/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

How does NijiEN management save their branch before everyone just fucking quits which I'm surprised didn't happen immediately when they cancelled AR live last second.?
Serious question.
If HoloEN's branch can have "multiple big improvements" behind the scenes, what's stopping NijiEN management from getting their shit together too. The streamers aren't having any issues and are doing what they're supposed to do, but management STILL keeps ruining everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54934683
More events to motivate the fans and a tighter leash preventing them from doing anything controversial.

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>>54934683
Nijisanji has been trying really hard to copy Hololive. Unfortunately, you may copy the style but the performers are just not on par with the Holos.

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>>54935230
It's not even about their "quality"
It's about NijiEN not being a place that a Vtuber can comfortably grow
If you put the average NijiEN girl in Hololive's environment I think they'd probably turn out pretty nicely. Anycolor just actively makes things worse for their talents to the point where people like Pomu and Selen, widely considered pretty good/Holo material, are burnt out, bitter, and miserable 2 years later.

[Anonymous No.]

Check this out

[Anonymous No.]

How about anycolor pay them, give them a better cut of merch sales and stop cancelling their events after they all go to japan and do their acts.

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>>54934683
I'm celebrating each day we get closer to that black company leaving the EN market. I blame Enna and Kyo for ruining everything for them. Feels great to be a Holochad.

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>>54935672
Mind moving the camera down

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>>54934683
luxiem is already fractured. the branch can't be saved at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54934683
>Hire more competent tardwranglers
>Make better rules
>Don't let male(s) barge in in female only collab. I'm fine with male female collab as long it's clearly written so I can watch them with that expectation. I don't want my comfy night listening to CGDCT interrupted with some dude's voice.
>Make a character lore. I know some people said that lore isn't that important. But it still helps with the kayfabe. Even VOM members have lore
Oh and also:
Fire Kyo

[Anonymous No.]

>>54935968
They arent leaving the only other market in which they were so succesful. At least not willingly.

The most that will happen is downsizing of operations and slashing budgets which will lead to unhappy livers and graduations and so ...

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>>54935672
Nice

What was OP talking about again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54935672
Headcanon that a lot of Vtubers who graduated either became a housewife or working in prostitution.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54936253
I would but last time I posted dragon booba I caught a warning even though there wasnt even any nips

[Anonymous No.]

Talents seem to have to rely on each other just to find motivation. When they're going through tough shit they dont have a manger to lend an ear.
They need to double the amount of managers they have. (Even if they did that, they would still have a smaller manager:talent ratio than holo, which has triple compared to nijisanji)

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>>54936279
well they fired the best en member after 1 month over bullshit baby reasons since the branch management is full of retards who don't know how to handle a professional gatcha player.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54934683
The fact that there's an unironic leaker, and they're posting garbage here, assuming it's not a talent, then I say:
>Literally surprise investigate every single EN staff memember and fire the ones fucking shit up
>Hire competent ones
>Stop favoring the JP branch this will literally NEVER happen btw. It should, but it won't happen. It would probably save the EN branch completely if they were treated equally, but they won't do this, because Japs are fucking retarded
>???
Profit!
Oh yea and screen new talents BETTER. The scouting team is fucking moronic. Half of the new wave fucking fucked off before debut. That says something is extremely wrong with the scouting team.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54934683
they should have never made an EN branch to begin with.
the branch is shit, the management is shit, the fans that it brought are also shit. they need to stop debuting EN waves and once everyone that's already there graduates the branch needs to be shut down permanently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54936594
Lmao no one wants your whore anon, not even the other talents. And no one even watches her now so not even fans want her. Keep seething

[Anonymous No.]

>>54934683
Ask this question in one of the hololive threads, that's where everyone who still gives a shit about NijiEN is right now.

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>>54935230
>Nijisanji has been trying really hard to copy Hololive.
Other way around, hololive has done nothing but copy nijisanji and stumbled ass backwards into success

[Anonymous No.]

>>54935672
Fat dragon milkers

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>>54934683
Anykara comes out and does a corporate pledge that acknowledges missteps in managing NijiEN and pledge to do better going forward. This is to try to wipe the PR slate clean for the vtubing-watching audience so they'll give NijiEN a chance again, and then build from there.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>54936897
This isn't 2019 anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54936418
>a lot
I can't think of a single fucking one.
Every vtuber that openly had kids is either still working or on hiatus.

And 0 vtubers have gone into AV post vtuber career... they just become AVtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

Hire managers that can actually do their jobs properly and help their livers instead of ghosting them and only blocking projects like morons that only leads to frustration with livers.

rise the cut the livers get even if its a insignificant to raise morale.

encourage (not force) small and big projects or collabs that can help more than one group of livevers.

actually do something with the en channel to promote livers, other than old clips

Idk invest money in the only other branch that did not fail catasthrophically.

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>>54934683
first step find the leaker

[Anonymous No.]

>>54937779
this

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[Anonymous No.]

>>54937779
This, and promote him

[Anonymous No.]

I don’t think you can. As one of a few bitter Lazusydia fans, the branch just has cemented itself as a place for normalfags and horny Asian women to lust over male talents. Half of the talents aren’t the same likeable rookies going into it that they are now, a few changed for the worst.
None of this is helped by the fact that management hasn’t evolved with the growing demands of the branch, despite the larger talent pool and fanbase. Until management gets their act together or enough change is done, we won’t see any positive changes

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>>54935672

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>>54934683
They're too used to raking in boatloads of cash from Chinese sisters while doing fuckall

[Anonymous No.]

>>54936689
So true sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>54934683
Stricter contracts and NCA so they can't leave as easily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54939233
Lower the merch cut to 1% while we're at it

[Anonymous No.]

>>54934683
Give them 3%

[Anonymous No.]

>>54937333
Even in 2021-2023
>niji has big 3d event planned
>Holo immediately announced big 3d event
>Niji hosts 3d lazulight
>Holo hosts 3d myth
>Niji announced males
>holo immediately announces males

Overall tho to answer
>>54934683
Things have unironically been going in a good direction lately with more concerts, conventions, sponsors and stuff allegedly happening behind the scenes. There's definitely a need for more managers but it's not like they're not trying. Truthfully speaking not that many bi lingual people want to be tard wranglers.

If all goes according to plan we'll see NijiFes this December and hopefully some other stuff as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54939705
>That fucking retarded list
THEY ARE VTUBER AGENCIES
EVERYONE DOES THAT SHIT
The ONLY thing you could possible say is the males but new Gens are though up a year in advance, not 9 hours. Them deciding to announce them that soon BECAUSE of Niji is a whole different question, but they didn't do it just because they did that soon

[Anonymous No.]

Give a 50% rise on the merch cut's percentage for new applicants and the old guard to boost morale, that way they get 3% from the merch instead of 2%

[Anonymous No.]

The fact they haven't made any kind of big PR statement recognizing the fuckups and intent to at least pay their fucking talents more tells me they don't care about improving. They're gonna keep doing the bare minimum to drag whatever pennies they can out of EN before things get so bad they just fold them back up into JP. Then half the EN talents have to leave because their entire branch will have one manager that doesn't even speak English.

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>>54936897
>Other way around, hololive has done nothing but copy nijisanji and stumbled ass backwards into success
Where is Nijisanji's studio that this copied?
https://cover-corp.com/en/news/detail/20230511-03

[Anonymous No.]

>>54934683
with how haphazardly they shotgunned out gen after gen without any build up or support, anycolor have set up a company culture of sink or swim/every man for themselves. with dogshit salaries and massive cuts to their merch sales, livers who SHOULD be working together by default end up seeing each other as immediate competition because how the fuck else are they going to get paid?

