What was their legacy?

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What are the takeaways from the Council experiment?

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>>54275863
Moot was right

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That you don't need to hire white westerners to have an EN branch.

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>>54275863
The whore on paper is better than the whore irl

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Feels like fauna is the only one that actually left a mark at all

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Mumei is the only JP tier talent in that lineup.

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>>54275863
>legacy
>of something that's still active
Learn to English.

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/vt/ was a mistake

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>>54275863
Failed branch. None of them should have been hired

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>>54275863
Moom cute

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>>54276045
council is over

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>>54275863
>What are the takeaways from the Council experiment?
brown skin bad

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>>54275863
They are true friends and click very well together.
They should have focused on streaming and having fun instead of ego

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People will watch anything if there's a big pair of tits attached to a model

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>>54275863
- Hire girls that actually like anime and vtubers
- Hire girls that actually want to stream
- Hire girls that realize its an unbelievable chance to become a millionaire by playing video games
- Never listen to Ina's recommendations
- Never collab with the homos

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don't listen to people that tell you to take it easy

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>>54275863
forming ORK is their legacy

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>>54275863
Hire more outgoing girls. Bae’s the only one that seems to be making the most of her resources. The others all seem to be coasting.

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>>54275863
Gen chemistry is possible if you hire talent that is all around the same age.

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>>54275863
>What are the takeaways from the Council experiment?
Include IRyS there. And their legqacy excluding that lazy bitch Sana is saving the branch from the incompetence of Myth. When they didn't feel like streaming, the kino of CounclRyS was there to save the day. You are welcome Mythfags.

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>>54275972
As the most boring of the bunch?

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>>54275972
>Stream regularly
>Don't Mumble
>umm don't have a sex scandal I guess?
Fauna became the best one just by being adequate

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>>54275863
Myth worked because the EN market wasn't yet established. Council failed because they honestly thought they could just hire randos again and be fine. EN3 is essentially the same.

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>>54275863
That Gura gave up on Myth

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>>54275863
need more bae that can act like a glue to have genuine friendship in a gen

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You can't be successful just copying and hanging on the coattails of their better senpai's. Remember that recent CouncilRyS collab where they went back to smol models? They did a few cool collabs here and there but they are restricted by what others made for them before and it doesn't seem like they tried to venture outside their own box.

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>>54276817
As the only one who actually streams.
As the only one who is somewhat nerdy and into anime.
As the only one who understand what an amazing opportunity she got in Hololive.

The others are hard to believe they'd pass for 2 views.

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>>54276831
Shut up nigger.
EN3 is most likely the exact opposite. They saw what went wrong with council and realized they fucked up.
They also realized they fucked up with tempus.

I bet EN3 is the most goated gen EN has ever seen.

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>>54275972
Yeah, marked as being overated

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>>54275863
They managed to cleave an entire fanbase in two for the rest of time.

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>>54275863
That Kronii and Fauna should have sex on stream

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>>54276931
Are you talking about Bae?

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>>54275863
They are actually friends, unlike Myth

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The biggest takeaway is that saplings and brats are two of the most annoying fanbases on /vt/ who each think their oshi is the only good one in the branch
see >>54276931 >>54277059 >>54276751
it's funny because they're two of the smallest runts of the entire company so i dunno why their fanbases are so fucking awful and have such a chip on their shoulder

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>>54275863
What is the Legacy for most streamer? Virtual friend for lonely people? Can this job even create legacy?

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>>54277148
anon all of them are good. all of them have their own strengths and weaknesses

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>>54277148
t. irystokek

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>>54275863
Stop the stupid fucking lore bullshit.

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>>54276763
and then mindbreak them with terrible management so they have nothing but each other to rely on

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>>54275863
Mumei, Fauna, Bae were the only ones streaming outside of Kiara during the stream drought of infinite hiatus and everything hort.
If it were not for them, holoEN would have massive gaps of no streams every week. The majority of Myth disappeared for months at a time, and threw the entire workload on their kouhai even while seeing the damage that happened to Council after Sana left.

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>>54275863
Mumei should've been the center instead of Bae

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>>54277192
A legacy implies someone picking up where you left off, carrying your torch. So far, not even Kizuna Ai has a real legacy yet.

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>>54277350
This
when gura and the rest of myth + kronii suddenly took months of breaks, ORK were the one able to sustain HoloEN.

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Do not hire people who like surface level 90s anime like Sailor Moon so much they make their model have a janky ass face because of it.

