/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Is it time to forgive Mori? She knows she made mistakes

[Anonymous No.]

what am i supposed to be concentrating on here

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Laughing at the fact that any time there's a pro-Mori thread in the catalog, deadbeats assume it's actually an anti thread made to bait hate
Like, there is no configuration of events where someone might positively of Mori, and deadbeats subconsciously know it

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>>54509514
https://youtu.be/b1_RKu-ESCY
https://youtu.be/b1_RKu-ESCY
https://youtu.be/b1_RKu-ESCY

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>>54509563
The lyrics

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where is her brapcircles, her vwhorejo/TT buddies to save her now that she is a numbersbeggar? she chose her FRIENDS

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>>54509567
>where someone might positively of Mori
might think positively*

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>>54509586
pretend i'm retarded and explain it to me word by word

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>>54509514
Did she apologize?

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>>54509567
>deadbeats assume it's actually an anti thread made to bait hate
You're half right. Deadbeats are severely defensive and gatekeep themselves way too much. But at the same time, I do think some antis do it on purpose because they know what the reaction will be

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>>54509514
She recently talked about being a numberfag and that "all the girls do it, whether they talk about it on-stream or not". I get the feeling that she's slowly coming to understand what people want.
Still, she then instantly went on to say that she's moving to the Fauna/Ina timeslot, which she'll get demolished in. Some things never change. Mori, if you're somehow reading this:
- Stick to one timeslot. That's 70% of the reason Fauna inclined.
- Grow your audience in that timeslot long-term.
- Don't overlap other girls unless there's no other choice.

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>>54509567
I mean everyone knows catalog is a shithole.

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>>54509588
So true sister, don't forget to cut for Vox tonight!

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>>54509655
She did Tempiss collabs and shat on her fans thinking she could get away scott free and in the year of Our Lord 2023 her channel is pretty much dead, her viewership is at all time lows and she realized all the twitter troons who egged her on into destroying her career were lying and never had any intention of supporting her long term like all the gachis she chased away did

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>>54509514
>Post it in /#/ >>54508751
>Post in global >>>54509302
>Make a catalog
The state of Mori schizos lol
>>54509655
I guess he wants you looks lines he's hyper-focused on to derive that a song about the negatives of celebrity is about her CCV or some shit

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>>54509755
Cover probably pokes them about numbers, they just aren't as psychopathic about it as Ratjisanji is.
In Mori's case I don't really know why you'd bother though, most of the money she makes for company clearly is never gonna be from CCV.

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>>54509514
The only way I’d forgive her is if she stopped being a leech and focused on Hololive and apologizes to her former fans.

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>>54509588
not to mention tempus.

I think she has maybe finally caught on that very few people care about her just for being her but do care 200% about trying to ride her name for clout. in the case of ironmouse it's just mutual as the argument but IM just clout chases whoever all the time in the name of leeching, or whoops I mean unity.

the irony of ironies is the deadbeats who stuck with all her shit are the ones who like her for being her.. at least as best as they know her from what they have seen as mori. deadbeats don't have clout to gain from her name. they just like her. I dunno if any of this dawned on her yet or maybe Dimitri sat down and explained (or demanded) some things but it's interesting to see.

also the mystery of vesper/magni missing along with the girls putting in a lot more distance to the holostars is also a "hmmm" thing. like was there a falling-out or some kind of accusation/line crossed that seriously turned the girls on them, was it vesper/magni fighting with staff again unrelated to the girls, or is it more a mandated thing from Jap trying to save EN.

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>>54509514
I'll give her 3 months of no Homo/Lean/Twitchleechers and just pure Holobox
>I'll support her

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>>54509514
Nope, never gonna do that cuckbeat.

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>>54509802
Aint it fun how it always turns like this?
Everyone seems to forget the one rule of 'idols'.

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>>54509802
Why do people think Tempus collabs effected her channel at all when she has been doing male collabs before Tempus

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>>54509802
what about that 'doubling down' and 'triple the stakes' part?

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>>54509952
Shh, don't let reality get in the way of a good rrat.

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>>54509849
Not CCV but relevance. The peak of her music career was in the first half of 2021 and she's been on a long slow downslide ever since. Remember that the first six months of Moris career in Hololive was characterized by a festering resentment of the Hololive "bubble" and Kiara said Mori was hounding EN management for months to let her do collabs outside Hololive before the first Ironmouse collab.

The line
>Thinking I could take what was perfect and "fix it"
Relates directly to that period of her career when she kept trying to "fix" HoloEN by moving it more towards her favorite e-celebs and Vshojo.

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>>54510052
>the peak of her music career was before she was signed to universal

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>>54510089
Yep. 100%. Even cuckbeats think her UMG stuff is hot garbage

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>>54509514
Leave B̶r̶i̶t̶n̶e̶y̶ Mori alone

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>>54510143
>he's still seething over reddit posts

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>>54509952
The early collabs with Rikka were fine. It was a song collab and Rikka as a Holostar follows the same idol mindset of working hard to entertain his fans.

What soured me most of all was the collab with Trash Taste since they shit on Hololive. She considers them her friends then that is on her. But if they can't respect how much my oshi works hard both on stream and off stream and how they give their best on her performances then fuck them, they lost all my respect and Mori loses some of it by taking their side.

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>>54510189
Off With Their Heads caused irreversible damage to 2views, vtweeters, and SEA urchins.

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>>54509514
As long as she leeches and yuribaits off my oshi, sets a precedent that it’s ok to cuck your fans with a BF and supports the cause no reasonable hardcore fan would forgive her, despite what astroturfing deadbeats and they jannies want you to think

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>>54510231
Connor was right. Advent just proved him right again. They havent done anything and have almost 200k subs pre-debut

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lmao no

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>>54510052
this, like it or not CCV is something to keep in mind for answering the question of who currently matters. you can have 50 million subs but if nobody is watching your streams then that telegraphs something is off-kilter about perceived popularity vs actual.

at the same time CCV isn't everything, an excellent chuuba can be a literal 2 or 3view and just not be noticed from not having the right associations/connections etc. however a low-view chuuba might be low because she isn't really gaining new fans with her content and people have been wandering off over time and that's what it looks like with mori. mori was never the mega-star with CCV ever due to her time zone, but a steady decline relative to even that mid-tier level she peaked at has got to have been noticed. a chuuba with 100 viewers going down to 50 is still a 50% loss etc. I dunno if mori thinks she can compete for top-dog type CCV but probably is mindful about at least trying to stabilize and maybe recover some of the ground she's lost.

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>>54510269
2views in contrast to Vtweeters who are actually retarded are an important booman for deadbeats, despite most of them trying to suck off and give credit to their oshi, because admitting that Hololive fans don’t like Mori would be admitting defeat

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>>54510295
KFP I assume?

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>>54510304
Connor is a bitch using a cripple for personal gain.

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>>54509514
KWAB.

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>>54509823
Morischizos...what even is the reason for this? How can you be so invested in hating someone else to this degree?

