/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

What went wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
cant speak english!

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
not a mentally stable individual, was better off being indie but was coerced by a friend into joining a new corpo

[Anonymous No.]

She's racist and prefers to be in a japanese company

[Anonymous No.]

>>55184006
It's okay cause she's cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
>can't speak English in a company of Ens
>company collapsed so they never did any more group things to include her and Kson.
>forced to stream on Twitch where she can't appeal to Twitch ENs
>Twitch JP audience is FPS sluts who don't like her Apex
>remodel looks cheap

Mostly the limitations, because she was good with the character, but should have been on YouTube and had more than just Kson to work off of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
apex

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
she listened to coco instead of... doing something that made sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
Toxic fanbase

[Anonymous No.]

Sad, what a waste of a beautiful model

[Anonymous No.]

>>55184279
/thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
Unicorns were worthless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55184006
Based

[Anonymous No.]

Literal perfection

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
she joined vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>55184279
>>55184793
These

>>55184761
Honestly, she should've attempted a VA role on something small just for the sake of it, that way she would've remained indie, below the radar, maybe helped her clear her mind from her own menhera impulses, and most importantly, she could've avoided the male collab shitshow from a few months back... But no, she had to be manipulated to do this shit instead and devolve corpo hires into some sort of glorified FIFA Ultimate Team bullshit.

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>>55183715
Should've just stayed as Michael Cat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
How many muppets is she going to throw away?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55186862
Why would you hire indie va when you can hire big company.

[Anonymous No.]

She's getting shit numbers as Mike too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
ticking time bomb of mental illness, both streamer and fanbase

[Anonymous No.]

VShojo was doing absolutely nothing for her and she's the only one who can't speak English. She can even sort out merch herself, so there's absolutely no reason for her to bother with VShojo
Really, VShojo should be wondering where they went wrong. Besides their general incompetence

[Anonymous No.]

>>55187729
Her Mike numbers are still a lot better. The actual issue is that too large a percent of her fanbase are Hololive fans first and foremost.
If there's any type of big Hololive event, a bunch of her viewers leave to watch that instead. She needs to just start streaming a bit more consistently and start building up an actual core who won't just disappear and watch someone else as soon as they go live

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>>55187976
>>55188303

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>>55184279
>so they never did any more group things
what

[Anonymous No.]

It's honestly dissapointing how little VShojo cares about VShojoJP after that huge PR push at the beginning. Specially bad bc Nazuna actually has one of the best models out there

[Anonymous No.]

holodrones say talents over company but practice the opposite

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>>55183715
Nothing I still want to get her pregnant

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>>55189458
Never underestimate how lazy VShojo staff is. Gunrun is an absolute shit businessman who just lucked into getting Melody to work with him and she put together the group he's been leeching off of for the past 3 years. Where the fuck is Henya deskmat you fat piece of shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
1) Made some mistakes that could have been avoided if she just stopped and waited.
2) Got suckered into the "omg ex-Holos are going here!" by Kson, which just limited anything she wanted to do
3) got a rework of herself that looks like a previous life, complete with people in chat that can't let that life go and welcome the current one
I feel bad for her, as she had a good thing going but then fell victim to her own tendencies, and has struggled to reclaim her fame since then.

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>>55189458
VsJP is de facto managed by kson, and with Henya being essentially her nepotism hire (much like how Fubuki pulled it off for Mio in Gamers) the branch is very much on autopilot mode for the main management of Vshojo overall.

[Anonymous No.]

It’d be quicker to list the few things that went right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
serve mentally ill streamer and fanbase who isolate themselves, who cry in a corner and blame ever one else for their problems

[Anonymous No.]

