Fubuki

[Anonymous No.]

Can we still take her word? Should we still put faith in her? Or has she gone to the darkside?

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>>5386285
Her words had no power from the beginning dipshit
If she ever intentionally badmouthed her employer or damaged their rep in anyway, it'd be professional suicide

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>>5386285
>Cover gave Coco one month to say good bye.
Yeah, unlike you schizos want to believe Cover isn't a black company

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>>5386358
If they booted her out the door immediately I wouldn't put it past tatsunokos to kyoani hololive's office
Frankly I hope they still do

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>>5386285
If anything coco's bday stream and last night's reddit review show that Cover is not firing her and that the creative differences reasoning is correct. If you really believe holo is a black company how the fuck did they approve weather hackers.

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>>5386285
I don't think she blames management for the fact that they have to reign people in because susan and the youtube jews took notice of hololive and are targeting them heavily when they break any rules with shadowbans and demonitization.
Fubuki is actually mature and takes her job seriously.

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>>5386285
STOP MAKING THIS SAME THREAD EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU NIGGER

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>>5386345
Then why are we still watching hololive?

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>>5386285
SHE IS THE SHAREHOLDER

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>>5386285
You can always trust Friend. She's never been snakey or underhanded. She's always stuck up for her coworkers. If Friend says something you can always take it in good faith.

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>>5386433
They wanted her to keep quiet until the final day and delete her videos. It's only because of Coco's negotiating that we got the "good end" that we did.

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>>5386659
Good little drone you are.

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>>5386285
I smell chink hands.

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>>5386716
You got any proof of that?

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>>5386854
Thank you, I try.

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>>5386882
Just trust me, bro.

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>>5386854
Anyone that posts reddit statements like this either live with their parents and/or studied feminist basket weaving and is now butthurt that they have to work shit jobs to pay off loans.

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>>5386285
She was always just Yagoo's mouthpiece, anyone that trusted her is retarded.

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>>5387063
Your first line sounds pretty reddit, bro. Not gonna read the rest and suggest you go back.

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>>5387133

damn you got nothing better to do than call random hololive girls someone's mouthpiece

touch grass and stop masturbating to /vt/ retards posting some random schizo shit about anime girls online

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>>5386871
What has the bugmen got to do with this? I just ask because I think Friend is wholesome but I despise Cover for what they did to Aloe, Haachama and Coco.

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>>5387478
Aloe literally decided to quit by her own volition false flag chama. In fact the doors were open for her for a while. You'd know this if you lurked. I don't know if you're a faggot talking out of his ass or a Zhang that's falseflagging.

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>>5386285
she were very happy with coco the other day it was very sus

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>>5386438
> a company takes IP away from the actual creative talent
> it's still not obvious to some that this is a black company
were you born like this?

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>>5387860
It's not her IP. Company owns whatever employees create on business hours. This is standard globally.

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>>5387133
Yagoo is Yagoo's mouthpiece.

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>>5387860
>Company gives you an opportunity to earn a shitload of money playing video games
>you agree to their terms and sign the contract
>WHAT THE FUCK THEY CAN'T JUST TAKE AWAY THE PROPERTY THEY GAVE ME FOR FREE?!
Redditor did you ever work for a living? That's literally how every job works. You don't get to fucking take your desk or fucking starbucks expresso machine when you quit your job.
If you don't like the terms you could always not have accepted them.

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>>5388006
To play devil's advocate here, Hololive corporate culture was very, VERY different when she signed up

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>>5387063
>studied feminist basket weaving
Dude, you are killing it with these lines. Where the hell did you get this term from and is this an actual subject that is taught in a college?

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>>5386285
Why can't you trust what you saw with your own eyes over months and months? Why can't you trust the random chink announcement on their main website you saw yourself? Why can't you trust that random chink Diablo immortal stream you saw recently? Why do you cope?
>>5386585
>we
There's that word again

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>>5388082
Doesn't change the fact that all the Holos agreed to using an avatar that is cover's property (except maybe Suisei) and that if they didn't like it they could have gone indie and paid for their own avatar. But we all know that nobody would have watched them if they went down that route.

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>>5386285
She's a furry so I stopped watching her.