>>54936600
> screen new talents BETTER
this too but there also needs to be something said about how ridiculous they are with their lack of support. you look at HoloEN Gen 3, and not only was the gen hyped up sufficiently into the lead up to the debut, but their debuts were planned and scheduled for maximum exposure with coordination from other members. think about it, they fell on the same weekend that the much anticipated Hololive Summer 2023 event was to begin, and when they went live, the other girls paused their streams, or redirected to their debuts, or simply turned their stream into a react of the debut. the result was each debut saw viewership in the 100k. will they maintain those numbers in the coming months? obviously not. but hololive was smart enough to recognize that coordinating their efforts gives the girls a much stronger headstart than they otherwise would have.

if anycolor did it, they would have shotgunned the new gen out altogether in the span of an hour or 2

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>>54935633
>widely considered pretty good/Holo material

[Anonymous No.]

>>54939887
M8 half of the list took place literally one after another.
Once is a coincidence 3 times is pushing the boundaries of coincidence.

Especially when you take into account that myth had 3d for literally 2 years before they had their "debuts" coincidentally right after lazulight got theirs.
Even twitterfags were like
>Why are we holding a 3d debut now when the country has been open for months and they've had 3d for two years?
>>54940897
Actually anycolor had a pretty sizable studio built last year as well iirc
It's not on that scale but that kinda seems like a blessing since it seems like cover doesn't actually have the staff to operate their massive studio. But of course, the studio wasn't solely built for chuubas either. It was built so Japanese game devs and movie devs would have another place in Japan to rent out, which is definitely cool but doesn't really benefit the chuubas themselves so much as the company.

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>>54939705
I have never read something more retarded then this, and that's saying something about this cesspool of assholes and spergers.

[Anonymous No.]

There's no saving them after they invited chink fujos over
Let them burn and crash

[Anonymous No.]

I hate that all the money people threw at Niji/Luxiem just seems to disappear into a black hole / yacht/ get thrown at big retarded JP events that I'll never be able to watch. If you give money to a Holo girl you're almost guaranteed that a lot of it's going right back to the talents to nurture them further. And the people in /nijiEN/ cope with that by remarking that Lazulight got a concert for 100 people in Kuala Lumpur or that the entire branch has 50 dollar/minute meet and greets in Commiefornia
The Luxiem sisters may as well have lit their yuan on fire for all the good it did the boys.

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>>54934683
I hope Selen graduates, Rosemi graduates, and they join EN4 with Nina just to see Enna seethe.

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>>54941032
Adding onto this, the first time the new livers appear on twitter, they unironically need to make good tweets and be interesting.
I understand predebut tweets are cringe, but people are SICK (and reasonably so) of
>HEHE I'M A BOTTOM xD
type shit. Even Mysta spoke shit on those types of tweets at debut.
No one likes it. Sex does sell until it gets played out and it doesn't anymore

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>>54941108
Pomu/Rosemi/Elira/Selen definitely, Finana (if she didn't fuck up multiple times and get addicted to gacha games she'd basically be Niji's mirror version of Bijou) and Petra to a lesser extent though Petra's a huge Nijisanji fan

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>>54941455
Come back to reality retardchama

[Anonymous No.]

>>54941552
They've mentioned that management encouraged them to do a lot of that too

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>>54941552
Isn't Mysta the one who started that shit? I know he bitched about people still seeing him that way and that was one of the reasons he was leaving, but I mean, when you pioneer the fucking style and it spreads to every other member of your branch I really don't think you should be surprised people fixate on it.

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>>54936600
>Be even more draconian
Kek the reason talents go rogue and new talents fuck off before debut is because being in NijiEN totally isn't worth it anymore after Luxiem's numbers collapsed and took most of the branch with them. No scouting will change the fact that right now it's better to stay indie than join NijiEN if you're a 3 view because joining NijiEN doesn't even guarantee you'll have viewers and.a stable income anymore.
I don't think you can fix NijiEN anymore. The damage has been done.
Management will keep shitting out a few new waves hoping they get another Vox/Kuzuha to revive the branch and will fail. Then they'll "merge" the branch so they can cut costs and fire management and ignore them.

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>>54940765
That statement was that Riku gave out was really damning and just shows that he hasn’t changed at all, which should be a red flag for any fans still trying to give the company a chance.
>Talents leaving? Oh well, we didn’t predict this but we won’t do a thing to change their mind or win them back either. We MADE them what they are but they just want to move on from vtubing.

In fact it should be a warning call for any potential hires, you are ultimately disposable compared to the only other big vtubing company. You may as well be an indie on Twitch and rely on raids.

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>>54941994
> if you're a 3 view because joining NijiEN doesn't even guarantee you'll have viewers and.a stable income anymore.
Niji needs to stop using #s as the bar when scouting and look for actual talent. Clearly just picking normies with numbers isn't fucking working

[Anonymous No.]

>>54939930
they need wages. they're not being paid at all, most if not all of NijiEN still have day jobs,

[Anonymous No.]

>>54941913
>Anon doesn't understand the concept of growing and changing as a person

[Anonymous No.]

>>54942201
the voices in your head are screaming loudly

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>>54934683
i think the holo idea of isolating new hires for a month and letting them build their own fanbase is the best idea to grow them. Niji hobbled itself by making every new group dlc to the already existing members with existing fanbases. They're not growing new people they're just funneling the audience back into the already popular talents with endless collabs.

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>>54938588
i used to be like you, so i salute you staying on that doomed ship

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>>54941455
funny thing is that aside from selen, this very well could happen and would be the thing to make Enna seethe to the point where she starts raiding here

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>>54941552
>HEHE I'M A BOTTOM xD
but the last time anybody did that at debut was over a year ago. xsoliel and krisis didn't do that

[Anonymous No.]

>>54942201
like 2 or 3 people? and one of them doesn't even get paid for their day job

[Anonymous No.]

>>54936285
>Spoiler
This. That faggot is a snake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54943358
>but the last time anybody did that at debut was over a year ago
The vanta dude (most recent liver)'s first tweet was
>I'm really into bondage
his next tweet was
>I MEANT BANDAGE
and everyone shit on him for it.

So no, you're just lying, and I didn't mean "bottom" jokes specifically, I clearly meant sex jokes in general

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>>54941384

Seconded.

If it was just dropping everything else just to focus on males, become VTuber BTS and go all in for the horny women cash, that would be one thing. It would massivelly piss off /vt/, but whatever.

But all that money that went into Luxiem seems to have gone entirely to Riku's yacht and investor parasites, and the branch just never recovered from riding the talents hard for the AR Live just to cancel it.

Meanwhile, you can see how the money on Hololive or smaller agencies that aren't shitholes get reinvested *on the talents* and everybody thrives from it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54943876
you didn't even get the right person retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>54942201
What a retarded idea, how will riku fund his yacht if he has to pay wages? Uh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54944150
I don't watch them clearly dumbfuck. But don't try to avoid the point of what happened.
They still do these shitty sex jokes that no one likes. Its old and is killing them predebut

[Anonymous No.]

>>54942375
Then he should've disavowed the sisters creaming themselves over imagining Vox plowing him instead of just timidly asking them to stop. Like a bottom bitch. Oh, I wonder why they didn't stop? What a fuckin mystery. Now he's running off to presumably start again without the stigma instead.

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>>54944338
i'd take you more serious if you knew what you were talking about. but you just sound like a retard parroting other people's opinions

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>>54944046
>reddit spacing
>/#/rrats
>"y-yeah that'll fool em"

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>>54944539
anon..that anon is not parroting other ppl opinions
in fact, you knew that too at this point nijien is widely known for their haha funny sex jokes
i admit the first time they did that i found it funny too,but now? man its getting old

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>>54944539
In fairness, there's so many Niji ENs that I honestly don't blame him anymore got mixing them all up. It doesn't help either that the names don't really stick, or aren't memorable outside of a guy actually calling himself "Bandage".
I'd say his point still stands too, it seems that people really are catching on to this kind of pandering. Moreso to certain talents that attempt to pander to the Chinese by promising to do a rare stream on Bilibili, even they know that they mostly do it for the money.

