It's over for HLZNTL.

[Anonymous No.]

Aqua just said in her stream that she's not gonna join it.
>be Cover
>make an esports project
>your most popular talent that is into esports won't even join
fucking kek
It's no wonder they had to get people who don't even play FPS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
Based retard onion

[Anonymous No.]

HLZNTL just keeps crashing and burning. It's such a massive flop and universally hated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
Just because she plays ape sex once in a while doesn't mean she's into esports.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
Not to worry, the managers will come in and "convince" her that it's really important and that she should do it.

[Anonymous No.]

Based Akutan
Rab u onyan

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
Can I get a QRD on this HLZNTL thing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675395
She watches tournaments and checks the meta for each season.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
Along with Aqua, other 3 holos have confirmed to not join.
>Luna
>Lamy
>Koyori

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675395
She's probably Hololive's best ape sex player and that's in spite of how autistic she is dealing with others and being part of a team.
If she isn't esport adjacent then no one is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675397
I don't think the managers are that retarded, Irys is a gaijin that they can push around and Lui is a hag that fears black companies so she'll just listen to anything, Aqua is a retarded but her fans outnumber the management too much for them to make something like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675397
It's too late for management now. Aqua has publicly declared her stance. If she joins later on, her fans would put all the blame on Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675472
it's cover coming up with a platform to make game sponsorships into a format and showcase it to the hololive audience, receiving cashmoney in return. I assume it pays well, for cover and talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
It’s not like she actually streams regularly anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

Translation is a bit wrong imo, it should be i have no plans on joining it yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
This is so stupid, you mean to tell me they came up with this whole
>No borders, gender or boundaries community
And didn't gauge interest from the holos beforehand? They had to come begging for girls to fill the tourney 3 days before it took place and now one of the few holos who is actually good at these type of games is saying she has no plans to be part of it.

Did they really need a whole new half baked platform, branding and website to just get the odd esports adjacent sponsor? At this rate it doesn't look like it is going to be a regular thing unless they force towa/botan/festival in every single one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675397
Aqua is too big, has made/makes cover too much money for them to try to hamfistedly boss around. Making her want to leave by pushing this shit on her won't work, she'd just go gura and ghost everyone whilst still making passive bank.
Will will try to bully others though as
>>57675592
said. IRyS blows whichever way the wind pushes her bilut hopefully the blowback helps her harden some resolve.
Nene may or not cave again to her cunt manager's coercion.
Is that thing about not even Fubuki following hrxntl on shitter true?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675909
what did she say in japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>57676094
I need to wait for the stream is over and reconfirmed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57676074
They've been planning this for a while. Nene's valorant bs goes back what, 2months? Nearly 3? So say since the start of the year at least.
They've had enough time to know this shit won't fly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57676134
i be waiting

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675909
Hi Cover intern. Which holos you will force to attend this shit next?

[Anonymous No.]

Why are nijiniggers so desperately attacking HLZNTL?
Afraid of losing even more marketshare?
Pathetic lol

[Anonymous No.]

>project that corporate came up with
>it sucks
whoa

[Anonymous No.]

>>57676091
Just checked and she doesn't follow them but then again I don't think anyone involved with it has followed, it's an extremely small account. To put it into perspective she currently has the blue journey stuff as her banner and is hyping it up in her intro in streams while the horizontal thing she's mc'd for twice she barely mentions outside of the stream itself. Also, isn't the whole nene thing just because of her manager rather than managment as a whole? Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember nene's manager doing a lot of stupid shit and overall being an ass that nene has complained about before, if anything fire them and get her another one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675395
Aqua and Botan are literally the only good gamers they have. Who the fuck is going to play in this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57676345
Anon, no one likes HLZNTL. It's getting shat on by pretty much everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57676444
who asked for your opinion?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57676624
meant for >>57676410

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675582
She's a pub stomper and that's it. She flamed out of the only apex tourney she was in and it was mostly her fault. Tourneys are just not her thing.

[Anonymous No.]

HLZNTL is a stark reminder of how far Matsuri has fallen after she fumbled the bag with Luna.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
Horizontal homos smothered in the cradle

[Anonymous No.]

<3

[Anonymous No.]

>>57676410
? More like your internal problems, no one outside cares about your failed project

[Anonymous No.]

>>57676091
Barely anyone is following it
Just matsuri really

[Anonymous No.]

>>57676447
I think Fubuki just sees that MC stuff as just another job, she doesn't particularly care about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57676199
That just makes it even more mystifying as to why they would plow on ahead with it. The way it was announced what with the mission statement and supporter guidelines it almost seemed like (and homobeggars hoped for) some kind of sea-change, now it turns out top FPS holos are ignoring it and for all their waffle about gender not being an obstacle the very first mixed collab ran into all the issues every other mixed collab runs into - with talents being left to damage control in their own fanbases assuring them they wouldn't be actually "playing" with the men.

Embarrassing for all involved, especially now talents are spilling the beans about being pressured into getting involved in the first place. I hope this means it's already dead in the water but what a waste of time and resources even if it is.

[Anonymous No.]

i miss old matsuri so much

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
She is am employee, if the higher ups demands her to join she will comply because thats how working under a corpo works

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677316
I think they were going for the boiling the frog tactic. Slowly try to normalize including guys into the mix but it backfired pretty hard cause those retards decided to just curbstomp the girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677572
Because they have so much more experience in OW as well. Again, why do it?

[Anonymous No.]

We're seeing who has enough weight in the company to be able to refuse. And those that if pushed too hard would rather just quit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675582
I maintain my stance from a previous thread about enjoying watching or sometimes participating(towa) but using hololive as a way to escape the drama that inevitably pops up in e-sports spaces
>>57676447
they don't fire the bad managers they just shuffle them around when enough complaints are made. they worked with the guy who fucked up gura and anya's rigging all the way up to her atlantis outfit

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677231
Oh definitely, said so herself. Just saying that most of her sponsers she usually promotes quite a bit and has said she likes mc'ing in general, but with this it's just a job and done situation. Still, it's funny to see that she doesn't even really seem that interested in the project despite being in both collabs so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677372
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677316
People like to meme about omega being gone but the reality is far more likely that the whole goal was to use en as an experiment with the intention of eventually merging hololive and holostars.

Meaning the same morons in charge of creating tempus are likely still active in cover and potentially on the jp side. holizontal is likely their attempt to re-attempt their mission after they finally had their first attempt fail

personally I blame cover going public. now they're drinking the retard coolaid juice about "divirsifying" their business. No cover, your business is cute silly anime girls, stick to your business and leave other parts of the entertainment industry to those who actually understand how to do them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
If Cover wanted to get into e-sports then they should have just hosted their own e-sports tournament with no involvement from their vtuber talent. Because involving the talent was never going to work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677893
>No cover, your business is cute silly anime girls, stick to your business and leave other parts of the entertainment industry to those who actually understand how to do them.
They want the VSPO slice, and unfortunately, most of hololive doesn't like that shit. Unless its something like STARTEND which got bigger from idol work than the actual source, you will not see this shit fly for members. Hell, I don't even think EN partakes in this e-sports shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677949
>unfortunately, most of hololive doesn't like that shit
You mean fortunately.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677893
i disagree with this rrat because EN has way too many woke talents for it to be an accident, and a jp mane wouldn't aim for that kind of person. whoever was responsible for that mess is western.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57676676
i didn't give an opinion

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677991
Unfortunately to the higher ups. Most holomembers hate this shit. Towa, Laplus, and Matsuri also don't go in tournaments that often either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677949
>They want the VSPO slice
What slice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677893
>>57675819 this is the only purpose

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675592
Especially now that Aqua fired the first shot as it were. Meaning if she does join, there will be suspicions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675397
100% they asked themselves and are now backtracking after backlash

[Anonymous No.]