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>>54276751
>lowest audience turnout of her gen aside from graduated Sana

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>>54277914
>yet is more cherished than the clock or the graduated whore

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>>54275863
Don't hire an entire gen of passive people. The most Type-A Council member is fucking Bae. Hire people who have goals and ambitions to begin with, a vision for their future.

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>Sana
Good model gone to someone who was a nep hire and wasn't actually interested in the job or was unrealistic on the way in about the requirements. Only way to avoid this is to try and be as forward as possible about the requirements of the job before signing them.
>Mumei
No issues beyond stream time sometimes do to real life obligations. No yabs, no retardation, willing to work with others. She does fine.
>Kronii
Came in with a chip on her shoulder. Could have spotted the menhara from miles away, looking to cause trouble/drama which happened.
>Bae
Consistancy in streaming can be a little iffy depending on real life circumstances, kuch in the same boat as Mumei. Some might be made about her male thing, but she was pretty upfront about it and talked about guys in a romantic way pretty early on. Otherwise dedicated to the job and her fans that she cultivated. No issue.
>Fauna
Had a niche that needed filling in the EN sphere, because while Ina was the soft voice one, she wasn't willing to be a Choco or Mel. While Fauna doesn't get that overtly sexual, she plays the part well and has gotten a good image. Streams consistantly, enjoys doing so, and likes her fans. The best hire of the group.
Takeaway is that you should always hire Christmas Cakes or older. They've settled down to a degree, know what they want in life, and are willing to work hard for the oppertunity to either get a fanbase to entertain or make money. Hiring younger than cake has too many possible shifts in personal lifestyle that can eat away at what makes an obsessed fanbase keep coming back.

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>>54278145
Thats a pretty low bar

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>>54275863
Ugly mismatched designs

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To add to their staleness, with their recent 2nd anniversary coming up soon next month, Bae, Kronii, Mumei and Fauna are still using their default banners. Everyone in myth, even Gura, has changed their banner. The only other one in EN who changed their banner is IRyS, though that was a more extreme situation with the redesign. Makes you wonder if they'd do anything new if they were the first ones to come out first and setting the ground rules for them.

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>>54275863
They should just keep rehiring sana, keep making a dark skined vtuber. Don't say it's Sana, but it is then she “graduates” only to join the next gen. eventually give her a solo debut like HOPE and just instead of giving her outfits she gets her various gen models.

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>>54277148
Meanwhile the hooman's are a non entity, and the Kronies are just waging their endless civil war.

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>>54278320
>she wasn't willing to be a Choco or Mel
you damn know well why
>she plays the part well
im not you're fried, we can't be friends we shouldn't be friends
>best hire
lol
lmao
bitch can't sing nor dance, best hire? delusional cuckling. their best hire is the rat. best pray none of the new girls streams on her timeslot and finally contests her. bitch had it free for more than a year and still hadn't caught up to kronii, another idiot that destroyed her career.

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>>54278685
>she wasn't willing to be a Choco or Mel
anon...he was talking about Ina, read his post again

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>>54278320
>>Kronii
>Came in with a chip on her shoulder. Could have spotted the menhara from miles away, looking to cause trouble/drama which happened.

imo Kronster saw this mostly as an opportunity to advance her voice acting career, which didn't seem to have panned out

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>>54278839
Cuckbeat spotted

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>>54275863
What do you mean? Besides Sana their legacy still continues.

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>>54275863
>What are the takeaways from the Council experiment?
Connor was right.

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>>54278906
Not really. I would plap mori though, admittedly.

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>>54278320
>Takeaway is that you should always hire Christmas Cakes or older.
It's time!

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Sex with bae

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>>54278976
In what way? I don't watch that faggot

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>>54278976
what did he say?

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>>54278685
>hadn't caught up to kronii, another idiot that destroyed her career.
why do people think this kronii is like the #1 of council since sana left. she beat fauna is the mumei wars, bae needs cali and irys to come close to her solo power and mumei, well mumei is mumei.

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>>54278320
>Sana
>Good model gone to someone who was a nep hire and wasn't actually interested in the job or was unrealistic on the way in about the requirements. Only way to avoid this is to try and be as forward as possible about the requirements of the job before signing them.
I feel so bad for all the indies and other girls who auditioned back then, got rejected and then found out that Sana, out of all the candidates, was the one who got in. When she isn't even remotely interested in idol culture or vtubing.
That would be hilarious if one of the new girls auditioned for Council and had her debut postponed for years because of her.