>>54944550
The money really hasn't gone to support the branch, and it shows. Only Lazulight has 3D with Obsydia/Ethyria's being MIA. It's nearly been a year and Iluna still hasn't gotten new outfits yet. And knowing Niji, they still us it as a bragging point that one manager watches over an entire wave. In fact I think there's even an official article about it on Anycolor's own website in English.


https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/news/29-lmr7-o1
>S.O.Although the workload is somewhat heavy since one manager is in charge of multiple Livers, I have the impression that everyone is coordinating their work well. As a leader of managers, I am constantly working to improve the workload for this assignment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54937779
Plot twist: It's half of the Livers and employees

[Anonymous No.]

>>54939705
>List pretty much basic thing corpo do
What next? You want Niji to copyright those idea too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54946468
I really wouldn’t be surprised if that were true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54941349
>Building a building is now Nijisanji exclusive idea
Zhang hand wrote this

[Anonymous No.]

>>54941667
>Encourage
I suspect they wrote this in their guideline
>2. Thou must coombait

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>>54942025
Yeah, I'm surprised that Nijisisters trying to ignore this This came out from the gator's mouth himself. It's amazing how they willingly accept that Riku treat their oshi like shit.

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>>54944539
You know why mant people mixing them up anon?
Because their designs are bland af and samey.
Even the original Tempus, even with many detractors, they all agree that Tempus designs are surprisingly diverse

[Anonymous No.]

>>54934683
They would be happy with 2%, if that money was actually used to support them. Look how much Cover put in for EN3's debut. No comparison

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>>54939705
>niji pay 2%
>holo pay 50%
>niji graduates
>holo debuts
>niji CEO blame livers for their own graduations
>holo CEO defend paying talents high salary
??? it doesn't fit your narrative

[Anonymous No.]

>>54946468
I mean probably

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>>54937779
Most of it was Zaion blowing the lid off the black company blanket with her twitlonger.
Exposed shit pay
shit merch cuts
Anycolor keeping the silver, gold and platinum (if any) play buttons.
The fact Management only gives each wave a rookie manager who can't do shit, doesn't know shit and is JP corpo slave, so the second they do something wrong the manager runs to upper managers to save their ass.
Or that Anycolor will cancel en events for nonsense moronic reasons while letting JP events go on without an eye bat.
She opened a flood game

[Anonymous No.]

>>54948871
Thats not what he's talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>54948539
Holo doesn't pay 50% kson literally confirmed on stream that she was referring to her vsj contracts that got redone after all the big talents left.
Fauna and Axel have both confirmed that they get under 35% for most merch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54949196
give me source on Fauna and Axel, even true, it is still 35% vs 2%, what is your point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54948871
The problem is a lot of Japanese corpo are like this
They don't do merit based promotion. Still relying on Seniority system.
This is why when you watch NHK Technology shows, Innovations always came from small companies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54949196
Show us clip or timestamp for proof.
So far I remember Holo gave 40%

[Anonymous No.]

>>54949398
his point was correcting you on the absurd 50%
no company would give this much unless the talent pay for half the production

[Anonymous No.]

>>54946765
No? But I am saying that technically the idea of expanding into a new larger studio was something anycolor already did last year.
>>54946634
And I don't disagree that they're all standard kinda but again it's the timing. When anycolor does literally anything big, cover immediately announces a counter event featuring them instead.
When luxiem was found out to be a success in the west, cover immediately put an emphasis on looking for males, going as far as to make 2 gens of all males.
When lazulight recorded a 3d announcement/debut, cover immediately got together myth to perform a 3d debut even though myth had literally had their 3d models out on stream and had even performed with them in other events but very suddenly myth absolutely just had to have a 3d debut.

If I'm being honest I think a lot of those choices were omega but literally the timing is everything.

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>>54949576
https://streamable.com/0nwjfv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDgXWNDoIj4&t=1153s

Axel says merch is worse than superchats which are worse than voice packs.
Birthday merch being the exception, most generic merch goes for less than a superchat.

Now. We also know that generic merch in nijisanji is where the 2% figure comes from but we have no idea what anniversary merch is worth or special event merch is worth. In hololive the same thing seems to be true, not percentage wise because we don't know what the generic merch percentage is but what we do know is that based on evidence, it's lower than that of a superchat. Certainly not 50% or even 40% since yt cuts are 30/35/35

[Anonymous No.]

>>54950026
The Myth 3ddebut was because their 3d debut was eaten by the pandemic and major events. Calli mentioned that they were going to have a 3d relay but extraneous events pushed it back till all 5 could be together in the Cover 3d studio.

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>>54935633
>If you put the average NijiEN girl in Hololive's environment I think they'd probably turn out pretty nicely.
Absolutely no one in the Iluna/Xsolei group would last a week in Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>54952300
Maria and Scarle probably would.
Scarle just wants to be left alone and coombait, she'd be like EN choco.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54952140
Ehhhh I don't buy it. There were literally several months that Japan was opened up and it's not like myth are the busiest of people. The timing was reeeeeallllly coincidental. To the point where I really don't buy that it wasn't them following the same trend.
It's not necessarily a diss against cover because obviously they're still insanely popular but that's just the pattern that's been going on
>Anycolor announces something
>Cover immediately counters

It's just how business goes and props to cover for managing to pull off events where anycolor didnt

[Anonymous No.]

i find it funny how you all really think nijien will all graduate. theres zero chance of an exodus like ID. I only will be worried about this branch if like 10 graduate, and so far only two quit for their own volition

[Anonymous No.]

>>54952791
Humans are by nature pattern seekers, it's how our primitive brains recognize danger, food or safe places.
tl;dr
Your monkey brain is turning you into a tinfoil hat.

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>>54953427
Maybe but on the same hand idk man, 3-4 times in a row of anycolor doing/announcing something to get a cover announcement within a week or so of them doing the exact same thing? I'm not much for coincidence, especially not 3 times in a row.

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>>54950888
They probably also don't have to pay part of the cost for the generic merch and they're probably also paid for the main channel appearances if those are related to the merch, such as the summer stuff right now.

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>>54952791
Anon, they can't just announce shit and have it ready in a short time.
When they announced it, chances are its already 80%~ ready and they're putting on the finishing touches.
By the time debut announcements happen the talents have been hired for months already. Hell, we know half of Tempus 2 were hired together in the first wave alongside Tempus 1.

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>>54936600
>Implying Niji would pay managers enough wages to care
>implying scouting managers are paid enough to really go in depth for each application
>implying there are project managers and everything isn't dumped on talents to manage

[Anonymous No.]

>>54955222
Knowing the way that company works and just how dense their branches are I bet the scouts and managers are paid by the head. Especially the scouts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54934683
Terminate Enna, Kyo and Uki
Filter the SJW sisters

[Anonymous No.]

>>54950888
>Two videos
>Both never mention percentage number
This is not a proof anon. It only shows that they still get better shares in profit compared to Niji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54959715
If merch is worse than superchats it's not even 35% you absolute dumbass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54960695
She said the birthday merch is better.
Most merchs are from birthday event you dum dum

[Anonymous No.]

It can't be saved. NijiEN as a business has long left the star phase, and it's now a mere cash cow, meant to be milked to death.

If anything, cost cutting and mass firing should be even more severe to maximize profits before all revenue dry up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54936600
>>Hire competent ones
Sorry but you are getting a 2 week fresh recruit that will do his best to fuck your career up

[Anonymous No.]

>>54955222
>Implying Niji would pay managers enough wages to care
funny fact anycolor pays a higher wage than cover

[Anonymous No.]

>>54963910
and they pay exactly 0 to the livers

[Anonymous No.]