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>>5388171
Yes, this is true. Best case scenario is a chuuba signing up, using brand association to build a fanbase, then graduating and going indie or using a personal account

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>>5386585
movie?

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>>5387928
>This is standard globally.
not too long ago, feudalism and slavery was the standard globally

>>5388006
>You don't get to fucking take your desk or fucking starbucks expresso machine
your comparison of material items that the emloyee didn't produce to pieces of information created entirely by the employee is pointless.

> If you don't like the terms you could always not have accepted them.
Ah yes, and starved to death.

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>>5389015
>to pieces of information created entirely by the employee is pointless.
"Kiryu Coco" was always a Cover product. They created the character, they commissioned the artist and they produced the rigging.

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>>5389015
>Ah yes, and starved to death.
They could have taken another job.

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>>5389015
>your comparison of material items that the emloyee didn't produce to pieces of information created entirely by the employee is pointless.
Cover commissioned and paid for the avatars you dumb fucking faggot. Why don't you go back to twitter and go circlejerk with the other faggots that live with their parents and never had a real job.
>Ah yes, and starved to death.
If you have real skills you get to pick and choose your job because of demand. So nobody is forcing you to agreeing to shit you're not okay with. But I can imagine a twitter faggot like you never experienced this. Because all twitter users do is complain and whine.

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>>5389238
Yet without the personality behind it, it is worthless. They will never use it again unlike a desk or espresso machine

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>>5387063
Hey fuck off bro I'm just intern at Cover trying to do damage control.

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>>5387600
>the doors were open for her for a while
seriously?

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>>5386285
Sorry I trast only my wife.

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>>538938
Yes and cover also knows this. It's part of the job description both parties agreed to you dumb faggot. Both parties had the option of not agreeing to it. Is it that hard to get that through your retarded skull, unemployed-chama?
>>5389483
She said so on her previous Identity's fanbox account.

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>>5389388
Yes and cover also knows this. It's part of the job description both parties agreed to you dumb faggot. Both parties had the option of not agreeing to it. Is it that hard to get that through your retarded skull, unemployed-chama?
>>5389483
She said so on her previous Identity's fanbox account.

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>>5389388
By allowing Coco to keep the rig, you give her impunity to damage the brand both intentionally and unintentionally. It's safer for both parties for Coco to get a new name and rig.

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>>5389238
the rig was provided by Cover, but the added worth, which is incomparably higher than the rig, was created by the talent. If they just charged her for the rig at retirement, it would be fair, but obviously, that's not the case. Not only do they rob her of the IP she gave worth to, they won't even allow her to take credit for her own work.

>>5389329
>They could have taken another job.
Another job at another black company, of course! Don't forget:
>>5388006
>That's literally how every job works.

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>>5389510
TRASH nene

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>>5389597
>It's safer for both parties
for both, really?

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2 important thing to note:
1. Fubuki's statement was specifically in the context of "I won't say things are fine if they aren't fine. I'll just quit if they try and force me to lie", not a general "if Cover does anything bad ever I'll jump ship" like some people seem to think.
2. Remember who has a grudge against Fubuki and already considerers her a "traitor" when you see people badmouthing her.

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>>5389669
Yes. Keeping the rig keeps her (more) open to retarded console-war antis who would be mad at her for damaging Cover's and Hololive's image, regardless of how absolutely stupid a reason that is to be mad.

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>>5389624
Jesus Christ, just fucking kill yourself already you fucking commie.
>the rig was provided by Cover, but the added worth, which is incomparably higher than the rig, was created by the talent.
This same fucking retarded argument can be applied to Hololive's brand recognition which they would be nothing without. They could always have not taken the job and paid for their own avatar as an indie. In fact if they don't like that Youtube is taking a cut they could also start their own fucking streaming service. Tell me why they didn't do that if Cover literally works them like slaves?
Why don't you fucking start your own vtuber company and commission artists and riggers for avatars and then hand them out to chuubas for free with no commitment needed from their part. Your fucking business model sounds genius, I'm sure both you and the chuubas will be rich in no time.

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>>5389597
The rights to existing IPs get sold to other companies all the time, does the original holder have their reputation damaged whenever the new company fucks up? No

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>>5389820
Don't bother. That guy never started a business.

