/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

guys... i've just been thinking and... well... what if we acted too hastily with shiori? what if she literally had absolutely 0 intention of collabing with males? what if we she misspoke or we took her quote out of context?
what if this was all a big misunderstanding? what if we fucking mindbroke her and made her sad by acting too rashly?
i mean nothing has even happened yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
She wanted to collab with her friends and she's the kind of girl who never had a female friend in her life. How else do you interpret it?

[Anonymous No.]

A month’s time or two will tell. A debut is always hard, no matter if you’re a veteran or a rookie. I’ll give her time to see what she wants to do.

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>>54647297
I do feel bad if she actually reads here and anons exaggerate about Collab thing, still I don't think it was good thing to say and her debut was mediocre overall, let's see if she steps up. Probably was just nervous etc, she isn't the only one with shit debut, and there are plenty of girls who had smooth sailing after

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
The damage done, the pain subsides
And I can see the fear, clear, when I look in your eye.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
Possible too, but we'll have to see some sign of girls only mention, right now can't put my hand in the fire for her

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>>54647297
I can guarantee that 95% of this so called "acting too rashly" is nijinigger / 2view seethe at a succesful new gen. >>54647256 is all you need to see as proof of this.

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>>54647297
Yeah, her statement was vague and I think people read it wrong. I think she meant that collabs in general would be rare because she only wants to collab with friends and it will take lots of studying then first to see if they can be potential friends.

We'll see, I'll be judging her on her actions and not on vague words. So far she's done almost everything right and hasn't mentioned or acknowledged homos in any way.

So keep that up Shiori and I'm sure everything will be fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297

Part of being a big titty goth gf is being mindbroken. Hololive is not the Talent Freedom ™ company. Daddy Jap will correct her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
She is going to collab with pending and you will like it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647727
That stream was so good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647727
>kneeling to jap
>a fucking bug man
>hired a /b/ girl
now where do i remember this formula from?
oh wait, i think the other guy is named
>paul li
>hired /b/omu
HOLOEN HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN NIJIFIED

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
I willl give her a chance, so should you all

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647956
>the /b/ girl that confirmed himself to be a trap and signed off with face and benis >>54645571

[Anonymous No.]

What if she collabs with pending, but he comes out as a femboi, and we get to play out the ultimate fantasy of claiming his bussy while listening to your baby kicking in Shiori belly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
I feel bad for her. Says some random ass thing that can be taken 1 of 100 different ways but everyone pounced on her thinking she meant she wants male dick in her now.
I think she should be given the benefit of the doubt, we don't even know anything about her ffs and even if you point to her PL, well so what? Every holo girl had dirt you could dig up on them before they became Holos. Mumei straight up ignored Ren when he tried to message her despite them having known each other for a long ass time.
It just seems unfair that Shiori is getting absolutely stomped into the dirt for doing nothing at all. If it turns out that she is going to be a male collaber then so be it, the suspicions will be confirmed correct but come on, we can't be treating that as a fact from this. It was a nothing burger as far as I'm concerned, I've listened to it like 10 times and I can't even figure out what the fuck she was trying to imply. She deserves a chance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54648041
it'll pass.
remember the shitposting in moom's early period, that was a lot worse, and on a worse debut too

[Anonymous No.]

>>54648041
till it happens it'll happen
till then i don't care
but she's so flat it's boring,
i'll wait for a few streams to oshi any of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
She's a western whore, idiot. It's exactly what it says on the tin.

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>>54647297
What if... she was just trying to ward off homobeggers nicely?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54648151
ogey brownvtm

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>>54648041
Why do you feel bad for her. If it is a misunderstanding, it will be corrected eventually. It's not even like people dislike her, she has basically the same subs as Bijou.

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>>54648041
she can easily turn it around, once the supas start we'l get the answer, the homo beggars will pounce

[Anonymous No.]

are Pebblephiles already the most toxic fandom of Advent? I didn't think it was possible this fast, but they have spent the entire fucking night just putting down Shiori and gloating about how much better Bijou is. It's really obnoxious.

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>>54647297
She still likes Scaramouche and that's as bad as 'Don't live with me even when married' Choco.

[Anonymous No.]

Events like these just remind me of how bad the hololive fanbase can get over the smallest of things, and justifies why I mostly left it around this time two years ago.
I'll be supporting Shiori from the sidelines if none of you will.

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>>54648195
Entirely possible, given how vague her statement was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647611
>nijinigger
No. It's the same group of shitposters that jump on literally any drama. The people shitting of Shiori are the same people that shat on Nina.

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>>54648039
Imagine that she loves you to the point that she doesn't want to risk the baby, at the same time, she doesn't want you to be blue balled, so she brings fembois for you to rail because she is also jealous enough to not want you to seed other women.

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>>54648041
We had this dance already. Everyone said that Mori's obvious red flags are obvious red flags, deadbeats coped and said how nothing will happen, then Mori would act retarded according to her red flags and deadbeats would tell everyone that it's good because it makes everyone else seethe. It's fucking tiresome. I am just disappointed that a slot was wasted after 2 years of no girl gens.

[Anonymous No.]

>Overall poor debut
>Will not be streaming games
>Fat girl vocal register
>Places Woman Disclaimer (tm) at the end of the stream that you need to respect whatever I do just because
SHIORICOIN IN FREEFALL

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647956
>>54647992

If shes half as empathic and sensitive as she says, she will budge and kneel. If she truly wants to be loved. Otherwise she can join the conga line of irrelevant pariahs with Mori and Kronii.

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>>54648208
Because I'm putting myself in her shoes. Imagine debuting, being happy, then coming here and reading all these threads about you. You'd feel like fucking shit. 90% of threads about her have been shitting on her over something she allegedly meant but didn't outright say so its all up in the air speculation.

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>>54647297
She is absolutely going to collab with Flayon. I don't know what to tell you

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>>54648514
i have no idea who that is

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>>54648357
This one isn't as clear, she did mention GFE multiple times and doesn't follow or like homo stuff and she said Mumei is her model and looks like she is ESL as fuck, there is a chance it was just a poor choice of words or theme for the "mad girl RP"

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>>54648514
Who?

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>>54648532
This. If she was straight up another Mori I wouldn't give a fuck about her, but we don't fucking know yet. Not from 1 debut stream from a comment that barely even made any sense.

