Respect my collab choices

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>Respect my collab choices
Oh no no no

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YABBA
DABBA
DOO!

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>>54617262
I really really hope she only meant her female indie friends and no one else.

I don't like this either but atleast it beats completely discarding all of her previous friends or playing with them behind everyones back without telling, like some other girls do

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>>54617262
those words will haunt her for the rest of her short stay, unless she clarifies what she meant

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>>54617555
>>54617262
Eat shit and die, Homobeggar

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>mori in chat
what a nightmare. i feel bad because of how amazing bijou was, hope SOMEONE gives her a chance and she does well

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>>54618571
Mori is doing the watchalong tomorrow. Does that mean both debuts are ruined?
>>54617262
>If she is upfront about her collab choices on debut like Bae then it's ok
Any other lies?

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>>54617262
>Bae 2.0
Already the runt of this Gen

[Anonymous No.]

This proves that Hololive doesn't care if chuubas lose their gachikoi contingent if they male-collab. Huge L for unicorns even though I dislike homobeggars as well

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>>54617262
They should make a oshi verification as one of the hiring process, if they write Mori, Kronii, Bae, Ollie, Matsuri and Towa they should be sent to home

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Unsubscribed

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>>54617262
She just wants to collab with Pending. Come on now!

[Anonymous No.]

Mori probably knew

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>>54617262
Owari da

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I'm just glad she's saying this up front to filter out all the mentally ill asylum patients.

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>>54619309
Right. And we hire them, when they say Vesper, Dez, Altare or Axel.

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>>54617262

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>>54620425
If you watch just 5 more clips your beloved homos won't graduate, i promise!

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>>54618695
Where's the lie? She's not going to get any antis from this she's just going to take an early hit to her numbers because people know not to waste their time with her

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>>54620425
Homobeggars aren’t any better.

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>>54620425
The biggest holos pander to those same mentally ill asylum patient, if you don't want to deal with your main clientele then why the fuck did you enter

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>>54617262
ITT: HomoShits SEETHING

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>>54617262
This is sounding like "my body my choices" kek

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>>54620752
>Rough oral correction.
kek, my sides

[Anonymous No.]

>let's have our date teehee~
>btw you better be ok with me seeing other men incel
Why are the EN homo collabers the ones that are most blatant about GFE stuff? I just don't understand it. Pick a fucking lane.

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>>54617262

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Time to rev the clips up

>You have to respect my collab choices
Easy headline, eye catching and already a red flag

Hope it crashes and burns for her.

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>>54620425
This entire industry and genre only exists because of lonely men

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>>54620425
>filter
lol we're not going anywhere

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>respect my collab choices

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>>54622511
QUEEN OF ORAL/vt/

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>>54622511
If nothing else she speedran getting on the list pretty fast. Almost tool assisted.

[Anonymous No.]

>days/hours/minutes/seconds since Homobeggars bitch about girls

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>>54622511
Mori 2.0 already showed her colors, will Kronii 2.0 be the same?

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>>54617262
fucking yikes

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>sisters already trying to take her down
don't you have a vox yab to deflect from?

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>>54622511
she didn't even say that

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>>54617262

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>>54623059
i pray crownii will be the perfect kronii and not acknowledge males

then i can switch my membs from the clock to the bird

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>>54623753
/vt/ told me she did

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>>54619195
At the end of the day HoloTalents are a social experiment. Those who graduate or get terminated failed.

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>>54617262
Dodged a bullet here ! For once I am glad I can't watch because time zone

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>>54617262
If she did a book Collab with Vesper after the debut ban nobody would give a shit but sisters, it makes sense. Talking down to her audience before anything has even happened is just shitty behavior, and it was one of her ending notes too, this was something she wanted to draw emphasis too not just some stupid in the moment autism. Why should I waste time on a girl like that at all, let alone all the shit Indies she's looking forward collabing with over her the company she just joined.
Good boy, bad boy, it's irrelevant, I don't want to be your anything.

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>>54622865
You think most of these Anons are Tempus fans kek I'm pretty sure 88% of them are unicucks

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>>54625819
Politely asking your audience in a non demeaning manor is not talking down your just fragile

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>>54627277
Not being able to read between the lines is a sign of autism anon, you should get that checked out. No matter how she tarts it up she's going into this with a measure of contempt for her viewers.

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>>54627277
The loli didn't do it and I bet the twins wouldn't too, the other one maybe, when only you do it maybe the problem is them not the audience who didn't do nothing yet
It's like you enter a plane and the steward say to not shit on the seat, they aren't talking down to you but it's unnecessary

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>>54617262
Me and Shiori are going to have one HELL OF A TIME when I get back.

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>>54628557
He would be a fool to give up all of the power and knowledge he's gained over the years, but as a fellow wizard, would totally also do it.

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>>54617262
i'm glad she admitted this so i didn't waste my time.

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>>54620425
>t. Mentally ill hypocrite.

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>>54628557
YABBA DABBA DO

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>>54618695
Bae was upfront about liking stars and gushed about them cause she‘s a fan.
Shiori assumed her fans would dislike her collab choices without clarifying why that might be, very differently handled from Bae and far more combative.

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I find it hilarious that people watching cute anime girl streamers are trying to call each other mentally ill.
Like, we know why you're here. The streamers know why their designs are sexy. She knows why she calls it a "date" in the debut.
I prefer people who are honest about their sexual attraction rather than the ones who bend backwards to deny what they are doing.

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>>54631657
No dont you see?
I dont mind male collabs so despite me watching vtubers for most of the day i am actually a well adjusted normie unlike those incel unicorns

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>>54631876
Hard to tell if that's sarcasm or retardation since it's the internet.

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>>54617262
No, I don't think I will.

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>>54631657
Self-conceit is a powerful thing. Many people don't want to admit that they're weeb losers who jerk off to anime girls. It's like people who insist that they read playboy "for the articles".
The thing is that they genuinely believe this to be true. They've successfully brainwashed themselves so they don't have to confront reality. When they then find people who accept their own nature, they get very upset because it reminds them of the truth hidden deep down.

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>>54617262
Imagine being so fucking entitled to drop this line on your debut. Bitch you're here to entertain. You're not doing anyone a favour by streaming, the audience is doing you a favour by spending their time with you. YOU are the one that needs to show respect.

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>>54631657
Her general is legit amazing, reads more like twitter or reddit than anything else.

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>>54617262
her debut was so boring I didn't hear this at all
any timestamp?

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>>54628557
>>54629025
TURN BACK. DON'T GIVE UP ON THE WIZARD LIFE.

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>>54617262
It's so tiresome

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>>54633667
As a wizard myself I can say that unfathomable knowledge and limitless power is nothing compared to not being lonely.

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Did she actually get herself added to the 4x4 of fanbase betrayal on her fucking debut stream?

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>>54618563
isn't karma great? they say the more you gloat the bigger it expands

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>>54632788
>Bitch you're here to entertain
yeah, not people like (You) that's for sure

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>>54622332
Entitlement.
Women in the west have been put on such a pedestal that they expect shit they don't deserve.
Cake and eat it mentality.
The Principles of Hoeflation: (mainly applicable to white women)
>you have to work 20 times as hard as your grandfather did for a woman that's 20 times less quality than your grandmother was
raised in the west asians take to this as well, though since they're in less demand in general there it's funny when they try to play the same game white women do.