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>>54509952
>>54509985
NTA but it wasn't really the Tempus collabs, at least not entirely. Mori was starting to spiral downwords ever since the lean arc. The Tempus collabs as a whole kind of just exacerbated the whole thing since it split the fanbase in two and people from one side viewed Mori as the enemy. It also didn't help that she and her deadbeats were kind of divorced from the greater Hololive box at the time so no one was there to mend fences for her or give her some sort of lifeline. She's done an admirable job of trying to get herself back into the good graces of the greater Hololive fandom, but it's gonna be a looonngg time before that bares any fruit. It's easier to maintain trust than to fix it once its broken.

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>>54509952
>Implying the people posting this shit knew about Hololive before tempus debuted

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I wish I could read

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>>54509755
She is moving in that timeslot to give space to the new girls, she probably knows it's not going to be good for her viewership but it's a catch 22

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>>54510375
Why would it be admitting defeat?

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>>54510428
anon the phrase 'doubling down' meant she probably won't change at all

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>>54510295
Nigga, if she's yuri baiting, that's already cucking, more pathetic than if she were cucking you with a dude. Imagine being so undesirably she would rather munch a carpet than tickle your pickle. Yuri faggotry not even once.

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>>54510304
Getting into Hololive != doing nothing

His girlfriend knows this which is why they were eager to sign up former members.

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>>54510488
Because it is important that mori has FRIENDS in hololive

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>>54509514
I forgave her for being a dumb ass a long time ago and now just try to avoid her as best I can. this isn't the first time that she's realized the e-celebs she wants to hang out with aren't her friends and stuck to the holobox for a bit

[Anonymous No.]

I keep seeing these 'Mori is good now' threads. I'll consider unblocking her channel to check for myself.

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>>54510052
>>54510343
Everyone peaked in 2021. Suisei is still making progress, but vtubing is still a bubble where people are judged based on their character and not just their music, when you have the latter alone with no vtuber loving bias, things can get pretty brutal/bleak.

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>>54510422
>Is it time to forgive Mori?
>"wtf why you hate her so much!?"
brainworms

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>>54510231
>What soured me most of all was the collab with Trash Taste since they shit on Hololive. She considers them her friends then that is on her.
It's baffling how still talking about fucking TRASH TASTE in 2023 lmao
Those collabs were all paid for by Cover, were nearly 3 years, and she has not interreacted with any of the members in like 2 years
How FUCK the do you let some literally who welshmen live THIS rent free?

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>>54510189
Gonna cry?
All her fuck ups were peak comedy and after she stopped generate drama like airbnb, liking cuckbeat comics, lean, lying about TTfags apologizing for talking shit about Holos she became irrelevant. Since 2view genocide all her popularity originated from drama and diss songs, she's drama queen and without drama she will die

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>>54510543
>he fell for the psyop

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>>54510304
I think connor said that before he started cozying up to iron mouse but it's still funny how vsj poached two former holos. So according to him her corpo took in talentless hacks who only got famous because of blue dorito

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>>54509514
she's found her resolve. really regretted joining a den of snakes and fakers (hololive). BASED MORI

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>>54510551
>but vtubing is still a bubble where people are judged based on their character and not just their music
That's a good thing. Normies will never accept vtubing so if you want people to listen to your music you need to get them invested in you. Suisei makes progress because she plays the game right, making connections with other Holos and making sure she's always a prominent member of Hololive.

Also not everyone peaked in 2021. Plenty of Holos are in a much better position now than they were back then

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>>54510491
Eh. Her actions tell me otherwise. Again, that's something that needs to be commended. Trying to fix things, even if it's too late already or even if it won't ever be the same, is a lot better than just giving up.

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>>54510582
>Those collabs were all paid for by Cover
Only the first one was.

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>>54509514

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>>54510491
She's been putting in noticeably more effort over the past few months. I think her desire to change course is genuine.

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>>54509952
Because tempus is the new <ina's manager>. Living rentfree in the heads of /vt/'s schizos as the thing to blame for everything.

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>>54510590
>airbnb, liking cuckbeat comics, lean, lying about TTfags apologizing for talking shit about Holos
It's funny how Mori's biggest """Yabs""" are things that are either nothingburgers or shit that has to be skewed so hard to make her look bad the only way you logically think like is if you already hate her

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>>54510683
Hoomans, KFP I thought avoiding men would save them?

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>>54509755
Which stream is this from?

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>>54510712
Lol it's painfully clear to holo management and even the Advent girls themselves that tempus is poison. One of the Advent girls even unliked a tweet after she realised it was an emote of the blue guy from tempus like she just stepped on dog crap

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>>54510622
he said it before then said it again on mouse's stream while she desperately tried to make him either shut up or move to another topic. it was pretty funny

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>>54509567
>implying the catalog isnt a culture war zone for shitters of all angles
>as if no one would ever craft a post for the sole purpose of gaining a reply
>especially not the ones who keep spamming the same threads over and over
>what the fuck is (rage) bait
This is genuinely one of the best attempts at gaslighting I have seen on this board.
Whoever you're oshi is, she should be proud she has a real psychopath like you willing to anti her uhh peers and their fans.

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>>54510739
And yet her viewership has noticeably reclined a lot more than any other EN both in live viewership and song views. Curious how you try to claim everything is in peoples heads and yet there have been very real and measurable changes to the number of people willing to watch her content.

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>>54509755
>That's 70% of the reason Fauna inclined.
100% of the reason is because Ina and Gura who overlap her mostly stopped streaming for a year. Fauna averaged ~4k before they went on constant breaks.

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>>54510832
JUST LEAVE HER ALONE
SHE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG IN MONTHS

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>>54510787
>This is genuinely one of the best attempts at gaslighting I have seen on this board.
Pretending to be retarded is as old as this entire site. The novelty is that there are enough newfags now that they can actually be gaslight into believing this shit is true.

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>>54510916
Yeah thats the fucking point you mong, whether or not she should be given a second chance.

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>>54510832
>And yet her viewership has noticeably reclined
Everyone's has but you choose to hyper focus on her
>song views
Literally not true lol, also
>>54510832
>>54510916
Weird samefag

[Anonymous No.]

Should've not be a progressive white liberal woman.

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>>54510787
Global got spun off from hlg because it's designed to collect the redditshit who filters over here and it's worked wonderfully well in that regard

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>>54510987
>Should've not be
And you should've learnt english before posting here

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>>54510709
this isn't the first or even second time she rejoined the holobox. I'll wait to see if she goes back to wanting to collab with her precious flesh streamers again

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>>54510787
(You) are literally proving his point

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>>54510779
HoloEN is healing. This bodes well for Advent. It'll take time to clean up the mess omega and the homos have done. Some damage to the likes of mori, ame, and kronii may be permanent, but at least the downwards spiral has stopped.

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>>54510787
Cry harder cuckbeat

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>>54511015
It's funny when catalogfaggots try to shit on global as if it's not the reason it exist
If they're "redditshit" then what the fuck does that make you? lol

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Only newfags think Mori's biggest yab was Tempus. The girl wore out her welcome long before that. Mori got like 6 chances before Tempus even debuted. People would talk about the roller coaster or the constant up and down of her bullshit. "January Mori" was a fabled time when she was supposedly at her peak but even that was like after 3 yabs. January 2021 I might add. Less than 6 months after her debut people were already sick of her bullshit. She's gotten more chances than anyone else and certainly more than she deserves and I say this as someone who submitted an entry to her remix contest. And musically she peaked with End of a Life.

