/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

what went wrong?

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>>55897371
Aki Rose 1.0. I'm sure they nerfed her at some point but that shit was enough for me to never want to play this shit again.

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>>55897371
you had too high expectations when it is doing more than fine for an indie game

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>>55897371
Fighting ganes are boring.

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>>55897371
males
now the homobeggars will seethe.
at least holocure will only add males when it ran out of girls.

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>>55897371
Dev stole art without credit.

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>>55897371
its a fighting game
no one but autists play those

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>>55897371
it's a fighting game and SF6 released

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>>55897920
This.

[Anonymous No.]

Insistence on sneaking in homo references and forcing the talents to acknowledge Roberu's existence.

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>>55897371
homo infested

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>>55898192
>>55898144
Stop thinking about cock for once in your lives

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>>55897920
Sounds perfect for the vtuber community

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>>55897371
Alot of Stars references and shill.

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>>55897371
It's a shit game both aesthetically and as a technical fighting game. Once the novelty wears off you realize there's no replay value

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>>55897371
New fighting games always die because the casuals get destroyed and blame the game (because you can't blame a team).
Only a handful of them survive because all the autists coalesce around them.

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>>55897371
Nothing you faggot. Its a FAN MADE GAME.

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Even legacy series like KoF are lucky if they get 500 concurrent players after their launches / updates.
Only ones that can really bank on an audience are Tekken, Mk, smash and capom FGs. Maybe GG. The rest are SoL

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>>55897371
The game's not deep enough and the updates are too slow

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>>55897371
Coco being in the roster unironically fucked the possibility of this game getting a bigger recognition outside of the holo fandom.
Aside from this, it's obvious the devs got perpetually stuck in mid to late 2021 with the obvious Aki saviorfagging and other memes and references of the time.

>>55898261
You're asking the impossible, anon.

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>>55898261
>Devs put cock in the game that you can't ignore
Stop thinking about the cock!

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>>55897371
It was a super convoluted way to homobeg

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>>55897371
homobeggin

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>>55898381
>aesthetically
While I actually kinda like the vibe they were going for, I have to agree. When they start fighting, the sprites lack the finesse the last 2D fightans had before almost all of them jumped to 3D models.
I know it's an indie game, but it doesn't change the fact that they need to be able to match who they were inspired by (like Holocure did with Vampire Survivors), or even surpass them.
The start was pretty rough too. Fucked up online, small roaster, bugs, OP character, etc.
And yes, even if people don't like to admit it, the homos being part of the game right off the bat didn't help.

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>>55897564
this
even Elon can enjoy games like Holocure but fightings...
last time I had fun in fighting game was Bushido blade 2

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>>55900577
>the homos being part of the game
Why would the devs do this? Are they unironic homobeggars?

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>>55898261
Say that to the devs, maybe the game will succeed then

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>>55897371
Homos.

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>>55900614
*and only against human of course

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>>55897371
They made every girl have brown skin

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>>55897371
Not deep enough for fighting game fans, but its still a fighting game so it filters the general audience.

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>>55898452
on top of not being able to blame a team you cant also be carried to victory by your team sometimes. This is why fighting games always have problems keeping an audience no new player wants to loss for 2 hours straight against people who have been playing longer then them

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>>55900614
Goddamn Bushido Blade was good. I never played the second one, I think.

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>>55900675
Someone posted that there's someone in the Dev team that basically said they were glad people were mad about the homos being included. That may be just a filthy rrat they took off of the sewers they have instead of a brain, though. Who knows.

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>>55897371
Any fighting game without a strong story mode dies, why do you think Mortal Kombat is one of the most popular even though it's combat is trash compared with others fighting games?
The best way is having good story mode and good mechanics like Tekken, but that's extremely hard even for big companies, imagine for a fan game...

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>>55897371
Shoving homos into it. Now the homobeggars will never stop pestering the dev until he makes them playable.

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>>55899284
>coco who is among the most popular outside of the fandom fucked the possibility of being popular outside the fandom
just say china like you meant lil buddy

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I watched the evo mini tournament and was surprised how an 8 fighter roster managed to produce the same 3 picks every single time (and I don't think I ever saw a support other than Ame)

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>>55897371
i like the art and sound design of this game, but that's about it

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>>55898144
There are stars references in holocure but nobody cares

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>>55897371
Way too clunky and the lead dev is an autist

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>>55897371
Because of how some moves are keyed it's basically impossible to play on a keyboard.

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It's a fighting game, there's nothing particularly wrong with it, it simply is what it is.

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>>55902954
Name one

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>>55903149
Yep, this made me completely drop the game

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>FGC is the definition of a vocal minority
>90% of fighting games are dead as fuck and the entire community just rallies around the same 2-4 franchises
>Idol Showdown has no ranked (???) and matchmaking, who the fuck plays fighting games without that, instant DOA flag

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>>55903939
Fighting games are a niche genre, but they aren't dead. MK11, Tekken, SF6, GG Strive, KoF, all have active players. Even old ass games like 3rd strike have a community where you can find players.

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>>55897371
Not enough fighters and some of them are broken.

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>>55902718
NTA, but you're being far too naive if you think this is just a china problem when there are westoid organizations who will be open to hold prized tournaments or other sort of competitions as long as it doesn't hurt any possibility for them to be sponsored by bigger corpos in the future. ASUS comes to mind.

There's also the problem of Cover wanting to soft memory-hole her outside of her being referenced in the site's talent page and their expo, and suggesting chuubas to not mention her name on stream nowadays, but this is not the thread for that sort of discussion.

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>>55897371
The game mechanics are not deep and engaging enough, and they also lack the dopamine rush to keep the casuals playing.

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>>55901567
>MK
>strong story
You have to joking nigger ever since X the plot has no continuity or consistency because unironic trannies wrote the next ones lmao

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The game is honestly fun but Sora is a fucking war crime of a character.

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>>55904604
Chink loving outside the cesspool here. It's actually getting worst btw, there is talks circulating blaming coco on youth unemployment because she 'cut away an industry'.