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>>54648208
yeah, being unaware of the absolute shitter climate EN is in, being unprepared in her fucking debut of all things to be flat as as a festival/comet.
i'd be sad too if i got a golden ticket and gave a bad impression that was entirely my fault.

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>>54648451
>coming here
If she does come here, that's on her and she deserves it. I wouldn't clarify this as a place to come to for positivity for a vtuver themself.

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>>54648514
Flayon is an honorary hologirl

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>>54648151
fuck off quest or youll dicksword server will get raided

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
She still is a genchink nigger so no watch

[Anonymous No.]

If I was Shiori and I came to /vt/ after my debut and saw what was wrote about me I'd probably commit sudoku.
Have any other girls had it this bad but recovered afterwards? I want to hold out hope.

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>>54647297
Even without the husbando list (like seriously??? is she fucking retarded? imagine a girl pulling out photos of a bunch of guys that make her wet on your first date) there wouldn't be much room for interpretation but that retarded list cements the meaning behind her dumb rant.

[Anonymous No.]

Go to her X page and click "read replies" and see how much of a sweetheart she is and how grateful she is to her fans and the people who worked on her debut assets. Then tell me that you still think she's entitled and contemptuous of her fans.

[Anonymous No.]

she's a good girl, she didn't deserve this

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>>54648932
She’s not entitled, she’s just plain ol’ stupid. Idk how you fumble a golden ticket harder than she did in just one stream.

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>>54648819
Bae was similar, Fauna and Mumei was 3 times worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54648819
>Kiara
>Fauna
>Mumei
>special mention Korone
>Kaela

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
im coping so hard that is the case...

[Anonymous No.]

She's going to collab with males. Cry about it and let's be done with this shit once and for all. I don't want her to collab with dudes a year from now and have to listen to you fucks bitching a second time. You're horrible people and should fuck off as directed.
>>54648287
You can't hold a position on who you'll collab with before you've even met them. First, you'd have to build a friendship with the homos in the discord gc first. If she finds a male pleasing, they will collab, if she doesn't she won't. She pretty much said that she will collab with her friends (be they male or female, in-house or outsourced.) and at the moment most of her friends are outsourced, but she will be studying (testing out the waters) with the in-house girls if there's chemistry, there'll be more collabs, if not she won't (and you better shut up about it) and there will be no forced collabs.
>>54648839
She's a nerd, motherfucker, that's the appeal. Went she pulled out that husbando list (which must've be embarrassing). I was like, "Based, based, based, based, based, based, based, based, based, based, she's committing to the bit and she's just like me for real for real." and I pressed the like button.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54648932
>>54649033
Telling your audience to shut up and just eat up whatever you do on your first day, acting like this is about you and not them is the single most entitled thing you could do in this situation.

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>>54649128
>She's a nerd, motherfucker, that's the appeal. Went she pulled out that husbando list (which must've be embarrassing). I was like, "Based, based, based, based, based, based, based, based, based, based, she's committing to the bit and she's just like me for real for real." and I pressed the like button.
You tell 'em sister!

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>>54649128
Okay sister. Don't forget to watch streams like you did with homos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54649128
I’m not going to read that much injected estrogen being bled unto a post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647992
same

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>>54647297
Ok then she should clear it up and I'll forgive her but if she starts doing goth girl GFE and then collabs with a male in a year this board is gonna go ballistic

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>>54649128
YASSSS SLAAAAYYYYY QWWWEEENNN then everybody clapped have fun in low view limbo

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>>54647297
the way she phrased was highly questionable since it can be understood in more ways than one, she put herself into a fencesitter's position
it kinda reminds me of how irys addressed her share of homobeggars, she did bring the topic of the collab dilemma and worded her response so vaguely too (hell there's probably still a few of them coping because she didn't say "no") and look how she turned out
once this collab ban is lifted, all of EN3's training wheels are off and we'll what see they're capable of

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
>>54648977
>Cries very easily
>Tells you to respect her collab choices
She's going to plan a collab with Tempus and have a menhera episode where she cries about the handful of hate comments she saw and cancel the stream for dramatic effect. Afterwards we'll have another culture war with homobeggers and unicorns. Post-2021 EN was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54648377
Just goes to show that she is 100% nepod
There is absolutely no fucking way that she auditioned with this character and made it through

[Anonymous No.]

>>54649128
It's cunts like you why people take out their hatred on the vtuber.
Kill yourself homobegger scum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54648514
Flayon who the fk is that?
I know Flygon but thats someone else

[Anonymous No.]

>if you wanna be good boyfriends... or good girls
Couldn't even bring herself to call her female viewers girlfriends, this bitch is so anti-yuri she can't even hide her disgusting hetshittery even a little bit. Fucking fujo, get the fuck outta here.

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>>54649381

If shes Moris Nepo hire its over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54649128
>I was like, "Based, based, based, based, based, based, based, based, based, based
Do you cringe at yourself often? Cuz I did on reading this

[Anonymous No.]

Why waste all your time crying over this boytoy when EN got its first feminine streamer debuting in the same day? Shiori being exactly like most of HoloEN means she's the most likely to be embraced by their audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54648012
anyone has the whole vocaroo collection? I need it for... research purposes of course

[Anonymous No.]

>>54649517
PLEASE NO.
I'm holding out hope that she's a Gura nepo hire.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54649535
>>>>it’s first feminine streamer

[Anonymous No.]

>>54649370
>picrel

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>>54648041
So until a holo says something, their stance on collabs is ambiguous. Some argue to avoid causing drama you can just set things straight at debut. But that's the opposite of what she did. It's still fucking ambiguous. All she did was raise a red flag and bring down the mood at the end of her debut. She can fix this in her first post-debut stream by being completely straight with her audience, but I wonder if she was ambiguous on purpose because she was scared of backlash.

[Anonymous No.]

Literally all she had to do was lay it out in the open in a respectful way like Bae did or just shut her mouth.
Not mumble some vague lines about "collabing with friends" that will make shizos go crazy.

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>>54648839
I wouldn't even mind that if her taste wasn't so abjectly shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54649499
>hetshittery
neck yourself bug chaser

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>>54649584
Don’t get your hopes up most of it isn’t her apparently

[Anonymous No.]

>>54649609
So far there's a rrat that she's actually Ame's. Supposedly Shiori worked with l0serbait before. This all came to us in our dreams, of course.