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>>54511138
We trained you to hate the catalog so you'd out yourselves in the wild and we'd know we're talking to redditfags lmao. Same reason we let you think "rrat" was short for "narrative" for years. Handy to have shibboleths to know the tourists.

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>>54510231
This is really it.
You fagaloons can cry about Blue OmegaA and his gay boys club all you want. But it was going onto Gigcuck's Hololive Hate Hour that really hurt her numbers.
Well, that and the shitshow that was Mythbreakers. She alienated a lot of deadbeats first by doing a tabletop podcast. Then again by doing it very shittily.

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>>54510761
The western vtuber bubble is popping now that covid is as over as it will ever be. Now only the people with a lot of intertia (Gura, Ina) or actual good content (Fauna) still get views.

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>>54511213
>that really hurt her numbers
Even back in 2020?

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>>54511213
The TTRPG was a good idea, but it was really something that needed to be very tightly run and planned out. She really should've got White Wolf to design her a short 3-4 hour campaign

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>>54509514
Sure

>>54509710
>imblying something like that would happen
This is the best you'll get, she is making an effort just by putting those feelings out

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>>54510143
She must've been on painkillers or something for that whole deal

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>>54509952
you almost got it. keep going

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>>54509802
When I read through that angst drivel I didn't get the vibe of something so specific. From what I understand, the person behind the character is the opposite of what anime otaku want. People like her are the reason some say that anime characters are pure of heart unlike real people, people like her are the reason they say 2DPD. Now she's a VTuber and streams for an audience of mostly coomers, but for those that are anime otaku they have to ignore all of the truth and delude themselves into thinking she's something she's not.

As a 20 something in that kind of position she's going to have a lot of angsty feeling but they're not that special, it's very normie core, it's very self-obsessed westoid behavior. But if her fans are so self-absorbed they think it's because of such a specific collab, then I guess you can say they deserve each other.

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>>54511183
>We trained you to hate the catalog so you'd out yourselves in the wild
>"We trained you hate shit stained toile bowl known the /vt/ catalog so you'd out yourself!!
Ogey
Also
>We
Please don't try LARP as an /hlg/ or /VirtualYoutuber/ oldfag since this very board's existence is antithetical to everything they believed

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>>54509881
Since when was she ever an idol? Fool you once shame on them, but lets be real she's not fooling anyone, she's always been like this.

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>>54511456
That doesn't mesh with any of those lyrics at all.

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>>54511481
>/hlg/ wants a vtubing board for a year
>Fastest thread on /jp/ for months
>Get one
>Globalfags claim it's all them
kek

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>>54511524
I didn't say I'm explaining the lyrics. Her lyrics are just generic angst and self-importance.

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>>54510832
For most of EN, streaming is all they have. Mori can simply just keep releasing music at her usual pace and she'll keep sitting comfortably at the top in views. She's not the one you should be worrying about

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>>54510491
The complete verse is "doubling down and double-triple the stakes".
I think she means that she will keep going for those big projects (like the One Piece Collab) despite the fact that her smaller core fanbase and big hate-base makes it much more likely that it will eventually explode in her face.

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>>54511578
>>/hlg/ wants a vtubing board for a year
Based newfag
When you'd learn about this place? Are you a tempus tourist, Rushia gate tourist, a lean tourist, or a Coco graduate?

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>>54510764
https://www.youtube.com/live/wimNdBaTjm4?feature=share&t=5528
At around 1:31:52

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>>54511634
>despite the fact that her smaller core fanbase and big hate-base
Lmao

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>>54511636
Yes, we did because it was fucking retarded to have a single thread reaching the bump limit within an hour of being created 24 hours a day. Ironic that you call people tourists and yet you somehow think people being crammed into a single general rather than having multiple threads of discussion is how 4chan works. /hlg/ was very much an unusual situation, a thread having more traffic than most boards.

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>>54509849
It's interesting, because in the latest shareholder meeting, Cover specifically said that they don't use vod views and CCV for performance metrics. Obviously profits is the most important thing at the end of the day and you can't really quantify things like mindshare and merch sales by CCV alone. However, it seems really silly to say that viewership doesn't matter at all. I'm thinking they use profits for long-term performance metrics, but the talents themselves use CCV for short-term guidance on what resonates with audiences.

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>>54511634
what about this line then

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>>54511767
Whats funny is that globalfags who came here think that's a normal thing, hence all their "catalog bad" nonsense. They've never posted on any other board and it shows.

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>>54509514
>still collabs with males
Nah.

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>>54511715
Last I checked she was still hated on twitter by a lot of very vocal 2views, has the situation changed since then?

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>>54511148
She lost me when she hid her collab partner because it was Gigguk and she knew the reaction would be negative. Of course she made it worse by being high-energy with him after phoning in a bunch of Hololive collabs.

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>>54510832
What the fuck happened in August that crashed her viewership
Pretty sure her yabs all happened long before that

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>>54510452
Well, it's also to not have to compete with the new girls, who will be all the rage for at least a couple of months forward. This is just going to keep happening more and more as new gens are released and they all overlap.

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>>54511767
>Yes, we
Cute newfag
I'll spoonfed you
Literally nobody; neither /hlg/ or /hlgg/ wanted a vtuber because everyone already knew it'd become a gossiping shithole like it is now. /vt/ was basically forced upon us
/hlg/ hates this place so they that they didn't bother to migrate

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>>54511835
She is both psyching her up and reaffirming the fact that always shooting big regardless of the risk is a core part of what she is as a person.

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>>54511875
Yeah ironically it was the one piece thing cause it was the first time I've seen hate for her on there get met with pushback from holofans and non-biased commentators

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>>54510761
It's not that simple. Collabing with men is always a debuff, but it's not the only one. Mumei has had severe medical problems which has prevented her from regular streaming. Viewership will take a dive during and after something like that unfortunately. As for Kiara, she's a special case because of her personality, timezone and fanbase. Avoiding males won't guarantee you viewership, but not doing so is guaranteed to lower it.

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>>54510231
The trash taste Collab predated the song with Rikka and they were under kadokawa which is conveniently the same company bookwalker is under. Why are you pretending Cover isn't involved here?

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>>54510052
Honestly, out of all her "yabs" her behavior in the debut months is still the most cringeworthy of all.
No attempt to blend in or adapt to the culture, not showing an ounce of respect for how things are being done, zero humility for this new environment you're supposedly "not comfortable" with.
Just immediately
>RAAARGH I HAVE TO CHANGE THE CULTURE I HAVE TO BURST THE BUBBLE I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU INCELS
Fucking despicable.
I still remember how she begged for her stupid Charlie collab, literally the first fucking thing she did. And when management told her to fuck off she threw a temper tantrum, vowed to make it happen one day anyway because your boy has a way with words, and did some weird fake-duet karaoke with him as protest.