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>>55897371
Overt tempus references.
This isn't me being a unichud either, it's just clear as day some of the holoen girls want nothing to do with tempus or the controversy they bring, so including tempus lore and references is just going to filter those girls once they realize what's up.
It's also very reddit. Lots of circlejerk stuff like worshipping coco and other stuff that just feels weird.
Meanwhile you've got holocure which is just a really nice loveletter to hololive with some classy lowkey and small references to the stars ensuring its inclusive to all

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>>55897371
character pool too small, everyone wants to play their osht

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Nothing. It's still kinda fun even though I'm not good at it.
There's still a /fig/ general, and even if there wasn't, not every game needs to be discussed until the end of time. People should be able to play things and then move on

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>>55902954
>>55905058
I would love to see one example of Stars references in Holocure. I'm not doubting you but I just haven't seen any after playing for hours.

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>>55905793
Arcade mode, starter items are all references to Tempus.

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>>55905897
>Arcade mode

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>>55906022
Virtual Frontier, messed up the names but you get the point.

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>>55906356
Are you actually fucking retarded? I ask for example of HoloStars reference in Holocure and you babble about Idol Showdown?

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>>55905793
The only one I know of is new. Tempura is one of the food items added in this new patch, and that is the name of the Tempus fanbase as a whole. It might not be an intentional reference, but maybe it is.
Either way its obvious Kay Yu is holding back on the Stars for now.

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>>55906996
>Either way its obvious Kay Yu is holding back on the Stars for now.
It'd be funny if Gura would have to stop acknowledging Holocures existence because they added EN Stars

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>>55906996
>Tempura
This is same level of homobeggar reaching than the delusion that Mio-mama was going to do tarot reading for one of the Tempus guys.

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>>55906996
...You know that tempura is a japanese food, right?

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>>55905793
Both of Risus mascots in the new stage were drawn by Oga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HW5LyR8-k0

[Anonymous No.]

>There are so many things that can be talked about, like the community, the mechanics, the balance, etc.
>COCKS ! AAAAAIIIIIEEEEEE...!!!
>COCOCK ! RRRREEEEEEE.....!!!!
jezas, man...

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>>55907467
Well, spread that to catalog and destroy the goodwill of that game here forever.

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>>55897371
No updates.

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>>55897371
>what went wrong?
Did something go wrong? It had an EVO side and everything.
Are you one of those kappachino retards trying to brigade it unironically?
https://twitter.com/IdolShowdown/status/1688087564337709056/retweets/with_comments

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>>55907467
That’s not much of a stars reference. He drew Risu’s mascot, so of course his art is gonna be in it.

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>>55907653
Plus, you know, everyone who isn't absolutely total schizo is more than OK with Oga.

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>>55907237
>>55907187
Yeah obviously Tempura is just a thing that exists. But its also a Tempus reference. Its not to the point of calling every skeleton a deadbeat, but in a hololive game that the dev has stated multiple times will eventually have Stars too, there will be people who say Tempura is a reference. And it is, even if unintentional.
The main thing will be to see how many of the craftable foods are references, or if they are just all japanese foods.

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>>55904604
it's not like the zhang pandering companies would support hololive sans coco
also intel and sega have no issue sponsoring her outside of holo

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>>55904604
>There's also the problem of Cover wanting to soft memory-hole her outside of her being referenced in the site's talent page and their expo, and suggesting chuubas to not mention her name on stream nowadays, but this is not the thread for that sort of discussion.
>Source: my ass

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>>55907582
Cry more.

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>>55908001
>unintentional
>reference

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>>55907467
StarsJP and HoloID have always been BBF

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>>55904745
I mean strong in the meaning that there's a lot that happens and lots of things to do, the quality of the story is trash but casuals don't play without a objective, when they see the end credits they close the game and never play it again

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Ummm this is Idol Showdown thread, please talk about me and not Holocure, I'm interesting I swear

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>>55908417
Do you think it is impossible to have a reference in a product that the author didn't intend?

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>>55908964
Who do you think is in after Pekora? I don't think we have a hint like we did before.

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>>55908992
If the fans are retarded yes, I already seen people say that it's a dark souls reference just because a game theme is around souls

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>>55909046
I would say Marine but she already has a assist, so maybe Gura or Calli

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>>55907621
I don't know how nu-EVO works, but most majors will let you run a side tournament for whatever you want as long as you have someone willing to run it and bring the equipment.

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>>55908992
To my understanding "reference" always means deliberate action. Not coindence.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/reference

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>>55901567
Why fighting games don't include a brawler mode is beyond me.

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>>55897371
The pixelwork is downright atrocious and half baked

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Silly anons, Holocure included a male from the start

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>>55897371
The casual shelf life of a fighting game on release is about 2 weeks then you never hear about them again unless they have a big enough presence at a major tournament like evo or ceo.
Nobody enjoys playing these games when they're immediately solved by all the sweaty nerds who live in practice mode.

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>>55897371
Fucking terrible roster.
>popular member like Miko and Marine are assists
>actual roster is made up of shitters like Botan and Aki and a girl who graduated years ago

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>>55901567
>Any fighting game without a strong story mode dies
Ah yes, how could I forget the memorable Tekken 7 story

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>>55908992
This is getting sad at this point. Can i get a gun to kill the homo please?

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>>55897371
I didn’t make it
I would’ve done better

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>>55898261
Good old deadbeat scripted response

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>>55898144
>Insistence on sneaking in homo references
Holocure have two Oga's creations in it yet nobody have a problem

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>>55910126
The western fanbase has a very skewed perception of which JP girls are actually popular

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>>55910126
Marine would have been so cool. Imagine the moveset options you have to work with using her sword, cannons, a pistol, various water moves…
Such a better option than most of the ones chosen.

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I mean one reason why fighting games (traditional fighters, that is) will always be a niche genre is because of the emphasis on frame precision that completely ignores “feel” and boils down to calculation. The ability to do things casually or free-form is gone the moment the frame data is figured out, meaning that the only people who will continue to do them are those who sink enough time into it to learn those things consistently.

This is why traditional fighting games, which place an insane emphasis on calculation and precision, will remain forever a niche, especially in the streaming community, and ESPECIALLY among women.

