through the mud by pretending these imbeciles desever a place on it

If you actually cared about singing azki wouldn't be the worst performing holo, and watame would be in units instead of fucking suisei, I'm tired of you shit, everything your shit hearing your shit opinions and your shit thread, all most all of these girls don't deserve a place in a record label, and most of them have sucked dick for backing vocals
I hope someone in the industry puts them in their place so they go back to pretending to enjoy Nintendo games or some other retarded shit

>> No.57779170

>>57773477
>Breath control, pitch, vocal timbre, diction and soul
These are the qualifications and using these they make it into good singer.

>> No.57779241

>>57779116
Faggot I put AZKi as the best singer in the company right now. Learn to read

>> No.57779305

>>57777854
the top tier is pretty much only full of subjective shit like timbre and "soul" while none of them is able to sing good in objectively hard songs like Sora did with Alien-alien, Taiyoukei Disco or Teo etc, you should always put priority on objective metric first which is technique before everything else otherwise it's just a shitpost

>> No.57779466

>>57770576
fine, let's do this
>risu -1, towa -1, irys -2
>sora-1, kanata -1, bae -1, gura -1, mumei -2, nerissa -1, chloe -1, watame -1, mio -1
>shion -1, mel -2, lamy -1, rushia -1
>mori +1, ina -1, aqua +2, ollie +1, fuwawa +1
>koyori -1, subaru +1, noel +1 (she's just pretending most of the time)
And I'm being very generous placing a lot of people that are just fine on "good singers" just so I can split above mediocre and below very strong in at least two categories that make sense.

>> No.57779536

>>57770576
As always the worst kind of thread

>> No.57779759

>>57779466
I actually agree with this

>> No.57780084

>>57779038
Bae's live singing is not as good as her studio singing, yes, but it's a wild exaggeration to call her awful. When she sings, even live, you can clearly tell from her intonation and diction (which is remarkably clear) that she has practice and talent and, most important, a gravelly quality to her voice that makes it stand out. She's very, very good at staying in her chest voice consistently, and consistently trills her words in a way that sounds very appealing, at least to me. Here's her singing kick back live for a bit of what I'm talking about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxSU-cg-hWM&t=4036s
Chloe gets to be where she is because of her range. It's absolutely technically impressive to be able to sing in two completely different tones competently, even if she doesn't particularly excel at either. Mumei's lack of talent at live singing is entirely because she's a spaz who constantly forgets things, but like I said one of the things that this list is taking into account is timbre and Mumei's vibrato and vocal quality is very, very powerful. I would feel extremely bad taking Mumei a step down when her voice has a quality to it no one else can match. Like it or not, uniqueness matters, perhaps even moreso than technique. Kobo is a good live singer. Nerissa isn't, but her studio stuff is, in fact, good enough for me to put her where she is.
I could maybe see the case for Rushia but Lamy's absolutely earned her spot. When she's not putting on the squeaky dog toy voice she's got great control and quality of voice.
Mori moving up is fair. I listened to her Skyfall karaoke again and yeah, she's better than I gave her credit for. Aqua and Korone deserve to be where they are. Aqua's voice has basically nothing unique about it whatsoever, and her technique isn't good enough to justify placing her higher in spite of this. Korone is fine where she is.
Kiara, Iofi, Ollie are all good at their specific niches and aren't trying to sell themselves as something they aren't.
I've heard Subaru sing before. And yes, she's only a little bit better than bad. Her voice has a raspy unattractive quality to it even when she's not putting on the character voice and she notably wavers and cracks at times.
People have memed too much on Noel being bad. Like, yes, she's not great, but I firmly believe she's on roughly the same level of at least Haachama, who repeatedly has voice breaks and functionally no vocal uniqueness about her. Pekora and Miko are too immersed in the character voices for anything else to matter.
Moona is not better than Risu, come on. Yes, Moona is very, very talented, but Risu is incredibly good. Even at the "one note" (belting) Moona excels at, Risu is better than her - can hold a note for longer and with higher vocal quality. Risu is also extremely talented at the "cute" voice she does and can switch seamlessly between the two, which adds to her talent. Ex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgVl3fpaUz4

>> No.57780172

>>57780084
Meant to post this link for Risu, sorry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6EOxFv-TQU

>> No.57780210

Shart-made tier list.

>> No.57780300

>>57779466
I've already addressed most of this in other comments, but you've clearly never heard Mel sing without limiters if you think she's mediocre.

>> No.57780688

>>57779466
>she's just pretending most of the time
Give me an example when she isn't pretending. You're never gonna convince me Noel is better than Miko or Haachama otherwise.

>> No.57780825

>Putting Marine, one of the most successful and beloved singers at "good"
fucking retard

>> No.57780831

>>57780688
Just compare most of her appearance in lives, with any karaoke streams she makes. Sure, Karaoke is always worse and there's no post-production, but that's not what I mean. It's pretty clear that she's doing the speak-singing thing on purpose and she can sing a melody just fine.

>> No.57780923

>>57780825
>Factors taken into account:
>Breath control
>Pitch
>Vocal timbre
>Diction
>The undefinable concept known as "soul".
Where do you see public reception or success there?

