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57230250 No.57230250 [Reply] [Original]

why is collabing with males a big problem now compared to when primordial vtubers were doing it years ago? what changed?

>> No.57230310

>>57230250
Why is marrying a literal child and fucking her a big problem now compared to when people were doing it years ago? What changed?

>> No.57230437

>>57230310
>comparing two streamers playing games together to adults raping children centuries ago
why are unicucks so fucking retarded?

>> No.57230467

>>57230250
Nothing changed. That's the problem.

>> No.57230504

>>57230250
vtubing found it's target demographic, it's pretty simple anon

>> No.57230508

>>57230437
It's not rape if we're married

>> No.57230580

>>57230250
the META changed fool, didn't you saw the new update?
>>57230437
why are there so many seething homobeggar faggots now? what changed?

>> No.57230695

>>57230250
Homobeggars appeared

>> No.57230773

>>57230250
>compared to when primordial vtubers were doing it years ago
you mean when no one watched them? lol

>> No.57230779

>>57230250
vtubing stopped being about entertainment and started being about emulation GFs and "thing but redrawn with my characters" fandoms

>> No.57230782

>>57230580
vesper and magni graduating lmao, that's what changed, plus mikeneko collabing with males and getting nearly 3000 dislikes on the vod and a ton of hate, leading her to go on hiatus about 12 hours after . Oh and the big holostars/hololive tournament that they were bragging about? irys came out and said that she confirmed with management ahead of time that she would not have to speak to the homos during the event. They just cannot stop losing recently

>> No.57230804

>>57230250
The demographic changed into a more hardcore otaku fanbase and the idol concept became more reinforced. Back then, anyone could be watching vtubers and be a vtuber. The bar was especially low and vtubers acted without impunity or guidelines regardless if they were an idol or not. The audience now is consistently people who are used to or are deeply involved in otaku culture. Idols and waifu fagging became more associated with vtuber idols the more the shift into being a virtual idol became obtainable and real.

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>>57230250
NijiEN changed a lot of people's perspective on male collabs. Male vtubers were seen as professionals before we got pedos like Vox and Hex barging in call with the girls all the time.

>> No.57230901

>>57230250
Years ago everything was handled in the context of the Japanese.

Western vtubers are fundamentally different from eastern vtubers and they're the context the vast majority of discussion over here is done in right now, and as it turns out, men in the english scene are just way more volatile and much less professional than men in the Japanese scene, much more so than the difference between their female counterparts.

Everyone blaming the fans or blaming parasocialism is new as fuck.

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>>57230250
No one watches them. IRyS In JP hrs playing OW and speaking ONLY in JP has more than double the whole starsJP streams

It’s like if QXC started collabing with some boring shitters. Even Ninja in his prime knew to not collab with females (shitters) since people didn’t want that

>> No.57231021

We don't want our oshii's collabing with men. It at least gives us the illusion they're dating us. I'll tell if you oshii ever collabed with a man I'd probably be on the news for murder.

Yeah, I absolutely would murder my oshii if she did that. I can rest easily she probably isn't dating anyone irl but, desu if she did I'd probably murder her.

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>>57230310
>fucking a child is comparable to collabing with a male
i think you got bigger issues

>> No.57231032

>>57230580
>now
This retarded culture war has been flaming ever since Tempus debuted

>> No.57231066

>>57230250
Because there were fewer jealous 2views and corpos

>> No.57231086
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57231086

>>57230250
DEATH to homobeggars!

>> No.57231094

>>57231032 (Me)
And yes, before that as well I know, but nobody truly gave a shit because nobody in this board cares about japanese drama

>> No.57231118

>>57230310
Fuck I want to go back.

>> No.57231207

It's a small minority. The real reason: the men are toxic cunts who just add drama.

It's a weird world where if a idol even mentions men exist they're impure. People will go insane if Gura collabed with a man. I'd genuinely fear for her safety desu.

>> No.57231412

>>57230250
Simple. The early fans were lonely low self esteem cucks.

>> No.57231503

>>57230310
>Why is marrying a literal child and fucking her a big problem
No it's not.

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>>57230250
Because we've moved past the need for male/female collabs. Unless you're a nijifag, most male/female collabs end up being awful or extremely awkward.

>> No.57231604

>>57231207
>small minority, keep telling yourself that
also don't memoryhole female unicorns/yumejos

>> No.57231631

People were just meming when they were overreacting to male collabs on /vt/ at first, but as things tend to go, memes eventually become reality.