I'm sure Cover will never hire artists anymore.

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>>54278976
literal who??

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>>54278976
That fuckboy was projecting.

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>>54278320
i love how people can just come in and make up some stupid shit and there'll be someone who believe in them

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>>54275863
I was deployed in Afghanistan during their announcement and debut, so I missed out on the initial hype of the first 2 months. the first year overall felt pretty mid for them, and Sana's graduation didn't help either.

They all definitely improved immensely after the year one anniversary and ended up a pretty decent gen imo

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>>54275863
if you design vtubers that look like bae people will want to impregnant them and it's all you'll ever hear.

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>>54279263
#1 in what, exactly?

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>>54275863
>What are the takeaways from the Council experiment?
This gen contributed a member to the unbeatable idol unit HOLOTORI

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>>54275863
i beat my meat to them especially bae

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>>54279062
>>54279204
that anyone could fake their way into hololive and be a success. which is exactly what happened to the rest of council. only saving grace is that the rat actually does something on her time in hololive.

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>>54279789
Being Vesper’s fuck hole

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>>54279901
Well Sana got in through the power of nepotism which is a universal constant. Unfortunately for cover, ina has worse judgement than fubuki.
The rat is a grinder probably inspired by cali and Irys who take the music side very seriously.
What's his problem with Owl, Tree and Clock?

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Never debut all on the same day again so the evil AI overlords of Youtube dont attack your channel. Council paid the price that future generations wont have too

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>>54275863
>unfortunately idol culture is a thing
>don't you have female friends?
>i'm not your friend

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>>54280046
I think he said it before council was announced iirc

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>>54275863
They have amazing chemistry only took one of them graduating to make it.

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>>54278320
>Takeaway is that you should always hire Christmas Cakes or older
This.
Zoomers only appeal to tourists and need active management.

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>>54276594
>millionaire
dyrbi

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>>54280193
Oh, so he's just saying in a general sense that people who join agencies are more likely to gain a fanbase?
I feel like I'm missing something that seems like a midwit take.

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>>54280374
Ask Gura.
Ask Ayame.
Ask Pekora.
Ask Koyori.
Ask Marine.
Ask Calli.
Ask Rushia/Mikeneko.
Ask Korone.
Ask any of the bigger earners from Hololive.

Some of these girls take in $10,000 a stream.

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>>54280080
Also do already upload some short throwaway content on your channels before debuting, because otherwise the stupid yt algo only sees "hmmm this channel with no content on it is suddenly getting a lot of subs out of nowhere? Must be something sussy going on, better delete all these heckin botterinos!!"
Which to be fair is probably reasonable in a lot of other cases, but for the rare legitimate exceptions like Hololive debuts the system misfires.

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>>54275863
every generation needs a loli.

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>>54280582
Yeah he said that on the 1st mori interview I think

The original poster is implying that council were shitty 2 views that only got numbers because blue dorito

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>>54280788
>Ask any of the bigger earners from Hololive
and even the lowest earners from Hololive are still raking a small fortune

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>>54279789
Literally check the channels anon. Until Fauna beats Kronii in the only number that matters Fauna will always be hip to hip with Bae. Mumei might pull it off though.

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>>54275972
Fauna
>i hate (You) in particular!
Sana
>tee hee noctyx flop byeeee I'm not alorrn byeee!
Bae
>PENIS COCK BUTTHOLE ANAL SEX CUM CUM SEX SEX LE SEXY SEX (chadcast is kino though)
Kronii
>calliope mori but no music
Mumei
>a year later and I still don't know what she does
For me Kronii is the best one for the sheer autistic interactions she has with others but there's not much substance to the gen as a whole

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>>54275863
>What was their legacy?
Mumei finding her groove as a streamer and being cute, Kronii crashing and burning, Sana dying, Fauna emotionally abusing saplings, Bae being a cock-crazed zoomer retard, and most of all, Omega being a mistake.

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>>54280374
nta, but it's not that far-fetched. A lot of the Hololive girls have an annual income that, even after accounting for corpo cuts and taxes, is in the low to middle six figures net take-home range.
IF they aren't retarded and keep their frivolous spending under control, AND they invest their earnings wisely, they could certainly reach a mill or more in wealth after a few years of grinding.