>>57676611
tower.......

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone got the Aqua version of this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678063
The "esports" slice

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678065
okay, but wheres the part where you explain the necessity of having holostars in these sponsored streams?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677893
>personally I blame cover going public
Pls stop this retardation talking point, cover going public is inevitable since they have internal investor that forced them to either sell cover corp to them or going public, yagoo already talk about it. Going public are the minimal damage they can contain and now they need to understand what make hololive hololive. They need to stop those retarded investor idea from corrupting hololive and make it into quick soulless cash grab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677893
You're saying this as if Holostars didn't exist along with male collabs since the early days of Hololive. They haven't started this type of stuff recently, they have always done it, and they're not close from ever stopping, we've seen this setup dozens of times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678208
Not sure what this has anything to do with HLZNTL

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678267
>They need to stop those retarded investor idea from corrupting hololive and make it into quick soulless cash grab.
What makes hololive fun is the aspect of how every member gets along, and they can make chit chat a big deal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678258
The HLZNTL shit is under the HoloPro branding, thats why the stars are there also.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677893
I think it's pretty safe to say the experiment failed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678258
Because homos have a different audience, and the advertiser will usually share which audience, sex, age, income, lifestyle etc they want to advertise to. Maybe it would just be girls if the strongest audience for the product matches them, maybe homos had to be brought in to match Blizzard audience requirements.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678312
BASED, thank you bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677893
Omega or whoever the fuck, being given free reign to try to push the "holopro" integration on the cash cow JP side after so completely failing to do so on the EN side would be a decision so utterly retarded I struggle to think even cover would allow it, or that shareholders would accept it.
I don't buy that merging is the ultimate goal but clearly some dumb suit seems to think you can make your idols moonlight as pro gamers playing with males and ecelebs and as long as you separate the branding somewhat gachis will keep paying whilst ignoring their oshis "other job"
Delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678349
And it unironically will keep failing because nobody likes those streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677572
From what I've heard, the guys were already going easy on them. You ask a team to play with one hand tied behind their back, but you can't ask for them to chop all their limbs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
not only aqua but miko, subaru, and marine will never ever join it. these never collab with homos anymore. possibly suisei could but she wont without aqua and pekora will never except for possibly an mc event.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678283
>You're saying this as if Holostars didn't exist along with male collabs since the early days of Hololive. They haven't started this type of stuff recently, they have always done it
Nice try, sister. Male collabs have always been extremely rare in Hololive, caused problems, and benefited absolutely no one. The only reason they ever happen is because some moron at Cover wants to force them even though they've never worked and never will work. That moron has completely lost his grip on Holo EN however, and after the massive failure of HLZNTL they might lose their grip on Holo JP as well.

[Anonymous No.]

why would aqua join it? she's not cut out for e-sports

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675397
And by convince they will fuck her until she gets pregnant
GET PREGNANT ONION
GET PREGNANT
YOU LITTLE SLUT

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678540
Pretty sure these members will never join
>Marine
>Pekora
>Flare
>Noel
>Luna
>Lamy
>Koyori
>Aqua
>Suisei
>Subaru
>Miko
>Aki
>Kanata
>Polka

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678668
They will only go after members that are easy to convince.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678668
>Aki
>Polka
>Suisei
These three literally actually collabed with homos within the past year.
At least do your reasearch before making up random lists, unicuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678668
pekora really seemed to enjoy that minecraft thing with males...

[Anonymous No.]

Just debut gamer girls actually suited for the project and exclude the homos. Problem solved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678879
I was referring to e-sports, not your delusional thingy with males.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
This should have always been a homo only project. They are obviously better at games(duh), there wouldn't have been all this drama and if management really cared about helping stars then this could've actually been something unique to that branch that could've helped them stand out as streamers. Sure, the popularity would have been low but I think there was a possibility for the project to grow.
This is why I believe the shareholders rrat, homo only is probably how this was intended to be from the beginning. There is no way someone thought to put IryS into an esports project unless that someone has no fucking clue of what the fuck esports even is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675397
any one of the larger holos could leave and go indie or join another corp and take a large part of their audience. it would also look really bad for cover. they lack the leverage to really pressure the larger holomems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678938
>Suisei
>Not joining and try harding a competitive event
Explain your reasoning

[Anonymous No.]

>>57679001
Just have Fabuki mc a stars match and no one would be worried and have to make statements. Talents or fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57679003
>any one of the larger holos could leave and go indie or join another corp and take a large part of their audience
Didn't Rushia try that and is now even more menhera over it not working

[Anonymous No.]

>>57679001
>This should have always been a homo only project.
Please never get into business. If the numbers for this were bad, even though it included the Holo girls, Homo only numbers would've been abyssmal.
Why would a sponsor pay to get a 2k ccv top on an event like this?
The shit would've been canned right after the first stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>57679030
The only time she joined tournaments outside of hololive was with Aqua. She has absolutely zero interest in esports.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57679107
i knew rushia was coming. she got fired for doing stuff that looked bad, and look at how she treats her fans. she's her own worst enemy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678927
pekora pollsibly could join it if its an mc event but i dont think jp mc streamers work for just one hour holo event and collab with holomens. also holomens who are good at mc are a few. only pekora, flare, and gozaru. flare and gozaru never join a homocollab. otherwise okayu and luna are getting better at it both never do a homocollab either

[Anonymous No.]

>>57679194
Retard. If tomorrow Sega pay the talents to play Puyoteto, she will enter the tournament.
Contrary to what braindead westerners think "e-sport" isn't just the 3 same big fps games that are around atm

[Anonymous No.]

All the sluts minus the usual suspects who joined the Overwatch one did it 'cause they're money-loving whores.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678927
Laplus/Botan/Chloe/Kanatan/Pekora were in that. When did Polka do that collab?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
better image

[Anonymous No.]

>Unicorns hate it
>Sisters hate it
>normies hate it
>reddit hates it
>/MANS/ hate it
>Twitter hates it
The only ones who actually like this idea are people who legitimately want to see Hololive crash and burn because they think that will help their favorite indie slutchuuba.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
Aqua doesn't have a problem with male collabs and doesn't have a problem with shilling trash games.
I wonder what is happening behind the scenes that is so bad even her doesn't want to be part of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57679657
>Aqua doesn't have a problem with male collabs
Watch streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>57679001
the stars being able to host their own tournaments with backing from cover would have been cool. I'd watch them as long as they weren't overwatch

[Anonymous No.]

>>57679297
no do you even know holomens were practicing it for the previous puyoteto event.

[Anonymous No.]

Not surprised with aqua, she is the type to avoid controversy. Last time she joined vsai because she got a lot of positive comments from people wanting her to join after her master run. But even then she tries to avoid any controversy by asking viewers to not talked about her in other people's streams. The girl is scared shitless by all the ridiculous yab she had before and with how toxic the holizontal project become, it's pretty much ng for her. She would probably join vsai rather than holizontal project kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57679788
Holy ESL

[Anonymous No.]

>>57679608
At this point its better to watch it die than to bring more light to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57679657
There was backlash, simple as.
Same with the smash bros thing where she went out of her way to play with a male but then cried when it didn't go as planned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677893
Cover has always been incompetent and just stumbled into success.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
Based Aqua

[Anonymous No.]