>>55188746
Yep, her "fans" that refuse to watch her as Nazuna make me sick and I hope they end up with their testicles in the mouth of a very angry mother tiger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55184279
>company collapsed so they never did any more group things to include her and Kson.
That's not really the issue so much as she wasn't willing to participate in any group shit. Henya meanwhile hit it off with everyone and collabs with them on a weekly basis. Even with the language barrier some of the others still tried playing with Nazuna on occasion.
Also,
>Inconsistent streams. She needed to focus more on her streams as Nazuna if she wanted to maintain success
>Her occasional menhera vague posting to stir up shit and make her viewers feel bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>55190771
She got backed up with an actual live translator and a really good streaming setup.
...That's all I got.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
>>cant speak english and hasn't even attempted to learn.
>>joined an EN dominated company
>>Is a menhera and nobody really wants to talk to her
>>shit model.
>>puts zero effort into doing anything. She expects everyone to reach out to her. Even Henya and Kson would rather not collab with her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55190629
>VShojoJP members all have individual managers
>Aside from Mel, the EN members all seem to be managed by Panini
I think you're talking out of your ass anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55184279
Didn’t know she got a remodel, this looks horrible and unrecognizable as nazuna. Does she only use this version now?

[Anonymous No.]

Why does she refuse to collab with Henya? Henya's tried reaching out to her multiple times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55191829
Nazuna is mentality ill, please understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183957
Please learn what coerced means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55191829
Conversely why does Henya collab in 6 out of 10 streams

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>>55191716
probably she wants to seperate her vshojo persona with her personal persona.
btw, her personal persona is literally a copypaste of her previous self wtf:

[Anonymous No.]

>>55192567
Because she knows how to make friends and pull in new viewers unlike Mike

[Anonymous No.]

>>55192739
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein.

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>>55192739
this is actually hilarious and based

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>>55191829

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>>55192812
So she's relying on other people instead of her own abilities?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55191829
she hates zoomers

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>>55183715
Kson stuck her neck out for a friend. Unfortunately, Michael Cat is batshit insane and not even Kson can tard-wrangle her 24/7.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55191829
honestly I'd prefer she and her fans stay as far away from Henya as possible
all they need is each other

[Anonymous No.]

>>55193484
this

[Anonymous No.]

>>55191164
She talks frequently about learning English. Watch streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>55193484
Kson makes a lot of money from the connection
Look at how many of Kson's recent sponsors include Nazuna who, let's be frank, is the more popular of the two

[Anonymous No.]

She's incompatible with VShojo
The VShojo fans here absolutely despise the Fandead. That's why you'll see so many posts here implying that she should drop her core fanbase to pander to normalfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55194112
2 more weeks
trust the plan

[Anonymous No.]

>>55193227
Making friends is her ability. At least she has something and grows from it. Mike only has "I used to be Rushia" and it's not helping.

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>>55194112
>That's why you'll see so many posts here implying that she should drop her core fanbase to pander to normalfags.
Who says this? Even people that don't watch her should know that's retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55192514
???

coerced; coercing
transitive verb

1
: to compel to an act or choice

2
: to achieve by force or threat

3
: to restrain or dominate by force

[Anonymous No.]

>>55194757
Yes, there was no force or threat behind Nazuna joining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
She's mentally ill and won't take her meds. What do you think went wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55194362
Hence why her content is more about other people, gotcha

[Anonymous No.]

>>55193227
Henya's solo content is very good too and in collabs at least two people have to pull together, it's not relying on other people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55192567
Did you mean to type Zentreya? Henya has far more solo streams than collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
>Has two famous and active models
>Gets to stream on Twitch and Youtube via a loophole.
>Racks in cash
>Still a more active member than Hime

Bitch just hacked the system and you all thinks she has gone schizo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55195623
holy copium

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>>55183715
Listened to her nuclear waste tier toxic fanbase that were still holding a grudge over Mafu, but also wanted her to stabilize no matter what, even if it meant joining VShitshow

Kson forgot to mention the company was in the middle of an implosion when she joined. and also that they were going to bitch up a storm about exclusivity to Twitch only

[Anonymous No.]

>>55195806
You know you Doomposters are always wrong, and when called out you just end up clinging to every fallen acorn as proof the sky is falling. Its sad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55192955
>>55193080
you should watch her model reveal. the chat was making me laugh so much
>!?
>HUH
>まじかよ
>ん?
>これ著作権おーけなの
>( ﾟдﾟ)ﾎﾟｶｰﾝ
>long time no see
>wow... lol
are the first ones i could spot, but obviously people kept reacting the rest of the 3hr debut

[Anonymous No.]