The peak comedy was when after that disastrous Gura collab she pulled off a Gigguk collab where she was hyper-enthusiastic and talkative (fucking typical) in stark contrast to her Holo collabs. And the comment section boiled over with schizos and antis calling her out over the duality.
At this point I honestly don't care if she "learned to love Hololive" or whatever the fuck, the fact that she acted like this for so long says a lot about the kind of person she is.

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>>54511990
She did an interview where she threw a pity party for herself and said haters were nitpicking her with criticisms.

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>>54512212
What kinda person is she then?

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>>54512212
She's a rich girl who's never had to deal with real consequences for her behavior and never will

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>>54510787
Nigger why do you come to catalog? I don't understand anons like you, you literal cry baby, just stalking catalog threads to cry in them. Kys. I love catalog for its shitposts and culture wars, if I didn't like it, I would stick to my generals which I don't shit up.

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>>54510880
lol, you can believe that if you want.

>>54511990
Declines don't happen overnight. The very vocal people who say they'll leave instantly in protest are in the extreme minority, but they sometimes echo the sentiments of a silent larger group, who will give you more chances before quietly leaving. That's the real risk of yabs. It's hard to reach this group of people, because they don't feel strongly enough about the issue to speak up. They'll just disappear without acknowledging why.

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>>54512340
>Declines don't happen overnight
The graph literally shows that it did

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>>54511990
>What the fuck happened in August that crashed her viewership
She played LiveALive (an SNES JPRG from 1994) and VA-11 Hall-A (a visual novel)

A lot of these "LOOK AT HOW MUCH SHE'S DECLINED" charts and threads are fucking retarded because they require to ignore the context that she enjoys streaming stuff that's numbers poison and that much her ""decline"" is literally just self-inflected

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>>54511996
Retard kys

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>>54512358
You're reading too much into the details. That curve could be a number of things, like an extended break or a couple of shilling/debuff streams with low numbers. The overall trend is more important.

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>>54511578
>/hlg/ wants a vtubing board for a year
RORU
RUMAO even

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>>54512327
Now this is a chink post. Probably underage too.

[Anonymous No.]

>make a thread to complain about mori
>deadbeats shit on you
>next thread complain about deadbeats because they hurt your feelings
Is must get tiring

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>>54512212
>I still remember how she begged for her stupid Charlie collab, literally the first fucking thing she did. And when management told her to fuck off she threw a temper tantrum
This didn't happen tho
>did some weird fake-duet karaoke with him as protest.
Not only did you get timeline because this happened before managment shot her down idea, but it wasn't a "duet" or anything she just sang on of his songs in an unarchived

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>>54512212
Yeah that's definitely valid criticism. It's so weird that she got successful overnight and her first reaction wasn't to try and understand this culture she wasn't familiar with but to try and mold it to her personal tastes. It was an extremely stupid and shortsighted decision from someone who didn't realize the moment she was was living in, thinking it would all just keep going up from there.

On the bright side I see signs she looks back at that attitude and realizes how terrible it was for both her and Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54510781
fuck i want to witness this

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512323
Eh she wasn't rich for longest time but wasn't poor either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512323
Lets take rich with a pinch of salt here. She claimed she was from the hood and struggled or something but that was obviously fake. It's not like she's flying around in private jets or has holiday houses in various first-world countries. Some members of her family have some money to live comfortably, and she doesn't need to worry about what will happen if things fall through, but you wouldn't take her to anything fancy or have her around in polite company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512565
Retard, if you're this fucking willing to argue in a shit bait thread at least learn English

[Anonymous No.]

why are deadbeats seething? i guess the "Mori's success" fag who keep spamming /hlg/ and /hlgg/ killed himself already?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512565
>blatantly lying
KWAB

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512613
The longest seethe posts here are still complaining about mori tho...

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512599
>She claimed she was from the hood and struggled or something but that was obviously fake
Where did she claim this and what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512599
>She claimed she was from the hood
What the fuck are you talking about? She has never claimed she is from hood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
I forgive Mori
I forgive Bae
I forgive Ame

[Anonymous No.]

>trusted her shitty IRL rap "posse" who told her vtubing is cringe
>got abandoned by them
>trusted her disgusting e-celeb cloutwhore circle who told her vtubing is cringe
>got abandoned by them
>5 billion years later she finally gets the idea of maybe associating with her co-workers more and actually making friends with them

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
I know brown ESL's don't believe a person can change, but I gave her a 2nd chance after her redemption arc. Just don't treat Hololive as a simple stepping stone again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512595
>>54512599
She merely grew up in one of the top 15 richest neighborhoods in the entire United States of America. She's just one of us common folk!

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512802
Eternal reminder:
>learned to drive in a Ferrari

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512802
Which is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512789
which redemption arc would that be?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512456
>>>/jp/thread/29609574#p29610430
>>>/jp/thread/29609574#p29610478
>>>/jp/thread/29609574#p29610562
>>>/jp/thread/29609574#p29610625
>>>/jp/thread/31095374#p31097181
>>>/jp/thread/27297683#p27335424
Literally the replies to your cherrypicked post are negative
Pic related quite literal predicted what /vt/ would be like

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509588
Literally crying because no one likes them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512802
>>54512862
>It's the "SHE CAN'T BE POOR HER GRANDPA HAD FERRARI!! schizo
Do you ever get bored of writting fan fiction about this women's

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512802
>>54512862
Anons, her whole history is on internet for free you to see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54511326
You mean Paradox Interactive? Because White Wolf has been nothing more than a licensing house since 2016 or so. All WoD content is made by third parties now.
What she really needed to do was run a few sessions in private with this group before running anything live and for the love of fuck make sure everyone wanted to be there to play. Not just wanted the paycheck.

>>54511303
That opened the door for roommate shit. Because we're not supposed to talk about roommate stuff here I wont' say more to track Mori's decline you have to. Her treating Hololive like a stepping stone to boost her roommate is why she's failing so hard. And Trash Taste is both the origination of it and an ongoing fault.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512862
I know SEA is a communal society and shares wealth among the clan but grandparents with money doesn't necessarily translates to the parents having money, especially if they're disowned or made to fend for themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512888
Most people back then agreed that a vtuber board was needed. I'd know, I was one of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512872
Highland Park (Texas)

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513053
Ogey LARPchama

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512669
>>54512674
She wanted to appear poor and struggling for her rap credentials.
>>54512802
And? Singapore is one of the richest places on Earth but nobody thinks SEAs are like royalty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513062
Stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513081
>Screenshot a post with "incel" in it
Totally legitimate and not a sister lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512580
https://twitter.com/vtubercringe/status/1453933658591543300?s=46

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512862
You don't have one pilot or one doctor or lawyer in your extended family?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513054
>doesn't necessarily translates
It's fucking embarrassing how you SEAbeats always try to claim everyone else is SEA with your abysmal ESL posts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509755
She's certainly the most numberfaggy out of holoen right now. Kiara is a numberfag too, but she doesn't act on it nearly as much. I think she might be projecting a little bit. All of them care about their numbers, but that doesn't make them numberfags like Mori
>OPEN VC
>OPEN VC
>HUGE ANNOUNCEMENT
>???
>FOTM