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>>54649370
Jap-san won't let it happen

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>>54649770
I don't need it to be her:)

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>>54649381
Makes sense, with the Mori misguided saviorfag autismo

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>>54647297
The second she collabs with guys, it's over...even her vague statement already hit her yet non existent community. It only can go down from here

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>>54649696
That last part really really brought down the mood and partly ruined the entire debut imo...

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>>54648819
>Have any other girls had it this bad but recovered afterwards?
ame. she even asked for advice post debut

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>>54649696
Well, if she's /here/ (and I genuinely don't care what people say, more vtubers lurk here than they will ever fucking know, it's been proven time and time again), she will have 100% checked in after her debut to see what peoples opinions of her are like. So now she'll have a taste of the sort of backlash she'll get if she does decide to collab with males. It's brutal but that's how it is. If she isn't prepared to deal with that she can easily set the record straight and reassure people that that won't happen.

I hope she goes that route. We've had plenty of girls who used to stream with other males stop it when they joined Hololive and they're all successful and happy.

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>>54648932
>X page
nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
>She can collab with anyone if she wants to!
Anon I don't feel good...

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>>54648041
>Every holo girl had dirt you could dig up on them before they became Holos.
This so much, this SO FUCKING MUCH. There are videos of Marine chatting with males and expressing her interest in wanting to watch men ejaculating. What has that 'past' done to her? She has become the most popular in all of Hololive.
People really need to chill the fuck out and check their preconceptions at the god damn door.

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>>54649962
Miko and Subaru used to do so when they just started out in Hololive, no? I think it's fair to say the route they've chosen since then has done them wonders.

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>>54649962
We both know that she will do it anyway and then cry about the backlash like Mori.

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>>54649535
because she's flat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54650090
>>54650096
The thing is that they didn't push GFE. If it was rushia on the other hand... Well, we all know how that went.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
MY COPE: respecting her collab choices means also respecting when she chooses not to collab with males, and is a message to homobeggars all along.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54649709
>>54649350
These.
She really fucked up because she brought the topic of collabs up and then said something so fucking vague that any side can take it and use it for or against their cause. It was literally the worst thing she could have actually done. I legit think it was worse than outright saying she'd collab with males even though that is a dumb thing to do too when you get the golden ticket to join Hololive.

If she's not a retard she'll fucking fix this asap and clear things up

[Anonymous No.]

>>54650090
The preconceptions are what makes them have 200k subs with 1 stream.
Throwing it away would mean leaving her as a 2view shitter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54650090
The hate she's getting has nothing to do with her past. It's all coming from what she showed us yesterday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54650228
god that's a nice cope, mind if I smoke a bit of it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54650286
sure nigga. lets pray cope becomes reality

[Anonymous No.]

>>54648041
I don't know if you noticed but most of the hate threads suddenly disappeared and now most of the Shiori catalog threads are positive.
It was an obvious raid attempt by the same exact Hololive antis who spend 20 hours per day samefagging in /hlgg/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54650374
>most of the Shiori catalog threads are positive
blind nigger

[Anonymous No.]

Don't really care how much /vt/ loses its shit, I'll watch her to see if she's entertaining enough to follow and if she starts collabing with males I'll just drop her, its that simple
You doomposting retards are making a mountain out of a mole hill, its just one chuuba and yet you faggots are acting like she's already your potential oshi who per-emtively "betrayed" you. How are you still not used to dropping bad actors, especially in EN?
Oh who am I kidding its probably just seething 2views who didn't get in, trying to stir shit by going after the weakest link

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>>54647718
Of-course it has to be vague bro. She wants to avoid confrontation and needles drama. If she straight up said she was gonna collab with homos and there's nothing anybody can do about it you know there'd be people right now sending her death threats. lmao

But she did well if homo collabs are part of her plan. People will stop caring and leave her alone like they did with Mori and Kronii. There was blowback at first but now no one cares. Although now they do have to beg for people to buy their merch.

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>>54648514
Well I would too.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't care if she will collab with males or not. I love my Shiori~n and always will!

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>>54648251
You don't have to be a pebble to see that Bijou debut was actually amazing, not even compared to Shiori, but in general. The contrast between the two was just too big.

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>>54650228
best part is, it could actually be that BECAUSE WHAT SHE SAID WAS SO FUCKING VAGUE AND NONSENSICAL THAT I CAN'T FOR THE LIFE OF ME MAKE SENSE OUT OF IT

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>>54649664
Nobody would argue anyone in Myth is feminine. Maybe you could argue Fauna but she generally downplayed it in the past at least. If feminine means "will suck a dick for the loose change in your pocket" then you'd have a few others.

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>>54650648
It does feel like it's a bigger controversy to say you don't want to collab with males more than the opposite. Casual EN vtubing fandom is chock full of homobeggars and covert nijiniggers after all. I understand why she had to be vague.

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>>54650228
>>54650648
This exactly, its my cope and also the cause of my worries atm...

I do like her but also afraid to invest in her when its so fucking vague and having to drop her if homocollab happens is more of a pain at that stage...

[Anonymous No.]

I'll give her a chance, but the things she likes doesn't fill me with a lot of confidence

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>>54648819
ame's was a disaster, kiara was annoying with the whole saying everything in japanese after saying it in english.
honestly i skipped EN gen 2 and haven't been much on /vt/ since it was created, so seeing people saying shiori had a bad debut is a bit suprising, guess gen 2 set the bar high?

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>>54650810
That is true, like PPT who didnt even say it in english got some twitter and redditors into full meltdown mode.

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>>54650810
Why would she care about faggots like that? You only have to take one look at tempiss to see that they don't watch streams or buy merch.
Basically the only people that watch them were the people that watched starsJP in the first place.

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>>54650936
No, the evolution of the vtubing world in general set the bar higher. Myth were starting from blank so their debuts being far from perfect is excusable.

But I do agree that it wasn't a bad debut for Shiori

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>>54648819
Fauna and Mumei came back so hard over time.
Mumei's especially was actual sleeping pills

[Anonymous No.]

>>54650705
IRyS is the most feminine woman alive

[Anonymous No.]

>>54651174
>If feminine means "will suck a dick for the loose change in your pocket" then you'd have a few others.
Really? Where does the line start??