>>55195119
Hence why Mike is alone and suffering

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
Streams on twitch but can't speak English. There seem to be a few Japanese chubas that can pull it off (Gura's mom Nachoneko, for instance), but Michael Cat isn't one of them. She's drawing at least twice as many viewers on YouTube at the moment, though YouTube has fewer mechanisms for extracting money from viewers so who knows what the relative payout is.

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>>55196400
Yeah man, making content off of others sure seems dandy

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>>55191716
>use this version *for* now
ftfy

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>>55195623
it really is the best case scenario for her considering the quagmire she was in after falling out with Hololive. the only limiting factor is herself (and it's a pretty large hurdle lol, because she is a RETARD don't forget), but she really has so much upward potential from where she is right now. can do whatever she wants as mike + gets lots of sponsorships, merch, con appearances on nazuna (really just kson stringing her along for free money atm).

[Anonymous No.]

>>55194112
>Meanwhile I'll refuse to watch Nazuna, even though I profess to love her and declare her my wife, even tho not watching her actively harms her, because I'm still stuck with Hololive's blue dorito up my ass

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>>55192739
holy shit, she brainwashed herself so hard that rushia's roommate is gone and replaced by rushia the character

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>>55195623
I mean, you're not wrong, the question is does SHE know she's hacking the system or is just letting her bipolar bullshit magically carry her somehow?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55197768
Rushia isn't a character

[Anonymous No.]

>>55196012
>listened to her fanbase
her fans didn't ask her to join vshojo or even join a corpo at all, and she had the joining process started only 2 or 3 months after her termination
>>55185555
>>55184793
>>55186862
>le unicorns are... le bad!
homobeggars opinions on streamers they don't watch mean fuck-all

[Anonymous No.]

>>55196791
Anon
She's basically given up as Nazuna. She hasn't streamed or even Tweeted in three weeks
She hadn't retweeted the Nendo at all. She's zoned out. All of the things she's talked about, her goals of growing, are Mikeneko. Nobody including her thinks VShojo or Nazuna is her future

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>>55197757
I do watch Nazuna and Mikeneko
Actually it's even funnier because the vsj thread her won't watch Mikeneko because she's on YouTube

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>>55198217
Why is it odd that the vsj thread doesn't watch someone not in vsj?

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>>55198217
She doesn't have a Japanese to English translator on Mikeneko.

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>>55198093
her role as Nazuna is absolutely noncommittal, and that's kind of my point. there's no obligation for her to really do anything for vshojo at any given time (someone drew the comparison with Hime earlier), which fits best for her considering she has two personas to work with. you're right that she hasn't been Nazuna'ing very much at all the past few weeks, and I'd even further that to say she's been pretty low effort with her for several months. but at any point, once (or if) she gains the mental wherewithal to actually stream consistently and participate as Nazuna, the seat is already warmed and she can just pick up where she left off.

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>>55193227
Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>this thread is mentality unwell

[Anonymous No.]

>>55196563
>She's drawing at least twice as many viewers on YouTube at the moment
No, she doesn't and the anon who pointed out bots was probably right after all.

>debuts a new popular model
>her views cut by more than half

[Anonymous No.]

>>55198093
Sanest /here/ enjoyer

[Anonymous No.]

I always regret clicking on these threads

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
Nothing went wrong, she worked for a year to gain some money and then bought the model she actually wanted, to stream on the platform she actually wants to use.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55199148
>bots
same dude also said her almost 5k CCV peak streams were not botted, and that's already double Nazunas usual numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>55192739
This is cute though, In unhinged mentally ill way.

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>>55199498
At the moment she's between 2-4k, pretty much the same as Nazuna.
If it's about CCV peaks then Nazuna also had streams where she got over 7k viewers, albeit with raids.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
Vshojo is a garbage company and Kson overpromised.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55192739
I do remember seeing this since it was everywhere in the catalog. Absolutely hilarious desu. I do wonder with this now if one day she will ditch nazuna entirely since now she’s finally “rushia” again.