>>54964411
you probably think thats some epic comeback but its kind of sad when someone is posting actual data to have to rely on a complete fantasy to try "own" them

[Anonymous No.]

>>54964839
2%
Debut = debt + u

[Anonymous No.]

>>54964839
That is a embarrassing post sister you can do better than that. Get your head out of Rikus asshole for a second and breathe some fresh air for once in your life

[Anonymous No.]

>>54963910
>Niji numbers don't include livers
>Fewer employees + more talent = clearly understaffed
>More money goes to management
Quite the self own there sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>54965639
None of those numbers include the members. That is just the staff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54965314
What is the point you are trying to make here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54965765
Yes I know, that still makes Niji look bad, what's your point

[Anonymous No.]

>>54965982
What part of that makes Niji look bad? They pay their staff members on average better than their competitors. That's a good thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54965956
You wanted actual data anon
2% cut from merch
Talents incur debut costs with little to no help from Niji

[Anonymous No.]

>>54966129
I like how he intentionally ignores how the talents are not paid at all
Its like watching a schizophrenic in real time

[Anonymous No.]

>>54966220
But why ignore the rest of the actual data and only talk aboiut what they get the worst percentage on? We know for a fact they get 50% of voicepacks and streamlabs donations, the fact that they get 50% of streamlabs implies they likely get 50% of youtube donations after the youtube cut because its no different its just donations.

[Anonymous No.]

If you want to fix NijiEN an easy thing you can do is cut the head off the clique snake and fire Kyo and Enna.

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>>54966129
They pay their staff better instead of reinvesting profits into helping their talents, whether it's 3d, new models, better merch, bigger events, support system, etc. This is only a good thing if your oshi is the company itself/Riku

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>>54966556
The best way to describe them is some form of cancer. Even if you were to cut them off, the disease has long spread towards the rest of the body. It can't be cured.

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>>54966743
Seems like you are just inventing a fantasy there? Anycolor bought a 2nd new 3d studio before Cover did, this years Nijifes is quite literally the biggest event they ever did.

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>>54966556
Too late for that. The entire branch is rotten now

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>>54967094
Explain why NijiEN morale is so low then, and why Holo is thriving?

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>>54966314
The thing is I know the talents are paid. You guys just ignore everything that isn't your 2% meme.
https://twitter.com/ANYCOLOR_Inc/status/1264755181524119552
https://web.archive.org/web/20210419193626/https://ichikara.co.jp/news/1116/
>For the digital voice sales of our company's affiliated livers, 50% of the amount received by our company from the sales platform is paid to the livers as compensation.
https://youtu.be/znNv8LriV60?t=5084
>"Streamlabs and voicepacks, then superchats, then merch"
Pomu when asked about what they get the best percentages off says streamlabs and voicepacks are on the same level split and voicepacks so both are confirmed 50/50. Then she puts youtube superchats below that because youtube take 30% while streamlabs don't, then we know merch is shit.

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>Fire Enna and Kyo
>Get new managers
>Stop scouting for no talent 3view normies with NPC personality

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>>54967468
>he is STILL ignoring the fact that they dont get paid salaries
Like talking to a brick wall lol

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>>54967874
>"the talents are not paid at all"
>point out that they are paid and how
>no not that this other thing
talk about moving the goalposts

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>>54967874
Let the sister live in her fantasy, it's the best thing for her

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>>54968071
The goalpost was never moved
>>54964411
You specifically brought up wages and we have been talking about them. In fact you are the one that moved the goalpost to merch

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>>54968455
I didn't bring up wages? This guy did >>54955222
You didn't say "the talents don't get paid salaries" you said "the talents are not paid at all" which is wrong. If you didn't mean they don't get paid at all then thats fine we are both in agreement they do get paid but you should probably be more precise with your words if you don't want to be misinterpreted.

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>>54967810
>>Get new managers
you know this just means talents with years in the company will answer to somebody with a weeks worth of experience who fucks everything up

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>>54969893
Fresh new managers eager to earn the place, are better than lazy complacent managers who just say "No" to any liver projects/opportunities because they already earned their place and don't have to impress anyone.

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>>54970790
>graduates someone for a deez nuts joke
They sure are better sister

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>>54970790
Thinking Niji will hire this kind of manager is delusional

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>>54970790
The fresh new manager will go on a power trip and wombo combo with the old and lazy manager to fire talents over every little misstep

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>>54963910
>48,000 Yen difference
Cover got more employees, while Niji hire way less. Also only 50K Yen difference isn't that wide of a gap. Cover spent more paying their employees.

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>>54964839
Putting them in debt to pay for their own debut is still sad, anon. Indentured servitude is mark of a black company.

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>>54966556
>Kyo and Enna.
What's the deal with them?

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>>54967094
For a company with a lot of studios they surely make less 3D events compared to Holo.

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>>54969893
You know that competent top managers (like that Ex-IN guy) can train them to do their job better right?
Only foolish company let loose inexperienced new managers.

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>>54976380
>who is the lolisex manager who terminated the sexo loli because he got his feefees hurt

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>>54975889
>they surely make less 3D events compared to Holo.
I don't know that they do? They have various regular 3D regular shows like these all the time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi-zwiBKreg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAJpQgzmyos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzrcoM9srHc
Then various 3d streams all the time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRnEXVINZao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ALXwso12a4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-8rIvnPiKs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LQYOxSXL_k
Then they recently had a whole AR TV show thing on DMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lndwTyDfY0
Most days there is something 3D going on.

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>>54934683
Luxiem was their Myth and Mysta leaving has permanently damaged it. Plus Vox is no longer as popular as he used to be. There is no recovery from this and it's only a slow fade from here. Look at NijiID and NijiKR and NijiIN, they never cared about any branch that wasn't JP.

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>>54975558
If Nijisanji is a "black comapny" and Cover pays their staff less than them dunno what that says about Cover.

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>>54977805
Retard, they're black because they treat their talents like shit and management takes more money than they deserve while doing the bare minimum

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>>54978035
and Cover pays less than such a terrible company guess they must be really black

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>>54978195
You either oshi niji management or have room temperature iq lmao

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>>54977805
I don't know if you're not keeping up, sister, but "black company" is a meme. It only exists because the other companies do things 100x better than Niji does. None of these zoomer-ass livers would ever survive in an actual black company.
Doesn't change the fact that NijiEN is a shitshow right now. 2% among other shit

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>>54978195
Conveniently ignoring >>54967423 and focusing on how niji staff get paid more than holo staff tells me you are an actual intern

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>>54977028
What the fuck are you talking about?

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>>54977805
I bet you don't even understand what "Indentured servitude" means

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>>54978429
What does the average salary they pay to all staff members have to do with management specifically? Paying your staff a better wage is a good thing no matter which way you look at it. You have to be doing all kinds of mental gymanstics to think otherwise.

>>54978607
This whole line of discussion is me being facetious to begin with anon. I am quite aware that neither of them are anything like black companies.

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>>54979137
I don't think you do either, how much someone decides to spend on their debut is completely up to them. Like Jesus Shu is one of the most popular members of the company and he made his shit himself by drawing in paint and animating in OBS.

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>>54979007
Have you been living under a rock

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>>54978689
I dont have the imrpression that morale is particularly low among the members of NijiEN currently. If anything they all seem to be much happier recently. Esepecially after all the con appearances and meet and greets. The members usually love doing those. Nina always used to say how getting to see all those fans are real people gives you a real boost and that she would recommend attendance of a con to anyone that was having a hard time at the moment.

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>>54949196
Thats Niji's cut with an extra 0 on the end.