>> No.57780967

GO ANYA GO

>> No.57780981

>>57780825
She is good, anon. Her voice has a certain hypnotic quality to it, and I do love listening to her, but she's objectively technically lacking. I still really like her voice! That's why she's near the top of good!

>> No.57781182

>>57780084
NTA but that Bae example making me close my entire browser faster light. My guess is her voice just not for me.

>> No.57781293

>>57770576
This nigger really put FWMC in the same tier as Biboo

>> No.57781299

>>57781182
That's a shame. I guess it's not for everyone. I do personally think she's very good though.

>> No.57781320
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57781320

I LOVE MY OSHI

>> No.57781367

>>57773539
https://youtu.be/QFH0w_9ntaU?t=3733
one of the most self debuffed singers

>> No.57781438

>>57780084
> Breath control, Pitch, Vocal timbre, Diction, The undefinable concept known as "soul".
Using these 4+1 as the determining factor mixed with growth/consistency is how I made those changes. But if we’re adding uniqueness of vocal talent into play Gura has to go up a tier, Okayu has to go up a tier, FWMC have to go down and Bae still has to go down. If Kanata wasn’t under threat of death she’d go to number one.
Honestly the one point I won’t yield on is Bae being that high that’s objectively wrong. Her pitch is unrefined, and she is bad at utilizing her unique vocal timbre without help. Even if you consider her studio singing an 8 the best her live singing would deserve is a 6, personally I’d say 4, and if you compare to Shion who is a 7 in both the best bae gets is a tie. That said I’ve gone on record to say that if she took serious lessons she’d go from bottom tier to the best singer in Holoen as well as top contender in the company. It’s not that I don’t see her potential I’m just not blinded by it.

>> No.57781563

>>57779466
>irys -2
Deranged

>> No.57781683

>>57781438
To clarify, "soul" in this context was referring to uniqueness of vocal talent.

>> No.57781709

>>57781320
Sure you do

>>57781293
To be fair neither are good nor are they mediocre. Even if there level is different they have to be in the same tier

>> No.57781762

>>57770576
>Korone in ok
thanks for liking my oshi but she is mediocre tier, also you overestimated Wami, but it's ok, I like her too

>> No.57781786

>>57770576
Move Towa and IRyS down a tier and I'll agree.

>> No.57781884

How Towa's singing is so popular on this board mystifies me. I think it's unlistenable.

>> No.57781972

>>57770576
How the fuck is Ina in okay with Mori and FWMC while both is under lamy of all people. Might as well scrap the list and make a boobs I like better tier list.

>> No.57782018

>>57781884
gay

>> No.57782145

>>57781683
Oh I thought you meant emotion not uniqueness that changes everything. Then I stand by my statement but slight changes
>Up: Gura, Okayu
>Down: Bae, Moona IRyS
Bae should be behind Mio but I can give you her staying in the tier, Okayu should be ahead of Shion, Moona goes down a slot because IRyS is now the best of strong tier. Gura has to go up to top tier she’d be the least skilled but no one can deny that her unique abilities just enrapture people.

>> No.57782228

>>57781709
Is this a meme tier? Because you also put Okayu in the same tier as fucking Shion and below Bae for god sake

>> No.57782270

>>57781884
He rated her too high but towa is top 10 in the company. Not because she’s good the others are just bad and need practice

>> No.57782280
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love these threads full of pseuds that pretend to know what they're talking about

>> No.57782310

>>57781884
She brings real soul.

>> No.57782371

>>57782228
Not my tier list I just agreed that’s the only placement available. I have made a point that Bae should drop 2 tiers and Okayu up 1

>> No.57782476

>>57781884
>here
She's one of the most successful holos in terms of singing. As for why, her singing has a "always giving it my all" emotional quality to it that goes well with her voice, and that resonates with people easily. Also, her timbre is unique (for hololive). I'm not a fan of her singing either, in fact I'm more on your side. I find her singing kind of unpleasant more often than not, but I can see why she's popular. Even I was moved by her singing a few times.

>> No.57782727

>>57781884
>How Towa's singing is so popular on this board mystifies me. I think it's unlistenable.
Girls singing tenor is sexy

>> No.57783713

>>57770576
The more I listen to Holosingers and VSingers the more I think AZKi is the best in Holo and I don't think it's close.

>> No.57784399

>>57771009
kys

>> No.57784503

>>57770576
https://youtu.be/Ix_uXN_ybxc?si=4eQ0Aw6gcLZuxR-U
Thoughts?
I know it's studio recording but Hoshikawa already sounds like she belongs in very strong singers.
Blonde>Red>Superflat>Tomboy>Twintail feels right to me

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>>57770576
Fixed your list OP.

>> No.57785111

>>57784808
Mumei has nothing on Towa silly hooman.

>> No.57786435

>>57784808
>Risu tier is a class of her own
This tier list i can only agree, except mori should be put on mediocre tier since im not hating her that much

>> No.57786529

>>57784808
I know this is a bit but I don't understand why anyone would ever think Mori is worse than fucking Coco.