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>>55183715
>fanbase needs a GWS pill and it's overdue by now
>streaming schedule is whatever (I get it, she still had many IRL issues to deal with when she just joined, but the schedule got even worse as time passed)
>game selection is so-so (Apex / Elden Ring / rare Minecraft streams / I think there was either RE2 or RE3 remake / there was like one Tsugunohi stream / other one-time streams; at the end there was a bunch of Only Up streams)
>language barrier means fuckall collabs (I think English members still tried to communicate with her but in 99% of cases it was just her doing stuff with kson, hell if I know why she ignored Henya)
>only 3 JP members in branch after more than a year and she's the only one out of three who can't speak English, so she sticks out like a sore thumb
Getting a proper weekly schedule (even game / activity selection could be whatever because, unlike on Youtube, she can swap streaming content on a whim) would be great for starters. Content streaming can be improved (I imagine there are less restrictions on games she can and can't play compared to Hololive) and if she really wants to learn English then make it a combination of 30-60 minutes learning English with chat followed by 1-2 hours of streaming some game. Collabs are a problem. though - dunno if she tried to reach out to some indie JP streamers. Well, and then there's the fanbase issue - doubt it can ever be fixed.

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>>55199835
What did Kson promise?

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>>55183715
She is a menhera who will probably make a huge drama arc soon or later, so why do people still watch her stream? Is it because they fetishize being depresion?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
not a mentally stable individual, was better off being indie but was coerced by a friend into joining a new corpo

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>>55184279
>forced to stream on Twitch where she can't appeal to Twitch ENs
Why is she forced to stream on Twitch when Kson streams on youtube just fine?
Was she stupid enough to sign an exclusivity deal with Twitch?

[Anonymous No.]

Question is, is she a fixable menhera?
(With thorough plapping resulting in impregnation, of course.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>55201885
is this some kind of bot?
The same post was made earlier.
>>55183957

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>>55202901
No not at all. Maybe with lots of therapy but she's a literal retard with a lot of issues

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>>55201014
Now say that in English

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>>55200568
Her gachikoi fans are fine
No need to bother trying to "fix" Nazuna when she's putting far more effort into Mikeneko now

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>>55200956
You think she would have joined had she known how the company really was?

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>>55198516
They literally keep a + in the title to justify talking about non VSJ streamers so you'd think the Nazuna watchers would switch over

[Anonymous No.]

>>55204845
Why don't you answer the question first?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55194460
I’ve seen it multiple times in /vsj+/

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
٩(ˊᗜˋ*)و

[Anonymous No.]

>>55199737
Nazuna hasn't hit 4k by herself in over half a year
Raids don't count

[Anonymous No.]

>>55205247
Why should raids not count? Because she doesn't get raids on youtube?

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>>55192955
Pretty sure she wants the same results rumao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55205351
because they all leave over the course of the following half hour

[Anonymous No.]

>>55206980
Nazuna is decent at keeping raiders.

[Anonymous No.]

>a JOP on
>an EN company on
>an EN platform
servers her right though

[Anonymous No.]

>>55205351
They aren't "her" fans so it's dishonest to use it to make claims about her viewership
Much like you don't count special streams like birthdays or anniversaries as normal CCV

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>>55184006
In addition to mention in any foreign language equivalent The English word Racism is mentioned not once in any book written prior to 1945, where it's first instances of use by Leon Trotsky are on record.
Racism is a Trotskyite mind game and Kosher deliberate inflammation.
Just like this picture of Silver with it's first recorded appearance in the archive used for cowing influencers low, so their audiences can be cowed low with a chilling effect.
Allowing posts like this to stay up ruins everything with minimal effort. You just need to keep their ball from them, every time. Any effort the commies make is always disarmed out of a weak hand by the selfless on here. Play for every last single marbles in the real world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55208477
Maybe I would agree if raids were rare but they are a very common occurrence on Twitch.

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>>55183805
Speaks purest 1776 I hear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55208648
Nazuna only received raids on an uncommon
It's disingenuous to use it to compare to YouTube. You're not comparing like with like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55208812 (me)
Uncommon basis

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>>55208648
>GFE vtuber
>half of her audience is random people
how do you suppose that'd even work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55207126
What? No she isn't, those numbers leak hard almost every time

[Anonymous No.]

