/asp/ Aspiring Vtuber and Startup

[Anonymous No.]

What is /asp/?
A thread where we discuss our vtuber aspirations! Whether it's agency-based or independent, let's help each other grow and make it as entertainers. Indies are welcome to join, but shill responsibly. Share what knowledge, insights, what works/doesn't work for you. Remember to do your research before providing personally identifying information to companies online!

FAQ:
Do I need an expensive, fully rigged Live2D model to be a vtuber?
No! You can always start out as a pngtuber!

Where can I learn how to Live2D rig avatars?
Check out Brian Tsui's (of Iron Vertex) YouTube channel!

Where can I find artists/riggers?
Skeb.jp, ArtStation, DeviantArt, Twitter, Reddit, etc.

Where can I learn how to digital market myself?
https://learndigital.withgoogle.com/digitalgarage

Where can I find some good games to stream?
https://twitchtracker.com/games
https://sullygnome.com/

Twitch or Youtube?
Multistream to both.

RESOURCES:
General: https://pastebin.com/AJLkFrGK
OpSec Guide: https://pastebin.com/2mkc8x9P

Stay grounded, stay hopeful. Don't kill yourself yet

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[Anonymous No.]

>>5436910
I want to be a Vtuber Idol. I don't care about being an indie. I want to be more than just this. But I'm a guy and I'm german with a German accent. Even tho I have tons of experience with YouTube and streaming and it was my job at some point, no agency would want me.
>Don't kill yourself yet
It's hard at this point. I don't rely on another career (I'm doing fine) but it's like a dream for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5436910
Is there a guide or pastebin for cameras? Not necessarily just for tracking but for craft streams or something like that. Might be good to include in future OPs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5438297
for tracking there isn't really a specific camera that you need with the real big difference being if you have an iphone or not
as far as for stuff like craft streams, what is there to say beyond "make sure its angled to not accidently show your face and dox yourself"?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm trying to find a lost of artist to go through for my design, if you got your design commissioned can you link your artist?

[Anonymous No.]

Did you get your niji app in? If you auctioned for a design which one? How confident are you feeling?

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>>5441997
I'm thinking on auditioning for the ghost, going to be making a simpleband cute live2d model so maybe that will catch some attention...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5442146
Simple and*

[Anonymous No.]

>>5441997
I'm thinking of auditioning for the witch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5442146
You don't need a character for the audition, unless you're doing it as a plan B you don't need one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5442292
I know, I just want to make something extra so maybe it will get extra attention, I'm thinking on going with something like this

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>>5442538
Even if you don't get in I would pursue that model, it's cute and charming especially if you get some expressive rigging done for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5442687
Currently I'm testing this kind of style so I'll be rigging this for the audition, I already have a "similar" model with a different theme and I'll be honest with you, those can be really expressive even being so simple.

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>>5442843
Yeah that's what I'm saying. Don't get discouraged if you don't make it and lean into the cute and simple ones. With vtube studio you can really make it so the little round character can bounce around a good bit and that seems like a fun screen presence

[Anonymous No.]

sorry for pleb question, how do I use my rig so I can use it in livestream?
do I need a specific software for that? what is it? kinda broke now so paid software is a no-no for now...

[Anonymous No.]

>>5442950
Do you have a webcam or an iphone? Is your model 3d or 2d?

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>>5442538
>get extra attention
they're not going to pay much attention to that, I imagine the person who watches the video is going to be looking at a pic of the character and trying to imagine your voice coming out of it to see how much they like it
they're not going to look at your character

[Anonymous No.]

>>5443028
I only have my laptop cam..or should I get a separate unit?
the model is 2D.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5436910
>Brian Tsui's
will he finish his 2020 tutorial? kinda stuck now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5443085
You can use your webcam but it will definitely need a bit of testing. You can try vtube studio on your smart phone and use it as a camera, or you can try prpr live off of steam which is free. Both will probably need to be paid for to effectively use but it's not expensive at all and you can try it for free.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5443050
Maybe I expressed myself wrong, I didn't mean to get attention with the character, but instead being able to show some kind of ability and get attention for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>5443085
I currently use my webcam and it's fine for what I need, in my case I use iolive for tracking since it's really light, you can find it on github

[Anonymous No.]

>>5443209
>vtube studio
not compatible with my android phone.
>prpr live
I'll look into this. if the career are successful, I'll buy the paid version. Thank you for your help~
>>5443308
is there anyone on youtube using the iolive?

