/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

I unironically like their dynamic.

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Their dynamic destroyed Kronii's fanbase

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>>56367393
Were they really her fans if they don't accept her doing what she likes?

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>>56367415
Person that accepts everything vtuber does is not a fan. It's a slave.

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>>56367458
So you're saying a man chooses, a slave obeys?

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>>56367415
yes, they were.
being a fan isn't mindlessly supporting everything someone does, that is being indoctrinated into a cult.
being a fan is supporting someone because they do/create something you enjoy. if they stop doing that, you have no obligation to continue supporting them
this mindset of "not a true fan if you don't lick their ass 24/7 even if they change their content into something you don't enjoy" is unironically much more parasocial than the people who complained about male collabs and left. i only show such unconditional love and support for my close family members. she, i and you are all random strangers on the internet, nobody owes anyone anything

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>>56367458
If they're mentally ill then sure i guess

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>>56367375
I was excited for this. Until she had to summon the trannies to defend her. LGBTQ freaks descending upon the fandom to "correct" them? Fuck that.

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>>56367415
>>56367458
>>56367533
You now remember the days when fans actually were considered, and held sway over girls like Kiara, Mori, and Ame....

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>>56367533
based!

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>>56367415
Anon there is a difference between a fan and a yesman.
Here the difference :
Oshi : 1+1 = 11
Fan : lol you silly you really are bad it's 2
Yesman : YE SLAY QUEEN IT 11 FUCK ALL THE INCEL THAT THINK OTHERWISE THEY ARE ALL BIGGOT.

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>>56367375
ugggh, whats wrong with people, this stream literally one the best stream in hololive. Soo frickin entertaining, funny, great dinamic and comedy. I've seen kronii potential in here.

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>>56367393
Why?
What happened with the kronii drama, she just collabed with a male and people got mad?

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>>56367375
The dynamic of never having a one on one again collab for almost a year or her treating him like a butt monkey in the bigger ones?

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The Mori/Kronii/Magni/Vesper group/unit is one of the best in all of HoloPro, and is literally the only thing I would miss if the two end up being fired/graduating.

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>>56367375
They are cute together, like an old married couple

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>>56367597
Tempus truly ruined hololive EN

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Fan is short for fanatic. if people call themselves fans and get butthurt over trivial bullshit they were not fans, they are drifters, they don't matter, they never mattered.

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>>56367375
NO.

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>>56367666
schizos gonna schizo

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>>56367415
>>56367458
>>56367533
An incredible amount of nuance gets left out between
>liking everything a vtuber does no matter what
and
>going apeshit and becoming an anti when one thing goes wrong

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>>56367666
Not exactly, bae collabed with males too, even not so long ago, but you don't see the same hate to her, since she handled it like an adult and Kronii like a child making a tantrum and betraying the expectation she herself made.
I don't even care, I only watch her ok collabs, including the ones with males because she is boring unless is bullied by someone.

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>>56367704
Nah it was fucked before that. Unicorns, at least for Mori, overloaded her with cash, but also demands. The Connor Condom Fund superchat broke her, and she saw the Unicorns as solely responsible for that. She tried again after her "100% not lean" fiasco, and after being shot down in Plebbit, she basically realized listening to her vocal fans was a waste of time, thus birthing the "I'll do what i want, when i want, how i want" narrative

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>>56367375
doesn't matter I stopped watching these ungrateful whores, they don't deserve to be in hololive

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>>56367766
>since she handled it like an adult and Kronii like a child making a tantrum and betraying the expectation she herself made
Can I ask what expectations she made and how she handled it?
I've basically only seen clips of monopoly, did she get salty at some point?

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>>56367666
https://twitter.com/ourokronii/status/1571744796817100801?t=oPyqp5pDGbg-nHWd-_syXA&s=19
She flip flopped regarding male collab was the problem

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>>56367375
And where did that lead to? Things being done from that point onward just to "own" the so-called haters? Then what? After telling unicorns to fuck off, what did they gain from it? The cross-collabs were stopped cold turkey, troon management got removed, two of tempiss thrown into limbo, goodwill was lost and overall bad blood came into existence. It was simply a shitshow after another. What was even the point?

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>>56367705
let's say i'm a car fanatic and really love cars. if someone takes my car, transforms it into something almost completely different like a helicopter, am i still supposed to love my car even though it's not a car anymore?
you are a fanatic of something because of the components that make that thing. as a car fanatic you might love drifting, mechanics of car engines, lots of speed on the road etc. and that's why you are a car fanatic. if you remove these things, why would you still be a fanatic? sure it's still a transportation vehicle but you aren't a transportation vehicle fanatic, you are a car fanatic
>>56367756
i agree, but for many people male collabs is a red line. i personally don't care, i watched tempus for a long period of time and imo the magni/vesper/kronii/mori collabs are quite funny. but different people watch vtubing for different reasons and have different standards/red lines. "one thing going wrong" for you might be the focal point as to why someone watches a certain vtuber or even vtubing in general for someone else

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>>56367549
What?

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>>56367533
Well said. It's interesting how the obsessive yesmen that defend anything the vtuber does go around calling others parasocial for choosing to disagree with the vtuber.

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>>56367705
uneducated logic, kys

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>>56367849
On a member stream she read and addressed all the concerns and promised to think about them, making her audience feel listened and understood, then a couple days after being silent everywhere, she went full menhera telling everyone she will collab with whoever she wants and fuck everyone who don't like it.