>>55184279
>Boobs
>Ugly tummy, the previous one was much better
>Halo model from Blue Archive

[Anonymous No.]

>>55208812
How is that disingenuous? Ignoring that factor completely seems more cherrypicking than acknowledging that it happens.

>>55208922
new people see -> new people like -> new people are now fans.

>>55208997
Seems decent to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55209206
Two raids. Did her viewer average increase in the next few streams due to this or not?
They are literally not her fans. If I was streaming to 10 people and suddenlu got raided by Ironmouse, would people call me a 4view streamer? No
There's a reason /#/ doesn't bother measuring Twitch streams. You know this. You're arguing in bad faith to pretend Nazuna is doing better than she was

[Anonymous No.]

>>55209206
Can I count Mikeneko's 17k model debut stream? Or her 11k announcement stream the day after?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55209298
A lot of them stayed and watched the stream and it got her new followers too.
I don't know why you want to ignore that aspect completely.
I don't give a shit about /#/

>>55209371
Maybe follow the conversation first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55209206
>second raid
>roughly 75% of it gone in about an hour
anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55209636
Followers but not CCV
Followers are similar to YouTube's subscribers. Mikeneko has 870k subscribers. Nazuna has 280k Followers
Mikeneko has gained 35k subscribers in the last two weeks. How many followers did Nazuna gain in the last two weeks before she took her break?
You argue like a kid. Even a high school class wouldn't accept your logic

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>>55209708
That's why I said "decent" and not great.
She maintained the first raid very well. Not sure who raided her or what was happening towards the end, maybe she was wrapping up.

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>>55209636
>A lot of them stayed and watched the stream and it got her new followers too.
AFAI could tell, there wasn't ever any significant evidence of fanbase growth, even over the course of periods where she did stream consistently(like that one week where she streamed 5 or 6 days in a row or so)

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>>55197768
People laughed when I used to say that Ru-chan was going more and more parasocial with her chat and generally acting strange, that she was probably the one who was going full "batman" and actually believing she was the character, but nope
got called dumb and told to take my meds
now who is not taking her meds!

Mafumafu probably got the best fuck, crazy chicks are great in bed, just remember to pull out

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>>55209873
Even worse
Nazuna fans don't watch Mikeneko or join her fanbase, which is where the majority of her monetisation is. Mikeneko YouTube viewers have a much higher chance of joining her core
Nazuna was barely getting any donations too because people were donating to Mikeneko instead

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>>55209801
Just because you don't like the argument? You cannot even refute it, instead you move the goalpost to the next topic when you have no answer. Ad hominem is the true hallmark of a bad faith / childish argument so congratulations.

>>55209873
Sure but that doesn't contradict what I said. A gain in followers is a benefit but not everything.

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>>55209708
>>55209803
This is why it takes more to understand a ccv graph than just looking at the numbers and a line. A good portion of raiders _always_ almost immediately leaves if the streamer isn't someone they regularly watch or catches their interest in a couple minutes. That's the first drop. Second is because she literally went afk to cook. The third is shortly after she came back and announced she would be ending the stream. Takes you less 5 minutes to check and watch the parts of the stream.

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>>55202901
Anon, ever heard you don't dick crazy?
Well, that is a lie, you do dick crazy, but you don't marry crazy, you don't impregnate crazy, because crazy is fun to go out and have sex with, but crazy is not fun to start a family with, and crazy does not go away, she will always be crazy, always

[Anonymous No.]

>>55210408
(You) will never have a family nor get laid without having to pay for it.

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>>55210349
Thank you anon, that explains it well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
>being used as Kson's shield so she could join Vshojo without any backlash after saying company bad for a year

[Anonymous No.]

>>55210907
link to one time she says company bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>55210482
Nah, I will, and so you too anon
don't give up

[Anonymous No.]

>>55210947
Uhhh.. when Kson got fired from Hololive?
The streams where she shills Vshojo and keep saying it isn't a company?

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>>55212355
>Kson got fired from Hololive
Retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55212355
I swear to god you catalogniggers live in some alternate reality

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>>55183715
>What went wrong?
She didn't take off the shorts to show us that tight black thong she teases with those slutcore visible pantystraps.

