/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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I want to learn Japanese to understand my 2 view oshi. What's the fastest way to reach basic proficiency?

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>Japanese "oshi"
>can't speak Japanese
????

[Anonymous No.]

Read raw hentai

[Anonymous No.]

https://learnjapanese.moe/guide/

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>>56240141
grinding vocab
there is a good thread with link to all kinds of helpful resources over on /jp/. grab the resources and never look at any other post there since it will be just shitflinging between wanabe thread celebs
from what i remember from it Anki is good for vocab grinding
also just listening to the language as much as you can tends to help especily if you have visuals to go with it so your brain starts noticing the patterns

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>>56240328
>>56240391
>>56240589
This, this and this
Learn kana, learn grammatical point, grind for vocab and kanji,... All of that while doing a lot of immersion.

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>>56240141
Get a basic grasp of the grammar then watch streams and grind vocab.

[Anonymous No.]

date/marry a japanese.
you can speak japanese in one month
t. married japanese girl

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>>56240141
Fubuki's thread has an excellent guide.

[Anonymous No.]

talk to japanese people and make mistakes/learn from them. you're too autistic to do that though

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>>56242897
How do I meet them?

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All they do is say "yabai" and shit anyways. Just learn like 10 words and you'll understand the gist of everything.

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>>56240141
>I want to learn Japanese
Read the /jp/ guide https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/
>What's the fastest way to reach basic proficiency?
Become an ajatter.

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>>56243154
>/jp/ guide
kys spammer

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>>56243043
vrchat japanese worlds

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Bare minimum effort to understand some of what they're saying
>Learn kana (at least hiragana), it will take like 4 days at most
>learn meme phrases and most common verbs and adjectives.
>https://guidetojapanese.org/learn/category/complete-guide/complete-start/
>put on some YouTube series like Tim Rogers' series on FF7's translation or Japanese from Zero whenever you have time.
>Watch Okayu and Botan clips where they're playing a game with text chat. Look up words you don't know.
Actually getting a grasp on Japanese
>pretty much the /jp/ guide and the famous VN vocab deck, plus
>Watch English content with Japanese subtitles
>Find a pdf of the Nihongo So Matome N5, N4 and N3 workbooks and do them

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watch slice of life anime, good for learning everyday words and phrases

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>>56240391
Facts about moeway and his guide:

>His “guide is actually just a money grab
>He posts on 4chan every day begging for donations and advertising his scam
>He doesn’t even know Japanese unlike the creator of the official djt guide Tatsumoto

Beginners, be sure to use only the official djt guide by Tatsumoto if you want to make it! >>56243154

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>>56245423
>>56243154
FUCKING KEK ARE YOU INSANE?‼ thats tatsucuckholds site, thats a mentally ill spammer friend, never take anything said there seriously
>>/jp/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=tatsumoto
https://find.4chan.org/?q=tatsumoto#top
proof
he just began spamming again, hope the mods filter his worthless spam soon‼

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>>56245667
>>56240391
>>56244120
This moeway guy doesn't know English or Japanese. He's an ESL who spends all day spamming his poorly written "guide" on 4chan so that people give him money on Patreon. Pretty pathetic.

If you want to learn Japanese, follow people who actually know jack shit when it comes to learning a foreign language. Tatsumoto's guide to Japanese is among them.

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>>56245423
>>56245667
>>56245743
What I'm getting from this discussion is that there's no way to actually learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>watch an anime episode with english subtitles
>rewatch it again with japanese subtitles
easy

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>>56240243
>knowing one word
>being fluent at a language
By your standard, Pekora knows English.

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>>56240141
Whatever you decide to do, you drink drink beer, bitch. Kanpai, you bitch.

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>>56248662
He gave me the motivation to start, so this is a correct answer
>>56246971
Look at /int/ djt archives from around 5 years ago, before all these retards started popping up

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>>56240141
Start studying and stop loss your time like being here

[Anonymous No.]

Watch anime
Watch clips
Congrats, you're now able to enjoy your 2 view oshi

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>>56246971
What you need to understand is that is not a foolproof way to learn a language. People learn a differents rates and enjoy differents things. I enjoy learning the theory first and then put it in practice. Someone would have the inverse approach. Just focus in the things that you want to learn. For example I dread reading VN but most of the people is a great way to learn.
In short, just found a learning resource that you enjoy and stick with it.

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https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/ still down

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>>56246971
Get your basics down and start immersion. It's like magic.

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>>56252242
I want to read simple text like children's books but I cant fine anything free and for one reason japaneses paid services are a nightmare, so could someone give me a hand?

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>>56240141
fubes general pastebin guide

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>>56246971
Do not trust anyone that shills Tatsunoko's guide, only the most autistic people on this planet could learn that way. The Resources page is good though.
Not sure why people hate on the Moe guide, just do the summary which is what most people here anyway recommend (Kana -> Basic Words -> Grammar -> Vocab grind).

