/asp/ Aspiring Vtuber and Startup

[Anonymous No.]

Did you get you Niji app in yet?

What is /asp/?
A thread where we discuss our vtuber aspirations! Whether it's agency-based or independent, let's help each other grow and make it as entertainers. Indies are welcome to join, but shill responsibly. Share what knowledge, insights, what works/doesn't work for you. Remember to do your research before providing personally identifying information to companies online!

FAQ:
Do I need an expensive, fully rigged Live2D model to be a vtuber?
No! You can always start out as a pngtuber!

Where can I learn how to Live2D rig avatars?
Check out Brian Tsui's (of Iron Vertex) YouTube channel!

Where can I find artists/riggers?
Skeb.jp, ArtStation, DeviantArt, Twitter, Reddit, etc.

Where can I learn how to digital market myself?
https://learndigital.withgoogle.com/digitalgarage

Where can I find some good games to stream?
https://twitchtracker.com/games
https://sullygnome.com/

Twitch or Youtube?
Multistream to both.

RESOURCES:
General: https://pastebin.com/AJLkFrGK
OpSec Guide: https://pastebin.com/2mkc8x9P

Stay grounded, stay hopeful. Don't kill yourself yet

Previous thread: >>5543756

[Anonymous No.]

no more pretty girls, draw a dude for once

[Anonymous No.]

how do i resist the urge to look at memes so my brain can get cheap easy rewards when im trying to work hard on reps that take hours of work
>>5607316
im a dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>5607316
Ogey

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>>5607364
do what Snuffy did and turn it into content. like half her streams were just tiktok videos and meme youtube shit that her viewers linked her.
>>5607379
full model when?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5607407
No idea, I just follow him on Twitter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5607379
you look like you're expecting your model to carry you

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>>5607462
Not mine, it is better than his previous one which was just bad.

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>>5607462
what makes you say that?

[Anonymous No.]

Any good way to export from VRoid to Blender? I like the former for general modeling and texturing but I think the later would be better for rigging and finer details

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>>5608176
Fofamit has a pretty good tutorial about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWApNgVrCfo

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>>5607462
the dude had like 3 viewers or less and would constantly complain about it, and even "graduated like twice. he's just selfposting to try and get noticed here because /asp/ies get picked up pretty easily. really hope he redebuts soon so he can just bomb and stop selfposting so hard

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>>5607999
he looks like a bombastic character that'd be sold as DLC in Anarchy Reigns when the reality is that he's sitting at the corner of a screen and wiggling around while playing a videogame. it's not a very comfy design but it makes a really good first impression yet its for the wrong purpose

>>5608352
that makes sense

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>>5608420
the way you describe him makes it sound like it's working as the initial hook. a viewer comes across it, the model looks interesting enough, they click.

it's entirely on him as an entertainer if he's not good enough to hold them, but at least he gets a chance with that click. better than the dozen of vroid hoodie boys that people instinctively ignore.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know how to fix this?
I wanted to test something out so I got it from https://www.live2d.com/en/download/sample-data/
Am I meant to do something with it in cubism before I import it into vtube studio?

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>>5608495
yeah, i think what i meant to say was there's absolutely no way that he can live up to the model as a performer
such a design would be better as some full range 3D setup

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>>5608548
Has he said what his plans are for the model? Looks like the design is either not done or close to be doing done.

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>>5607379
>No eyes
At least give him a Zaku mono-eye that tracks with one of your eyes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5608352
>Graduated twice
Oh you're the /wvt/ schizo. Naoki made a lot of mistakes, but c'mon at least hate him accurately.

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>>5608226
This will definitely help later on, but I'm still stuck at the part where I get from one software to the other because VRoid likes to use it's own special file format that CATS dosn't convert

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>>5608948
>CATS

[Anonymous No.]

@rinotuna on twitter does some amazing character design art based off animals

[Anonymous No.]

>>5608501
so basically, the sample data for live2d weren't made for any facerig like program. They were more made for stuff like visual novels in mind, so they're not set up properly in live2d. if you have it, you can hide the waving arm in live2d, export again and see if that fixes it

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>>5609244
too bad his design for prism project sucked absolute ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>5610847
which?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5610847
>>5610910
nvm, i found her. she's cute and funny with the sweetest fucking voice. don't know what you're talking about, this is cute as fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjj4mRBRDNg

[Anonymous No.]

i remember seeing the vtuber fps threads decided to move to /jp/ because /vt/ is too fast. curious to know how /asp/ fares on this board

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>>5611395
you've come at a weird time period.
/asp/ gen 1 is currently doing their stuff and streaming.
/asp/ gen 2 is currently in process, but most have already learned from gen 1, so there's not much discussion as it would just rehash the same advice these past few months.

[Anonymous No.]

Do you think Nijisanji is ACTUALLY recruiting english males, or is that just a publicity stunt? I applied for their thing earlier (looking for content creators) and they didn't even send me a form letter to acknowledge my application.

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>>5611449
>gen 1 and 2
huh, im actually impresssed

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>>5611560
or you're just a talentless hack

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>>5611605
True, but I thought they'd at least send a "thank you for applying" generic email or something. I feel like they're just trying to drum up interest.

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>>5609309
This worked btw.
Just deleted the extra arm in cubism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5611578
/asp/ is actually a really helpful, comfy, thread. There's also a "secret discord" that's invite only.

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>>5611560
>>5611627
You think it's not real because they don't automatically send a form letter back...?

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>>5611627
have you applied for any job in the past five years?

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>>5611837
not just that, but also it seems like a good way for them to advertise themselves to males. But also no one wants to watch "men", women are the stars.
>>5611901
Yes. About half of them send me something back. Especially if they're asking for professional experience (which I have).

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>>5612037
and the other half don't. it's totally normal to hear nothing, especially if you were eliminated in the first pass

[Anonymous No.]

>>5612073
Well, have you heard of anyone getting the slightest bit of feedback or interest from them as a male? Even just "sorry you're not what you're looking for" ?

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>>5612120
when have you ever seen tons of people speaking candidly about applying/interviewing for these groups?

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>>5612037
Sounds like a shitty stunt since they'll only attract a small minority of guys who didn't watch them, and won't end up watching them after they're resentful over being rejected. You do know the most subscribed person in Nijisanji is a dude right?

[Anonymous No.]

stop taking the bait, please

[Anonymous No.]

>>5612218
Poe's law

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>>5612174
>You do know the most subscribed person in Nijisanji is a dude right?
Yeah good old... what's his hame... the guy that no one outside of Japan watches. Meanwhile hololive girls dominate the market in the entire rest of the world, even non-english speaking countries.

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>>5612262
ogey

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>>5612262
>i don't know who they are, so nobody does

[Anonymous No.]

What's everyone doing for their Niji auditions?

I'm doing some puns in my character intro and reading an excerpt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5614198
I don't have enough experience and don't want to waste their team. Next gen, or maybe the gen after. I will apply.

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>>5614198
just make it cringe and you'll be in

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>>5614198
A short zatsudan framed with in-character setting with game in the back.

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>>5614256
All entertainment is a waste of time. You’re just giving in to fear of judgement.

[Anonymous No.]

Do any of you guys use voice changers when you stream? I'm kind of anxious to use my real voice because I'm a schizo.

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>>5614198
I did a mini debut and then talked through a few scenes of a game. I went for the bird with a voice actor angle, so I showed my accents off a little reading dialogue.

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>>5615369
I filter every voice changer 2view. They always sound like ass and it's especially bad for dudes though. You'll be fine without one unless your voice is even worse naturally.

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>>5614198
I’m gonna sing something, since if I get in I’d like to do covers and karaoke and stuff since i’m an acceptable singer. I’ll probably do a quick character introduction for the character I’m already playing and splice in some MTG footage, since that’s a game I know really well and can talk through just fine. Not sure in what order.

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>>5615369
Your real voice is fine I promise. Voice changers always sound super weird when your voice peaks from emotion and stuff.