>>57679950
you lost argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680075
Cover is a company that will throw shit at the wall, but they can find gold through scouting. This comparison sucks, but they remind me of Cartoon Network with the way they run things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57679193
Dude you don't even have a job don't fucking try and lecture me like you have any idea of what you are talking about. Especially when you didn't even read what I wrote.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680114
not to argue but I agree with him, it's hard to understand what you are trying to say

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680075
classic cover with their d-rank int and wis but s-rank luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680268
A little luck can go a long way

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680229
>Dude you don't even have a job
Holy projecting kek. Is everything good at home, Anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680160
Don't kid yourself that's a pretty decent comparison. Great shows, pretty bad decision making, only difference is hololive still puts out good talents depending on the crowd you ask.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678574
Absolute delusional rewriting of history. Sora had already male collabed within her first few videos.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are EOPs seething so much at this? It's a JP thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680311
Because they believe Gura will join in on this or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680311
>It's a JP thing
>IRyS in it
No it's not. Inb4 "she's like a JP member to them." Shut the fuck up IRyS is EN, it is now a global thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680364
Gura doesn't participate in normal collabs or solo streams and they are worried about homo collabs? lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680293
Better than being homeless like you Anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680442
Good one Anon. Let's hear about what you currently do for a living, now

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680499
>what you currently do for a living
your mom

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680527
Gigolo is a good job, gratz Anon. How much for taking in the ass? I'd like to try to see how tight your asshole is

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680114
NTA, but I have no idea what you were trying to say either. You need to brush up on your English skills more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677949
Isn't VSPO only now getting any real traction because they're, ironically, playing with idol shit like Hololive at least to a small degree with concerts etc.?
I read that here but have no knowledge on the subject.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
HOLY BASED

[Anonymous No.]

>>57679197
Coco

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680678
From what I do know, yes. Their 3D debuts were very good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680630
To be honest I was expecting a necrophilia joke. As for the ass stuff that's your loss, I like spicy food.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57679194
>Outside of hololive
It’s only hololive and the homostars

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680412
IRyS is under jp management.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680755
Doesn't matter. She's in the EN branch, she's EN. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680678
Yes. There's been more songs, the 3D debuts were much more Hololive-esque and whilst not completely, they've moved towards playing more casual games more often. They still play competitive games a lot, but there's definitely been a shift.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
At the end of the day, losing Hololive’s identity just to promote more dudes probably doesn’t sit well with a lot of them. Lots of them were grinding for years and only got views when they cosplayed or showed some titties. That’s the image female streaming has.

Also this Esports shit still will only serve to try and promote the other teams unless it’s holos vs holos (stars not included) since they are gonna be losing a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680704
>>57680839
>hey we've got this winning formula that everyone else is trying to copy
>LET'S DO WHAT THEY WERE ALL DOING THAT MADE US LEAVE THEM IN THE DUST THAT'LL BE A GREAT IDEA!!!1one
fucking retards
>nijisanjiEN
>VSPO
who else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681103
NijiEN changed their formula?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680311
IRyS is EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681103
it could also be jap business men being years behind as usual. maybe that fax saying e-sports is big right now finally got received

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680412
The stream ls in japanese though. Why are EOP fags acting like they watch it and are mad? It's so easy to ignore. Let it die from lack of interest. Don't try to make trouble for the girls. That's a nijisister mindset

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681232
No one is making trouble for the girls, retard. All criticism is being focused at Cover's retardation to think anyone wants this garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

Cover intern should literally go look at #’s so they can stop their shitty VSPO push already. Some of VSPO’s streams chat movement is worse than some 2views have when they are supposed to have thousands of viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675397
Remember the top 20 holos make 60% of the companies revenue.
There are holos management cannot touch I'd say
>pekora
>miko
>marine
>suisei
>subaru
>aqua
Maybe
>gura
And any of other holos that are closely affiliated with them like lamy, noel etc
Everyone has a bottom line, the top 20 are covers bottom line they won't pull the "insist hard" on them as some of these girls have shown overtime how stubborn they can be, by just fucking off without care of the world.
Cover is deseprate to make the homos incline but they will never force the big holos, thus they go for mid/low tier once ALL of EN except gura falls in this category, ofcourse these girls can refuse but they need to be adment in their decesion. i think cover sees this as a way for bottom tier girls to incline too or atleast make more money with sponsers, it might seem like a win on paper but dosent really work in practicle because they are hitting all the wrong boxes, the existing audiance is not interested in this and cover/talents is too half assed with it to attract new audiance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681232
Nah the niji mindset is to praise Anycolor and come up excuses for them even if they are making trouble for their livers

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681396
Lamy a few months ago (around the time Nene started going hard on Valorant) had this weird ass talk about maybe being forced to collab with men in the future but a day later she reassured the yukimin that she would never do it. Now that we have more context it's likely that management tried to "convince" her to join this garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681396
>Cover is deseprate to make the homos incline but they will never force the big holos
If you can't get them to incline ever then why keep trying?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681351
Bullshit. People want Bae dead because she acknowledges Homos

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681517
No one knows. People say it's the investors forcing Cover to diversify but anyone can see how utterly grim the homos numbers are compared to the girls so I find it very hard to believe that a handful of Japanese suits have such a homolust to risk hurting the girls popularity only to make someone like Uyu more popular.

>>57681588
Oh great, a beggar who took some random shitposter's words as gospel and thinks it represents the entire fanbase. Also this has nothing to do with the hlztl garbage so I don't know why the fuck you brought this up.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm so tired of these faggots in management who think it'd be a good idea to try and go for more mixed and eceleb collabs and tournaments
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681517
Insanity that's why

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680688
Maintained most of her audience
With the exception of reddit meme review and her graduation she was never a heavy hitter in regard to ccv

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681588
No one cares enough about bae to want her dead cept in one schizo shitpost you probably read on here that you took literally because you are a reddit faggot and need to go back.

[Anonymous No.]

>esports
>vtuber esports

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681748
She was always a 4-7K person when streaming. Problem is that she's not that great when alone. She needed people to bounce off of.
>>57681677
>only to make someone like Uyu more popular.
Thats the first time i've actually heard his name. Holostars are so irrelevant I only know like, three of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681504
She basically said that
>professional collabs ok
I am guessing they do not want another rushia situation and drew a line, none of these girls homo friendly or not will ever admit about having a boyfriend or whatnot it is completely irrelevant to their content, by drawing such an obvious line they are setting a precident for hardcore scizos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681588
>Muh poor Bae
Gonna act like the Homobeggars and how they got pushed out by big bad unicorns when Mori and Gura have been facing Antis from the get go?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681748
more than 50% of her audience left when she joined that whore agency.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681793
Those 301 he has here is like double the ccv he usually gets. It’s the same as not knowing a random 3 view streamer desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681793
Uyu is an unironic 2 view sometimes

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681588
Bae's two biggest issues is that
1. She's so damn boring and
2. She plays way too many long JRPG's

Nothing against her, but Bae just doesn't stick out. Her singing is so good but she doesn't build off of it. And when she does sing, its not for long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681793
Uyu is so irrelevant he's the only talent under Cover that still hasn't hit 100k subs and before the minuscule sub boost he got from hlztl the predicted time was between mid-2025 to early 2026. Now I think it's late 2024 but he'll go back to his normal glacial growth and push that back to the original predicition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681920
Id say her content just got bad overtime and her joining vshoujo whose talents had talked shit about hololive before made it so that the remaining holoaudiance dropped her.
And the way hololive works is very unique they are pushed up by the environment itself, people want to see them interact with each other and leaving hololive completely destroys that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681999
Talking about "glacial growth"
https://p2y.jp/vtuber-group-holostars-slumped-to-300-youtube-increase-subscribers-in-last-week-the-smallest-in-the-history-of-our-tally/

[Anonymous No.]