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512888
>>>/jp/thread/29609574#p29610625
That's a literal reddit tourist retardo. Didn't the /incel/ tip you off?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512888
/hlg/ back on /jp/ had just as much doxxing and trannyseethe as the catalog does today if not more. Nowadays /hlg/ basically acts the same except they straight up invent fiction like "IRyS is married" which technically isn't even doxxing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513129
>>54513246
Yes newfagchama the proposed idea for an Internet celebrity board was shorted to /incel/
The point was to embarrass retards who wanted that

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512802
Unless you grew up in a dead mining town or a ghetto: lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513300
Nobody wanted an internet celebrity board they wanted a vtuber board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509755
Mori, if you're somehow reading this:
You're a fine plappig that needs to get plapped.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513168
Not that anon, but you doth protest too much. Anon made some minor grammatical errors in a shitpost thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
i want to see a few months of good behaviour then

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513388
>Nobody wanted an internet celebrity board
Literally one of the reasons /vt/ exist is because /v/ and /qa/ wanted one and co-oped vtubers to get it done

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513435
Let them cope. Finding a minor spelling error in a post is their only real method of deflecting these days

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513499
That has absolutely nothing to do with hlg wanting a specific vtuber board though. What /v/ and /qa/ wanted is irrelevant. Nobody in hlg wanted an internet celebrities board they wanted a vtuber board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
most posts here and bait and shitpost so i'll be the one to give an honest response.
Mori has been on her best behavior since she joined UMG,
i used to genuinely hate her but she earned my respect and admiration because she works harder than anybody else and nobody can deny that, she achieved so many impressive things i would never have guessed a vtuber could do and is extremely talented when it comes to forming connections, she managed to work with many big artists and companies, her contribution to Hololive as a whole makes her one of the pillars of the company and she completely deserves her spot, not to mention that she has been very respectful to both her fans and colleges.
Mori has grown a lot as a person and i'm glad she joined Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>Should we forgive Mori?
>Cuckbeats rush into the thread and act as cancerous as possible to drum up more hatred for themselves
Bless them. With fans like the cuckbeats who needs antis?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513054
>disowned or made to fend for themselves
LOL. You can find her sister's resume online where she uses her rich great-aunt as a reference to get a job. Give me a break.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513728
Well we know her sister sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513588
>That has absolutely nothing to do with hlg wanting a specific vtuber board though.
They didn't want one, they were just a hub for discussion of what is effectively internet celebrities
>What /v/ and /qa/ wanted is irrelevant.
Them seeing /hlg/ and /hlgg/'s speed was literally was the inspiration to use to vtubers to justify the of an internet celebrity board
>Nobody in hlg wanted an internet celebrities board they wanted a vtuber board.
They didn't want either, if they had it their way /vt/ would not exist

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513689
Right? The OPs literally talking about how it looks like she regrets her actions, whether you believe that or not, and deadbeats somehow showed up and turned it into another "God I hate Mori, fuck Mori" thread. How the fuck do they even do that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54514139
>They didn't want either, if they had it their way /vt/ would not exist
I was posting on /hlg/ back then and I wanted a vtuber board as did many others. The fact some dissented doesn't change that fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54514139
>vtubers are just internet celebrities
Fucking globaltrash I swear to god

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
Everybody makes mistakes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513602
> i used to genuinely hate her
Why and when did you hate her

[Anonymous No.]

Mori is an western liberal white woman who sorrounds herself with retards. She was being her irl self in her assigned Vtuber avatar most of the time for the past 3 years. She's not going to change for you and no one else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54511834
It's still crazy to me that a company that uses a third party in a foreign country (youtube) to host all their content has shareholders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513168
Protip: it's a common SEA trait that assumes that extended family riches matter.

This is also why it paints you directly either a Flip or a Chunk because those values are directly from there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54516702
>why it paints you directly either a Flip or a Chunk
Oh, SEAchama, you try so hard but fail every time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54515325
>"I was retarded and in the minority back then!"
Ogey
>>54515451
Reading compression reps newfagchama
>>vtubers are just internet celebrities
Yes dumbfuck, to /v/ and /qa/ faggots who see them as a means to end, they absolutely are. You think some retarded /v/ermin who wants post about AVGN cares about vtubers? also
>download.jpg
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>54516275
She just posted Blue Wave shit on her other twitter today

[Anonymous No.]

>>54516940
You know people can check and see you lying, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>Live concert with Mori in it going on
>Thinking there are ANY actual deadbeats in this thread and not trolls trolling trolls
LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

I am a certified psychiatrist and I can say that all of you are diagnosed with the rentfreetempusculitis syndrome. I can, suggest two types of treatment that will cure you all from rentfreetempusculitis, first I could prescribe you a a prescription of haloperidol rispedal xanax ritalin and ambient for sleep or you could just go to your nearest gun shop purchase a gun go home point it to your head and pull the trigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54510779
>Thread reader

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
If she actually stopped doing homocollabs i’d probably forgive her, but I really doubt that’s gonna happen, it’s like mori said, she’s a choosing beggar, she wants to have her cake and eat it too. She wants her fans to come back but she’s not fixing what people disliked about her

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
No, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54516275
huh but the avatar isn't fat at all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509796
You guys are retarded, let me give you a little hint, if someone on this board is hating on mori/kronii/tempus, then they probably dislike nijisanji too

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509856
I think hololive is tryint to resurrect the myth era bu recreating the circumstances that allowed myth to blow up (aside from covid, they can’t do much about that), and therefore holostars is a no go, bae flopping after she brought up holostars prolly made them realize that they are in fact viewership poison (
(Plus mori, kronii and ame too but bae is the most glaring)

[Anonymous No.]

>>54516275
Anon, like nearly all the EN girls are left leaning. The only reason you don't know it is because they never bring up politics during work, including Mori.
Who cares what they do in their personal life.

[Anonymous No.]

Love Mori.
Simple as.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54516887
Most people wanted a vtuber board back then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513053
>Most people
Bull shit, your kind was the minority.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54516887
>Yes dumbfuck, to /v/ and /qa/ faggots who see them as a means to end
Are not relevant. hlg was asking for a vtuber board for months before EN even showed up. Globalfag revisionist history is wild.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54516887
So...A vtuber board was wanted by some posters and some others who characterized vtubers as "Internet Celebrities" and said it would be /incel/ didn't want the board.

So you're taking the side of the redditfags who say vtubers are internet celebrities and saying they represented the will of hlg who definitely did argue for a vtuber board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54516887
>Yes dumbfuck, to /v/ and /qa/ faggots who see them as a means to end
But your post with people saying they don't want one is calling it "Internet Celebrities" so the people against /vt/ were just /v/ and /qa/ fags by your own admission.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513728
>>54513054
>>54512802
There are also lots of US white people that think they're upper class or something because their family has some money or they went to private school. In another thread there are people that think they're ojousamas because their dad is a roof repair contractor and they went to private school but no college. When they stream they slur their words and say the dumbest stuff. They haven't been trained to be polite or have manners, and don't know or do anything interesting. They think that because their parents or family earn just a little more than the poor and just enough to support their laziness that they're not common people. In reality they're usually just slobs that are well provided for.