[Anonymous No.]

I can't wait till Niji female apps close and all the /asp/ girls flood the male application doing boy voices
first time any org has taken western male applicants seriously and you just know they're going to try to take it away

[Anonymous No.]

>>5443420
if you're a (male) and get beaten out by a (female) you never deserved that spot to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5443450
>should I go apply to the 100 other startups who are taking only female applicants?
>nope, better go to the single application that is taking male applications seriously to lie about my gender and try to get in

[Anonymous No.]

>>5443560
>assuming the decision is mutually exclusive
you realize that women can apply to 100 other start ups AND Nijisanji, right? how fucking thick are you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5443408
I don't think there are
https://github.com/wahyuandhika/Iolive you can download it here
The program is pretty much self explanatory, there will be 2 tabs open, one is the model display the other is a menu, click open model and locate your model's .json file, then you go to "Face Capture" on the menu and click on "Enable Face Capture" to show what the program is capturing you can click on "Show Frame" and another tab will open, in the settings you can change the FPS of the model and see the program log. I don't know how to set up expressions but you can chage the parameters manually at "Model" as far as I know it's possible to do it but I have no idea how to.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any psychedelic vtuber? With extra colorful effects and weird content?

inb4 that webm of suisei guy lsd

[Anonymous No.]

>>5443703
>With extra colorful effects and weird content?
sounds like a good way to be unwatchable. are you looking for a chuuba or a cartoon character?

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>>5441997
I'm planning to audition for the bird just for fun. I don't really have much confidence that I'll get it at all. Anyone got tips on what to talk about for the second part?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5443703
Pickychannel on Twitch is probably what you’re looking for. There’s a few other similar chuubas but I’ll have to look thru my follows first I don’t remember them by name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5443953
other threads have mentioned that it's basically your usual social media and follower stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>5443953
>I don't really have much confidence that I'll get it at all.
Cringe

[Anonymous No.]

>>5443728
Looking for brain tingling ideas and inspiration, almost unwatchable is good.
>>5443985
>Pickychannel
Thanks, I'll check it and maybe learn something from it.

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>>5444695
desu I feel the same way about the male applications, I'm going to apply because it's fun and I can treat it like practice for streaming or TTRPG games, but I'm not dumb, I have basically no social media presence because idk how to use it and I only recently cracked 3 digit follows on my stream.
it's fun to apply, but feels delusional to think they're going to pick anyone other than some vtweeter who has 5k twitter followers

[Anonymous No.]

i don't think it'd be a smart play for any woman to apply for the male auditions, or for Nijisanji to select a woman for male positions. if they get picked, they're going to get shit on by the entire collective weeb incel population is gonna be salty that a woman got a position that was originally designed for a man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5445110
I think the same, if they actually did there would be a huge wave of hate at both the girl who got picked and NijiEN, and it would probably cause distrust in future auditions from startups like Cyberlive

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>>5444840
>but feels delusional to think they're going to pick anyone other than some vtweeter who has 5k twitter followers

It's not really your follow count and I bet they would even pick someone who has 5 followers. It's not about the numbers, it's about the experience and skills you have. If you don't know how to run or grow a social media channel, there's literally no reason to pick you. Agencies give you the exposure that will be an auto-growth but if you suck at growing any further, you only cost the agency money. That's what they look out for. I work in marketing and it's literally the most important thing if you want to make it. You can be entertaining as fuck but if you don't know how to gain a following, you'll end up just wasting your time and energy. Your best starting point IMO would be to read some books on how marketing works, how to market yourself, and how to apply it to social media.

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>>5445432
>Your best starting point IMO would be to read some books on how marketing works, how to market yourself, and how to apply it to social media.
speaking of which, reminder that google offers free courses on this exact topic
https://learndigital.withgoogle.com/digitalgarage

[Anonymous No.]

>bought an iphone x a couple of days ago
>Amazon Prime Day happens
>more % discounts
>check iphone x prices
>prices went up
>even with % discounts, you're still paying more
kek good thing i bought mine when i did

[Anonymous No.]

>>5446988
Prime day is such a scam

[Anonymous No.]

>>5447006
it really is

[Anonymous No.]