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>>56367771
people also fail to consider how retarded eops took unicorns solely responsible for killing aloe so whenever the dirty word is uttered, retards think of the hecking YouTube videos detailing that one guy who called aloe a whore while ignoring the nijinigger barrage that made her quit

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>>56367771
>thus birthing the "I'll do what i want, when i want, how i want" narrative
She was always like that because she’s a womanchild rebel without a clue. Someone could tell her not to cross the street when the light’s red and she’d do it anyway, get hit by a car, and then tell everyone on the ambulance ride to the hospital that she totally meant for that to happen.

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>>56367756
How many "went apeshit" and became antis? You had koenig who spammed her chat for a while and got banned. 99% just complained among themselves and then just cut her out of their lives. You don't know what going "apeshit" and becoming "antis" are all about, because if you did you'd know kronii had it really good compared to what Coco and Aloe went through.

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>>56367415
Didnt her merch flopped so hard even Bae beat her in sales? That means most of her fans did dump her.

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>>56367375
never forgive , never forget.
"winner winner chicken dinner" eh
forever the rot of hololive mori

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>>56367666
>'Fucking whore, how DARE you do your job to stream video game content with male members of your company! Literal fuckturboslut!'
Kronies are almost singlehandedly the reason Oshi no Ko is considered realistic. They're reaping what they sowed. If you rewatch some of her older streams, you can tell she made an honest effort to have the same kind of supportive relationship as Mori, Wawa, and Moom, but they let her down.
I'm pretty sure the only reason she hasn't quit by now is because she's friends with the rest of councilrys.

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>>56367665
And that is bad, bozo. More than half of Hololive don't do male collab. If the audience got addicted to it, then they will demand it to other girls as well, which did happen.

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>>56367878
..to have fun?

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>>56367907
What? It's exactly as what I said. A massive bunch of twittards showed their precious "support" for her and started lecturing the fans on how "cruel" and "oppressive" the fandom was. Good for you if you weren't there. It was fucking revolting.

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>>56368028
if they don't wanna collab with guys, then they can respect it.. you're getting mad over a bunch of greyfags who aren't even fans in the first place....

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>>56367393
/vt/ is not her fanbase

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>>56367878
I don't have the clip on hand but Connor telling hololive fans that troon taste fans would replace them is probably what the omega administration wanted the holo en fanbase to be. just ironic anime fags who can't enjoy anything without soaking the content in irony and shame of it's origin

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>>56368051
The primary objective of an entertainer is to entertain their audience

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>>56368051
Okay, and where's that "fun" now? Because Fubuki collabs with Oga/Matsuri with Arurun regularly, and it's genuinely fun when that happens. Towa's also fun to watch when she plays with men. They never did things out of spite, though. Why do you think the JPs are still doing great?

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>>56367862
There was a post explaining she flip-flopped, ending up completely disregarding fan's opinion.

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>>56368165
Yeah. And she has done it. What's the problem?

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>>56367756
>nuance
lol
lmao even
this is /vt/, there's no space for nuance.
either we slurp up our oshi's bodily fluids, or we anti her and her entire company

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>>56368077
This says nothing about trannies schizo.

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>>56368178
that's because they never did it out of spite? what is this projection?
>Because Fubuki collabs with Oga/Matsuri with Arurun regularly, and it's genuinely fun when that happens.
literally the definition of "It's ok when JP does it" and "if they can't speak English then it can't hurt me" it's hypocritical at best...

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>>56368183
Right here >>56368016
It was betrayal, plain and simple

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>>56367951
>she went full menhera telling everyone she will collab with whoever she wants and fuck everyone who don't like it
This >56367862 is a really weird way of being menhera and saying "fuck everyone"
I honestly think you're being a little extreme anon

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>>56368203
Really? Large portion of her fanbase didn't feel that way and stopped buying her merch tho?

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>>56368270
>Large portion of her fanbase didn't feel that way and stopped buying her merch tho?
ok, can you show me proof to prove it?

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>>56367375
I want that slut to leave my poor Granpire alone

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>>56368226
Read between the lines, dumbass. She was effectively airing dirty laundry and the vultures swooped in. It should have been a purely internal matter, and quietly dealt with. If you didn't see abominations with their hideous profile pictures and rainbow/toothpaste flags cheering her on while shitting on the fans, idol culture and the industry as a whole, then you must have been wilfully blind. Some even started shitting on the Japanese for "creating" such a "vile" culture.

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>>56368270
i know gabe felt betrayed kek

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>>56368234
Being obtuse is a form of mental illness. And it's ok when JP does it because they always do it for fun. None of this "improve yourselves" or "I'll do whatever the fuck I want" and other patronising bullshit.

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>>56367375
Me too. I'm so happy that Cover gave them time off to go on their honeymoon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56368338
I understand now. I thought you meant actually complaining about sexism or smth.

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>>56368391
>>56368389
yup honestly i hope they just graduate together and be happy,
kek
who are we kidding they gonna be deranged losers and vesper gotta watch kronii do her onlyfans to pay the bills cucking him LMAO

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>>56367458
based

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>>56368389
I’m guessing they don’t get salty at fans cuz of the extreme politeness culture and all that, same reason they probably don’t get as many people openly complaining about it to them.