This stands in contrast to other forms of fighting games like platform fighters. In smash, for example, it doesn’t matter if you know that a move comes out frame 6 vs frame 8 (except in niche OOS situations), since what matters more than when the hitbox comes out is where you are when you use it. It’s a game that emphasizes “feel” over numbers, making it much more palatable for general audiences and streamers, and especially women streamers.

Also the controls for traditional fighters just aren’t intuitive unless you’re used to traditional fighters, meaning most people get filtered on their initial gameplay.

TLDR Idol Showdown picked a bad genre to try to gain lasting widespread attention. Holocure picked a “feel” gamestyle that helped it out immensely

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>>55911326
because oga's a chill guy

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>>55911362
I'm not that anon but no matter how you view it, Aki and Botan were far from Miko and Marine

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>>55913253
This is true but fighting devs trying to pander to pros and hardcore fags is shit, who gives a shit if a character is 2% faster than another one, just patch infinites and game breaking problems

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>>55897371
I uninstalled as soon as I saw that homo in the story mode

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>>55910126
The plan was to eventually have both fighter and assist versions of all members, including EN, ID, StarsJP, and even Tempus.

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>>55913253
FINALLY someone that also gets why traditional fighters are fundamentally shit thank you

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>>55897371
You dont play fighting games, do you OP? Things are going damn good for a free indie game that has to compete with freaking SF6.

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fighting games are a dead genre

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>>55897371
>>55897564
>>55897920
>>55900795
>>55903339
>>55904310
>>55913253
>>55921552
>>55922970
>what went wrong?
fgc fans are still in a delusion that their game could ever hit the mainstream, regardless whether its tekken, sf, gg, or idol showdown
there's a reason why "no items, fox only, final destination" is a meme, because fgc autists like their game as a match of pure skill. but just like classical chess, it gets boring real fast because once you know who the most skilled player is there's no point for the audience to get invested, everything just becomes rote and goes through the motions
the solution really is to add more randomization (like rapid/bullet chess) but ofc autists would rather drink bleach
homos and dated references aside, idol showdown would've been better as a smash clone but fgc will never admit that smash is the best kind of fightan that balances both competitive integrity and audience enjoyment

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>>55921230
They spent more than 2 years to deliver 8 characters with half of them being broken on the launch, even if they got way better with practice it would easily take more 5 years to do just all the girls

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>>55924475
The problem is that with platform fighters, it's:
Smash > power gap > Brawlhalla > enormous power gap > everything else.
Multiversus flew out the gate with great fanfare, only for the playerbase to completely dry up and the dev announcing "the beta ended." The hell is a Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale? Sure, the upperest end of Smash beats anything FGC 1 on 1 for popularity, but after Brawhalla everything's less relevant than Idol Showdown. Even Smash Ultimate is suffering with Bamco's steadfast refusal to put real netcode in any of their games. And even Brawlhalla comes with the asterisk of being a strangely popular game that nobody except Brawlhalla players care about. Shit's about as grim as Tekken being the only 3D fighter that exists in any capacity.

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>>55924475
You are fucking retarded and full of melanin. Idol Showdown crashed and burned because it's a massively janky kusoge and not even an entertaining one at that.

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>>55925781
the fact that brawlhalla is popular despite using completely original IP only proves my point that the smash model is best
tekken, sf, gg... they all have popular IP backing them, creating a traditional fightan with new IP won't get you anywhere
if multiversus didn't have stupid corporate backing them (seriously WB, skins instead of new characters and balancing?) then things would've been different

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>>55926917
idolshowdown being a smash clone will already make the game infinitely more entertaining and eliminate more than half of its jank you moron

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>>55909046
I'd be real surprised if we don't get Mori and Gura as the last two slots. They seem so obvious that barring evidence otherwise that's how I've been filling in the rest of the roster in my head.

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>>55910129
Harada's spanish guitar and the narrator carried

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>>55927294
>smash clone
you're retarded and have only played smash flash. I can respect the game for having a quick fix, but the release of a game is extremely important. So if Aki 1.0 and also Ayame 1.0 was allowed to throw ya around for longer than what an ultimate lasts, then people will back off. Specially FGC players that only care about the feel of the game (which wasn't great)

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>>55907582
/vt/ is factually more obsessed with stars than the beggars they claim to hate.

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>>55901567
>Any fighting game without a strong story mode dies
>GG
>SF
>MK

sure anon...

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>>55908942
that'd mean smash has a great story (there's no story)

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>>55927294
You actually are a retarded ass nog. Consider Canadian healthcare.

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>>55897371
Inclusion of males. Simple as.

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>>55924475
this is a retarded take. you can see this on fucking tennis, soccer or anything that requires skill (csgo and lol being an example). there's a lot more that goes there. If ya want to add randomization just go to a fucking casino

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>>55929701
>fgc stunlock shenanigans
you're retarded, having a 4person freeforall smash gameplay will make such things like stunlocks much less agonizing (because the other players will just hit you while you do your broken shit), making the eventual fixes more bearable to wait for

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Did they add watame yet

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>>55930312
>mentions casino as if it's a gotcha
texas hold'em poker is a competitive game and has incredible audience retention, remember those tv shows in the 2000's with tom dwan and phil ivey? no ofc you don't
>csgo and lol
they're competitive games but are shit streaming games fucking newfag, /vt hates it when holos stream valorant
>>55930078
your 1v1 fightan will never hit the mainstream, troon.

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>>55930498
fgc stunlock shenanigans aint the same as 70% of the time on the match im on the air and any c. is an automatic death. while Aki could obliterate the shit out of anyone, while being a screen away.

>smash gameplay will make such things like stunlocks much less agonizing
Kazuya, Bayonetta, Mythra and Meta Knight. If ya wanna see acouple more examples there's also Tails 1.0. It's not about the style of game. It's about (SHOCKING) game balance and game feel. That's where the game was shit and felt like skull girls, but without weight and also a lot more boring

[Anonymous No.]