So you're caught between these two different interpretations here, because classically class isn't just wealth, it's also social class. Someone can be financially well off but still be a bottom feeder intellectually and socially, and barely above the average financially. I can't think of any vtuber that conveys a sense of class, they're just financially stable, which rejects a claim to having a hard life but also rejects a claim to being upper class.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54511629
her music is, objectively, only growing in popularity when it comes to actual strong listeners and not just people checking out rapping anime girl for the gimmick. her order numbers are up, she's collaborating with tons of artists she loves, doing a song for one piece.
the idea that she's irrelevant is hilarious when her music career, the part of her life she cares about the most, is exploding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54511104
i think ame just doesn't care, she's mostly just doing things behind the scenes at this point, and she's probably just trying to become the a-chan of the EN branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513602
>le reformed anti falseflag
This board needs IDs so bad it’s not even funny anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
Fuck off with your astroturfing, deadbeat. The only reason Mori is crawling back to the Hololive ecosystem is because her CCV and income took a MASSIVE hit these past 6 months. And her ironic weeb cancer E-celeb expat friends forgot she exists now that they can't use her to grow their channels. I can GUARANTEE that if her CCV ever recovers (it won't) she'll be right back to being 2021 Mori. That's the kind of fucking person she is. I hope for Kiara's sake it doesn't happen because she'll also start treating her like shit again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513602
>i used to genuinely hate her
Doubt

[Anonymous No.]

>>54511629
>>54510683
>>54521155
Mori is number 1 in every metric. Including subs because Gura only has dead subs and doesn't stream. Here is the CCV chart that includes july that fixes antis their fake charts. She recovered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54517909
Open wide
>>54428020
>>54428266

Before:
>https://web.archive.org/web/20230701181934/https://hololivesummer2023.hololivepro.com/en/unit/holotori
>A unit full of bird-related members from all across *hololive production.*
After:
>https://hololivesummer2023.hololivepro.com/en/unit/holotori
>A unit full of bird-related members from all across *hololive.*

[Anonymous No.]

>>54521155
What kinda person you think she is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54515063
The most proficient saboteurs of vtubers are always their most hardcore fans. Whether they defend indefensible behavior and shut down legitimate feedback from their peers, or actively try to filter out "not true fans" from the audience, they tend to be the ones who get their oshi stuck in a rut.
Look at Kronii for example, she has her own (very vocal) mod clique composed of her most trusted dickriders, and they're actively scaring people away from her streams, all under the pretense to protect her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54521501
lol, there are other ways to defend Mori than to post obviously fake numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509755
Mori absolutely hates that she will never top RIP and it gets to her. She doesn't even like the song and called it super cringe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513160
jesus fuck that was painful. 10/10

[Anonymous No.]

>>54521501
>682
seems legit bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>54521501
lmao that makes me think the other stat image rolling around is comparing the entirety of 2022 to a fraction of 2023. Of course the average will be lower when people do that shit.

The stats will just improve as time goes on for Mori and Kronii. Gura's probably fucked though for her months long break though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54521790
It's pretty common among the smaller indies and corpos that the hardcore paypigs will actively encourage bad behaviors so fans will leave and they get more attention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509856
Who the fuck is Dimitri

[Anonymous No.]

>>54522262
The guy who replaced Omega as HoloEN's director.
His name is Dimitri Jap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54522262
Destroyer of Tempus, Slayer of Omega, Chumbud Alpha, Project Director of HoloEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>54510832
OOOOF

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512642
yes, the post he's respond to is
she didn't say a peep about Critikal till the sponsored TT interview and then he was the one to reach out, which was what - November?
also, she sang 3 of their songs across three different unarchived karaokes separated by like a year and a half in total - pseudo-duet my ass you drooling moron

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512579
>Yeah that's definitely valid criticism.
it would be if it wasn't filled with blantant lies
at that point you write that shit as schizo

[Anonymous No.]

>>54511629
>>54521501
>>54522208
Anon you have to be braindead fucking retarded to believe these numbers. They're so fucking fake they're not even worth adressing.
Not even iofi and anya get anywhere near the average it shows for Kiara.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54513121
>She wanted to appear poor and struggling for her rap credentials.
she did not
she wrote songs about how she literally didn't go through the same struggles
everything she ever said about her hardships was due to her insistence on trying to make it "on her own" (she wrote songs about that too)
meanwhile you cannot provide a single line supporting your babble

[Anonymous No.]

>>54522511
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdphpfJeon0
Kill yourself, pathologically lying gaslightbeat
>here comes the mental gymnastics about how this totally isn't a duet

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
No. Her crimes must not go unpunished

[Anonymous No.]

>>54522580
What were the lies in your view?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
This doesn't sound like she's acknowledging she made mistakes. These lyrics say
>I know people won't like me no matter what I do
>I could have been more popular but something went wrong
>Nobody will ever know the truth
>I'm going to double down on what I'm doing

[Anonymous No.]

>>54522691
>everyone who disagrees with me is a deadbeat!
>>54522937
because this is a bait thread from a falseflagger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54523061
It was a genuine question. I'm sorry you're so buckbroken you assume everything is a "falseflag" because you can't even fathom someone posting about Mori without bad intentions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54523061
Okay, I thought for a second I was going crazy. This song is the antithesis of taking responsibility for her actions. All it says is "things are so hard for me I don't know why, fuck the haters I'm the best". As expected, another nothing song from the brapper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
Nope, she's already shown she is a horrible person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54523218
>Giving importance to Mori's cred /here/
anyone who thinks this is "crucial battlefield" should be hung.

[Anonymous No.]

Antis can keep cheering about declining CCV numbers and posting their soundbites like they're running political ads.
Fans can keep cheering that she is streaming, releasing music, and finding more opportunities while she's also learned to fully enjoy Hololive.
I say both sides get what they want and what they deserve.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54523294
Yeah you're right Mori is massively popular outside /vt/, oh wait no she's not

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
Here's the problem about "forgiveness", you don't ever truly forgive because you can always forgive but never forget. This is why women still give men shit over let's say an affair that happened 5 years ago for example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54522384
>>54522445
Oh, cool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54523354
Anon, what kind of alternate reality do you live in?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54522768
it starts from first line really
Mori didn't know much about Holo, but while her inspiration was the most controversial and unusual member (Coco), she always walked the company line and respectful towards the work put by her predecessors, hell, she was the first person form HoloEN to even utter AZKi's name to promote her
her bubble breaking comment was retardedly misinterpreted because she was talking about her own bubble of collabs and we literally seen the outcome a few weeks after she uttered it since the amount of collabs with HoloJP spiked since then
the whole bit about Charlie is nonsense since the "pseudo duet" that supposedly happened in protest after her pushing for the collab happened like a month or two before said comment about having to push for the collab
the shit with Gigguk is also retarded because the main complaint about Gura collab was her being technically unprepared and when she did the prepwork for the very next collab she still ended up getting shit for it since it was with him; also the entire collab happened since she wanted to be better prepared for a SV collab with Kiara, since she got shit for the first one for also being underprepared (which led to her scrambling for anything to do or say during it)
she didn't actually have any problem being enthusiastic or talkative in the Gura collab aside from being tilted by the technical scuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
Damage has already been done. History has been written. People have moved on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54523687
>she always walked the company line and respectful towards the work put by her predecessors
She called Hololive an intolerable "bubble" within 6 months of joining and pretty much ignored that JP even existed with the sole exception of a Korone collab that Korone reached out for.