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>>54651047
Mby she wanted to avoid drama cuz if the "cry easily" part is correct I could see that.
But through that attempt she created another drama instead with poor choice of words (perhaps)

[Anonymous No.]

Is it just me or is Shiori's voice kind of unbearable to listen to? It has a weird screechy quality and I've noticed she does vocal fry at the end of some phrases, which is aggravating to the ears.

[Anonymous No.]

Regardless of what happens, it's absurd that there are people who aren't even giving her a chance. Not one week, not one stream. Two sentences mindbroke a bunch of retards into relentless shitposting.

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>>54649609
>Gura nepo hire
Gura legit doesn't have friends to Nepo hire to begin with, she is not as well connected in the VTubbing community as the others in Myth.

Either way, doubt this was a nepo hire, more like Cover liked her gib and exp and went with her.

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>>54648819
IRyS had people talking shit about her model, but she 100% agreed with them so I don't think it would really hurt her feelings

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>>54651418
I wasnt a fan first 10-15min or so but it grew on me.
Some abnormalities in her voice in debut could be from intense pressure and stress though, I wont rly judge her voice until 2nd and 3rd stream.

[Anonymous No.]

I just assume she took the advice and was upfront about her intentions so no need to stick around. She doesn't have to join hololive to hang with her friends but hey, she got in, good for her, hope it works out. Got more than enough chuubas to watch already anyway.

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>>54651514
It sucks some people aren't giving her a second chance, but that's life. It's why making a good first impression is so important in general.

[Anonymous No.]

So confused bros.
If I where her and I took a step back to look at my debut and gem lolis, I'd be like "Okay, these people fucking H A T E even the thought of collabing with males, they're going ballistic because they thought I said I would collab with them and they love gem lolis debut stream because she only acknowledged the holo girls specifically when bringing up future collabs. Therefore I will set the record straight in my next stream, I'll put their minds at ease and everything should be good"
And you know something? Everything would be good after that.

I cannot fathom how the girls who stubbornly wanna throw away their tickets to success all because they're too proud to do what the fans want. Look at Bae, she works hard as fuck, but she made her bed when she said she wants to collab with males so despite all her work she's still the lowest performer in her branch.
Why oh why would you put added stress on your shoulders for no reason other than to collab with males? I don't fucking get it. Then these mother fuckers act as if their life has no purpose if they can't collab with males, get the fuck out of here. You wanna get a BF behind the scenes where nobody knows about it? Go the fuck ahead, if nobody knows nobody cares and nobody does need to know, but on screen as your character make sure you're keeping as many of your fans happy as possible. Happy fans = you have a better time and you get paid more to boot. Why even risk that shit just for the chance to play with males? Nigger what.
Women blow my fucking mind with how retarded they are sometimes.

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>>54651514
Most people will still give her a chance, we are in hyperbole phase. They will observe her every word tho.

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>>54649350
What the fuck are you talking about, there was nothing vague about what IRyS said, she told the homobeggars to fuck off as strongly as she could while being diplomatic about it to not cause drama

[Anonymous No.]

>female
>wants to have babies and get married
>4chan is surprised she wants to collab with males
It is what it is: nature. Just enjoy her for what she does without making her your oshi, it's that easy.

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>>54648357
you niggas watched 45 minutes of content and already judge based on it, you're pathetic. doomposter faggots like you should not belong here, and it's this kind of reasoning that created the mano aloe situation.

support the talents of get the fuck off, as easy as that. don't watch if you don't want to, no one is forcing your fag ass.

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>>54651814
ppl getting into Holo and feeling the need to play with their irl friends on WORK TIME baffles me honestly

like bitch if you got a job at Walmart would you also ask your manager if your 2 random buddies could come by and hang with you on WORK TIME?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54651853
>check archive
>not a pasta

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>>54651818
This.
Don't bring up collabs then be vague about it. That's a death sentence for such a hot topic that has 2 very opposing sides.
Bijou brought it up and specified right off the bat she wanted to collab with hololive girls.
Shiori brought it up then left everybody confused and unsure as to what her intentions where and so everybody assumed the worst.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54649398
>It's cunts like you why people take out their hatred on the vtuber.

No, that just means you're retarded. Why is it hard just not to attack a person and don't watch them. It very easy to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54651853
>>54652075
playing a character for a few hours per week is just too much to ask, can't do it

[Anonymous No.]

>>54652198
Brother, if you want an echo chamber of positivity go to reddit. Genuinely don't understand why you're here complaining about people shitposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54650228
>a message to homobeggars
It 100% isn't as they don't tend to be the ones going on any mass harassment efforts. After all, they don't really exist in any real number.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54651853
You seem to have alot of thoughts on the HoloEN girls that collab with males, what are your thoughts on HoloJP and HoloID members?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54652552
She WILL get them, they will be asking for homo collabs starting with her first, mark my words and keep a watch on her first few superchat streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54649128
Neck yourself twitter troon

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
You never, NEVER lecture your audience,no matter the business you never take a pretentious imaginary high moral ground and lecture them nor do you act as if you have something to prove to educate them or whatever.

Not only her debut was boring and wasted, but being condescending to her potential fans on top of that?, no, she fucked up, it's that simple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54651853
Especially funny when Holostars have, at best, as many subs as those girls RIGHT AFTER THEIR DEBUT. It's not even good for reaching some big audience. It's just hubris. Who else is there, some indies with even less audience? E-celebs that aren't vtubers? Unless you are collabing like Jerma, nobody cares, and you are only hurting yourself. And sure I'm mostly focusing on numbers right now, but those girls are fresh off debut, that's something they have to care about too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54652671
>what are your thoughts on HoloJP and HoloID members?
I don't have any thoughts on them, I don't watch them

[Anonymous No.]

>>54652871
>Laying ground rules is lecturing the audience

[Anonymous No.]

>>54651853
the retarded girls that do those collabs want to 'stick it to the haters' so they commit career suicide to do that just so the sisters will say 'yasss queen slaaaaaay' to them all the while their numbers go down the shitter.

[Anonymous No.]

Whore like kronii is a red flag

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe she should have joined nijisanji if she didn't want to be criticized, or have anyone have stakes at her, or want to put any effort

[Anonymous No.]