True answer:
It released really close to Street Fighter, the game was astonishingly good and eclipsed Idol Showdown, had it come once the SF hype died down it could have gained more popularity

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>>55931163
teleportation in a fightan is retarded and should've never been made, but the idolshowdown developer is an akifag, so there you go
ofc broken shit will happen in a 1.0, but my point is that broken shit feels reaaaallly broken when it's a 1v1; in a free for all people can afford to wait longer for a balance patch.
game feel is completely subjective and differs from player to player, not sure why you argue that point

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>>55930752
>texas hold'em poker
again. then go watch a stream with them. im sure it's got it's own interesting shit. but wanting to randomize a game genre that was built and based on skill is just asking for the core audience to not play or watch the game at all.

>/vt hates it when holos stream valorant
Nobody cares what the fuck /vt/ wants. We're talking about the main stream

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>>55931550
>but wanting to randomize a game genre that was built and based on skill is just asking for the core audience to not play or watch the game at all.
no items, fox only, final destination, amirite?! KEK
you fgc fags will never hit the mainstream the way fps did, go drown in your own delusions

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>>55931496
>teleportation in a fightan is retarded and should've never been made
again. wrong. there's shit like bedman, zelda, palutena and current metaknight that show it can be done without breaking the game. do your reps.

>he idolshowdown developer is an akifag
basically lol.

> broken shit feels reaaaallly broken when it's a 1v1
dude. if they can not even do a game with only 2 characters in a screen how do you imagine they'll be able to make a game with 4 on the screen?

>game feel is completely subjective
you've never played a game???? when you throw a punch on SF6 you can FEEL how meaty it is. When you shoot a RPG on any (good) shooter, you can FEEL how strong the recoil on the gun is, how strong the explosion is. The Idolshowdown didn't show this at any point.You get poked with a c. and then the game it's over. It doesn't FEEL earned and it doesn't FEEL like it's fair. Which is what the FGC stands for in ANY of their popular games

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>>55931826
You haven't heard of HungryBox. Even if it's not mainstream, when you get it, you get it. It's the same feel you get when you see your team win in a soccer game, the same feel ya get when you see that 360 no scope on a random csgo channel from 9 years ago. Maybe it won't hit the mainstream, but if it has to change the whole reason why the game is loved for it to hit it, then I'm alright with it never hitting it

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>>55931496
Aki's problem wasn't really teleportation and more of various factors like the fact that the teleport was ridiculously fast, her stupid high meter gain and how she could punish you for hitting you because of Mukirose staying out even if she got hit. And she went under the radar a bit at the start because Botan was both brainless and had obvious strong traits without requiring as much labbing. And honestly, in the game's current state and maybe just my opinion, Sora has the potential to be annoying like Aki because she's kind of fucked up even if it's in a different way.

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>>55926917
This doesn't hold any water because it made a big splash on debut and only really died after SF6 released and blew everyone out of the water. If it died because it was janky it would've died on release

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>>55931496
>>55932396
Bear in mind all of this only matters in high level play when the issue being discussed here is why it failed to get casuals to stick with it

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>>55897371
Did something go wrong with it? I had fun playing it for a couple of days.

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>>55932155
>>55932396
>teleportation is only good on low tier and nerfed characters
you're already proving my point here, teleportation is a fundamentally broken mechanic that's only tolerable as a gimmick with a weak kit to surround it
>making a 4 player freeforall is hard
yes it is, still doesn't refute my point though
>FEEL
street fighter II turbo didn't have any of the meatiness you mentioned but it's still a good game, FEEL is subjective
>>55932365
fgc wants a chess game where the best player wins all the time
but everyone else wants a poker game where the best player wins some of the time, but weaker players get a spot in the limelight. multiplayer also increases drama and that's what the audience wants
as long as the fgc doesn't understand this fightans will never hit the mainstream

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>>55932762
>why it failed to get casuals to stick with it
OHHH! Well that's cause SF6 was way more fun and had an open beta.

>Why vtuber fans didn't keep playing?
cause fgc are like mobas. you gotta really get deep to stick with it

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>>55932893
Yeah that's the thing, you had fun for a couple days and then forgot about it, just like everyone else

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>>55897371
All its references are years out of date and it's impossible for it to update so all the enthusiasm right up front goes to nothing because everyone was excited for future things for the game but none of that will ever be in there for years if at all.

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>>55908226
It's based on watching streams. The conspiracy is that Cover had to tell them to do that when the truth is that they don't want to reference her based on their own tendencies. The fact that none of them want to say her name directly is no different from Pekora not wanting to say Miko's name.

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>>55911362
It's obvious you are saying this about the people who made the game but I'm pretty sure they are very well aware they aren't highlighting the popular members. They are pretty open about favoring the girls they want to be popular. Aki being the most obvious one.

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>>55933403
>none of them want to say her name
Nigger are you serious

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>>55933403
>none of them want to say her name directly
I'll take things that never happened for 500 Alex

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>>55933403
Protip, putting "watching streams" in front of your post is not a free pass to blatantly lie

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>>55932762
Honestly it's near impossible to get casuals to stick with these kinds of games. Even Smash is mainly played because of brand recognition. Meanwhile some random ass FOTM shooter will pop up out of fucking nowhere and get popular in an instant. The majority of people would rather just grab a gun and shoot people instead of fighting hand to hand, or sword to sword.

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>>55904875
>there is talks circulating blaming coco on youth unemployment because she 'cut away an industry'.
No fucking way this is real, then again
>also lives in a thirdworld shithole whose president already did this in other things.

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>>55932965
>teleportation is a fundamentally broken mechanic
You wouldn't like DBFighterz lol. But ANY mechanic can be broken if it's not balanced correctly. Imagine if Ryu could hadouken 3 times as fast and also jump while doing so and that his projectile speed was also twice as fast. Meta Knight wasn't broken cause of his teleportation anyways. It was cause of his airspeed, combo string, etc etc.

>still doesn't refute my point though
1. You're asking for a completely different game. Not a fighting game.
2. If that team can't do a basic fighting game I doubt they can make one with more characters on screen.
>FEEL
feel is the only reason why people keep playing TF2, csgo, Third Strike, etc etc. Cause of FEEL.

> the best player wins all the time
mfw the skill game is about skill lol

>everyone else wants a poker game
Street Fighter 6: 6.7K Viewers
Poker: 4.8K Viewers
that might just be you anon.