>>5445432
>I bet they would pick someone with 5 followers >it's not about having a big social media following
>but it's all about having a big social media following and knowing the marketing tricks because they want proof you can build one
wow thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>5447415
Dear God, do I really have to explain every single shit on this board?
You don't need numbers to show what you can. Someone will obviously look at what you have. I could tell you at first glance if your channel is trash or if you have potential based on the content you already posted. It doesn't matter if it has zero likes, an expert will see through that.

[Anonymous No.]

>why do i have to put in an application for a chance to get rigged by Iron Vertex?
meanwhile, Iron Vertex rigging Hololive models

[Anonymous No.]

>>5448261
>I'm an expert on marketing and vtubing
>but I hang around in /asp/ to argue with and shit on newbies
sure anon, I definitely believe you're a professional and expert who hangs out here to do this, and not just having a chuuni moment because you took a 100 level social media marketing class in college

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>>5448570
I never said I'm an expert on vtubing, fag. Marketing doesn't take much time and since I'm self-employed, I have plenty of time to shitpost on 4chan all day. I don't need a random anonfag to believe me, you're not the one who sends me a pay check every month so silence, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>he's doubling down

[Anonymous No.]

He's right, look at Iron Mouse. She went from nothing to a Titan overnight because of some raids despite having numbers that were a small fraction of the people that raided her. Her content mattered more than the numbers

[Gael !StRaTUSD32 No.]

>>5443703
Yes https://twitter.com/AtlasMoonshine

[Anonymous No.]

>>5454850
>clearly ftm, calls himself femboy
hard pass

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>>5441997
Male applications close in august, so I'll wait till I then to show what I've got

[Anonymous No.]

>>5454850
>the tarot card poster is a fakeboi "femboy nun"
I see just like in cosplay, the "male" vtuber space is infested with this

[Anonymous No.]

>>5441997
Put one in for the witch, it's probably my best audition yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5443420
who the fuck would do that anon, it's very noticable when girls are doing guy voices

[Anonymous No.]

Do I have to have a cringy character theme? Can't I just be a normal guy? Actual streamers don't do this

[Anonymous No.]

>>5457360
If you don't want to, then why not just be an "actual streamer?"

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>>5441997
What do you guys plan to talk about in the "how would you act out your character during a stream" segment?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5457360
Anon if you don’t come up with a cringy character theme *right now* I’m gonna break your arms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5457756
the female app must be different
the male app is just
>come up with a new character, in 5 minutes introduce the character and do a short stream interacting as this character

[Anonymous No.]

>>5457531
because 2D is better
why does it have to be cringe roleplay

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>>5457978
I mean it doesn't necessarily. Not like you have to reference the theme every 5 seconds. Don't most vtubers only reference it when it's relevant to what they're talking about? If you're just a normal person but 2d, it'll just be difficult to catch people's eyes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5458068
I think more people would rather look at a streamer dressed normally over a streamer dressed like a cringe sonic character

[Anonymous No.]

>>5458181
>Doesn't get the importance of being unique in a saturated market
And you can still be appealing and nice to look at while doing so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5457360
>Can't I just be a normal guy
You are far from only person to think this, there's a reason why "guy in a hoodie" is a joke around these parts

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>>5457360
normal looking guys is fine if they have a somewhat unique hairstyle or clothing
just don't put them in a hoodie
Niji Male designs are all pretty basic, and with how overdesigned some designs are it might be better to go a bit more basic

[Anonymous No.]

>>5457360
do what makes you happy, fuck everyone else.
the guy in hoodie meme only exists because it's the default vroid, you can live2d it and be fine.

[Anonymous No.]

i don't want to be part of the incestuous western indie network that deters genuine audience members

[Anonymous No.]

>>5459043
ok. then don't?

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>>5459052
if i see krimbo or kongou in my chat im going to instantly ban them

[Anonymous No.]

>>5459081
ok. it's your chat, you do you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5459043
ok then just don't post on wvt and don't post yourself in here and you should be good

[Anonymous No.]

fuck, you guys weren't kidding about youtube's reprocessing. i just trimmed the first 2 minutes of dead air out of my vod and it's been like 4 hours of reprocessing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5459271
Doesn't matter how much you cut out but how much is left afterwards.