>>54652871
It's the choice of words too. Imagine reactions if instead of "I won't tolerate disrespect" she was like "I want to collab with various people, some you might not like, but [chat] p-please be gentle" and everyone would meme the last part more than feeling hurt at implications.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54652057
I've heard all these things already. I turned out right and copers turned out wrong every single time. Yes, I won't be watching because I don't want to. That's not stopping me from shitting on her on /vt/ for applying to Hololive with her attitude. "Support the talents or fuck off" is nijisanji approach. It only works if the talents and assigned managers are interested in their own and corporate success and work together well enough which isn't a good bet.
Hololive way is adhering to standards. "Me and my friends will do whatever the fuck we want and you are here to watch if you happen to like it enough" is a nice mindset for an indie with 20 regular viewers. If you want blue dorito noombers and money you ought to at least try to fit in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54652762
Already seen ppl in comment sections be like "omg she should collab with Magni when he is back it would be amazing"
Fucking beggars are worse than hardcore unicorns

[Anonymous No.]

Massive waste of a slot in this gen. Over 700 days. For this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54648251
Bijou is not a woketard common western white woman so yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>54648529
>>54648620
>>54649466
b..but he is part of hololive too guys...

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647497
I think her debut was ok, is just that it pales in comparison with Bijou debut, hers was way too good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54652951
Yes, her attitude was that poor regarding the subject, sure she was nervous and what not but that's why people didn't like what she did.

>>54653110
This is a nice example too, a bit of modesty would have done her statement a lot of good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54653209
Yes because unicorns know their demands are negative (even if they are valid and true to their feelings)
Beggars on the other hand think they are doing "social justice" and can state their demands freely

[Anonymous No.]

>>54651514
Is the debut suddenly not a stream? Second chances have to be earned, otherwise you'll just accept everyone shitting in your mouth.

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't had time to watch either debut yet but can I get a QRD on why the loli's debut is being regarded as a masterpiece and why shioris is being shit on?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54648251
>It's really obnoxious
but also true

[Anonymous No.]

>go to sleep
>wake up
>holofans are now deflecting any criticism as stemming from "nijisanji"
the fuck happened

[Anonymous No.]

There's literally no reason to have a serious talk about collabs if it isn't male collabs, stop with your cope and just prepare yourself for it...if you want to accept her this way that's fine but don't cry later saying she lied to you or some shit like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647497
Anon I have bad news for you if Gen1&2 are anything to go by and seeing how she's known about this place since for ever. Just hope her gen mates and the other gens are consoling her well enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54653309
>b..but he is part of hololive too guys..
That is factually incorrect, he is part of Hololive Production, not Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54653826

Have you ever heard the doctrine "Victory requires no explanation. Defeat allows none." Thats what happenng right now with Shiori and Gemmy. Guess who pulled the short straw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54649128
>sentient hands thought up and typed out this post

[Anonymous No.]

>>54653637
Shiori's was bland, just some slides talking about what she likes and ending with the "I collab with whoever I want" bit to make it worse, in comparison Bijou was creative with a lot of fun moments and interactions with chat, it was a brutal moging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54653826
I think you mean Holo-antis. Nobody who likes Hololive defends this homoshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54653841
Why did she have to be fucking vague about it though

[Anonymous No.]

>>54653841
Unicorns are not the brightest, all they have is impotent rage, the second I mention this they start dismissing all criticism and start calling me sister or some shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54653637
Bijou played into being a loli because that's what her character is and she knows that a lot of people who are going to watch her are going to be into lolis, she respected hololive tradition and her senpais (didn't try to reinvent the wheel or go against the flow for no reason), she put a lot of emphasis on establishing her fanbase and making people want to be her fans, she has good humor and her debut was just well thought out in general.
I was pleasantly surprised with it. Subbed to her immediately afterwards.

Shiori's was...well, the immediate elephant in the room is her voice just doesn't match the model. Then, her presentation felt confusing, like she didn't know what she wanted to do. It had elements of GFE but then there was the confusion at the end with regards to collabing and who she'd be collabing with. She had a husbando list, which I mean for me didn't bother me but others it did. Sorry I'm probably doing a really bad job at describing this, it's just the whole video left me confused, i don't feel like I learned much about her and at times it felt awkward. Like she has this really chill waiting screen + music but then when the video starts she says (also in a chill voice) "is that all you guys have, you can do better than that get hyped more" or something along those lines and it just felt so fucking awkward. I dunno man, I think it was a bit of a train wreck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647611
rent free

[Anonymous No.]

>>54654272
>sentient
>hand
What the fuck... he's here!

[Anonymous No.]

>>54654437
>"is that all you guys have, you can do better than that get hyped more" or something along those lines and it just felt so fucking awkward.
that part was def weird, idk what she was thinking there desu

[Anonymous No.]

POV: You watching Shiori's weekly collab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54649686
This is so funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>54654548
it's just a cringe act joke

[Anonymous No.]

>>54654437
>"is that all you guys have, you can do better than that get hyped more"
LMAO come on, there's no way she pulled that shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>54649931
That's not what happened at the livechat though, maybe it's just (You)

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
a Connor 2.0 is coming

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine you apply to Hololive, buy you pretty much have to compete with this creature that has been around even before the term Vtuber existed, and still remains the same uninteresting basic whore from basically 5 years ago?

HOLOLIVE, STOP HIRING FAMOUS PEOPLE, I WANNA SEE NOBODIES FOR GOODNESS SAKE

[Anonymous No.]

>>54653978
She's the one who is definitely, 100% confirmed /here/ at least going by her past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54653637
Shiori
>model/voice/personality mismatch
>overall boring
>lists husbandos and ends on vague collab red flag while telling chat that "she won't tolerate disrespect" which was like ???
Bijou
>memes and humor could be hit and miss but it was clear she had things thought out
>magical girl henshin animation was a kino addition
>cute, funny
>the last 10 minutes or so was her drawing a pebble as chat self insert, and asking people to share their own pebbles on Twitter - immediate community engagement
The only thing you could complain here was Bijou being interested in playing Apex, even if just for collab bait with other girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54654393
These girls can't just go "Oh yeah I'm going to Collab with males if you don't like it stay mad" at the end of every stream this shit is insane drama buff you need to take hints, Bijou going "hololive girls" every 10 seconds is pretty much a guide that she is a cgdct safe Holo while with Shiori you need to be prepared for the unexpected

[Anonymous No.]