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>>56367375
I do as well, my problem with Kronii's response was her push back on shipping her with the guys, I just wanted to make jokes about it.

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>>56368668
That's because they know how to differentiate between fans and antis. Towa mockingly called her antis "cute" and Fubuki always took things in stride, even when those bugmen were shitting up her art tag. Both often profess their gratitude to their fans. People like kronii, on the other hand, only want yes-men and everyone else are just "haters".

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>>56367375
>their dynamic
Down?

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>>56368793
Fubuki has a turing love cover with oga and shien. I personally don't support any homocollabers, because they all contribute to hololive becoming more niji.

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>>56367375
i feel like the better way of not showing love to male livers is just by not watching them, which is what i do. i genuinely have no interest in their content, doesn't matter who they collab with. people kept talking about these collabs, and i kind of like kronii, but my interest is so little in vesper that even her presence isn't enough to make me ever watch it. i'm not fucked in the head enough to follow a chuuba's content even if it goes in a direction i don't like.
that's what i like in hololive, there really aren't a lot of male collabs, so you can avoid them if you wish to, and they will usually not get much skilled by the talents. it's not like vesper seems to be coming back any soon anyway.

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>>56368389
>None of this "improve yourselves" or "I'll do whatever the fuck I want" and other patronising bullshit.
You never stop to think what caused such a problem in the first place. Being told to improve yourself is a step in the right direction you're a grown ass man damn it. Man up and take it.

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>>56367375
Vesper was the only homo that wasn't a faggot. I'll miss him.

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>>56368938
I wish there are more like you, but this board has been infested with mental illness

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>>56368939
You don't tell people to improve themselves : you inspire them to do so. If you couldn't do the latter, you're in no position to talk about self-improvement. You'd just be a hypocrite.

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>>56368939
>Man up and take it.
I have never heard this phrase from anyone worthy of respect. Most often I hear it from women who are mad at men for not putting up with their bullshit.

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>>56368939
Coming from ame, that's so fucking rich. She's little better than your average NEET. Just as how I have no need of people /here/ giving me "life advice", I didn't need to take shit from her.

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>>56368939
I'll never consider watching the homos an improvement like ame suggested. That was just a dumb thing to say

[Anonymous No.]

I watched a lot of Vesper but I couldn't care less about Kronii. And I skipped their collab. What am I?

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>>56367756
Vox's fans "went apeshit and became anti". Kronii and vesper faced nothing of this caliber. The worst is shitposting on /vt/ where they'd never see it unless they visited the cesspool and a lot of it was falseflagging. Female unicorns have been proven to be far more deranged because they will directly @ the talent.

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>>56367458
Person that cares about everything a vtuber does is not a fan, it’s a retard

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>>56369104
NTA, but it clearly means to improve yourself as a person, no one is telling you to watch the homos you dumbfuck retard.

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>>56367375
one updoot for you sirs

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>>56368292
And it was never answered...

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>>56367458
>>56367756
thread peaked here

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>>56369173
Based

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>>56369173
a sister-at-arms

[Anonymous No.]

Her fans were unironically going to accept the collabs, it was the flipflop that killed her.

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>>56367705
fanaticism is a trait looked down upon

[Anonymous No.]

genuine question
why does everyone on this board say "males" instead of "men"
is it supposed to be a reference to incels saying "females", or is it actually unironic?

[Anonymous No.]

Forget Kronii and pour your love and attention to the new girls instead.
Everyone happy.

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>>56369523
Because they tend to be even prissier drama queens than the girls are.

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>>56369597
>forget kronii

What do you think I did a year ago? It's just that the remaining kronies keep slithering out of their shitty /infinity/.

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>>56368016
>>56368026
welp.
huh

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>>56369523
They refer to male vtubers. Saying "men" would be too restrictive because there are men who chuubas can collab with just fine.

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>>56368975
(you)

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>>56369329
morality is made the FUCK up, so any statement of that nature is just "be more like my ideals i dislike you" and such things should be met with ambivalence

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>>56369271
Nothing can compare to chinese women. This is an unfair comparison.

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>>56368793
It's a cultural/upbringing difference. Fubuki seems to have been in a stable place mentally and not looking for approval(i do not watch her often if at all but this is what it seems like). Kronii seems to be more online and has had things like imposter syndrome. Her "do you not have friends" while funny shows she doesn't understand how to tell people to fuck off and is looking to reason with the unreasonable.

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>>56369032
I hear that mostly from grifters or old men and women who are too lazy to give a more satisfying answer.

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>>56368016
Jesus christ, people watch chuubas to escape 3DPD shenanigans and then Kronii goes and does this. Fucking hell, former Kronies have my sympathies now.

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>>56367375
For me, I didn't like it much. I don't like Kronii to begin with, and watching a dude take psychic damage every time she speaks doesn't entertain me. It wasn't worth all the hate and drama it brought both parties.

[Anonymous No.]

It's the same exact discussion every week, every day, every thread. Gotta love /vt/

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>>56368026
>cultivate parasocial gosling fanbase
>openly flirt with a man in front of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>56367415
This is you

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>>56371508
nta but i think what he means is that you should support her/other people for her content and entertainment and not for "other reasons"

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>>56368016
i regret reading this

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>>56367533
Your making sound like the only real fans she has are the ones constantly shiting on her choices to.collab with anyone with a penis

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>>56367375
Yeah. Too bad Ves gone rogue.