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>>54617262
I RESPECC

>>54617555
yess

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This phrase is unironically gonna be this gen's version of "Improve yourself" isn't it

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>>54618302
XD

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>>54634181
Is she going to be someone you particularly support? If so, what are some of the appeals you have noticed?
She is definitely entitled. She just talked about herself without trying to appeal to anything while expecting something from first time viewers who didn't even ask

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>>54636360
>Setting up boundaries makes you entitled

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>>54636360
she seemed like a cute /lit/ dork and I liked the gfe hints, hoping this was just her being an autist and wording things poorly

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>>54620425
>filter out all the mentally ill asylum patients
>converted them into antis instead
Not_a_great_plan.gif

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>>54631543
that's why no one watches Bae

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>>54628557

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>>54618302
Anon, her best friend, pending, the one that shows up in most of her collabs, is male.
Literal soft boy too.

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>>54636473
When nobody else does it, yes

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>>54635678
My oshi became subject over a controversy over half a year ago due to a genuine fuckup. Despite her liking Shiori so far, if it's what it takes for people to move on entirely from my oshi's lapse in judgment entirely, I will anti with the wrath of 1000 unicorns.

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>>54636704
>soft boy
do you mean he's a fag or what exactly

[Anonymous No.]

>Improve yourselves
>Don't you guys have friends!?
>We can't be friends, we SHOULDN'T be friends.
>Respect my Collab choices.

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>>54636839
You'd think unicorns would finally learn something

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>>54637109
Sis... have YOU learned?

[Anonymous No.]

Phase and Idol are so much better at picking up talent than Cover. They got lucky with Gura but most of their picks have been subpar. Meanwhile every girl Phase and Idol pick are so entertaining and lovable. You give them a chance and you are instantly hooked. The EN side of Hololive is a trainwreck and Tempiss didn't help their case either.

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>>54637286
Drinking piss and lying about being single aren't examples of talent, anon

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>>54637248
>Ninji
Not relevant to the thread

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>>54637286
I'm an idol fan and we got Rin so something you're saying isn't adding up

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>>54618302
You just know it will not be girls only or she wouldn't have warned you this bad

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>>54635678
And have you improved yourself in any way since then?

[Anonymous No.]

Shiori or management is deleting dissenting comments.
I made a comment criticising the husbando list and her collab rant right after the debut ended and it was deleted just now, shortly after it started to gain some traction and getting likes.

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>>54637892
>Getting likes
Lemao you would've been shat on my guy

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>>54637248
>Using a Nijicorn as a counter argument
Lol

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>>54637248
vox is a weird person

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>>54637571
As a boobro at least Rin is legitimately entertaining and fits her model (whether that's good or bad is up to you), while this bitch on the other hand doesn't do either

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>>54637951
Eh, any conflict is good.
Let your opinion be heard

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>>54637951
Doubt. The people that would've bothered to downboat him wouldn't have watched the debut but rather waited for the heckin cliperinos of the debut, or just posted in a twitter thread of a screenshot of the debut.

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>>54637951
As if I'd care lmao. It happened with my comment back on Amelia's "improve yourself" stream and I btfo'd every homobeggar including Amelia herself.

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>>54622332
Same reason why the best porn stars have fucked tons of men.

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>>54638062
Not weird, he's just a female Findabbadingdong and hops from opinion to opinion, activity to activity, sometimes even at the same time.
You know the name for this.
Kind of sad to be honest. I liked both early on and both went down the shitter with each of the dumb things they separately did to their communities.

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>>54632788
She is one of the first EN chuubas she is not gonna take shit from a bunch of late comers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54638306
She's iron mouse?

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>>54637415
That sounds better than doing nothing interesting at all and not even pretending to be single.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54635678
Raven girl will do something more controversial.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54637248
>"here's my argument cuck"
>posts a twitter screenshot of a niji
These niggers are fucking retarded dear god

[Anonymous No.]

>>54637248
Glass box?

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>>54636473
she didn't set up any boundary, she just basically said "don't complain about my collab choices" which serves no purpose other than coming off as an annoying red flag to the viewer. What vtuber wants their audience to be disrespectful to their collab partners?

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>>54638658
>Please be respectful
>Setting a rule or boundary
That's literally what she did.

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>>54638782
are you autistic?

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>>54638919
>Vtuber tells you to be nice, kind, respectful, etc
>Literally in the rules of their streams
>Shiori does the same thing asking for the viewers to be respectful
>Somehow it's different
Disprove the above and stop deflecting.

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>>54639008
Context you fucking imbecile. She said to be respectful towards who she collabs with, which is a bizarre specification to make since the only time a collab would cause problems is if it's with a controversial party and lord knows the biggest controversy /here/(which she most definitely is) is males collabing with female vtubers

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>>54638529
anon, being a whore watching cuck is a "you lose" state of any argument, because cucks aren't human and cannot be trusted

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine being told something that you should already be doing regardless. Jakartan and burgers are sad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54639229
Or it could be trans people which many have a negative idea of.

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>>54638919
First you rephrase her words to make it sound like she said something that she didn't and now you throw empty insults at whoever points out you're making shit up.
Stop assuming things and make opinions AFTER you watch somebody for a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54639399
Is Artemis still around?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54638202
>I'm like totally so popular!! Please believe me!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>54639407
found another one

[Anonymous No.]

>>54639008
You don't think it's a little passive-aggressive to say "please be respectful" to a stranger you only just met? It's like going to a black neighborhood and asking the locals "please don't mug me"

[Anonymous No.]

>>54639422
Not that guy but I think she still streams. And there are trans chuubas that are more popular than her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54639756
You shouldn't go to certain neighborhoods if you aren't invited.

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>>54617555
KEK
They shall be known as the Cuckellites

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>>54618571
homobeggars and nijisisters can't support shit. Look at the dismal state of Nijisanji and how hard has Vox crashed. Not to mention they drove Mysta to graduate.
GRIM days to be a sister.

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>>54636592
True but she was definitely honest about what she likes
Shiori is too much of a coward to be that honest

[Anonymous No.]

>>54639639
/vt/ was fighting over my comment for like a whole day. Lmao. >>28410762

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>>54631543
>Shiori assumed her fans would dislike her collab choices without clarifying why that might be
There was a highly-upvoted containment breaking comment on the original video that basically said "do not collab with holostars" in reply to her own comment. It's highly likely that she saw it because it was very early in the chain. I suspect that might have been the catalyst for her weird statement.
Not that I think it means she wants stars collabs specifically, but it made her aware of expectations and thus felt the need to address it in some way. This strengthens male twitch indie rrats. I really hope not though.

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>>54637286
I'm surprised you didnt say Kawaii with how incel-leaning their fanbase is. Someone post that art of all of em with the signpost saying "No boys allowed except (You)

[Anonymous No.]

Probably shit question, but why do people care so much about male collabs? I get that people want the idol experience but does it take more then half a brain cell to realize that they probably still have irl relationships and friends despite who the collabs are with?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54642702
cool still not watching your faggots

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>>54642702
You certainly don't have enough brain cells to figure out the simple concept that people dissociate the person from the vtuber persona.
Nobody cares about their private life as long as it doesn't leak into their streaming and when it does it becomes just as big of a problem.
People want to fawn over the make-believe of a perfect anime girl, not some random ethot roastie. Fucking normalfags infesting this niche treating it like it's just normal streaming has been a disaster for the industry.

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>>54617262
The average male is so starved for positive attention that even a simple complement will get them to worship you left and right with money tributes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54642702
Culture dies at the hands of the outgroup getting in. Diversity isn't a strength, it's a destroyer, and if you don't figure that out while you're young you're going to be doing a lot of head-scratching throughout your life wondering why everything you enjoy keeps turning to shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54643230
pretty sure vtubers before 2020 didn't treat it as a prostitution ring and just wanted to make content with an avatar. You're the invader here

[Anonymous No.]