>> No.57231658

>>57230804
that never happened, not in JP not in EN

>> No.57231749

>>57231207
Post tits BTW and cu4hex too. Also don't try to memorihole female are far worse, exemple : Vox or mafumafu

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>>57231207
>People will go insane if Gura collabed with a man.
And it would be so fucking funny.

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>>57230773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsBD66Sa5Yg&t=0s
https://youtu.be/LUHxpSIeOVQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhUcdogij8w

>> No.57231854

>>57231658
nta, but he gave a reasonable argument while you deny reality.

>> No.57231923

>>57231826
>5 years ago
Yup, no one watched this shit back then.

>> No.57231985

>>57231923
>no one watched this shit back then.
no mentally ill fags like what we have now is what you mean

>> No.57232059

>>57230938
there's something fundamentally wrong in stars then since nijijp males are doing fine, and they collab with the girls a lot.

>> No.57232074

>>57231923
They did watch it, but thats all you had. With how massive vtubers are now, the need for a collab with males and females has diminished.

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>>57231854
holofans live in their own reality so that's easy

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>>57231826
You just confirmed kek
Subaru is one of the biggest holos now and back then nobody gave a shit, Miko is the same, and several others, are you going to say it's muh coincidence?

>> No.57232187

>>57230250
It's a problem now that western vtubers exist. These are failed female streamers that put on a vtuber model and want to continue being fleshtubers. Westerners ruined anime, manga, and now vtubers.

>> No.57232250

>>57232133
>back then nobody gave a shit
thats my point you idiot, unless you're telling me popularity has any factor in people giving a shit about male collabs.

>> No.57232315

>>57230250
The problem is EN males are sex pest faggots who want to own le incels. They also brought a bunch of whores who hate idol culture and want chuubas to fuck male talents a la nijiEN.

>> No.57232331

>>57232250
Nobody gave a shit to her desu

>> No.57232374

>>57231207
Nah they're delusional cucks. Time and time again unicorns get betrayed and they never do shit

>> No.57232454

>>57230250
Too many SEAnigs and wh*Toids who are cuckolds in denial invaded the hobby.

>> No.57232511

>>57230250
because homobeggars need to get cancer and die a slow but painful death.

>> No.57232583

>>57230250
Back in the day, male collabs were collabs first, male and female second. The talents focused on content and making the stream entertaining for the listeners. This was kind of necessary because of how hard they had it back then.
These days, you start to get sex pest males and sex pest females who go crazy that there is a member of the opposite sex on stream with them. Listeners hate such material, and while they trust their oshi, the same can't be said for the collab partner. It's enough for then to discount all male collabs in the future.
You can see this stance reflected in how much backlash male collabs get over roommate dating/being married. Roommate stuff doesn't affect the content and (most sane) listeners can suspend their disbelief.

>> No.57232589

>>57230250
Times change. The highest interest demographic for women lying with skinwalking anime models that stream hit which was lonely men who fear possible "competition" for their women on the screen.

>> No.57232630

>>57232331
>November 2020
>nobody gave a shit
sure bud

>> No.57232632

>>57231985
You had to be really mentally ill to enjoy vtubing back in the early days. Primitive things immediately don't always mean better.

>> No.57232798

>>57232632
>being mentally ill is needed to enjoy
it wasnt really that weird, videos of miku's concert were already circulating at the time, and avatar softwares were showing up. it was pretty easy to grasp a moving 3D anime girl in vr.

>> No.57232847

It's pretty funny to see oldfags larp, hololive is a little older than 5 years and they dismissed males since gen 3, 4 years ago, so for most of hololive existence males are btfo, accept that or go watch niji and indies desu

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57232947

>>57231207
vt is the only place where ive seen men act more like women, it's pretty bizarre sometimes.

>> No.57233104

>>57232847
>dismissed males since gen 3
holostars debuted AFTER gen 3 dumbass.

>> No.57233281

>>57230250
It was a different time, the girls didn't invested in GFE experience and the guys were all silly male vtubers ''HAHAHA LOOK AT ME I HAVE A HORSE FOR HEAD I'M A HORSE'' Instead of this Ikemen flirt culture we have these days

>> No.57233351

>>57232583
>how much backlash male collabs get over roommate dating/being married. Roommate stuff doesn't affect the content and (most sane) listeners can suspend their disbelief.
You just described actual cuckolds in denial. That's what /vt/ unicorns are. Everything about not caring about person behind the screen having a bf while sperging out about some collabs etc is 100% cope. No ammount of deflective mucho texto "rationalization" will change that. Either stop being hypocrite and own being a kissless schizo or stop crying when bullied. Deservedly so btw, pathetic asocial aggressive downies have to be bullied, especially when they push their shit constantly down everyone's throat.