Now of course, I already gave the big qualifiers about why many of them probably still won't make it. Given that they're women, it's less likely that they keep their spending in check and invest wisely, but that's a different issue, a "stupid lifestyle choices" problem if you will, not a "they don't earn enough" source problem.

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>>54281258
>it's less likely that they keep their spending in check and invest wisely
Kiara...

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>>54281251
>Bae being a cock-crazed zoomer retard
it fits, both bae and her fans are obsessed with sex.

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>>54281388
>he doesn't watch streams
Kiara just invested in stocks and she's been hashing out financial plans for her retirement since at least 2021. So far she's the only EN confirmed to think about the future.

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>>54280941
nta, but I don't think it's controversial to say that the "brand buff" does exist and can lift someone who'd otherwise languish as an undiscovered ngmi 2view into 4view or even 5view status immediately (especially for the immediate post-debut buff honeymoon period).
Discussions about this only get messy because shitposters and tribalfags want to turn it into a "moral argument", i.e. how the new talents don't "deserve" it or how "anyone" else in their place would do just as well given the same opportunities, etc. And of course that rubs fans of the girls the wrong way, so they throw out the baby with the bathwater and deny the brand buff is even a real thing, and all the girls totally got their audience on their own through hard work and simply being the best vtubers, etc.

Case in point, the pre-debut period is actually a pretty good demonstration of the brand buff in effect. Getting into Hololive means getting access to their massive inbuilt fanbase (that, yes of course, the previous members have built up through their own hard work and great talents). That massive fanbase will catapult the new members to a six figure subcount immediately, without them having even done anything yet (so the "they have so many subs because they are simply the most talented and hardworking vtubers"-argument doesn't even apply), so people are subbing mostly just because these new girls have the magic blue dorito next to their name.

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>>54281842
I mean, cover is a talent agency who invests a lot of resources into anyone they hire, but also they hire them in the first place becasue they think they can cultivate talent.
Unironically, I do think cover can turn any low-tier streamer into an above average one by just working on fundamentals and easing the financial burden.
They're probably also more inclined to go for people they can build up, as existing fanbases aren't transferred over necessarily, even if it works out like that due to super sleuthing.
I can get how people would be upset if someone called your oshi and 2bit hack. But I think the reality is very few people would make it as indies for reasons even outside a lack of talent.

People take this shit the wrong way anyhow, instead of seething about how Sana stole your indies spot, you should just watch debut streams and performances and see how people are a year later. That's where you'll really see if people are fully taking advantage over the brand buff, becasue cover will train you to be an entertainer if you let them.

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>>54281731
At least who talks about it somewhat openly. She also is working on getting a house/condo that she'll OWN instead of renting. She was bitching about the cost of rent and how she wishs she would've done so sooner.

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>>54282276
i would like to believe that, but then if you look at the likes of tempus, it's also hard to believe that the same people who hired the girls hired the boys. they are low-tier through and through, and no amount of money thrown at them to give them a foundation will ever be enough, because they don't have the same spark that most of the girls have.
this also doesn't account for how sana was hired not on the basis of talent, but because ina knew her.
while there are some interesting qualities about the remainder of council, the past two years have shown that only fauna, bae, and mumei might have what it takes to endure, though each of them have issues that undercut them at the same time. and it's just a matter of time before kronii explodes from not having the mental fortitude to begin with. there's definitely a legacy in the making, but it's not looking entirely great. just glimmers here and there.

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>>54282276
I guess that's the biggest point. I can only say how I feel personally about the situation of Blue Dorito Buff, but I'm sure others who had a talent they supported previously as a 2 view would be extremely happy to see them succeed (as I'm doing right now hoping the twins are the GGN girls). The only way you wouldn't be happy for them is if you have an extremely unhealthy relationship with them to the point where you'd rather see them languish in obscurity so they can be 'yours' over wanting them to do better for themselves.
Beyond that, people expect certain things from the Blue Dorito and while the talents have some freedom, there's still many expected rules, so when you walk into the stream of someone with that symbol, you kinda know what you're going to get with varying levels of personal flare. On top of that, like you mentioned, some people just want the 3d streams, idol stuff, and enjoy watching all of the 'perks' that come with being in the company, even if it means more restrictions in othet areas.

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>>54275863
Fauna is a basic bitch GFE streamer, there is no reason to watch her over a smaller GFE streamer who can actually give you attention.
Sanaa didn't belong and neither did her model, not because it's brown but because it's trash, people calling her a nigger can't tell the difference between africans and other non-white people. Make her model white and change her hair colour and she will still look like shit.
Hakoz is cute, hate her alternate outfits though.
Kromi was better before she joined hololive.
Mumei good.