>be Cover
>barely hire any decent gamers at all
>make e-kek project
>girls who are shit at games are forced to participate
>not fun to watch
>most people dont like it
What did they mean by that? How about hiring good gamer first? I expect DEV IS to be a gamer gen of a separate group since they have a separate channel from HoloEN/JP/ID but i dont know how this could work, if this shit flops...what are they gonna do with DEV IS?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681999
He's so irrelevant I don't even know what he looks like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57682291
Yeah, I saw that. That's straight up gore, Jesus Fucking Christ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57682334
Cover is retarded and is throwing all sort of things at the wall hoping it hits, HLZTL can be a good idea but there current implementation is absolutely terrible and something no one wants.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57682334
>if this shit flops...what are they gonna do with DEV IS?
Pretend it never happened and treat them like a normal gen

[Anonymous No.]

>>57682334
>>57682443
Reminder that INNK and IryS are/were a thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>57682521
INNK was mistreated badly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57682521
Exactly

[Anonymous No.]

>>57682334
>I expect DEV IS to be a gamer gen
>when the live house motif has been on all their teasers
Based retardo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681372
yeah, they even go as far to bot the 5ch threads. crazy stuff!

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
BASED CUTE ONYAN

[Anonymous No.]

>>57682521
Suisei...i cant believe they repeated this shit with Irys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57682072
also the fact that Coco with Hololive environment makes her extremely unique where the same kind of content in the agency of whores and other western women just means they got another twitch whores no 9812370912 who happened to be in Hololive before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680310
>Absolute delusional rewriting of history.
Yeah that's what you're trying to do, sister. Hololive become wildly popular when they realized CGDCT was the golden formula. But every now and then some retard tries to poison the formula by pushing male collabs and they have to be beaten into submission.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675395
And you think some of the shitty homos and the curbstomed girls at fps are? They should've just invested in 1 fps team with Towa, Roboco, Astel with substitutions depending on the game

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681588
>People want Bae dead
Nobody wants Bae dead. But she'll always be a runt with a low ceiling because she openly lusts for Homostars.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678208
The Zhang fears the onyan

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
>anon is suprised that the introvert isn't joining a group project
Sasuga retarded anonymii

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
BASED NIJIKILLER

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675472
What >>57675819 said. Anon is just salty because it includes holostars.
>anon, believing that people can fuck over standard tcp/ip and that men and women can't interact without fucking...

[Anonymous No.]

>>57679778
A while ago they did a SF6 tournament that was actually good because all of them grinded ranked beforehand. But Holostars is much more able to do esports. None of the Hololive girls are good at games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57682780
I don't deny that retard.
But you are saying the management is the only force behind it, ignoring some girls just don't want to do GFE and want to be closer to the variety entertainer Hololive and Vtubers in general were at the start.
>CGDCT
Oh I see, you are a Unicope trying to make it about male collabs while ignoring confirmed boyfriends, it's all about the keyfabe and keeping the CGDCT illusion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57684044
I mean, it's easy to dedicate your time to gaming when you barely have any big projects to work on.

>>57684166
>confirmed boyfriends
Beggars sure love their doxxing, huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57684263
Hahahahahaha.
Holy fucking shit you are exactly what I thought.
You want to push the gashikoi mentality, the unicorn mentality, but make it completely corrupt and degenerate. Ignoring the ONE THING, the Maxim, of JP Unicorns.
The thing that drove them to ignore Botan but give shit to Aloe.
The thing that wasn't an issue for the lewd and male collabing Matsuri until it happened.
That is not how it works anon, you don't dive into the water if you aren't willing to get wet. You are buying a package and you will get the whole package.
Now say Okay Sister or whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57684525
>The thing that drove them to ignore Botan but give shit to Aloe.
Oh you are a nijinigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>57684525
>Aloe
Hello nijisister

[Anonymous No.]

>>57684166
>some girls just don't want to do GFE
I don't care if they do GFE or not. They all need to do CGDCT. And that inherently excludes males.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57682537
No, it was a joint program that end amicably and azki was given a choice to join hololive proper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
bitch that rarely streams doesn't want to join a project that requires streaming...shocking

[Anonymous No.]

>>57684525
>outed self as nijifag
your whole argument now invalid

[Anonymous No.]

>>57684525
Christ, you nijinigers are truly subhuman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
>aqua
>e-sports
too retarded to fit in anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>57684525
Kiwifarm nijinig, that a new low

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678208
I only knew the Aqua version, her retarded face is too good kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675397
Cover management may be able to pressure the newer talents to join HLZNTL but the ones that have been at Hololive for several years are more capable of walking away. The longer they have been at Hololive the more they have earned and the more devoted their fan base. Aqua has made her position clear so management would only anger her fans if they tried doing anything more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675261
It didn't make sense to begin with. There's barely any overlap between fans of male and female vtubers, even less so in Japan. And even if they were to try and bring it over to the west, it'd be just as much of a dud because people are fed up with the Stars now thanks to Magni and Vesper's bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680075
I don't know why people get surprised by that, cover always has been like that, they only got big because of luck and almost all the girls being great

[Anonymous No.]

>>57684781
What are your actions towards non cdget girls?

[Anonymous No.]

Is Holizontal even an esports project? The wording of the announcement made me think it was just formalizing the holobox so they can run in-house tourneys and fan games in games like Valorant/Apex/Overwatch with their own rules and invited outsiders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57680311
EOPs watch hololive way before EN was born, even if you don't understand shit almost any JP is better than the majority of EN

[Anonymous No.]

>>57676074
>have gender segregated branches
>is now pushing a no borders, gender etc bullshit
>???
making retarded decisions is not new for cover but i feel like this is some shit that was pushed by investors

[Anonymous No.]

>>57681517
I honestly want to know why, the only thing I can think of is ego, they got big with hololive and thing they can do the same with holostar

[Anonymous No.]

>>57685957
It's a sponsorship magnet thing.
Hololive gets good deals for individual girls but they don't get good group deals like Niji and other JP companies

[Anonymous No.]

>>57684525
Nijinigger showing his true color

[Anonymous No.]

>>57685957
it is but it almost means aaa shooters since indie videogame companies cant pay so much money. they wont play nintendo games or amongus there for instance. this shit is like the management aping vspo and it will fail hard.

the management could be inspired by that sf even tho so they might want holomems to play a fighting game but itll still fail hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>57685942
Simple, I wouldn't watch them. If they stream content I dislike, I watch somebody else.
Of course if my oshi changed route mid-career I would be quite irritated and post angy threads on /vt/, but that's about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57684781
>They all need to do CGDCT. And that inherently excludes males.

Correct. I would take it a step further though and just axe GFE/acknowledging horny in chat. They should only be interacting with other cute girls on stream, not even male viewers should get in the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
There's literally no incentive for any of the big holos to join this. Other big individual sponsorships are already lining up for them for them to care about whatever amount of money they might get from this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
I feel like people forget now a days that Aqua is in general probably one of the best Holo's overall at video games. Like at all games in general I mean, so must stuck for them.