>>56253513
Manga is more accessible and easier to read since it mostly conversations.
If you feel like Manga is too easy for you then you can check out itazuraneko's library: https://itazuranekoyomi.neocities.org/library/shousetu/shouall

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>>56240141
Fastest is immersion but that's not on the table for 99% of people.

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>>56240141
SS + GOMAD

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>>56255208
And read the sticky

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>>56240141
>What's the fastest way to reach basic proficiency?
marry a japanese woman

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>>56255208
in what crazy world do straight shotas and a gallon of milk each day improve your Japanese?

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Forced immersion. Go pick up some basics to start off because immersion is retardedly inefficient without having at least some footing. Cure Dolly's japanese from scratch playlist and her channel as a whole is a very good guide for a foundation, she gets less things wrong than most of the other guides posted here.

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>>56255827
I cant stand the creepy robotic voice

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>>56256071
Yeah that's a common complaint and a very valid one if it ends up too distracting for you.

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Once again /vt/ reveals itself to not be japanese

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>>56253152
this lol, the only important thing to remember is that your going to be wrong and mess up a whole lot, and your not going to have comprehension of most of the material you consume for quite some time either (think about it when you were a child did you fully understand everything you watched? probably not) and that its perfectly ok.

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i feel like the answer to this is always like lol are you an idiot, but is stuff like wanikani really so bad? game-ifying learning japan seems super slick and there's a lot of stuff out there now, like learning from zero or whatever

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>>56256958
Nothing wrong to start out with those, you just have to move on and learn from other sources eventually. You won't learn Japanese with just one app.

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>>56240141
If you're a NEET or otherwise have lot of freetime, watching gameplay streams regularly and actually paying attention what's happening will improve your comprehension. Learning will be most effective if there is a story in the game to follow, because a streamer commenting on story or the objectives will eventually start to connect in your head without effort. But you gotta pay attention. No zoning out

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Where do you find these "basic/commonly used" words?

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>>56245667
>>56243154
>>56245423
Go back to your containment thread.

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>>56248662
based namasensei poster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4_-YldDHJU

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>>56255208
it's true, this is what i look like after following this regimen, all natty

[Anonymous No.]

Anki

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>>56240141
Just do immersion and start sentence mining right away

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>>56259946
heh

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>>56262279
AIIIIEEEEE

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>>56240243
With Japanese being such a contextual language wouldn't someone be able to tell if you learned the language by porn? Like imagine if an ESL girl walked up to you and said "Hey Daddy" thinking it was just a polite greeting.

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>>56242526
>>56242616
I would advise against grinding vocab in the sense of doing flashcards. If there's no context to the word and the act of you learning it, it'll end up having a harder time remembering it at all. Replace it with immersion and you're green.

General tl;dr method from any reputable guide:
- Get Anki, download a kana deck with hiragana and katakana
- Read the Tofugu kana guides for good mnemonics
- Read all of Tae Kim, skip examples because they waste time.
- Get reading, and also get ready to look up grammar points you've seen a gorillion times because it'll take a bit for it to settle in your brain

Append:
- Get ShareX and set up a hotkey for JP OCR, it takes 5 minutes and will save you hours of trying to search for kanji by hand
- Google TL has a phenomenal handwriting recognition system, useful for the odd time ShareX fails
- Watch Japanese-made clips (see: clips subbed in JP from JP channels, not ESL translation clickbaits), and tune into JP streams. Focus listen if you want to get better at listening to JP, don't try to split your focus between listening and other tasks, it'll plateau your progress, especially in the early stages.

Profit ensues. Repeat regularly and ignore DJT in all varieties; the thread is useless for anything other than its resources, and even the well versed people aren't worth sifting through the negativity and NGMI shitflinging for

[Anonymous No.]

read/listen anki shit you don't know
faggots gatekeep jp too much

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>>56270591
Always found Anki to be something that everyone pushes, but it's honest to god one of the most dull, motivation-killing things you can do. If you're not already filtered by a lack of comprehension while reading / listening to JP media, you'll remember shit without Anki

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Side question for thread: We're on /vt/. Any interest for a Vtuber that does language learning content? I haven't seen many around, and I've always thought it would be neat. I can't be the only one, surely?

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>>56240141
Read a lot of vinnies

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>>56271042
this way of thinking is a mistake, if they speak the language you're learning it's "learning content" although beginners won't understand raw language, jp clipping channels have jp subtitles

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>>56271499
You misunderstand, I mean language learning in the sense of how some Vtubers stream art; hypothetical chuuba streams the process of learning, intending to inspire others / help them focus while creating a (hopefully) halfway functional community where people can chat and ask questions / discuss what they're reading

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>>56240141
just 1 little thing no one is mentioning, ignore grammar rules, its a waste of time, a regular japanese never really follow them, just get use to the way they use their own language.

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>>56253089
There's a back up https://djtguide.github.io/index.html