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>>54978195
LEARN.TO.READ.YOU.MORON
>Niji: Less amount of management, paid a bit higher than Holo
>Holo: More amount of management, paid a bit less than Niji
Now do the math. Let say there's 80 Niji managers and 100 Cover managers.
Niji: 80 x 5,166 = 413,280 (Million Yen)
Holo: 100 5,118 = 511,800 (Million Yen)

Even if they raise the number of their employees to 90, Niji still spend 460,620 (Million yen) annually.
So Cover still spend more than Niji to employ more managers to help their talents properly taken care of.

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>>54979417
Ah yes because Zaion can opt out from that animated introduction right?
Oh wait.

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>>54980286
Nobody is talking about who has the larger salary bill? We are talking about what real actual individual people get paid. On average a Nijisanji employee will get paid more than a Cover one according to the data.

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>>54979522
No, I said, speak properly

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>>54934776
Tighter leash? You make it sound like only the talents are the problem.

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>>54980579
I gave up. You're a fucking unemployed idiot.

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>>54980451
Which animated introduction are you even talking about? If it was anything in her debut stream then yeah it was her choice to have it in there?

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>>54979417
If you were about to debut under a big corpo were you going to do the bare minimum and have a lousy debut with no pretty videos or assets to show?

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>>54980757
>>54981112

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>>54981112
Having observed a lot of debuts I can safely say it has little to no impact how much you spend so I would spend as little as possible. Some of the most expensive debuts have went on to not be very popular while some of the lowest effort ones have went onto be really popular.

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>>54980654
At worst, a third of NijiEN's own talents are a problem, and they need to be tied to a pole in the yard where management can keep an eye on them. They are responsible for contributing both to a poor fan base, causing a ton of drama, contributing to the appearance of cliques, harming their own reputation both as individuals and their brand, bringing down the mood/morale of the branch, just creating problems that don't need to exist in general.
Obviously management does not help either. But if anything the bad management is an appropriate match made in hell with some of the talents.

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>>54981322
So you're saying they shouldn't try to make a good impression, got it. Thank you for your insightful advice for all the aspiring nijiniggers out there!

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>>54981322
Are you talking about the recent Gem Girl Power Point presentation?
You know she spent the money on the transformation sequence and original song right?

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>>54981567
If you think spending money is the only way to make a good impression then I dunno what to tell you. Your personality, which costs nothing to display, is far more important than any splashy video or whatever. And you can do plenty of memorable things without spending a penny if you have an modicum of creativity. I still remember Pomu's debut and she made that herself, I still remember Shu's debut and he did that himself. I barely remember any of these flashy expensive looking animated videos various people have done though.

>>54981762
I'm not talking about whatever you are talking about.

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>>54981322
>Some of the most expensive debuts have went on to not be very popular while some of the lowest effort ones have went onto be really popular.
Also:
>Some of the lowest effort debuts have went on to not be very popular while some of the most expensive ones have went onto be really popular.

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>>54981322
Thank Jesas that Hololive does not have the same view. If anything, it meant a lot to the girls.
Zaion saying she had to make up her own lore, and hired someone to write it for her. That is just sad.

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>>54982201
Honestly when there is a vtuber debut and one of these generic animated lore video things comes up to start it I am just there waiting for it to end so I can get to the stuff that actually matters. I have seen so many of them by now that I just don't care. This stuff all basically gets thrown out, ignored and basically becomes nothing more than a few references and jokes in stream occasionally anyway. While their actual personality, skills, likes and dislikes, interests and hobbies and all of that is actually going to matter forever.

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>>54981978
It's not only about spending money of course, the point is if given the option to spend money to get flashy things to increase the chances of leaving a good first impression during a debut, many people would do it. Also the fact that they even got in means your oshi, the company, decided they had what it takes to be a good entertainer. The fact that you don't see that reveals how willfully ignorant you are.
I'm clearly talking to a brick wall so I'm done

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>>54983036
You were saying that I was saying they shouldn't try to make a good impression. I pointed out that spending money isn't the only way to make a good impression. There isn't anything ignorant about that its just the truth. People might choose to spend money but I never disagreed with that at all. The entire point I was making was that its a choice.

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>>54982201
99% of lore gets forgotten within the next day.
>>54983036
It doesn't really make a first impression because debuts are unironically the worst impression you can get of someone.
Do you think that anybody, anyone at all, thinks of Kronii as a "sadistic and powerful warden" who "enslaves humanity"
Or do you think people think of Kronii as the girl with the fate esque model who hates her tits?

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>>54967094
They have over 200 JP livers alone you idiot, where are they going to put them? Just one 3d studio?

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>>54985024
They take turns obviously, it's not like they all need it at the same time

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>>54979209
if they had the same number of staff, you'd have a more plausible argument. but Nijisanji employs 1/2 as much support staff as Hololive, that;s why their wages are higher. they can take bigger chunks of the operational budget.

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>>54985299
Considering how many "3d events" they hold, I would think , yes multiple squads need the studio.

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>>54975138
holy shit thank you, the nijisister idiot who posted that is truly stupid to showcase that difference. What a fucking joke

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>>54975138
50,000 yen is like $330-something. per year. the difference is literally less than a dollar a day and captain nijisister is claiming it as some sort of major win

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>>54934683
to make things better, whoever takes decisions needs to care, and it seems pretty clear that top positions on niji dont care about talents, just about how much profit they can make until the talent give up... maybe with their major profitable talents quiting they start to move, but even then, dont expect anything good, and just damage control

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>>54939705
I gotta agree with the other anon, this was really stupid compared to all of the shitposters on this board

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>>54986834
Seeing how Yagoo almost violently refused a shareholder's idea of restructuring like Any Color, There is clearly something wrong with their model, either *not paying their content creators* or greedily eating all the merch and dono profits.

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>>54934683
Management incompetence isn't even the fatal blow to the branch. Agencies can weather mismanagement if the talents are competent and support each other. The problem compounding the management situation is the internal cliquiness of the group. Everything I see or hear or read about NijiEN, it feels like none of them actually like each other and they're all trying to climb over each other for status in the group.

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>>54987193
I remember the talking stream Nina had about her diffaculties trying to connect with her genmates on a casual level, since she clearly was in Niji for fun. and she mentioned she couldn't corral her own gen into a single Discord call for months The girls were so busy trying to establish themselves, in a sea of same faces and same cliches.

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>>54987193
yeah, you're either in enna's inner circle or you're disposable and they'll throw you under the bus first chance they get. happened to zaion, happened to nina, now it's happening to mysta, selen is next

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>>54986834
Even if they were to do something, Anycolor dropped the ball by taking this long to do anything, and seemingly because it took a shareholders Q&A for them to spring into action. The corporation is 5 years old at this point, they aren't a small indie company run by only 10 managers, they're pretty big and loaded.
The good thing is that they're still taking action before someone like Kuzuha or Kanae or anyone else big from their JP branch leaves.

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>>54988179
Can you imagine the shake up if someone like Solome left?

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>>54952791
you're actually not completely wrong, there was def a watchful eye between both agencies where they announce back to back. However, some things were actually coincidental especially with the 3D. I do buy the other anons that there was some logical issues and it being a coincidence.

Still doesn't mean some of your take was wrong where they watch each other's announcements, just not completely right too with 3d in particular.

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>>54987968
Zaion felt like a "fear of God" Firing because dear lord they threw every book at her for every tiny thing. Hell, they even CRS her for playing one of her own genmate's music on her stream.

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji is literally run as a black company where the goal is extracting profit and burning out workers, like amazon.

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>>54988526
Since she's probably one of their most watched females, that'd probably be a notable blow, though maybe as not as much of a symbolic hit as someone like Mito leaving. Kuzuha and Kanae though are huge money makers and insanely popular, those are the two talents that the company absolutely cannot afford to lose by any means.

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>>54988526
It wouldn't be as huge as everyone thinks, she's so obviously botted it's kind of hilarious

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>>54934776
>tighter leash
Isn't management stifling Nina part of the reason she left?