>>54639229
>She collabs with ZylpheRenuis: The male Vtuber who hates Pikame

How controversial can she get anons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54619656
fucking this!!
sucks it's with a faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>54643401
Otakmoriis her favorite clipper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54617262
Sorry, I won't respect your choice

Join Vshojo if you want talent freedom

[Anonymous No.]

>>54617555
He's gonna be gone within a week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54642702
Watching Asmongold or Esfand hanging out with Emiru or Bonnie is one thing but watching anime avatars flirting with each other is peak cuck content. The worst content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54643387
Well you'd be wrong newfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54643387
>newshit nigger spouting newshit faggotry
Yeah, pre2020 Hololive totally wasn't about Keyfabe. Kizuna Ai and her copycats totally weren't about Keyfabe.
>b-but muh random whores streaming for 3 people
kys and fuck off back to watching pokimane or whoever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54643530
get laid bruh

[Anonymous No.]

>>54621013
Funny how sisters like>>54620425 always try to paint themselves as the superior fans, only to be disproved with a single screenshot. Good job, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54643617
>suddenly brings in "kayfabe"
i thought you were talking about male collabs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQn5JAFYayU
quit being ugly then maybe girls will like you

[Anonymous No.]

>>54643619
>normalfag insult

[Anonymous No.]

>>54643517
WTF I HATE HER NOW

[Anonymous No.]

>>54642702
Short version is that your average holofan prefers gender-segregated content since it's so rare and carries a different atmosphere. What the streamers do in their own time is of no consequence to this crowd.
Sure, you have your unicorns and collab beggars too, but they're a tiny minority by comparison.
If you're asking specifically why they prefer this type of content, that's like asking why someone prefers carrots to cucumbers.

[Anonymous No.]

Lmao, first time reading this board.
Yep, I understand why people hate you now, what an absolute schizo board, kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54643814
Girls liking me has git no relevance to enjoying my chuubas tard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54644164
>abnormal deflection

[Anonymous No.]

>>54644276
Imagine caring about people liking you...

[Anonymous No.]

>>54644295
it does actually because you act like a bitter virgin without them. Does it make you angry that people with normal/successful lives enjoy vtubers and even watch more anime than you? The vtuber world never revolved around you

[Anonymous No.]

>>54644195
>different atmosphere
You mean because they are dangerous incels.
even people who have real girlfriends and get upset that they have platonic male friends are pathetic but
this is just 10x more pathetic

[Anonymous No.]

>>54644553
>bitter roastie projecting
lol
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>54644627
>bitter virgin deflecting
kek
kekw

do you have proof that pre-2020 vtubing is a unicorn squeezing superchat farm yet? Still waiting to see it

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>>54617262
her statement can easily be interpreted as a stance against collab beggars. sure, the first part sounded pro-collabs, but then why did she bother with "I need to study and understand the person well first"? that's more of an argument for why you wouldn't want to collab with someone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54644762
>braindead foid thinks she's talking to the same person

[Anonymous No.]

>>54644553
Nice larp lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>54617262
Why the fuck would she say it like that?
Thats straight up "improve yourself" at her debut.
That also implies that theres something device about the people she wants to collab with? Why would you smear your coworkers like that?
Just say you are going to collab with homos wtf.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54645051
quit crying already

[Anonymous No.]

>>54644578
What are you even talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54618726
>runt
has an EP
oh you mean ccv? kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>54645240
>it's the same person if it's not a new IP in a thread with 90+ IPs
You really need to go back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54644859
She might have been talking about collabing with people outside hololive, like old indie friends. I'm guessing a manager/rulebook told her something to the effect that outside collabs are permitted only on a case by case basis and require vetting the person first. And that statement she made was just paraphrasing that back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54622332
She wants the GFE money but doesn't wanna collab with only girls. Cake and eat it too, etc. Very typical.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54617262
>>54617555
>nijiniggers are seething with impotent rage again

[Anonymous No.]

>>54645580
I'm like 90% sure this is what she meant but she worded it like a complete autist

[Anonymous No.]

>>54617555
GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD

[Anonymous No.]

>>54646980
This makes absolutely 0 sense and you know that.

[Anonymous No.]

literally just entered /vt/ and not understanding the entire backlash of shiori’s collab choices
like just let her collab with whoever she wants man

[Anonymous No.]

>>54617262
>Demanding respect
No. Respect is earned, not given. First of all stop pretending to be GFE if you want to be a whore. This girl just reeks of red flags from the get go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54642702
It's anticlimactic as fuck, like eating ice cream and suddenly having ketchup poured on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54648761
>This girl just reeks of red flags from the get go.
Just like every IRL goth girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54642702
I wanna watch x-holomem, not be some third wheel in some weird date.
Same for most girl-to-girl collabs too desu, overall I dont fancy collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54648318
go back, if you're gonna be GFE and pretend to be on a "first date" then you also need to understand that collabing with males goes against that idea fundamentally. There is no reason to respect a whore who also tries to pander.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54642702
Her possibly collabing with tempiss/poop is really not that big of a deal. Most people however are worried that she will force collabs with her PL clique for the ultimate NTR experience.

[Anonymous No.]

It feels like the girls are more thirsty than the guys

[Anonymous No.]

>>54650423
same - collabs feel like you just get thirdwheeled looking in on interactions you can't have - if thats with friends or with a romantic interest...
if collab then i actually like the podcast type where they just speak on girly topics and you sorta listen like its radio

[Anonymous No.]

>>54636592
don't listen to him Bae i watch you

[Anonymous No.]

>>54617555
If he doesn't graduate then expect him to join collabs with Mori, Kronii and now Shiori again after he returns.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54617262
>wants all the benefits of being part of vtuber culture
>also wants to stick to none of the expectations of vtuber culture

entitled whore

[Anonymous No.]

>>54650431
gf exp what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54655109
how is wanting to collab with whoever she wants and do her own thing being an entitled whore?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54655585
lurk more

[Anonymous No.]

>>54655699
did you even read your own post?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54655783
yeah i did. and as an entertainer who is providing a service for all of us, she’s entitled to doing what she finds fun or interesting. she’s not a whore for that dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656239
She's allowed to do whatever she wants sure, but whether she's a whore or not depends on who you ask and a lot of her audience would agree she's entitled and whorish if she just does whatever she wants without thinking about how it affects her fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656479
there are boundaries to be set between performer and viewers. it seems most people here are on the border of entering parasocial relationships with fictional characters lmao. plus she doesn’t really do anything sexual for money nor does she use her talents unworthily for financial gain, so she doesn’t really qualify for the definition of a whore. collating with male vtubers like tempus and all doesn’t hurt anyone who wasn’t already crazy to begin with

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656873
You need to understand that "parasocial relationships" are literally all that vtubers are. You might think that people who engage in such things are crazy or stupid or something, but that doesn't change the fact that it's literally the main audience for vtubers. They get most of their money, fame, and engagement from lonely men who need something to fill the void. Vtubing is in effect just an anime girl gf experience and denying that is delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54657124
nope. asserting that vtubing is an anime girl gf experience is delusional. vtubers, like all other content creators, are there to entertain, but they are free to choose what kind of entertainment they choose to provide. unless explicitly told, vtubing is not a parasocial relationship, that’s just what weirdos want to believe to not confront their hard realities. lick your wounds on your own time, but don’t drag down people who just want to have fun down with you

[Anonymous No.]