[Anonymous No.]

whoever joins this project is a sellout and a whore. hopefully its not (You)r oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
They know that Esports scene is dying pretty fucking hard, right? Like it's been on a bad decline for awhile now and even fucking lol says it's not really profitable now. Why chase that shit years after it already done?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57686138
It reminds me how football teams keep pushing for a player to do well, they force him in, and the guy just can't do a thing right. Holostars is like that. Even if the stars do things right, the audience just isn't there. Why expand further when you have people who vehemently hate you? Why try to grow when nijisanji already exists? Why even bother doing big projects when Kuzuha, Maimoto, and Toya all do it better than you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57685807
>Schizo that would defend her joining the collabs if she “changes her mind”

[Anonymous No.]

>>57687576
its the opposite. those esports zombies, like sf ojisan players and the jp branches of western aaa shit studios, have tried hard to pander to hololive and the management got the wrong idea from it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57687563
Noo how dare girls want sponsors argh

[Anonymous No.]

>>57687641
With that mentality Hololive would have given up on gen 1

[Anonymous No.]

>>57685957
It’s not esports the point is to get people into esports which is why it’s supposed to be casual new players led by 1-2 average players. But homos have to eat and Yagoo is a faggot

>>57686117
You’re probably gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>57687924
The problem is that hololive was way too small. They weren't even close to where they were until gen 3. If anything, their big break came from the people they kept recruiting. Holostars hasn't found that either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57687924

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
I'm legit suspired the 1st and 2nd gen Homostars even want to touch this shit with 10 million long poll. This guys got death threats on the daily and were stressing out super hard over everything they did back when they first started up the homo's.
Like they talk about how shit it is and talked about they don't really want to collab with the girls as much since they have to be so so careful in what they say or do. really weird they push them on them after a lot of them have talked about how fucking shitty it is to do with them as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57687975
Ehh. Gen3 took a long while to took off. Back when Noel was still the "lead" of the generation based on her assets and asmr.
The first big break after Sora was Choco ASMR then Fubuki and Aqua on bilibili. Pekora in particular had to grow into the monster she is now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57688219
Ultimately, I still don't believe that break will happen to holostars. Hololive got damn lucky at the end of the day, but they've taken that opportunity and ran with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57688219
God Marine and Peko are fucking monsters. They really luck shitted into getting them and the fact that Noel joined them even when she was already rich because she was friendless loser

[Anonymous No.]

>>57688264
Well there is no oportunity RN for holostars DESU. Vtuber novelity hype is as finished as it can be, e-sport is dying, economy is having trouble, the scene is so filled that the number of Vtuber is culling itself by simple concurence effect, musical side is also not showing any result. And ultimately hololive will grab any other potential opportunity by sheer gravity and leave nothing to them. I just expect them to slowly disapear within the few next years.

[Anonymous No.]

>Aqua says this
>Immediately starts following all of Vspo
Mixed signals...

[Anonymous No.]

>>57688219
When you look at subs alone you do get the impression of Gen 3 being weak. Between the FubuAqua domination and Coco in Jan 2020 overtaking all of it in subs with ease.
But their power was always superchat, Rushia is still unbeaten in that aspect. Which is why Gen 4 mimicked Noel and Rushia not Aqua, Fubuki or Sora
So gen 3 is definitely the breakthrough gen for hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57688664
She is gonna graduate and join it instead. That is why Yagoo is panicking. Aqua slapped him and demanded better sponsors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57688664
>Aqua joining anything
Hololive is partly the reason she's still being kept alive to the group effort the hags treating her like a 12 year old child. Marine still acts like her surrogate mom and does everything for her and helps her a lot with a lot of her projects when they involve her talking to a bunch of people she doesn't know.
Aqua is much much much too autistic to join that kind of shit probably

[Anonymous No.]

>>57688308
Rushia was also a monster regardless of what she did in the end and what her PL is like, the Uruha Rushia character really was a top tier vtuber.
Has her supacha record been broken yet?

I mean it when I say that sankisei is not only the best Gen in Hololive, but the best Gen in vtuber history and at this point no one is taking that title from them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
Well, of course she wouldn't join. That would expose her as the fraud she is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57688203
It's seeming more and more that the OW thing was meant to be stars only, until perhaps the sponsor realized that holoLIVE is what's popular, not stars and that this isn't nijisanji. And so management had to pressgang some girls for service for this in a hurry. IRyS says she was "asked" 3days before the sponsored stream itself.

Considering the odd choices (Lui,? Chloe, IRyS) means that they had to go far down the list at the last minute since who knows how many girls flat out said "no" or made up some excuse because they could see the writing on the wall, from the other side of the street. Aqua would've proabably been in this camp. Matsuri was busy anyway.
If this was the case, it's just as possible that some of the stars that were initially interested backed out for similar reasons: fear of backlash/negative reception.
Or the stars they had lined up were halved because of the aforementioned
>oh shit we contacted you to shill our trash game under the impression you were like nijisanji and that the girls came as part if the package FIX THIS SHIT REEEEEE
These sponsorship agreements take weeks of planning, the fact that they had to ask the girls at the last mintue, or at least some of the girls, means something went wrong.
Jap businesses do not like to do shit at the last minute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675217
it was over when they came up with that abomination of a name

[Anonymous No.]

>>57689220
the girls who didn't participate may not even have been asked. those with good managers probably saw this and knew where it was going. is it shocking to think irys has one of the shitty managers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57689497
Some girls are their own managers for the most part or have very very little interaction with their manager/don't need them. Like marine, Noel or Suisei. Hard to get the types who run everything themselves for the most part.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57689497
its more about establishing a power dynamic, every talent and manager is different, every manager thinks differently to them this might not be a big deal, and they think it will benefit the talent with extra money or whatever.
the talent needs to make the final decision, if they cant take the upper hand here they will be swept around by the management. irys/chloe/lui probably thought its not a big deal if all the conditions are right nene didnt want to but gave into managers persistence, probably because her self esteem hasnt been really the best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57689019
If only Flare wasn't there...

[Anonymous No.]

>>57676611
How many times does Botan have to show she's garbage before people stop repeating this nonsense. Every time she doesn't manage to dodge a competition she eats shit, CR Cup, Holizontal, that Minecraft thing. There's a reason she avoids it all as much as possible, it's because whenever she actually puts herself out there it's plain to anyone paying attention that her reputation as a competent gamer is completely unearned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57687924
And they didn't, now holostars has around 7 gens if combined with their english counterpart and they are still absolute shitter except Roberou and Astel

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677372
retard take
They aren't employees they are Talent and if you are popular cover literally can't make you do anything e.g. Gura.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57678574
>Male collabs have always been extremely rare in Hololive, caused problems, and benefited absolutely no one
male collabs were fan favorites before the zhang audience migrated to Hololive after the collapse of .LIVE

[Anonymous No.]

>>57689087
>aquaschizo

[Anonymous No.]

>>57691769
>Hololive mentioning Nijisanji and the Heavenly Kings
>No drama and no cabaret
I miss the old Niji and Holo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57687563
>Still using Kanata after she whored out for minecraft collab

[Anonymous No.]

>>57691769
Not him and to be fair, those are all actually talented brotubers not 2view garbage like Homostars. They actually deserved holomems and holomems never collabed with irrelevant male vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57691769
>blaming it on .LIVE which died earlier
>not the Niji dodgeball right before Gen3 incline and Gen4 debut
fuck off sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675397
aquacrew are by far the most deranged fanbase of hololive. If management do that they will kyoani cover.
People often said fandeads were insane but the real menace is the fucking crew.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57692693
my spergwife was tricked into this. she did her best to not be near the guys

[Anonymous No.]