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>>5389795
>(more) open to retarded console-war antis
there is no "more" about this, she's always as open to haters as her mod will let her to be. And Cover not only did nothing to protect Coco from haters, they even modded the very haters in Coco's channel. If this doesn't make it abundantly clear that Cover doesn't care to protect the talents then I don't know what will.

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>>5389828
>does the original holder have their reputation damaged whenever the new company fucks up?
Yes. Especially when the IP is part of a greater whole the public will associate it with.

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>>5389828
True, but the name and brand of Kiryu Coco is inextricably tied to Hololive whether through clips and sheer reputation of her being "the face of Hololive" or whatever. Absolutely nothing can change that.

>>5389989
You're absolutely right about Cover's limp-wristed protection. The problem is opening her to yet another group of Antis that a pro-Cover, and providing another avenue of false flags and justification for her current antis.

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Here we have Cover shills from R*ddit who never had a job before

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>>5390005
How do you quantify the costs of said damage? The chink arc cost cover more than just about anything coco could do with the rights to the model, seems to me they could recoup some small amount of that by selling her the rights if they wanted. The satisfaction of seeing the chinks seethe from coco actually continuing to exist alone would make it worth it, but alas. For what it's worth I don't pretend to know more about the costs than cover itself, just curious

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>>5389820
>Jesus Christ, just fucking kill yourself already you fucking commie.
you seem to be really upset by something. perhaps you should get back to wageslaving so you can provide your Yagod with more supacha money while he sells your oshi's head to the chinese. You do like your oshi's head sold to communists, don't you? It's a very sound business decision, I'm sure you understand.

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>>5390307
I haven't worked in a decade. I'm a landlord now after having invested my wages.
Also the Zhang part is pure speculation on your part until it happens.

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>>5390076
>The problem is opening her to yet another group of Antis
I think you have cause and effect mixed up here. These people don't appear because of justifications, they find justifications because they want to hate. If it's not justified by this, it will be justified by that.

Besides, there's no bad publicity in celebrity business. Yes, it can get tough, but this, unlike losing all that you've worked hard to create, is part of the job.

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>>5390285
0 loss from a clean break is objectively better than any amount of loss, big or small. The same way, no amount of money they could extract from Coco's roomates could balance the possible amount of money they could possibly lose in the long term.

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>>5390351
which part is speculation, that she's graduating, or that it happens on the day of 100th anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party?

Why do you defend so blindly and stubbornly a company cooperating with CCP? It's almost as if it's ideological for you.

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>>5390712
Meds

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>>5386285
Fubuki isn't the arbiter of what's good or bad. As long as my oshi stays, I stay. Simple as. Fubuki has always gave me the impression she is a good company man, not the sort of person to trust to give me the truth about cover. That said, cover made me trust them a little more when they just nuked their china branch. They aren't all bad.

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>>5386285
>Saying fuck china with the china paid costume
What a Chad

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>>5386716
Cool fanfiction

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>>5386285
What would Fubuki do without her hololive job? Job security > loyalty in the JP corporate world.

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>>5387138
That was a single sentence, ESL chama

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>>5386285
>implying she was ever honest
If you take her at face value you have to believe she will never get burnt out, or have creative differences, or step on someone's toes. Meaning her views line up exactly with cover's, always will. She's here for the cash.

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No, reminder that this was during a chink broadcast as well, she was also appeasing the chinks.

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>>5386438
you are so fucking dumb.
>why are they allowing EN collabs now?
>why are they not giving a shit about content now?
BECAUSE SHE IS ABOUT TO DIE, ANON. Saving face.

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>>5389015
Oh boy. It's an actual commie that's actually a child with no real-world experience

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Yes, I will trust Fubuki no matter what. She's my oshi, and as long as she stays - I will stay as well.
I fully believe she'll leave if she's ever forced to do something she's not okay with and I fully believe that her presence in Hololive means they're not a black company.
As long as Fubuki's there, I'll have faith in Hololive and Cover as a whole. Simple as.