>>54654650
>Expecting live chat to shit on her to her face
Have you ever interacted with another human? people will try to be cordial and even praise you just so you don't feel bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54649143
That what the voices in your head tell you? Back to the asylum retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>54654548
it felt to me like it was supposed to be some sort of yandere/menhera rp, but the execution was very awkward

[Anonymous No.]

>>54653622
I'm giving you a second chance to make a decent post right now. Don't disappoint me.

[Anonymous No.]

Her voice does not suit the model. I was expecting Kronii v2, but she seems to suit a cutesier character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54651514
Anon, she has been doing content for nearly 10 years. There are no excuses

[Anonymous No.]

>>54654838
>With Shiori you need to be prepared for the unexpected
I mean...is that not the true menhera goth gfe people were asking for? This IS what you wanted, right anons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54653112
I worry for humanity's upbringing if people like you whine like a bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54654844
Unfortunately (You) don't represent the entirety of a chatroom do you? Stop projecting so much, it's because of that you ended up throwing a hissyfit because she did not meet your expectations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54655213
Fix your ESL and come again

[Anonymous No.]

>>54655349
If you got nothing to say then don't bother. I've already accepted your concession faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>54653322
I actually just started watching it, and I have constant smile on my face, which wasn't with Shiori desu, I didn't hate it, but I was just listening what she had to say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
As more and more time passes, I'm becoming convinced that all you need to succeed as a female vtuber is to please two fanbases: Unicorns and the yurifags. Shiori already messed with both of them in her fucking debut, she's fucked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54654799
Good summary

[Anonymous No.]

I think these new en tubers wreak of overdesign again. We still haven't had a good follow up to myth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54655190
I'm not into NTR

[Anonymous No.]

>>54653112
holy based

[Anonymous No.]

>>54655435
Good luck with your internet victory points?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54655476
Problem is, those two fanbases are very linked too. There are a lot of Unis that are yurifags and lot of yurifags that are unis.

[Anonymous No.]

I just wanted an archiving waifu while I archive my archiving waifu...

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
well, you should probably wait for a stream that isn't the debut, yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
I will plap instead of tink

[Anonymous No.]

>>54653978
We will see what kind of choice will she pick then. Go full Kronii own the haters, or go full girls collabs, or just something that she wants herself and won't be swayed by people being upset.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54655476
>I'm becoming convinced that all you need to succeed as a female vtuber is to please two fanbases: Unicorns and the yurifags.
Congratulations, you are correct. That is indeed all you need to do, yet somehow women have an incredibly difficult time not lusting for other males cocks infront of their fans.
You satisfy the unicorn and yurifags, you win and that's especially true if you make it into Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
She loves dick. What do you think she's gonna do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54655916
These whores care more about sending a fucking "message" than money. Good for them they can rot in 2view hell for all I care.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54655523
For me, it's Mito, Ui, Moe, Korone and Kronii (design only).
Everything recently has been very overdesigned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54655443
i made this post

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
Her thinking it was OK to lecture everyone is the problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656116
No, you silly anon, I did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656142
I hope she never reads here, every single one of you are so vile with contempt. You guys even human? Seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656412
>I hope she never reads here
She has been on 4chan longer than you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54649381
She's 100% nepo/scouted. She said it herself someone from Cover called her for the position

[Anonymous No.]

>>54650539
Hi deadbeat

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
Dont care. If a sandwich restaurant opens up and says "all our sandwiches are made without salt and use ice cream as sauce, no exceptions", you are free to do that but im not gonna go there to eat. Same here, she can do what she wants but she is selling something , that something is fake intimacy, if she sells bad quality fake intimacy then im gonna go somewhere else. Western chuubas still people like them because they are oh so interesting and dont understand that their audience is primarily loser men with extra income. Any chuuha here if you ever go somewhere, lets say a store like Target and you see some guy who clearly looks sad, no gf next to him, clearly a loser and you go "ugh" and you get the "ick", that's your audience, that's who's watching you. Successful men in a happy relationship are not wasting their time watching fucking random women pretend to be anime girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656412
I hope she does, so she knows how to save her fucking channel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
>what if she literally had absolutely 0 intention of collabing with males?

You retards didn't realize she was shit the moment she opened her mouth? That tryhard voice acting was a dead give away, she didn't interact with the audience and instead acted like a talking head reading from a script. No wonder the filipino loli was given the budget for an animated intro, she at least had enough talent to do the bare minimum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
I don't care, her personality is shit and I won't be watching her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656504
This. She will feel like shit from reading this, it's true, but it will only be a temporary bad feeling that will pave her way to being a great chuba. All this nastiness right now? It can all be fixed. EASILY.
She can clear up the confusion and everything would be peachy. It would do her a world of good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
She smells so much like NijiEN, I won't be watching her. I hope I'm wrong, but the husbando list and the collab stuff just ruined her for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656488
I legit think a lot of this girls think their audience are made up of successful married men or something. In their head some doctor comes home and says to his wife "Hi honey, i had agreat day, lets relax by watching Gawr Gura". JP chubas at least seem aware their audience are lonely loser men, and are sympathetic to that. Western ones think they are some kind of new late night show host, with their audience being varied amount of regular people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54655190
A true goth gf would be more disinterested, reading her drama, philosophical, and poetry books while having no friends except for the one genki girl childhood friend who drags her out occasionally. She would be apathetic toward her relationship with me, her boyfriend, barely maintaining it by hanging out occasionally and having sex with me for my birthday, valentine's day, and the one random day she felt unusually horny. However, she would avoid ever doing anything to piss me off because she likes me and doesn't want to be completely alone, and also doesn't think she could ever be bothered to get another boyfriend if we broke up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656812
Husbando is fine, i hate yurishitters (yes i watch very few chuubas because of that) but the collab thing rubbed me the wrong way. Dont lecture me on first fucking stream, what is wrong with western girls damn. Bitch if i was some chad motherfucker you think i would be watching you in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54654650
It was last 4min of the stream, you expect ppl to quickly whip up a wall of text and send it in that 125k+ ccv chat?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656617
Her trailer had no animation like the others (just a slideshow of her various emotions), which was weird at the time, but now we can assume she asked for splitting the budget for her henshin animation instead. If that's even how their budgeting works, but would make sense. Either way good move, it was really cute, and she listed Madoka for her favs so we can expect more magical girl references in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656028
that has been proven false anon kys

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656983
I was there in the last 4 minutes of the stream, I honestly think you're full of shit buddy

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
It's fucking impressive how bad this debut.
She managed to fuck with the two fanbases she shouldn't fuck with.
Husbando list(Yurifags didn't like this)
Collab shit(Unicorns didn't like this)
This might just be the worst debut in Holo history.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
i finally got time to check her debut, now i see whats the meme about, i feel happy for her, i genuinely thought she was going to quit entirely, she was so depressed the last months, at least i have a reason to watch hololive again, there is only 3 legends more from the "old school" media they can pick up, lets see if cover can figure it out how to do it; i hope the ggn sisters are next, i hope... please let it happen...