>>57676091
> she'd just go gura and ghost everyone whilst still making passive bank.
Let’s be real that’s been aqua for the last couple of years regardless of holizontal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675397
Aqua doesnt give a shit about management anymore, she just doesnt answer shit on discord when they ask her about stuff she doesnt want to do

[Anonymous No.]

>>57691769
Mio looks like a battered housewife here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57675546
GFE Holos knows that there's too much to lose on that

[Anonymous No.]

>>57692693
>whored out
>when her manager straight up lied to her
Your beggars are fucking pathetic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57695481
nta, fags who say stuff like that over simple collabs are retarded, as long as there's 0 flirting i don't give a fuck, i wouldn't support that content anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

WTF ITS OVER

[Anonymous No.]

>>57693260
>The day you dropped Kanataso for good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57691769
>fan favorite
More like the girls were trying anything to become popular until they noticed that they could do it by themselves

[Anonymous No.]

>>57691769
>male collabs were totally super common bro, look at these 6 thumbnails homobeggars have been spamming for the last year

[Anonymous No.]

>>57696356
>male collabs never happened bro trust me i'm an oldfag i've been here since 2020
Why is /vt/ the only board on 4chan where the majority of the user base consists of proud newfags?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57695481
>when her manager straight up lied to her
I wonder how they hire good talents, but the worst managers of all time

[Anonymous No.]

>>57696963
>male collabs were not common
>male collabs never happened
Nice goalpost moving, retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>57696156
People always forget that hololive was a joke company which everyone else made fun of

[Anonymous No.]

Let's see if the next hlzntl stream will include stars, e celeb, or just full hologirls
If it's the first two + begging Holomem again, it's so over

[Anonymous No.]

>>57697269
Some are good. After her disastrous first manager that deleted all her shit rather than just privating it Shuba had a pretty good run of other ones. At least 3 I think.
Makes me wonder if the dumb cunt she had first is not one of the nameless troublemakers the other girls grumble about. Never fired, just passed around.
Fucking retarded nip companies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57691769
>fan favorite
Of the 10 people that watched

[Anonymous No.]

>>57691769
always funny when homobeggars have to whip out the years old crumbs

[Anonymous No.]

>>57679030
she's unironically one of the busiest holos nowadays

[Anonymous No.]

>>57698015
Lamy and well Gen 5's manager was fucking terrible. Lamy's first manager might be one of the worst managers ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>57698720
I'd always read that but didn't know the details until a thread ago about this same topic. Holy shit that guy needed to be buried along with Mel's harassing little bitch of a manager.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57697893
After the last one the girls are obviously aware of the fan backlash because the only Holomem who's following the hlzntl twitter account is Matsuri. If the next one still has the homos and Holos who never ever implied wanting to collab with male vtubers it'll be more than obvious that Cover is forcing them to do it and it'll only make the fanbase more hateful towards this project and it will reach a point that they will have to address it if they don't want to lose fans because of a dumb esports initiative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677893
>personally I blame cover going public. now they're drinking the retard coolaid juice about "divirsifying" their business.
Wrong way to look at it. Yagoo is the homobeggar prime. Yagoo and his founding cohort is still in control with a majority of shares but desperate to make the Stars work out so the investors stop asking why the hell they're disproportionately spending on the Stars branch.
Previously they justified Stars as the means of getting the female audience but even 3rd party reporters noticed it wasn't working at all. Now it's an attempt to shift Holo revenue onto Stars with Horizontal sponsorships:
>40K CCV sponsorship, 50/50 Hololive/Holostars.
>Stars is profitable, stop asking questions!

[Anonymous No.]

>>57677372
>She is am employee
she literally isn't, none of the talents are

[Anonymous No.]

>>57698720
>>57699092
qrd?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57689497
> is it shocking to think irys has one of the shitty managers?
Isn’t this already a well-known fact? As in, I’ve seen a fuckload of irystocrats shit on irys’ manager for being an incompetent asshat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57699269
>40k CCV sponsorship, 50/50 Hololive/Holostars.
Imagine if they use that as an excuse, it would be fun, they would have to treat investors like a retarded to think they would fall for that kek

[Anonymous No.]

Companies usually feel they need to re-invent the wheel to stay relevant regardless of how they're doing, and Cover's always just bumbled into success, things have to start failing eventually, can't always be on the up and up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57699682
Let's see here:
>Told Lamy do not talk a lot during streams since her voice would put people off of watching her
>Do not sing ever at all since she's bad and it would make people hate her
>Do not do drinking streams since she should be prim and proper type of streamer
>She should not interact or collab with her genmates or anyone in Hololive since she terrible at talking to people and will bring down anyone she collabs with
There is other stuff, but those main ones are bad.

[Anonymous No.]

I think managers feel useless taking care of girls that don't fuck up every day so they start using their free time to give dog shit advice

[Anonymous No.]

>>57699738
25% of the shares were bought by mutual funds. They don't know shit about the business and solely go off the quarterly reports and next quarter guidance. Yagoo can cook the books however he wants to justify Stars spending as long as the top and bottom numbers add up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57700542
Older managers were pretty bad, but I find it funny they added on Jp that it's a plus if you have have had a job or a degree in taking care children or the mentally disabled now when applying to be one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57688203
>>57688264
>>57688493
rrat time: holostars are quite possibly in a borrowed time right now due to the investors. they will definitely question if it's still even worth investing on stars when hololive is way more profitable, but yagoo is too much of a saviorfag to let them go so the holizontal is made to push them one more time
problem is cover has tried salvaging them several times before but they never really took off, and that's partially because a good amount of the talents simply didn't bother and just coast off their little fanbase, and those who were about to grow somehow always managed to sabotage themselves (except roberu)
>shinove resigned
>kaoru, one of to-be biggest starsjp, got terminated
>vesper and magni, two of the biggest starsen, jumped out of the ship
>astel was about to incline from fps but decided to go menhera and regressed
>fuma denied of fps tournaments from management
>no more eop pandering despite them being one of the reasons of towa's and roberu's initial incline. izuru in particular shuts down eops hard
compared to the hololive girls, their overall drive is particularly lacking, even after cover had to force sub goals for merch. sure they brought out profit, but is it really worth investing so much in them when a new hololive gen can potentially out-earn them while bringing more viewers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57697333
People get called homo collabers with less than that over a larger period of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57701141
>fuma denied of fps tournaments from management
Why would they do that? Its a good way for them to advertise themselves to others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57701141
Some business interviewer pretty much called the Stars a failure to Yagoo's face recently as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57701324
Portably didn't want to deal with the chance of angry death threats

[Anonymous No.]

>>57701508
Is he wrong? Genuinely speaking what HAVE they brought to hololive?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57701141
There is a domino effect of damage a full closure of homostars can cause that western fans are not aware. The final yab could be brewing beneath our feet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57701141
Investors are already asking Yagoo about the Stars during the QnA and in the last one Yagoo sidestepped the question by saying that Cover will try to target a female audience with Hololive. With two of the best performing homos gone, the standardized merch and the lack of announcement for their third big concert I will be surprised if the branch survives beyond 2024.

>>57701647
What domino effect? Even the least popular girls in Hololive bring more than the best perfoming homos and Cover can use them and their image with the more popular ones without any issues unlike the homos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57701647
What do you mean? How would that of all things cause a domino effect?