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>>56367898
Who wouldn't want a helicopter?

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>>56371885
I'm pretty sure most people would still not like it if something they like gets taken away and transformed into something else. Fighters jets are cooler than helis anyway.

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>>56367705
I am a fan of McDonald's french fries because I like them. I like the current McDonald's french fries. I would stop being a fan of McDonald's french fries if they replaced them with rat poison. That does not mean I was not a fan of McDonald's french fries, it means I am not a fan of something that is nearly the direct opposite of McDonald's french fries, that something being rat poison. I am not more or less of a fan of McDonald's french fries because I do not enjoy rat poison.
Kronii fucked up. She cultivated a GFE fanbase and then didn't like she was locked in to the rules that apply when you have a GFE fanbase. If she were aware of idol culture (which you assume she is), she would have fully understood what she was doing when she decided to break the rules of a GFE fanbase.

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>>56368016
lmao i remember those times
>Kronii understand us!
>clockchads we won
and then those tweets happened

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>>56369523
males is just short for "male vtuber" because saying "man vtuber" or "men vtubers" sounds stupud.

[Anonymous No.]

So if you were her manager, how would you get her redemption arc rolling?

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>>56367375
>>56367393
Their dynamic destroyed Kronii. It severely crippled her merch sales and SC revenue to the point where she became the lowest earning member of Holo EN. Then something must've gone real bad between them because she stopped collabing with Vesper and banned his name from chat. And of course the whole fiasco ultimately ended with him getting fired. Another rousing success for Tempus!

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>>56372462
Make her do a GFE asmr stream to signify a change in direction and restore her original promises which was to not stream male collabs. She doesn't need to apologise outwardly, I think that would just add fuel to the fire but clearly indicating to fans who have been betrayed that the train is back on the rails is the best way.

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>>56367393
She looks like she's doing fine to me. Any fans that left were fans she didn't need to have.

[Anonymous No.]

>kronii collabs with males
Fans anti her instead of skipping the 2(?) streams she did on her channel with men. They say make your intentions to collab with males clear at the start.
>shori says respect my collab choices on her first stream
Literally couldn't make it clear any earlier but gets the most antis on /vt/ for doing exactly what they asked. Real mask-off moment because it demonstrates that it was never about clarity, it was always about control over these women.

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>>56368051
>..to have fun?
Kronii's job isn't to have fun. It's to make money by entertaining her audience and she miserably failed at it when she started doing Tempus collabs.

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>>56372650
Her merch is not doing fine tho

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>>56369173
A Tempus fan.

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>>56367375
No you don't. You just want to post the same thread with the same image because it will always attract a lot of posts

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>>56367375
>post vesper and kronies
>schizoroniis flock to the thread
it’s just too easy

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>>56372716
Shiori is clearly attempting to be GFE. Then stating that she will more or less collab with whoever she wants is very suspicious that she is going to pull a Kronii then try to deflect by saying that she already told everyone. She thinks that by performing some foreshadowing logic trap, "Oh you guys knew what you were signing up to" that it is going to somehow temper the anger that people are going to feel. People are going to be angry regardless if she chooses to do a male collab and contineus with the hardcore GFE. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You don't get all the benefits of GFE and all the benefits of being male-collaber. They're more or less mututally exclusive.

That's why people are annoyed. People, all around the world, do not like fence sitters.

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>>56369523
>why does everyone on this board say "males" instead of "men"
/vt/ says "men" and "males" interchangeably, tourist.

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>>56367375
It's literally the only Kronii content I'd watch.

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>>56372820
I'm sure it is. Even if it's the "lowest selling of EN" (and I'm sure you have no way of proving that across the board), that doesn't mean that it's not doing fine

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>>56372943
When she actively flirts with a male collab partner I'll agree with you.

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>>56372916
If you haven't noticed, the OP has attracted you to posts here too.

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>>56372716
>Fans anti her
Kronii deserved it.
>shiori
Shiori deserved it.
>it was always about control over these women
Tards need to be wrangled.

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>>56369271
>he conveniently skips the containment breakers that ruined an entire Kronii stream sending anti SC’s and the people that go around spamming Vespers chat

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>>56367962
doesn’t mean she isn’t a dramawhore and a retard, it probably inadvertently saved hololive

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>Tempiss turned out to be a massive fucking flop that finally convinced Cover to get rid of the retarded en management
>most of DA BOIZ are glorified Nijimales with Vesper being the worst offender and spending most of his pathetic career causing drama on purpose and acting like a spiteful bitch
>Kronii reached her lowest point ever after collabing with dudes and found her income slashed in half, now desperately trying to get back into the Holobox
>turns out the homobeggars yelling incel were don't give a fuck about Hololive and only care about their bullshit anti idol crusade
can't believe you can still try to argue about this bullshit after getting exposed and losing on every front

[Anonymous No.]

You need more males in the collabs because women in-fight too much eventually.

Men give women a focus to direct their emotions at.

Also the comedy is peak in these streams because of the natural male/female dynamic.

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>>56373008
>I'm sure it is.
You're wrong.