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>>5607183
I don't care about this thread, I just want to say that's a big cola.

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>>5614408
Agreed. I’d say the same to that art anon from last thread. From a personal standpoint every audition is good practice for the next audition. From a professional standpoint, I’m sure they’re prepared to watch way worse /auds/ than yours. Unless you’re male. I need the talent pool to be as small as possible so I can squeak in, so stop believing in yourself immediately.

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>>5615369
then don't fucking stream, voicechangers makes me click off everytime

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>>5615369
put on a slightly different accent like kiara does or whatever, just dont use a voice changer. people will notice and it becomes super jarring

[Anonymous No.]

I've been thinking about this for a while. Let's say you don't get in, is it a good idea to keep that character idea you had for the next audition?

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>>5615753
You apply for a job, and they reject you.

Six months later, do you send in the same CV, cover letter, and resume?

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>>5615996
i see your point

[Anonymous No.]

I have a friend who wants to be a vtuber so badly, but they have literally zero experience. Examples: streamed only once, zero history of content creation, can't draw, can't sing, constant dead air/focusing too much on the game, too embarrassed to voice act, and they just don't have that charisma needed to become a vtuber. I feel so bad for them, especially since they told me they just sent in their audition for Niji. I know they won't make it just from them not having any content creation history. I don't know if I should tell them that they don't have the skills required to be considered for Niji. I did let them know that they should start creating some content, but they didn't seem to take it seriously said some people in Niji and Holo didn't have prior experience.

I'm so lost man.

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>>5616327
jokes on them because everyone in hololive has some form of entertainment experience even if its not content creation

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>>5616327
let them learn the hard way then

[Anonymous No.]

How many commands and timers do you guys have set up in your streams? Do you use any as jokes (such as 'hi back, I'm nightbot'), or counters ([streamer] has died [seven] times); or do you not bother at all?

>>5616327
Some people (vTweeters) want to have the following and clout without putting in the work, or they want to use it as an excuse to get close to their oshi. Or they just think they'll make it big without work.

Let your friend crash and burn. Let them see those who make it, and see if that gives them the drive to better themselves.

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>>5616327
Well, that makes me feel better. My main experience is from podcasting and hosting live events/conventions. Not really streaming stuff but at least it's more than your friend's.

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>>5616327
I've got 0 experience and 0 expectations. I've already started using the month+ to see how far I can push myself towards qualifying.

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>>5607183
I want to record a test video for myself to see if I'm entertaining enough. My laptop's shit. Any good lightweight software to record the screen and my voice?

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>>5618404
OBS

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>>5618680
thanks mate

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>>5607183
I’ve put my app in now I need to push my social media as hard as possible so when they click through I’ve grown since submitting. But man,
I’ve been stalled a while and it’s getting me down.

[Anonymous No.]

Time to do stream reps, how is everyone else doing?

[Anonymous No.]

Man, I wish I had Northernlion's voice

[Anonymous No.]

Will you be letting /asp/ know if you make it to round 2?

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>>5623659
Do not do that, if you get in don't try to let your epic 4chan bros know you got in in any way.

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>>5623659
no, if I make it to the 1st interview I'm telling no one
2nd interview I'm scouring all my social media quietly
getting in I'm never coming back here to drop all the 4chan net slang from my vocab

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625461
That's all just smart business sense, really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5625461
Absolutely. No one can ever know.

[Anonymous No.]

I want mashu to make me an oc

[Anonymous No.]

Tried recording myself. Fuck, my diction's so shit. And I kinda swallow some of the words. Some of this shit is completely incomprehensible, and it's hard to play and come up with things to say. I don't talk much, and I'm an ESL, too. Gotta do my reps.

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>>5628360
I'm a bit worried about this too. I've years of speaking in a professional setting with clients and co-workers in meetings so I'm not worried about how I can get a message across when I want, but I plan on leaning into my more informal speech style as a vtuber. I'm gonna try to grab a friend this weekend to watch a test stream to ensure it doesn't tank how people understand me.

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>>5628360
you could practice streaming with an alt (with vods not getting archived)

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>>5628537
why an alt or with VODs off? no one cares about a low viewer person, just stream no one is recording your every move to use it against you
besides you should 100% be watching your own vods

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone have any recommendations for getting rid of like. mouth sounds in stream labs? What filter will do it? I’ve got a headset mic so I’m a bit limited on getting it far from my face.

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>>5629453
what kind of mouth sounds?
plosives - get a pop filter
grumbling - set a noise gate
wet smacking noises - sip some water with a #hydrationcheck

[Anonymous No.]

>>5629453
if you have too many mouth sounds it could just be a pronunciation problem that you need to work on. similar to lisps, some people just pick up bad habits of moving their mouths in a way that causes a ton of mouth sounds

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>>5629453
>in stream labs
what are you talking about? stream labs the payment processor or the branch of OBS with worse performance developed by that payment processor?

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>>5629205
could save the stream and not have the vods up. I suggested streaming mostly if they happen to get some viewers to "practice"

[Anonymous No.]

>imagine being an EoP
>imaging being enunciationlet

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>>5629966
I can't help being southern

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>>5614198
Introduce myself to the class as their new professor, and go over what we'll be covering this semester (reading streams, barbershop quartets) and then do short previews of both of those things. Trying to get a script down under 5 minutes and to familiarize myself with using OBS to duplicate myself.

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>>5629987
If I managed to learn your ugly language and can speak it with no accent, then you sure as shit can go and learn proper pronunciation and inflection, Billy Bob.

[Anonymous No.]

ACCENTS ARE A BUFF, jesus christ, this is why holorot is so bad for your fucking brains. stop trying to talk "properly" or with as little accent as possible. use it, lean into it, take advantage of it.

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>>5630331
Cope

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>>5630331
Being able to switch between languages on the fly is a much more impressive feat.
You're just saying this because you've never spoken with an accent in your entire life and think that being unable to clearly express yourself is some kind of endearing trait, retard.

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>>5630412
code switching is fine, but that requires conversational fluency, which not everyone has. Pikamee can code switch but she still has a VERY noticeable accent when speaking english.

code switching and accents are different things. you can spin both to your advantage. seethe


>>5630396
you too, seethe harder

[Anonymous No.]

accents can make you interesting with zero work from you, trying to speak without it makes you sound retarded with a sock in your mouth. just dont be from a debuff country or area that simple

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>>5630824
>trying to speak without it makes you sound retarded with a sock in your mouth
>t. EOP

[Anonymous No.]

looks like the tourists are back

[Anonymous No.]

>>5629557
>>5629490

Thanks lads!! I think it’s a combo of hyper sensitive mic and just a habit.
I’ll try and work on it!

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>>5631119
It's less of a tourist issue and more of a "you" problem.
That being your weirdly adamant belief that accents are somehow a buff just because you've seen vtubers speaking engrish, and the fact that you use some weird-ass metaphor for speaking without an accent, which has nothing to do with reality.
You don't have to RP as someone with a degree in linguistics here, anonchama.

[Anonymous No.]

please stop taking the bait

[Anonymous No.]

I feel slightly vindicated, they're all small build girlish looking girls so I think probably my voice and personality was just not something that fit the models they pre-made or ideas they wanted///cope that they didn't find me interesting.

https://twitter.com/cyberlivecorp/status/1408471298649464833

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>>5631386
That's a lot of UUOOOH

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>>5631595
uuoohhh makes the easy money. especially now that Gura's off making her thousands per stream, you've got a bunch of rich pedo males who want to groom their own smaller corpo vtuber idols

[Anonymous No.]

>>5631595
>uoooh
This ain't no UOOOH, those are some misshapen monsters. Look at the rightmost bitch, she has a fucking sticc for her neck

[Anonymous No.]

>>5630824
Not really. Sound is one of those things that can very easily irk people without them even realizing why. This is true of sound quality (microphone quality, etc) but also accent. It decreases your clarity one way or another.

Yes, it can be an endearing feature, but it can also very easily drive the public away.

t. non-english speaker.