>weaker players get a spot in the limelight
again. hungrybox, mkleo, you could even argue leffen. most recently a sol player (i don't expect you to know who the fuck sol is lol) winned arcworldtour. Which is huge.

>multiplayer also increases drama
there IS drama in the smash community, there IS drama on other fighting games too. Have ya seen LTGod?

>fightans will never hit the mainstream
And hopefully they never will. Otherwise you'll get shit like OperaGX vtuber and Pokimaine vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55907467
You are beyond retarded if you think that counts. Big surprise, many of the artists for Hololive are male and the female talents often heap praises on these males more than they do [you]. This is like saying whenever the Smol Councilrys models are used it's a Sana reference. The problem here would be Risu for commissioning Oga, it's not an Oga reference. And I don't know why ID are so unpopular since there's so many reasons to choose from, but a big part of why I don't watch them is because all of them try to force Homolove into everything and make it their entire identity. Only one or two like Kaela or Reine interact with Homos rarely. So if you want NO even hints at Homos then referencing ID at all in anything is a Homo reference and suddenly all of Hololive becomes unwatchable when you're that retarded because JP has a handful of major Homolovers who appear in a lot of JP-only content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55934005
>Meanwhile some random ass FOTM shooter will pop up out of fucking nowhere and get popular in an instant.
aiming and shooting a gun with the mouse is infinitely easier than hurting your fingers practicing the myriad of fightan inputs
game simplicity is a thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>55925781
Smash is #1 by far but rivals of aether has a niche following that has the potential to go way more mainstream with Rivals 2. Also NASB was… a thing that seems to be improving with its sequel. Multiversus sucks massive cock though, I don’t think anyone will deny that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897371
No Jiru-kun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55933626
>>55933660
>>55933858
I know you clipwatchers are retarded but it's the people who make the clips that put Coco in the thumbnails just like they put all the hentai in the thumbnails. Even if you can't speak Japanese, just using a little listening skills would help you realize they almost never say her name and only vaguely allude to her. Even when they put that fucking dragon overtop one of their Minecraft sports festivals, they all looked at it together and were happy but tried to avoid directly saying her name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55934005
Here's your answer to why FGC never go mainstream
>>55932965
>>55934204

[Anonymous No.]

>>55934155
t. deranged schizo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55934140
>You wouldn't like DBFighterz lol
teleportation isn't broken when everyone else has it, don't miss the forest for the trees
>FEEL
again subjective, why do you keep pushing this? you didn't even refute my street fighter II turbo argument, aka the game that launched the fgc community
>everyone else wants a poker game
don't miscontrue my argument, when i talk about poker games i'm talking about competitive games with random elements that create tension where the best player might not actually win (you know, like actual texas hold'em poker), the fact that you misunderstand this means you have no idea what the audience wants. please don't make me bring up smash numbers vs street fighter.
>fgc got drama too!
LTGod is kiwifarms level of retarded, when i talk about drama, i'm talking dota2 notail and fly leading up to The International 8, that was absolute kino
>mfw the skill game is about skill lol
>fightans will never hit the mainstream
i like that you're honest that fgc should be a chess game and that you're gatekeeping to keep that intact, fair enough. just be happy in your little chess club, alright?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55934005
Buddy you say that like dynasty warriors aren't popular or something. The issue isn't the fighting, it's the fact that the controls to fighting games are non intuitive and frankly require retarded levels of precision

[Anonymous No.]

>>55934362
>gets called out for lying
>REEEE IT MUST BE CLIPWATCHERS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.]

>>55934362
>calling her kaichou is vaguely alluding
Do you really?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55934204
Except a big audience of these shooters are on consoles. On top of that, even games with more immediate casual appeal get ignored. How many simple fighting games died, arena fighters or all the Smash clones? Let's be honest, guns are probably the main fantasy for people. They want to shoot shit, which is probably why they can churn out new ones with new IPs and still rake in the money.

>>55934976
You could mention souls games too since those sell a ton, but even there people have the option of using bows and magic. I'm not saying that people never play these kinds of games, but let's be real, the mainstream tends to prefer long range options. I don't exactly know why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55934528
I was criticizing the deranged schizo trying to see Homos where they weren't. Nice try though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897371
I only play for the single player content. As it is right now, there are male in that mode and I don't feel like touching that game until they added homo-begone toggle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55935051
If it weren't for you clipwatchers, nobody would even know Coco existed. You can't absorb that knowledge from actual current content, only from clips and fangames and so on inserting it into content.

[Anonymous No.]

I had no idea people even cared about brawlhalla. I tried it and it felt like shit. Do people really?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55935300
>Except a big audience of these shooters are on consoles
let's not forget that the only reason those shooters are on consoles is because of AIM ASSIST (cough cough APEX), it's like putting lower input delay on fightans as long as you're using a steering wheel, it's completely retarded and i hate that game developers are doing this to please consolefags
but yes, just like in real life where you ask yourself why bother wasting your life training martial arts when you can just have a gun for self defense, why bother playing fightans when you can play shooters?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55934583
>teleportation isn't broken when everyone else has it
again. bedman, metaknight, zelda and palutena. none of them broken and all of them have teleport. also again. metaknight wasn't broken cause of his teleportation. it was cause of all the other shit i listed lol

>FEEL
Again. People play games cause of the feel you can see it in the examples I listed. Also turbo didn't start this. It was PONG lol.

>competitive games with random elements
SO TRUE ANON! They should have boxing matches were you gotta do a dancing mini game to get a level up and unlock a maze that makes the enemy's arms disapear!
>the best player might not actually win
yknow. like hungrybox. or like sol winning arcworldtour. or like mkleo. or like evo moment 37. anon. you don't know shit about fighting games.

>dota2
ZZZ.