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>>54281731
Ina also talked about it and Being asian her retirement plans are on the way since she ever started earning her first cent.

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>>54283548
She bought (finnanced) a house for collecting rent a year ago, she talked about renting it to her brother back in the day but was recommended to not do it because doing rent business with family always ends bad.

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>>54284018
just got a new place during a time when it was foolish to buy. yes, retirement plans.
>>54281258
the retarded ones from council i think are fauna and bae. dumb projects and music and ku100s cost money. so does feeding a stupid cat with stupid specific and expensive dietary needs. but overall, they are definitely saving money on the housing front. bae leeches off the parents, so that's a buff in her favor.

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>>54284128
No, she was thinking of doing that while talking to the first financial advisor a year or two ago. She said somewhat recently that with the new one she had that she was looking into it and that it was more work than it was worth. People in chat just asked why she wouldn't just hire someone to manage the property for her and she (rightfully, 3/4ths of her chat is finantially retarded) said that she would barely make any money on it if any at all. She also talked about building new property and possibly buying a place that was currently being built (which is why I assumed condo) during one of the air conditioner tangents because she was talking about what type of air conditioning it would be built with.

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>>54275863
Better than Myth

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>>54276662
Yeah. Or like, if someone tells you to take it easy (with the implicit notion being that they themselves did it and it turned out fine), try to think about whether they're drawing on stores of goodwill that you don't have.

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>>54284558
this will never happen for her because she's too big a spender.

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>>54284580
“Just take it easy.”
“Don’t stream too hard!”
“Maybe you should go to sleep!”

Shut the fuck up and let them stream so we can have a Kaela or a Koyori or a Korone.
We have enough lazy whores who stream once a week and show up half asleep.
Fuck you and your take it easy bullshit!

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>>54284630
She's deffinetly increased her spending habits over the last year-ish, that I can agree on. I still don't think she's dumb enough to not be saving some money and the talk of buying a home/condo is proof that she's at least trying to spend some of it reasonably.

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>>54284900
She goes on vacations like 12 times a year.
But she was already rich from her inherited Adolf money.

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>>54275863
>Fauna ASMR
>Sana KIA
>Bea gay child
>Kronii prego with Gen4
>Moom

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>>54278320
Kronii is a known infiltrator who has a self-admitted habit of purposefully entering niche spaces she disapproves of to be a troll. She’s been doing it for years, ever since the AOL chatroom days. Hololive was her biggest fish yet

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>>54284673
i won't disagree with the laziness, which we see especially from kronii, ame, and ina, but do you want the girls to burnout for the sake of your entertainment? i would say that kaela is a fringe case, but it will physically smash her if she isn't careful.
>>54285037
>Fauna tree
>Sana who?
>Bae pp
>Kronii x Vesper
>Moom

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>>54281731
the best way to plan for retirement is to save money by not spending money on vacations / flights every other fucking month

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>>54285738
aside from the flights that she needs to take, it's not like it's every other month. that's too much of an exaggeration. but she does spend way too much, and it doesn't help that she lives in the EU. personally, i think her biggest money sinks are the two cats and the apartment.

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>>54278685
>I'm not your friend
This is the dumbest shit ever. Her goal is to play mommy to your fantasies or get you all stimulated, not be GFE.
>>54278839
That's fair and I don't disrespect her for wanting to advance her career in other places. This gig only lasts so long. She was too willing to poke the bear for no particular reason other than to do so and instantly backpeddled when it showed on her bottom line. While she didn't totally reverse, she cooled down a lot in comparison to before all the drama.
>>54279372
It's stupid to be mad about what-ifs. Orchschizo was the ultimate form of that jealousy/anger and everyone (other than a few other Kiara-anti's) had a lot of fun making fun of her. Things sometimes don't work out, and while I do wish the past were different, it won't change so there's no use in crying over spilled milk.
>>54279501
Lol, you're retarded. Jist because you don't like what I wrote about Kronii doesn't mean you have to sit here and seethe. Feel free to give me your interpertations of council instead of sitting here being mad.

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>>54285857
It's funny how people treat her flights to Japan as 'vacation'. Hell, the Maldieves trip was half vacation half work given that she went with Reine, they streamed while there, both did thing for themselves AND to build up off collab stories for their future streams.