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>>56373290
Just watch Cucksanji sister.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56373335
You're just watching girls hang out. It's unnatural. You're not meant to have a glimpse into that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56371562
same desu

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>>56373290
>You need more males in the collabs because women in-fight too much eventually.
KEK. Nice try sister but Tempus fucking devastated EN. It's too late for the flimsy rationalizations.

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>>56373520
Why?

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>>56373078
The writing is on the wall, anon. There would be no need to say "respect my collab choices" if she was not planning on doing something that she knows would upset the fanbase that she is deliberately trying to cultivate. The fact she is aware of it but doesn't just explicitly say "If I want to collab with anyone, guy or girl, I will" is deceiving, she deliberately used obtuse language to build in plausible deniability and to drive her initial growth with mixed promises. It will be a worse shit show than Kronii because at least with Kronii you could give her the benefit of the doubt and say she had a menhera woman moment and got convinced by twitter trannies. With Shiori, she is outwardly trying to manipulate a fanbase with a Schrodinger's statement which says she is both not GFE and GFE at the same time until a time comes when she gets to make the decision on whatever is most convenient for her at the time:
>Oh I collabed with a male and you don't like it? Well I already told you, so that's your fault for being upset.
>Oh I refuse to collab with males and you don't like it? Well I already told you, so that's your fault for being upset.

I mean, I don't watch her because I'm hard filtered by her voice but I'm sad that such a sex model got wasted on such a conniving cunt.

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>>56369523
None of these male chuubas act like real men, that's why

[Anonymous No.]

I'm starting to wonder if most of the people starting this shit arent actual holo fans but rather nijiniggers skinwalking as holo fans so they can infiltrate and cause drama. I mean call me schizo but this persistence of keeping up the same convo for over a year raises some eyebrows for me

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>>56373655
Any day now sister.
>don't watch her
no fucking shit we know

[Anonymous No.]

>>56373797
I'm an indie only, I just think the corpo drama is funny.

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>>56373655
>There would be no need to say "respect my collab choices" if she was not planning on doing something that she knows would upset the fanbase that she is deliberately trying to cultivate.
Yeah but does it mean male collabs or does it mean she wants to collab with girls outside of Hololive? Nobody really knows because she was so fucking vague.

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>>56373299
Nice cope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>56373797
Personally, I find it fascinating to see actual former Kronies air out their grievances.

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>>56373895
>no argument
I accept your surrender

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>>56373865
>Nobody really knows because she was so fucking vague.
That's why it's deceving. It was deliberately vague so she can justify whatever action she wants and dispel all possible fan upset by just referring back to her debut and blaming her fans. Which of course is a winning strategy and people will continue to watch her out of a logical obligation because "yeah she did say that didn't she..."

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>>56373299
Proof then faggot.

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>>56372716
Shiori is leaning into her "goth girlfriend question mark" character. Despite the weird crap she says, she can be very sweet overall. She interacts with her fans very often in comments, the community tab, and social media. There are plenty of folks that not been filtered by her occasional abrasiveness, and have fallen for her hard. Even if she is being ironic about her character, the gachikoi have already overlooked her debut warning and the wisdom of her old fans.

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>>56373797
Anon we've been knowing this since fucking forever. We have countless proof of it and some of these fags even admitted it. The recent Fuwamoco "drama" has been one of the most ridiculous astroturfing attempts I've ever seen.
You can literally see random Holo suddenly getting a persistent schizo the moment they get good /numbers/. Even completely inoffensive ones like Fauna or IRyS.

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>>56373290
This would only work if they weren't all sex pests. This is why EN doesn't work. It's all about the wrong things. If there was a genuinely good male vtuber to collab with nobody would care. Just get an older guy and make him play "Punished Vtuber" or something. As it stands, Male EN's are drama queens and sex pests

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>>56374045
>the gachikoi have already overlooked her debut warning
Sounds like it would be the gachikoi's fault then rather than the streamer but who will get anti'd? The streamer of course.

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>>56373971
>It was deliberately vague so she can justify whatever action she wants and dispel all possible fan upset
If she really thinks that's going to work then she's sorely mistaken kek.

>>56373985
There was proof back when her merch sales got leaked. I don't care about proving it to you though. Kronii knows her revenue is in the gutter which is most likely why her bad behavior did an abrupt 180 she stopped doing Tempus collabs. Whether or not some homosister on /vt/ believes it irrelevant.

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>>56373933
You need to give an argument first

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>>56374294
Was this around the time her merch got that 2nd run because it didn't sell well the first time around?

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>>56374217
>Sounds like it would be the gachikoi's fault then rather than the streamer but who will get anti'd? The streamer of course.
Nigger, you're just confirming the prediction that's been made and blaming the fans rather than shirori for being a deliberately manipulative cunt. Are the gachokoi retarded? Yes. But Shiori knows they're retarded and is taking advantage of it so she can make more money by exploiting trust. It's a bad thing for the entire industry.

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>>56373971
This strategy feels good but it never works out - same with some people who think they can come up with some watertight social contract they can point to and say 'technically X didn't reeeally break the rules so you shouldn't be angry'. It doesn't matter how watertight you make your logic because humans mainly use post-rationalization to justify their decisions to themselves. Especially for decisions with zero social consequences like simply ceasing to watch someone. You can come up with a million excuses from 'I always knew it was a lie' to 'she got less interesting' and believe it utterly.