>gatekeeping
yes. if you can not do a motion input or think metaknight was broken cause of his teleport then I'm alright with not having you in the FGC lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55935616
The biggest reason why teleportation isn’t busted in smash is because it has such insane endlag. If you’ve seen the insane shit Palu can do with platform cancels you know that it absolutely would be broken without as much lag as it has.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55935401
Fucking retard, every time when Watame goes to the old Minecraft server to get some materials she goes to the Coco statue to listen to Weather Hackers, now kill yourself nijinigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897371
Game was released in an unfinished janky state
As it started it was funny jank, but as time went on and 20+ combos were getting reliably found it became just jank. And I dont mean 20+ hits, I meant seconds, when the novelty wears off, you were just watching one character mincing the other in a blender while the other guy watches and waits for his turn
And as the novelty wore off and the game was clearly in a clear need of severe touching up, sf6 comes and sweeps it all away, in a clear display of very bad timing and foresight from the devs for both rushing the game and releasing at the worst possible timing

[Anonymous No.]

>>55935616
>bedman, metaknight, zelda and palutena
again arguing in bad faith, they're low on the tierlist which is the only reason their teleports are bearable
>nuh uh, PONG started everything!
no dumbass, it was the big bang!
>SO TRUE ANON! They should have boxing matches were you gotta do a dancing mini game to get a level up and unlock a maze that makes the enemy's arms disapear!
haha what a retarded argument
>seething that smash is the most popular fighting game
>dota2 is zzz, not muh kind of competitive game!
and now you reveal yourself as just a little bitch that can't handle that other pvp games are more successful, didn't you just say you wanted fgc to be a chess game? KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>55935860
Thanks for your angry anecdote typed through tears that says absolutely nothing. I'm sure it means a lot to you but it only proves my point, not yours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897371
too hard to get into. too many retarded combos for casuals. should've made it simple like the naruto fighting game. that game works because the ultimates input were simple and the animations were over the top KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>55935616
>if you can not do a motion input
>retarded "my game has harder inputs therefore it's better" fgc cope
dude the chess nerd at my uni can do calculations better than any fightan combo, chess > fgc right? imagine you troons being mogged by a limp-wristed cracker...

[Anonymous No.]

nobody posted THE thing
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/13b77an/did_the_idol_showdown_creator_just_made_aki_to/?rdt=65038
>founder does nothing and goes full schizo. "but it was just a joke"...

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897621
It will not, kay yu is just kicking and lip servicing the sisters
it gets enough amount of hype/engagement for it to keep it going.
He was no different to the trannycorns in his now nuked dicksword.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55899284
>chink out of nowhere
ni hao 2 u 2 bug comrade

[Anonymous No.]

>>55939655
>Not a single mention of bugland in that post
Anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55935851
mewtwo edge cancels are sick too

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897371
Koshien

[Anonymous No.]

>>55936298
your point is that hololive wants to memory hole coco, which not only isn't true but isn't supported by anything mentioned here. If you want to come back with proof that isn't pulled out of your ass do share

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897371
They charge too much money. They should cut the price.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55924475
This is what growing up on lootboxes and gacha games does to a generation. The future is looking grim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897564
This honestly
They look cool at glance but are always dogshit boring to actually play for any prolonged period of time

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897371
It did as a well as a hololive fighting game could. They combined a C tier part of pop culture with a niche game genre. What did you expect?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55935862
It's totally on you if you decide to be the asshole who grinds touch of death combos.
Find someone fun to play with. Someone who just fucks around and doesn't go full autism mode.

[Anonymous No.]

Street fighter 6.

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>>55935862
>in a clear display of very bad timing and foresight from the devs for both rushing the game and releasing at the worst possible timing
to be fair, releasing it after SF6 came out would've been a monumental disaster. Releasing before SF6 at least gave it some time in the limelight, unlike releasing it after when nobody would've even paid attention to them

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897371
>fighting game
kek roru rumao

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897371
1. garbage tier western style art
2. garbage tier western style art
3. garbage tier western style art

[Anonymous No.]

1. I don't like the art
2. I don't like fighting other people who are freaking tryhards. People I spoke too told me it wasn't really about the fighting but me getting gatekeeped by the high skill ceiling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897371
They should have made a Smash clone instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>55962010
There are multiple Holo Smash clones in the works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55959795

Yeah, and despite everything, fighting game stans liked it enough to give it a sideshow on EVO. For a small indie game that's as successful as you can expect. Of course is not competing with fucking SF6, that game is in a completely different weight class.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55935983
A better example of a teleport not making a character broken would be Venom from Xrd. Venom's 623K allows him to teleport a short distance forward in the air, or to the last ball he set by holding the button he used to set his ball. His teleport allows him to access his powerful mixup game by skipping the ball set endlag and the start of a jump. Venom is generally considered to be a powerful character in Rev2, but his teleport is less influential than his god buttons, insane chip damage and zoning. His teleport also does not cover for his terrible defense, as it's only truly effective on his offense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55962580
Correct
>t. a dev

[Anonymous No.]

>>55963290
please make Fubuki a solid A tier character. I want her to be good but I don't want people to complain about her

[Anonymous No.]

>>55952320
I do not appreciate Mewtwo

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897371
The execution of the game was well done but the core concept was bad, this style of fighting games of "20 second long combos into le epic cookie cutter mixup, repeat until death" are really lame and noninteractive and only appeal to traningmode loner schizos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55963439
>implying the presence of Fubuki
Anon I have bad news

[Anonymous No.]

>>55964035
no... it can't be

[Anonymous No.]

>>55906996
Anon, look at matsuri's weapon and then get back to us

[Anonymous No.]

Nothing, it ended up being a fantastic game. FGs are just unpopular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897371
They marketed it like an idol anime fighter when it plays like a shitty Street Fighter II, now if you want a real man's game, play Akatsuki Blitzkampf

[Anonymous No.]

>>55924475
>once you know who the most skilled player is there's no point for the audience to get invested
Not true. Upsets happen. Matches between players of equal skill also happen.

[Anonymous No.]

Any fighter that manages to stay out of discord fighter territory is doing pretty alright by the standards of the genre. It stays pretty even with GGACR and it's easy as hell to find matches in that game. I think they could've simplified things a little bit more to make it easier for new players to fully understand what was going on, something like combining the SC and Star meters into one and have everything use one shared resource, but overall I think they did pretty well. They should have added in the elo rating at launch, but I guess better late than never. I do think the way they did access to specials was pretty smart, in that it rewards players who do motion inputs with extra meter rather than punishing players who use the special button with things like limited movesets or worse frame data.