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>>5631713
...but that's not a problem? at all?
look at Kiara. the voice she puts on filters out a lot of people. but there's also plenty of people who are fine with the voice and still watch her anyway.

if people are filtered out by your voice, fuck them. you don't need to strain yourself to try and change your accent just because a handful of random viewers don't like your accent. just own your accent and people who like it will tune it.

[Anonymous No.]

So, I want to hear opinions:

Should I just say fuck it and start streaming, or should I engineer a good debut stream to create maximum hype?

(Or should I just start streaming, not archive VODs or Clips, then delete them all and pretend I'm debuting when I have everything in place for a great debut?)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5631838
just start, no one cares, and you won't even have a viewer that sticks around for the whole time for your first 10 streams anyway. fuck off with debuts

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>>5631838
Fuck it and start streaming, there's no reason to even scrub your old content even. If you have no following, no one will care when you debute and twitch will eat the vods in a week. If you get people who like you, you'll alienate them by pretending you didn't exist before. As long as you have a name and concept (not even art) just start streaming.

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>>5631838
the best way to go about it is to just start streaming on a schedule, build a community, use that to generate hype and then "officially debut" as a big celebration event.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5631673
I guess me saying I wanted to do creative things and grow a community wasn't cunny enough for them.

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>>5632084
gotta work on your uwu loli voice

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>>5631775
It's pointless to argue with people like you who don't understand how accents really work and how it feels to speak with them.
Nobody mentioned "putting on a voice" like Kiara does, only accents. And changing your pitch has nothing to do with having difficulties pronouncing words or sounds. Changing your pitch has no effect on clarity, retardchama.
And stop pretending to be like know-it-all expert on marketing oneself, it's embarrassing.
Also a non-native here btw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5632114
Nah I've been going indie since then and people appreciate the art and weird programming things I've been doing. I just couldn't gauge if cyberlive wanted an idol group back when they started, which looks like they probably do.

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>>5632137
seethe harder, accents have always been a buff. you're just coming up with excuses to convince yourself why you won't make it.

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>>5631674
Do not look at any L2D neck proportions I'm begging you

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>>5632240
Next time bring a better bait.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I talk faster as an ESL? It's hard to pronounce the "r" sounds.

[Anonymous No.]

is this the same marketing expert who is a genius at social media marketing and knows exactly what orgs are looking for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5632805
Jusagi?

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>>5631673
Gura isn't holo's cash cow tho. She attracts poor people.

[Anonymous No.]

will you take the bait, /asp/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5611560
the agencies get tens of thousands of useless applications. so it's normal for them to only reply to those who manage to catch their interest. don't worry about it!

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>>5611560
yes they are actively looking but we're going to hear nothing because
>1 - this thread is full of shitposters who don't stream
>2 - anyone who actually gets a call back will not post about it ITT
so until about November when they announce the wave it will look like they're not actually recruiting guys, then they'll debut some guys to about 500-2,000 average viewers, shitposters will say they bombed because they expect nijis to do hololive numbers, and then everything will settle back down

[Anonymous No.]

>>5631838
Engineer. Do it for her.

If you think you can handle shilling and some light pre-debut non streaming content, absolutely go for it. Too many Deadbeats are anti-debut but there's plenty of instances of it helping out people who actually do it well. You just need to network, get one of those shitty but cheap motion graphics trailers, and be active enough interacting with other chuubas. Helps to have a good quality model too.

[Anonymous No.]

all that boils down to "have money" and "buy influence"
if you're a crypto millionaire, go for it. but for everyone else, don't bother

[Anonymous No.]

>>5633640
You don't need to be a millionaire, just have a decent quality model and network. A lot of Cimrai's "influence" came from networking and collaborating with other Vtubers before they even debut. Put out some Twitter content the same as she did and you'll do fine with a debut. She had people who were already established DMing HER wanting to network. Not saying everyone can do it but if you're confident enough to be shameless in your self-promo and still be entertaining while doing it then a debut can help out a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5633754
>Put out some Twitter content the same as she did and you'll do fine with a debut.
this is really disingenuous. there's a reason why her name is one of the very few that people keep repeating. she's the exception to the rule. if you're already well connected with big names and decide to jump onto the vtubing bandwagon with money, sure, it's the perfect storm that makes it work. most anons here aren't well connected with even minor e-celebs, nor do they have a bunch of money to burn.

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>>5633807
She's not the only exception, she's just the most extreme end of it. Afaik she wasn't connected to anyone before becoming a vtuber, except maybe that bird by the same modeler but they could've hooked up just based on that alone since a lot of people do that.

I'm not saying everyone is able to do this, but there's enough cases over the last 2 years I've seen that show if people put the work in they can debut to a decent number and still keep a good percentage of it. I'll admit it's not doable for everyone but it's happened enough that I doubt it's pure luck they caught the attention of larger creators.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5633902
>Afaik she wasn't connected to anyone before becoming a vtuber,
she was highly integrated with VShojo and Takahata. how do you think she got interviewed by Takahata within a month of debut?

[Anonymous No.]

how do I make a dox-free paypal?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5633923
>she was highly integrated with VShojo and Takahata. how do you think she got interviewed by Takahata within a month of debut?

She was integrated because from the very beginning she was getting big, larger more poractive creators will approach people they see with potential in order to mix audiences and help build a better network together. Senz had an interview after debut same as Cimrai did, it's because these content creators speak outside of just Twitter in DMs and in discords. Not using Senz as an example of a guy who was brand new, just to point out that he didn't have any "connection" to these people. Large content creators just recognize talent or potential.

That being said, I'm not insinuating you'll be some massive success that all the big people want to talk to, I'm saying that a Debut, properly networked, can be just as beneficial if not more than just staggering out content as apng and hoping like 30 people come to your debut

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>>5634232
>Large content creators just recognize talent or potential.
now this is just cope.
yeah, spend lots of cash and hope for the chance that a large content creator is able to recognize your potential. that sounds like a reliable plan. totally. fuck off, tourist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5634326


>That being said, I'm not insinuating you'll be some massive success that all the big people want to talk to

Not even a tourist.

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>>5634326
and if you don't think big creators interact behind scenes with new people who they either want to boost or symbiotically coordinate content and collabs with, you really don't know anything. You think Takahata picked Krimbo and other small creators for no reason?

[Anonymous No.]

so it goes back to >>5633640

[Anonymous No.]

alternatively, I think anon is trying to bait people into trying to join their discord server that will totally boost the upcoming people, definitely. It definitely isn't a place where people bitch about 4chan posts and people they don't like all day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5634610
If that's your takeaway then think what you want

[Anonymous No.]

>>5634669
What discord?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5634669
No? I'm not some discord bogeyman but no one here is going to run anything close to what the larger vtubers have. I'm trying to point out that there's more happening behind the scenes than you think. These people aren't going from Twitter mutual to friends with zero inbetween.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5607183
I hate being a mute vtuber but with the rise of reports from viewers.
Having a microphone is a Monkey Paw. It will increase viewership and interaction with chat.... But one fucking slip up and there goes my career.

[Anonymous No.]

>be rich
>spend money on expensive model and rig
>spam yourself to vtweeters
>a big name sees someone who is wealthy
>gotta 'network' with this rich person
>starts collabing off stream
>coast off the popularity after having bought your influence off bigger names

[Anonymous No.]

some of you are worse than /biz/ at understanding and analyzing success and it shows

[Anonymous No.]

>>5634771


>>5634774
>Be rich
No, just need something decent and not some homemade trash. Alternatively being interesting enough or having some good twitter content helps.

>spam yourself to vetweeters
You mean network? Yeah, it helps a lot to network and interact with the community.

the rest of y our post is nonsense, not worth responding to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5634774
Always seem to be the case isn't it? Just leech off big people it seems like.

Man fuck Twitch sometimes. Grinding for the $ is so unfulfilling because doing it this way as >>5634774
puts it makes it such a bitch to even get validated by Twitch viewers much even have them feel "This guy is great. I want to see him grow!" Which 9 times out of 10 it is just horny males fapping to Amouranth/indiefoxxx titties and ass doing lame ass ASMR shit.