>>54658106
cope It's the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54658141
what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54655109
>>wants all the benefits of being part of vtuber culture
>>also wants to stick to none of the expectations of vtuber culture
Are you implying all vtubers are idols?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54645240
>everyone who disagrees with me must be lurking and only post once in a thread
retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>54658207
Why do you think then that female vtubers are FAR more popular than male streamers? Why even have an anime character in the first place? It's all there to attract this specific audience. Denying it is utterly delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54658600
male vtubers* specifically sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>54658600
except for all of the people who like anime and want to use anime avatars. or simply prefer to have privacy and not show their faces online, which many people do. seriously, the fact that there are people trying to defend these clearly sick people and justify harassment and insulting just goes to show that humanity should go extinct. the sick feeding the sick

[Anonymous No.]

>>54655585
Go back

[Anonymous No.]

>>54659168
sure bro, that explains the difference between male and female vtubers. Definitely only the IRONIC weebs are spending money on these streamers as a joke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54659338
this is what happens when you give people the internet bro. you don’t like shiori? leave. just keep your harassment and temper tantrums to yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>54660363
Ok? I wasn't claiming anything. I was just telling you the fact that the majority of the vtuber audience uses them as a parasocial relationship intentionally.

[Anonymous No.]

What a high quality thread posted by a real holofan and totally not a falseflagging Nijikek!

[Anonymous No.]

>>54660363
>you don’t like shiori? leave.
Yeah that's exactly what people are gonna do. No refunds!

[Anonymous No.]

>>54631657
Not being able to understand that there are degrees of things is quite literally autistic, anon. It's also very autisitic to think that everyone thinks exactly like you do. There is not one type of weeb

[Anonymous No.]

>>54646947
>>54622332
this made me think, is there any ntr vtuber in hololive? I feel like cover wouldn't allow it

[Anonymous No.]

>>54617262

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>>54642702
men and women can't be just friends

[Anonymous No.]

>this entire thread
hololive antis really have no shame huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>54661036
It is precisely because not everyone thinks like I do. Someone else made a great analogy. It's the equivalent of self-conceited posers going to pornhub or nhentai to preach Jesus in the comments. Now, that would be understandable if they are posturing to twitter followers or some women they want to impress. But it is sheer posturing nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54620752
smooching after you nut in her mouth

gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>54661036
There's a difference between claiming there is only one type of weeb and understanding that the majority of an audience is made up by a certain type of person. Are there people who just put the girl's streams on in the background? Yes. Do they make up the majority of the viewership and revenue? No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54617262
there is no way she said that

[Anonymous No.]

Bro the Nerissa is a Mori but with seiyū experience , and Shiori is a discount Kronni with the NTR experience but without the sex voice

[Anonymous No.]

>>54658225

Successfull vtubers are a anime (larger than life, keeping kayfabe) character roleplay.
That's the formula of hololive domination.

Unsuccessful vtubers are mostly just normal streamers with a anime avatar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54662367
/u/posters go away, there are anime with casts that aren't exclusively cute girls and half of JP has interacted with dirty males on multiple occasions
demanding personal distance is fine, obviously, but don't pretend what you're advocating is anything other than what it is (rank jealousy & tribalism), be honest with your a/u/tism

[Anonymous No.]

Meh. Her voice had already filtered me out before she dropped this. Seems like every corpo has these semi-high pitched nasal sounding ESL tyles flooding them these days. Figured Hololive could do a little better than that, but alas.

[Anonymous No.]

Cope, copepods.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54662044
she said
>About collabs
>don't be disrespectful to people near me
>I won't tolerate disrespect

[Anonymous No.]

>>54662570

Dude, you need to look at actual popular anime characters and how you can "do them" as a streamer.
Streamers are all about chat and gaming, this mean looking at "comedy" characters... and guess what, nearly all popular comedy anime got a full fermale cast.
Because anime girl + anime girl produce comedy, but anime girl + anime boy produce romance.

This is also the reason why male vtubers are hopless, they are supposed to do "goku" but can't do it by gaming/chatting, they can only be "normal dude but anime avatar" or be fujo gay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54663014
that's common. even kuzuha said it multiple times about his male collab partners like ka4en or shaka. Don't be disrepctful to them just because they do a jab or lowblow at kuzuha he is a big boy and does the same thing to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54617555
LMAAOOOOO NO WAY

[Anonymous No.]

>>54663535
You're genuinely delusional. Go look at any ranking of the most popular comedy anime and they're filled with men. Even Nichijou has guys in it, ffs

[Anonymous No.]

>>54661226
>I feel like cover wouldn't allow it
why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54617262
>DEAD on debut
>cuckolding
>made for BBC
>NTR
>Holmos
>respect my collab choices
>fujo

[Anonymous No.]

>>54663535
>Streamers are all about chat and gaming, this mean looking at "comedy" characters... and guess what, nearly all popular comedy anime got a full fermale cast.
yeah, like Gintama, Cromartie, Saiki K, Konosuba, Prison School, etc. fucking retard, I repeat: CGDCT isn't the only type of anime that exists
>This is also the reason why male vtubers are hopless, they are supposed to do "goku" but can't do it by gaming/chatting, they can only be "normal dude but anime avatar" or be fujo gay.
very roundabout way to say "the biggest JP male vtubers are FPS grinders who are actually good at videogames, while exactly zero corpo EN vtubers are actually good at videogames, and they barely stream any hours in comparison"

[Anonymous No.]

I don't get why she would say that AFTER the GFE pandering and swallowing. Too many mixed signals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54663920
because holos don't talk about sex with males? quite clearly a cover policy

[Anonymous No.]

>>54663861
>watching a live interactive experience is the same as watching scripted shows

[Anonymous No.]

>>54643666
Many such cases

[Anonymous No.]

>>54662367
How did you move the goalpost from
>wants all the benefits of being part of vtuber culture
>also wants to stick to none of the expectations of vtuber culture

to

>Successfull vtubers are a anime (larger than life, keeping kayfabe) character roleplay.
That's the formula of hololive domination.

These 2 concepts are unrelated to each other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54617262
Didn't you fuckers say you wanted the chuubas to let you know early on they're gonna collab with... le males, so that it doesn't come as a surprise like Ame or Kronii
This is as early as it can get, what's wrong now

[Anonymous No.]

>>54617262
I can't believe she said BLACK LIVES MATTER on her debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54664008
ntr isn't always about sex
Marine likes NTR for example

[Anonymous No.]

>>54664018
You're the one who brought up anime as a comparison retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54664179
sure, but has she or any other holo done GFE but about cucking the viewer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54617262
I dont understand the entire "argument" culture on /vt/. You never convince of people of your POV by arguing against them. You should just reinforce their POV. You need to see their side and be emphatic to change their mind.

With that said:
People who like her will keep watching, people who dont wont.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54617262
It wasn't about respecting her collab choices. The nuance was that if she collabs with people then she's getting close to them. That's what she kept on emphasizing, the more she collabs the more it means they're her actual friends. Also she hopes to travel and meet other holos.

Now consider the rrat that she has historically been into gangbangs and dominating other women during them and posting about it on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54663963
>>54663861
You make my point.

How the hell do you make a cromartie or gintama vtuber? How do you do a kazuma (a not fully self insert harem protag) vtuber?
You can't, the comedy is not in the characters, is in the scenario/gags, is also a team work by all the cast.

They can't exist alone behind a pc, a cute girl comedian can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54664308
According to people like you that's Kronii's and Ame's niche.
Which to put it simply, it doesn't matter to you because you're already convinced of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54664116
No one said people wouldn't vent about it at first. You expected everyone to go "Well golly gee, good to know that madame Novella has different plans for her small career, don't mind me!"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54656239
Consequences to one's actions is normal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54664172
unsubbing and disliking would be a wise choice

[Anonymous No.]