Pretty cool game, but it was always going to have lower numbers considering it's combining two niches together. I think it could've gotten more long term play if it released a year earlier; this is one hell of a year for fighting games. Most likely we'll see this as a side tourney game that has a dedicated following like Jojo or Sailor Moon though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55964192
Will you accept a “spirit?”

[Anonymous No.]

>>55967779
Better than nothing I guess...
You better make her a good one though

[Anonymous No.]

>>55964632
That means you're offering to play right?
You can't just tell others to play Akatsuki Blitzkampf without offering to play.

Also I drew similarities between the two games as well. Glad I'm not the only one. Although Idol Showdown is definitely more fun (degenerate).

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897371
Huh? I like it

[Anonymous No.]

>>55969509
Want to play?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55934155
Not reading all that, enjoy your Cope HoloCure is pozed af with Homostars references

[Anonymous No.]

>>55959523
Supreme cope from a poorfag, fgc = poverty amirite? Kek
>>55962580
This anon gets it
>>55963949
This is a problem with fightans for a long time now, the age of wasting time to learn combos has long passed, fgc needs to adapt to the times

[Anonymous No.]

30 years I've been playing fighting games, it's funny how pathetic some of you are when it comes to hating them. Stop making excuses and just admit you're too shitty to beat anyone, it's just a skill issue my doods

[Anonymous No.]

>>55969817
That's a pretty based file so sure
I'm kinda drunk though So I won't be that good
Wanna give me your steam or discord

[Anonymous No.]

>>55968073
Yeah bro I'm down to play ABK

[Anonymous No.]

>>55932610
>If it died because it was janky it would've died on release
It did die on release. It got about 10k ish players at peak and went down to under 1k in the span of like 12 hours. People tried out the game because it was free, they saw the game was ass and they stopped playing it. Simple as.

Getting mogged by SF6 was just the final nail on the coffin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55970978
Reminder that NA is shit at pvp in all its forms, whether fightan, fps, or moba, and anyone that hates pvp is a limp-wristed cracker
For true pvp skill, look eslewhere

[Anonymous No.]

>>55971097
>Wanna give me your steam or discord
no lol I'll just post the lobby code
D230F2CC
And don't worry I'm not good at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55971354
Awesome Joining now

[Anonymous No.]

>>55970978
ANd this is exactly why this game failed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55971517
nice name, faget
Also it's just loading forever for some reason. Do you wanna try making the lobby?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55971638
>nice name, faget
Thanks it's my name irl
Made one with this code F4D6C5B0

[Anonymous No.]

>>55971189
That "NA is shit" don't hold up my dood, 3rd in SF6, 1st in UMVC3, 2nd in Strive, won MK11, 3rd in Melty, 1st and 3rd in DBFZ this year at EVO. Being able to place top 3 consistently isn't shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897371
a fighting game where holomems beat the shit out of other holomems just feels gross

[Anonymous No.]

>>55971896
Still loading forever
apparently shit is just fucked.
I checked the fighting game thread and they're saying the same thing.

Well that's annoying. GGs I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55970978
Go get your blood pressure checked gramps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55971100
I can play you now if you're still here. I'll be in the fightcade lobby.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55972045
Sucks

[Anonymous No.]

>>55972133
Isn't past your bed time boy

[Anonymous No.]

>>55972255
It sure is pops. Now let's get you to bed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55972188
Imma try to play Akatsuki Bltizkampf on fightcade if you want to do that instead.
It'll actually work lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>55972588
What's your fightcade tag?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55973088
lol just ask for anon in the lobby
akb is dead so i'll see you right away

[Anonymous No.]

>>55971899
I'll give you mortal kombat because its audience is truly NA but for the other games it's notable how rare NA gets 1st in them, compare NA victories to Asia

[Anonymous No.]

>>55973088
i hope that wasn't you who started playing with the other american guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>55906996
Interesting. I also noticed that all the characters in that game breath oxygen, just like the males. Thoughts on that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55898026
>SF6
This is it.
Any other reason proffered is pure retardation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897371
Two things

>1. Not adding a single EN as a playable character
The "west" is going to be the main audience for a game like this so this seems like a massive oversight.
>2. Fighting games are hard and are not casual friendly
If you don't put time into a fighting game you are going to be absolutely destroyed by the people who are dedicated to playing it. A fighting game is not a pick up and play game like Holocure is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55974640
>The "west" is going to be the main audience for a game like this so this seems like a massive oversight.
Correct, no Gura is a travesty
>A fighting game is not a pick up and play game
All the more the dev should've made idolshowdown as a smash clone

[Anonymous No.]

>>55975085
Oh hey, I have a Gura

[Anonymous No.]

> what went wrong
SF6 came out

[Anonymous No.]

>>55900708
The vast majority don't care.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55912069
Anon, lots of girls offer great potential including the ones on the roster. But the roster is limited, they can't add everyone and it's better to have a variety of Vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

Too few characters
anime 2d fighter
lacking multiplayer lobby
wacky balancing in the initial weeks
not new player friendly enough
But still, the game is a success considering that it made to Evo 2023 and will surely take a long time until the game completely dies or oficially becomes a discord fighting game

[Anonymous No.]

>>55977596
Variety is good, variety of popular ones is better

[Anonymous No.]

>>55935983
Meta Knight wasn't low on the tier list and Palutena is top tier in Ultimate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55971189
Japan got T-bagged by a DR playing Blanka. And that country is NA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897371
I was gonna play it until I found out it has a bunch of holostars shit in it. I used to not give a shit, but random holo """"fans"""" turning into persistent holostar shills and beggars is getting old and tired, I can't take it anymore. Of course they do that but don't actually watch holostars, especially not the JP stars. It's tiresome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55971521
Except it didn't fail, it's not Discord fighter tier and did as well as a small indie hololive fighting game can realistically do. Especially after SF6's release.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55975085
If they did that retarded idea Idol Showdown would've never came out. Not everything needs to copy Smash nor does Smash clone guarantee an audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55977849
The majority of the roster is popular females. Less popular ones are perfectly fine.