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>>56374374
>2nd run
I don't know what you're talking about but it was when she released her latest merch, whenever that was. Before the leak was squashed people could see she didn't even move 100 units. Shit was grim.

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>>56367393
Sometimes life is unfair. Other times, people get what they deserve. Fortunately for me, I'm not attracted to Koreans, so I'm in the minority that can enjoy certain homos being in the same stream as her.

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>>56367393
You got it wrong their dynamic was fine it was Altair the blue fag

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>>56374294
If you truly don't care what "some homosister on /vt/ believes" then why did you even bring it up?

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>>56371648
That's not what he said at all

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>>56374067
ok im happy im not going crazy. I cannot see any genuine hololive fan being this angry about a group of men they dont watch for more than a week at most because there's too many quality streams going on for them. this is very pathetic bug like behavior

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>>56372943
Yeah, it's weird, but we'll see how it goes.

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>>56367375
We know cuck.

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>>56369311
Most sanest post ever.

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>>56371545
NTA but that would be hypocritical of me to do. I watch content creators other than vtubers/hololive. If she was another content creator and she did something outside of what I deemed tolerable or attacked her fanbase (me included or not). I would dislike her as a person, not her content. So, It doesn't matter what content she makes at that point. I'm not watching or supporting someone that I have a perceived dislike of and that same person has a perceived dislike of me. It's retarded but I don't really think it's an uncommon stance to hold. Idubbz, h3h3, etc. are some of those that turned on their fanbase. The content they make might even still be up to the same entertainment value as before or even improved. But, I and the people that left wouldn't know because I and the ex-fans don't watch them.

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>>56368077
60k+ likes btw

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>>56372943
>>56372943
>and all the benefits of being male-collaber
What benefits? It has been years and I still don't understand this part

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>>56375808
to own the chuds.

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>>56375540
Because that homosister wanted to know why I'm not spoonfeeding him proof so I made the courteous gesture of telling him.

>>56375632
>I cannot see any genuine hololive fan being this angry about a group of men they dont watch
Any genuine Hololive fan would want Tempus nuked from orbit for all the damage they've done to Holo EN.

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>>56375811
I'd get pretty exhausted interacting with catty schizo vtubing whores 24/7. Interacting with a low maintenance dude is probably a nice change of pace.

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>>56373290
>Also the comedy is peak in these streams because of the natural male/female dynamic.
You sound like an alien or autistic

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>>56368016
I wonder what Kronii felt when she saw Gabe go full schizo

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>>56374294
The leak back then was basically because the website was coded too naively. The programmer obviously didn't see any issue with helpfully informing the user when there was insufficient stock (and technically there really isn't any issue). But this meant that by using something like the two-egg solution you could quickly determine the exact amount of stock by seeing when the system told you there wasn't enough and when your cart would fill.
From there people simply did the math, and anyone who bothered could verify it instantly.

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>>56374067
>IRyS
>inoffensive
She offends public morals with that juicy ass

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after reading this entire thread you've convinced me to start being a fan of kronii - simply because you're all literally schizophrenic and deeply in need of medication.

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>>56367375
Yeah which is why Kronii should follow Vesper out the door so they can keep collabing.

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>>56375808
>60k+ likes
>her last stream did 6k CCV
Uh oh looks like twitter trannies don't watch streams

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>>56376297
>All modern kroniis just exist to own the chudcells

thanks for proving the entire narrative.

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>>56376297
>after reading this entire thread you've convinced me to start being a fan of kronii
How much money do you plan on giving her?

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>>56374564
It was whichever set had the boros pillow that got extended and the sales were shit because that was when Cover fucked up their shipping and freight cost more than the set

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>>56376099
Dude once shaved his head mid stream and posted pictures. She should have seen it coming

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>>56373290
>You need more males in the collabs because women in-fight too much eventually.
Oh yeah? that may explain the current state of nijiEN and why vshojo split, they didn't have enough males to collab with

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>>56376297
Go back to Twitter with your performative activism. You don't give a shit about Kronii

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>>56367898
>collabing with males occasionally is the same as changing everything about the original product
Don’t like don’t watch is pretty cliche at this point, but you can legitimately just not watch male collabs if they’re such an issue.

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So did Kronii be affected by this mood-wise or is she the same as always boring now?

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>>56376918
>you can legitimately just not watch male collabs if they’re such an issue.
Nope. That isn't a solution. There must be an extreme, vocal backlash to male collabs in order to discourage them from happening. It's the only way to stop the cancer from spreading.

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>>56374217
She shouldn't do GFE content then, also thanking every single super chatter by name is a red flag.

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>>56377036
The last I heard of Kronii she was holed up in Japanese hotel room trying to avoid the outside world. Interpret this as you may.

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>>56377109
>It's the only way to stop the cancer from spreading.
If you want to stop the cancer from spreading, then kill yourself.

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>>56376297
We don't need anymore fake fans.

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>>56376918
Ironically that just brings us to the second issue with Kronii and why she got way more shit thrown at her at the time compared to someone like Bae - lack of streams
If you didn't watch male collabs this week then this was basically a dead week

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>>56377279
Your rage just amuses me, trannysister

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>>56376297
Ogey

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>>56367375
>A thread died for this homobeggar bullshit
Thank God this piece of shit Vesprick got suspended twice. He must be a serial rapist. Also fuck you, you fucking homo asshole OP. YWNBAW

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>>56377279
Tempus sister..