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I don't like anglophonic vtubers
that being said Fauna is kinda funny

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>>54275863
Bae has ended up becoming the biggest hit in the long run because of her passion of the idol grind combined with her insane love for her fans so I'd expect to see more girls like that in EN3

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>>54285154
Is this narcissism?
>>54284953
Is this a meme, or?
I swear bourgois spawn can just coast trough life in Lalaland and always land on their feet just from knowing theres a cushy buffer there.

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>>54275863
the takeaway is that Hololive really likes CLAMP and is a big fan of QUALITY

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>>54280046
Warning: autism ahead.

NTA and also not Connor, but here's my issue with NOT: they don't have a legacy at all, or at least not a legacy that can serve as an example for Advent to reproduce or try to overcome.
You see, Hololive is undeniably the biggest, most famous vtuber agency, the one that sits on the golden throne and everyone tries to be in its graces or they try and push it off from there. Anyone, who gets in, even the least watched indonesian members, are very well off at the very least and the top are most certainly set for a life by now. The reason for that is that there's always something going on in Hololive, something that leaves a legacy behind. Be it a concert, a birthday 3D, new music release, a gaming tournament, some insane stream idea, sufferkino content, or a collab never seen before, you can follow the box and you'll be able to say: "I was there when X happened and it was glorious". And the best thing is that for many of these events, the talents themselves come up with the ideas and they have a vision on how they want things to happen, without the unpleasant odor of a soulless corporate director sweating behind the talents.
And here comes the problem: Fauna, Mumei and Kronii are merely passengers on the hype train and they never, ever take the lead. Sure, they have decent regular content, especially Fauna is in high regard with that, but it's never something that makes them, or Hololive itself stand out. Compare them to Myth: Gura has the largest channel by far and her merch sells an insane amount, she's an insane asset to the brand. Mori, as much as I don't like her content, has sat down on her ass and fucking grinded out a major label contract and has more original songs to her name than anyone else in the company, with well-known artists and connections that guarantee the continued interest towards her. She collabed with One Piece, one of the biggest media brands in the entire world, for fuck's sake. Ame, when the coof lockdown took away Myth's opportunity to have proper 3D content, took matters into her hand and created an alternative, which slowly improved, to the point where she has her own 3D mocap studio she built by her own hands. Kiara, despite being the least popular member of her branch, has very memorable songs to her name, is working on an album, has dreams of making a sololive one day, has one of the longest running shows in Hololive to her name, an invaluable asset whenever a cross-branch representative is needed and responsible for half of the entire branch's collabs alone. Ina's presence has motivated countless artists to improve and don't give up their ambitions, even if she herself has not much ambition, while also proving that you can be family friendly and still entertaining and nobody has to hide parts of her content if one wants to show her off. In comparision to that, while Bae tries to also have her own impact with more or less success, the rest just sit on their thumbs and stream in a cozy fashion. If that's all your ambition, you really don't need to join Hololive, many indies and other corpo members make a good living doing just that. Sure, you could argue that they have made many highlights and memes that have stuck around, but the amount of work they put into those don't even come close to what was needed for the abovementioned feats.
And the worst part is that they don't even have ambitions to change that. Kronii had her voice acting ambitions, on which she never capitalized. Mumei still has stage fright whenever she has to sing in front of an audience, and Fauna is deathly afraid of branching outside of her gen, to the point where her two year anniversary is nearing and she still lacks many one on one collabs with Myth members. We're talking about five talents in two years, not much. Seeing that stagnation just leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, even if I enjoy some of their content, and I don't even mind Kronii collabing with Tempus members, for instance.

TL;DR: they barely create anything memorable and Hololive is not about just streaming video games like they have been doing for two years.

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>>54275863
Nepotism for EN is bad and go Mori go broke

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>>54275863
Council will be remembered as Fauna's gen. The entire group just feels like supporting cast when combined with Fauna. Moom being akin to Fauna's sweet sister, Kronii being the one Fauna can legally bully and Bae being the annoying little sister that everyone just has to deal with being around. This gen wasn't made exactly for Fauna, but that's just how things turned out. There's literally no reason to watch any of them unless Fauna is on the screen alongside them.

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>>54275863
Sana and Kronii were unironically the only ones worth watching, but they barely streamed.

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>>54275863
Fauna is the definition of a good streamer
Mumei streams are boring as fuck if shes not collabing, but she was born to be a lead singer idol.
The other three belong to the dumpster.