Fuck all that noise.

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>>5634771
Meant to respond to this too. What is "one fucking slip up"? Spouting some /pol/ shit about niggers and faggots ruining everything? Are you really mute because you have no self control?

[Anonymous No.]

>the success understander has logged on
very cool man, if you're so good at being successful why do you come to the newbie vtuber thread every single day to argue with new streamers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5634854
how would you analyze success?
t. i guess gen 2 chuuba waiting for his model

[Anonymous No.]

>>5634131
You have to setup a business account.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5634910
Nothing of saying pol, N, or F**, just that during high stressful times I can say fuck one too many times and go on a depression rant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5634906
>just leech off of big people

Believe it or not, not everyone interacting with large people are leeches. I've received help with content ideas and raids from some larger people I became friends with and I was (and honestly am) a literal nobody. I just interacted. "VTweeting" can help get your name out there and people like seeing the same names around.

The "horny dude" market was never interested in you anyway, so it's not really worth stressing over since it's unrelated to you anyway. Those viewers wouldn't watch you

[Anonymous No.]

>just be lucky enough to have a successful streamer adopt and groom you and your content
yeah thanks anon, real fucking top notch analysis of the vtuber market

[Anonymous No.]

>>5635126
I've repeatedly said not to count on that, but people still recognize talent and want to see smaller people grow, and even if that's not something you get, you can still gain a lot from pre-debut

[Anonymous No.]

let's keep talking about the one in a million rare exceptions as if they are a model to replicate, instead of reliable and consistent advice that content creators who've actually put in years of work provide from their own experience.

[Anonymous No.]

Thoughts on the 3d model?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5635247
where's your mouth?

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>>5635247
agree with the other anon, you need more human features like eyebrows, mouth, nose, etc
you need to be able to accurately protray emotions and facial expressions for viewers to be able to connect, learn from Hazard Hornet's mistakes

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>>5635247
how are your viewers gonna make clippable moments of your face like Fubuki's "ya be" if you don't have eyebrows or a mouth?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5635258
Doesn't have one. It is not a human. Alien Knight full of Plasma Energy. Psionic pulses and thoughts is how their kind communicate. He can emote with the helmets eyeslots sometimes the helmet itself will blush showing his embarrasment.

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>>5635247
One of the worst things Artgun's produced, I really hope you didn't pay the prices they're charging now for that. Gonna be real with you, I've seen your tweets before and you're just really...depressing. Like I don't want to tell you you're wasting your time if you're having fun, but maybe you should consider something else? Having your chat in follower only mode as long as you did only hurt you even more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5635359
with all respect, it's not the best idea to have a design with no recognizable face, part of the appeal of a lot of these popular vtubers is that they have a face that triggers the brain chemicals in viewers to assign a personality to it and see it as a person in their head

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>>5635247
You need a mouth and something to emulate eyebrows. Do your eyes move? I looked up your twitter and I see some 2d art that has them in different shapes. If they don't you're going to be debuffing yourself extra hard.

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>>5635359
Without the helmet the head is completely featureless. Just focused plasma spilling out. The only way the eyes are seen is via the helmet itself.
Aside from the armor and their cores there is no Human attributes as the form itself is pure energy

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>>5635359
you're better off as a youtube cartooon character making skits back in 2010. not a streamer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5635422
This is a poor idea. You might as well he streaming without a camera or avatar.

[Anonymous No.]

it's not a terrible character but keep some of this feedback in mind, we've seen multiple other vtubers with models that don't have faces try and get very frustrated and depressed because they feel like their growth is stagnating

[Anonymous No.]

mute, follower only mode chat, constant depressing tweets and complaining about lack of followers or other big vtubers "having it easy". youve been at it for months and refuse to open your mic. some people just arent meant for content creation especially not streaming if you're too scared to even talk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5635404
>What is /asp/?
>A thread where we discuss our vtuber aspirations! Whether it's agency-based or independent, let's help each other grow and make it as entertainers. Indies are welcome to join, but shill responsibly. Share what knowledge, insights, what works/doesn't work for you. Remember to do your research before providing personally identifying information to companies online!

So much for helpful advice haha.

Yes the eyes move I don't have good enough tracking invested. I was one of ArtGuns first projects so obviously I am not the refined model.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5635247
>>5635359
>>5635422
>PLASMA
>PURE ENERGY
>PSIONIC PULSES
you mean shit that no viewer will give a crap about because all you're gonna be doing is a low engagement mediocre Dark Souls runs? jesus christ this is why /asp/ has and always will tell people to fuck off with kayfabe. no one gives a fuck about this shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Reactions are a large part of why people watch streams, and if they can't even get that out of you much less a voice, why do you think they should watch? Have you ever asked yourself that?

[Anonymous No.]

did my first stream on twitch and I had so much fun, this was my first time with chat members from outside my frieds circle

[Anonymous No.]

>>5635539
>. I was one of ArtGuns first projects so obviously I am not the refined model.
>blaming the modeler
dude fuck off. you're the one that picked the shit design in the first place. this is why anons tell /asp/ies you need to design yourself AS A STREAMER, not as a cartoon character

[Anonymous No.]

>>5635539
How was none of this helpful? You got the brutally honest truth. You don't have a good model or character design. Fix it, or keep it. You're mute which is absolutely hurting you. Fix it or keep it. You're super depressing on social media and I'm gonna go ahead and guess your (follower only?) chat. Keep it or fix it. In what way was any of this unhelpful?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5635539
We are giving you advice, and providing insights from previous vtubers. If you like you're design by all means own it, I'm glad you like, but based on past data it is a debuff.

[Anonymous No.]

i just want to say that i appreciate how much bickering there was between how to "analyze success" and then the instant collective shitting on a vtuber with a crap design.

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>>5635525
this is why self-deprecating humor is not the best
I can tell he was trying to be a sarcastic self deprecating guy but it honestly comes off as more genuine and whiney than you think.
crank the tone back on some of these tweets and think about what the actual punchlines to some of these jokes are

[Anonymous No.]

>>5635564
It's always awesome having your first non-friend viewers, keep it up!

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>>5635664
because it's the same anon with the same pic every time.
it doesn't' scream "I know marketing and success" if you hang out in 4chan shouting it from the rooftops
it screams "I have an opinion and am so insufferable no on else will hear it but 4chan"

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>>5635670
>this is why self-deprecating humor is not the best
is that even humor? all of that came across as genuine bitching to me, fits in exactly with the same type of bitching dozens of vtweeters repeated when pic related dropped

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>>5635539
Fuck off you asked for thoughts and got them. Go whine on Twitter if you don't want feedback when you ask for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5635670
I'm not diggign them up, but I've seen him on my timeline more than I'd like to (which is why he's muted now), he's constantly tweeting depressing shit like this and complaining about bigger vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5635728
that's my point, it was meant as self deprecating humor clearly, but he is not good with comedy and it came off as bitching

[Anonymous No.]

>>5635664
Hell yeah, keep that up and you'll make it eventually!

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>>5635247
It's along the lines of what I was designing for mine (Reduced facial features, more of a mythical approach)
Considering you've got a sort of a fire motif, maybe for your talking animation, have it glow when you're making noise?
A lot of your emotion is going to come from your eyes and posture in this case.

[Anonymous No.]

>either self deleted or jannies felt bad.
Kek

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>>5635773
That's actually a good idea. Just as long as there is a mouth shape it works. Doesn't have to be a physical mouth.

[Anonymous No.]

he's deleting tweets now

[Anonymous No.]

if that guy's still here, you got genuine unfiltered, harsh criticism and feedback
get upset if you want but until you learn to deal with it and power through, improving what people point out, you will not be able to stand as a content creator

[Anonymous No.]