>we literally seen the outcome a few weeks after she uttered it since the amount of collabs with HoloJP spiked since then
This is just a fucking lie. Mori collabed more with Gigguk in 2021 than any one JP member.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
You will never get me to enjoy Mori

[Anonymous No.]

>>54523839
>Mori collabed more with Gigguk in 2021 than any one JP member
I am pretty sure that isn't true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54523972
>pretty sure
Then why not check? Are you afraid?

[Anonymous No.]

Mori's antis helped me to respect her more and more. I'm more concerned about why are you wasting your time here hating people and be proud of it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54524255
They never got over the lashing they got from Off With Their Heads.They still try to spam that she doesn't care about Hololive. They were sure all their attempts to cancel or ruin her would work. They started revealing their own fucked up fetishes and obsessions, thinking it reflected on her or their fans. Please understand, many of them are legitimately mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
I legit think IRyS groomed her into being a better idol

[Anonymous No.]

>>54524457
Read the lyrics in the OP. Even Mori acknowledges how hard she fucked up. White knighting her and pretending she did nothing wrong is pointless when she's grappling with the very real consequences of her early attitude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
No second chances

[Anonymous No.]

>>54524575
>use white knight in /vt/
Ok woman, i will pay you 10K USD if you let me cum inside you, deal?

[Anonymous No.]

>>54524575
She did wrong: she didn't really understand Hololive when she started, she pushed to try to change things bigger than her when she was just a novice, she didn't prepare for collabs, she tried to fight critics head-on and sometimes it backfired.
I can admit where she went wrong. I can also see how she's improved. These shit threads like to pretend it will forever be 2021.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54523839
she collabed with Coco three times, also shortly after the bubble comment she had her first collabs with Mel, Aki, Nene, Haachama, Marine, two collabs with Rushia and pushing heavily for HoloDeath and released her first cover with Suisei
disingenuous piece of shit

also she never ignored the existence of JP - she assisted Watame with a song in the most busy time of her life, working a full time job along with all her Holo streaming and recording at the same time only to get it out on time, having a holoJP collab song before majority of her branchmates even had an original out

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
>forgive
it's not like I'm holding a grudge, she's just boring and the way she talks makes me cringe

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
What song of hers is this? stopped listening to the karen for a while now

[Anonymous No.]

>>54524457
You know they're mentally ill when they projected their horse fetishes onto her. And these are mostly brown from sea where fucking animals is legal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509715
Mori calls them deadbeats because that's what they see them as. topkek

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
why does vt live so rent free in her mind. she's supposed to be mega successful, who cares.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54509514
The problem is her personality not whatever she said at some point

[Anonymous No.]

>>54524965
shhh...anon. deadbeats still havent realized this

[Anonymous No.]

>>54524966
Considering how many Mori threads there are at any given time, I'd say the feeling is mutual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54524927
Based SEA. faggots here in the west can be faggots but can't fuck their literal dog slaves or adult sisters

[Anonymous No.]

>>54512212
>weird fake-duet karaoke with him
it was even the "2019 guy" song, already calling her fans cucks that early on, kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>54525051
/vt/'s sidequest, while mori sleeps at night thinking how fucking over her career is

[Anonymous No.]

>>54525051
Only a schizo would interpret those lyrics in a way that it fits its narrative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>54524775
>also shortly after the bubble comment she had her first collabs with Mel, Aki, Nene, Haachama, Marine, two collabs with Rushia and pushing heavily for HoloDeath and released her first cover with Suisei
Note all of this happened AFTER her sperg out about not getting collabs with Charlie or Vshojo whores so you just ended up proving my point. Why complain you're in a fucking "bubble" if you haven't reached out to 90% of the members of Hololive or even met them at that point?

>also she never ignored the existence of JP
She did in her first 12 months. Mori barely wanted anything to do with any Hololive members outside her own gen.

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>>54525134
Anon, you have to let it go. She just got a great ovation off with Creepy Nuts.

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>>54512212
>the kind of person she is
What kind anon? The typical blonde retard?

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>>54525051
anon that's like if she stopped a concert because someone on the parking lot talks shit about her

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>>54525148
she was talking about closing herself in her own bubble, fucking retard
the whole point of that was becoming more comfortable reaching out to different people

>for the first 12 month
song with Watame was in the third month of her career
are you lying on purpose or is your brain just not working, I don't know what's worse but neither encourages continuing the conversation

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>>54509567
Deadbeats notoriously just call everything a falseflag. Even posts calling out falseflaggers are called falseflagging if they even slightly insinuate a negative opinion.
And even the people who callout the people who callout the people for falseflagging, get called falseflaggers/samefaggers
Its impossible to even have a dialogue with a Deadbeat because their only coping mechanism is to call everything a plot

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>>54524858
>What song of hers is this?
Dude, who knows? All her songs are the same whining.

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>>54525286
oh wait, you're a double the retard since you're claiming her bubble comment was about not getting to collab with VShojo when she literally collabed with Mouse like two weeks later
holy shit, the closer I analyze the timeline the stupider your posts get
I'm out

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Don't let this distract you anons from the fact that all while this hasbeen one hit wonder "rapper" is still relatively obscure to real rappers, Eminem just signed Ezmil

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>>54509755
>Grow your audience in that timeslot long-term
that's not going to happen, unlike Fauna, most people know Mori and left he

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>>54525110
Wouldn't that mean she is calling herself a cuck.

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>>54525286
This is mori, a fat white american woman, we're talking about

Everything that comes out of her mouth is cope and personal

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>>54525344
Can you blame them when it was proven that all Kiara antis were from discord group?

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>>54525479
Some flip > Mori

Topkek

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>>54525618
right now the only cope I'm seeing is from you since facts align with what she said

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>Mori antis are pnoy frieds.
Way to out yourselves.

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>>54525531
The only thing Fauna got were a bunch of Takos and Chumbuds temporarily. She just has to hope to god Gura and Ina never go back to streaming full time again since her content is the same as it was when she was getting 4k, she just had almost 0 overlap in prime time for an entire year

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>>54525670
That excuses them from being retarded, how?

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>>54509514
I will never watch her or any collabs she takes part in

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>>54525728
this anon knows, so its either a 2views pnoy bait reactor or a fucking flip

topkek

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>>54525286
She very clearly said that Hololive was the bubble. If you ever wonder why people still hate deadbeats it's because you're lying pieces of shit.

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>>54509755
She's dodging the new girls' timeslots I think
>>54509514
I've forgiven her long ago but bridges have been burnt and she's already lost my support. Mild shitposting against Mori will never stop being funny though.

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>>54523839
>pretty much ignored that JP even existed with the sole exception of a Korone collab that Korone reached out for.
Damn I completely forgot that "Mori ignores JP exists" narrative
It's all coming back now
I remember people making greentext stories about what she would say if she ever stopped ghosting Suisei, coimically mispronouncing her name because she knew that little about her.