>>54664236
I am not the anon you replied to. Just jumping in to say that whole comparison is retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>54664453
So you want more scripted streams?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54663963
they really do try to ride the famous comedy train but it doesn't work. Zatsudan with a mundharmonika, eating bugs, letting yourself be electruded by someone else, putting some plastic sushi in your urethra. Can you name the holomems? I've seen it all and pekoras simple slapstick still is better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54664453
>How the hell do you make a cromartie or gintama vtuber? How do you do a kazuma (a not fully self insert harem protag) vtuber?
Kazuma has a very distinct, deeply flawed character that no one should want to self insert as unless they are a fucking loser, though it makes him endearing
>You can't, the comedy is not in the characters, is in the scenario/gags, is also a team work by all the cast.
"How could you ever be masculine AND funny!?" says more about you than it does about Hololive, especially
>scenario/gags
what the fuck do you think playing games on stream is for other than generating entertaining scenarios? This is literally the root of all Lets Plays, what sets them apart from a commentary-free longplay, it's why "Streamer Games" even exist. Gags? You aren't legally permitted to crack a joke during a Zatsudan unless provoked by big floppy titties?
retarded & gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>54664495
Of course I expected that. But you know how it is in this site. Initial "vents" actually translate into years-long grudges, which is why I'm saying this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54664859
Dude.

One, you are not really tellin me how can a cromartie vtuber can work for content.
Two, those anime avatar guys who play apex are... masculine to you?

They are CRINGE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54664308
Kronni with Vesper and Ame doing romantic karaoke songs with Altare

[Anonymous No.]

I've been here for years and I still don't understand the hate for men. You all sound like fucking braindead feminists who scream and cry at the simple prospect of a male.
Is that what it is? Is this board made up of landwhales? I thought you were all guys. Guess I was wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54665806
go back

[Anonymous No.]

>>54665874
Go back where? I've been on 4chan for a decade

[Anonymous No.]

>>54665908
don't you think it would be time to go outside then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666008
Probably. Maybe you should join me

[Anonymous No.]

>>54665806
sure tourist
the fact that you can't differentiate between hating males and idol culture means you should go back

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666033
I go out daily

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666065
>Idol culture
Actual idols in Japan do interviews and shit with men all the time. Do your research before being brainwashed by the western masses here making shit up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54665424
>Romantic karaoke songs with altare
Incredible reality warping powers anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666065
>>54666142
/vt/ doesn't understand idol culture, they don't like idols and the chuubas aren't idols, they just want an excuse

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666142
>interviews are the same as gaming or hanging out together for multiple hours

[Anonymous No.]

>>54617555
>Immediately comes back from suspension to defy management one last time by breaking the Collab ban and being Shiori's first Collab partner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666142
Sure, and Gura got interviewed by some youtube guy and there's no lasting problem. You should really go back if you don't understand the distinction between that and male vtubers. Jesus, this glowing attempt at blending in.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone sum up for me what exactly the problem is with her, or her audience, or collab choices, or whatever the fuck's goin' on? I heard about this chick like 5 minutes ago from some "Get me pregnant" meme and now I'm lost and confused. I know jack shit about vtuber culture n' whatnot so please explain to me like I'm 5 as I am mentally handicapped

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666363
>Jesus, this glowing attempt at blending in.
Yeah you're doing a pretty poor job. Maybe try again tonight, champ!

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666373
She said to respect her collab choices. She did not explain what this means despite it potentially meaning any number of things.
/vt/ has chosen to believe it means she wants to collab with males despite not evidence of her wanting to. In some peoples eyes a girl collabing with a guy is disgusting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666373
>new girl debuts
>calls her stream a "date", setting a certain expectation
>goes against said expectation, in a way that might be considered condescending, in the said stream
Is basically the gist of it. You don't flirt with your audience and then tell them that you'll be collabing with your streamer friends, some of which are men, who you were acquittanced with before joining Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>"what an entitled bitch" said the entitled shitposter throwing a fit because a woman was asking you to be polite and respectful

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666142
Hololive's success was built on idol culture and nobody cares gives a fuck about professional interviews. That's why Kiara interviewing Yagoo didn't raise a single eyebrow. Male collabs are pure cancer and have to be eliminated at all costs to maintain Hololive's purity, however.

>>54666271
You don't understand idol culture, you don't like idols, and you just want an excuse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666373
hololive fans sperg out when their vtubers collab with men to the point that the company has had to put out public statements begging the fans to stop harassing their own chuubas over it
in her debut stream shiori asked her fans to respect her collab partners
hope this helps

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666373
Apparently she's an abusive/predatory person. So when she says that she will collab with people she actually meets then it means she will drag her gen mates into her gangbangs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666626
You should go back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54661226
yes and yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666626
Woooooow it only took 24 hours for vt to pull schizo rrats out its ass this time that's a new record

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666563
Telling someone to be polite and respectful towards you is pretty entitled desu. Nobody is entitled to being treated with politeness and respect. You have to earn that shit and Shiori isn't earning it so far. She has to prove herself first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666576
>if I invert it then I have a point too
No.

You can't even name a single idol off the top of your head. You know it deep down inside as you consider googling some. When people talk about Hello! Project, Morning Musume, or even Denpagumi, you tune out, close the tab, find something else to do. You just want GFE and you want to be a GFE schizo but you need an excuse so you claim it's idol culture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666608
good. customers should voice their concerns unless they want to see this hobby get ruined by ironic weebs and nyanners-type cuckoldry audience

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666706
Fuck off, BVTM

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666576
>to maintain Hololive's purity,
You really just don't watch streams do you?
>Hurrrrr only EN is lewd.
Retarded EOP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666138
yeah, out of the closet you fag

[Anonymous No.]

I don't feel good...

[Anonymous No.]

I don't want this talentless bitch anywhere near my homos. NO FEMALES NEAR MY MEN!

STOP TAINTING THE STARS PURITY WITH SHIT TIER "ENTERTAINERS"

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666736
There were screencaps of her posts and vocaroos that seemed convincing, with the person responding to being called the same name as her PL.

[Anonymous No.]

So she's the target for falseflagging sisters/2views/small corpos? Because I saw her gain crazed schizos over her as soon as guys started paying more attention to her. What do you get out of larping as a unicorn for hours? Btvm is already deep into the larp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666706
ok but cover didn't allow it

[Anonymous No.]

>"hololive girls should not be allowed to act and think for themselves they need to just shut up and sing and entertain" - /vt/
I'm starting to think vt thinks of these girls as just characters or sexual objects rather than people

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666337
the man who was too based to live

[Anonymous No.]

>>54664116
>you wanted the chuubas let you know early on who they're gonna collab with
while true, but also MAKE IT CLEAR TOO
rock cunny had to emphasize for a few times about how she wants collabs with the girls
she however said to respect her collab choices with her "friends" which is gonna get (mis)understood in more ways than one

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666317
They're NOT FUCKING you absolute retard
All those collabs are part of a BUSSINESS relationship, they're COWORKERS that follow a company's strict rules. Try suspending your disbelief a bit less and get back to reality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666785
>You can't even name a single idol off the top of your head
I don't need to. Hololive became popular by following some basic principals of idol culture. That's why it has so much appeal. Male collabs are antithetical to Hololive, what it stands for, and why it's so good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666976
Wrong fanbase nijisister >>54660293

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666510
>>54666554
>>54666608
>>54666626
Thank you I think I get the gist now

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666764
>Telling someone to be polite and respectful towards you is pretty entitled desu.
No? it's a moral obligation
She's just saying "don't be an ass" and you're throwing a tantrum that she doesn't want you being an ass
How is she in the wrong here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666212
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KylRjccy11A

[Anonymous No.]

>>54665806
When I watch cute girls, I watch cute girls. When I watch a male streamer it's a non-vtuber that is good at the game I'm interested in, or boomers like Vinny or Kripp. I'm simply not mixing those things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666976
During the hours where they are working and being paid to play a character, they are not "people". They are assets solely meant to do their job and rake in money by entertaining us, the viewer.