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>>54276751
Yet she’s still the weakest council and contender for least popular EN

Actually pretty funny

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>>54292665
NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMBERS
EVERYTHING HAS TO BE NUMBERS

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>>54275863
you need a video on your channel before subscriber flood or youtube assfucks you

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>>54291744
Nobody asked for a sapling's opinion. Now get in the woodchipper.

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>>54294127
Hololive is a business. Numbers matter. Cope and seethe.

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>>54275863
Troons ruin everything.

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>>54275863
Tumblr

Unironically very bad tumblr fans. Sana was an okay ninty streamer but nothing more. Kronii gets better when more unhinged but she blew a ton of respect after THAT stream. Baelz is such a mixed bag that I wish she didn't get the mating press meme stapled to her. Fauna and Mumei are the only two great talents here. overall its a mixed bag.

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>>54291744
Whenever Fauna's not on the stream, all the other characters should be saying, "Where's Fauna?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-6F1O6RcYY

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>>54278976
Connor should stay in his lane of sucking ironlung's clit.

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>>54283748
Anon the only spark here is your desire to have sex with them

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>>54283748
The issue with male vtubers is that they have two fucking paths: fujobait, or garbage humor. There is zero middle ground

I think sana's biggest issue was that she didn't apply herself at all. She thought she could coast along and nobody would care. Problem is that she had to do something. Then she went into a marathon of pokemon, breaks, and then just didn't find a groove. It happens but you have to apply yourself when you're talented. Someone can have all the tools at their disposal but if they have garbage work ethic, then why bother owning those tools? Kronii can be a nutcase and a half, but she's entertaining because she knows that sweet spot.

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>>54275863
I'm an idolfag so I only really like Bae from Council

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>>54275863
Made a fat fuck in nijiEN seethe for years

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>>54275863
Being cute anime girls doesn't cut it anymore when the vtuber market is oversaturated. They either need a strong group dynamic that gets viewers invested or use Hololive's brand to pull together resources for bigger project. Also we need more otaku/hags who are more knowledgeable so they can carry interesting topics without pretending to be stupid for easy attention.

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>>54275863
Their biggest legacy is the impact they made on my porn folder.

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Mythfags have been seething and shitting their pants now that EN3 is around the corner. CouncilRyS has always been the more entertaining and cuter gen. If EN3 is more like them then holoEN will heal.

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>>54278320
Bae is zoomer supreme and she's ok though. I mean she streams everyday each February lol

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>>54275863
Revived my interest in holoEN.

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>>54276578
This, unless >>54276497 applies

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>>54278320
>Takeaway is that you should always hire Christmas Cakes or older. They've settled down to a degree, know what they want in life, and are willing to work hard for the oppertunity to either get a fanbase to entertain or make money
All true. Plus there's a better chance that they'll have a well-developed cultural background and interesting/unique taste, like Korone

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>>54275863
No more nepo hires. Clearly establish everyone's expectations from the start as to how much parasociality will be tolerated by the talent.

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>>54275863
That you can just say "back hort" and coast for a year

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>>54277285
This, look at korone's description
don't remember, but it's something like
>hello! I'm a dog wan wan yubi choudai!
and her design is simple, iconic, feminine, easy on the eye, easy on the soul, nice, pretty colors, fluffy, carefree and cute, and she embodies these qualities perfectly - just the thing a tired man needs after a long day, no pretentious bullshit
and then we have this out of touch donut steel shit
>duuuur.... I'm le keper of TIEM! holds up le FORK Xdddddddddd uuurppp... duuuuhh.... I am le time.. santa maria... glug glug glug... i le nature.. I'm le death lmmaaooo....
shut the fuck up

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>>54299381
She's kept sane and with a semblance of maturity by living under her parents still. I'm assuming bailing at the first opportunity is what leads to confusion and menhera in a lot of zoomies.

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>>54275863
jannies working overtime

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>>54276045
>ESL calling out other ESLs to try to fit in

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>>54275863
Don't hire Ina's friends or koreans in general.

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>>54302159
>hello! I'm a dog wan wan yubi choudai!
Korone has deep bakery lore. Do your fucking reps.

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No breaks, no vacations, stream regularly (20hrs per week at the very least) for at least the whole first year, also no more koreans but we already know that they fucked up that one already.

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>>54275863
Fauna and Moom joined Gura to form the best EN subgroup

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>>54275972
Why are saplings so delusional?

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>>54275863
That english vtubing can never work.