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>>54989045
yep, she left because all of her content ideas were vetoed by some dipshit jap corpo half her age. I wouldn't be surprised if all the "Burnout" claims are just livers frustrated by management denying their content requests.

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>>54989045
oh, is that the narrative we're going with today?

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>>54989345
It’s about to happen with Hololive too, two of their male EN talents have been MIA for nearly a month and they’re probably going to graduate because they’ve both chafed against management since debut

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>>54980716
seems like a real shitposter, anon, no one can be that retarded, haha.... right?

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>>54989455
Donno, Yagoo is pretty passionate about Holostars since it's a project he, himself is directing, I think Magni and Vesper are in contract renogication, if they were out they wouldn't wait this long and just have announced their leaving as soon as possible. This isn't Any color and their stealth suspensions. The others n Tempus know where they are and are what's happening and don't seem that concerned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54988698
extremely petty and unprofessional way of doing it, they must've gotten into a huge argument for it to end like that

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>>54990139
well she's a professional Genshin player and didn't want to start fresh she got perms to do it, then got bonked for doing it. Then got bonked for making a EMU joke, then got bonked for a Deez Nuts joke because a company with that name exists and they feared a lawsuit (fucking what?) then she gpt bonked for reaching out to her trsaining coach, then she got bonked for being a shotacon, when everyone else in Niji EN are raging sex monsters, she also got bonked for a Raid: Shadow Legend's joke because she wasn't sponsored by them, then bonked for... using an off lyric version of a genmates music without permission. Then several bonks for arguing with manager-san who was an ass kissing boot licking corpo stooge. Then she got suspended before New years then fired half way through January,

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>>54934683
I hope they don't, just let it die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54990066
if it was contract-related, we probably would have gotten at least a tidbit of info by now. my guess is that it's either something legal (maybe the people who did their old models' art/rigging/whatever were unhappy about their work being replaced, or they had a few drinks and did something zany and ended up getting hit with "drunk and disorderly conduct") or security/tech related (they lost their work phones, they got hacked and cover isn't saying anything because the hackers might not know how valuable the info they have is, who knows)

[Anonymous No.]

>>54934683
When an organization grows they become more and more inefficient. While a chuuba may not cost a lot of resources on their own, they need to hire more managers and those managers also need to be managed, making it harder and harder to control the quality. Anykara's business model of pumping chuuba after chuuba also doesn't make for a great environment. You're a cog in a machine, a machine with many other cogs competing for the same audience. Its true for Hololive too but Anykara has so much more chuubas

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>>54934683
>before everyone just fucking quit
This won't happen. NijiEN knows it, and we know it. People in the 21st century are insanely cucked and will happily let a corporation trample all over them and treat them like disposable shit just to maintain "civility".
The NijiEN members SHOULD all quit, or at the very least protest their dogshit management, but they won't because they're afraid of losing their jobs. It's incredibly stupid, because if they banded together Anykara wouldn't be able to fire them all, because it would be a PR nightmare of Final Yab proportions that would kill any future for the EN branch.
>If HoloEN's branch can have "multiple big improvements" behind the scenes, what's stopping NijiEN management from getting their shit together too
The reason HoloEN can have behind the scenes improvements is because higher ups in Hololive at least give a shit about their talents. They're not putting shareholders first, which Nijisanji is because it's not profitable to treat your talent like human beings.

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>>54987968
What are you even talking about "happened to nina"? she is literally friends with all the people you could ever think were close to enna, she literally has plans to go stay over with enna and millie and texts them offline still now that she has left, i swear so many people talk about nijisanji with no idea what they are talking about. Mysta is good friends with Enna too, they are trying to organize their final collab together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54991071
well AX this year was a massive shitshow for Vtubers, what with para's getting on staff and a lot of stalkery shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54935230
The main problem with niji is that they push "we are all one family" message but have two different fanbases that barely tolerate each other. Starting with holo-lite just a bit more crass and open to twitch that brought Western male fanbase they moved into agressive Chinese fujo pandering with multiple fuckboys and this two groups are not compatible so they made decision to prioritize sisters. In late 2022 Bili Bili decided to fuck them over like they did with Hololive, sisters changed fap material and now niji "EN" is left with nothing but scraps of what they gained during growth period and little presence on their intended market that ended up neglected for 2 years in other words their fucked on a deeper level with only wrong options left and would require drastic measures to solve, moves that nobody seem eilling to risk like separating genders to some extent and targeting male fans again. It's more likely that they will get absorbed into the main branch at some point if debuts keep flopping like they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54991378
Mostly chinese share holders, and we know how much China cares for it;s workers if their construction projects are any indication.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54936279
Graduate all luxiemfags and rebuild the branch without Chinese fujo stain is the only way to go honestly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54991884
In some cases the construction projects ARE the workers. The Great Wall has something like half a million bodies built into it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54936285
Pretty sure luxiemhomos have lore, they made streams about it, at least I know Vox did after like 10 "celebration" streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54975692
Seconding this. I dont pay attention to niji

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone in this thread actually watch streams?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54992370
SEA internet isn't good enough to watch streams anon

[Anonymous No.]

just involve them more on JP events
im sure they will be on nijifest but dam at least let them do a english koshien or something.
Fucking hololive is having an international torunament of fucking pokemon unite and rpetty sure none of them had to organize it like selen had to with the puyopuyo

[Anonymous No.]

>>54991884
Anycolor doesn't have mostly Chinese shareholders? There's two Chinese companies in the top 10 investors by percentage held. First is Riku, then Sony, then a Japanese VC firm, then a Japanese private investor called Yuzuru Honda. Then bilibili with a whopping 3% ownership and legend capital also at 3% ownership. 6% of the company is with Chinese shareholders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54975558
they dont put anyone in debt because 99% of the livers are smart and dont spend much on debut, unlike the retarded zaion. theres a reason most debuts in njisanji are simple

[Anonymous No.]

>>54992447
I'm saying it's mostly the chinese shareholders suggesting the wonderful work environment.

Since Yagoo fucked out of that hellhole real fast when his chinese shareholders told him to fire Aki Haato and Coco over saying Taiwan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54991379
It's so funny Mysta literally considers himself an aloupeep and calls Enna his oshi, and Enna is doing a special baking stream for him this week because he requested it. Then you have these fucking threadreaders with no idea about Nijisanji trying to make out that he's being persecuted by their imaginary clique that controls everything behind the scenes. They're so obviously out of touch and have no idea what they're talking about to anyone that actually watches Niji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54992370
Anycolor ain't getting a second of watch time out of me till they get their shit sorted out. If my watch time isn't translating directly to the talents getting paid for their work, I'd rather just watch clips and not line corpo pockets

[Anonymous No.]

>>54989361
Calm your man tits, I just genuinely thought that was one of the reasons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54992520
You do realize the cost are spread around all XSOLEIL members right? They all took the same brunt of cost

[Anonymous No.]

>>54992448
none of that will change anything. nijien has been in many jp tournaments and events in JP

[Anonymous No.]

>>54992772
And they are all retarded for doing that when 90% of the members prior nijien debuted with simple shit, and even some en did. Lore bullshit, Videos, so much useless shit they spend money with no neeed

[Anonymous No.]

>>54992772
all of them should just debut like obsydia and lazulight. or vanta, or shu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54992687
You could have just said what I said earlier anon. Your Internet literally can't handle live streams. It's okay to admit it you know

[Anonymous No.]

>>54992872
I think the reason XSoleil debut like they did was to try and rival En Council, since those girls had multiple trailers and all their debuts had animated intros.

And Any Color being the spergs they are shouted: 'DO THAT! DO THAT!" and their livers had to eat the cost themselves since No one gets an op budget in that faggotry

[Anonymous No.]