>> No.57233356

>>57232947
Being obsessed for a woman that you never will know to the point that if she interacts with a male you get angry isn't acting like a woman, yes, it's schizo, but not acting like a woman
20-30 years ago males would kill each other just because one flirted with the woman that the other liked

>> No.57233359

>>57233104
nobody in sankisei gave a shit for male collabs.

>> No.57233504

>>57230250
>community members say dumb shit as an inside joke
>new people copy them in an attempt to fit in
>as time passes, the community becomes dominated by people who think the dumb shit is unironic
tale as old as time

>> No.57233511

>>57233104
What holostar has to do with anything? If they want they can have 100 holostar, just don't interact with the girls that there won't be hate, like almost hates tempus 2

>> No.57233536

>>57231658
>Didnt happen
The fanbase didn't change? Yeah, I guess you/I can't actually prove or disprove that. But, the expectations certainly did change. I remember Babiniku Vtubers was a lot more accepted and watched back then. Now, no one gives a fuck about them and immediately rages at the bait and switch. Streamer Vtubers died off the moment they were introduced. VRchat is still niche. I can't really be sure the audience changed but the new faces are definitely more in line with Idol or anime than anything outside of the sphere of liking cross-gender collabs. Small corpos expectations are more in line with following hololive than they are nijisanji.

>> No.57233579

>>57233511(me)
*like almost nobody hates tempus 2

>> No.57233654

>>57233356
20-30 years ago both had a chance with that woman, both men knew her irl so it's understandable. Watching some vtuber is is the furthest thing from that lmao, it's even more cringe and pathetic than having an anime waifu bodypillow and humping that thing.

>> No.57233684

>>57233504
>inside joke
>some holos got "harassed" for it as back as 2019
I never understood this cope

>> No.57233693

>>57230310
fpbp

>> No.57233795

>>57230250
>uses Gura image
kys homobegger

>> No.57233883

>>57233654
>killing someone because of a woman is less schizo than sperging online about it
Ogey

>> No.57233920

>>57232798
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=5579kw8UVgk
Normalfags always treated this shit as weird, stop trying to justify it.

>> No.57234013

>>57230250
We got self aware and realize it's cucking.

>> No.57234026

>>57230250
The fans changed. They're now CGDCT and camwhore/egirl simps. They don't want guys on screen, they don't want their oshi to do new things or achieve their goals. They only want them to stream every day. You'll notice that applies equally to any of the demographics I mentioned, because they're the same people.

>> No.57234145

>>57233356
>>57233883
NTA but murder over stuff like that still happens today and it's still dumb and schizo.

>> No.57234236

>>57230250
people started taking the horse image from 5ch seriously

>> No.57234245

This line of thought just seems strange to me. I thought /vt/ genuinely accepted a streamer needs time to find their legs. That's also true of hololive as a whole. They found their legs.

>> No.57234303

Hololive won the culture war, now everyone has to be idol gamers that do GFE
Conform or die

>> No.57234331

>>57233920
>weird
nah not really, thats just double standards. kpop stans are fucking weird but thats normal?

>> No.57234372

>>57230250
Luxiem fucking their female coworkers changed the reputation for male vtubers forever

>> No.57234416

>>57233654
It's not actually that far from it. Our monkey brain cannot tell a difference between a competition you have a chance fighting against and a fictional one.
>See lovely lady
>presume a potential mate
>See a competitor
>urge to win the cooing competition or to dispose of the "threat".

Sure, its all in your head, but loneliness fucks your chemicals up and you become desperate. The Gosling phenomenon really needs to be studied more.

>> No.57234493

>>57233511
>no girl interaction, no hate
see there, thats the issue im talking about. its always a jump into hate.

>> No.57234731

>>57233795
not even a chumbud, its just the only question mark reaction image i have.