>>5635830
honestly for the best. chuubas need to stop revealing to the world how much of a bitch they are.
>"oh no, i lost a follower! fuck you, good riddance!"
that kind of shit is an instant turn off and no viewer wants to watch a whiny bitch who airs their grievances to twitter on the daily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5635884
it takes thick skin and determination to do any type of creative work
there's 20,000 anti tweets a day leveled at nyanners or mori or kiara
the 1 time that they crack and whine or get upset and /vt/ latches onto it is after they dealt with it the rest of the day, most other people would just break down constantly under that load
more newbie vtubers and artists need to take a lesson from them about how they can deal with so much criticism daily and just power through

[Anonymous No.]

jesus...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5635693
thank you anon, just noticed a big scuff on the stream cuz i forgot to turn off one of obs filters but it was a funny scuff

[Anonymous No.]

this business account stuff is draining, i'd rather just have the donos get sifted through twitch and let them take a cut
maybe i should just get a legal name change

[Anonymous No.]

>>5636109
which step of the process is messing with you? i stumbled my way through making a business account a couple of weeks ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>5636147
just the amount of research and checks im making to make sure i dont accidentally do anything dodgy, but i'm pretty sure i've managed to stumble through now, just need approval

[Anonymous No.]

Not sure if it's suitable thread, but here's a small indie for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU5fydbVPK8

[Anonymous No.]

>>5636340
Too fake. Pass

[Anonymous No.]

>>5636340
Пcинa, ты cпepвa хoтя бы для oднoй ayдитopии pacкpyтиcь, a пoтoм yжe дpyгyю oхвaтывaй

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>>5636093
Just a small tip that's always helped me, record a quick 30 second clip (maybe practice a talking point real quick?) just as an audio check. Months after thinking I've got everything set up, I still do it before every stream just to be safe, saved myself from some scuff a few times.

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>>5636109
In my experience, which may differ from others, I almost exclusively get Bits and Subs as donos. Out of about 6k (USD), less than a grand have been via cash donos.

[Anonymous No.]

At what point (number of chatters/viewers) is it a good idea to try and do a purely chatting/chat interaction stream, I'd much prefer doing engaging things like that over playing a game.

[Anonymous No.]

Do the people in here applying for Nijisanji actually watch Nijisanji?
Just curious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5636458
Yes I watch Ars Almal, Hana Macchia, and the EN girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>5636458
Yes, but not the EN girls, I wonder if I should to try and up my knowledge on them, but timezones...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5636458
Sister Claire is just. Perfect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5636458
I watch Ars "BIG FACE" Almal to fall asleep due to how autistic she is, Ange Katrina because I want to fuck her voice, Nui Sociere for hamming up every emotion while playing RPGs and Belmond Banderas because I want to fuck his voice

[Anonymous No.]

Message to upcoming streamers: Don't care what viewers come in expecting of you. Just do your own thing at your own pace. Ignore the viewer count. Focus on what you are playing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5636451
10 to 35 chatters. Anything above and its a shit show of spam and incomprehensible babble.

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>>5636694
this is why OBS and the twitch creator page have features to hide viewer, follower, etc counts until you end the stream
you shouldn't be focused on the counts till you finish and are ready to analyze the stream, not during

[Anonymous No.]

Also don't be affiliated to any platform. It kills growth and community.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5631838
Why not both? Do practice streams until you feel you’re ready and then do a debut stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5636405
It was actually a visual scuff not audio, I forgot to turn off chroma key and it messed up with the game video
Was funny when I realized, but i only saw it after the stream ended

[Anonymous No.]

>>5636727
Fug, well I'm almost halfway there I suppose

>>5636775
I've learned sometimes people don't care about visual scuffs in comparison to audio ones. I accidentally switched to a scene that didn't have my model/chat displaying on screen. But it didn't seem to deter anyone, so it was kind of reassuring to know people were there for my and not my visuals

[Anonymous No.]

Would it be yab to apply to multiple of the female characters in the Niji auditions?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5636451
Chatting and chat interaction is best at about 15, I'd say 20 to be safe but 15 is doable if you have active chatter. I wouldn't say it's impossible at higher numbers, it just takes time to learn how to read a fast chat and filter good into. You see bigger streamers do it all the time when they're able to pick out messages in a sea of thousands of them. You just get better as you go.

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>>5635525
I had someone in my chat do this shit to me, and talk about how good my numbers are compared to his when I only had like 5 viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5637052
Just like how we shit talk a streamer's model into deleting their tweet. Grow a fucking thick skin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5636877
i don't know why it'd be yab, but if your qualifications aren't good enough for one of the characters, i don't know why they'd change their minds when you apply for a different character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5636877
you can submit as many apps as you want, the one vampire girl in niji submitted multiple character applications
the only one I would be sketch on is the male since it's just a general purpose application

[Anonymous No.]

Any aspiring vtubers in this thread will never make it big. Esp if they are Western Vtubers.

You are a failure. You will never be financially stable. You exist in life only to serve your CEOs for their riches. Get fucked

[Anonymous No.]

okay

[Anonymous No.]

>>5637373
B-but I'm already rich anon... I just do it for fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5637373
open you're mouth darling, I'm going too cum

[Anonymous No.]

ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>5637085
Exactly, streaming is so oversaturated and it takes a long time to get anywhere with it, they need to get over small stuff like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>5637167
I mean more if they would think I would fit a different character better if my other qualifications were good enough.

>>5637229
Thanks for the heads up anon!

[Anonymous No.]

Did that one anon who said they'd email Niji about the applications ever hear anything back from them? I forgot what it was they were going to ask about

[Anonymous No.]

>>5637373
I don't want to make it big.
I just want to make friends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5638240
Friends will inevitably backstab you for success. Remember that.

[Anonymous No.]

anyone use Nvidia Canvas to make thumbnails yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5636458
I’m an EOP so I’ve only ever watched Hana and the Greatest Hits of some others, like Mito.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5638329
Alright Zylph, calm down

[Anonymous No.]

>>5638450
Any publicity is good publicity keep talking about him and people just go to him regardless of the shittalking we did about his model and his attitude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5638750
people talk about Corpse a bunch over in /wvt/ and that doesn't buff her numbers at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5638801
Still mentioning them gives them airtime regardless. Not being spoke about at all is what kills them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5638750
it would be true if the person in question wasn't a self-saboteur. Being Mute, emotionless, and having your chat in follower only mode is extreme levels of debuff not even talking about can change

[Anonymous No.]

>>5639001
Well the internet is harsh, unfriendly, and most of all kill-happy.
So obviously its for the best

[Anonymous No.]

>>5639001
>a non-following viewer saying shit of a streamer bitching about the Follower only mode not wanting to be exposed.
Yea ok

[Anonymous No.]

why the fuck you even a streamer at that point then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5607183
This thread is so hypocritical

[Anonymous No.]

>>5639364
how so?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5636031
my man deleted almost 3k tweets. it was 5.5k when i checked him out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5639639
that's a lot

[Anonymous No.]

>>5639364
Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another or the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. In moral psychology, it is the failure to follow one's own expressed moral rules and principles.

[Anonymous No.]

hope this guy actually paid the full $4k for a shitty model with no face just to fulfil his larp fantasies with zero idea on what it takes to be a streamer

[Anonymous No.]

Some VTubers don’t realize viewers want to watch a character and not their real self. Spouting all this menhera shit puts off any potential viewers

[Anonymous No.]

it's back to 5k! and his media posts are also back too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5639990
What ever happened to "be yourself"

[Anonymous No.]

>>5640153
It never applied here.

[Anonymous No.]

No wonder this thread is a cesspool of cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>5640153
That doesn't apply to dancing monkeys

[Anonymous No.]