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>>5386585
Just to suffer

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>>5386974
heh

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>>5386285
Zhangs hating on Fbk, what else is new

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>>5389015
Go live a hippie commune disgusting commie

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>>5386285
Coincidence that the chinks are starting to get uppity to attack fubuki and this kind of thread starts to pop up

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>>5391439
Based

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>someone yells loudly that you can trust them
Fellow westerners, I am not sure I trust anyone like this.

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>>5386285
Yeah, cause Hololive aren't evil or bad here, they're just incompetent in the ways that many business are, Japanese or otherwise.

You can trust Hololive, doesn't mean management will make the right editorial decisions to prevent the more creative talent from feeling stifled and leaving.

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>>5387687
you think she's gonna jump ship?

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>>5386285
Hololive are not an evil company, they are just a dumb company run by people who dont really understand what they've got or why they became successful.

You can still trust FBK, Coco wouldnt be collabing so much with her and saying what good friends they are if she was bullshitting

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>>5400274
>why they become successfull?
By accumulating efforts of 40+ chuubas, staff, managements over the years?
God i hope coco bring all you retards with her when she quits. Reading all thesw threads making it as if the friking efforts of all previous gen are nothing.
Fucking newfags

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>>5386285
>trusting someone with white hair
>ever

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>>5400537
meds

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>>5400537
Without Coco Cover wouldn't even exist anymore

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>>5401715
Without Aqua

Coco is irrelevant

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>>5400537
>the efforts of the previous gens

You mean like the ASMR they arent allowed to do in the same way anymore?
The swimsuit streams they arent allowed to do anymore?
Members like Aki who would have already graduated?

fucking pretentious newfag

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>>5401844
Without Coco EN wouldn't even be a thing

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>>5386585
90% of the posters in this board don't even watch VTubers.

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>>5401983
And?

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>>5388006
To the eternal mutt everything should be run like a McDonald's. Truly the ideal kike cattle

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>>5401715
>>5401983
delusional

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>>5386285
paranoid delusions, anon. when you take to distrusting everyone for no reason, that's paranoid delusions. take your meds.
>>5386358
>gave her a month to say goodbye
>she handed in her letter of resignation three months ago
do your reps, retard.
>>5386716
meds.
>>5386854
ok zhang.
>>5386882
of course not.
>>5387133
everyone is yagoo's mouthpiece. even me. even you!
>>5387478
>what they did to aloe, haato, and coco
so...
>weren't able to keep her psycho stepdad away from her
>told her she shouldn't try to get youtube to ban her or piss off the japanese government
>didn't let her be twitch-thot tier bottom of the barrel vulgarity and drug jokes and all the shit you hate vshitshow for
you have problems.
>>5387600
>of her own volition
insofar as having a family member threatening physical harm if you don't amounts to "of one's own volition". KUSODAD HATE.
>>5387860
> company takes IP away from the actual creative talent
and whom exactly are you talking about?
>>5388168
why are you retarded? why do you think blizzard is chinese? blizzard owns diablo shitmortal regardless of who developed it. they're faggots who bow to chinks, but they aren't actual chinks.
>>5389015
>>5389388
>>5389624
>information created by the employee
is very rarely not company property from the start. my dad is responsible for "indiglo" watch lights on timex watches, but he gets nothing for their continued use of his design, decades after leaving the company.
>worthless without the personality behind it
strictly speaking nothing stops them from replacing the actor except having respect for the employee and the work that was done. which... as you'd notice if you weren't retarded, is the case, as they're not even planning to pull the channel.
>but the added worth!
that's not how being an actor works. the IP is theirs, and it has nothing to do with the "added worth" of the actor. when an actor retires, either their character is scrapped, or they get replaced. they don't get to keep the role no matter how long they filled it.
>at another black company
do you think every company is one, perhaps? because it sounds like it.
>>5389828
>sold to other companies
>companies
spot the problem with your argument.
>>5389989
incompetance is not malice. and exactly as >>5390076 points out, the problem is obvious in having her take their character with her.
>>5390285
how do businesses ever quantify the cost of damage? how does the RIAA justify taking someone to court for pirating one song, demanding damages greater than what one person will spend on music in their entire life?
>>5390444
you're failing to understand cause and effect yourself.
>>5390712
she's graduating via her own decision to quit. and likely set the date herself. take your meds.
>>5391062
fubuki being fubuki, she'd pull the same followers elsewhere. she brought a lot of them when she joined as it was.
>>5391095
m e d s

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>>5402087
honestly the board itself is far more entertaining than watching anime girls play games

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>>5386285
FBK doesn't run Cover and she probably regrets saying this.
If you trust or have faith in Cover then you're the exact kind of customer they want.