If these stupid whores can't keep their cock guzzling mouths from mentioning my Stars while on the clock, then they deserve rope. The Stars are NOT meant for low tier women who can not EVEN DO THEIR JOB PROPERLY.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54620425
Nijitroons detected. Kys please you'll never watch her anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>54667000
>Try suspending your disbelief a bit less and get back to reality.
no
Hololive has a unique gimmick that leans into CGDCT/Idol culture. I don't want diversity. I don't want change. I want escapism and to pretend there is still purity/fun in the world

[Anonymous No.]

>>54667152
>it's a moral obligation
Holy kek, no, people don't have a moral obligation to be polite and respectful to you. You're a total narcissist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54620425
>filters the target audience
good job

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666865
which were proven fake

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGSOfFtVCTBfmGxHK5OD8ag

This lazy pos, more lazy tham Gura and people still dont say shit about him

[Anonymous No.]

>>54666976
Ah yes, next you are gonna join the nhentai comment section to preach Jesus. Remember to pat yourself in the back for the posturing.

You are free to go to Vshojo or wherever Nyanners is streaming with her bf if that's your desired content. But hey, you won't get to do any posturing there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54622332
they're normalfags, they genuinely can't understand that some people take it really seriously. they think it's just a meme or a content you watch without becoming obsessed with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>54667322
Oh no is the "get me pregnant" thing not real? :(

[Anonymous No.]

>>54667000
>Try suspending your disbelief a bit less and get back to reality
Get the fuck out of here nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>54667198
>If these stupid whores can't keep their cock guzzling mouths from mentioning my Stars while on the clock, then they deserve rope. The Stars are NOT meant for low tier women who can not EVEN DO THEIR JOB PROPERLY.
You are mentally fucking ill and an entitled brat who thinks Holoive talents shouldn't be allowed to think and act for themselves
>"oh boo hoo she wants stream with her friends and not people she just met"
So what? so fucking what? Are you threatened by the thought of a talent having friends outside hololive itself? For all we know she just met the other girls so no shit she likely had friends outside hololive beforehand

[Anonymous No.]

i hope shiori takes a vacation to brazil and never makes it back

[Anonymous No.]

>>54667322
Either it was another woman pretending to be her PL and copying her voice or it was her. It's not like it was actually fake or completely pulled out of nothing.

Someone that claimed to be her posted and recorded that stuff over a period of time years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54667000
>All those collabs are part of a BUSSINESS relationship
Jesus Christ, you don't even watch the content you're trying to defend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54667574
Mentally ill cuckold trying to mansplain why someone should be okay with being cuckolded just because they're okay with it.

The Stars are leagues above the bae, mori, shiori, etcs of the vtuber world. It isn't like these retards are someone talented like Kanata who would actually be worthy of interacting with the Stars.

Keep your shitty talentless whores away from MY HOMOS

[Anonymous No.]

>>54667574
>Holoive talents shouldn't be allowed to think and act for themselves
Cover doesn't allow Hololive talent to think and act for themselves. They're employees who have to follow rules. Now are you gonna start screeching about how Cover is oppressing them? Please do kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>54667279
The girls hanging out with guys that are their friends or even only coworkers every once in a while are NOT gonna ruin that fun for you, I goddamn promise you. Even less if you just... don't watch those streams kek. You're the one at fault if you preemptively assume that those streams are gonna be filled with flirting and sex jokes or whatever. (PS: They know their audience, so that's not gonna happen, at least not in Hololive) You're like a manbaby crying at devs adding an easy mode to games you're never gonna play them in.

[Anonymous No.]

bottom of the barrel pick

[Anonymous No.]

>>54667816
I'm a
>>54667909
>Cover doesn't allow Hololive talent to think and act for themselves. They're employees who have to follow rules.
So Shiori is just following the rules, then. Which involves asking you to be respectful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54667166
>Singing love songs with
>In reality shes barely even singing and holding back laughter and it's not even together
You said songs as in multiple, so Where's the other ones anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54668089
*I'm aromatic
fucking thing sucks

[Anonymous No.]

>>54667754
Dude, Kronii laughing a bit more than usual doesn't mean she's shagging Vesper behind the curtains. Nor does it mean that Ame's addicted to Altare's cock because she sang a popular song in a (pre-recorded from another stream) karaoke duo.
I precisely don't even watch most of the homo collabs because some of them I'm not interested in (or I'm just not interested in some of the boys' streams) but jesas, just let that shit be instead of throwing a tantrum everytime they fucking exist

[Anonymous No.]

>>54667932
It's even funnier knowing that the only time something remotely sexual was even joked about was by fucking matsuri

[Anonymous No.]

>>54667909
>Cover doesn't allow Hololive talent to think and act for themselves. They're employees who have to follow rules.
So Shiori is just following the rules, then. Which involves asking you to be respectful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54668210
>Dude, Kronii laughing a bit more than usual doesn't mean she's shagging Vesper behind the curtains. Nor does it mean that Ame's addicted to Altare's cock because she sang a popular song in a (pre-recorded from another stream) karaoke duo.
For me the problem isn't so much the content itself, but the fact that they know their fans hate it and do it anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54667932
Of Shiori collabs with males I will anti her until the day she dies and never let her forget how hard she fucked up her own career.

>>54668089
>So Shiori is just following the rules, then. Which involves asking you to be respectful.
Shiori has to follow Cover's rules. I don't. She also has to follow the fans' rules to a large extent because they're the ones paying her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54668340
Then take it up with cover, not her
She's just doing her job
If you have an issue with these rules, take it up with cover or a-chan instead of harassing the girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>54642702
>WHY WHY WHY
>I'M SO CONFOOSED BROS

[Anonymous No.]

im just glad that cover is actively fighting against all these chuds and conservative fucks in the fanbase. we dont need people who dont even want cross gender collabs in this fanbase. UNICORNS DNI!

you WILL be a cuckold. you WILL like the stars. you WILL take the girldick in your mouth. you WILL have your oshi flirt with men. accept our gift of modernity or have fun with your sanctions (bans), bigots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54667080
>Male collabs are antithetical to Hololive, what it stands for, and why it's so good.
Almost half of hololive JP doesn't even go along with that part of idol culture. Do you think anyone in holoEN likes having to stay on the good side of unicorns?

[Anonymous No.]

Oh, she's CRAZY CRAZY, not crazy CRAZY.
Fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54668334
>the fact that they know their fans hate it and do it anyway.
Yup. And now they all do underwear streams and GFE bait hard as fuck. They got a hard dose of reality.

They're entertainers. Not a cult.
Despite the fact they can act like they can get away with anything, that's only up until they decide to fuck up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54667932
>You're like a manbaby crying at devs adding an easy mode to games you're never gonna play them in.
What point are you trying to make here? I like the game and it's standard difficulty. I continue to play this game until one day they add an easy difficulty. I won't play easy difficulty because I like the standard that was put out and continue to play the difficulty I enjoy. However now the game draws new audience because the easy difficulty. It is reasonable to believe that the game will now continue to cater to this new audience who can't handle the standard difficulty the game was built upon. Future updates and expansions in this franchise are now at risk of appealing to the new broader audience instead of the niche it originally covered getting instead a now more generic watered down product.
So yes, it is possible it WILL ruin it for me. I will NOT watch those streams and I WILL continue to voice my concern and displeasure at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54668589
Mori is about to quit. You lost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54668334
>Knew their fans would hate it
Ames been interacting with homos since debut, you'd have to be mentally ill to complain about males when she's been doing it from the start.
Kronii said what she'd do and did it, feeding in to the vocal minority shit flingers is retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>54668492
>She's just doing her job
Shiori's job is to make money. If she collabs with males then she's throwing money away which makes her a really shitty employee. Cover foolishly doesn't have a policy completely banning male collabs, yet, so we the fans have to step in and pressure the girls not to do male collabs and punish those who do.