>>5640311
What cope? There's either people who ask for advice and can't take it, or people who haven't even begun in full. Calm down tourist-kun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5640153
You don’t want to be your true menhera self if you want to grow as a VTuber. I’ll use myself as an example; I’ve been diagnosed with depression for over a decade, but I still have parts of my personality that I can amp up to be entertaining. People that don’t know me personally would never be able to guess that I’m a suicidal introvert from how extroverted and happy I act on stream. I’m still me, but only a portion of myself gets put on display. No one wants to watch or listen to some guy talk about how depressing their life is after all. This is what people mean when they say to be yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

you can only be menhara after getting 200 avg viewers

[Anonymous No.]

can i stream emulated games on twitch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5640887
yeah as long as you dont make it insanely obvious
one of their top streamers made a website dedicated to emulating romhacks with some online integration that wouldn't be possible on original hardware but they never outright say it I think, you'll be fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>5640887
yes, twitch can't tell and doesn't give a shit unless the publisher complains
which anyone under 50 viewers might as well be invisible to them

[Anonymous No.]

>>5640311
you have to try harder than that Zylphe. you got what you asked for. no sugar coating. you're the one who chose to pick such a shit design and base it off your personal fantasy without any regard to what the experience is like for a viewer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5640153
"Be yourself" in that you keep the same interests and don't lie about the things you like and dislike. Play things or do things that interest you because you'll be more passionate. But you still have to have a public face. You try not to rip ass in public/work places or people are uncomfortable, so it goes don't do the menhera equivalent of rip ass on twitter because it makes people uncomfortable. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it's on topic, but if you keep doing it over and over again you show you're not socially capable or just a mental drain to be around. Stay true to your *best* self, an enhanced self that's still you but just more entertaining and with a side helping of "I appear to be mostly mentally sane".

[Anonymous No.]

Give me some streamers to report on Twitch so we can cancel them guys.
These fuckers need to be out in the streets. The more streamers you list the better my reports on them and making Twitch/Youtube a better place will be complete.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5641756
Uhhhhhh what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5641756
are you okay schizo
if you dont like a streamer you can just, not watch them?? there's hundreds of others outside of vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

>>5607183
is there any agency auditions going on for now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5641914
Nijisanji EN, both Male and Female

[Anonymous No.]

>>5641975
is there any more, other than that? thanks btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>5641756
I know you're schizo, but anyone interested in getting rid of the competition can honestly just report people who break the attire rules. Underboob and showing off any skin whatsoever beneath the waist but above the thighs, even if it's just the sides. Cimrai and any of those girls in one-piece bathing suit style shit can get hit by Twitch at any moment and have to entirely redo their model.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5642082
Cyberlive is looking for females I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5641756
Here's your (You)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5642196
There's been no official announcement of them recruiting again, their first gen is debuting soon. Also their site is down and not listed on their twitter anymore for whatever reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>Zylphe having a malehera breakdown here and linking other vtubers modeled by TheArtGun
bro you should go outside or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>5607379
I cant wait for the rule34 of this guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>5642385
The cyberlive thing is just a rumor. After they debut gen1 everyone thinks they're following Nijisanji EN's cadence. (eg; about 2 months after their first gen debut to start scouting gens 2 and 3)

[Anonymous No.]

>>5641756
>can afford to commission a design from the artist who did snuffy, ironmouse, and veibae's avatars
>get one with no expressions whatsoever and no mouth
>sit in silence on stream the entire time
what the fuck?
did not know about this guy before but I can't look away now

[Anonymous No.]

>>5642610
nothing must be more embarrassing than wasting hundreds - thousands of dollars on an avatar when you suck at streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

Zylphe, since you're still here spazzing out, just keep in mind that cancel culture isn't real. Only the weak get "canceled". You're one of them weak ones.

[Anonymous No.]

dude, just leave. stop coming here, it's not good for you. you've already gotten the feedback you need.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5642821
holy shit what drives this? most people would just leave and mute the thread and come back in like a week

[Anonymous No.]

>>5642859
It's just a personality type, anon. Some people's brains are just wired differently when it comes to handling insults, criticism, and banter.

[Anonymous No.]

It's nice knowing that a schizo could be behind any one of the posts here. Really puts into perspective just how useless /asp/ is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5643233
I mean. I learned not to drop thousands into a 3D model for an avatar with no face and then stream shit games on mute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5643278
should have already learned that lesson from hazard hornet desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>5643300
It's just nice seeing the advice prove itself useful once again and watch a malehera breakdown in real time.

[Anonymous No.]

Give me the rundown on Zylphe
t. clueless newfag who's never watched him before

[Anonymous No.]

>>5643369
He selfposted his model and asked for feedback. The model had a face but with no mouth or eyebrows, so anons asked him how he's gonna do the whole expressing emotions thing to viewers. He then proceeds to explain that he's mute and doesn't talk at all during the streams. To which anons tell him that's a very bad idea for obvious reasons.

Then he breaks down, starts deleting a bunch of his tweets, posts a pic of other chuubas modeled by TheArtGun (his designer) and tries to 'cancel' them, and now he's set his Twitter to protected and trying to shitpost about how bad /asp/ is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5643441
he also got shit on pretty hard and has a bunch of depressing tweets complaining about bigger vtubers, his lack of viewers/follows, cancel culture, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5643517
Oh shit, right, that's important. It's how anons go started checking out his tweets.

Just a bunch of "woe is me" and "I lost 1 follower, fuck you and good riddance if you don't like my content!" type of shit. And if I remember correctly, he even had a post from a month back saying he didn't want to debut unless he got 1k followers, as if he deserved it for making shitty content. And other crap like that.

[Anonymous No.]

dude has 1.1k followers on twitch, that seems decent, why's he being such a bitch about this whole thing?

some of the shit on his panels is fucking weird. he's got a PO box open for "gifts" and asks for shit like a GPU and microphones, kek.

his About
>Zylphe Renuis (Sill Fey Re-new-is): Full-time Freelance Life-force that streams various video games to the universe and beyond. Daytime: 4: 30 PM EST to 8:45 PM EST and Nighttime 11 PM EST to 8 AM EST at the latest. Mic is disabled until Massive support from viewers is gained.
>Mic is disabled until Massive support from viewers is gained.
dude thinks really high of himself, i guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5643834
1.1k followers but 1.6 average viewers

[Anonymous No.]

>>5643834
sounds like super autism

[Anonymous No.]

>>5643893
>1.1k followers but 1.6 average viewers
What?
How does that work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5643834
this is literally what people mean by saying that money and networking won't improve your streaming
you can get follows from having a well known artist or rigger, or a decent design and some networking, but it won't save your streaming skills

[Anonymous No.]

>>5643914
i'm guessing earlier on, he'd get a bunch of raids because his model is cool and people pity followed him, but don't actually tune in to watch his stuff? iono how else you'd get numbers like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5643893
This is honestly something I'm scared of, having my follower count grow while my actual viewership stagnating. Would it affect new viewers' opinions when they see, just for example, someone with 500 followers and only 5 viewers, vs someone with 50 followers and 5 viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5643914
>>5643962
Follower and viewership disparities are nothing new, but I've never seen something that extreme. How old is his channel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5643996
no one pays attention to that shit
what gets a viewer to stay is your content
stream, stream , stream, stream
work on your content and improve your skills, always watch your VODs and find something to improve on with your interactions or speaking skills

[Anonymous No.]

>>5643914
It's way more common than you think.
>3000 Twitter followers
>300 during debut
>10 average
> 0 motivation to go keep going after 3 months because you peaked day 1

[Anonymous No.]

>>5643996
this is a difference in networking vs streaming skills, you need to work on both
you can network all you want but if you don't have the streaming skills to back it up you will be streaming to 5 people as a 5k follow chuuba

[Anonymous No.]

Bros, I got my model's render (not layered yet) and it's so good. I can't contain myself.

[Anonymous No.]

Seeing all this stuff about vtweeters and people expecting X followers before doing stuff is really bizarre because for myself I plan on streaming even before I get my art finished (almost done getting my stream stuff together), then PNG tube for a while as I won't have it rigged. Probably won't network at all for the first bit. I want to get my ducks in a row and learn to make content I'm happy with before trying to 'get big'. I'd honestly rather have streams I enjoy and can be proud of rather than have twitter followers and people raiding me. Even if its for like 5 viewers. Then once I have that all together I can start working on growth knowing I actually have a product worth selling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5607183
if I leave a bag of chips like that then bugs will crawl right in it. I have to watch bag of chips carefully or roll them up to prevent it

[Anonymous No.]