>> No.57234849
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57234849

Reminder that NijiEN
>Introduced obnoxious males who barged into all the girl's streams to talk about their cum spurts while spewing obnoxious twitch memes.
>Provides 0 gender separation, and even does hotelroom offcollabs between males and females, even between shipping pairs.
>Allows the males to flirt with the females in front of their audiences essentially third wheeling thousands of people.
>Has no rules against the talents having sex or openly dating each other. In fact this is encouraged and facilitated.
>Uses the prospect of mixed-gender offcollabs with your oshi to entice recruitment.
>Does fakeout streams where no male is advertised in the thumbnail or title, and yet on stream there's a male.
>Allows the males to invade intimate ASMR streams and even voicepacks.

>> No.57234865

>>57234026
sometimes i wish back to the simpler variety videos format, atleast we get new shit everytime. nowadays if someone deters off from the usual streaming, everyone freaks out.

>> No.57234945

>>57234372
qrd on luxiem? always see his name brought up when it comes to "ruining male vtubers"

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>>57234849
Forgot some
>Heavily discourages, if not outright bans, GFE. Yet BFE is encouraged and celebrated.
>Does not allow the girls to set up all-girl's collabs or events even if they wanted to. If males want in, they have to be let in.

>> No.57235005

>>57231118
The good old times.

>> No.57235061

>>57234849
not even a unicorn but holy shit lol, how much of these are real though?

>> No.57235098

>>57230310
fpbp

>> No.57235137

>>57233654
>he thinks schizos have not killed people in the past because of their celebrity crush
Rumao

>> No.57235285

>>57233104
>holostars debuted AFTER gen 3 dumbass.
Not true dumbass. Miyabi, Izuru and Kira debut one month before than Pekora.

>> No.57235442

>>57230250
Nothing change, everyone just have their niche. There's thousands of v tubers you can watch that do male collabs. Just don't force idol vtubers to collab with males.

>> No.57235646

>>57230250
I have a grudge with the homobeggars and don't want to see another Kronii

>> No.57235705

>>57235061
Nothing is real, he is just peddling the same schizo rrats and out context situations.

>> No.57235776

>>57230250
CCV always drops when a male streamer brings on his gf, it is just a different vibe and no one likes it not even fleshies

>> No.57235804

>>57230250
Male vtubers barely existed before luxiem.

>> No.57235991

I was a full on homobeggar pre-Luxiem era when I was excited how NijiEN would go becoming a mixed group and thinking it would go the same way as NijiJP with silly boys and silly gals doing silly variety shit.
Fast forward to now and all I think about EN males and their female orbiters is that they are incapable of even being fucking professional by themselves, and around one another. It’s always retarded culture wars being pushed, sex jokes being substituted for actual humor, and even outright rubbing in my face that I’m a cuck even though I was viewing them in a purely entertainer light. The same happened to HoloEN pre-Advent and now I’m just completely soured on the idea of EN male vtubers.

>> No.57236224

>>57235991 (me)
And to add on this, beggars pestering and harassing girls who don’t go for that content were the final nails in the coffin. They’re even way worse antis than disgruntled unicorns.

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>>57230250
>Watch vtubers for entertainment
>Male vtubers are boring and unlike female vtubers cannot make up for it by being cute or having funny woman moments
>Since male vtubers aren't entertaining to me they are worthless
>Keep having worthless things I don't care about forced onto me by chuuba I do enjoy watching
It's annoying but I don't have to put up with it. A collab here and there is fine, I skip streams I think would be boring all the time. But if it's constant and leaks into solo streams then it's too much and all my interest in the chuuba pulling that shit vanishes along with all my support for her.
>YOU NEVER LOVED HER
No, she never loved me.

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>>57235061
>hotel offcollabs between shipping pairs
Here's an example (Shu is in love with Elira and is constantly trying to offcollab with her while ducking and dodging Luxiem collabs):
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjF3bYdL_gs
Most of the offcollabs aren't streamed. One of the most notorious happened recently when a dozen of them met up in Canada together and spent a week together in the same hotel. This included several shipping pairs like Enna/Kyo, Shu/Elira, Wilson/Pomu, and Reimu/Vox. Also Reimu has visited Vox in the UK half a dozen times at this point and bragged about knowing where he hides the keys to his house.

>flirting with the females
They all do this to some extent, but the most notorious is Luca, who often corners the girls on his stream in front of thousands of people and tries to get them to agree to offcollab with him.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii_2b02SKA8&t=4605
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQU-hZKaPMQ&t=9471
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQU-hZKaPMQ&t=20293

>fakout streams
Here's some classics:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0XktfsOoMI&t=1055
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdYB_HoIe5U&t=595
They do these literally all the time though.