[Anonymous No.]

>>57701647
Holostars termination would trigger Fubuki to leave, I am certain
Maybe Yagoo too? Seems like a lot of damage but as long as Gen3 is intact they will survive, you could graduate all of gen 1 2 and gamers and only lose EOPs

[Anonymous No.]

>>57701805
Graduating gens 12 and gamers would cause some of gen 3 to leave, hell causing and whole gen to leave would cause others to leave. Any gen would cause a domino effect that would make hololive tank in rep and popularity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>57701784
>>57701797
>>57701805
If Yagoo quits the leadership will be Chinese, or at the very least there will be a huge battle between them and Asuka.
And yeah, it's impossible to not think Fubuki would go on a savior extravaganza with all of Holostars, given that a lot of them are their friends. This could create internal tension between the factions of talents.
Nevertheless, a chain graduation could be possible, Stars are no CNs.
ID and EN would say shit, new management gets rowdy, punishes them too much, the chain extends.
As it stands the best solution is just to freeze Holostars in time and let them graduate naturally, no more new generations. But investors want immediate action.

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>>57701141
You post events that happen in the space of 2 years that are totally unrelated between them.

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>>57700077
jfc that's like abusive husband type behaviour

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>>57701805
Any gen would trigger a domino effect, you don't graduate a whole generation of people and think "Only EOPs are gonna care!" Whole fanbases would be lost it's not like EN viewers with a shiny new toy every new generation, that's why the term oshi even exists. Plus, you graduate one gen and close friends of those girls are gonna leave, the domino effect would be huge and would tank hololive's rep and popularity. Even graduating the holostars would cause some members to think about their position, fubuki probably would consider leaving as that would be completely unfair in her eyes, whether or not fans would care losing a member like her wouldn't benefit the company in the slightest.

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>>57702148
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck
I have been thinking all day about what aqua could have against horizon she is not anti male collab or anti esports
What if she wants the Chinese contact back, to have her actual friends like mea back? Fuck

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>>57701568
90% of the drama 0.1% of the profit if even that. Between the costs associated with them and the damage they've done to the brand and specific talents careers I wonder how far in the negative overall they are

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Don't openly discuss how to maximize damage or the zhangs and nijifags will start to push for it

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>>57702508
>and the damage they've done to the brand and specific talents careers
Post examples, schizo. You are talking out of your ass.

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>>57702549
Don't worry. All discussion about it is fucking retarded and has 0% chance of happening

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>>57675217
Based onion.

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>>57702508
Who causes the damage if not the people who criticize collab choices of the girls?
Plus the homo collabers collabed with males even before there was a holostars.

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>>57702148
Man I feel some gen straight up if some person leaves cause they're unhappy with the company or were bullied slight they would lose the whole gen.

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>>57702549
Always hilarious to see how the monkeys think this shithole has more power than it actually does.
This is den of lunatics throwing shit at each other, nothing more.

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>>57702658
It was super obvious with the EN homo collabers after tempiss debuted, Kronii went one of the most successful EN talents to a complete shitter after her homo drama for example.

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>>57702813
NND and 5ch were a den of lunatics but they managed to cook up a nasty one two punch with the permissions holocaust
There is a lot of financial interest in fucking hololive right now, phase and the jews don't play fair, people who shit talked Aloe on reddit were picked for Nijisanji EN management, and the Chinese grudge is eternal.

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>>57675479
And lost in an actual tournament with a girl only team
Aqua knows people who watch her are not into esports.
The holo into esports is Towa. The others either are on and off about it or just are not into the scene.
And since Towa has connectios in the esport scene, unlike Aqua, Cover could give zero fucks about the numbers if they are truly aiming for the esport scene.
Like, you bet your ass all these esports sponsorships is thanks to Towa or Botan.
Aqua is for unicucks who do not know shit about esports.

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>>57702658
are you actually retarded?

anyway, yagoo or fubuki quitting over homostars is fucking stupid. you're actually retarded if you think someone her age is gonna quit a career this lucrative over saviorfagging. everyone in this thread should kill themselves

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>>57703078
>people who shit talked Aloe on reddit were picked for Nijisanji EN management,
Cant say shit like this without any proof dude.

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>>57702813
>talks about nijiniggers
>nijinigger shows up
What magic is that?

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>Suddenly bugmen speech
Unicucks were CCP goons all along
Well, too bad even with the Homo drama none of the Holos are going back to china.

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>>57703220
Its almost as if 4chan is a public forum open to anyone with an internet connection.

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>>57702893
>Kronii went one of the most successful EN talents to a complete shitter
All Council is made up of shitters. The fact that Mumei's rm was more successful than her is a Clare example. Also Kronii was a ticking bomb waiting to happen. This is like saying that Calli defending the guy from Trash Taste hurt her growth.

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>>57703220
These threads have more false flags than the CIA and KGB combined

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>>57676091
Cover does not give a fuck about Holo's popularity
They fired Rushia
They made Marine apologize to a schizo
They even made the homos apologize to a schizo
Is been clear that Cover does whatever the fuck it wants with the holos regardless of their popularity.

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>>57702893
Council was complete trash well before the homos showed up, easily the worst Holo gen, then again JP2 was also pretty bad and is basically carried by Subaru.
Only ID2 seemed to have broken that particular curse.

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>>57703127
No examples provided. So just a catalog-reader trying to fit in the doomposting or a EOP that forgot to do his reps.

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>>57703528
I think cover is stupid but breaking NDAs is a big deal pretty much anywhere.
Rushia kind of stepped on that particular landmine of her volition, you can't just let that pass even if the talent is your biggest piggybank.

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>>57703532
>Only ID2 seemed to have broken that particular curse
Are you fucking delusional? ID2 is the worst one out of the second gens.

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>>57675592
>her fans outnumber the management
You mean the same fans who tried to buy Aqua out of Hololive when the grand zhang exodus took place?
How that shit went winnie poh cock sucker?

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>>57703528
who did marine apologize to
>>57703532
subaru carrying alone justifies the gen's existence. also what? aqua?

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>>57703532
>carried by Subaru
Choco carries this fucking corpo for half a year and Aqua was once a leading girl
Fucking newfag eop

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>>57703532
>JP2 was also pretty bad and is basically carried by Subaru
Retarded newfag, Ayame and especially Aqua were two of the biggest Hololive girls back then, Aqua was arguably more important than Fubuki during Hololive's first big growth period

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>>57703279
I didn't know China opened their internet to the rest of the world, congratulations, I guess

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>>57703704
>who did marine apologize to
That retarded Gundam yaoi artist who complained about Miko and Marine talking about her gay smut manga during a stream

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>>57702757
>the problem isnt driving customers away, it's the customers fault for leaving!
actual fucking retard

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>>57703809
>Le ebil zhang GET OUT
I am begging you, please update your discord scripts.
Its always the same "arguments" with you people.

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>>57703528
>They made Marine apologize to a schizo
no they didnt, she chose to do it herself as a power move, she's just smart and good at letting idiots destroy themselves

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>>57703127
Are you?

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>>57703528
They were able to fire Rushia because she pissed everyone off and nobody was willing to act in solidarity with her (and they'd be retarded to do so for a crazy bitch)

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>>57703974
Yea hell of a power move to stop streaming for a week to appease some twitter niggers

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>>57703532
I like how all the (you)s are disputing this anon’s shitty claims about the JP and ID branches, while everyone just accepts that Council was the worst EN gen even before Tempus debuted.