[Anonymous No.]

>Vshojo
>Black company

[Anonymous No.]

Didn't Vsjojo say they were going to debut a gorillion JP talents this year? Not really on pace to do that, are they?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
kson

[Anonymous No.]

Nothing, I love her so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55213761
They need to debut 2 more to get the 5 wanted by the end of the year

[Anonymous No.]

>>55213761
If I remember correctly they wanted 5 talents at the end of the year. They still have plenty of...
Oh wow it's august already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>55213163
>>55213200
Kgumis spend a whole year gaslighting the entire board, claiming that Coco got fired because of her mentioning Taiwan and getting the banishment room treatment for half a year afterwards, while saying that Cover labeling chinks as moderators during one of her free talk streams was completely intentional.

So, who's the biggest liar?

[Anonymous No.]

>>55214527
(you)

[Anonymous No.]

>>55214527
Those are both true also learn English

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183805
It's sad, but that's exactly why she didn't succeed. I blame vhshojo, they're truly the worst. They should have hired a group of only Japanese speaking vtubers. Instead, they higher mostly bilingual chuubas who end up speaking mostly English. What's the point of having a JP branch if you're only going to English content.

[Anonymous No.]

people will blame twitch / vshojo but really it was her inconsistency and generally looking like she has no idea what she's doing that debuffed her
starting her brand new identity with erratic low effort apex streams really didn't help
henya on the other hand stuck to a consistent schedule from day 1 with a lot of variety and she's been doing great

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
too cute + no english
still love her tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
i remember some anon said she got into Vwhore to take a "revenge" or reclaim her throne or someshit
alas she failed

[Anonymous No.]

>>55200956
>le vtuber avenger

[Anonymous No.]

>>55183715
Chinese nationalist forces got pushed off of the mainland.

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>>55218105
>starting her brand new identity with erratic low effort apex streams really didn't help
A damn shame nobody will remember her kino RE8, Super Mario World, Megaman 2, and Pokémon playthroughs because twitch is shit for archive viewing, and EOP viewers can't be assed to watch JP streams. Never mind vshojo management being so shit she's pretty much given up on them.

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>>55194927
>to compel to an act or choice
your a fucking retard STFU

[Anonymous No.]

she cant go a month without starting some new drama and her fans are schizos who enable it and act like she never does anything wrong

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>>55220648
that also implies force or threat.

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>>55183715
mafumafu happened

[Anonymous No.]

>>55218105
She was genuinely trying for the first few months. You can see her enthuastism slowly dying at the start of the year and each month only caused more and more frustration to build up
The fact of the matter is that VShojo doesn't care about her. At all. When you realise your company doesn't care about you and you have a perfectly good indie account to use, why wouldn't you use the indie. Now that she's started streaming games regularly as Mikeneko, you can see the huge difference in her mentality.
Mario Kart viewer participation stream tomorrow. Scheduled in advance, unlike pretty much all of Nazuna's streams for the last half a year or so

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>>55221779
99.999999% of companies dont care about you, she is never going to have what she had and threw away to chase the faggiest looking twink I've ever seen

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>>55221779
>The fact of the matter is that VShojo doesn't care about her.
Nazuna's enthusiasm was dying down because some fans did not and still do not accept her persona.

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>>55222459
That is not the reason as her motivation on Mikeneko never dipped as low as it did for Nazuna. I assume you don't watch both Mikeneko and Nazuna

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>>55222459
correct - nazuna wears a whores uniform as is common in vshojo for a shitty american black company - ill never watch that channel. I couldnt be happier that she has the appearance back that fits her best on mikecat

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>>55222618
Because Mikeneko doesn't have the same problem.
see >>55222681
Some people will just reject any effort of hers regardless while she's in Vshojo because of their heavy bias.

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>>55222982
I've watched and donated every single stream, Nazuna or otherwise, but I've never hesitated in letting her know I hate that shitty whore company when she has asked me my opinion. Why would I want someone I care about to be abused by that shitheap of a company? The difference in her mood since she returned to YouTube has been night and day.