>> No.57786557

>>57770576
Have a (You), retard.

>> No.57786701

>>57779466
Fix your ears.

>> No.57786749

>>57780084
I don't understand why people think Bae is good and I feel I never will.

>> No.57787016

Singing tier lists are so shit. If you ranked them by music and musical career, no one would hold a candle to AZKi, Suisei, and Mori. Sora, Towa, and Kanata would be closest, though. Honestly why would I care about how well they can sing if they're not making catchy music that goes along with it? You can sing like an opera singer yet it means little if you do nothing with it outside of covers and karaoke streams.

>> No.57787159

>>57779466
I wholeheartedly agree with this post

>> No.57788304

>>57779038
Suisei rapping in the Getcha cover is incredibly hot though

>> No.57788402

>>57780825
Marine is the Holo equivalent of an indie singer with a very unique vocal tone that people enjoy, she’s not the best in a technical aspect.

>> No.57788487

>>57770576
Considering Mori and Suisei are the only ones with a semi-successful music career I'd put those 2 in a special position at the top.

>> No.57788597

>>57770641
A New Start is gorgeous, she sounds like a Disney Princess

>> No.57788735

>>57770576
Kronii has been given shit songs.

Her Young and Beautiful from her karaoke suits her so much. They just need to make songs for her that are just that

>> No.57788765

>>57784808
Kobo is a Mediocretier. She can't sing difficult songs, so Gura is good at singing difficult songs.

>> No.57789214

>>57770576

I honestly never vibe with Aqua's voice because I felt like she put no technique into it but if that's her tier then okay.

>> No.57789451

>>57770576
>okayu that low
opinion discarded
dont care for the rest

>> No.57790168

>>57788487
>Unironically thinks Mori became successful due to having a "top tier talent" and not because she's a wigger that took advantage of Japan's lack of gaijin rapping market

>> No.57790337

>>57790168
>it's so easy bro any tuber can do it and be as successful as mori

I'll defer my agreement with you when I see it

>> No.57790578

>>57770576
You obviously just did "s" tier then just threw the rest in randomly. At least try a little

>> No.57791262

>>57784808
Infinitely better just because that disgusting cow mori is at the bottom.

>> No.57791729

>>57770576
>Towa in the top ranking
Instantly invalid.

>> No.57792567

>>57770807
Source? SauceNao, Google, and Yandex all come up empty

>> No.57796190

>>57770576
Put Miko up in orange tier you fucking faggot.

>> No.57796193

>>57770576
who cares

>> No.57796960

>>57780825
She's not good, really her charm is her mv and loopable dance routine combined with sex. Her voice alone couldn't carry song.

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Oh please allow me, gentlemen! as a Novellite, I would like to give my two cents on this topic!
Go ahead, and feel free to express your opinions!

>> No.57797204

>>57790578
pretty sure he just put IRyS in first then the rest is random, kind of obvious from the insistence in TECHNIQUE

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>> No.57801997

>>57779038
Curious at why would you put Okayu at top 10? Don't get me wrong, I too think she deserve it, even top 5 if I'm being honest. I also agree on Risu, she's an incredible singer but her voice is very generic.

>> No.57802442

Can you guys actually sing? I'd imagine an actual singer would understand what makes a singer good be it from the technique or their sense of musicality

>> No.57802541

>>57798673
you can't be serious about this while having gura in SS

>> No.57803834

Flare is a weird one. Up until mid 2020 her singing was great and her karaokes were kino. Then she deleted everything, had all clips taken down, and started singing up 2 octaves and with some whack timbre. She can absolutely be in the top echelons, she just…. chooses not to???

>> No.57804984

Bae's a million miles away cover ruined that song for me, it's so fucking bad

>> No.57805790

>>57788304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps3E2VrpO7c

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>Kronii on the same tier as Kaela

>> No.57811963

>>57770576
Fuck you, Subaru has sovl.

>> No.57812203

You'd just think with how much of a hardon Mori has for music she'd actually be able to sing.
>inb4 she's a rapper
So is eminem.

>> No.57812339

>>57779038
Such a tremendously good analysis. Thank you.

>> No.57812531

>>57770576
>Miko that low in the same tier as Ame
You people are fucking retarded. It's like you have never listened to a Miko song and just rate her based on her funny voice. You know that her version of Stellar Stellar is an act right? It isn't indicative of her actual skill.

>> No.57812603

The actual top 5

1. IRyS
2. Risu
3. Sora
4. AZKi
5. Suisei

>> No.57812880

>>57780084
Great take, I do however disagree with your tale on Subaru, while yes her voice does have a raspiness when she hits her range she is very strong, and frankly one of the most surprising things about her.

>> No.57813093

>>57770576
tier list is the worst thread ever

>> No.57813153

>>57770576
>Irys top tier.
lmao, no

>> No.57813710

>>57770576
Everyone from bad should be on terrible.
Kronii should be on good or higher.
Roboco is mid.
Towa is okay.
The Doggos are absolutely amazing. Even the nips were losing their shit when they heard them sing.
Nerissa is not that great.

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