>>5644413
terumi....

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>>5644430
That's not Terumi. Terumi would have eaten the chips, ants and all.

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I find it kinda odd the obsession with wanting to be a vtuber anyways.
In terms of streaming, even the top vtubers are typically chumps compared to normal twitch streamers. Only the very best of the best are even somewhat comparable to them in terms of revenue, but even then they get shit on in terms of views. Even pekora is nothing compared to the top twitch streamers.

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>>5644362
This is what I'm doing. I've got two PNGs, so I can do an open/close mouth animation. I've made my own backgrounds, panels, and that. None of it's amazing quality, but it's all to a theme, at least.

I've now done three streams, at 3, 3.5, and 5.5 hours. Only for one or two viewers (peaked at four), but it means I'm getting the hang of things now, and learning as I go.

My first stream was pretty bad. I didn't have transitions set up at all, so fumbled when trying, and had to mess with the sound settings during stream. I also had issues with source layering.

But that's all sorted, and I'm not adding more widgets for active tracking during the stream, and making it so that I can learn at least a thing or two.

Currently, I'm only $40 in the hole. I can't imagine shelling out hundreds or thousands for a model before having a vague idea of what I'm doing.

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>>5644604
we don't kink shame here, anon. unless you're into freaky shit like handholding

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>>5644604
>top vtubers are typically chumps compared to normal twitch streamers

Almost all of them have been streaming and studying the platform for years upon years and grew up with it. They've made connections that'll take vtubers a while to make themselves. If any vtuber does manage to get big (even in the hundreds) and decides to venture out past vtubers, which is very viable for them to do they'll probably do really well.

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>>5644786
Comparatively, you've got vtubers who have been streaming less than 2 years pulling hundreds upon hundreds of viewers, some just 3 or 4 pulling thousands like Zentreya or Silvervale. They're the exception, but they've grown at a rate those guys back then wish they could have. A lot of the big guys spent years at least sub-100 viewers and as a vtuber you can make that a lot easier than just some random jackoff because as long as you're mildly entertaining, you've got a good base to work off of.

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>>5644604
A lot of vtubers follow the same model as the big big chuubas because the idea is that if it works for them, then it'll work for you too.
There's problems with this, mainly:
>Charisma will be your main asset if you're just a variety streamer, as it's something that should be able to carry over between every type of stream you do. Top streamers who've been doing this for years have refined their charisma like crazy and will be hard to beat however, so it's difficult to rely on when you're just starting out even if you can suck my cock through the screen
>A lack of unique content makes you harder to find and less likely to be spread around by the average joe when others are already doing the same but better. No, your song covers aren't special if you're just putting your voice over the original track. Neither is your Wonderwall guitar solo. Kudos to you if you cover Wndrwll however. Coco was good at this when she joined Hololive btw.
>You WILL need to pander early on to a specific audience, sticking to your guns with no specific focus will be a death sentence to viewer retention. Plenty of variety indies and just regular streamers have found initial success by appealing to a specific group early on, before using their dedicated viewers as a base to work on their wider appeal. This goes for every type of business by the way, not just streaming.

All of this comes down to one very basic business lesson: You have to give people a reason to watch you, and then a reason to stick with you. Any big streamer you've seen before has gone through this exact thing unless they've been carried by connections, but it's not impossible to make it as new content creators are always on the rise. Hours upon hours of work and streaming don't mean shit unless you give people those reasons they need to support you.

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>>5643115
Didn't know autism was a personality type

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>>5645787
Good breakdown on what elements beginning chuubas try to take from the top streamers, much to their detriment

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>>5645787
So Apex and Minecraft work then? What about trying to reach out to niche audiences i.e. 4X, grand strategy, etc

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>>5644548
That's it, I'm red chatting Terumi. I won't stand for this.

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>>5646683
>So Apex and Minecraft work then?
If you give people a reason to watch your Apex and your Minecraft over other's Apex and Minecraft, yes. Think bigger.
>What about trying to reach out to niche audiences i.e. 4X, grand strategy, etc
You have to do research into what type of content is already being made for those niche audiences, and see what you can do different, or perhaps find a way to make them palatable to a general audience to get more people interested in exploring the subject, and then sticking with you as their hook into the genre. A good example would be Maximilian Dood who made fighting game content that was extremely fun and easy for a more casual audience to digest, and probably plays a significant part in how popular fighting games are today.

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>>5644604
>I find it kinda odd the obsession with wanting to be a vtuber anyways.

Everyone and their mom wants to become a VTuber because they want to be loved just like the top VTubers out there. They want fame, adoring fans, and people who will love for who they are. I've seen so many people wasting thousands for a beautiful rig only to to completely fail in retaining viewers because, surprise surprise, the shell doesn't matter if the person inside isn't interesting.

I'll use Aoba Amemori (雨森青葉) as an example;

He is the product of Himono, one of the best rigger and modeler I've seen out there. I first saw him due to Himono's Live2D video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LqS6sIziRQ

He has one of the most amazing rigs I've seen. Massive range of movement, expressions, etc. I dare say even larger range of movement than some Hololive models. Just look at this link for an example of how wide the head movement is: https://twitter.com/himono_vtuber/status/1332127642032619523

What happened though? He has one of the best riggers/modelers out there, the buff from Himono's reputation, and even two videos from her basically advertising him. Basically, he's boring as fuck and those buffs couldn't save him.

I tried to find Himono's Live2D prices, but she doesn't have them listed anymore due the demand for her work. It's extremely expensive just from looking at the quality of her models though.

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>>5647263
jesus that rigging is godlike what the fuck

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>>5647263
What if I just want to have a small group of likeminded people hang out and watch me play games? Should I spend 10k on model, rigging, and commissions then? Because I have the money...

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>>5647627
10k on all that would be hard to pull off I'd think. Even Iron Vertex rigging would max out at like $5-6k if you paid for Brian himself to do the most complex work they offer.

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>>5647422
Her models can even lean forward and backwards from the camera as seen here: https://twitter.com/himono_vtuber/status/1347669138739662849

I don't know what Himono's current progress is regarding making her models turn completely to the side, but here's a rough example from her last year: https://twitter.com/himono_vtuber/status/1326443571570827266

Her rigging is absolutely insane. I'm a massive fan of her work.

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>>5647627
Skip the model and pay people to hang out with you then

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>>5647811
Do they speak enough English for an EOP to be able to commission rigging? Trying to figure out what options there are for high quality rigging outside IV.

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>>5647909
Eh. I could, but I'm an Otaku and everyone I know is a real human.

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>>5644604
personally I really enjoy making people laugh or just the idea of making people laugh, the happiest I been is when an edit I made got reposted and I saw it weeks later naturally be posted, and actually when someone replies with "kek" or something on here I feel really good. even if vtuber doesnt pay off for me money wise it looks fun for me. IRL streaming just seems like putting yourself out there too much (im not even an introvert its just a scary concept) so a lot of people like me in addition to introverts and uglies wants to be vtuber.
I dont know if its perfect fit for me (I dont want to make friends or communicate with viewers or anything too be honest) but I am just trying to find something I can put 100% effort to and maybe its this
btw I dont like when vtubers say "im just chillin n streamin messin around... not trying to be popular u dont have to sub bro", thats not what I mean by this pleas understand

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Double taxes for working for a Japanese corp must really suck for vtubers.

After taxes and youtube/twitch/corp's cut of profits, you end up only taking home for about 12% of what you originally earned? Probably even more brutal for the actual amount if you work for something like Prism Pro or VOMS, is it?

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>>5647938
She doesn't understand enough English for you to fully communicate with her as an EOP. You'll have to find someone to properly translate things, even more so if you're only going to commission her rigging. Himono said before that she may contact the model's artist if she needs extra parts drawn or voids filled, something that will be difficult if there's a language barrier.