>>54934683
They higher people faster than they quit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54992448
can't really join Niji JP events if only three of their entire EN Branch has 3d models.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54990502
Actually the raid shadow legends thing was the Dee's nuts joke
>>54992872
Lol imagine shitting on people for trying to do something, fucking unemployed imbecile

[Anonymous No.]

>>54992971
Say it again, bitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>54993271
Where'd you steal that pic from Pedro?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54941032
Anycolor DID actually do that before in the past, and they did it for Lazulights 3D too. It worked well for regular debuts, not so much their 3D streams and it seems to have been taken personally since they've given up on EN 3D entirely

[Anonymous No.]

>>54988698
I just love it backfired badly on anykara
>They want to make her an example
>They "killed" her and write the warning on the wall with her blood to other Livers who want to go "out of the line"
>A girl named Sayu appeared, covered in blood and leaking the truth to the world
>The world now know how black the company is
>Meanwhile the livers, when they saw the warning, decided that enough is enough
>They left one by one
>Anykara is losing good will from inside and outside
>Anykara is slowly crumbling
>And sayu became Vtuber martyr

[Anonymous No.]

>>54993362
Your sister's place. She says hi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54946376
The rrat goes that management doesn't tell JP management shit, otherwise Kyo would have been gone long ago. All they hear is positive news

[Anonymous No.]

>>54990502
Don't forget the most ridiculous part: Got bonked for complaining that rejoining an UNO game is very difficult.
I was like, Ubisoft, why are you this petty? Then I remember they literally deleted accounts that been inactive for several years even when the users already paid for the games in that account.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54993104
That's such weird thought process of they wanted to copy council why not do it with obsydia or ethyria or luxiem or Noctyx or iluna? They just suddenly decided 6 waves later to do the same? If we're talking about copying things from debuts then the obvious thing is HoloEN copying NijiEN this time having a debut song they've never done before but has always done good for NijiEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54993116
>higher
You mean hire?
Sure they can do that but fame isn't easy to gain for newcomers compared to long time beloved veterans

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>>54993104
>>54993251
I shit on them for doing that shit because JP members debut without it, including fucking salome who did shit and everything was simple asf

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>>54993418
You couldn't be more delusional. Nothing of what you said is true. Anykara isnt losing good will, crumbing or anything, the contrary is in fact happening. Their major market is in Japan and nothing changed about it in there, its where they have most popularity, its where the company is localized and its where they make most money by far. Everything youre saying is only related to EN, and even with EN, the nijien fans while critical of anycolor dont think like dramafags.

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>>54993418
let's not forget them firing one of their more popular JP talents for a baseball joke, when she knew nothing about the sport and the only japs offended were terminally online twitards. They still suspended her and then canned her when the Baseball League didn't even really care.

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>>54994244
You mean the thing that JP fans found positive or at best neutral? i dont know how to tell you this but anycolor really dont care about their perception outside of japan. en management is the only one who cares about it

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>>54994325
yeah her actual audience found it endearing that she was so puzzled by the game and knew she was joking since she didn't know the rules. Anykara didn't care since they feared they'd lose money from the bases balls peoples, so out she went.

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>>54994237
except now everyone knows:
>Niji doesn't pay their livers.
>Niji takes 97% of merch sales.
>Niji takes 50% of dono over YT's 30%
>Niji takes 50% of streamlabs
>Niji Keeps the liver's play buttons and doesn't offer them copies. (which are FREE)
>Niji will suspend people for baseless moronic reasons and demand the liver lie to their audience.

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>>54994584
In Anycolor, management is more important than livers. Livers are mere disposable money making machines. Prease understand.

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>>54994759
I understand I just find Japanese corpo culture just as bafflingly stupid as their military structure.

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>>54993507
Tell her I said it back!!! I miss her! Don't see her too often these days
>>54994584
Hololive doesn't pay their talents either. On the IPO and every interview that's come up so far theres been no mention of a salary. The salary may have been something that they gave out forever ago back when talents struggled to make 3views but it's certainly not now.
You're referring to generic merch sales which hololive doesn't pay great for either
Niji takes 35% just like hololive, it's a 50/50 cut after YouTubes 30% tax
Niji allows streamlabs in the first place which makes the livers more money than superchats since streamlabs doesn't have a cut
We literally have two males in hololive currently suspended for most likely fighting with management, the same thing zaion got suspended for.

Anything else?

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>>54994883
>Vesper and Magni got suspended for deez nuts jokes
DYRBI

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>>54995020
Vesper and magni would get suspended if they made a logo for an existing company while claiming to be sponsored by them. In Japan you can get sued for almost anything, like it's to the point where there have been people who have been sued successfully by their rapists for calling their rapist a rapist.
In general you try to avoid false claims that could potentially end up costing you and your company several million if a person representing a brand that you made a fake logo for and claimed to be sponsored by on stream, decided to press charges.

Japanese law is fucking awful. It makes the American legal system look competent

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>>54994883
>Holo doesn't pay
Yes, they do. Many of the girls rely on actual paychecks until their monetization goes through and even then they are registered employed of Hololive and receive tax forms every year.
>Generic merch.
Holomemes get a 50/50 split on all merch from Hololive, Kson even mentions this.
>35% ok, I'll bow to that one.
>Niji allows streamlabs.
they still take half of it.
>Magni and Vesper are suspended.
No they're not. Holostars never announced them suspended, their activites have just temporarily paused. There have been no confirmation of them under suspension,

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>>54934683
Delete this fucking private discord server shit and TARDWRANGLE YOUR FUCKING TALENTS.
I can't believe the server with a leak that fucked over your entire company's reputation and started a tribalfagging war that has lasted TO THIS DAY is still UP AND RUNNING.
https://youtu.be/MhZzCBB1Ssc
Even new talents are being fucking groomed away from the eyes of management before ever showing up on the actual "official" discord which has management in it.
These fucking corporate VTubers are acting like High School level retards, playing at avoiding the "teacher" (management) in order to let themselves loose.
Either go for the productive option and fix your fucking talent managers so that your livers feel more comfortable around them, or go for the stricter option and nuke the fucking thing, because at least that way these retards won't salt the wound.

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>>54934683
They don't care. The side branches are just something they do to milk as much money as possible while putting the least money in. They don't expect them to be long term investments, they just wanna get out what they can before it explodes and then they pretend it doesn't exist anymore until all the human organs quit or get terminated.

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>>54950888
> Axel says merch is worse than superchats
well OBVIOUSLY homo merch returns is worse, they don't have enough people buying them

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>>54994135
>Salome
>A joke character accidentally became popular
Gee, I wonder why she put no effort in her debut
Also ironically Salome is the best example for how lore and kayfabe can work wonder if the Liver actually did it seriously.

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>>54983598
You chose the talent that least embraces her lore. How is this a good example?

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>>54994584
And literally none of that is relevant to what i said, and more than half of what you said are known for 5 years and nothing new.

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>NotRion
>Think of us as a tool to make money.
>If your opinion differs from management
>they will ignore you to pressure you.
>It's like a reign of terror.

nijisisters …?

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>>54963910
anon these are management wages...
livers are contract employees, they don't get shit

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>>54995570
That’s fucked up. No way any other company allows anything like this. How are you gonna have a private server with your work accounts? If I remember right they even post porn and shit in their.

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>>54995871
look at what he quoted before replying retard

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>>54982788
And this is the reason why Niji will stay black. Fans keep supporting them over the talents. Never caring about the talents want. Just ignore that they spend their own money for it.

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>>54987815
it was actually worse, since they were actively IGNORING her while holding discord calls with the 3 of them.
And then later on they started a collab group that was basically Ethyria -Nina +Petra.

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>>54994244
> she knew nothing about the sport
anon she knew
and firing Gundou was seen as a "fucking finally" moment because she was basically the Enna of JP in terms of shitting on anyone and anything.
Including shitting on Hololive fans btw. Multiple times.
Baseball was just a convenient excuse to can her ass.