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>>55222982
That bias basically only exists in the EN world. The bulk of her viewers are JP, who went into VShojo with open eyes. If anything, being stuck to Twitch caused more issues than VShojo's horrible brand image. But no, that's not the reason why she burned out on Nazuna. And you'd know this if you watched Mikeneko too, but you'd rather push your own agenda so you're pretending this is the reason

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>>55183715
VSluts forcing her to be a twitch streamer

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>>55223688
It's not an agenda when it can be observed easily.
>If anything, being stuck to Twitch caused more issues than VShojo's horrible brand image.
How so? It's basically the same issue as the one I mentioned already, except with a bias against Twitch instead of one against Vshojo. Clearly visible again when Mikeneko dared to stream on twitch.

>>55223669
There's no issue with that as long as you understand that your perspective is heavily biased.

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>>55202667
Kson stated she has a better contract than anyone else in VShojo.
Obviously the staff manipulated Nazuna into believing they can get a JP market onto Twitch when Twitch itself focuses primarily on it's english streamers.

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>>55224611
>Kson stated she has a better contract than anyone else in VShojo.
No, she didn't.
>Obviously the staff manipulated Nazuna
rrat

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>>55224426
>It's not an agenda when it can be observed easily.
In the EN sphere. However she is a Japanese streamer. The majority of her fans, the majority of discourse about her, the majority of the public's opinion on her is in the JP realm. No, just because the EN sphere doesn't like VShojo, that does not explain why she burned out on VShojo. Having no JOPs in the company burned her out far more than just "people on 4chan calling the company whores" or whatever dumb narrative you're trying to push
Your point about Twitch is at least more logical because it targets the fact that the JP side doesn't care much about Twitch. But again, not why she burned out. But you don't watch Mikeneko so you don't actually care about her feelings
>Clearly visible again when Mikeneko dared to stream on twitch.
I remember you making this dumb argument before and it's retarded. I have no idea what's wrong with you or the other VShojo fans who like arguing on this website, but I've never seen you people concede ground on any issue you've decided is your gospel so I probably won't reply to you again since I know you're not going to admit that you don't watch Mikeneko.

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>>55224877
>Kson stated she has a better contract than anyone else in VShojo.
NTA, but she did imply that her contract was better than whatever contract Vei showed her. At the very least, she implied that contract was bad, whereas she said her own contract was good, so read between the lines.
Does she have a better contract than Nazuna? No hard proof, but it wouldn't surprise me. I've seen VShojo play favourites before, like what happened with the Rust server, so I wouldn't put it past them.

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What happened? I only watch her clips because I refuse to use Tw*tch.

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>>55224877
Need to stay off that copium anoon

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My final post here will be this: don't listen to the VShojo fans when they try to talk about Nazuna. The majority don't know Japanese and nearly all of them refuse to watch Mikeneko. In other words, they're operating on a far more limited set of information than the actual Fandead who watch all of her content. Because they don't watch all of their content, they just use her to push whatever rrats or narratives that suit them because they love to argue with people online even if their information is heavily limited. Tribalfagging at its extreme.

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>>55224611
But why would the corpo handicap its talent instead of trying to maximise profit?

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>>55225396
Incompetence and thinking playing the long game is a smart decision.
It's like if Nijisanji made all their chinese vtubers stream on Youtube.
In the end, the audience will just go to the platform they find most comfortable.

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>>55225070
>but she did imply that her contract was better than whatever contract Vei showed her. At the very least, she implied that contract was bad, whereas she said her own contract was good, so read between the lines.
She said it was different and that hers improved. That doesn't mean her contract was better, the best or that Vei's contract was bad.

>>55224975
You know fully well that Mikeneko cares a lot about her oversee viewers and there are quite a few outspoken ones who can write japanese and voice their concerns. For example:
>>55223669
I don't know what narrative you think I'm trying to forge here, I'm simply observing the reality of the matter from my point of view, which of course, is also biased by what I see and hear but so is everybody to some degree.

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>>55224426
My perspective is based upon reality, no matter how much it pains vsj. The company you spend so much time defending is objectively garbage. Your jp branch isn't even a real jp branch and has made no headway there after an entire year. Listening to Mike sound absolutely crushed and defeated when talking about the shit they've put her through told me all I need to know.