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>>56377446
that person he raped?
me

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>>56377550
Yes Kronii we know

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>>56377428
>Your rage just amuses me
>seething about some random ass superchat
Doubt

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>>56377650
>>56377550
Cope and seethe, you mentally ill homofaglords
Fuck off back to Twitter

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>>56377909
>seething
Yeah that's what you're doing kek

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>>56377997
>no u
Lol

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>>56367375
Where one's dead, and the other has no will to stream any longer?

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>>56376297
>Oshi a chuba you never watch to own someone
This is literally the dumbest shit i have ever read.

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>>56376099
"good riddance"

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>>56373584
nta, but I come here for funny shit, not seeing genuinely pathetic and hopeless people
that just bums me out

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>>56367756
It's a pretty fundamental "thing". Moreover, she did no male collabs at all until Tempus came out, so people had the wrong expectations.
With Bae, everyone knew what they were in for right away, so no one could get mad when those collabs happened.
But Kronii fucked up big time in how she handled it all.

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>>56376099
Poor guy got banned from her chat mid stream with him going full on schizo.

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>>56373266
Homobeggars and sisters won’t refute this ever kek

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>>56367375
they are the funniest holo duo
>>56367393
see >>56367415 if you fuck of because your imaginary girlfriend has male coworkers then she sure as hell is way better off without you lol
>>56368077
not one trannie mentioned, wtf i was promised shecock
+ freely choosing who to play games with is actually the standart for every non-retard lol
>>56373766
sister has never seen a men before, poor thing

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>>56367375
As someone who watches a lot flesh streamers group like OTV, this duo bored me. I've this seen this kind of "man says cursed woman react" or "woman says cursed man react" dynamic for the hundred times already. When i watched that stream, i stopped seeing anime girl and boy but instead i saw 2 flesh streamers doing cringe shit. But it seems like, for a not small amount of people, vtuber or Kronii in specific was their first exposure to this kind of thing, it's fresh and they love it (well they didn't stay though).

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>>56379817
>they are the funniest holo duo
So funny that she stopped collabing with him and banned his name from her chat.
>if you fuck of because your imaginary girlfriend has male coworkers then she sure as hell is way better off without you lol
Actually I'm pretty sure Kronii was better off WITH her paypigs and regrets losing them, sister.

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>>56379817
Holy ESL-chama...

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>>56380206
>So funny that she stopped collabing with him and banned his name from her chat.
i don't know what happens in her chat, i always hide that shit anyways
>sister
well, you had a 50/50 chance buddy, but you'll get it right next time i promise
>>56380536
>ESL
the vast majority of people is esl, yes
you burgerlanders are 400 million, while there are over 8 billion people, not hard to see amerifats are a minority if you look at the bigger picture lol

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>>56376297
What a dumb reason to start watching someone

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>>56367458

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>>56373584
Because it was sad. Some anons on here are like /r9k/ levels of pathetic and it bums me out when they effort post like that.

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>>56367458
Maybe get an oshi that never does anything wrong?

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>>56382375
easy, just like that
like i did, and never had a bad experience in a stream of her

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>>56380206
I always hear about this and that she's using the Mori strat and being sweeter to her chat. I was filtered by her boring streams near debut and never watched her solo stuff, anyone care to confirm or debunk this?

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>>56376337
I do not like this image, Its smug aura mocks me.

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>>56367375
I do too but Kronii's not my oshii so I didn't have a stake in it.

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>>56367458
Based. I will NEVER watch Apex

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>>56382375
But everything about Mumei is wrong.

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>>56377404
i hope kroniies move on there's a better oshi to us now
called Nerissa
don't go for 2nd rate Nerissa (kronii)

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>>56367375
I only watched this one video with them together and it was the first time Kronii was ever funny. Legitimately hilarious collab so I understand why they wanted to do it more.

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>>56367898
This car is not yours, it never was.

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>>56369523
It's actually black culture. They call each other that.

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>>56376677
NTA but
>nijiEN
Black company gonna black.
>why vshojo split
Depends on how your asking about, Nyan has always been prone to just fucking off and abandoning what she's currently doing. Vei has a rich retard of a boyfriend and always came off as shallow as fuck, so its not surprising if she joined purely for the eyes on her and bolted when she was settled. IDK about silver cause the HP drama muddies the water on what her reason could be.

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>>56374997
this right from the start. I'm not a kronii fan but I expected respect and some distance because we are not used to mixed collabs in HL but this guy roasted her right of the bat

[Anonymous No.]

Normalfag thread

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>>56367375
Vesper's dick saved Kronii fron LGBT nb troonery.

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>>56367375
while I don't enjoy males, I have to admit this stream was kino. I felt like I could self-insert as vampire man

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>>56367375
The audio quality filtered me. Uno/Monopoly/Mario Party are good collab games in the sense that it focuses on the game. >>56368016 is a big oof though. I sort of get why we see so many kronies and ex-kronies exploring other vtubers.
>>56376486
I wonder how much of a filter that would actually be. There's using a proxy to buy right? I haven't had to do so yet (not a Kronie), but if the costs got too high to buy my Oshi's stuff, I'd spend time to figure out how to buy via a proxy. I'd spread that information around too. Don't dedicated fans voluntarily do things like this? Also, doesn't she have fans in Asia, shipping shouldn't affect them in the same way.