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>>5459433
it was originally an hour long video. initial processing was like 20 minutes. i wish there was a set to set up OBS to automatically record after a short delay.

hit Start Streaming + Start Recording on OBS and wait a minute - minute and a half to make sure that everything's working on twitch. the last time i tried to do it manually, i forgot to hit the "state recording" button entirely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5459081
Let me guess, big fan of grooming and molesting children, are we?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5459588
big fan of keeping kayfabe and stale in-jokes out actually

[Anonymous No.]

>>5459682
>keeping kayfabe
love to see it when vtubers shoot themselves in the foot

[Anonymous No.]

>>5459710
keeping kayfabe OUT, its one sentence homo

[Anonymous No.]

>>5459682
Out of what? You’re a control freak aren’t you?

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>>5460166
outta my fuckin chat
just speak like a human audience member like everyone else please

[Anonymous No.]

>>5459081

I doubt he has 50+ chuubas and only chuubas in his chat

[Anonymous No.]

>>5459588
>not a fan of being groomed as a vtuber
>kick groomers from wvt out of chat
>"anon you must be a child molester"

[Anonymous No.]

reminder to all the /wvt/ retards trolling the thread for drama fuel to get >>>/out/

[Anonymous No.]

>>5458614
whats wrong with a hoodie?
is this some tumblr tranny shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>5461805
If you go to the vtuber tag on twitch you'll see an overwhelming amount of male vroid models in a hoodie. It's a meme about lazy designs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5461863
shocking more people want to look like a normal person instead of roleplaying a cringey genshin impact ripoff

[Anonymous No.]

>>5461936
You can look like a normal person without a hoodie. The hoodie is a free asset in vroid.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I do voice reps?

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the hell happened here?

>>5462429
start here https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/improve-your-speaking-voice/

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>>5443408
vtube studio has webcam support, i think its overall a lot smoother than prprlive

[Anonymous No.]

>>5462523
>incelcore "how to get be manly" shit
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>5462661
you're free to provide other resources for voice reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>5462429
what do you need voice reps for?
just be louder and more confident when you speak

[Anonymous No.]

>>5462780
>be louder
I'm trying. Voicemod's falling apart and without the clean option, my microphone is really quiet.
May invest in a proper microphone setup if I can find a decent one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5462741
no, the one you linked says vocal fry is dangerous to your health then links to a mayo clinic article that says vocal fry is in no way dangerous to your health

[Anonymous No.]

>>5462911
>he one you linked says vocal fry is dangerous to your health
but it doesn't? it's asking the question of the myth that the vocal fry hurts your voice, and provides an article that shows it doesn't. at best, it's clickbaiting with a dumb question, but it's not even saying the thing you're saying it does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5462908
use proper breathing, practice doing deep proper breaths
if you've ever sang or used a wind instrument you should know proper breathing
push your stomach out instead of raising your shoulders when you breathe in, fill up your gut like you have a big beer belly, that's where the warm, higher quality air is

[Anonymous No.]

>>5463029
I have never been more self conscious about the way I fucking breathe, but I'll take your word for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>5463252
my music instructor used to call it "dark breathing" because breathing out you sound like darth vader
it's not important all the time but when you need high quality warm air like for singing or playing a brass instrument

[Anonymous No.]

>>5463029
Thanks anon, I tend to hold my gut in too much and that's fucked how I naturally breathe.

[Anonymous No.]

just wondering. How easy is it to learn rigging if I know how to draw? Does the two correlate at all in the first place?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5463382
rigging is related to animation and knowledge of form, but its rather easy to learn as long as you toy with their example models to see how things are separated and morphed

[Anonymous No.]

>>5441997
I'm just working on my script and then I'll record and send it. I want to make sure I don't downplay or skip what skills I have.

I know it's important to be able to talk off script, but I'm able to read one very naturally and for the sake of it being an application I want to keep on target.

Auditioning for ghost because people tend to have trouble picking my accent and I think it'll work well for a mysterious character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5463252
>>5463350
idk I looked it up again and it seems to just be a brass instrument thing, I'd say mess around with it a bit and see if it works, if it's no different just go back to breathing normally

[Anonymous No.]

To all you guys who were waiting, it's here. I've got my new model. I'm gonna play some Chivalry 2. Come join me! We can play together!~

https://www.youtube.com/illreviewanything
https://www.twitch.tv/illreviewanything

[Anonymous No.]

Streamed for the second time today and already had a vroid tuber in my chat trying to talk shit about other indies lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>5464466
there's a lot more of those than i initially expected

[Anonymous No.]