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>>54668798
Based Chumbud.

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>>54641446
I suspect she has an ego about her, due to being much longer in experience doing this than most other EN chuubas out there (dunno if her or ironmouse were first but Moe was among the first). 5 years doing this and she still walked into a gaffe entirely of her own making in debut. this isn't hard to learn, some girls have gotten the hang of the game 10x quicker than her. does that mean it'll take 10x as long for her to realize the basic dos/donts of being a holo?

literally her first stream, is the history of vtubers. starting what, with herself basically? I can see why she'd have that kind of an "I know better than you all because I supercede you all" kind of thing, but being first in town doesn't make your opinions correct or the best. especially when most of her subs came from ASMR or being plugged as part of someone else's work (eilene). it doesn't make random 2view twitch indies automatically better just because she happens to know them - we DO NOT CARE. Hololive viewers do not care about the randos you've encountered along the way of getting there any more than someone would care about the childhood friend of someone who got into the NBA (unless maybe it was lebron or something and Moe is no lebron). Moe maybe doesn't seem prepared to contemplate that her long history doesn't mean much in Holo in the grand scheme of things and people are gonna judge her for what they see in front of their faces today, not what she was in the many yesterdays.

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>>54667932
>PS: They know their audience, so that's not gonna happen, at least not in Hololive

You defeat your own point. The whole reason they know their audience, as opposed to Nyanners' audience, is because hololive audience puts up this kind of pressure.

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>>54668876
They CAN'T have a rule. Western investors won't allow THAT. But they CAN create scapegoats and sacrifices, then move resources to the successful talents. I can't say for sure yet, but it feels like Shiori might end up as one of them. She put herself on the altar.

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>>54668788
>now they all do underwear streams and GFE bait hard as fuck
Literally what the hell is your delusional ass talking about

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>>54668334
I'd like to think that, from the corporate side, the homos being Yagoo's project and, well, existing, means that they had to test the waters and have them interact and collab with the girls at least at one point in their lives. And if those streams get good reception/views then those groups repeat them. Sometimes you gotta take bold steps before you course correct into the optimal middle ground.

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>>54669004
>doesn't watch streams
OH NO NO NO NO NO
SISTERS HAVE WE BEEN CAUGHT WITH OUR PANTS DOWN?!

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>>54669044
>No argument or proof
>Acts like a retard and deflects
Everytime

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>>54617262
CAN YOU UNICORN RETARDS PLEASE STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM MY NEW OSHI?

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Shiori isn't going to collab with men. Cover makes them all make a generic collab statement in their debut.

Shiori has an extremely controlling BF irl and collabing with males would get her beat half to death. She literally can not afford to fuck up his income now that she has a chance at getting an actual viewerbase with disposable money. Poor girl is probably already in trouble for her poor wording

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>>54669015
To be fair, Holostars COULD have succeeded pretty fucking hard, but they treated them like a HOLOLIVE branch.
You do NOT treat men and women entertainers the same. It won't work. It's also the same reason you don't mix them.
Men have to CREATE. Women have to BE. That's where they fucked up.

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>>54669108
Excellent bait. Now go back.

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>>54668631
>Almost half of hololive JP doesn't even go along with that part of idol culture.
Kek. The vast majority of Holo JP talents go along with the "no males" part of idol culture, Liarchama.
>Do you think anyone in holoEN likes having to stay on the good side of unicorns?
Yes. Unicorns shower them with money and staying on their good side is as easy as literally just not doing male collabs and not talking about sex you've had IRL. They're the easiest type of fans in the world to make happy and keep happy.

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>>54669108
can you link timestamp to Bijou's generic collab statement? Thanks

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>>54669105
>Mori non-stop streams in her underwear
>just talked about how her original model had a fully modelled vagina (why even bring it up)
>Kronii just did a slut video
>Both doing ASMR and GFE super hard
Yeah. Totally. It's me. lmao
You don't watch. You don't pay.
That's why you're not even aware.

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>>54668862
>Ames been interacting with homos since debut
That isn't even remotely true, mister twitter tranny

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>>54669122
i almost exclusively watch Holostars and most of the viewership of the Stars don't seem to want them to collab with the girls either. i dont know where all the people begging for collabs are actually coming from. we want the boys to be more popular but that doesnt mean we want it to be through forced collabs

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>>54669364
It's the exact same story every single time.
>outside group with a certain type of politics notices something getting popular
>hates the group that is in to that hobby
>wants "changes" to be "fair" for "all" or they "won't watch"
>loud, so they're mistake for a majority, or threatening, so it could lead to a loss
>changes made, everyone mad
>original fans bail
>new "fans" leave because their goal wasn't to watch anyway
Tale as old as time.

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>>54668973
>They CAN'T have a rule
They can though.
>Western investors
Anon what the fuck do Western investors have to do with anything?

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>>54668862
She would rarely mention them once in a blue moon or tweet about a 3d debut. Comparing this to what came after tempus is disingenuous.
Kronii was no where near that decisive and you fucking know it. She did that member stream where she made a compromise with unicorns, and then immediately backed out of it before going on break and getting management to rile up a twitter mob against her fanbase.

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>>54669198
>Mori
Literally not even mentioned and what you mentioned isn't even relevant. As well as the fact that Mori has also been interacting with males since debut so again nobody has a reason to be upset since she stated she was as the start
>Kronii did a slut video
As well as fauna but and others but I guess you'll ignore that
>ASMR
Nothing about that is relationship based, it's for autist who like sound.
>Gfe
Still no proof provided and no, delusions don't count.

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>>54668973
>But they CAN create scapegoats and sacrifices
But what for? Prep a potential talent just to throw them away because reasons? Why would the talent agree to play that role? They maybe can't make a rule, but can just hint the girls that it's a bad idea. If someone goes that route anyway... then we are back to square one where the girl is just stupid to do so. It's not a normie mainstream industry that plays politics, and male collabs aren't even related to any usual thing in that category. Literally nothing makes sense in your theory.

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>>54668876
>so we the fans have to step in and pressure the girls not to do male collabs and punish those who do.
So you are admitting that you want to harass the girls who are doing basically except following rules and doing nothing that could breach their contract
Explain to me how this is morally okay to do

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>>54669623
Pretending it doesn't exist doesn't mean you win, tranny.
>it doesn't exist
>okay it exists but it doesn't count
lmao

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>>54669665
What for? To placate the people they're truly targeting. People who pay up.

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>>54668862
>anti-males are the "vocal minority"
Bruh, they said, "No," once. When they didn't get what they wanted, they bailed without a Dear John letter. You're straight wrong.

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>>54669694
>Still no proof
K

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>>54622765
Post the part about respecting the audience.

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>>54669108
>>54669196
this + moe collabed with males in the past so acting like it'd be a daring first for her is also factually incorrect

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>>54669674
>"We won't watch you if you create content we don't like."
>THAT'S HARASSMENT!
fuck off

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>>54669198
Mori's stream today had her in bikini, openly asking for people to sub, with sub counter on screen. She is "rethinking her future in Hololive" and don't want to beat about the bush anymore, hence asking people to sub instead of acting like it doesn't matter to her. She is afraid.

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>>54669826
Honestly have no clue what you're trying to say, but they quite literally are a minority. They get drowned out literally everywhere but here.