>BFE is allowed GFE is not
Pretty much, anything even close to GFE is called "incel" and gets attacked and mobbed by the female fans, even as they toss wedding rings at Vox and Luca.
Here's an example when Hex invaded Finana's lewd ASMR. She got so embarrassed she hasn't done another one since.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1AjdDy8-GU&t=2114

>> No.57237711

>>57234145
Even the most deranged unicorn is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to schizos, and some are for normal things like sports

>> No.57237803

Vtubing is escapist media, men ruin the escapism for male viewers and women ruin the escapism for women. Its really that simple. Fewer people want to escape with a man.

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>all the bullshit excuses in this thread about "professionalism" or "sex pests"
Who do you niggers think you're fooling? We know most of you freak out just from hearing a male voice in a female's stream period. Their professionalism has jack shit to do with it. Stop being dishonest cowards and just say the truth: You don't like male collabs. Stop being a pussy.

>> No.57238210

>>57238080
I don't like male collabs and everyone in holo who does it consistently should go to hell desu

>> No.57238247

>>57230310
fpbp
deepthroat a shotgun OP

>> No.57238436

>>57238080
just cope to justify the most visibly idol-like holomems Sora, AZKI and Suisei collabing with males

>> No.57239172

>>57231412
>>57235442
>Just don't force idol vtubers to collab with males.

Nah they should be forced. Just so the pathetic "men" that are unironically attached to them romantically and need to feign a relationship with a stranger woman they don't know kills themselves. Like how can you not feel any since of shame nor embarrassment as a men and even a human being like that? I mean they already watch grown women pretend to be anime characters so I guess that already says a lot about their mental-state.

>> No.57239349

>>57239172
Vesper and Magni were terminated

>> No.57239799

>>57239172
I think their mental-state is better than someone who hates vtubers yet post /here/, at least they're doing what they like while you moves on pure seethe

>> No.57239845

>>57239349
I don't really know them nor have watched them so this doesn't really work as a retort. Also like how you could refute anything that was typed so you didn't even try to.

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57240530

>>57239172
Thank God almighty the overton window is shifting hard right and all you spiteful mutants will be in hiding or worse by the end of next year.

>> No.57241124

>>57239845
they are forever gone. and there is nothing you can do about it

>> No.57241251

>>57230310
This isn't even comparin apple to orange.
Meds now

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>>57230250

>> No.57241637

>>57232798
>Wasn't really that weird
But it was still weird. Alright then.

>> No.57241788

>>57234416
>gosling
goslings are different from a unicorn, they know it isnt real

>> No.57241792

>>57232947
No, you're just a brainwashed dickless faggot who thinks it's ok to watch a man and a woman flirting while you just sit there alone. If you have no interest in the virtual relationship aspect of vtubing then you'd pick up an actual hobby like watching sports or popular TV like a normal person. You're the fucking weirdo in this space, the cuck loser.

>> No.57246988

>>57235285
Yes, then fubuki shilled them and lost like 75% of her audience?

>> No.57247210

>>57230310
BASED BASED BASED BASED

OP GOT JIZZED ALL OVER HIS FACE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.57247623

>>57230250
most female vtubers nowadays do male collabs, no? Even a good chunk of holos do it. Do you think it is strange or bad that some don't?

>> No.57247690

>>57230310
fpbp

>> No.57247884

>>57230250
How many fucking times do I have to say that I just don't want to fucking look at male vtubers until you finally get the idea? I want to watch female women of the girl variety who have a womb and a vagina playing games and talking to their chat, not men. That's all it ever was. Holy shit. Why? Because I like looking at and listening to women. Nothing more.

>> No.57247968

>>57230250
It's literally a shitpost

>> No.57249427

>>57247884
Then skip that one rare stream and watch the rest 99% of content that has no males. easy

>> No.57249891

>>57249427
I'll skip the homocollaber and watch one that doesn't do that at all. easy.

>> No.57250544

>>57230310
Sometimes I think about how we’re simultaneously moving forwards and backwards as a society

>> No.57251567

>>57230250
>what changed?
Newfags invaded the hobby

>> No.57251645
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57251645

Male collabs=boring

simple as

>> No.57252484

>>57230250
Hololve is not the whole vtubing jeszaaaas. Its cover fault building their stuff based on japanese idol culture in the first place, now their core audience is the idolfags. And its your fault making these idolfags seems bigger that they are

>> No.57252744

>>57252484
holoESL board

>> No.57253132

>>57230310
Too based to control

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