>>5464466
Why talk shit instead of promoting? It's the same, literal, amount of effort to bring someone up as it is to rip them apart.

I get that some indies might not be your cup of tea, but why hate so hard on someone just trying to get by.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5464466
I used to work with cosplayers for promo work and so many of them would bitch and moan about other cosplayers. It was distasteful.

We never worked with those people again.

[Anonymous No.]

Just did a 2 hour stream today, and didn't realize until after it was over that my mic wasn't working the entire time. The weird thing is that several people watched the stream the entire way through, and no one thought to comment on the lack of sound.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5465486
there's actually a surprisingly moderate to moderately-large audience of viewers who love to watch a no commentary gameplay stream, or RPG play throughs without some obnoxious dude freaking out or over-reacting.

[Anonymous No.]

I have LITERALLY never drawn in my life
do you think people would wanna watch shitty drawing reps or should i get at least a little Gud before I stream it

[Anonymous No.]

>>5465714
Might make for content if it's absolute beg tier, but you need to be charismatic about it for it to work. A few practice runs won't hurt at all though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5465770
Hmmm. I'll give it a shot doing practice. Thanks anonchan

[Anonymous No.]

>>5465714
If your drawings have charisma then it will work out

[Anonymous No.]

>>5465770
Also you can try to make your viewers interact with it, take requests from them

[Anonymous No.]

>>5465714
I've had luck with viewer requests, especially for draw Pokemon from memory. That usually turns out quite fun for everyone

[Anonymous No.]

>>5464732
I've had similar experiences as well
/vt/ in many ways is just /cgl/2
there's lots of comparisons between western cosplayers and western indies

[Anonymous No.]

>>5466243
coincidentally also full of women like /cgl/

[Anonymous No.]

Is it safe if I play elder scrolls music while in an art stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5466331
maybe /vt/ is a debuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>5465516
It was crafting accessories for flintlock rifles. This past stream was a wallet for holding flints and other small bits like tow worms and ball pullers for rifle maintenance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5466617
maybe they thought it was some artisanal channel with a hobby craftsperson, kek

[Anonymous No.]

So what other high quality riggers are there that are Iron Vertex level that English speakers can access? Stuff like Jujube and whatnot I guess are up in that level too, but a bunch I've seen only have JP in their bios.

[Anonymous No.]

question, what are your guys thoughts on just streaming and then getting a png/l2d? cant afford either really but want them in the future and i also want to stream now

[Anonymous No.]

>>5467267
that's fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>5467267
Can't really reasonably brand yourself as a vtuber/pngtuber but you can still just stream. Plenty of people out there who just no-cam stream all the time. I mostly watch speedrunners when not watching vtubers and a large chunk of them only show gameplay/splits/chat on screen.

[Anonymous No.]

>rigger has 1 example of their highest tier rigging
>it's vtuber model with no visible mouth
???

[Anonymous No.]

>>5443703
What's wrong with the Suisei LSD Guy? He's great and an accurate representation if what it looks like when you take LSD. The "conversation" he had with Suisei at the end felt especially real to me. I, too have spoken to anime characters while on LSD.

[Anonymous No.]

Why the fuck male NijiEn wave is announced so early... I'm about to be done with my university and have time to start with Vtubing but I won't learn shit and prove much to a corporation in a 1 month time. Next wave it is. Hope niji wont stop after 3rd wave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5469331
niji waves come much quicker than holo, if you start streaming now you'll be ready by the next one. Assuming they ever have another wave of males of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5469588
I'm quite sure they will wait for male EN to debut first and wait a while to see what happens before they even announce more auditions. This is going to be the first male EN wave/gen from major corporation after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5469714
It's chill though. You'll want like 6 months to get used to streaming anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5469331
>Why the fuck male NijiEn wave is announced so early...
they don't close until August 1st, so we're looking at a November/December debut at the earliest. i don't think that's really early.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5469762
I'm just going to directly jump into big time streaming like a champion, watch me

[Gael !StRaTUSD32 No.]

>>5469323
I don't know if would describe it quite like that, I don't know how much that guy took but at 800ug+ you would not be in a state to stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>5469331
>NijiEN
I thought they were calling themselves LazuLight these days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5473852
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1405706837660295173

[Anonymous No.]

> my rigger keeps distracting himself with anything just to not work on my model

I'll just rig my own model alone at this point...

Have anyone had annoying experiences with riggers?