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>>55225880
>You know fully well that Mikeneko cares a lot about her oversee viewers and there are quite a few outspoken ones who can write japanese and voice their concerns
I keep tabs on her biggest overseas fans. I've never seen any of the big overseas regulars shittalk VShojo in public. Again, you're writing this dumb narrative that implies that Mikeneko has either a neutral or positive opinion on VShojo that was somehow corrupted by people around her rather than her realising herself that she's in a deadend branch as the only JOP with a company that doesn't support her or get her game sponsorships
She'd rather trust her faith in a small Voice Acting VTuber agency than the multi million dollar VShojo. Do you think that's due to us? God no, it's because she has no faith in VShojo.

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>>55226142
>I keep tabs on her biggest overseas fans.
fuck off back to discord, SEAfag

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>>55225980
>My perspective is based upon reality
That's an oxymoron because reality cannot be subjectively observed.

>>55226142
There was literally an anon ITT that admitted to do just that. But I guess that doesn't count for you?

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>>55226142
>I've never seen any of the big overseas regulars shittalk VShojo in public
The legendary one and only did

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>>55226719
Water is objectively wet and vshojo is objectively shit.

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>>55226719
>There was literally an anon ITT that admitted to do just that. But I guess that doesn't count for you?
The proof is a 4chan post. I don't count that unless he provides proof that he did it publicly because this is a website where anyone can claim anything
For all I know, that's you falseflagging. You can say it's not, but that's the level of substance of a 4chan post. And you're still dancing around the issue that her dissatisfaction with VShojo isn't being caused by one or two autists criticising the company.
>>55226740
He only did it after she made it clear she was dissatisfied with VShojo.

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>>55226974
>vshojo is objectively shit.
No, that's relative.

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>>55183715
Brain short circuit

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I sure hope the VShojofags writing paragraphs in here about how people won't support Nazuna are going to put their money where their mouth is and support Mikeneko/Ria

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>>55192955
well she can't exactly breach NDA with herself... can she?

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>>55227259
I'm not dancing around that issue because I simply have no opinion on it beyond thinking it's stupid to say that Vshojo did absolutely nothing for her or worse.
Certainly there are things she was dissatisfied about but you cannot tell me there was nothing good at all about it, that she hated every minute of being associated with them and that she didn't quit when she had the chance.
And in some aspects she may have held expectations for Vshojo that were simply strange to say the least, like trying to get them to sue antis on 4chan.

>He only did it after she made it clear she was dissatisfied with VShojo.
So when was that? Because that's most of what I've been observing so far.

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>>55227740
>Certainly there are things she was dissatisfied about but you cannot tell me there was nothing good at all about it, that she hated every minute of being associated with them and that she didn't quit when she had the chance.
I'm not claiming so extreme a position. Her first complaining stream about VShojo was the Void Angel stream in September. Unsurprisingly, that was the first Nazuna VOD that wasn't kept up.
After that, the next signs of dissatisfaction came around February, when she took a three week hiatus before Nazuna's brithday. This was around the time she stopped retweeting merch for months, including her own birthday merch. She didn't even bother to retweet her new outfit announcement until less than a day before the stream.
After that, I'd say May was another height of dissatisfaction. I heard even Kson couldn't get a hold of her at this point.
And finally, she didn't celebrate Nazuna's debut date at all, even though that's pretty much one of the biggest days you celebrate as a Vtuber, besides "your" birthday. Instead, she didn't Tweet at all and announced her new Mikeneko model the next day. She hasn't streamed or even tweeted on Nazuna for the last three weeks. Her most recent collab with Kson was on Mikeneko instead of Nazuna.
Honestly, besides maybe another Tamaki collab, I don't know what she'll do with Nazuna. At the very least, she hasn't indicated any real intention to stream again, but I suppose we'll wait and see? It has been three weeks without any word from Nazuna though

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>>55228090
Most of that seems difficult to directly link to satisfactions regarding Vshojo on the basis of her illness or it could have been simply other circumstances.
I'd be curious to know about what she complain about in the Void Angel stream though?