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>>57704060
she regularly goes a week without streaming anyway, taking a break and coming out of a schizo drama squeaky clean is professional. She also destroyed the hololive alternative guy without missing a beat too

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>>57703127
Do you remember when Sasaki, a personal friend of Fubuki, graduated?
https://youtu.be/nMkij6ILLt4?si=PDftJBL00n2iZ-ZX
Do you fucking think taking out Roberu, Oga and others at the same fucking time won't at minimum create another situation like this a lot of ill will?
Numberfags only proof of humanity is their immense hubris.

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>>57702177
my point for the events was that some of the stars actually had opportunities to incline, but they either threw the opportunity away, or in fuma's case, just got plain screwed. and those who have tried like gamma and aruran still ended up not getting much new audience that actually stayed
roberu was an outlier but that's because he capitalized on the eops first, then started networking once the eop tourists are done. while you could make an argument about barely associating himself as a starsjp, uproar was about to go the same way but they ended up failing in comparison
as for shinove, while he did his best, you can't blame him for leaving for a better opportunity since most stars don't really have any motivation to be bigger, which i feel is also an issue since external aid can only get you so far

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>>57704294
A more obvious example would also be her reaction when coco graduated as she felt blame for not trying hard enough to get her to stay, she also had a legit breakdown too. If that happened to people she considers close friends and they didn't do anything then of course she's gonna be pissed. The people still have emotions and will react because of them they're not just soulless husks because they're streamers.

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>>57704141
The Omega Debuff will forever be unmatched.

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>>57675397
she ain't gonna play it if it means everything is a homocollab. good on onyan. rab u onyan.

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>>57704294
>>57704543
Okay so maybe Fubuki would be le sad
Then she would swallow it up and continue to do her fucking job which she doesn't want to lose
This also isn't 2020 anymore, the people with sway like Pekora, Miko and Gura would be more than happy to see the homos gone

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>>57704294
it's not like some stars don't have other opportunities if they ever graduate
i can see oga becoming one of the holo staffs due to his game dev experience and astel/fuma reincarnating in neoporte

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>>57703532
Subaru only bloomed pretty "recently".
Back then The rest of Gen 2 hard carried.
Surprisingly enough Choco sensei was a fucking beast and arguably one of the most popular Hololive member then youtube killing asmr killed her. Manjigumi(Ayame,Shion,Aqua)Aqua in particular where all and are still popular as fuck unfortunately each of those three got hit with a lazyness curse.
Hell I could even Argue that They're the best generation holoJp has gotten if you exclude gen 3.

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>>57704737
Or maybe she'd also just find another opportunity outside of hololive, it's not like she isn't connected to the industry. Hololive's not a be all end all for her anymore she could easily become a voice actor or do indie shit, there's no sucking it up for her if they don't listen she can easily threaten leaving.

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Aqua literally can't compete in any e-sport tournament that matters, because let's face it, all FPS based games are dominated by male players. They're the majority of the professional player pool. And nothing is going to change that.
If Aqua doesn't want to compete that's fine, but otherwise she literally has no future in e-sports, because you HAVE to work with players of all backgrounds and skillsets to have a competent team at the very LEAST.
Seriously guys, it's not that hard to understand.

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>>57705537
You can say that about literally any holo, yet only Sana got without a huge drama or contract breach

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>>57705475
Individually gen 2 is almost on par with gen 3, the problem is they got lazy and their unit is trash

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>>57706051
Say that to cover, Aqua is the best player in hololive yet even her don't have a chance, imagine fucking Irys, Lui, Chloe and whoever those retards will put in the project

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>>57706113
Because, despite what everyone in this thread says, hololive doesn't have their head up their ass and manage to treat the talents with enough respect to where they like their job. You could only say that about sana because only three members of hololive left and the chinese branch was a whole situation in of itself. That same could not be said if they started graduating friends of the talents for no reason, if rushia left and she was the one in the right it would've been a completely different outcome from the talents. Plus, the only drama Coco had from that situation was from /here/ most people outside were very respectful and understanding of her leaving. If the day comes a talent leaves out of being mistreated than they're gonna be the one people side with not cover.

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>>57706330
Being the best player in Hololive isn't saying much, I'll be honest.

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>>57701141
>muh investors want to axe homostars because not as profitable as hololive
you retards have no idea how investors think and it shows. if a thing is making more money than it costs to keep around, it's not going to just be killed because there's another thing that is making 10x as much. will less time and resources be dedicated to holostars? maybe, but as it stands they're still an asset that requires very little overhead and generates enough to justify their existence.

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>>57707284
If that small thing affects negatively the thing that makes 10x more then it's a different story

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>>57707435
The graduation of the two sex pests has warped your perception of things.

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>>57707435
literally all of the negativity surrounding holostars is like 20 people on /vt/ and 2chan. literally no one else cares
>but muh Kronii incident
Kronii was never as popular as you faggots make her out to be, her numbers fell in line with literally every other streamer on youtube because youtube fucks around with view counts in weird ways, and all of her top donors came back. all of your retarded rrats about how much damage Magni and Vesper caused to hololive and that's why they were fired, when in reality they probably only left because of they weren't able to get favorable contracts, are just schizophrenic ramblings of some SEAmonkey that you were too dumb and gullible to see through. go look through twitter trends or articles on their graduation at the time if you don't believe me. literally no one but a few faggots on here even brings up them collabing with the girls in a negative light.

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>>57708335
are these same 20 guys the ones downvoting everything on reddit since you faggots cry about that too?

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>>57707435
Anon, axing that small thing outright could potentially hurt Hololive more than just letting it be. If Holostars is axed because of bad performance, it sets a precedent that could be applied to certain ID or JP members of Hololive and get them to leave too, because they cannot measure to the bigger Hololive members like Pekora, Marine, Gura or Miko.
The way I see it, if Holostars closes, it's going to be a slow closure, letting the talents graduate at their due time and not getting new ones to join. A sudden closure of the branch is a strong measure that I think Cover only takes on special circunstances, like what happened with HoloCN.

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>>57708638
I don't go on reddit like you faggot

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>>57703528
You're implying that firing rushia was an easy decision someone made on the spur of the moment when she didn't give them any choice. Regardless, the closest situation would be Coco's leaving:
Cept if holos are getting actively coerced to do content they don't want to do and push back or threaten to leave, rather than the Coco instance where she was prohibited from making certain content she wanted + the complication of all the china baggage, then cover will have to take pause.
If the other girls see the heavy hitters making intimations to leave because of the same coercion they experience because management has become just too shit for the last fucking time then they can all threaten to leave.

Cover's retardation only works without blowback when it affects one or two members at a time, if it affects ALL of them to a greater or lesser degree then they'll have trouble. I think we're reaching that point now where multiple holos' accounts are stitching together a picture of management trying to force as many of the girls they can into creating a certain kind of content all at once that they might ve thoroughly against making.

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>>57707284
you don't know what you're talking about. investors will always find something to be unhappy about, and underperforming projects are an easy target.

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>>57706681
>Because, despite what everyone in this thread says, hololive doesn't have their head up their ass and manage to treat the talents with enough respect to where they like their job.
If you hadn't noticed, this appears at risk of changing. That's what this whole thread's been about.

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I want to tell everyone that at an investor meeting a question one of larger investors legit asked was "Why haven't you tied to move into the Chinese market and if they were planning to move into it and how?"

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>>57710586
Some of us know. They're fucking retarded and NO ONE should underestimate that.
Means nothing's off the cards when speculating about the reasons for shit.