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>>54525896
>literal deadbeats
they lie to themselves daily anon

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>She said something nearly three years ago! That's proof HATES hololive!
>Deadbeats can admit where she went wrong but note how she's improved (These posts go ignored)
>"Fucking Deadbeats this is why everyone hates them!"
Totally worth engaging in dialogue with this type of retard.

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>>54526066
>acts like he has something better to do than be a faggot online
Deadbeats don't even need 4chan suffixes because the name already fits them

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>>54526066
Except what actually happens is that deadbeats either pretend she never did anything wrong or they just bring up one of her recent UMG projects and call all the other Hololive girls losers.

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>>54525401
The Taylor Swift of JPop/Rap/whatever you call her music

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>>54526066
nobody's stopping you from leaving nigga

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>>54525670
Because the Kiara hate (apart from the accent wich is arguably subjective) has always been unwarranted

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>>54526066
>Support a whore who was friends with e-celebs trying to ruin hololive during 2021
>Expect people to forgive you now that she supports the Hololive ecosystem when she badly needs it because her CCV is shit
RORU
RUMAO even
I will never forgive you fucks.

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>>54526066
That's because deadbeats "defend" her improperly.

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>>54525670
I hate Kiara and I've never used discord in my life. It seems like a nice coping mechanism to pretend everyone dislikes your oshi is in on a conspiracy but it's just a cope and doesn't reflect reality

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>>54526229
can't imagine how much of a retard one has to be to oshi someone that blatantly calls them losers

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>>54526249
>call all the other Hololive girls losers.
>Source: my gaping anus

>>54526314
Correct. Certainly not your bitchass.

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>>54526438
>bitchass
what is this, twitter?

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>>54523310
Mori herself has realized that she's the hate-sink, the heel of hololive.

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>>54526729
We know where this deadbeat resides a good amount of hours in a day

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>>54510343
>being Peediepie doesn't matter
You do realize that people can UNSUB right? It's not a contract for life. Perm numbers are always better than flash in the pan numbers, especially if you're avoid VOD data like Numbers enjoy doing. JP has a larger V-tuber fanbase than other regions too; it's like being surprised more people buy manga in Japan than other countries.

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>>54526379
>She's actually, LITERALLY, RUINING Hololive I will NEVER forgive her
I didn't realize she was that powerful (despite nobody watching her?) Are you sure you want to mess with such a powerful being?
You better beg forgiveness before she uses her abilities to make your oshi collab with a male.

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>>54525256
She didn't exactly stop a concert but she did that thing on twitter with that Rental Girlfriend edit and that iconic "Can I please have some fun" post on reddit.

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>>54526733
Nobody on Earth will ever be able to experience the amount of pain Mori feels in a single day in their entire lifetime.

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>>54525670
>it was proven that all Kiara antis were from discord group?
Proof?

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>>54525401
I diagree.

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>>54527163
I hope you're being sarcastic.

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>>54526840
She single-handedly got the Tempus collab ban ended early because she can't read a calendar. Cover gives her whatever she wants because she's a mascot for JP normies.

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>>54527219
Are you incapable of recognizing sarcasm without Twitter tone tags? Of course I’m joking.

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>>54527264
It's hard to detect sarcasm on the internet anon, unless the posters make it obvious on purpose. There are actual retards here who would post what you posted unironically.

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>>54526733
There's an extent she is willing, and even enjoys, playing a heel role. But due to her own actions and also people blindly going after her, there were times where the pressure made her show cracks. Where she actually did feel hurt. This song is reflecting on a lot of that.

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>>54527430
I don't think she enjoys it.

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>>54527239
>She single-handedly got the Tempus collab ban ended early because she can't read a calendar
Did this actually happen? Did she set up a collab with the homos way too early by mistake?

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>>54527364
the 2012 facebook mom wolf pic is pretty clearly ironic to me

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>>54527682
Again, there are retards here who would use that image incorrectly.

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The song's kind of fucked up. She says joining Hololive was a deal with the devil and she needs to break more rules to get back on track.

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>>54527649
coming from mori herself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NUCjeGWZBQ

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I didn't watch Mori for months before 4th fes and saw her song didn't do so well like Kiara's. I felt bad and was all in to just watching her as I completely forgot why I didn't. Tuned into both their streams afterwards saw how humbleish Kiara took the loss and then Calli decided to blame everything but herself.
"Not my fans they have different oshis so I play it really safe"
"they didn't tell me about the live band" "
what matters most to me is that it's perfect for my shows"
like idk maybe try and pull people who left you in at these large events that everybody watches. And honestly if the lyrics are her true expression (which for her they usually are) then yea I may watch her.

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>>54527649
She messed up the scheduling and they lifted the ban early (by popular demand) so she could do the collab before going on tour.

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>>54527788
Is this the origin for POPULAR DEMAND?

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>>54509514
So what was the point of this thread? Mori has never asked for forgiveness and she will never apologize for whatever slights this board perceives. There's no point in forgiving her or refusing to forgive her because she didn't ask for it in the first place

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>>54528469
Deadbeats want us to forgive her even though she's shown no remorse

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>>54527788
That was management saying it was because of popular demand. why are you pinning it on Mori? Literally watch your own clip.

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>>54525286
Assuming you mean Cloudy Sheep, stop framing this as some gargantuan feat on her part. That's Watame's song. Mori was quite literally an afterthought (presumably Watame thought it'd be a nice signal boost). Hell, Watame no Uta Vol 1 has a version without Mori at all as well.

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>>54528741
>Deadbeats want
Irrelevant. Mori herself did not ask for it, so all the people here posting about how they'll never forgive her are just pointlessly seething

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>>54528757
"coming from mori herself" implies me showing you what mori said, cuckbeat. If anything, (You) are subconsciously pinning this on mori since not a single word in my comment is saying that it's mori's fault.

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>>54529155
It's not pointless. There are deadbeats who feel bad that she continues to be hated. If one deadbeat's day gets ruined it's all worth it.

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>>54529347
So it all comes to her fanbase more than Mori herself.

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>>54529440
It's both. People who hate Mori usually hate her fans too, and it's easier to directly annoy the fans.

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>>54529347
That is the saddest shit I've read today. Having a vtuber live rent free in your head is one thing, but a whole fanbase? Jesas...

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>>54518713
Gura is most probably a maga republican. Rest of them are non political aside from Kronii who are/were a seething commie.

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As all these threads conclude: idiots admit they have no actual feelings and just want to stick it to the Deadbeats.
What a sad existence...

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>>54529184
How the fuck is she the reason why the collab ban ended early?

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>>54526733
she is beyond brapping, beyond horses. she.. is pain

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>>54530672
My feeling is that I want you and Mori to hang yourselves

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>>54509514
The most spiteful cunt in holoEN and likely the cause for kronii becoming a bitch like her too? Yeah no.

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>>54530874
Please offer a demonstration that I can follow.

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>>54530818
I hate this horse meme shit. This immature meme makes actual criticism against Mori less credible and drowns it out. It's not even funny, only underage faggots would get a laugh out of it.