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>>5407126
I trust and have faith in Fubuki, not Cover.
I only trust in Cover by proxy. If Fubuki ever leaves, then I'll stop trusting them and turn my back on them as well. Simple as.

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>>5386433
They won’t do anything.
It’s not like Coco is going to be executed publicly by Yagoo himself with a guillotine.

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>>5408487
There might be staff members here, don't give them ideas

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Don't trust any corporation, especially a nip one.
They all exist to make money, Cover should be thankful all their hires are broken people.

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>>5386285
I don't blame FBK. I blame Cover.

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>>5386285
Hey look, ANOTHER “Believe in Fubuki who believe in Hololive” thread. Fuck off. You can’t hold her accountable for something that she said out of her ass long time ago. When will faggots stop making this kind of thread?

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>>5388006
Dronies really live like this and think it's okay...

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>>5386585
I stoped watching any thing from cover when they started with their shitty practices back in feburary, i liked them when they were indie, but now they got big and now their so full of themselves.


Its like eliene puting so much effort and even giving her own channel to mirai akari, only to get stabed in the back once akari got popular

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>>5386596
I love that by rrat took so deep roots that people regularly repost it.

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>>5426753
>i liked them when they were indie
What did he mean by this?

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>>5386285
I will trust Fubuki over a juvenile edgelord who's concerntrolling any day of the week.
As long as Fubuki stays I will stay.
Simple as.

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>>5389015
>he's a communist
leave /vt/, and don't forget to take your dilator

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>>5386285
If FBK has turned into a corporate drone, Coco wouldn't have agreed to collab with her that much. Hasn't FBK been taking part in at least half of Coco's "big" collab (more than one-on-one) since the graduation announcement?

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>>5426914
Probably meant when they were still chink's favorite pet on Bilibili. That must have been a zhang.

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What I don't understand about this whole process is that, while there are people in this thread arguing that the company owns everything, we also know that the talents pay for everything related to their original songs.

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>>5429089
Hololive is the McDonald's of vtubing, the company just gives a brand license, nothing more

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>>5429089
Actually they can get cover to pay for their songs it just takes forever to convince the suits that its a good investment so its just way faster and less of a hassle to pay yourself. Besides cover pays for the projects and songs they want the girls to make. It would be retarded to pay willy nilly for their personal ones tho

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>>5427249
stay there chinlet

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>>5386285
Fubuki is the daughter of a general that made the Nanjing Massacre occur, she despises chinese people and joined hololive to protect it from them.

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>>5389662
DONT SAY THAT!!!!

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>>5389015
>not too long ago, feudalism and slavery was the standard globally
Based.

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>>5429705
Fubuki is Ayame's sister?!?

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>>5429802
Ayame hates koreans not the chinese

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>>5429958
Show me a Japanese nationalist that likes the chinks.

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>>5429969

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>>5429969
yagoo

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>>5430038
>>5429969
Yagoo is not a Japanese nationalist, that is why him and his brother riku tazumi grew apart from eachother and changed names. Riku focused on japan, Motoaki focused on the rest of the world. This is also why Aqua slapped Yagoo, because he disagreed with her nationalistic views.

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>>5430200
But in front of who did she slapped him?

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>>5430200
what about motsuaki

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>>5425431
What an entrepreneur, where can I like this?

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>>5393356
But YAGOO did nothing wrong

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>>5430601
anemachi of course

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>>5429705
fubuki is the voice actor of rimuru tempest the slime she wants to be as rich as marine i mean ikue otani aka pikachu

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>>5387600
nice ratt Zhang

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>>5429532
No, they pay for it out of pocket themselves. Marine straight up told us this

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>>5430028
That’s on him he set the bar too low

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>>5402197
if you think hololive recline post lockdowns are bad, it would've been precipitous without EN's introduction.

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>>5443595
So did Matsuri. She literally stated that they have to pay for songs outside of the ones the company plans for them retard.