If you're willing to spend some time searching, there are a lot of great JP riggers out there. It's just difficult for EOPs to find them. I'd link a couple, but I can't remember anyone else besides Himono.


>>5647980
You don't need a god like model to have viewers. Yeah it helps to get people to click on your content, but at the end of the day they won't stay to watch your content if you're boring. If you're an actual oil baron though, go wild and commission the best model out there. It's probably chump change for you if that's the case.

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What on earth is the actual working hours clocked in by corporate vtubers outside of their streaming hours?

That is, knowing Japanese corporations will try to sneak in work hours off the books?

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>>5648469
Yeah I figured the language barrier would be an issue, and I don't think my artist speaks JP either (at least, haven't seen any in the tweets I looked at). Other ones off the top of my head were the ones that did the rigging for the new Holo4 and HoloEN outfits. Jujube and... I forget the other (Kelliy or something?). Not whoever did Gura's new outfit though.

>>5648520
I'd imagine it would be hard to tell, and dependant on the streamer. Obviously there's prep time, planning, meetings, rights management and whatnot. Also you have some like Coco that do a lot of shit in the background.

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>>5648678
I guess this, and double taxes as foreigner is a big turnoff.

Off the books hours without pay is such a gouging.

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>>5648847
>Off the books hours without pay is such a gouging.
Just so you know, if you want to look at streaming as an actual profession, there aren't really any "off hours". Due to the lack of any real work hours, a lot end up just streaming a shitload, or doing related work. Because of the overarching thought of "I could be streaming right now". Want to play a game? Well fuck, may as well stream it. Bored? May as well stream. It becomes a job that kinda removes any sort of 'free time'. Thats why you see so many streamers with godawful work schedules as time goes on.

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>>5643893
The fuck, that's an average viewer count right in line with my no-name ass

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>>5649095
he's streaming right now if you want to check him out.

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>>5649149
but he doesn't talk right?
what is there to watch for?

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>>5649239
to mock him? say sarcastic shit in chat and see his reaction? speed run a ban? take notes on how not to a vtuber?

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>>5648520
>What on earth is the actual working hours clocked in by corporate vtubers outside of their streaming hours?
Watson talked about it in one of her Q&A streams but I can’t remember which one. The answer was quite a bit, but I don’t remember an exact number.

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>>5648678
You want to temper your expectations if you think riggers that worked on Hololive models would even consider working on yours if you're a nobody. They're at the top for a reason- except for the one that did Gura and Anya, their work is god awful (sorry but it's true). Iron Vortex might not consider your application for rigging you're a nobody either. Maybe if you're an oil baron you could bribe top riggers to work on your model though.

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>>5649274
No thanks, I don't want to give that menhera even one view or waste my time on them.

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>>5649476
Nah, already applied to IV for this years rigging slots and didnt get in, thus looking at other options. I love my artists work and the design fits me and my style perfectly IMO, so I wanna do right by them and get some good rigging done since I can afford it out of pocket. I just don't want art I love to be saddled with terrible rigging due to impatience.

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>>5649274
dude really thinks followers-only chat while muted and only 4 viewers is a good idea lmao

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>>5637373
i have a stable job and do this because i enjoy it
having people come into my chat and talking to me is good enough desu

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>>5644160
good thing i debuted with like 20 twitter followers and 1 viewer during debut so that i could go nowhere but up from there!

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>>5649546
I'll be honest, I hate Iron Vortex's rigging (especially Brian's). The physics are turned up too damn high which makes their tits look like water balloons and hair float around too much. It's extremely distracting.

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>>5649969
>The physics are turned up too damn high which makes their tits look like water balloons and hair float around too much
blame thirsty weebs with too much disposable income financially supporting shit like that. it's highly in demand, so that's what the people provide.

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>>5649969
>Iron Vortex
Didn't realize they expanded into whirlpools. But yeah I can see why someone wouldn't like it, but I don't mind it at all. I think it really depends on the character. Anime waifus with hair and clothing bits all over the place make sense to be more "bouncy" to catch the eye but sometimes it gets out of hand.

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>>5650004
I'm glad Brian toned that shit down for Ritsu's rig

>>5650047
For some reason I always thought of it as vortex and not vertex.

A character can be bouncy without extreme psychics. Ollie, Akirose, and Cali are some examples that comes to mind. I personally like more realistic rigging but I can see the demand for tits that have a mind of its own.

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I only want to become a successful vtuber so people know who I really am, point out all of the weird traits and personality quirks that I can't see in myself. I want them to analyze how I play video games and write out long paragraphs talking about what kind of person they think I am based on my decisions. I want them come up with memes about me that feature the dumbest shit I say. I want them to clip me talking about my thoughts and making myself more vulnerable and open to thousands of strangers online, more than I'll ever be able to open up to my close friends and family. I want to leave a small impact in the lives of the people who watch me so that for just 2 hours of every long fucking day in this hell hole, they can smile and laugh a bit.

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>>5651528
...you good, bro?

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>>5651528
Zylphe pls. How you think any of those things are going to happen if you're muted and have no facial expressions

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>got some views on my nijisanji application video
it's finally happening bros

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should i openly state that my vtuber is pansexual so that i get fanart from both males and females? or is the fujo baiting too hard?

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>>5652108
Depends on the crowd you want.

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>>5651983
No fucking way, seriously? When did you submit your application and they did view the full 5 minutes?

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>>5652143
i just want the artsy but thirsty crowd who will draw lewd pictures of my vtuber. i don't really care about gender, i just want my fanart to be slutty as fuck.

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>>5635247
Posting this because OP is a coward who deleted it.

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>>5642459
Sure thing naoki

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>>5652267
on one hand, kek
on the other hand, dude's a fucking lost fucking cause larping as an OC he came up with at 13. i was in a much better place not even knowing who the fuck he was. stop reminding me that ngmis like him exist.

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>>5651983
Grats anon! please collab with me when you're famous

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>>5652339
Honestly, you could probably find way more like him in the 0-1 viewer category, except I think most of them don't have 1k+ followers...

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>>5652443
yeah, but the difference is that while i know that general category of ngmis exist, i don't know them individually by name. and i'm much happier that way.

also the dude posts his local PO box in his twitch panels, has his state on twitter, and reused an account from back in 2010, so i'm even more pissed off about his weak opsec game.

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>>5630265
nobody has "no accent"
if people say you have no accent it just means you speak the same way as the people around you.

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I just wanna be a vtuber because I like making TTRPG characters and fleshing them out more than I like rolling dice
making a new character and roleplaying as it is way more fun than playingthe games desu

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Don't let /wvt/ groom you! It's happening to others of you as we speak. Don't let it happen to you!

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>>5652247
You need to push an overly sexual angle in your content then. Artsy streamed to horny fucks for YEARS to cultivate that audience, so he farmed the hell out of it.

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>>5652766
don't wanna scare off viewers too early by making it obvious that i'm pushing a sexual angle. my plan is to try and mix it in with the rest of the stream and make it seem kinda... natural? if that makes sense. like commenting on things i see in-game, or maybe staring at an NPCs ass for a little too long, moaning slightly when i take damage instead of the usual "ah! yabai!" type of shit.

you think that'd work?

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>>5652879
t. male

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>>5652980
yes.
the thing i'm aiming for is something like this https://youtu.be/X7DoFzaGTVQ but it happens a little bit too frequently to not be bottom left

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>>5652879
Unless you've got a good femboy voice then no one will care, it's how a lot of VRChat femboys like Artsy and lesser streamers got popular, literally doing exactly what you're saying. You're more likely to attract weirdos and not actual artists and then get pigeonholed into that type of content, unable to do anything else and weirding out a lot of non-viewers.

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>>5653391
>femboy
no, i'm going full masc.

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>>5652339
>c. 2003
>when he was 13
Kek, good to know that Zylphe is a schizo sperg in his 30s