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>>54995868
>No translation

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>>54995868
well because she became replaceable... you are not kuzuha

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>>54989455
>>54990066
>>54991071
The two popular rrats are Vesper and Magni were both caught leaking or stupidly thinking they could hold out for a better contract, which is retarded considering how big a flop Tempus is.
At this point it's a given they're both terminated, but Cover is holding off announcing becaues it would suck all the oxygen from the room with the EN3 Debuts.

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>>54995748
homobeggars, the ultimate holo antis

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>>54995868
>Like Rion, Hakase and Furen
>Like TRiNITY's music
>Hate the idea that supporting them means supporting Anycolor

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I, SISSYKARA-sama, JOBBER of the Vtuberverse humbly kneel to:
COVER-sama, prince of all vtubers and my master.

Pekora-sama, my one and only true love and other master.

Gura-sama, who I shall never have more subs than.

Advent-sama, who gave me the ALL OUT WAR my anus craved.

Tempus-sama, who easily manhandled the floor so I can avoid embarrassment when half of my vtubers get less than 100 CCV.

HoloEN-sama, who anally raped me and first awakened my wish to become an analslut sissy for breaks and debuts.

Xi Jinping-sama, who beat the shit out of me so hard I started getting aroused by Bilibili almost as much as I am attracted to Vox's ASMR.

Koshien-sama, whose incomparably forceful numbers crushed my ass-womb entirely to the point I can beat COVER-sama's CCV for 1 month which is more than I like to wish to.

STOCKS-sama, whose day-long beatings gave me uncontrollable orgasms so massive even the stock splitting by Tazumi-sama can't compare.

Vshoujo-sama, who is literally me but better in every way and is not a complete BITCH like me.

Graduate-samas, for they have my DNA AS WELL AS the superior saiyan genes of my vtuber MASTERS.

Comiket-sama, whose power I was scared of (I am glad he didn't ban my beloved masters, as I was too scared to participate...)

Tazumi-sama, who didn't revenge-dump-and-pump me from the sheer pleasure of being made into an cashcow for his yacht (I was so sad about it)

/vt/-sama, for /#/ will fuck ME up once he finds out I botted my viewercounts (God I hope so...)

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>>54996686
The funny thing about this is that Anycolor is quite literally the most successful vtuber company there ever has been and currently is and they just had their best year ever.

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>>54995947
Why wouldn't they spend their own money for it? That's how all japanese vtuber companies work. If anything NijiEN has it good, they geta debut song for free.

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>>54941349
>ummmm akshully
Kek the jokes write themselves

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>>54939887
>not 9 hours
Are you sure? I mean... Bondage? Dropscythe?

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>>54997893
He's not wrong. Anycolor opened their second studio last year. Because their existing one was permanently booked.

https://www.moguravr.com/nijisanji-interview-3/
I think it's quite a big deal to have 100 units of "VICON," which should cost several million yen per unit.

Suzuki: I was thinking to myself, "Really? But it is more interesting when you do everything you can with everything you have.
I think it is rare to find a company that performs real-time motion capture and rendering using such a large number of VICONs. The same employees who do motion capture for live events and those who are in charge of delivery in our in-house studio are the same, so I can say that they have an overwhelming amount of experience.

--By the way, is the in-house studio in operation now (the interview was conducted at the end of February)? I thought there was talk that "Niji Sanji's B-Grade Variety (tentative)" could not be recorded.

Suzuki: As for the studio, we had stopped operations since early February, and will resume operations starting with ChroNoiR's live performance ("ChroNoiR Winter Live - the end of the journey -") on February 27. One topic to mention is that we added a 3D studio during the time we stopped operation.

--You said that there are more 3D studios.

Suzuki: We were in a situation where even if we operated 7 days a week, 365 days a year, it still wouldn't be enough, so we added one more optical motion capture studio. It cost us a considerable amount of money, but I think it is necessary both from the viewers' and the lifers' point of view, so we want to continue to invest in equipment sparingly, and we also plan to hire more staff for the studio.

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>>54994584
Why do they keep the buttons?

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>>54934683

Staff-san... I know you're out of ideas over there but really? crowdsourcing /vt/?

nice try but this is your fault. fix it yourself.

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>>54995413
The talents are self-employed contractors, not employees.

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>>54993116

ESL-chama...

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>>54998425
Come on, give them a hand in good faith, that's good sportmanship... not that I know how to fix this disaster neither but one could try

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>>54997593
Holy cope.

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>>54999183
Yhat's entirely factually correct though, they make the most revenue, they make the most profit, last year was their best year on both those measures, the company is the most valuable vtuber company currently it's market cap is the highest. Whichever way you look at it Anycolor is the most successful vtuber company in history.

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>>54992448
Nijisanji is not like Hololive, just because you collab with the jps doesn't make their fanbase intermingle

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>>54995570
They can't really do that when despite having more than twice the number of talents HoloEN has, they have less than 1/3rd of the managers

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>>54995570
> video unlisted
Ohhh shit

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>>54999359
>the most successful vtuber company in history.

When you take almost everything from the talent, sure, the company must profit ...

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>>55001365
>When you take almost everything from the talent, sure, the company must profit ...
Notice he never said anything about it being a good company.
This >>54996686 implies Anycolor is in financial crisis and submit to cover, which isn't happening.

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>>54992448
>just involve them more on JP events
NijiEN is literally built on lying about how much they care or know about other Nijisanji livers.

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>>54995570
You're completely misinterpreting what Selen is saying there. The new groups get their own discord separate from the other members for months and months priori to their debut. So they can still talk with each other before they're full proper members. Other livers joined the new groups segregated server but Selen hadn't.

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Debut more livers to replace the ones that don't want to renew the contract and see them off if they dare to ask for a raise
Let's be honest, it's unfixable unless this greedy moron leaves

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>>55002617
I doubt it tho. This is a black company, if he left shareholders gonna appoint someone far worse than him.
Pretty much just like how Bob Iger is now bring Disney to ruin.

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>>54995570
This whole interpretation is so wrong. Selen is in the livers separate discord from the official one. You can see she is in it on Enna's leak. Look how they are in the server with the icon that's just fanart of the girls here that's the unofficial server pre Luxiem, you can see the official one above it with the actual NijiEN logo and you can see Selen listed as in their unofficial one. What Selen is talking about is that the new talents are segregated off to their own separate server at first until it gets closer to debut, presumably to help them bond with each other at first and prevent them having access to tons of info they could leak, eventually they let the other members outside the group join their segregated server to chat to them a bit before debut, Selen in this case didn't join.

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The real reason Finana is a 3 view is because her new costume is shit

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>>55003745
>Segregated server
Even when a Nijisister trying to defend their corpo, it's still show how awful the Livers unity are.
Everyone stuck in their own clique, making factions even before they debuted. Completely toxic environemnt.

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>>55004077
The fuck are you talking about? It's good that the new members get a chance to bond between them so you get waves with unity instead of them just not giving a shit about each other. There's plenty of time for them to make friends with the other members after that. And besides from an opsec perspective you don't just give new people immediate access to all the company secrets.

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>>55004546
There's a difference between group bonding and making cliques lol.
Look what happened to Nina during her debut era. Do you think that's a group bonding?

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>>55004077
As shit as NijiEN is, you'd have to be a retard to think it's a good idea to just chuck new members into interactions with the rest of the branch immediately, unrestricted.

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>>55004993
NTA, but what happened to Nina with Ethyria is less a criticism of management, but more of a criticism of how disgusting Enna, Millie and Reimu are.

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>>54998267
hell if I know, all I know is they email the liver a picture of their button and letter but keep the button at HQ like some sort of trophy.

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>>54999359
when you have over 300 slaves mining away you will make more money then someone with 90 contractors.