[Anonymous No.]

>>54657075
Yurishitters need to be fucked with because they ruin everything. But yes the collab stuff was weird.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54654799
Listing husbandos is one thing, picking the worst of the worst from genshin is a whole new level.
His schizo fanbase runs rampant because his sales are low

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656488
>Successful men in a happy relationship are not wasting their time watching fucking random women pretend to be anime girls.
This.
But.
Unironically.

These dumb fucks seem to think that aristocrats and high value bachelors are watching their shit. These girls aren't even that good looking IRL, they're fucking dogshit at video games, they cannot sing for shit and they're not very interesting, but, intimacy makes them interesting. People watch their shit and enjoy it because the chuuba is being intimate and open with their fans.
So when they start getting too full of themselves and whoring themselves out to other streamers, they alienate their primary fans. And for fucking what? To 'own' them? They're the people they're fucking marketing to. They're who are lining their pockets. The whole point of their market is to appeal to that very crowd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54657181
Whether you like it or not, Yurifags are a big part of this fanbase, fucking with them will just make you lose money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54657048
>you expect ppl to quickly whip up a wall of text and send it in that 125k+ ccv chat?
What part did I say that is "full of shit" anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54657244
>they cannot sing for shit
Skill issue. Vsinger oshi (no not your corpo vsinger, the real ones you find in the vsinger thread) can sing excellently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656110
Baelz also channels myth energy. I think the biggest issue is unclear theming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54657419
But there are some corpo vsingers in vsinger thread...

[da wose No.]

I don't mean this as a knock against her at all and she should be able to collab with whomever she wants (within reason, no shit like Luca/Mysta/Vox/Uki please) but her tastes, her voice, her stance on collabs... Everything kind of screams "NijiEN" to me. Like she got lost on her way to Nijisanji and stumbled into Hololive or something (Like mentioning her Genshin/Honkai husbandos when she's in a company that's almost certainly blacklisted by Mihoyo). She's really lucky to be in Hololive and I'm sure she'll learn the ropes and that most people aren't insane enough to bat an eye at what she said but that's just the impression I got of her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656824
But that's the case with Gura we even had a moment where some Guy talked about doing just that. Similarly Mori has her Oil barons and Kiara's KFP army is something too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
I'll give her a chance. If she wants to collab with a male I'm out though, immediately.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656824
You really can tell the funding they get with that bullet chat extension set to show donations. Some depraved fuckers in there. Mostly autism bucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54650374
A positive raid doesn't mean there is not negative sentiment internchama

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647727
>base is barefoot
>summer version wears sandals
this never fails to piss me off desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
No can do, Mori already revealed she is /here/ and read all of your schizoposts. She is now undergoing theraphy due to shock with my dick. Help, she wont quit since the dubut aaaaaaaahhh

[Anonymous No.]

>>54650374
my opinion has not changed, doesn't matter what's spammed on the catalog

[Anonymous No.]

>>54657354
My mistake but it's the fact that you think people might've left a lot of rude comments in the last 4 minutes which didn't really happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54657075
Nah, nothing will ever top the disaster that was Mr Koro's debut, if only for the simple reason that Cover have become a lot more professional since then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54653112
based as fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>54651514
I just don't want male collabs, never liked them, never asked for them, why is it hard to do?

[Anonymous No.]

I think it's better (and also sends a clearer message) to give her a chance and drop her once she collabs with males, than to not give her a chance at all because there's the potential she might someday collab with males.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54651514
Honestly, most of this is just dramaniggers shitstirring. Unfortunately for Shiori, she literally gave them the perfect ammunution since her statement on collabs was vague enough that it could be interpreted in a number of different ways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54657244
The people obsessed with putting down the fans are mainly outsiders. The reason the streamers do it is just a shaming tactic or tantrum because
>they want to leech from others
>they want to let their friends leech from them
>they want to have more fun doing their job
and that's pretty much it. Almost all of them would be willing to sacrifice it for the sake of having a good job, but many simply don't believe it's necessary and give in to their own desires.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
Nijifag and phase shitposters are the bane of these boards.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not sure if I like this new Nijikek deflection tactic of antiing a girl right after debut

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
>i mean nothing has even happened yet
no she said her piece now i won't be watching her. not saying i would anti her mind you, it is simply i am not in her preferred fanbase

[Anonymous No.]

>>54655142
So true, Nijisister!

[Anonymous No.]

>>54659367
Shiori would be a perfect fit for NijiEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
I believe she says this because she equates Hololive's fandom with the ferocious Nijisanji fandom, which consistently attacks fandoms of all genders (such as Mysta).

She was worried about future collaborations with her female indie friends, the Hololive fanbase will assault them and refer to them as leeches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
>i mean nothing has even happened yet.
Bijou's debut happened, and her stance on collabs is clear it just makes Shiori look that much worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
I don’t trust her

[Anonymous No.]

>>54658598
No I never meant that, that happened. My bad if I was unclear about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>54659141
I agree but the thing is, this can of worms has been opened now already for her, so she, at least in my opinion, has no real choice but to address it and give a clear answer for her intentions with regards to collabing.
I don't feel comfortable dropping money on her if she's gonna pull a Kronii on me in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54659141
Agree, I'll just see how she carries herself forward.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54659292
Anything they can do to damage Hololive. They see their hugely popular debuts and immediately start seething.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54659445
You wish Nijikek lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>54659227
Thanks for acknowledging that phase fans exists, holobro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54659586
No. I don't. We already have Enna and Aia and I wish we didn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656874
mentally ill

[Anonymous No.]

>>54659521
100% this, I dont wanna invest too hard if im not sure what to expect.
And I rather not experience what the kroniies went through way over 1y post debut...

[Anonymous No.]