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I feel bad for the anons who are genuinely defending her with hopes of making her their oshi.

She made it clear in her debut that her mouth and cunt are reserved for male coworkers, she will never have a shred of respect for her fans and the absolute best you can hope for is that she accidentally uploads a video of her pleasuring Magni (he is a chad and you are not)

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>>54668798
You are unironically proving my point by projecting in such a defeatist way. Most of the times it's a very small minority if an easy mode of a standard difficulty game will "win over" more people to play it. And if the main selling point of the game, the reason everyone talks about it, and the thing that's been always there since the beginning *is* its really hard difficulty... then that shit's not gonna change anytime soon! Especially not their development philosophy for future updates. It's, at best, gonna make them work a bit more to fine tune the "easy mode" version of those updates.
It's not gonna fucking ruin anything for you. Unless you prove to me that there's been genuine flirting and sex jokes in collabs, or that somehow their existence has influenced any way Hololive presents itself (aside from fucking listing them on their site as part of their talents, let's be fucking for real) the homos are harmless.

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>>54669623
>Mori has also been interacting with males since debut
No she hasn't. Why can't homobeggers stop lying?

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>>54669827
>no proof
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwCv9xVY0wE

>no proof
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQF6Jm3u70U
Mori outright states the VTuber boom has cooled off in the west, where you liberal fucks are.

>>54669908
Yeah, her roommate has a job-begging video up after 8 months, too. She's gone.

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>>54669879
>"step in and pressure the girls not to do male collabs and punish those who do."
Hmmmm

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>>54670026
>YOU MUST GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY OR IT'S INTIMIDATION
Yup, it's a faggot.

Better idea--why don't you prove, "Get woke, go broke," wrong and (You) pay up?

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I am wondering though. Do anons really hate prudes?

Sometimes it seems like you do want chuubas to be total sluts. You just want them to be their fan's slut. Is that correct or did I misunderstand? Please explain what you actually want out of chuubas.

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>>54666142
They do interviews and all kind of shows with MEN but the difference is their Manager handles the connection and they aren't just slipping in some DMs or have their private Discord server.

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>>54670003
Literally how the fuck is any of that gfe. And why are you constantly mentioning Mori when the discussion was about kronii and ame

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>>54670119
It's not a matter if they're a slut or a prude.
It's a matter if they try to force us to watch content we do not want to fucking see. It's really that simple.

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>>54670076
>so we the fans have to step in and pressure the girls not to do male collabs and punish those who do.
no no really explain what this sentence means or implies
"punishing" how?

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>>54670149
>streaming her underwear model several times in a row isn't GFE baiting
>ww-w-w-why show examples of failures in this regard? limit your response so I can win!
lmao now you're desperate

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>>54670076
>Money
Nobody's asking anything of you then to not be a cunt

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>>54669674
>muh morals
I like Hololive a lot and I'll fight to protect it from all of its enemies. Especially the enemies within. Because the enemies within are the ones who can damage it the most.

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>>54669879
this. fans are giving an extremely loud telegraphed warning signal that a bunch will bail if the girl insists on putting in content those viewers didn't want. the way girls react blaming the fans has literally always, always been wrong, they're just fucking inhaling zeppelins worth of copium collectively pretending it's the fans' fault for having tastes/preferences.

you do not attack a customer for saying he doesn't want pineapple on pizza and he just will not buy your pizzas if you start to insist on putting pineapple on them sometimes no matter what he ordered and he can leave if he doesn't like it. he will leave and it wasn't his fault. you do not blame the customer for not buying an electric car with a 20 mile range when his work commute is 30 miles. you build a better electric car. the irony of the whole "improve yourself" gambit of ame's is actually, she needs to improve her own understanding of the entertainer/fan dynamic and is mistaken that because -some- of them are brainless simps who will obey her commands like helpless puppets, all the fans are and they just need to be reminded to sit down and shut up. actually many if not most of the fans do still have free will and can't be commanded to like things they don't like - they're not captive to her.

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>>54670200
>greentext the word "punish"
>pretend someone else said it
Yup, it's a faggot.

>>54670234
>no YOU pay
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Another faggot, it seems.
Pay up or enjoy the backlash. Up to you.

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>>54670149
Because Mori is part of the same clique within Holo, and we can observe them slowly changing the tune. She is a good example.

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>>54670026
Aggressive pressure indicates inclining pressure rather than declining pressure. Withholding something isn't harassment and I'm not even the people you're arguing with, just stating the fact. It could be passive aggressive but only in the context that there is an established relationship and expectation. But if she's forcing such a parasocial relationship then it's abusive on her part. It's only harassment if you repeatedly tell her to change or you won't watch.

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>>54670258
Some of the girls have straight up confused their job as an entertainer with cult leader. Like they believed they were irreplaceable.
Reality knocked.

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>>54670167
But you want to watch the slutty panty flashing content with sex jokes and talking about your model having a vagina and womb tattoo, and innuendo about sucking fans off. Right?

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>>54670229
>Using your swim suit model during the literally swimsuit arc is now considered gfe
>So I can win
How much brain damage do you have, it's a discussion not a fucking boxing match. You're so obsessed with the idea of winning when I'm just trying to have a conversation even with your constant deflections. Enjoy your last (you)

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>>54669908
>openly asking for people to sub, with sub counter on screen
>She is "rethinking her future in Hololive"
Oh fuck it's that bad? Mori did this to herself but I still feel bad for her because she's a good and sweet person somewhere beneath all her stupidity, contrarianism, and addiction. This is what male collabs and FIGHTING LE EBIL IDOL CULTURE does to a motherfucker.

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>>54669944
>Most of the times it's a very small minority if an easy mode of a standard difficulty game will "win over" more people to play it. And if the main selling point of the game, the reason everyone talks about it, and the thing that's been always there since the beginning *is* its really hard difficulty... then that shit's not gonna change anytime soon!
so then why make an easy difficulty at all?

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>>54670482
>pretending I said swim suit
Try again, fag.

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>>54670509
Everyone then gets what they want anon, literally nothing changes

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>>54670506
Yeah, I watched only like first 20 minutes and she was very open about that, it should be over now so go watch the vod.

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>there are people pretending right now Mori isn't constantly streaming in her underwear
lmao wut
Was Vesper and Magni not in indefinite hiatus too, or something? Is this the Bernstein's timeline?

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>>54670478
If that's what the fans want and pay up for, I support it.
No one supported the collabs except non-watching non-paying invaders.

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please keep the whore holos away from my homos. its always the shitty low tier ones lusting after them.

i dont want girls interacting with my homos and bringing their shitty fanbases over screaming MORE COLLABS OMG! HAHA LOOK AT OUR FUNNY MEMES! KRONII MINDBREAKS VESPER HAHAHA LETS ALL SPAM HIS CHAT WITH SHITTY KRONII MEMES!

KEEP HOLOWHORES AWAY FROM MY HOMOS!!!!!!!!

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>>54670749
But you realize you're playing with fire, right? You get an irl total slut and not a prude to play that role but now you're surprised they act like a slut. They aren't anime characters in real life, you are getting certain specific types to act like that as chuubas. If you play with fire then you'll get burned.

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>>54670954
>they aren't anime characters in real
I do not give a fuck. I DO NOT KNOW THEM IN REAL LIFE EITHER.
So why would I care about them personally? Exactly.
>something something fire something
If you truly wanted homocollabs, you would have ponied up the dough. But you didn't. Back to TwiXter with you, refugee.

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>>54655585
/vt/ genuinely believes that the point of vtubing is 'pretend to be in a relationship with an anime girl'. The idea that people could watch it for entertainment just never enters their heads.

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>>54671010
Ironic since Mori makes more than every EN