[Anonymous No.]

Nobody is going to play a fighting game whether it's a clone of Smash or not

[Anonymous No.]

>>55978101
>game is popular with few turbo autists circlejerking
>didn't fail
ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>55978279
It's a smalltime fangame anon, not a commercial product that demanded everyone to play it and worship it 24/7.

[Anonymous No.]

By the way, how's SF6? Ain't paying 250 bananas for it
captcha: MKG2M

[Anonymous No.]

>>55978899
According to DSP it sucks ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>55978899
its pretty fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>55969509
>>55969817
You guys know we have a general for the game right?
Please come fight us...>>55872996

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897371
Not a good fighting game, extremely small roster that doesn't contain anyone from EN and is lacking a lot of the more popular members.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55978182
Reminder that brawlhalla is a smash clone that's popular despite using original IP while traditional fightans are all the same names (tekken, sf, gg), smash clones are the future of fightans and the fgc needs to accept it

[Anonymous No.]

>>55978921
So it's one of the best games ever made, then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55979465
Not just smash clone—platform fighter. Very different things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55979086
shit's all fucked dude
i couldn't play you even if i wanted to

[Anonymous No.]

>>55924475
You really gave your whole rant away with that smash cope at the end

[Anonymous No.]

>>55978899
It's probably the single best 1.0 of a fighting game I've played and I'm far from a street fighter fan. Only real problem with the online is there's too few ranks so Masters and Diamond have some wild skill ranges. Absolutely fantastic training mode, easily the best one I've seen.
Modern mode is viable but well balanced. The input reader is a little bit fucked up at times but for the most part Classic mode feels like it has a good skill ceiling without being unapproachable. Capcom did good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55924475
Naraka Bladepoint, a BR "souls-like" "fighting game" pretty much got mainstream in China but is having a bit of trouble picking up in the west. Mostly due to chicken-egg situation and netcode issues. Or westerners have just become too much of pussies for competitive games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfpigExRdhI

[Anonymous No.]

>>55898623
MK dies in 6 months too

[Anonymous No.]

>>55897371
It’s not smash melee

[Anonymous No.]

>>55962683
>fighting game stans liked it enough to give it a sideshow on EVO
You mean hololive stans. It was a BYOC event right? Anyone can do one of those at Evo. You are making it sound like this was FGC community led and not hololive led.

[Anonymous No.]

git gud you fucking scrubs

[Anonymous No.]

Solo competitive games are almost never popular.
Simply put because the level of obsession that some people play these games with causes an extreme disparity in player skill.

New players won't experience any kind of dopamine kick from playing fighting games unless they're willing to have five google docs open, 5+ weekends to learn the basics and fundamentals of the game AND the character they play - and even then there is no guarantee that they'll ever be good at fighting games even AFTER all that practice. Personally, having used less than stellar gamepads before and not wanting to buy an entire Arcade board, I felt I just couldn't even do something as basic as practice because all my inputs were completely fucked, gamepads couldn't even do a full 360° thumbstick rotation most of the time, so imagine learning complex combos knowing your hardware is holding you back. A good controller is pretty expensive these days and for a newcomer it's absolutely crazy to both buy a new game, a new controller AND spend a lot of your free time learning how to even play fighting games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55981744
>fightans require so much shit
To think, for all that effort, you can just play chess instead:
1. Chess is harder to learn and master which ofc makes it better
2. No need to invest money on peripherals and a console
3. The people you fight in events all bathe and wear nice clothes
4. You get better support for chess overall
Funny how fightans are like chess games but for the amount of time needed to learn fightans you're better off with an old-ass board game KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>55979465
Brawlhalla was lightning in a bottle. Using that is retarded because no matter how you slice it, a Vtuber fighter is always going to have its novelty wear off and lose players. A lot of free games didn't recapture its success.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55982946
What i'm saying is that the best chance for a holo fightan to survive to brawlhalla status would be a hololive smash clone with 59 characters

[Anonymous No.]

>>55959523
faggot I'm 30 and I agree with his take, fighting games have always been a one off thing. they will never be mainstream and the fgc troons need to suck it up and accept that casual shit like smash is a lot more engaging and fun than two faggots playing ass grab for 3 minutes while they cry about their hecking games not being played by everyone, it's chess for niggers and with the growing trend of ugly ass 3d fighters instead of 2D sprite kino is the death of this genre.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55983533
you dropped this, king

[Anonymous No.]

>>55904875
It will be hilarious if that was true because the bugs did it to themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55936298
Keep moving the goalpost, you worthless fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55965410
no amount of upsets you fgc stans pull up will ever amount to the kino that is dota2 international 8, a complete cinderella story where a literal nobody like topson got into a team everyone basically wrote off to win the whole thing
in fgc it's always the same players: knee, sonicfox, go1, daigo, justin... there is no "literal who" in the scene that makes top8, they're all "known entities" in one way or another. no cinderella story can ever happen under the fgc, because that's what fgc autists want, much to the detriment of the audience. which is fine, but don't mald when people call your scene poverty or something.
>>55979981
seethe more about smash kek, smash is the future

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>>55983533
reaching dangerous levels of based here

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>>55897371
>what went wrong?
No Advent

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>>55983533
what is it with spritework that does genuinely click better than 3d shit

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>>55897371
they were at evo?

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>>55897371
they got brett and his shitty balancing decisions are poisoning the game

call him out, even indirectly, and he gets super defensive about it

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Simple, really. It was a fighting game, a borderline niche genre in the modern day, aside from a couple of big titles still holding out. Also it's a game for Vtuber fans, a niche audience.

Combine both niches together and you have a painfully obvious and predictable lack of interest past the initial novelty stage.

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>>55974640
>>1. Not adding a single EN as a playable character
Ever since the game released I've been wondering why they only used JP as the actual fighters, especially when EN and ID are all over every other part of the game.
Do they feel EN has overrepresentation in all the other fangames?
Do they feel JP are the only "true" holos?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4pCmLbJNjA

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>>55994493
The roster was decided when EN was either still very very young or didn't even debut.

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>>55987269
The real reason.

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>>55897371
Holocure will die on the next version once they add that green girl