>>54659748
Honest question, whats the deal with Aia? How is she so crazy unpopular?
I'd honestly love a tl;dr if possible

[Anonymous No.]

>>54661216
Muh husbandos nerdy weeb girl with boring voice and no good stream ideas. She tries at least I guess but she just doesn't have the talent for this kind of entertainment (used to do make up tutorials to get numbers in previous life).

[Anonymous No.]

Considering the way she glazed over her taste in (audio)books, games and cartoons, she strikes me as a pickme who just put the most generic "goth gf" answers for each category. Compared to her PL's interests that really says a lot. Very fake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
Time will tell OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>54648819
Kiara's had schizos losing their minds over her for years running at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647297
I'm new to Holo so I just learned about the little anti-idol resistance unit formed within the corpo comprised of Mori, Kronii, Bae and Ceres. Given the circumstances existing within Holo right now no quarter can be given to homobeggars. She should have known better. I unsubbed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54661530
naruhodo, thank you!

[Anonymous No.]

>>54662407
Mori, Kronii, Bae and AME. Do more reps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54662540
How can Ame be anti-idol when she's Gura's closest friend within HoloEN? The proximity of Ame to Gura worries me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54662407
>Ceres
Fauna doesn't do male collabs but she has a bizarre contempt for her fans. I wouldn't lump her in with Mori, Kronii, and Bae.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54647497
>vtubing for 5+ years
>n-nah she was just nervous
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>54662716
>she has a bizarre contempt for her fans
really?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54662716
>>54662835
omg! gossip time!

[Anonymous No.]

>>54648261
Funny, I was doing a watchalong with a chuuba for the debuts and she also said having Scaramouche as a favorite was a red flag. I never touched Genshin, so I have no idea why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54662407
Replace Fauna with Ame and there you go. Fauna has never collab'd with males. She just made a yab other friend semantics. Probably influenced by the other girls crying like Kronii.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54662716
>she has a bizarre contempt for her fans
Not at all. Just one accident that resulted more from her inability to explain what she had in mind, and then people blowing it out of proportion here forever, but I will be called a delusional sapling for trying to explain that simple thing.

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>>54647297
What if you just need to shut up and take your goddamned meds.
I hope she collabs with random dudes the moment she's allowed to collab at all just because it will bother you, even though you have no reason to care. Get a motherfucking grip.

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>>54663034
She shouldn't have given that question the time of day considering it had the word simp in it and it referred to her fans as such. The whole yab could have been avoided.

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>>54651133
>No, the evolution of the vtubing world in general set the bar higher.
The "bar" that has been set here is that schizos for some reason have decided that the end-all of all vtubing is convincing your favorite streamer to never acknowledge men in any capacity. Literally everything else is optional. It's not even "idolshit" since EN viewers simply don't care about idol activities as seen by how the recent concerts have barely gotten viewers. It's complete obsession with men, nothing else. Now we watch these new debutants and scrape their words for anything that we can use to put them into a category based on that. Shiori has some collabs planned and would like everyone to be respectful? Whore. Bijou says she wants to "collab with all hololive GIRLS?" Holy based, she's literally perfect. That's all there is to it.

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>>54662716
She loves her fans. Nothing better than an ATM and no attached feelings.

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>>54647297
She sounds familiar, does she have any roommates?

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>>54663190
I agree. I believe she had good intentions, just fumbled it hard.

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>>54650228
This, I've seen through her act, Shiori is really one of us.

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>>54663313
Name a male collaber in Hololive who is otherwise good

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>>54647823
braindead coomer

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>>54655891
We dont need no dyke nijitroons anymore

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>>54647297
>cucked her fanbase not even a month of debut
>NTR tuber of Holo.

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>>54659521
>I don't feel comfortable dropping money on her if she's gonna pull a Kronii on me in the future.
Yeah, I think that's fair. As soon as money is involved it's logical to be more cautious.

I personally just give her two months and if she hasn't acknowledged the homos in that time, or at least hasn't shown any indication of wanting to collab with males, I'll deem her safe enough.

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>>54647297
Ok i'll watch if you clarify next stream, shiori.

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Mental illness thread

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>>54663733
You don't have to read if you don't like it.

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>>54647391
This. It's a strange thing to say, especially in a debut, but since it could range from a nothing burger all the way the third impact I choose to wait and see.
Aside from that based on her debut and her planned content I probably will only occasionally watch her anyway.

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>>54650810
YWNBAW

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>>54650228
Moe collab with males before anon

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>>54662644
Man, when ame and gura eventually retire, I want them to collaborate on something.

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>>54664493
Yeah my penis

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>>54653978
More like everyone knows this place is a fucking joke

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>>54652671
ID is allowed to collab with males because ID girls are pure until marriage by default

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>>54665862
So true sis. Tempus and NijiEN thriving.

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>>54663525
Fubuki?

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>>54654393
>Why did she have to be fucking vague about it though
Tempus/Holostars is part of HoloPro so they can mention them during their debut while male indie vtubers probably are off limits. That would explain why she acted like some viewers would be upset with some of her collabs but couldn't give a reason.

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>>54662723
I'm sure during those 5 years she would atleast monthly get stream with 125k people watching her, where expectations of her are very high? You should kys instead dumb nigger monkey.

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If she doubles down she will never pass 600k subs, mark my words. Lowest councils are just 750k now, and the market stagnates. Bijou is 800k-1m potential in similar time frame if she keeps up her energy, twins depend on what level of English we will get, but could be similar, Nerissa is a mystery right now.

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>>54665862
YWNBAW

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>>54666625
Yeah Nerissa is the big unknown.
If the prediction is correct the singing skill is there.
I think she has the potential to be quite good and Bijou went out of her way to say she likes her.

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>>54666564
>oh no number big but I'm still not looking at anyone
Fucking retard

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I hope she fucks Axel so you retards seethe

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>>54668358
Why are cuckbeats like this?

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>>54659004
Is it so hard for you to be respectful and give someone a chance?
>b-b-but males
That's not a fucking excuse anon
You let those faggots live in your head rent free to a point that even a mild statement about friends and respect leaves you mindbroken
Look at yourself for a moment and think about this

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>>54667453
>>54668358

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>>54669042
All her friends are male. This is not a joke. You look at yourself and think why you are trying so hard to cope and make people watch a girl they will inevitably drop as a rock at some point.