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>>54291744
Nobody knows who fauna is outside of /vt/, Council's faces are Kronii and Mumei for different reasons. Bae is even more of a literal who.

Saplings really, really need to take their meds. Faufau might be good but she's not that good and that's fine.

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Council gave me an oshi after Myth failed to do so (although I enjoyed the trinity very much), so it'll always be a special gen for me.

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>>54275863
its mindboggling to me how someone with a personality as nasty as Kronii's even got past the first stage of the audition process. Glad there has been a shake-up in EN management since

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>>54291687
None of the shit Myth members have done, except Mori with her music, have made much of an impact on their popularity
Myth is popular because they were the first HoloEN branch at the peak of the vtuber boom, that's it, that's why the have the mindshare, not because of the efforts of their talents
The most popular Myths are Gura and Ina, and they do exactly what Council does, stream games and not put much effort in
Gura barely even streams

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>>54275972
She's not your friend

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>>54306259
>Everyone does nothing but praise Kronii for being kindness personified unprompted for the past 2 years

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>>54306259
Kronii was a nepohire, like Sana and Baelz.

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>>54306750
There's a difference between sucking up to your coworkers vs positively interacting with your chat hivemind.

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>>54306259
how is Kronii nasty

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>>54278839
Of course it didn't work, she follows the Ben Stein school of voice acting but isn't witty enough to make it work.

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They were successful. If they weren't, there wouldn't be a gen 3.

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>>54306969
lemao sure random incel. and your oshi wouldn't even touch you with a 10 foot pole. while bringing up kronii every chance she gets. all of council has kronii rent free in their minds and that's why she's always the center of topic or discussion just like in their last full collab. but oops you don't watch streams

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>>54275863
They lost at least one big talent because of Sana's design.

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>>54275863
>What are the takeaways from the Council experiment?
The whole lore thing is good for introductory purposes, but it wears out as time moves along.

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they carried holoen for the last year.

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>>54275863
Canadian Koreans can be other things besides boring. They can be boring AND shitty people.

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>>54309171
Go home, Kronii. Don't you have a sandwich to drink?

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>>54309548
Moom and sometimes Fauna has fun with it, the other two already forgot their lore.

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>>54275863
>What are the takeaways from the Council experiment?
CGDCT is the best type of vtuber content
Never add males to a group of cute girls
Don't let Ina nepohire

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>>54278685

Rat is literally the least popular one after Sana despite streaming a lot because while she can sing and dance she's an insanely boring streamer and her knowledge about anime and internet is on par with a 14y old.

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>>54310348
And that everyone just sees the clips of "WOAH BAELZ DOESN'T KNOW A GAMECUBE???"

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>>54310348
Bae's honestly the pick specifically if you want the idol journey in its rawest form. She lacks a lot of the pure charisma that carries streamers like Gura or Fauna who can fill dead air with no assistance at all because of how naturally entertaining they are to listen to but if you're an idolfag nothing's more satisfying than seeing Bae's persistent passion for what she does and mad idol reps grind combined while not sacrificing any time and love for her fans

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>>54310684
>if you want the zoomer journey
Fixed that for you.

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>>54275863
Fauna - pretty great for viewers, but unable to keep up the illusion or hide how fake the parasocial relationship is.
Sana - don't know why she even apply, but her smol models are a good legacy.
Bae - she is honest about homos from the start, she would be great as a normal youtuber, not a vtuber.
Kronii - don't understand her job, don't know how to handle drama, unable to make clear decision. she was always the funny one, she still is, but after the drama it broke the illusion of just a fun loving vtuber and now her actions can come across as fake.
Mumei - play her character really well, it is like she worked as a character at Disneyland before.

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>>54310905
Kronii is a case of trying to be a "blank" but having everything all at once. She is a wild card and changes on a moments notice. I'd argue she's EN's most entertaining because you have no fucking clue what you will get.

Sana just expected to coast off the name. She (unfortunately) made Connor right. Sana is the best example of a nepotism hire not working

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>>54285961
>This is the dumbest shit ever. Her goal is to play mommy to your fantasies or get you all stimulated, not be GFE.
She literally did a date stream for her birthday where she kissed the camera. It's like you retards don't even know who you're watching. Do you kiss your mom on the lips?

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>>54306969
Imagine actually trying to play the "everyone in Council was sucking up to Kronii and were forced she's nice" card unironically

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>>54311632
Nowhere near Bae's GFE