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This entire thread is mega gay. You have unicunts convincing themselves thinking they're in the right but are actually complete assholes. Then there are ironic homolovers here simply just want to own the incels for some updoots.Then there's the occasional numberfag attempting to prove a point with "muh numbers" because everything they see is a statistic and an arms race. Fucking fat pieces of shit.

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>>56367393
no it didn't, it purged unicucks and introduced better replacement fans

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>>56376337
OH NO ONLY 6K? SHES GONNA STARVE!

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>>56391522
And where were your precious males masters of mental stability to help keep those menheras in check? Huh?
>*spits at the floor in your direction*
Homobeggar

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>>56398499
>poorfags who don't buy merch and don't watch streams
>better replacement
kek

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>>56367375
cool, you should check out twitch or niji

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>>56398838
If she still makes good money then yes since she doesn’t have to worry as much about retards policing her interactions.

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>>56399197
Is that why she completely dropped every single homo interaction and is now desperately trying to win some gachi back?
But hey I'm sure it was worth losing thousands of dollars of easy income for a faggot who spent most of his career suspended and is currently getting the boot.

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>>56367375
>the collab that killed Kronii
was it worth it?

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>>56368016
what did she tweet? is that a random's boxer?

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I remember when Kronii used to stream. Those were the good old days....

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>>56367393
The superchats and stream vibes are must better without the hyper-scizos

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>>56399378
Pretty sure shes still doing okay anon, Kronii is still a comfortable 4view without you.

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>>56367533
You would have a point if the argument was about a chuuba's self-destructive tendency, like staying up at ungodly hours for days whether it's due to game addiction or being workaholic, eating too much unhealthy food, or having any other kind of health-related problems that she would keep on brushing off

This is about her playing a game with a dude for a couple hours

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>>56367415
>Were they really her fans if they don't accept her doing what she likes?
Kronii didn't want unicorns in her fan base so would be accurate to say that she wanted that. Cover was encouraging Tempus collabs but even they have put that on pause so they can promote Splash Party.

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>>56399378
What is this narrative? The world doesn't revolve around cunts like you... Jesus christ

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>>56367951
Sounds to me like she did think about them and decided she didn't care.

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>>56369104
>his only conception of self improvement is consooming a different product
No wonder you sperg out at imagined scenarios so often.

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>>56400205
>>56400771
Cope and seethe troons.

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>>56376046
I could agree with that, but then why do it on stream? Just hang out offline without talking about it as the chuuba and you'd get all the benefit with none of the drawback.

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My favorite HoloEN content bar none is Mori, Kronii, Magni, and Vesper in the same room.

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>>56373290
Buddy you do NOT understand why and how women go schizo.
I had a friend who used to work in an office with almost only women as the only guy for a while once, he told me they were unbearable. Drama all the time, cattiness, shit talking behind each others back, but when they also used him as a kind of "third party" to it all, bitching and whining and crying to him all the time. One day they hired some more people, all guys, I think he said about 5 or so. Some of the women liked a few of the guys, and all hell broke loose. They'd do anything to get the attention of the guy they liked, talking and yammering on all the time with them instead of working, which only made the job more stressful. They'd do or say anything to make themselves look good sure, but they'd do more to make the other girls look WORSE. The shit talking only got worse, sometimes to the point they started doing it to their faces and screaming at each other. Told me he got the feeling if any of the guys actually ended up dating one of the girls, the others who liked him would probably #MeToo his ass at that.
If you ever get a job anywhere and see too many women working there, get another one as soon as you can. Men can only work as a multiplier for women's menhera asses unless they're allowed to properly force them to calm down, not enable them, which is going to get you fired in any work environment. Women just aren't made for it.

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>>56367533
of course you need to mindlessly support a chuba, otherwise you're a filthy anti (according to redditfags and discordtrannies)

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>>56400771
>>56400986
>>56401275
Back to twitter you go, trannychama

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>>56367375
Then why did Kronii ban the word Vesper from her chat?

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>>56401454
>>56402751
>everything I don’t like is troons

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>>56376297
you're joking but I started watching her more after that stream, she's funny.
any archived membership content I should know of?

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>>56367375
one is male
the other one desperately desires to be male but her model has some of the most feminine features in hololive
it works out

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>>56402751
>Carefully constructed argument
>TRANNY TRANNY
Mindbroken

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>Mori
>A mentally unstable retard that can't handle some online heat
>Kronii
>a mentally unstable retard that can't handle some online heat
>Mori and Kronii befriended the two most mentally unstable holostarEN's, both are troublemakers, one of them got suspended, both are currently in either a suspension or in limbo as far as their contracts go

They all got along because Vesper and Magni are just the male versions of Mori and Kronii in terms of how they deal with being vtubers and general online interactions. AKA they do everything wrong.

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>>56367458
>tfw when you're the slavedriver of Kronii no less
Thanks Ks*n-chama...

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>>56369523
They don't want to admit the homos as bigger chad and that's why they call them homos and fags
/vt/ is a den of paranoia and insecurity

[Anonymous No.]

>>56416165
gonna take you (You) virginity before they start biting like the estrogen brained dramafags they are

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>>56367375
Too bad he is getting kicked out